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Shockeyitus
02-23-2012, 02:23 PM
Round 1 -</P>


Chandler Jones - DE, Syracuse.... with or without Osi the Giants defense is built on getting presser on the QB. Jones has the ability to play like JPP. Osi has one year left, Kiwi has one year left and Tuck is approaching 30. Need to revamp!</P>


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Round 2 -</P>


Kevin Zeitler, OG - Wisconsin.... Perfect fit for the Giants O-line. Nasty player that reminds of Seubert, but more athletic. Boothe was serviceable and Petrus is mediocure. Zeitler will be an instance upgrade and starter. </P>


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Round 3 - </P>


Ladarius Green, TE - Louisiana-Lafayette....Athletic Freak! He needs to improve on his blocking, but the guy is an instant weapon in the passing game. A lot of TE's coming out of college need to "improve" on their blocking, but the Giants coaching staff has shown to work wonders with player development.</P>


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Round 4 -</P>


DeQuan Menzie, CB - Alabama.... under the radar guy that played phenomenal all season. A lot of teams were timid to throw at Kirkpatrick and for good reason. Which means that Menzie was working a lot. He did not disappoint and if you watch the National Championship game, he out played Kirkpatrick. He is an excellent run defender and the Giants need CB help.</P>


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Round 5 -</P>


DeVier Posey, WR - Ohio State... super talented kid that was suspended for half the season. He is a flat out game changer and if he played all year, we would be talking about him in rounds 1-2. MM is most likely gone, Barden is done and Jernigan will be a nice player, but lets get a guy that can push him.</P>


http://nflmocks.com/files/2011/11/devier-posey.jpg</P>


Round 6 -</P>


Kirk Cousins, QB - Michigan State.... smart, tough Big Ten QB. Led Michigan State to a fantastic season. He will be a great addition to the Giants QB position and will pick up the playbook with ease. Carr has been a nice back up, but he is going to be 34 and for us to get a youthful guy in place, would be a smart option. </P>


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Round 7 - uggghhh</P>


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BlueSanta
02-23-2012, 03:43 PM
Cant really complain about the guys you have, although I am not sure i agree with where you have them.

I would be Shocked is Cousins lasts till that late. He had a good senior bowl week, too good to fall that low. I also think last year showed me that teams who need a Qb will reach for them. His game isnt perfect but he has a huge arm and the coaches like him. I think someone will take a chance on him prior to the 6th round, especially the last pick in the 6th.

Menzie is a good player. I agree he is underrated. My concern with him is his speed. He has a torn achillies in his past and has had repeated hamstring tweaks as well. I want to see him run well at the combine. People with torn achillies in thier past sometimes have a hard time recovering former speed and quickness. If not for that achillies injury, he would be talked about a lot more than he has been. Ive read a couple people question if he can break 4.6 40. If he can show them wrong, I would love him on this team.

Green is a guy who's stock is flying up this offseason according to a lot of people. However, he is still very small framed to play tight to the line(6'6 237). I think he will need to add 20lbs before he fits with what we do here. So it isnt just about learning to block, it is also about getting stronger and more physical. Hopefully he comes into the combine with a bit more bulk cause there is a lot to like about him both on and off the field.

Shockeyitus
02-23-2012, 03:57 PM
Dont be surprised if the Giants grab two TE's in this draft. A nice receiving threat with Green and a guy like....</P>


Kevin Kroger, TE - Michigan...solid all around game. </P>


Matt Veldman, TE - North Dakota State.... huge target that wasnt much of a receiving threat in college. Could be a sleeper late. </P>

BlueSanta
02-23-2012, 04:01 PM
Dont be surprised if the Giants grab two TE's in this draft. A nice receiving threat with Green and a guy like....</p>


Kevin Kroger, TE - Michigan...solid all around game. </p>


Matt Veldman, TE - North Dakota State.... huge target that wasnt much of a receiving threat in college. Could be a sleeper late. </p>

I agree 2 TE's is a very real possibility. Especially if they arent able to get any vets in FA.

I would add Cory Harkey to the list of guys we will examine. He is the best end line blocking TE prospect this year in my opinion. At 6'4 265 he is ready to line up tight to the line the second he is drafted. I also think at UCLA he was underused as a reciever and his upside in this area is undervalued.He is very athletic. He was also a very good student, which is important for TEs in our offense because they must understand not only complicated blocking schemes but also a complicated route running system. I dont expect a great 40 out of him come the combine, but I still see us having an eye on him.

Spizi
02-23-2012, 04:42 PM
Green is a guy who's stock is flying up this offseason according to a lot of people. However, he is still very small framed to play tight to the line(6'6 237). I think he will need to add 20lbs before he fits with what we do here. So it isnt just about learning to block, it is also about getting stronger and more physical. Hopefully he comes into the combine with a bit more bulk cause there is a lot to like about him both on and off the field.


he just weighed in at 238 :/ still he is a freak specimen with those 34 1/2 inch arms!

Shockeyitus
02-23-2012, 04:58 PM
Dont be surprised if the Giants grab two TE's in this draft. A nice receiving threat with Green and a guy like....</P>


Kevin Kroger, TE - Michigan...solid all around game. </P>


Matt Veldman, TE - North Dakota State.... huge target that wasnt much of a receiving threat in college. Could be a sleeper late. </P>




I agree 2 TE's is a very real possibility. Especially if they arent able to get any vets in FA.

I would add Cory Harkey to the list of guys we will examine. He is the best end line blocking TE prospect this year in my opinion. At 6'4 265 he is ready to line up tight to the line the second he is drafted. I also think at UCLA he was underused as a reciever and his upside in this area is undervalued.He is very athletic. He was also a very good student, which is important for TEs in our offense because they must understand not only complicated blocking schemes but also a complicated route running system. I dont expect a great 40 out of him come the combine, but I still see us having an eye on him.
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Agreed! Harkey is a guy that could be a solid all-around pro. Nothing flashy about his game, but UCLA's offense was pathetic. No QB, No Running game and No Offensive line! If he can prove to be a smart kid with decent athletic ability, he could bea quiet option. </P>

nycsportzfan
02-23-2012, 06:00 PM
Cant really complain about the guys you have, although I am not sure i agree with where you have them.

I would be Shocked is Cousins lasts till that late. He had a good senior bowl week, too good to fall that low. I also think last year showed me that teams who need a Qb will reach for them. His game isnt perfect but he has a huge arm and the coaches like him. I think someone will take a chance on him prior to the 6th round, especially the last pick in the 6th.

Menzie is a good player. I agree he is underrated. My concern with him is his speed. He has a torn achillies in his past and has had repeated hamstring tweaks as well. I want to see him run well at the combine. People with torn achillies in thier past sometimes have a hard time recovering former speed and quickness. If not for that achillies injury, he would be talked about a lot more than he has been. Ive read a couple people question if he can break 4.6 40. If he can show them wrong, I would love him on this team.

Green is a guy who's stock is flying up this offseason according to a lot of people. However, he is still very small framed to play tight to the line(6'6 237). I think he will need to add 20lbs before he fits with what we do here. So it isnt just about learning to block, it is also about getting stronger and more physical. Hopefully he comes into the combine with a bit more bulk cause there is a lot to like about him both on and off the field.
Ya, i hope the Giants don't base everything they do with Recieving TE's, on what travis beckum has done.. Beckum is only one player, and there is no telling yet, if hes just a somewhat bust, or if it really was the system.. I love Ladarious Green in the Late rd 3 area, and would actually be very satisfied if he were the pick, especially if were to lose mario manningham, as green should be able to pick up some of the receptions and td's lost with mario.. Plus, we could have a nice 1-2 punch with Ballard and Green if it were to be the case, with balllard serving as the underneath guy and blocker, and Green being the guy who can be a bigmismatch on most lb's and even safety's... Also, we could run some double TE sets in the redzone which would be a nice wrinkle to have...

nycsportzfan
02-23-2012, 06:07 PM
Dont be surprised if the Giants grab two TE's in this draft. A nice receiving threat with Green and a guy like....</P>


Kevin Kroger, TE - Michigan...solid all around game. </P>


Matt Veldman, TE - North Dakota State.... huge target that wasnt much of a receiving threat in college. Could be a sleeper late. </P>




I agree 2 TE's is a very real possibility. Especially if they arent able to get any vets in FA.

I would add Cory Harkey to the list of guys we will examine. He is the best end line blocking TE prospect this year in my opinion. At 6'4 265 he is ready to line up tight to the line the second he is drafted. I also think at UCLA he was underused as a reciever and his upside in this area is undervalued.He is very athletic. He was also a very good student, which is important for TEs in our offense because they must understand not only complicated blocking schemes but also a complicated route running system. I dont expect a great 40 out of him come the combine, but I still see us having an eye on him.
As far as the FA market, i would not be opposed to bringing inVisanthe Shiancoe for a 2yr contract.. U bring in Shiancoe and draft a Ladarious Green, Dwayne Allen, or Fleener, and now the positon is a certain strength... Shiancoe would really bolster our run game, with his great blocking, and i have a feeling, he'd have a career yr recieving with ELI throwing em the ball..</P>


Other TE's i think are certainly intriguing are George Bryan(fits giants mold of Te perfectly), Brian Linthicum(some serious potential in the right system), David Paulson(bigtime effort player, who can catch, and i see some ed ****son in him), and Nick Provo(gotta feeling hes gonna make a team and you'll here about him doing good things down the line)</P>

Shockeyitus
02-24-2012, 01:45 PM
Dont be surprised if the Giants grab two TE's in this draft. A nice receiving threat with Green and a guy like....</P>


Kevin Kroger, TE - Michigan...solid all around game. </P>


Matt Veldman, TE - North Dakota State.... huge target that wasnt much of a receiving threat in college. Could be a sleeper late. </P>




I agree 2 TE's is a very real possibility. Especially if they arent able to get any vets in FA.

I would add Cory Harkey to the list of guys we will examine. He is the best end line blocking TE prospect this year in my opinion. At 6'4 265 he is ready to line up tight to the line the second he is drafted. I also think at UCLA he was underused as a reciever and his upside in this area is undervalued.He is very athletic. He was also a very good student, which is important for TEs in our offense because they must understand not only complicated blocking schemes but also a complicated route running system. I dont expect a great 40 out of him come the combine, but I still see us having an eye on him.
As far as the FA market, i would not be opposed to bringing inVisanthe Shiancoe for a 2yr contract.. U bring in Shiancoe and draft a Ladarious Green, Dwayne Allen, or Fleener, and now the positon is a certain strength... Shiancoe would really bolster our run game, with his great blocking, and i have a feeling, he'd have a career yr recieving with ELI throwing em the ball..</P>


Other TE's i think are certainly intriguing are George Bryan(fits giants mold of Te perfectly), Brian Linthicum(some serious potential in the right system), David Paulson(bigtime effort player, who can catch, and i see some ed ****son in him), and Nick Provo(gotta feeling hes gonna make a team and you'll here about him doing good things down the line)</P>


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I would love to see Shiancoe back in Big Blue... Solid veteran that can provide some stability to our offense. If we grab a guy like Green in round 3, this give him time to learn and develop.</P>


As far as the other options for TE.... Linthicum has been talked about a lot lately. Nick Provo is a guy that i really like out of Syracuse. He catches everything!</P>

critters
02-24-2012, 02:10 PM
Menzie was the best CB at Alabama in 2010. Which seems like it was like 6 months after the torn achiles, which makes me think it wasn't too bad. He beat out a 5 star starter (that was highly touted for great speed) in 2011 to start for what was the top pass defense in the country. I'm also interested in his combine results but getting him in the 4th would be a score. He was only in his second year in the SEC so I think he's just getting better.

gmen0820
02-24-2012, 02:11 PM
I'd rather have Andre Branch in the 1st if we are going DE, or trade back for Vinny Curry.

I like Chandler Jones, but like Vinny Curry, I'd rather draft them a bit further back and pick up an additional 3rd or 4th rounder.

nygsb42champs
02-24-2012, 02:14 PM
No way we take another DE in the first round.

Morehead State
02-24-2012, 02:27 PM
No way we take another DE in the first round.</P>


Thats what they said before we drafted Kiwi.</P>


And then they said it again before we drafted JPP.</P>

nycsportzfan
02-24-2012, 03:12 PM
Dont be surprised if the Giants grab two TE's in this draft. A nice receiving threat with Green and a guy like....</P>


Kevin Kroger, TE - Michigan...solid all around game. </P>


Matt Veldman, TE - North Dakota State.... huge target that wasnt much of a receiving threat in college. Could be a sleeper late. </P>




I agree 2 TE's is a very real possibility. Especially if they arent able to get any vets in FA.

I would add Cory Harkey to the list of guys we will examine. He is the best end line blocking TE prospect this year in my opinion. At 6'4 265 he is ready to line up tight to the line the second he is drafted. I also think at UCLA he was underused as a reciever and his upside in this area is undervalued.He is very athletic. He was also a very good student, which is important for TEs in our offense because they must understand not only complicated blocking schemes but also a complicated route running system. I dont expect a great 40 out of him come the combine, but I still see us having an eye on him.
As far as the FA market, i would not be opposed to bringing inVisanthe Shiancoe for a 2yr contract.. U bring in Shiancoe and draft a Ladarious Green, Dwayne Allen, or Fleener, and now the positon is a certain strength... Shiancoe would really bolster our run game, with his great blocking, and i have a feeling, he'd have a career yr recieving with ELI throwing em the ball..</P>


Other TE's i think are certainly intriguing are George Bryan(fits giants mold of Te perfectly), Brian Linthicum(some serious potential in the right system), David Paulson(bigtime effort player, who can catch, and i see some ed ****son in him), and Nick Provo(gotta feeling hes gonna make a team and you'll here about him doing good things down the line)</P>


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I would love to see Shiancoe back in Big Blue... Solid veteran that can provide some stability to our offense. If we grab a guy like Green in round 3, this give him time to learn and develop.</P>


As far as the other options for TE.... Linthicum has been talked about a lot lately. Nick Provo is a guy that i really like out of Syracuse. He catches everything!</P>


ya, Linthicum has alot of upside/potential, and with a good coaching staff, could end up being the steal of the TE's, and getting him last pick of RD 4 or with a comp rd 4 pick(if we get one), would be a ok with me.. </P>


Provo is kinda like a Bear Pascoe type player in my opinion, so i doubt we draft him, because we all ready have Pascoe, but i certainly like em, and if we did draft em in RD 6-7, i would not mind at all..</P>


I just think people are to quick to judge the development of Travis Beckum as a bust, meaning any "recieving" TE with limited blocking skills is guranteed to bust with us, so don't take em.... Ladarious Green has unlimited upside, and i'm sorry, if u don't go TE in the first couple rds, and hes on the board in RD 3, u gotta consider it.. He seems to have a frame to add weight, and we do got a great TE coach and overall coaching staff, so i'd give em a shot if the value is there in RD 3(assuming hes even there which is no gurantee)..</P>

Shockeyitus
02-24-2012, 05:13 PM
No way we take another DE in the first round.</P>


Osi is 30 and is in the last year of his contract.....he could also be traded</P>


Tuck has two years left on his deal and is approaching 30.....he is always banged up too</P>


Kiwi is in the last year of his dealand..wait for it.... is almost 30.... </P>


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What makes you so sure they are definately not going DE in the first?</P>

nycsportzfan
02-24-2012, 05:57 PM
No way we take another DE in the first round.</P>


Osi is 30 and is in the last year of his contract.....he could also be traded</P>


Tuck has two years left on his deal and is approaching 30.....he is always banged up too</P>


Kiwi is in the last year of his dealand..wait for it.... is almost 30.... </P>


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What makes you so sure they are definately not going DE in the first?</P> Coulden't agree more.. The giants have proven they will always replenish the pass rushers, let alone when the pass rushers are aging, and those pass rushers were instrumental in us winning 2sb's.. Whitney Mercilus is a guy the Giants would probably love to draft if hes on the board at 32... The guys basically a Justin Tuck clone, with a bit more athletic ability.. He forces fumbles, and has tremendous strength just like Tuck... Whitney Mercilus is probably my dream scenario to be honest with ya.. I do expect him to be long gone though.. I also expect Whitney to put in work at the combine this weekend..

Shockeyitus
02-24-2012, 07:42 PM
Mercilus is going to be an absolute beast. Im not a fan of Melvin Ingram (small) and I'm not sold on Vinnie Curry just yet.

Coples will be long gone.
Mercilus should be gone..
Jones is my guy. He will prove to be a great pick at 32. JPP type talent

Shockeyitus
02-24-2012, 09:35 PM
Just watched a highlight video on Chandler Jones... kid is smooth. He looks a lot like JPP running around and pursuing the ball carrier. Plays with confidence and seems like a silent assassin.

GMenNY21
02-24-2012, 09:48 PM
In the 1st.... I'd be happy with either DE Mercilus/Jones, TE Allen or WR rueben randle..

we get any 1 of those 5 guys in the 1st.. ill be stoked

critters
02-24-2012, 11:36 PM
I could totally see us going DE. It's one thing to be getting old... It's another to be getting old and just won the SB. At some point it would seem you get satisfied. Nothing scientific.

BlueSanta
02-25-2012, 12:25 AM
Cant really complain about the guys you have, although I am not sure i agree with where you have them.

I would be Shocked is Cousins lasts till that late. He had a good senior bowl week, too good to fall that low. I also think last year showed me that teams who need a Qb will reach for them. His game isnt perfect but he has a huge arm and the coaches like him. I think someone will take a chance on him prior to the 6th round, especially the last pick in the 6th.

Menzie is a good player. I agree he is underrated. My concern with him is his speed. He has a torn achillies in his past and has had repeated hamstring tweaks as well. I want to see him run well at the combine. People with torn achillies in thier past sometimes have a hard time recovering former speed and quickness. If not for that achillies injury, he would be talked about a lot more than he has been. Ive read a couple people question if he can break 4.6 40. If he can show them wrong, I would love him on this team.

Green is a guy who's stock is flying up this offseason according to a lot of people. However, he is still very small framed to play tight to the line(6'6 237). I think he will need to add 20lbs before he fits with what we do here. So it isnt just about learning to block, it is also about getting stronger and more physical. Hopefully he comes into the combine with a bit more bulk cause there is a lot to like about him both on and off the field.
Ya, i hope the Giants don't base everything they do with Recieving TE's, on what travis beckum has done.. Beckum is only one player, and there is no telling yet, if hes just a somewhat bust, or if it really was the system.. I love Ladarious Green in the Late rd 3 area, and would actually be very satisfied if he were the pick, especially if were to lose mario manningham, as green should be able to pick up some of the receptions and td's lost with mario.. Plus, we could have a nice 1-2 punch with Ballard and Green if it were to be the case, with balllard serving as the underneath guy and blocker, and Green being the guy who can be a bigmismatch on most lb's and even safety's... Also, we could run some double TE sets in the redzone which would be a nice wrinkle to have...

I dont think Beckum will poison the hybrid TE thought process. I think Reese is smart enough to look at each case individually.

When we drafted Beckum we thought he could learn to block, but he just hasnt. This makes it hard to put him on the field because without that threat of blocking teams can just go to a nickle package to counter him rather than create the mismatch we wanted, which is him on a LB in the open field. If defenses are gonna go nickle and he cant out muscle a smaller CB, then why not have a WR in there instead.

Hybrid TEs work. It works for Aaron Hernandez. Jummy Graham as well as a ton of other hybrid TEs this past year.

That Slot reciever guy, either hybrid TE or slot Wr is gonna be more and more important over the next couple years and beyond. The Rule changes just make the middle of the field too vulnerable. I do not think in years past a guy like Orson Charles gets rated as a NFL TE above Allen or Fleener. The new rules are helping create value for those hybrid guys.

Raptor22
02-25-2012, 09:26 AM
I'd be perfectly happy with Green. He's built just like a Giants draft pick with great height, long arms, and he runs like a deer. He gives great effort in his blocks, he just needs to add about 30lbs lol.

I wouldn't mind them taking 2 TE's as well. I like George Bryan from NC State. He's proven he can be a good blocker already, and was a great receiver when he had a good QB.

Also, just throwing this out there, but don't be surprised if they roll with Pascoe/Hopkins and use Barden in a pseudo TE role.

Shockeyitus
02-25-2012, 06:10 PM
I'd be perfectly happy with Green. He's built just like a Giants draft pick with great height, long arms, and he runs like a deer. He gives great effort in his blocks, he just needs to add about 30lbs lol.

I wouldn't mind them taking 2 TE's as well. I like George Bryan from NC State. He's proven he can be a good blocker already, and was a great receiver when he had a good QB.

Also, just throwing this out there, but don't be surprised if they roll with Pascoe/Hopkins and use Barden in a pseudo TE role.


im not sold on Bryan... I feel like he is extremely slow and the Giants offense has a chance to get even more explosive with an athletic TE. He is a sensational blocker, but they could grab a solid veteran to bring in for blocking purposes. Nick Provo is a late round guy I really like.

Raptor22
02-25-2012, 10:15 PM
I'd be perfectly happy with Green. He's built just like a Giants draft pick with great height, long arms, and he runs like a deer. He gives great effort in his blocks, he just needs to add about 30lbs lol.

I wouldn't mind them taking 2 TE's as well. I like George Bryan from NC State. He's proven he can be a good blocker already, and was a great receiver when he had a good QB.

Also, just throwing this out there, but don't be surprised if they roll with Pascoe/Hopkins and use Barden in a pseudo TE role.


im not sold on Bryan... I feel like he is extremely slow and the Giants offense has a chance to get even more explosive with an athletic TE. He is a sensational blocker, but they could grab a solid veteran to bring in for blocking purposes. Nick Provo is a late round guy I really like.

Yeah, they could get more explosive... but wouldn't it be nice to see some of that explosion come from the running game? How about Bryan blowing up a LB and Scott busting a 60yrd TD run?

Bryan is something of a Ballard clone, and until he got hurt, Ballard was one of the most efficient receivers (if not the most) in the league.

In JR I TrusT