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nycsportzfan
02-24-2012, 04:18 PM
Figured we better start a COMBINE thread as its underway, and gives us a spot to continue our combine chats...</P>


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First off, looks like people were dead wrong about Alshon Jeffery coming in at a supposed 240lbs or whatever the hell people were talking about..lol Dude came in at a impressive 6ft 3in 216lbs, which certainly helped him immensly.. </P>


On the other hand, Dwight Jones came in as the "alshon jeffery overweight" guy, weighing in a 230lbs! He better hope he runs a solid 40, because he'd all ready been dropping on peoples lists with a sub par Sr bowl and now comes in here at 230lbs.. He better be ready to run !</P>


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BlueSanta
02-24-2012, 04:27 PM
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First off, looks like people were dead wrong about Alshon Jeffery coming in at a supposed 240lbs or whatever the hell people were talking about..lol Dude came in at a impressive 6ft 3in 216lbs, which certainly helped him immensly.. </p>



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It weas a very fair question to ask cosidering his past problems with weight. I am glad to see him take the combine seriously though. Helps him immensely.

juice33s
02-24-2012, 04:33 PM
I'm surprised how heavy Orson Charles weighed in at 251.....The guys only 6'2" buts all muscle and is probably the most athletic TE in the draft.

I could see him being a devastatingly effective FB/H-back/TE/slot receiver at the next level. There are so many different looks you can give with that guy and really adds a unique dimension to the offense.

Right now I still have FLeener at #1, but imo when the combine is said and done Charles will have over taken Allen at #2

nycsportzfan
02-24-2012, 04:40 PM
I'm surprised how heavy Orson Charles weighed in at 251.....The guys only 6'2" buts all muscle and is probably the most athletic TE in the draft.

I could see him being a devastatingly effective FB/H-back/TE/slot receiver at the next level. There are so many different looks you can give with that guy and really adds a unique dimension to the offense.

Right now I still have FLeener at #1, but imo when the combine is said and done Charles will have over taken Allen at #2
ya, something as small as WT, has shifted my thought process on Charles alot actually... I'm a huge Dwayne Allen fan as well, and kinda wish Dwayne Allen had guys like Aaron Murray and Andrew Luck throwing em the ball, becasue i think people would definetly see the diffrence a good QB makes, and thats saying something, becuase Allen still did pretty well with Kyle Parker and then a Freshman throwing em the ball.. I think Dwayne Allen is still my number 1 TE, with Fleener and Charles coming in 2nd and 3rd, followed by Ladarious Green, who i think is gonna be something special as a reciever... Hes a guy who has room to gain weight, and big mitts and a ton of upside... </P>


There is a bunch of good sleeper TE's as well, with guys like David Paulson, George Bryan, Brian Linthicum, and nick provo leading the way...</P>

nycsportzfan
02-24-2012, 04:44 PM
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First off, looks like people were dead wrong about Alshon Jeffery coming in at a supposed 240lbs or whatever the hell people were talking about..lol Dude came in at a impressive 6ft 3in 216lbs, which certainly helped him immensly.. </P>


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It weas a very fair question to ask cosidering his past problems with weight. I am glad to see him take the combine seriously though. Helps him immensely.
Ya, coming in at 216lbs could've gotten Jeffery into RD 1 again, and if he runsa decent 40, will almost gurantee just that....</P>


I'm also pretty high on Nick Foles as a QB, and man is that guy impressive stature... Dude has big old hands, and is 6ft 5in 243lbs! Foles had a real lousy team around em, but if u give this guy a yr or 2 with a solid coaching staff, i think you could end up getting a pretty solid NFL QB.. I like Brock Osweiler a bit better, but i like Foles alot.. I actually like Foles and Osweiler more then Tannehill, who i just don't like at all..</P>

juice33s
02-24-2012, 04:48 PM
I'm surprised how heavy Orson Charles weighed in at 251.....The guys only 6'2" buts all muscle and is probably the most athletic TE in the draft.

I could see him being a devastatingly effective FB/H-back/TE/slot receiver at the next level. There are so many different looks you can give with that guy and really adds a unique dimension to the offense.

Right now I still have FLeener at #1, but imo when the combine is said and done Charles will have over taken Allen at #2
ya, something as small as WT, has shifted my thought process on Charles alot actually... I'm a huge Dwayne Allen fan as well, and kinda wish Dwayne Allen had guys like Aaron Murray and Andrew Luck throwing em the ball, becasue i think people would definetly see the diffrence a good QB makes, and thats saying something, becuase Allen still did pretty well with Kyle Parker and then a Freshman throwing em the ball.. I think Dwayne Allen is still my number 1 TE, with Fleener and Charles coming in 2nd and 3rd, followed by Ladarious Green, who i think is gonna be something special as a reciever... Hes a guy who has room to gain weight, and big mitts and a ton of upside... </p>


There is a bunch of good sleeper TE's as well, with guys like David Paulson, George Bryan, Brian Linthicum, and nick provo leading the way...</p>
Its probably a good thing that Fleener isn't running at the combine because just by looking at his tape makes me think he'd smoke check Allen and Charles in the 40. Hes by far the best down field threat in this years TE class and its that type of athleticism that really separates him from Allen imo. To be honest, I'm really not that impressed with Dwayne Allen, I don't like his height or his speed and imo he looks like a 3rd round prospect.

Note: Fleener says he can run in the 4.4 range which would be faster then all the recent TE's other then Vernon Davis

nycsportzfan
02-24-2012, 05:16 PM
I'm surprised how heavy Orson Charles weighed in at 251.....The guys only 6'2" buts all muscle and is probably the most athletic TE in the draft.

I could see him being a devastatingly effective FB/H-back/TE/slot receiver at the next level. There are so many different looks you can give with that guy and really adds a unique dimension to the offense.

Right now I still have FLeener at #1, but imo when the combine is said and done Charles will have over taken Allen at #2
ya, something as small as WT, has shifted my thought process on Charles alot actually... I'm a huge Dwayne Allen fan as well, and kinda wish Dwayne Allen had guys like Aaron Murray and Andrew Luck throwing em the ball, becasue i think people would definetly see the diffrence a good QB makes, and thats saying something, becuase Allen still did pretty well with Kyle Parker and then a Freshman throwing em the ball.. I think Dwayne Allen is still my number 1 TE, with Fleener and Charles coming in 2nd and 3rd, followed by Ladarious Green, who i think is gonna be something special as a reciever... Hes a guy who has room to gain weight, and big mitts and a ton of upside... </P>


There is a bunch of good sleeper TE's as well, with guys like David Paulson, George Bryan, Brian Linthicum, and nick provo leading the way...</P>



Its probably a good thing that Fleener isn't running at the combine because just by looking at his tape makes me think he'd smoke check Allen and Charles in the 40. Hes by far the best down field threat in this years TE class and its that type of athleticism that really separates him from Allen imo. To be honest, I'm really not that impressed with Dwayne Allen, I don't like his height or his speed and imo he looks like a 3rd round prospect.

Note: Fleener says he can run in the 4.4 range which would be faster then all the recent TE's other then Vernon Davis
THe thing about Fleener, is when he wasen't making the big gainer, he was kinda the invisible man often, and thats with the best QB we've seen in yrs possibly, throwing to him.. Fleener had 7games this past yr of 2or less catches.. </P>


Dwayne Allen on the other hand is more complete TE, that can make the catch on the underneath short stuff, as well as get down the seam for a solid gain.. Dwayne Allen is pretty athletic, and has great leaping ability, which makes up for his somewhat shorter stature.. Again, Dwayne Allen played with probably a future 1st rd WR and a Freshman QB, and on top of that had Kyle freaking Parker, who sucked, throwing em teh ball before this past season.. I'm all in on Dwayne Allen.. Hes the complete package, and give him ELI as his QB, and skys the limit.. Fleener is a guy i like a ton as well, but he was either big play or nothing it seemed </P>

BlueSanta
02-24-2012, 05:27 PM
I'm surprised how heavy Orson Charles weighed in at 251.....The guys only 6'2" buts all muscle and is probably the most athletic TE in the draft.

I could see him being a devastatingly effective FB/H-back/TE/slot receiver at the next level. There are so many different looks you can give with that guy and really adds a unique dimension to the offense.

Right now I still have FLeener at #1, but imo when the combine is said and done Charles will have over taken Allen at #2
ya, something as small as WT, has shifted my thought process on Charles alot actually... I'm a huge Dwayne Allen fan as well, and kinda wish Dwayne Allen had guys like Aaron Murray and Andrew Luck throwing em the ball, becasue i think people would definetly see the diffrence a good QB makes, and thats saying something, becuase Allen still did pretty well with Kyle Parker and then a Freshman throwing em the ball.. I think Dwayne Allen is still my number 1 TE, with Fleener and Charles coming in 2nd and 3rd, followed by Ladarious Green, who i think is gonna be something special as a reciever... Hes a guy who has room to gain weight, and big mitts and a ton of upside... </p>


There is a bunch of good sleeper TE's as well, with guys like David Paulson, George Bryan, Brian Linthicum, and nick provo leading the way...</p>
Its probably a good thing that Fleener isn't running at the combine because just by looking at his tape makes me think he'd smoke check Allen and Charles in the 40. Hes by far the best down field threat in this years TE class and its that type of athleticism that really separates him from Allen imo. To be honest, I'm really not that impressed with Dwayne Allen, I don't like his height or his speed and imo he looks like a 3rd round prospect.

Note: Fleener says he can run in the 4.4 range which would be faster then all the recent TE's other then Vernon Davis


That whole downfield threat thing is a bit misleading. I like Fleener a lot, but I do not see him running 4.4. He is fast for his size no doubt, but not quick. He isnt quick off the line like Allen or Charles.

Furthermore, you have to take into account the system they played in. Fleener was in a pro style running offense. They would run, run again, run some more, then just when the safeties and LBs would cheat up, they would play action behind them to Fleener.

Allen, on the other hand, played in a passing offense with WAY more deep weapons than Stanford(qb aside). They had 1 of , if not the best deep threat in the nation in Sammy Watkins. Allen was not used to run deep routes as much because Sammy was. They would run DBs off with Sammy and slip Allen in underneath. Allen was also much more proficient as a hot reciever, meaning on blitzes he was the quick read dumpoff. Fleener was not asked to do this nearly as much.

But, just because Allen wasnt asked to go deep doesnt mean he cant. In fact, I havent seen anything that says he wouldnt be a marvelous deep threat. On the same note, Fleener may also be a fine hot reciever if asked to do so. Although I do think he isnt as quick off the line as Allen or Charles, but that might also be because he was always tight to the line and its harder to get a free release when you have a DE or backer right on you.

Neverend
02-24-2012, 06:03 PM
I'd have to respectfully disagree about Allen being more quick off the line than Fleener. I think if Fleener participated more at the combine he would have absolutely had a faster 10-yrd dash than any TE not named Orson Charles. Allen has good quickness off the line but it seems like defenders have success when they hit him at the line and get physical him (for arguments sake, that could be more of a technique thing). If he were so quick I'd like to see him elude press coverage more often.

nycsportzfan
02-24-2012, 06:37 PM
I'm surprised how heavy Orson Charles weighed in at 251.....The guys only 6'2" buts all muscle and is probably the most athletic TE in the draft.

I could see him being a devastatingly effective FB/H-back/TE/slot receiver at the next level. There are so many different looks you can give with that guy and really adds a unique dimension to the offense.

Right now I still have FLeener at #1, but imo when the combine is said and done Charles will have over taken Allen at #2
ya, something as small as WT, has shifted my thought process on Charles alot actually... I'm a huge Dwayne Allen fan as well, and kinda wish Dwayne Allen had guys like Aaron Murray and Andrew Luck throwing em the ball, becasue i think people would definetly see the diffrence a good QB makes, and thats saying something, becuase Allen still did pretty well with Kyle Parker and then a Freshman throwing em the ball.. I think Dwayne Allen is still my number 1 TE, with Fleener and Charles coming in 2nd and 3rd, followed by Ladarious Green, who i think is gonna be something special as a reciever... Hes a guy who has room to gain weight, and big mitts and a ton of upside... </P>


There is a bunch of good sleeper TE's as well, with guys like David Paulson, George Bryan, Brian Linthicum, and nick provo leading the way...</P>
Its probably a good thing that Fleener isn't running at the combine because just by looking at his tape makes me think he'd smoke check Allen and Charles in the 40. Hes by far the best down field threat in this years TE class and its that type of athleticism that really separates him from Allen imo. To be honest, I'm really not that impressed with Dwayne Allen, I don't like his height or his speed and imo he looks like a 3rd round prospect.

Note: Fleener says he can run in the 4.4 range which would be faster then all the recent TE's other then Vernon Davis


That whole downfield threat thing is a bit misleading. I like Fleener a lot, but I do not see him running 4.4. He is fast for his size no doubt, but not quick. He isnt quick off the line like Allen or Charles.

Furthermore, you have to take into account the system they played in. Fleener was in a pro style running offense. They would run, run again, run some more, then just when the safeties and LBs would cheat up, they would play action behind them to Fleener.

Allen, on the other hand, played in a passing offense with WAY more deep weapons than Stanford(qb aside). They had 1 of , if not the best deep threat in the nation in Sammy Watkins. Allen was not used to run deep routes as much because Sammy was. They would run DBs off with Sammy and slip Allen in underneath. Allen was also much more proficient as a hot reciever, meaning on blitzes he was the quick read dumpoff. Fleener was not asked to do this nearly as much.

But, just because Allen wasnt asked to go deep doesnt mean he cant. In fact, I havent seen anything that says he wouldnt be a marvelous deep threat. On the same note, Fleener may also be a fine hot reciever if asked to do so. Although I do think he isnt as quick off the line as Allen or Charles, but that might also be because he was always tight to the line and its harder to get a free release when you have a DE or backer right on you.



well said, pretty much exactly what i was trying to say... I like both enough, where i woulden't mind having either with our 1st rder, but i think Allen is what we need more, being that we need a guy who can consistently be open underneath when our outside weapons are covered, and on occasion Dwayne Allen can slip fairly deep, and with the muscular stocky frame, break tackles... I'm eager to see Dwayne Allens Vertical, because i've seen the dude get crazy ups on a few catches... I just feel like Dwayne ALlen is exactly the type of TE we need, all though, Fleener is pretty much right there with em.. Shoot, Orson Charles is putting on a show right now at the combine all ready, coming in over 250lbs, and Benching 35reps, which was easily the most by any TE... Fleener and Allen tied with 27reps, which was again, very solid... Ladarious Green only had 16, ugh...lol

nycsportzfan
02-24-2012, 06:51 PM
I'd have to respectfully disagree about Allen being more quick off the line than Fleener. I think if Fleener participated more at the combine he would have absolutely had a faster 10-yrd dash than any TE not named Orson Charles. Allen has good quickness off the line but it seems like defenders have success when they hit him at the line and get physical him (for arguments sake, that could be more of a technique thing). If he were so quick I'd like to see him elude press coverage more often. Allen has great seperation skills, and ESPN"s Scouts Inc broke down all the TOP players at there positons and Dwayne Allen was 3rd in Seperation Skills, which is instrumental when your qb needs to get rid of the ball quickly...</P>


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<DIV class=mod-content>ESPN's Scouts Inc. broke down the top NFL prospects at each offensive position heading into the NFL combine, and it looks like the ACC could have some stars at wide receiver and/or tight end.

When it comes to ball skills, former Virginia Tech receiver <FONT color=#225db7>Danny Coale</FONT> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28943/danny-coale) ranked among <FONT color=#225db7>the top five receivers at the combine</FONT> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7598761/one-prospect-ahead-pack-2012-nfl-combine-wide-receivers). Scouts Inc. also ranked the receivers by their big-play abilities, and Georgia Tech's <FONT color=#225db7>Stephen Hill</FONT> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29011/stephen-hill) ranked No. 4, followed by Miami's <FONT color=#225db7>Travis Benjamin</FONT> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27984/travis-benjamin), who was tied for fifth.

Former Clemson tight end <FONT color=#225db7>Dwayne Allen</FONT> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28958/dwayne-allen) was No. 3 in the "<FONT color=#225db7>separation skills</FONT> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7598760/breaking-2012-nfl-draft-tight-end-class)" category, while Miami's <FONT color=#225db7>Chase Ford</FONT> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27994/chase-ford) was No. 3 in big-play abilities, and NC State's <FONT color=#225db7>George Bryan</FONT> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28108/george-bryan) was No. 2 in competitiveness.

Two of the ACC's offensive linemen were also featured, as Florida State's <FONT color=#225db7>Zebrie Sanders</FONT> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27672/zebrie-sanders) was <FONT color=#225db7>the No. 3 tackle in run blocking</FONT> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7598762/breaking-offensive-line-class-2012-nfl-draft), and Wake's <FONT color=#225db7>Joe Looney</FONT> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28416/joe-looney) was the No. 2 guard in awareness.</DIV>

Spizi
02-24-2012, 06:52 PM
I feel like Allen is definitely the top TE in the class and I hope we can get him.

-solid blocker
-great route running
-gets of jams with ease
-insane acrobatic catches

In my opinion he is definitely better than Fleener.

nycsportzfan
02-24-2012, 06:52 PM
Orson Charles tears up the Bench Press with a TE leading 35reps...

nycsportzfan
02-24-2012, 06:53 PM
I feel like Allen is definitely the top TE in the class and I hope we can get him. -solid blocker -great route running -gets of jams with ease -insane acrobatic catches In my opinion he is definitely better than Fleener. Ya, his seperation skills, plus the ability to block, and as u said, the acrobatic catches, where he leaps super high in the air, are just fun to watch.. The dudes got ups! Can't wait to see his vertical..

nycsportzfan
02-24-2012, 07:09 PM
Cordy Glenn is a freaking monster! Dude busted out 31reps on the bench with his very long arms(long arms makes it tougher to do many reps obviously, for example David Molk did 41reps with his short arms).. The GA boys are making noise early on with Orson Charles getting most reps outta TE's and Glenn putting up fine performance with his very long arms... Mike Adams had 19reps with a tad shorter arms, to give u guys a idea....

nycsportzfan
02-24-2012, 07:16 PM
Heres all the measruables from the listed positons, with analysis... Bench Press results for Oline/TE as well...</P>


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2012 NFL Draft Combine - Offensive Linemen (http://www.walterfootball.com/combine2012OL.php) - <FONT color=red>Updated 2/25 (Bench) </FONT>


2012 NFL Draft Combine - Tight Ends (http://www.walterfootball.com/combine2012TE.php) - <FONT color=red>Updated 2/25 (Bench) </FONT>


2012 NFL Draft Combine - Wide Receivers (http://www.walterfootball.com/combine2012WR.php) - <FONT color=red>Updated 2/25 </FONT>


2012 NFL Combine Weigh-in Analysis: Wide Receivers (http://www.walterfootball.com/combine2012weighin4.php) - <FONT color=red>Updated 2/25 </FONT>


2012 NFL Draft Combine - Running Backs (http://www.walterfootball.com/combine2012RB.php) - <FONT color=red>Updated 2/25 </FONT>


2012 NFL Combine Weigh-in Analysis: Running Backs (http://www.walterfootball.com/combine2012weighin3.php) - <FONT color=red>Updated 2/25 </FONT>


2012 NFL Draft Combine - Quarterbacks (http://www.walterfootball.com/combine2012QB.php) - <FONT color=red>Updated 2/25 </FONT>


2012 NFL Combine Weigh-in Analysis: Quarterbacks (http://www.walterfootball.com/combine2012weighin2.php) - <FONT color=red>Updated 2/25 </FONT>

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nycsportzfan
02-24-2012, 07:18 PM
Please let us get out hands on Doug Martin RB Boise St!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings...

gmen0820
02-24-2012, 07:20 PM
Please let us get out hands on Doug Martin RB Boise St!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs..* Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings...Exactly how I'd describe Doug Martin. Kid is just flat out solid at everything he does and has the work ethic to just get better and better.

juice33s
02-24-2012, 07:47 PM
I'd have to respectfully disagree about Allen being more quick off the line than Fleener. I think if Fleener participated more at the combine he would have absolutely had a faster 10-yrd dash than any TE not named Orson Charles. Allen has good quickness off the line but it seems like defenders have success when they hit him at the line and get physical him (for arguments sake, that could be more of a technique thing). If he were so quick I'd like to see him elude press coverage more often. Allen has great seperation skills, and ESPN"s Scouts Inc broke down all the TOP players at there positons and <font size="5">Dwayne Allen was 3rd in Seperation Skills, which is instrumental when your qb needs to get rid of the ball quickly...</font></p>


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<div class="mod-content">ESPN's Scouts Inc. broke down the top NFL prospects at each offensive position heading into the NFL combine, and it looks like the ACC could have some stars at wide receiver and/or tight end.

When it comes to ball skills, former Virginia Tech receiver <font color="#225db7">Danny Coale</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28943/danny-coale) ranked among <font color="#225db7">the top five receivers at the combine</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7598761/one-prospect-ahead-pack-2012-nfl-combine-wide-receivers). Scouts Inc. also ranked the receivers by their big-play abilities, and Georgia Tech's <font color="#225db7">Stephen Hill</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29011/stephen-hill) ranked No. 4, followed by Miami's <font color="#225db7">Travis Benjamin</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27984/travis-benjamin), who was tied for fifth.

Former Clemson tight end <font color="#225db7">Dwayne Allen</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28958/dwayne-allen) was No. 3 in the "<font color="#225db7">separation skills</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7598760/breaking-2012-nfl-draft-tight-end-class)" category, while Miami's <font color="#225db7">Chase Ford</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27994/chase-ford) was No. 3 in big-play abilities, and NC State's <font color="#225db7">George Bryan</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28108/george-bryan) was No. 2 in competitiveness.

Two of the ACC's offensive linemen were also featured, as Florida State's <font color="#225db7">Zebrie Sanders</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27672/zebrie-sanders) was <font color="#225db7">the No. 3 tackle in run blocking</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7598762/breaking-offensive-line-class-2012-nfl-draft), and Wake's <font color="#225db7">Joe Looney</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28416/joe-looney) was the No. 2 guard in awareness.</div>
You know who was number 1 in separation skills?...Fleener

I personally gauruntee that Allen doesn't go in the first....more like mid 2nd to early 3rd. The guy has below average size and only average athleticism.

BlueSanta
02-24-2012, 08:14 PM
I'd have to respectfully disagree about Allen being more quick off the line than Fleener. I think if Fleener participated more at the combine he would have absolutely had a faster 10-yrd dash than any TE not named Orson Charles. Allen has good quickness off the line but it seems like defenders have success when they hit him at the line and get physical him (for arguments sake, that could be more of a technique thing). If he were so quick I'd like to see him elude press coverage more often. Allen has great seperation skills, and ESPN"s Scouts Inc broke down all the TOP players at there positons and <font size="5">Dwayne Allen was 3rd in Seperation Skills, which is instrumental when your qb needs to get rid of the ball quickly...</font></p>


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<div class="mod-content">ESPN's Scouts Inc. broke down the top NFL prospects at each offensive position heading into the NFL combine, and it looks like the ACC could have some stars at wide receiver and/or tight end.

When it comes to ball skills, former Virginia Tech receiver <font color="#225db7">Danny Coale</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28943/danny-coale) ranked among <font color="#225db7">the top five receivers at the combine</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7598761/one-prospect-ahead-pack-2012-nfl-combine-wide-receivers). Scouts Inc. also ranked the receivers by their big-play abilities, and Georgia Tech's <font color="#225db7">Stephen Hill</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29011/stephen-hill) ranked No. 4, followed by Miami's <font color="#225db7">Travis Benjamin</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27984/travis-benjamin), who was tied for fifth.

Former Clemson tight end <font color="#225db7">Dwayne Allen</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28958/dwayne-allen) was No. 3 in the "<font color="#225db7">separation skills</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7598760/breaking-2012-nfl-draft-tight-end-class)" category, while Miami's <font color="#225db7">Chase Ford</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27994/chase-ford) was No. 3 in big-play abilities, and NC State's <font color="#225db7">George Bryan</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28108/george-bryan) was No. 2 in competitiveness.

Two of the ACC's offensive linemen were also featured, as Florida State's <font color="#225db7">Zebrie Sanders</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27672/zebrie-sanders) was <font color="#225db7">the No. 3 tackle in run blocking</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7598762/breaking-offensive-line-class-2012-nfl-draft), and Wake's <font color="#225db7">Joe Looney</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28416/joe-looney) was the No. 2 guard in awareness.</div>
You know who was number 1 in separation skills?...Fleener

I personally gauruntee that Allen doesn't go in the first....more like mid 2nd to early 3rd. The guy has below average size and only average athleticism.




I do think Fleener has a higher chance of going in the 1st because more of the teams who need a TE are pro style teams. Personally, I think Atlanta might have their sights on him since Gonzales is showing his age and has hinted at this being his last year.

And, if we want a guy to fill just a pro style TE role then I do hope we take Fleener.

But, if we want a guy who can be a tight end and ocassionaly split out or play h-back to help fill the hole that a possibly departing MM would leave, then I think Allen serves that role better.

I would not complain about either player to be honest.

BlueSanta
02-24-2012, 08:18 PM
Cordy Glenn is a freaking monster! Dude busted out 31reps on the bench with his very long arms(long arms makes it tougher to do many reps obviously, for example David Molk did 41reps with his short arms).. The GA boys are making noise early on with Orson Charles getting most reps outta TE's and Glenn putting up fine performance with his very long arms... Mike Adams had 19reps with a tad shorter arms, to give u guys a idea....

Every year there is 1 guy I secretly hope is available when we pick(withint reality.) My mind isnt completely made up, but recently that guy has been Cordy. We had trouble with up the middle pressure this year. We also had injury problems and a guy who can play multiple positions along the line always helps solve that problem. Plus, I have not been overly impressed with Baas, I think he is susceptible to good bull rushers. Nothing helps a center more than having 2 brick houses lined up next to him.

heavyhitter
02-24-2012, 08:40 PM
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First off, looks like people were dead wrong about Alshon Jeffery coming in at a supposed 240lbs or whatever the hell people were talking about..lol Dude came in at a impressive 6ft 3in 216lbs, which certainly helped him immensly.. </p>



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It weas a very fair question to ask cosidering his past problems with weight. I am glad to see him take the combine seriously though. <font size="4">Helps him immensely.</font>
<font size="2">Yeah it does- If Jeffrey can run in the 4.5 or better range, he goes in the 1st round. </font>

heavyhitter
02-24-2012, 08:42 PM
Figured we better start a COMBINE thread as its underway, and gives us a spot to continue our combine chats...</p>


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First off, looks like people were dead wrong about Alshon Jeffery coming in at a supposed 240lbs or whatever the hell people were talking about..lol Dude came in at a impressive 6ft 3in 216lbs, which certainly helped him immensly.. </p>


On the other hand, Dwight Jones came in as the "alshon jeffery overweight" guy, weighing in a 230lbs! He better hope he runs a solid 40, because he'd all ready been dropping on peoples lists with a sub par Sr bowl and now comes in here at 230lbs.. He better be ready to run !</p>


</p><font size="3">Talk to this guy- </font>http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/screenshot20120213at410.png

BlueSanta
02-24-2012, 08:50 PM
Figured we better start a COMBINE thread as its underway, and gives us a spot to continue our combine chats...</p>


</p>


First off, looks like people were dead wrong about Alshon Jeffery coming in at a supposed 240lbs or whatever the hell people were talking about..lol Dude came in at a impressive 6ft 3in 216lbs, which certainly helped him immensly.. </p>


On the other hand, Dwight Jones came in as the "alshon jeffery overweight" guy, weighing in a 230lbs! He better hope he runs a solid 40, because he'd all ready been dropping on peoples lists with a sub par Sr bowl and now comes in here at 230lbs.. He better be ready to run !</p>


</p><font size="3">Talk to this guy- </font>http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/screenshot20120213at410.png


Ya, that was some seriously bad reporting by Joe.

But beyond that, Alshon has had weight problems in the past, its well documented.So it isnt as if there was no reason to worry. It is good to see AJ fight off those demons. I do not think anyone expected him to come in at 216. If he runs well, his stock will soar. I always like seeing a young man defeat his demons and do well.

heavyhitter
02-24-2012, 08:58 PM
Please let us get out hands on <font size="3">Doug Martin RB Boise St</font>!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. <font size="3">Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings..</font>.<font size="2">Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson have got the edge over Martin IMO.</font>

Neverend
02-24-2012, 10:34 PM
I'd have to respectfully disagree about Allen being more quick off the line than Fleener. I think if Fleener participated more at the combine he would have absolutely had a faster 10-yrd dash than any TE not named Orson Charles. Allen has good quickness off the line but it seems like defenders have success when they hit him at the line and get physical him (for arguments sake, that could be more of a technique thing). If he were so quick I'd like to see him elude press coverage more often.* Allen has great seperation skills, and* ESPN"s Scouts Inc broke down all the TOP players at there positons and*Dwayne Allen was 3rd in Seperation Skills, which is instrumental when your qb needs to get rid of the ball quickly...</p>


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<div class="mod-content">ESPN's Scouts Inc. broke down the top NFL prospects at each offensive position heading into the NFL combine, and it looks like the ACC could have some stars at wide receiver and/or tight end.

When it comes to ball skills, former Virginia Tech receiver <font color="#225db7">Danny Coale</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28943/danny-coale) ranked among <font color="#225db7">the top five receivers at the combine</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7598761/one-prospect-ahead-pack-2012-nfl-combine-wide-receivers). Scouts Inc. also ranked the receivers by their big-play abilities, and Georgia Tech's <font color="#225db7">Stephen Hill</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29011/stephen-hill) ranked No. 4, followed by Miami's <font color="#225db7">Travis Benjamin</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27984/travis-benjamin), who was tied for fifth.

Former Clemson tight end <font color="#225db7">Dwayne Allen</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28958/dwayne-allen) was No. 3 in the "<font color="#225db7">separation skills</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7598760/breaking-2012-nfl-draft-tight-end-class)" category, while Miami's <font color="#225db7">Chase Ford</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27994/chase-ford) was No. 3 in big-play abilities, and NC State's <font color="#225db7">George Bryan</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28108/george-bryan) was No. 2 in competitiveness.

Two of the ACC's offensive linemen were also featured, as Florida State's <font color="#225db7">Zebrie Sanders</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27672/zebrie-sanders) was <font color="#225db7">the No. 3 tackle in run blocking</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7598762/breaking-offensive-line-class-2012-nfl-draft), and Wake's <font color="#225db7">Joe Looney</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28416/joe-looney) was the No. 2 guard in awareness.</div>
You know who was number 1 in separation skills?...Fleener






How ironic.. huh?

When it comes to short area quickness (which ofc the ability to get separation is mostly based on that), Fleener has the advantage. I wouldn't put Dwayne Allen in the category of being a quick-twitch receiver at all. Not to say he doesn't have other strengths (high pointing the pass, winning in jump ball situations, good body control, etc) but its clearly evident Fleener is quicker albeit not by a landslide

BlueSanta
02-25-2012, 12:23 AM
I'd have to respectfully disagree about Allen being more quick off the line than Fleener. I think if Fleener participated more at the combine he would have absolutely had a faster 10-yrd dash than any TE not named Orson Charles. Allen has good quickness off the line but it seems like defenders have success when they hit him at the line and get physical him (for arguments sake, that could be more of a technique thing). If he were so quick I'd like to see him elude press coverage more often. Allen has great seperation skills, and ESPN"s Scouts Inc broke down all the TOP players at there positons andDwayne Allen was 3rd in Seperation Skills, which is instrumental when your qb needs to get rid of the ball quickly...</p>


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<div class="mod-content">ESPN's Scouts Inc. broke down the top NFL prospects at each offensive position heading into the NFL combine, and it looks like the ACC could have some stars at wide receiver and/or tight end.

When it comes to ball skills, former Virginia Tech receiver <font color="#225db7">Danny Coale</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28943/danny-coale) ranked among <font color="#225db7">the top five receivers at the combine</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7598761/one-prospect-ahead-pack-2012-nfl-combine-wide-receivers). Scouts Inc. also ranked the receivers by their big-play abilities, and Georgia Tech's <font color="#225db7">Stephen Hill</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29011/stephen-hill) ranked No. 4, followed by Miami's <font color="#225db7">Travis Benjamin</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27984/travis-benjamin), who was tied for fifth.

Former Clemson tight end <font color="#225db7">Dwayne Allen</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28958/dwayne-allen) was No. 3 in the "<font color="#225db7">separation skills</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7598760/breaking-2012-nfl-draft-tight-end-class)" category, while Miami's <font color="#225db7">Chase Ford</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27994/chase-ford) was No. 3 in big-play abilities, and NC State's <font color="#225db7">George Bryan</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28108/george-bryan) was No. 2 in competitiveness.

Two of the ACC's offensive linemen were also featured, as Florida State's <font color="#225db7">Zebrie Sanders</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27672/zebrie-sanders) was <font color="#225db7">the No. 3 tackle in run blocking</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7598762/breaking-offensive-line-class-2012-nfl-draft), and Wake's <font color="#225db7">Joe Looney</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28416/joe-looney) was the No. 2 guard in awareness.</div>
You know who was number 1 in separation skills?...Fleener






How ironic.. huh?

When it comes to short area quickness (which ofc the ability to get separation is mostly based on that), Fleener has the advantage. I wouldn't put Dwayne Allen in the category of being a quick-twitch receiver at all. Not to say he doesn't have other strengths (high pointing the pass, winning in jump ball situations, good body control, etc) but its clearly evident Fleener is quicker albeit not by a landslide

I just do not see that at all in film. I do think Fleener posseses more speed. But quickness? No.


I dont think either is as quick and Charles though.

juice33s
02-25-2012, 12:38 AM
I'd have to respectfully disagree about Allen being more quick off the line than Fleener. I think if Fleener participated more at the combine he would have absolutely had a faster 10-yrd dash than any TE not named Orson Charles. Allen has good quickness off the line but it seems like defenders have success when they hit him at the line and get physical him (for arguments sake, that could be more of a technique thing). If he were so quick I'd like to see him elude press coverage more often. Allen has great seperation skills, and ESPN"s Scouts Inc broke down all the TOP players at there positons andDwayne Allen was 3rd in Seperation Skills, which is instrumental when your qb needs to get rid of the ball quickly...</p>


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When it comes to ball skills, former Virginia Tech receiver <font color="#225db7">Danny Coale</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28943/danny-coale) ranked among <font color="#225db7">the top five receivers at the combine</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7598761/one-prospect-ahead-pack-2012-nfl-combine-wide-receivers). Scouts Inc. also ranked the receivers by their big-play abilities, and Georgia Tech's <font color="#225db7">Stephen Hill</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/29011/stephen-hill) ranked No. 4, followed by Miami's <font color="#225db7">Travis Benjamin</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27984/travis-benjamin), who was tied for fifth.

Former Clemson tight end <font color="#225db7">Dwayne Allen</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28958/dwayne-allen) was No. 3 in the "<font color="#225db7">separation skills</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7598760/breaking-2012-nfl-draft-tight-end-class)" category, while Miami's <font color="#225db7">Chase Ford</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27994/chase-ford) was No. 3 in big-play abilities, and NC State's <font color="#225db7">George Bryan</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28108/george-bryan) was No. 2 in competitiveness.

Two of the ACC's offensive linemen were also featured, as Florida State's <font color="#225db7">Zebrie Sanders</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27672/zebrie-sanders) was <font color="#225db7">the No. 3 tackle in run blocking</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7598762/breaking-offensive-line-class-2012-nfl-draft), and Wake's <font color="#225db7">Joe Looney</font> (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28416/joe-looney) was the No. 2 guard in awareness.</div>
You know who was number 1 in separation skills?...Fleener






How ironic.. huh?

When it comes to short area quickness (which ofc the ability to get separation is mostly based on that), Fleener has the advantage. I wouldn't put Dwayne Allen in the category of being a quick-twitch receiver at all. Not to say he doesn't have other strengths (high pointing the pass, winning in jump ball situations, good body control, etc) but its clearly evident Fleener is quicker albeit not by a landslide

I just do not see that at all in film. I do think Fleener posseses more speed. But quickness? No.


I dont think either is as quick and Charles though.


Fleeners better after the catch then both, he makes people miss and flat out drags defenders. Charles and Allen go down way too easily on first contact imo

rainierjef
02-25-2012, 12:46 AM
Did fleener say why he was not running the 40?

juice33s
02-25-2012, 12:59 AM
How did Kelechi Osmele play this season? He certainly has the measurements of an NFL tackle
6'6" 333lbs 35 7/8 arms 32 reps on the bench

He looked pretty garbage in redeyes 2010 tape against OKL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O2UR_FWqas), but has he improved technique wise, b/c all the physical tools seem to be there

BlueSanta
02-25-2012, 12:59 AM
I am glad to see Chris Polk took to heart some of the criticism he recieved at the senior bowl. He came in to the combine 10 Lbs lighter.


Those 8 inch hands are gonna hurt Tauren Poole a bit. On the same note, those 10'1/8 inch hands are gonna help Mohamed Sanu and those 10' 1/4 inchers on Alshon are gonna impress.

BlueSanta
02-25-2012, 01:00 AM
How did Kelechi Osmele play this season? He certainly has the measurements of an NFL tackle
6'6" 333lbs 35 7/8 arms 32 reps on the bench

He looked pretty garbage in redeyes 2010 tape against OKL (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5O2UR_FWqas), but has he improved technique wise, b/c all the physical tools seem to be there


To me, he is a run blocker only atm. He has a nasty side, but needs development.

juice33s
02-25-2012, 01:00 AM
Did fleener say why he was not running the 40?

High ankle sprain from bowl game didnt give him enough time to prepare for combine, but will run at pro day....Don't think it really matters either way, the guy is obviously on the fast end for his position

BlueSanta
02-25-2012, 01:02 AM
Fleeners better after the catch then both, he makes people miss and flat out drags defenders. Charles and Allen go down way too easily on first contact imo


Again 100% disagree.

I just dont see the same quickness both before and after the catch out of Fleener. Still, he reminds me of a Jay Novacek type TE. A high quality pro offense TE.

juice33s
02-25-2012, 01:06 AM
I am glad to see Chris Polk took to heart some of the criticism he recieved at the senior bowl. He came in to the combine 10 Lbs lighter.


Those 8 inch hands are gonna hurt Tauren Poole a bit. On the same note, those 10'1/8 inch hands are gonna help Mohamed Sanu and those 10' 1/4 inchers on Alshon are gonna impress.



Am i the only one who thinks Sanu might be a better prospect then Blackmon? He's bigger and probably faster imo...had he played in the stat happy OKL St system and Blackmon in the swamps of jersey we might be seeing them completely differently.

Watching Blackmons college tape made me think TO, but at 6'1 207 and the suspected slow 40 time he is not nearly the physical freak of Owens.

After Crabtrees over ratedness I'd be weary of these Big 12 guys in pass happy offenses

BlueSanta
02-25-2012, 01:08 AM
I am glad to see Chris Polk took to heart some of the criticism he recieved at the senior bowl. He came in to the combine 10 Lbs lighter.


Those 8 inch hands are gonna hurt Tauren Poole a bit. On the same note, those 10'1/8 inch hands are gonna help Mohamed Sanu and those 10' 1/4 inchers on Alshon are gonna impress.



Am i the only one who thinks Sanu might be a better prospect then Blackmon? He's bigger and probably faster imo...had he played in the stat happy OKL St system and Blackmon in the swamps of jersey we might be seeing them completely differently.

Watching Blackmons college tape made me think TO, but at 6'1 207 and the suspected slow 40 time he is not nearly the physical freak of Owens.

After Crabtrees over ratedness I'd be weary of these Big 12 guys in pass happy offenses




I like em both.


Crabtree played for the same school but a different coach.

It would have been fun to see how Sanu would have done for OKst tho.

juice33s
02-25-2012, 01:13 AM
I am glad to see Chris Polk took to heart some of the criticism he recieved at the senior bowl. He came in to the combine 10 Lbs lighter.


Those 8 inch hands are gonna hurt Tauren Poole a bit. On the same note, those 10'1/8 inch hands are gonna help Mohamed Sanu and those 10' 1/4 inchers on Alshon are gonna impress.



Am i the only one who thinks Sanu might be a better prospect then Blackmon? He's bigger and probably faster imo...had he played in the stat happy OKL St system and Blackmon in the swamps of jersey we might be seeing them completely differently.

Watching Blackmons college tape made me think TO, but at 6'1 207 and the suspected slow 40 time he is not nearly the physical freak of Owens.

After Crabtrees over ratedness I'd be weary of these Big 12 guys in pass happy offenses




I like em both.


Crabtree played for the same school but a different coach.

It would have been fun to see how Sanu would have done for OKst tho.

same school as who? Crabtree was texas tech.....On a related note I think Floyd compares favorably to Braylon Edwards, hopefully for his sake its the 2007 edition

BlueSanta
02-25-2012, 01:26 AM
I am glad to see Chris Polk took to heart some of the criticism he recieved at the senior bowl. He came in to the combine 10 Lbs lighter.


Those 8 inch hands are gonna hurt Tauren Poole a bit. On the same note, those 10'1/8 inch hands are gonna help Mohamed Sanu and those 10' 1/4 inchers on Alshon are gonna impress.



Am i the only one who thinks Sanu might be a better prospect then Blackmon? He's bigger and probably faster imo...had he played in the stat happy OKL St system and Blackmon in the swamps of jersey we might be seeing them completely differently.

Watching Blackmons college tape made me think TO, but at 6'1 207 and the suspected slow 40 time he is not nearly the physical freak of Owens.

After Crabtrees over ratedness I'd be weary of these Big 12 guys in pass happy offenses




I like em both.


Crabtree played for the same school but a different coach.

It would have been fun to see how Sanu would have done for OKst tho.

same school as who? Crabtree was texas tech.....On a related note I think Floyd compares favorably to Braylon Edwards, hopefully for his sake its the 2007 edition

Ya sorry its late, i meant same conference

BlueSanta
02-25-2012, 01:42 AM
Another guy that intrigues me is Rhett Ellison out of USC. He played TE in 2010 but they moved him to FB in 2011.

He was invited as a Fullback, which surprised me, but measured in at 6'5 251. That is very tall for a Fullback and I think he finds he will be drafted as a H-back or even a full blown TE.

A guy with that type of versatility would fit in quite well with the Giants.

nycsportzfan
02-25-2012, 07:40 AM
Please let us get out hands on <FONT size=3>Doug Martin RB Boise St</FONT>!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. <FONT size=3>Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings..</FONT>.<FONT size=2>Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson have got the edge over Martin IMO.</FONT>
not to me they don't.. Not even close really.. I'm not that high on either Lamar Miller or David Wilson, all though i'd certainly be intrigued if we were to get em... Doug Martin is a do everything back, who can retrun kicks, as well as be a ray rice type potent reciever outta the backfield, and hes got the kinda build i love for the pro game .. I think if Doug Martin played at Florida or Bama, he'd be a sure 1st rd pick, and to be bluntly honest, i won't be surprised if hes the 2nd RB taken in this draft, as hes that good.. Hopefully teams make mistakes on Martin, just as they did on MJD and Ray Rice, and hes available when we pick in RD 2, but i don't think teams are stupid enough to make the same mistake yet again..

nycsportzfan
02-25-2012, 07:51 AM
I'd have to respectfully disagree about Allen being more quick off the line than Fleener. I think if Fleener participated more at the combine he would have absolutely had a faster 10-yrd dash than any TE not named Orson Charles. Allen has good quickness off the line but it seems like defenders have success when they hit him at the line and get physical him (for arguments sake, that could be more of a technique thing). If he were so quick I'd like to see him elude press coverage more often. Allen has great seperation skills, and ESPN"s Scouts Inc broke down all the TOP players at there positons and <FONT size=5>Dwayne Allen was 3rd in Seperation Skills, which is instrumental when your qb needs to get rid of the ball quickly...</FONT></P>


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You know who was number 1 in separation skills?...Fleener

I personally gauruntee that Allen doesn't go in the first....more like mid 2nd to early 3rd. The guy has below average size and only average athleticism.


so, he had the best seperation ability, but yet with all that seperation, he had 7games of 2or less catches?

nycsportzfan
02-25-2012, 08:03 AM
Cordy Glenn is a freaking monster! Dude busted out 31reps on the bench with his very long arms(long arms makes it tougher to do many reps obviously, for example David Molk did 41reps with his short arms).. The GA boys are making noise early on with Orson Charles getting most reps outta TE's and Glenn putting up fine performance with his very long arms... Mike Adams had 19reps with a tad shorter arms, to give u guys a idea....

Every year there is 1 guy I secretly hope is available when we pick(withint reality.) My mind isnt completely made up, but recently that guy has been Cordy. We had trouble with up the middle pressure this year. We also had injury problems and a guy who can play multiple positions along the line always helps solve that problem. Plus, I have not been overly impressed with Baas, I think he is susceptible to good bull rushers. Nothing helps a center more than having 2 brick houses lined up next to him.
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nycsportzfan
02-25-2012, 08:14 AM
I am glad to see Chris Polk took to heart some of the criticism he recieved at the senior bowl. He came in to the combine 10 Lbs lighter.


Those 8 inch hands are gonna hurt Tauren Poole a bit. On the same note, those 10'1/8 inch hands are gonna help Mohamed Sanu and those 10' 1/4 inchers on Alshon are gonna impress.



Am i the only one who thinks Sanu might be a better prospect then Blackmon? He's bigger and probably faster imo...had he played in the stat happy OKL St system and Blackmon in the swamps of jersey we might be seeing them completely differently.

Watching Blackmons college tape made me think TO, but at 6'1 207 and the suspected slow 40 time he is not nearly the physical freak of Owens.

After Crabtrees over ratedness I'd be weary of these Big 12 guys in pass happy offenses
I will say that Mahhumed Sanu, Juron Criner and Marvin Mcnutt all are impressive WR's, and i would not be surprised if all 3 are studs on whatever teams draft em.. Also that Quick kid from Appalachin St is very intriguing.. This WR class is utterly insane! Blackmon, Floyd, Criner, Sanu, Jeffery, Mcnutt, Quick, Wright, are all guys i can honestly see big things for in the pros... Then u get to the next group, which is loaded with potential, and upside... Guys like Jordan White, Ryan Broyles, T.Y Hilton, B.J Cunningham(i think hes gonna be a solid pro), Chris Givens, Jeff Fuller, Tommy Streeter, Stephen Hill, Nick Toon, Rueben Randle, Jarious Wright, Joe Adams, Greg Childs(nice little sleeper if healthy), Gerrell Robinson, Marvin Jones....etc Any of those guys would have u feeling very intrigued with possiblities..

buddy33
02-25-2012, 08:35 AM
I follow RU and I have like Sanu for some time. He is a great character player, loves to block as a WR, and I would really like him to be picked by the Giants. I know it's not their biggest need, but he might be BPA when then pick at 32. With Nicks and Sanu the Giants could have the most physical WR's in the league and Cruz can hold his own for his size.

Something else to remember about his career at RU, Sanu had 3 different freshman QB's throwing him the ball.

nycsportzfan
02-25-2012, 08:36 AM
Cordy Glenn is a freaking monster! Dude busted out 31reps on the bench with his very long arms(long arms makes it tougher to do many reps obviously, for example David Molk did 41reps with his short arms).. The GA boys are making noise early on with Orson Charles getting most reps outta TE's and Glenn putting up fine performance with his very long arms... Mike Adams had 19reps with a tad shorter arms, to give u guys a idea....

Every year there is 1 guy I secretly hope is available when we pick(withint reality.) My mind isnt completely made up, but recently that guy has been Cordy. We had trouble with up the middle pressure this year. We also had injury problems and a guy who can play multiple positions along the line always helps solve that problem. Plus, I have not been overly impressed with Baas, I think he is susceptible to good bull rushers. Nothing helps a center more than having 2 brick houses lined up next to him.
Ya, i really like Cordy Glenn myself... If i had to pick just 1(god its hard this yr!), guy that would be my dream scenario, it'd probably be Whitney Mercilus... A guy with Mercilus's physical tools, and relentless motor, and abilty to force turnovers, are 3things right there, that just get me all giddy inside..lol Mercilus is a beast!

nycsportzfan
02-25-2012, 08:43 AM
I follow RU and I have like Sanu for some time. He is a great character player, loves to block as a WR, and I would really like him to be picked by the Giants. I know it's not their biggest need, but he might be BPA when then pick at 32. With Nicks and Sanu the Giants could have the most physical WR's in the league and Cruz can hold his own for his size. Something else to remember about his career at RU, Sanu had 3 different freshman QB's throwing him the ball. Ya, it was fun watching Sanu grow into the reciever hes become.. I remember him running the Wildcat back when he first got there, and all they talked about was Sanu's potential, and it sure was fun watching him grow into that potential, and really go above and beyond it..

Redeyejedi
02-25-2012, 10:21 AM
Cordy Glenn by far the most impressive player so far a 4.96 40 fastest split at 1.76 at 345 pounds. With an almost 85" wingspan . He was Borderline first before this pretty much clinched it today. Giants usually dont go after big guys like this but they have to take a serious look at him

Raptor22
02-25-2012, 10:36 AM
Cordy Glenn by far the most impressive player so far a 4.96 40 fastest split at 1.76 at 345 pounds. With an almost 85" wingspan . He was Borderline first before this pretty much clinched it today. Giants usually dont go after big guys like this but they have to take a serious look at him

Definitely. (2nd 40 was 5.09, still freakishly good for 345)

I'm also liking the looks of Brown from Troy (tackle feet, low center of gravity, LONG arms)

Redeyejedi
02-25-2012, 10:41 AM
Cordy Glenn by far the most impressive player so far a 4.96 40 fastest split at 1.76 at 345 pounds. With an almost 85" wingspan . He was Borderline first before this pretty much clinched it today. Giants usually dont go after big guys like this but they have to take a serious look at him

Definitely. (2nd 40 was 5.09, still freakishly good for 345)

I'm also liking the looks of Brown from Troy (tackle feet, low center of gravity, LONG arms)
Looked athletic im going to see if I can find the Clemson Troy game

Raptor22
02-25-2012, 11:01 AM
Cordy Glenn by far the most impressive player so far a 4.96 40 fastest split at 1.76 at 345 pounds. With an almost 85" wingspan . He was Borderline first before this pretty much clinched it today. Giants usually dont go after big guys like this but they have to take a serious look at him

Definitely. (2nd 40 was 5.09, still freakishly good for 345)

I'm also liking the looks of Brown from Troy (tackle feet, low center of gravity, LONG arms)
Looked athletic im going to see if I can find the Clemson Troy game

Mayock was really impressed with Brown's performance against Clemson's line... that would be great to see.

So far DeCastro, Glenn, and Brown have looked the best out there.

BlueSanta
02-25-2012, 11:22 AM
I think Cordy's performance so far has likely put him out of our reach come draft day. You dont get a combination of size, skill, strength and positional versatility at pick 32. If we manage to somehow, we cannot pass it up.

juice33s
02-25-2012, 11:48 AM
If Doug Martin runs a 4.4 does he enter our conversation at 32?

Raptor22
02-25-2012, 11:51 AM
I think Cordy's performance so far has likely put him out of our reach come draft day. You dont get a combination of size, skill, strength and positional versatility at pick 32. If we manage to somehow, we cannot pass it up.


Too soon to say. Prince was drawing comparisons to Revis and was projected anywhere from top 5 to top 10. There's no way the Giants would get even get to think about him at 19.


Besides, we don't really want to fall in love with a guy at the combine... There's also a LOT left to look at. The 2nd group of O Linemen haven't even run yet.

Raptor22
02-25-2012, 11:54 AM
If Doug Martin runs a 4.4 does he enter our conversation at 32?


I doubt it. There's really only one 1st round RB, and that's Richardson, and I could see him falling like Ingram did last year. Maybe not as far, but still. RB isn't a premier position any more, and you can get probowl RB's day 2 or 3.

But then, I'd be surprised if Martin turns a 4.4sec 40 (maybe 4.48) . He might have the best 10yrd split though.

Raptor22
02-25-2012, 12:12 PM
Could you guys keep an eye on Amini for me? I got called in to work early, and I'm going to miss the rest of the day (go! GO! Gadget DVR!). I like the looks of him, and I want to hear how he does on the drills.

could be a 3rd round developmental guy.

Redeyejedi
02-25-2012, 12:42 PM
Michael Brockers 6-7 322 with 35" arms, my god what a Monster. I wish his tape was better. He is a lot on projection.

Fletcher Cox who is my favorite DT 6'4" 298 34 1/2 " arms.
1 gap penetrator in the mold of Nick Fairly that will make plays in the backfield and pressure the QB.

Redeyejedi
02-25-2012, 12:46 PM
Massie did a poor job in the drill.

Matt Mccants looked fantastic in the pass protection drill. been Downloading 2 of his games for over a week . It goes like 2% a day

nycsportzfan
02-25-2012, 12:46 PM
wow, Terrell Manning OLB Nc State weighed in at 237lbs, which is 12lbs more then his listed WT.. I llove that dudes game, but pretty much figured with Jaqauain, we don't need another 225lb LB, but at 237, that certainly changes things..

nycsportzfan
02-25-2012, 12:50 PM
Michael Brockers 6-7 322 with 35" arms, my god what a Monster. I wish his tape was better. He is a lot on projection. Fletcher Cox who is my favorite DT 6'4" 298 34 1/2 " arms. 1 gap penetrator in the mold of Nick Fairly that will make plays in the backfield and pressure the QB. Ya, Cox is my Fave DT as well.. Brockers is freaking a big boy though.. How about Frank Alexander Weighing in at 6ft 4in 270lbs.. That puts him in 4/3 DE category, which possibly could mean us, if value is right..

juice33s
02-25-2012, 12:51 PM
If Doug Martin runs a 4.4 does he enter our conversation at 32?


I doubt it. <font size="4">There's really only one 1st round RB, and that's Richardson,</font> and I could see him falling like Ingram did last year. Maybe not as far, but still. RB isn't a premier position any more, and you can get probowl RB's day 2 or 3.

But then, I'd be surprised if Martin turns a 4.4sec 40 (maybe 4.48) . He might have the best 10yrd split though.

Yeah but if Martin performs on par with with a potential top 10 pick (Richardson) then thats something you have to take notice....I think Martin will have the faster 40 of the two.

Redeyejedi
02-25-2012, 12:56 PM
Been some chatter about Amini Silatolu looked very crisp in the pass protection drill. I thought Mccants looked the best of them all though.

critters
02-25-2012, 12:56 PM
A couple differing opinions. From what I have seen I would put Charles ahead of any TE in regards to making space. He looks like the quickest off the line to me and the quickest out of his breaks. Fleener and Allen are both impressive as well though so I wouldn't say it's by much. I also don't think Charles just goes down with contact but unlike some other TEs he plays in a conference where they know how to play defense and tackle. I've also seen much more of him so I'm probably a bit biased.

If Doug Martin played at Alabama he wouldn't be a first round pick because he would have been second or third string. And again, they play defense in the SEC. I get what you're saying though. I love Doug Martin's potential though and really can't wait to see how his NFL career develops. I wouldn't put him ahead of Wilson or Miller but I can't argue against it either. I've watched way more of them though.

Redeyejedi
02-25-2012, 01:01 PM
A couple differing opinions. From what I have seen I would put Charles ahead of any TE in regards to making space. He looks like the quickest off the line to me and the quickest out of his breaks. Fleener and Allen are both impressive as well though so I wouldn't say it's by much. I also don't think Charles just goes down with contact but unlike some other TEs he plays in a conference where they know how to play defense and tackle. I've also seen much more of him so I'm probably a bit biased.

If Doug Martin played at Alabama he wouldn't be a first round pick because he would have been second or third string. And again, they play defense in the SEC. I get what you're saying though. I love Doug Martin's potential though and really can't wait to see how his NFL career develops. I wouldn't put him ahead of Wilson or Miller but I can't argue against it either. I've watched way more of them though.Depends on what your looking for.Charles is an outstanding receiver just not an in line guy

nycsportzfan
02-25-2012, 01:11 PM
A couple differing opinions. From what I have seen I would put Charles ahead of any TE in regards to making space. He looks like the quickest off the line to me and the quickest out of his breaks. Fleener and Allen are both impressive as well though so I wouldn't say it's by much. I also don't think Charles just goes down with contact but unlike some other TEs he plays in a conference where they know how to play defense and tackle. I've also seen much more of him so I'm probably a bit biased. If Doug Martin played at Alabama he wouldn't be a first round pick because he would have been second or third string. And again, they play defense in the SEC. I get what you're saying though. I love Doug Martin's potential though and really can't wait to see how his NFL career develops. I wouldn't put him ahead of Wilson or Miller but I can't argue against it either. I've watched way more of them though. Oh, i don't know about that... I think Doug Martin would be split the load back at least anywhere he was in the country... It just makes me laugh, because everyone had guys ahead of MJD and Ray Rice as well.. Martin is a straight beast, and if the dude runs a 4.4 at 5ft 9in 223lbs, then jesus!

BlueSanta
02-25-2012, 01:20 PM
I think Cordy's performance so far has likely put him out of our reach come draft day. You dont get a combination of size, skill, strength and positional versatility at pick 32. If we manage to somehow, we cannot pass it up.


Too soon to say. Prince was drawing comparisons to Revis and was projected anywhere from top 5 to top 10. There's no way the Giants would get even get to think about him at 19.


Besides, we don't really want to fall in love with a guy at the combine... There's also a LOT left to look at. The 2nd group of O Linemen haven't even run yet.


Im not falling in love with his at the combine. He has good tape. He has a stellar senior bowl and coming into the combine his 1 question was can he move at that size. Aparently he can move VERY well. His stock will rise.

nycsportzfan
02-25-2012, 02:11 PM
Did Egnew run a 4.53 at his 6ft 5in 253lb frame?

Spizi
02-25-2012, 02:37 PM
does anyone else think that Dwayne Allen looks much faster in the drills than a 4.84 40? He looks fast!

Gmenfan87
02-25-2012, 02:57 PM
does anyone else think that Dwayne Allen looks much faster in the drills than a 4.84 40? He looks fast!

I wouldn't be surprised if there were software that could mesh two films together and watch them both at the same time to see how players compare head to head.

Neverend
02-25-2012, 02:57 PM
does anyone else think that Dwayne Allen looks much faster in the drills than a 4.84 40? He looks fast!

Allen really ran a 4.84 40? Or is that an unofficial time? That would really shock me

BlueSanta
02-25-2012, 03:06 PM
Allen is quicker than fast. He is very agile off the line and out of breaks, but his max speed isnt great.

tonyt830
02-25-2012, 03:07 PM
Did Egnew run a 4.53 at his 6ft 5in 253lb frame?Yeah that was very impressive, even if that 40 time was unofficial.</P>


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tonyt830
02-25-2012, 03:10 PM
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I would not mind Ladarius Green in the 3rd rd maybe? That kid from Oklahoma, Hanna was fast, but dropped a couple in the drills.</P>

critters
02-25-2012, 03:19 PM
His time is listed as 4.62 on NFL.com

Ladarius Green 4.53

michaelkhan3
02-25-2012, 03:24 PM
Did Egnew run a 4.53 at his 6ft 5in 253lb frame?Yeah that was very impressive, even if that 40 time was unofficial.</p>


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Ya the clock is started manually and is electronically stopped when they cross the line

michaelkhan3
02-25-2012, 03:31 PM
Allen's official time looks kinda bad 4.89. The 4.78 they had him at on NFL network was not great but still ok 4.89 is quite bad though.

Still impressed by by Green with a 4.53 Thats probably faster than Alshon Jeffery will run and he is also bigger, I'm not too sure about his route running but he could be good for some team.

Coby Fleener is still my favorite TE I wouldn't take him in the 1st round but He would be great in the 2nd

nycsportzfan
02-25-2012, 03:47 PM
Allen is quicker than fast. He is very agile off the line and out of breaks, but his max speed isnt great.
All u gotta do is look at that tape i put up of him a page or 2 back, and u can see the exlplosion off the line, all though he even looks fast in the open field on a few occasions as well.. His hops are very impressive also... I'd be shocked if hes not a super talent as a pro... He basically was catching passes all over the field and lined up all over as well..

juice33s
02-25-2012, 03:59 PM
Allen is quicker than fast. He is very agile off the line and out of breaks, but his max speed isnt great.
All u gotta do is look at that tape i put up of him a page or 2 back, and u can see the exlplosion off the line, all though he even looks fast in the open field on a few occasions as well.. His hops are very impressive also... I'd be shocked if hes not a super talent as a pro... He basically was catching passes all over the field and lined up all over as well..
Allen is not quick and he is not explosive. His 10 yd split (1.66) tied for the slowest among TE's, his 40 (4.89) was 2nd slowest and his vert (32inch) was 2nd worst. He will not go in the first and probably wont even go in the 2nd

nycsportzfan
02-25-2012, 04:24 PM
Allen is quicker than fast. He is very agile off the line and out of breaks, but his max speed isnt great.
All u gotta do is look at that tape i put up of him a page or 2 back, and u can see the exlplosion off the line, all though he even looks fast in the open field on a few occasions as well.. His hops are very impressive also... I'd be shocked if hes not a super talent as a pro... He basically was catching passes all over the field and lined up all over as well..
Allen is not quick and he is not explosive. His 10 yd split (1.66) tied for the slowest among TE's, his 40 (4.89) was 2nd slowest and his vert (32inch) was 2nd worst. He will not go in the first and probably wont even go in the 2nd
On the field, he most certainly was... keep drafting based on the Combine, and we can call u the Raiders... Hows Darius Heyward Bey and Bruce Campbell and Vern Gholston doing these days? Allen is a super super talented TE that gets it done where it counts most, on the field.. Theres nothing he was gonna do today that was gonna change my mind about Dwayne Allen..

BlueSanta
02-25-2012, 04:30 PM
Allen is quicker than fast. He is very agile off the line and out of breaks, but his max speed isnt great.
All u gotta do is look at that tape i put up of him a page or 2 back, and u can see the exlplosion off the line, all though he even looks fast in the open field on a few occasions as well.. His hops are very impressive also... I'd be shocked if hes not a super talent as a pro... He basically was catching passes all over the field and lined up all over as well..
Allen is not quick and he is not explosive. His 10 yd split (1.66) tied for the slowest among TE's, his 40 (4.89) was 2nd slowest and his vert (32inch) was 2nd worst. He will not go in the first and probably wont even go in the 2nd


And yet, he stood out in the ball drills as well as looking very quick. Even Mayock commented how good he looked. Did you see that crazy sideline catch? It was the best 1 of the TEs today, thats for sure. I do wish he had broken 4.8.

But, He was also top 5 in the 3 cone and the 20 shuttle, which are both all about that short area quickness and ability to get in and out of breaks. He wastes no motion.

juice33s
02-25-2012, 04:37 PM
Allen is quicker than fast. He is very agile off the line and out of breaks, but his max speed isnt great.
All u gotta do is look at that tape i put up of him a page or 2 back, and u can see the exlplosion off the line, all though he even looks fast in the open field on a few occasions as well.. His hops are very impressive also... I'd be shocked if hes not a super talent as a pro... He basically was catching passes all over the field and lined up all over as well..
Allen is not quick and he is not explosive. His 10 yd split (1.66) tied for the slowest among TE's, his 40 (4.89) was 2nd slowest and his vert (32inch) was 2nd worst. He will not go in the first and probably wont even go in the 2nd
On the field, he most certainly was... keep drafting based on the Combine, and we can call u the Raiders... Hows Darius Heyward Bey and Bruce Campbell and Vern Gholston doing these days? Allen is a super super talented TE that gets it done where it counts most, on the field.. Theres nothing he was gonna do today that was gonna change my mind about Dwayne Allen..
You guys need to go back to the tape b/c he looks slow on the field and his combine numbers back that up. And no he is not a "super, super talented TE"...if this was 2010 with Grisham, Gronkowski, Graham, Moeki and Hernandez, Allen would've probably went in the 4th round. Anything but a late 2nd for this guy would be a stretch imo

bLuereverie
02-25-2012, 04:45 PM
40 time's a bit slow, but a 32 inch vertical is not horrible. If it's second worst, then that's a greater testament to the other guys, most of which are converted WRs anyway.

Neverend
02-25-2012, 05:00 PM
*Allen is quicker than fast. He is very agile off the line and out of breaks, but his max speed isnt great.


And it seems that Egnew is faster than quick, heh

Neverend
02-25-2012, 05:03 PM
His 10 yd split (1.66) tied for the slowest among TE's

I am highly, highly disappointed in that. I don't know why him being explosive and quick off the line is being mentioned repeatedly in this thread. Going by that 10-yard split, Allen sounds more of a strider than someone who comes off the line with great explosiveness. If Fleener fully participated in the combine he would have badly outclassed him in numerous categories

rainierjef
02-25-2012, 06:04 PM
fleener is going to run sub 4.5

gmen0820
02-25-2012, 06:54 PM
Wow, Chandler Jones at 6'5 with 35.5 inch arms. Kid just has incredible length.

nycsportzfan
02-25-2012, 07:12 PM
Allen is quicker than fast. He is very agile off the line and out of breaks, but his max speed isnt great.
All u gotta do is look at that tape i put up of him a page or 2 back, and u can see the exlplosion off the line, all though he even looks fast in the open field on a few occasions as well.. His hops are very impressive also... I'd be shocked if hes not a super talent as a pro... He basically was catching passes all over the field and lined up all over as well..
Allen is not quick and he is not explosive. His 10 yd split (1.66) tied for the slowest among TE's, his 40 (4.89) was 2nd slowest and his vert (32inch) was 2nd worst. He will not go in the first and probably wont even go in the 2nd
On the field, he most certainly was... keep drafting based on the Combine, and we can call u the Raiders... Hows Darius Heyward Bey and Bruce Campbell and Vern Gholston doing these days? Allen is a super super talented TE that gets it done where it counts most, on the field.. Theres nothing he was gonna do today that was gonna change my mind about Dwayne Allen..
You guys need to go back to the tape b/c he looks slow on the field and his combine numbers back that up. And no he is not a "super, super talented TE"...if this was 2010 with Grisham, Gronkowski, Graham, Moeki and Hernandez, Allen would've probably went in the 4th round. Anything but a late 2nd for this guy would be a stretch imo
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nycsportzfan
02-25-2012, 07:17 PM
Allen is quicker than fast. He is very agile off the line and out of breaks, but his max speed isnt great.
All u gotta do is look at that tape i put up of him a page or 2 back, and u can see the exlplosion off the line, all though he even looks fast in the open field on a few occasions as well.. His hops are very impressive also... I'd be shocked if hes not a super talent as a pro... He basically was catching passes all over the field and lined up all over as well..
Allen is not quick and he is not explosive. His 10 yd split (1.66) tied for the slowest among TE's, his 40 (4.89) was 2nd slowest and his vert (32inch) was 2nd worst. He will not go in the first and probably wont even go in the 2nd
On the field, he most certainly was... keep drafting based on the Combine, and we can call u the Raiders... Hows Darius Heyward Bey and Bruce Campbell and Vern Gholston doing these days? Allen is a super super talented TE that gets it done where it counts most, on the field.. Theres nothing he was gonna do today that was gonna change my mind about Dwayne Allen..
You guys need to go back to the tape b/c he looks slow on the field and his combine numbers back that up. And no he is not a "super, super talented TE"...if this was 2010 with Grisham, Gronkowski, Graham, Moeki and Hernandez, Allen would've probably went in the 4th round. Anything but a late 2nd for this guy would be a stretch imo
Look at 42seconds in and 1min 47seconds in and u get awesome looks at his release, and its pretty darn fast... Not to mention, hes just good.. He makes great catches, and uses his hands really well, and has shown a bunch a times the ability to go up high to snatch a ball, and hes been solid in run blocking... THe guys good..

nycsportzfan
02-25-2012, 07:20 PM
Allen is quicker than fast. He is very agile off the line and out of breaks, but his max speed isnt great.
And it seems that Egnew is faster than quick, heh Egnew has had to raise his stock a tad at the combine, with his measurables and 40time, to go with a gazillion catches at mizzo.. He needed some positive attention at this combine... Not everyone is in dire need of a great combine, but Egnews stock took a hit this season, adn he needs to remind people of why he was talked about as one of the best, if not theee best TE coming into 2012

nycsportzfan
02-25-2012, 07:25 PM
Was anyone as impressed and amped up about Frank Alexanders measurables? 35inch long arms, and weighing in at 270lbs! I love Frank Alexander, but thought he'd have to be a olb in a 4/3, but now that changes totally.. I'd take Alexander with my 2nd rder possibly, if the value was right...

nycsportzfan
02-25-2012, 07:37 PM
Its funny when discussing prospects sometimes.. U got Dwayne Allen who dosen't have outstanding combine numbers, but was really good catching the ball, and using his hands, making a sweet catch on the sidelines, and then u got Orson Charles, who killed it with his measuarables and bench press numbers, but then bumbled through the gauntlet and had a bad drop and ran a couple of bad routes(per walt footballs analaysis).. So much to take in, when evaluating anyone...

tonyt830
02-25-2012, 09:16 PM
Anyone have thoughts or opinions on the tackle from Rutgers, Desmond Wynn? I thought he looked decent.</P>


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heavyhitter
02-25-2012, 10:50 PM
I am glad to see Chris Polk took to heart some of the criticism he recieved at the senior bowl. He came in to the combine 10 Lbs lighter.


Those 8 inch hands are gonna hurt Tauren Poole a bit. On the same note, those 10'1/8 inch hands are gonna help Mohamed Sanu and those 10' 1/4 inchers on Alshon are gonna impress.


I like Chris Polk's running game, anxious to see how he pans out in the NFL (should be a good one).

nycsportzfan
02-26-2012, 12:26 AM
Anyone have thoughts or opinions on the tackle from Rutgers, Desmond Wynn? I thought he looked decent.</P>


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Maybe a 5th or 6th rd prospect? </P> I've seen his name around, but don't know anything about em.. Walter Football gave em a shout out today as well.. We'll have to keep a eye on em.. I'm interested in Tom Compton OT S Dakota St.. Great Measurables, and a solid 40time, and decent arm length, but weak competiton and no tape to watch.... I'm intersted in that kid...

nycsportzfan
02-26-2012, 12:34 AM
I am glad to see Chris Polk took to heart some of the criticism he recieved at the senior bowl. He came in to the combine 10 Lbs lighter.


Those 8 inch hands are gonna hurt Tauren Poole a bit. On the same note, those 10'1/8 inch hands are gonna help Mohamed Sanu and those 10' 1/4 inchers on Alshon are gonna impress.


I like Chris Polk's running game, anxious to see how he pans out in the NFL (should be a good one). ya Polk was my number 2 personal ranked RB toward the midway part of the season, and i let the Sr Bowl performance sway me some, but i still like em alot, and i'd be fine if Giants took em in RD 2, all though my main man is Doug Martin.. I freaking love Doug Martin..

tonyt830
02-26-2012, 12:42 AM
Nyc, I look forward to the RBs and WRs tomorrow morning! I like Martin as well. But the RB class is deep this year.</P>


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I know Richardson is the top of the class, but after that I like, in no particular order, Wilson, Martin, Polk, Pead, and Miller. In my only pre-combine mock I had the Giants taking Turbin in the 4th rd.</P>


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tonyt830
02-26-2012, 12:44 AM
Anyone have thoughts or opinions on the tackle from Rutgers, Desmond Wynn? I thought he looked decent.</P>


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Maybe a 5th or 6th rd prospect? </P> I've seen his name around, but don't know anything about em.. Walter Football gave em a shout out today as well.. We'll have to keep a eye on em.. I'm interested in Tom Compton OT S Dakota St.. Great Measurables, and a solid 40time, and decent arm length, but weak competiton and no tape to watch.... I'm intersted in that kid...yeah when you start getting Div 1AA, and especially Div 2 and 3 players, the level of competition comments will be brought up.

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 02:52 AM
Please let us get out hands on <font size="3">Doug Martin RB Boise St</font>!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. <font size="3">Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings..</font>.<font size="2">Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson have got the edge over Martin IMO.</font>
not to me they don't.. <font size="3">Not even close really.. I'm not that high on either Lamar Miller or David Wilson,</font> all though i'd certainly be intrigued if we were to get em... Doug Martin is a do everything back, who can retrun kicks, as well as be a ray rice type potent reciever outta the backfield, and hes got the kinda build i love for the pro game .. <font size="3">I think if Doug Martin played at Florida or Bama, he'd be a sure 1st rd pick, and to be bluntly honest, i won't be surprised if hes the 2nd RB taken in this draft,</font> as hes that good..<font size="2">First off, I like Doug Martin, but he's not on a Lamar Miller or David Wilson type level. Hell, I think Chris Polk may have the edge over Martin and end up being a more productive RB at the next level. Polk isn't a burner like Wilson &amp; Miller but he's got great hands and plays hard. Doug Martin is similar to MJD (not as fast) and will fit in all types of systems, Shotgun, spread, run-heavy, ect. One of the networks compared Martin to Ahmad Bradshaw &amp; I have to agree. Martin isn't a guy you're gonna build your offense around like you would w/ Richardson, Wilson, Miller, ect. Those 3 guys can handle a heavy workload &amp; carry the ball 20 plus times a game. I don't see that w/ Martin at the next level. He'll fit in nicely as a solid complementary back as part of a rotation IMO. With that said, I wouldn't mind the Giants drafting anyone of these studs! This RB class is pretty deep-
(no order)
1) Trent Richardson
2) David Wilson
3) Lamar Miller
4) Doug Martin
5) Chris Polk
6) LaMichael James
7) Bernard Pierce
8) Isaiah Pead
9) Cyrus Gray
10) Robert Turpin
11) Ronnie Hillman
12) Tauren Poole
13) Chris Rainey
14) Darrell Scott
15) Daniel Herron</font>

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 03:33 AM
Allen's official time looks kinda bad 4.89. The 4.78 they had him at on NFL network was not great but still ok 4.89 is quite bad though.

Still impressed by by Green with a 4.53 Thats probably faster than Alshon Jeffery will run and he is also bigger, I'm not too sure about his route running but he could be good for some team.

Coby Fleener is still my favorite TE I wouldn't take him in the 1st round but He would be great in the 2nd
<font size="2">Dwayne Allen = Hands of glue</font>

Redeyejedi
02-26-2012, 10:05 AM
4.41 Robert Griffin

bLuereverie
02-26-2012, 10:07 AM
4.41 Robert Griffin

Impressive, but I'd like to fastforward to WRs already.

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 10:13 AM
<font size="2">I'm ready to see these RB's and WR's</font>

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 10:21 AM
<font size="2">RG3 4.38 on his 2nd attempt, wow! Not really surprising though, guys a hell of an athlete/QB. </font>

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 10:23 AM
<font size="2">Benjamin should run a fast 40. Remember watching him in HS play against Janoris Jenkins. Glades vs Pahokee</font>

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 10:32 AM
<font size="2">Joe Adams ran a 4.53? Michael Floyd just ran a 4.42, 1st round receiver</font>

Redeyejedi
02-26-2012, 10:35 AM
S Hill with the 4.3 flat by far the fastest so far

Redeyejedi
02-26-2012, 10:36 AM
<font size="2">Joe Adams ran a 4.53? Michael Floyd just ran a 4.42, 1st round receiver</font>
Adams had a very poor start. He is much faster then that

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 10:38 AM
<font size="2">Joe Adams ran a 4.53? Michael Floyd just ran a 4.42, 1st round receiver</font>
Adams had a very poor start. He is much faster then thatYeah, I thought he was too, 2nd attempt should be much better.

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 10:42 AM
<font size="2">Stephen Hill, GT, 6"4, 215 lbs, 4.3 40, WOW!! Kid just boosted up the charts &amp; made money. These GT WR's have been very impressive over the past few years for playing in a triple option offense.</font>

Seducer
02-26-2012, 11:20 AM
<font size="2">Stephen Hill, GT, 6"4, 215 lbs, 4.3 40, WOW!! Kid just boosted up the charts &amp; made money. These GT WR's have been very impressive over the past few years for playing in a triple option offense.</font>


Seemed to catch the ball well too

BluGiantPies
02-26-2012, 11:20 AM
<font size="2">Stephen Hill, GT, 6"4, 215 lbs, 4.3 40, WOW!! Kid just boosted up the charts & made money. These GT WR's have been very impressive over the past few years for playing in a triple option offense.</font>
his ten yard was 1.2 just insane.

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 11:42 AM
<font size="2">Stephen Hill, GT, 6"4, 215 lbs, 4.3 40, WOW!! Kid just boosted up the charts &amp; made money. These GT WR's have been very impressive over the past few years for playing in a triple option offense.</font>


Seemed to catch the ball well too
<font size="2">Yep, out of all these receivers today, Stephen Hill &amp; Michael Floyd have been the most impressive during drills up to this point. For a top 5 overall pick, Blackmon hasn't looked the sharpest.</font>

Voldamort
02-26-2012, 11:52 AM
I'm surprised how heavy Orson Charles weighed in at 251.....The guys only 6'2" buts all muscle and is probably the most athletic TE in the draft.

I could see him being a devastatingly effective FB/H-back/TE/slot receiver at the next level. There are so many different looks you can give with that guy and really adds a unique dimension to the offense.

Right now I still have FLeener at #1, but imo when the combine is said and done Charles will have over taken Allen at #2
Can get him in the second round?

juice33s
02-26-2012, 11:54 AM
I'm surprised how heavy Orson Charles weighed in at 251.....The guys only 6'2" buts all muscle and is probably the most athletic TE in the draft.

I could see him being a devastatingly effective FB/H-back/TE/slot receiver at the next level. There are so many different looks you can give with that guy and really adds a unique dimension to the offense.

Right now I still have FLeener at #1, but imo when the combine is said and done Charles will have over taken Allen at #2
Can get him in the second round?
Orson Charles hurt himself by not fully participating in the combine and Allen hurt himself by participating, 1 of the 2 will probably be available at 64 and Charles pro day will go a long way in deciding which one

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 12:01 PM
<font size="2">What's up w/ Alshon Jeffrey not running or participating in drills? </font>

critters
02-26-2012, 12:17 PM
Adams is listed as having a 4.44 so that didn't hurt how highly I have him rated.

A guy I've been talking about a lot, BJ Cunningham ran a 4.47 which is pretty good for his size.

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 12:21 PM
<font size="2">Done w/ the 1st group of WR's. Most people knock the ACC, but the top 5 receiver 40 times all came from ACC teams. I'm still kinda surprised w/ what Joe Adams ran</font>

nycsportzfan
02-26-2012, 12:45 PM
Adams is listed as having a 4.44 so that didn't hurt how highly I have him rated. A guy I've been talking about a lot, BJ Cunningham ran a 4.47 which is pretty good for his size. If Cunningham ran a 4.47 its huge for him, because speed was a knock on him... I've also brought him up a handful of times as a WR i'd not mind having and a guy kinda over looked who has a chance to be pretty solid as a pro..

nycsportzfan
02-26-2012, 01:00 PM
and what do u know, Doug Martin again impresses by tying for lead in the Bench press for RB's... Dudes a beast, and thats why hes my 2nd rated RB ... Hes freaking awesome

nycsportzfan
02-26-2012, 01:05 PM
Please let us get out hands on <FONT size=3>Doug Martin RB Boise St</FONT>!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. <FONT size=3>Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings..</FONT>.<FONT size=2>Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson have got the edge over Martin IMO.</FONT>
not to me they don't.. <FONT size=3>Not even close really.. I'm not that high on either Lamar Miller or David Wilson,</FONT> all though i'd certainly be intrigued if we were to get em... Doug Martin is a do everything back, who can retrun kicks, as well as be a ray rice type potent reciever outta the backfield, and hes got the kinda build i love for the pro game .. <FONT size=3>I think if Doug Martin played at Florida or Bama, he'd be a sure 1st rd pick, and to be bluntly honest, i won't be surprised if hes the 2nd RB taken in this draft,</FONT> as hes that good..<FONT size=2>First off, I like Doug Martin, but he's not on a Lamar Miller or David Wilson type level. Hell, I think Chris Polk may have the edge over Martin and end up being a more productive RB at the next level. Polk isn't a burner like Wilson &amp; Miller but he's got great hands and plays hard. Doug Martin is similar to MJD (not as fast) and will fit in all types of systems, Shotgun, spread, run-heavy, ect. One of the networks compared Martin to Ahmad Bradshaw &amp; I have to agree. Martin isn't a guy you're gonna build your offense around like you would w/ Richardson, Wilson, Miller, ect. Those 3 guys can handle a heavy workload &amp; carry the ball 20 plus times a game. I don't see that w/ Martin at the next level. He'll fit in nicely as a solid complementary back as part of a rotation IMO. With that said, I wouldn't mind the Giants drafting anyone of these studs! This RB class is pretty deep-
(no order)
1) Trent Richardson
2) David Wilson
3) Lamar Miller
4) Doug Martin
5) Chris Polk
6) LaMichael James
7) Bernard Pierce
8) Isaiah Pead
9) Cyrus Gray
10) Robert Turpin
11) Ronnie Hillman
12) Tauren Poole
13) Chris Rainey
14) Darrell Scott
15) Daniel Herron</FONT>
They said the same thing about MJD and Ray Rice when they slipped to the 2nd rd, and i said the same thing about Ray Rice the yr he came out.. I'll take Doug Martin as the 2nd best RB in this class, and hes pretty darn fast as well... Hes been outstanding on the field, at the Sr Bowl, and now hes making noise at the combine, tying for the high on the bench press for RB's... Hes a beast...

tonyt830
02-26-2012, 01:12 PM
good morning/afternoon gents!</P>


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Floyd looked like great today all around! I was surprised that Sanu ran a 4.65 his first time around. But he does have size and big hands. Blackmon didnt look great in the drills. </P>


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I know he has had concussion issues at Stanford, but Owusu was fast on his first 40. But I dont know much about Hill from Ga. tech, but he looked good as well. I guess its tough to gauge him since he came from that triple option offense.</P>

tonyt830
02-26-2012, 01:14 PM
<FONT size=2>What's up w/ Alshon Jeffrey not running or participating in drills? </FONT>
he lost the weight, figuring he was going to run. They said that he was not injured. Blackmon did not run(medical), but at least he participated in the drills.

michaelkhan3
02-26-2012, 01:18 PM
I just came in and saw Tommy Streeter's 40 time and my mind was blown

tonyt830
02-26-2012, 01:20 PM
Yeah Streeter was fast for a man his size. I want to of course see how well he looks in the drills.

nycsportzfan
02-26-2012, 01:21 PM
good morning/afternoon gents!</P>


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Floyd looked like great today all around! I was surprised that Sanu ran a 4.65 his first time around. But he does have size and big hands. Blackmon didnt look great in the drills. </P>


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I know he has had concussion issues at Stanford, but Owusu was fast on his first 40. But I dont know much about Hill from Ga. tech, but he looked good as well. I guess its tough to gauge him since he came from that triple option offense.</P> Greg Childs is a guy i like..

tonyt830
02-26-2012, 01:26 PM
Yeah nyc, Childs was on my list of WRs that I wanted to keep an eye on. He did drop a few in the drills. He might be a 5th rd prospect?</P>


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And Cunningham was mentioned a few posts ago. He is another that I will keep my eye on.</P>

nycsportzfan
02-26-2012, 01:30 PM
Yeah nyc, Childs was on my list of WRs that I wanted to keep an eye on. He did drop a few in the drills. He might be a 5th rd prospect?</P>


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And Cunningham was mentioned a few posts ago. He is another that I will keep my eye on.</P> Ya, I was thinking Childs in the rd 5-6 range.. Cunningham is gonna be interesting to see where he goes, as people worried about his speed, but now that hes got a nice 40time to his credit, to go with great on field production, he could got a bit earlier then expected...

Redeyejedi
02-26-2012, 01:36 PM
Janoris Jenkins tells media he has four kids. Janoris Jenkins Jr, Legend, Janorian and Paris

tonyt830
02-26-2012, 01:40 PM
Yeah nyc, Childs was on my list of WRs that I wanted to keep an eye on. He did drop a few in the drills. He might be a 5th rd prospect?</P>


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And Cunningham was mentioned a few posts ago. He is another that I will keep my eye on.</P>


Ya, I was thinking Childs in the rd 5-6 range.. Cunningham is gonna be interesting to see where he goes, as people worried about his speed, but now that hes got a nice 40time to his credit, to go with great on field production, he could got a bit earlier then expected...another WR that caught my eye was that Brazill from Ohio---what are your thoughts on him nyc?</P>


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Another bigger WR that looked good was Criner from Arizona. Both Va Tech wrs looked pretty solid as well, in Boykin and Coale</P>

tonyt830
02-26-2012, 01:41 PM
Janoris Jenkins tells media he has four kids. Janoris Jenkins Jr, Legend, Janorian and Parisdamn! LOL!! Is he trying to get up to the Cromartie or Travis Henry status?

bLuereverie
02-26-2012, 01:44 PM
Janoris Jenkins tells media he has four kids. Janoris Jenkins Jr, Legend, Janorian and Paris

If I hadn't already read it in a combine presser, I would have thought it was a joke with those names. Now I really hope Dallas picks him.

nycsportzfan
02-26-2012, 01:51 PM
Yeah nyc, Childs was on my list of WRs that I wanted to keep an eye on. He did drop a few in the drills. He might be a 5th rd prospect?</P>


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And Cunningham was mentioned a few posts ago. He is another that I will keep my eye on.</P>


Ya, I was thinking Childs in the rd 5-6 range.. Cunningham is gonna be interesting to see where he goes, as people worried about his speed, but now that hes got a nice 40time to his credit, to go with great on field production, he could got a bit earlier then expected...another WR that caught my eye was that Brazill from Ohio---what are your thoughts on him nyc?</P>


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Another bigger WR that looked good was Criner from Arizona. Both Va Tech wrs looked pretty solid as well, in Boykin and Coale</P> I absoulutley love criner as most know.. Also in a underrated thread i made awhile back, i had marvin mcnutt on that list, and here he is running a sub 4.5 at 6ft 3in 216lbs.. I must tell you though, i think the wr class and rb class this yr are riidculously deep, hence i like a ton of em, but Criner and Mcnutt are 2of my favorites...

Redeyejedi
02-26-2012, 01:56 PM
Janoris Jenkins tells media he has four kids. Janoris Jenkins Jr, Legend, Janorian and Parisdamn!* LOL!!* Is he trying to get up to the Cromartie or Travis Henry status?I bet a lot of teams removed him from there board. Jenkins is great on tape but he is obviously not very bright. Also I "?" how much dedication he has. If he got thrown out of Florida. His meal ticket for those kids. How much can u really depend on that guy

tonyt830
02-26-2012, 02:01 PM
Janoris Jenkins tells media he has four kids. Janoris Jenkins Jr, Legend, Janorian and Parisdamn! LOL!! Is he trying to get up to the Cromartie or Travis Henry status?I bet a lot of teams removed him from there board. Jenkins is great on tape but he is obviously not very bright. Also I "?" how much dedication he has. If he got thrown out of Florida. His meal ticket for those kids. How much can u really depend on that guywell redeye, I agree, he might not be the brightest bulb in the box. But if he performs well at the combine and keeps his nose clean between now and the draft, someone will snag him in the 1st rd.</P>


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bLuereverie
02-26-2012, 02:32 PM
All it takes is one team to take that chance. I think Cincy after losing Johnathan Joseph will take a shot. They don't exactly have a roster filled with boy scouts.

BluGiantPies
02-26-2012, 02:34 PM
Yeah nyc, Childs was on my list of WRs that I wanted to keep an eye on.* He did drop a few in the drills.* He might be a 5th rd prospect?</P>


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And Cunningham was mentioned a few posts ago.* He is another that I will keep my eye on.</P>* Ya,** I was thinking Childs in the rd 5-6 range..** Cunningham is gonna be interesting to see where he goes, as people worried about his speed, but now that hes got a nice 40time to his credit, to go with great on field production, he could got a bit earlier then expected...* knock on Cunningham is he had the smallest hands of any wide receiver that's gonna hurt his stock a bit.

michaelkhan3
02-26-2012, 02:37 PM
Janoris Jenkins tells media he has four kids. Janoris Jenkins Jr, Legend, Janorian and Parisdamn! LOL!! Is he trying to get up to the Cromartie or Travis Henry status?I bet a lot of teams removed him from there board. Jenkins is great on tape but he is obviously not very bright. Also I "?" how much dedication he has. If he got thrown out of Florida. His meal ticket for those kids. How much can u really depend on that guy

I understand some teams might not have him on the board because of some stuff he did but not for having 4 kids that has nothing to do with football

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 03:04 PM
Please let us get out hands on <font size="3">Doug Martin RB Boise St</font>!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. <font size="3">Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings..</font>.<font size="2">Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson have got the edge over Martin IMO.</font>
not to me they don't.. <font size="3">Not even close really.. I'm not that high on either Lamar Miller or David Wilson,</font> all though i'd certainly be intrigued if we were to get em... Doug Martin is a do everything back, who can retrun kicks, as well as be a ray rice type potent reciever outta the backfield, and hes got the kinda build i love for the pro game .. <font size="3">I think if Doug Martin played at Florida or Bama, he'd be a sure 1st rd pick, and to be bluntly honest, i won't be surprised if hes the 2nd RB taken in this draft,</font> as hes that good..<font size="2">First off, I like Doug Martin, but he's not on a Lamar Miller or David Wilson type level. Hell, I think Chris Polk may have the edge over Martin and end up being a more productive RB at the next level. Polk isn't a burner like Wilson &amp; Miller but he's got great hands and plays hard. Doug Martin is similar to MJD (not as fast) and will fit in all types of systems, Shotgun, spread, run-heavy, ect. One of the networks compared Martin to Ahmad Bradshaw &amp; I have to agree. Martin isn't a guy you're gonna build your offense around like you would w/ Richardson, Wilson, Miller, ect. Those 3 guys can handle a heavy workload &amp; carry the ball 20 plus times a game. I don't see that w/ Martin at the next level. He'll fit in nicely as a solid complementary back as part of a rotation IMO. With that said, I wouldn't mind the Giants drafting anyone of these studs! This RB class is pretty deep-
(no order)
1) Trent Richardson
2) David Wilson
3) Lamar Miller
4) Doug Martin
5) Chris Polk
6) LaMichael James
7) Bernard Pierce
8) Isaiah Pead
9) Cyrus Gray
10) Robert Turpin
11) Ronnie Hillman
12) Tauren Poole
13) Chris Rainey
14) Darrell Scott
15) Daniel Herron</font>
<font size="4">They </font>said the same thing about MJD and Ray Rice when they slipped to the 2nd rd, and i said the same thing about Ray Rice the yr he came out.. I'll take Doug Martin as the 2nd best RB in this class, and hes pretty darn fast as well... Hes been outstanding on the field, at the Sr Bowl, and now hes making noise at the combine, tying for the high on the bench press for RB's... Hes a beast...<font size="2">Who is they?</font>

michaelkhan3
02-26-2012, 03:09 PM
Chris Raney looked bad and still ran a 4.37 id say he gets a lot lower than that his next run

gmen0820
02-26-2012, 03:10 PM
Rainey and James tied at 4.37.

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 03:23 PM
<font size="2">What's up w/ Alshon Jeffrey not running or participating in drills? </font>
he lost the weight, figuring he was going to run. They said that he was not injured. Blackmon did not run(medical), but at least he participated in the drills.<font size="2">He showed up in good shape, he's healthy, he should have ran. </font>

nycsportzfan
02-26-2012, 03:25 PM
Please let us get out hands on <FONT size=3>Doug Martin RB Boise St</FONT>!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. <FONT size=3>Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings..</FONT>.<FONT size=2>Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson have got the edge over Martin IMO.</FONT>
not to me they don't.. <FONT size=3>Not even close really.. I'm not that high on either Lamar Miller or David Wilson,</FONT> all though i'd certainly be intrigued if we were to get em... Doug Martin is a do everything back, who can retrun kicks, as well as be a ray rice type potent reciever outta the backfield, and hes got the kinda build i love for the pro game .. <FONT size=3>I think if Doug Martin played at Florida or Bama, he'd be a sure 1st rd pick, and to be bluntly honest, i won't be surprised if hes the 2nd RB taken in this draft,</FONT> as hes that good..<FONT size=2>First off, I like Doug Martin, but he's not on a Lamar Miller or David Wilson type level. Hell, I think Chris Polk may have the edge over Martin and end up being a more productive RB at the next level. Polk isn't a burner like Wilson &amp; Miller but he's got great hands and plays hard. Doug Martin is similar to MJD (not as fast) and will fit in all types of systems, Shotgun, spread, run-heavy, ect. One of the networks compared Martin to Ahmad Bradshaw &amp; I have to agree. Martin isn't a guy you're gonna build your offense around like you would w/ Richardson, Wilson, Miller, ect. Those 3 guys can handle a heavy workload &amp; carry the ball 20 plus times a game. I don't see that w/ Martin at the next level. He'll fit in nicely as a solid complementary back as part of a rotation IMO. With that said, I wouldn't mind the Giants drafting anyone of these studs! This RB class is pretty deep-
(no order)
1) Trent Richardson
2) David Wilson
3) Lamar Miller
4) Doug Martin
5) Chris Polk
6) LaMichael James
7) Bernard Pierce
8) Isaiah Pead
9) Cyrus Gray
10) Robert Turpin
11) Ronnie Hillman
12) Tauren Poole
13) Chris Rainey
14) Darrell Scott
15) Daniel Herron</FONT>
<FONT size=4>They </FONT>said the same thing about MJD and Ray Rice when they slipped to the 2nd rd, and i said the same thing about Ray Rice the yr he came out.. I'll take Doug Martin as the 2nd best RB in this class, and hes pretty darn fast as well... Hes been outstanding on the field, at the Sr Bowl, and now hes making noise at the combine, tying for the high on the bench press for RB's... Hes a beast...<FONT size=2>Who is they?</FONT>
THEY is the people that let MJD and Ray Rice go into the RD 2 area, because there was no way they were better then guys like Mendenhall, Felix Jones, and Jamal Charles, and for MJD, guys like Deangelo Williams, Joseph Addai and Lendale White.. Thats who "THEY" are...

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 03:26 PM
<font size="2">I think Miller and Wilson are faster than what their 40 times show ( 4.38 and 4.40). Same w/ Chris Rainey (4.37)</font>

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 03:29 PM
Please let us get out hands on <font size="3">Doug Martin RB Boise St</font>!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. <font size="3">Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings..</font>.<font size="2">Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson have got the edge over Martin IMO.</font>
not to me they don't.. <font size="3">Not even close really.. I'm not that high on either Lamar Miller or David Wilson,</font> all though i'd certainly be intrigued if we were to get em... Doug Martin is a do everything back, who can retrun kicks, as well as be a ray rice type potent reciever outta the backfield, and hes got the kinda build i love for the pro game .. <font size="3">I think if Doug Martin played at Florida or Bama, he'd be a sure 1st rd pick, and to be bluntly honest, i won't be surprised if hes the 2nd RB taken in this draft,</font> as hes that good..<font size="2">First off, I like Doug Martin, but he's not on a Lamar Miller or David Wilson type level. Hell, I think Chris Polk may have the edge over Martin and end up being a more productive RB at the next level. Polk isn't a burner like Wilson &amp; Miller but he's got great hands and plays hard. Doug Martin is similar to MJD (not as fast) and will fit in all types of systems, Shotgun, spread, run-heavy, ect. One of the networks compared Martin to Ahmad Bradshaw &amp; I have to agree. Martin isn't a guy you're gonna build your offense around like you would w/ Richardson, Wilson, Miller, ect. Those 3 guys can handle a heavy workload &amp; carry the ball 20 plus times a game. I don't see that w/ Martin at the next level. He'll fit in nicely as a solid complementary back as part of a rotation IMO. With that said, I wouldn't mind the Giants drafting anyone of these studs! This RB class is pretty deep-
(no order)
1) Trent Richardson
2) David Wilson
3) Lamar Miller
4) Doug Martin
5) Chris Polk
6) LaMichael James
7) Bernard Pierce
8) Isaiah Pead
9) Cyrus Gray
10) Robert Turpin
11) Ronnie Hillman
12) Tauren Poole
13) Chris Rainey
14) Darrell Scott
15) Daniel Herron</font>
<font size="4">They </font>said the same thing about MJD and Ray Rice when they slipped to the 2nd rd, and i said the same thing about Ray Rice the yr he came out.. I'll take Doug Martin as the 2nd best RB in this class, and hes pretty darn fast as well... Hes been outstanding on the field, at the Sr Bowl, and now hes making noise at the combine, tying for the high on the bench press for RB's... Hes a beast...<font size="2">Who is they?</font>
THEY is the people that let MJD and Ray Rice go into the RD 2 area, because there was no way they were better then guys like Mendenhall, Felix Jones, and Jamal Charles, and for MJD, guys like Deangelo Williams, Joseph Addai and Lendale White.. Thats who "THEY" are...<font size="2">So "THEY" means NFL teams in general?</font>

nycsportzfan
02-26-2012, 03:38 PM
Please let us get out hands on <FONT size=3>Doug Martin RB Boise St</FONT>!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. <FONT size=3>Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings..</FONT>.<FONT size=2>Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson have got the edge over Martin IMO.</FONT>
not to me they don't.. <FONT size=3>Not even close really.. I'm not that high on either Lamar Miller or David Wilson,</FONT> all though i'd certainly be intrigued if we were to get em... Doug Martin is a do everything back, who can retrun kicks, as well as be a ray rice type potent reciever outta the backfield, and hes got the kinda build i love for the pro game .. <FONT size=3>I think if Doug Martin played at Florida or Bama, he'd be a sure 1st rd pick, and to be bluntly honest, i won't be surprised if hes the 2nd RB taken in this draft,</FONT> as hes that good..<FONT size=2>First off, I like Doug Martin, but he's not on a Lamar Miller or David Wilson type level. Hell, I think Chris Polk may have the edge over Martin and end up being a more productive RB at the next level. Polk isn't a burner like Wilson &amp; Miller but he's got great hands and plays hard. Doug Martin is similar to MJD (not as fast) and will fit in all types of systems, Shotgun, spread, run-heavy, ect. One of the networks compared Martin to Ahmad Bradshaw &amp; I have to agree. Martin isn't a guy you're gonna build your offense around like you would w/ Richardson, Wilson, Miller, ect. Those 3 guys can handle a heavy workload &amp; carry the ball 20 plus times a game. I don't see that w/ Martin at the next level. He'll fit in nicely as a solid complementary back as part of a rotation IMO. With that said, I wouldn't mind the Giants drafting anyone of these studs! This RB class is pretty deep-
(no order)
1) Trent Richardson
2) David Wilson
3) Lamar Miller
4) Doug Martin
5) Chris Polk
6) LaMichael James
7) Bernard Pierce
8) Isaiah Pead
9) Cyrus Gray
10) Robert Turpin
11) Ronnie Hillman
12) Tauren Poole
13) Chris Rainey
14) Darrell Scott
15) Daniel Herron</FONT>
<FONT size=4>They </FONT>said the same thing about MJD and Ray Rice when they slipped to the 2nd rd, and i said the same thing about Ray Rice the yr he came out.. I'll take Doug Martin as the 2nd best RB in this class, and hes pretty darn fast as well... Hes been outstanding on the field, at the Sr Bowl, and now hes making noise at the combine, tying for the high on the bench press for RB's... Hes a beast...<FONT size=2>Who is they?</FONT>
THEY is the people that let MJD and Ray Rice go into the RD 2 area, because there was no way they were better then guys like Mendenhall, Felix Jones, and Jamal Charles, and for MJD, guys like Deangelo Williams, Joseph Addai and Lendale White.. Thats who "THEY" are...<FONT size=2>So "THEY" means NFL teams in general?</FONT>
And most So called "draft experts" as well.... Another words, its not always just the "rankings" must be right.. Just watch and look at Doug Martin, and its pretty easy to see hes gonna be a good one..

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 03:42 PM
I just came in and saw Tommy Streeter's 40 time and my <font size="3">mind was blown</font>
<font size="2">That's how them guys roll at "THE U" lol, I thought you knew</font>
http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z46/kcochran777/mind-blown-o.gif

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 03:52 PM
Please let us get out hands on <font size="3">Doug Martin RB Boise St</font>!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. <font size="3">Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings..</font>.<font size="2">Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson have got the edge over Martin IMO.</font>
not to me they don't.. <font size="3">Not even close really.. I'm not that high on either Lamar Miller or David Wilson,</font> all though i'd certainly be intrigued if we were to get em... Doug Martin is a do everything back, who can retrun kicks, as well as be a ray rice type potent reciever outta the backfield, and hes got the kinda build i love for the pro game .. <font size="3">I think if Doug Martin played at Florida or Bama, he'd be a sure 1st rd pick, and to be bluntly honest, i won't be surprised if hes the 2nd RB taken in this draft,</font> as hes that good..<font size="2">First off, I like Doug Martin, but he's not on a Lamar Miller or David Wilson type level. Hell, I think Chris Polk may have the edge over Martin and end up being a more productive RB at the next level. Polk isn't a burner like Wilson &amp; Miller but he's got great hands and plays hard. Doug Martin is similar to MJD (not as fast) and will fit in all types of systems, Shotgun, spread, run-heavy, ect. One of the networks compared Martin to Ahmad Bradshaw &amp; I have to agree. Martin isn't a guy you're gonna build your offense around like you would w/ Richardson, Wilson, Miller, ect. Those 3 guys can handle a heavy workload &amp; carry the ball 20 plus times a game. I don't see that w/ Martin at the next level. He'll fit in nicely as a solid complementary back as part of a rotation IMO. With that said, I wouldn't mind the Giants drafting anyone of these studs! This RB class is pretty deep-
(no order)
1) Trent Richardson
2) David Wilson
3) Lamar Miller
4) Doug Martin
5) Chris Polk
6) LaMichael James
7) Bernard Pierce
8) Isaiah Pead
9) Cyrus Gray
10) Robert Turpin
11) Ronnie Hillman
12) Tauren Poole
13) Chris Rainey
14) Darrell Scott
15) Daniel Herron</font>
<font size="4">They </font>said the same thing about MJD and Ray Rice when they slipped to the 2nd rd, and i said the same thing about Ray Rice the yr he came out.. I'll take Doug Martin as the 2nd best RB in this class, and hes pretty darn fast as well... Hes been outstanding on the field, at the Sr Bowl, and now hes making noise at the combine, tying for the high on the bench press for RB's... Hes a beast...<font size="2">Who is they?</font>
THEY is the people that let MJD and Ray Rice go into the RD 2 area, because there was no way they were better then guys like Mendenhall, Felix Jones, and Jamal Charles, and for MJD, guys like Deangelo Williams, Joseph Addai and Lendale White.. Thats who "THEY" are...<font size="2">So "THEY" means NFL teams in general?</font>
And most So called "draft experts" as well.... Another words, its not always just the "rankings" must be right.. Just watch and look at Doug Martin, and its pretty easy to see hes gonna be a good one..<font size="2">There's no question he's got all the tools to be a good back at the next level, my thing is HOW GOOD WILL HE BE? I know you have him in your "personal rankings" as the #2 RB in the draft. I like Doug Martin, but I think there's a couple guys ahead of him in terms of talent. You seem to be pretty high on Doug Martin, you wanna make a sig bet?</font>

nycsportzfan
02-26-2012, 03:58 PM
Please let us get out hands on <FONT size=3>Doug Martin RB Boise St</FONT>!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. <FONT size=3>Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings..</FONT>.<FONT size=2>Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson have got the edge over Martin IMO.</FONT>
not to me they don't.. <FONT size=3>Not even close really.. I'm not that high on either Lamar Miller or David Wilson,</FONT> all though i'd certainly be intrigued if we were to get em... Doug Martin is a do everything back, who can retrun kicks, as well as be a ray rice type potent reciever outta the backfield, and hes got the kinda build i love for the pro game .. <FONT size=3>I think if Doug Martin played at Florida or Bama, he'd be a sure 1st rd pick, and to be bluntly honest, i won't be surprised if hes the 2nd RB taken in this draft,</FONT> as hes that good..<FONT size=2>First off, I like Doug Martin, but he's not on a Lamar Miller or David Wilson type level. Hell, I think Chris Polk may have the edge over Martin and end up being a more productive RB at the next level. Polk isn't a burner like Wilson &amp; Miller but he's got great hands and plays hard. Doug Martin is similar to MJD (not as fast) and will fit in all types of systems, Shotgun, spread, run-heavy, ect. One of the networks compared Martin to Ahmad Bradshaw &amp; I have to agree. Martin isn't a guy you're gonna build your offense around like you would w/ Richardson, Wilson, Miller, ect. Those 3 guys can handle a heavy workload &amp; carry the ball 20 plus times a game. I don't see that w/ Martin at the next level. He'll fit in nicely as a solid complementary back as part of a rotation IMO. With that said, I wouldn't mind the Giants drafting anyone of these studs! This RB class is pretty deep-
(no order)
1) Trent Richardson
2) David Wilson
3) Lamar Miller
4) Doug Martin
5) Chris Polk
6) LaMichael James
7) Bernard Pierce
8) Isaiah Pead
9) Cyrus Gray
10) Robert Turpin
11) Ronnie Hillman
12) Tauren Poole
13) Chris Rainey
14) Darrell Scott
15) Daniel Herron</FONT>
<FONT size=4>They </FONT>said the same thing about MJD and Ray Rice when they slipped to the 2nd rd, and i said the same thing about Ray Rice the yr he came out.. I'll take Doug Martin as the 2nd best RB in this class, and hes pretty darn fast as well... Hes been outstanding on the field, at the Sr Bowl, and now hes making noise at the combine, tying for the high on the bench press for RB's... Hes a beast...<FONT size=2>Who is they?</FONT>
THEY is the people that let MJD and Ray Rice go into the RD 2 area, because there was no way they were better then guys like Mendenhall, Felix Jones, and Jamal Charles, and for MJD, guys like Deangelo Williams, Joseph Addai and Lendale White.. Thats who "THEY" are...<FONT size=2>So "THEY" means NFL teams in general?</FONT>
And most So called "draft experts" as well.... Another words, its not always just the "rankings" must be right.. Just watch and look at Doug Martin, and its pretty easy to see hes gonna be a good one..<FONT size=2>There's no question he's got all the tools to be a good back at the next level, my thing is HOW GOOD WILL HE BE? I know you have him in your "personal rankings" as the #2 RB in the draft. I like Doug Martin, but I think there's a couple guys ahead of him in terms of talent. You seem to be pretty high on Doug Martin, you wanna make a sig bet?</FONT>
We'll just remeber now what we say, and give the other there props if there right.. I"m telling you, Doug martin is gonna be ridicluously hard to tackle with that center of gravity and on top of that, hes got serious shiftieness as well.. The thing is, it'll probably take a yr or 2 like it did for Ray Rice before his team realizes "screw that, this kids our 25carry back!". ya know? Unless Rice and MJD did enough all ready to shake the perception of the short guys having to be split the load backs?

michaelkhan3
02-26-2012, 03:59 PM
Any one know why Lamar Miller isn't doing the drills?

juice33s
02-26-2012, 04:01 PM
So now that Martin ran a 4.47 do we consider him at 32. Reese always likes to go BPA and if he's anything like MJD and Rice it could be a major addition to our team

BlueSanta
02-26-2012, 04:05 PM
Just gotta say, as a whole, this is 1 seriously fast RB class.

Conversely, this is a pretty slow WR class as a whole.

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 04:15 PM
Please let us get out hands on <font size="3">Doug Martin RB Boise St</font>!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. <font size="3">Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings..</font>.<font size="2">Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson have got the edge over Martin IMO.</font>
not to me they don't.. <font size="3">Not even close really.. I'm not that high on either Lamar Miller or David Wilson,</font> all though i'd certainly be intrigued if we were to get em... Doug Martin is a do everything back, who can retrun kicks, as well as be a ray rice type potent reciever outta the backfield, and hes got the kinda build i love for the pro game .. <font size="3">I think if Doug Martin played at Florida or Bama, he'd be a sure 1st rd pick, and to be bluntly honest, i won't be surprised if hes the 2nd RB taken in this draft,</font> as hes that good..<font size="2">First off, I like Doug Martin, but he's not on a Lamar Miller or David Wilson type level. Hell, I think Chris Polk may have the edge over Martin and end up being a more productive RB at the next level. Polk isn't a burner like Wilson &amp; Miller but he's got great hands and plays hard. Doug Martin is similar to MJD (not as fast) and will fit in all types of systems, Shotgun, spread, run-heavy, ect. One of the networks compared Martin to Ahmad Bradshaw &amp; I have to agree. Martin isn't a guy you're gonna build your offense around like you would w/ Richardson, Wilson, Miller, ect. Those 3 guys can handle a heavy workload &amp; carry the ball 20 plus times a game. I don't see that w/ Martin at the next level. He'll fit in nicely as a solid complementary back as part of a rotation IMO. With that said, I wouldn't mind the Giants drafting anyone of these studs! This RB class is pretty deep-
(no order)
1) Trent Richardson
2) David Wilson
3) Lamar Miller
4) Doug Martin
5) Chris Polk
6) LaMichael James
7) Bernard Pierce
8) Isaiah Pead
9) Cyrus Gray
10) Robert Turpin
11) Ronnie Hillman
12) Tauren Poole
13) Chris Rainey
14) Darrell Scott
15) Daniel Herron</font>
<font size="4">They </font>said the same thing about MJD and Ray Rice when they slipped to the 2nd rd, and i said the same thing about Ray Rice the yr he came out.. I'll take Doug Martin as the 2nd best RB in this class, and hes pretty darn fast as well... Hes been outstanding on the field, at the Sr Bowl, and now hes making noise at the combine, tying for the high on the bench press for RB's... Hes a beast...<font size="2">Who is they?</font>
THEY is the people that let MJD and Ray Rice go into the RD 2 area, because there was no way they were better then guys like Mendenhall, Felix Jones, and Jamal Charles, and for MJD, guys like Deangelo Williams, Joseph Addai and Lendale White.. Thats who "THEY" are...<font size="2">So "THEY" means NFL teams in general?</font>
And most So called "draft experts" as well.... Another words, its not always just the "rankings" must be right.. Just watch and look at Doug Martin, and its pretty easy to see hes gonna be a good one..<font size="2">There's no question he's got all the tools to be a good back at the next level, my thing is HOW GOOD WILL HE BE? I know you have him in your "personal rankings" as the #2 RB in the draft. I like Doug Martin, but I think there's a couple guys ahead of him in terms of talent. You seem to be pretty high on Doug Martin, you wanna make a sig bet?</font>
We'll just remeber now what we say, and give the other there props if there right.. I"m telling you, Doug martin is gonna be ridicluously hard to tackle with that center of gravity and on top of that, hes got serious shiftieness as well.. The thing is, it'll probably take a yr or 2 like it did for Ray Rice before his team realizes "screw that, this kids our 25carry back!". ya know? Unless Rice and MJD did enough all ready to shake the perception of the short guys having to be split the load backs?<font size="2">You didn't answer my question pal, let's make a SIG BET on Doug Martin and the NFL DRAFT, ok?</font>

bLuereverie
02-26-2012, 04:16 PM
Just gotta say, as a whole, this is 1 seriously fast RB class.

Conversely, this is a pretty slow WR class as a whole.

I'm actually surprised as to how fast WRs were. I was expecting a lot less sub 4.5s in a class dominated with a lot of big bodied receivers.

myles2424
02-26-2012, 04:23 PM
Just gotta say, as a whole, this is 1 seriously fast RB class.

Conversely, this is a pretty slow WR class as a whole.

I'm actually surprised as to how fast WRs were. I was expecting a lot less sub 4.5s in a class dominated with a lot of big bodied receivers.
Tommy streeter & Stephen hill are very intriguing with their size/speed......
Kendal wright & mohamed sanu are very suprising

juice33s
02-26-2012, 04:30 PM
Just gotta say, as a whole, this is 1 seriously fast RB class.

Conversely, this is a pretty slow WR class as a whole.

I'm actually surprised as to how fast WRs were. I was expecting a lot less sub 4.5s in a class dominated with a lot of big bodied receivers.
Tommy streeter &amp; Stephen hill are very intriguing with their size/speed......
Kendal wright &amp; mohamed sanu are very suprising
Seriously wtf happened to wright. On the bright side we now have an opportunity to draft MM's successor

bLuereverie
02-26-2012, 04:35 PM
Just gotta say, as a whole, this is 1 seriously fast RB class.

Conversely, this is a pretty slow WR class as a whole.

I'm actually surprised as to how fast WRs were. I was expecting a lot less sub 4.5s in a class dominated with a lot of big bodied receivers.
Tommy streeter & Stephen hill are very intriguing with their size/speed......
Kendal wright & mohamed sanu are very suprising

Sanu ran what I expected. He never was a fast receiver. Wright however was a huge headscratcher.

michaelkhan3
02-26-2012, 04:40 PM
Robert Turbin is an absolute beast he is so ridiculously big and he ran a 4.50

Lamar Miller confirmed as the fastest RB with a 4.40

michaelkhan3
02-26-2012, 04:41 PM
Just gotta say, as a whole, this is 1 seriously fast RB class.

Conversely, this is a pretty slow WR class as a whole.

I'm actually surprised as to how fast WRs were. I was expecting a lot less sub 4.5s in a class dominated with a lot of big bodied receivers.
Tommy streeter &amp; Stephen hill are very intriguing with their size/speed......
Kendal wright &amp; mohamed sanu are very suprising

Sanu ran what I expected. He never was a fast receiver. Wright however was a huge headscratcher.

I never bought people saying Wright was gonna be the fastest guy at the combine. I didn't think he would run that well but he managed to do worst than I thought

Redeyejedi
02-26-2012, 05:33 PM
Saw on Giants 101 they set up a meeting with Reuben Randle. I like Randle a lot . He would of put up better numbers if the worst QB in the SEC wasnt throwing him the ball

BluGiantPies
02-26-2012, 05:44 PM
Saw on Giants 101 they set up a meeting with Reuben Randle. I like Randle a lot . He would of put up better numbers if the worst QB in the SEC wasnt throwing him the ball my only question with randle is does he have the speed to get behind the defense for the deep ball.

bLuereverie
02-26-2012, 05:50 PM
Yes. He's marginally slower than Nicks.

tonyt830
02-26-2012, 05:53 PM
Saw on Giants 101 they set up a meeting with Reuben Randle. I like Randle a lot . He would of put up better numbers if the worst QB in the SEC wasnt throwing him the ballwhere do you see Randle going round wise? I think Mayock had him as his 5th best WR.

Redeyejedi
02-26-2012, 06:52 PM
Saw on Giants 101 they set up a meeting with Reuben Randle. I like Randle a lot . He would of put up better numbers if the worst QB in the SEC wasnt throwing him the ballwhere do you see Randle going round wise?* I think Mayock had him as his 5th best WR. I have to put my Top 100 together but he will be a Top 40 guy for sure. i wouldnt blink if he got picked at the end of the first.

michaelkhan3
02-26-2012, 07:52 PM
Saw on Giants 101 they set up a meeting with Reuben Randle. I like Randle a lot . He would of put up better numbers if the worst QB in the SEC wasnt throwing him the ball my only question with randle is does he have the speed to get behind the defense for the deep ball.

4.55 is pretty good. Nicks ran about the same as that I think plus he is 6'3 so if he can't really get behind his man i'm sure he can still go up high and catch the ball

heavyhitter
02-26-2012, 10:28 PM
Please let us get out hands on <font size="3">Doug Martin RB Boise St</font>!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. <font size="3">Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings..</font>.<font size="2">Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson have got the edge over Martin IMO.</font>
not to me they don't.. <font size="3">Not even close really.. I'm not that high on either Lamar Miller or David Wilson,</font> all though i'd certainly be intrigued if we were to get em... Doug Martin is a do everything back, who can retrun kicks, as well as be a ray rice type potent reciever outta the backfield, and hes got the kinda build i love for the pro game .. <font size="3">I think if Doug Martin played at Florida or Bama, he'd be a sure 1st rd pick, and to be bluntly honest, i won't be surprised if hes the 2nd RB taken in this draft,</font> as hes that good..<font size="2">First off, I like Doug Martin, but he's not on a Lamar Miller or David Wilson type level. Hell, I think Chris Polk may have the edge over Martin and end up being a more productive RB at the next level. Polk isn't a burner like Wilson &amp; Miller but he's got great hands and plays hard. Doug Martin is similar to MJD (not as fast) and will fit in all types of systems, Shotgun, spread, run-heavy, ect. One of the networks compared Martin to Ahmad Bradshaw &amp; I have to agree. Martin isn't a guy you're gonna build your offense around like you would w/ Richardson, Wilson, Miller, ect. Those 3 guys can handle a heavy workload &amp; carry the ball 20 plus times a game. I don't see that w/ Martin at the next level. He'll fit in nicely as a solid complementary back as part of a rotation IMO. With that said, I wouldn't mind the Giants drafting anyone of these studs! This RB class is pretty deep-
(no order)
1) Trent Richardson
2) David Wilson
3) Lamar Miller
4) Doug Martin
5) Chris Polk
6) LaMichael James
7) Bernard Pierce
8) Isaiah Pead
9) Cyrus Gray
10) Robert Turpin
11) Ronnie Hillman
12) Tauren Poole
13) Chris Rainey
14) Darrell Scott
15) Daniel Herron</font>
<font size="4">They </font>said the same thing about MJD and Ray Rice when they slipped to the 2nd rd, and i said the same thing about Ray Rice the yr he came out.. I'll take Doug Martin as the 2nd best RB in this class, and hes pretty darn fast as well... Hes been outstanding on the field, at the Sr Bowl, and now hes making noise at the combine, tying for the high on the bench press for RB's... Hes a beast...<font size="2">Who is they?</font>
THEY is the people that let MJD and Ray Rice go into the RD 2 area, because there was no way they were better then guys like Mendenhall, Felix Jones, and Jamal Charles, and for MJD, guys like Deangelo Williams, Joseph Addai and Lendale White.. Thats who "THEY" are...<font size="2">So "THEY" means NFL teams in general?</font>
And most So called "draft experts" as well.... Another words, its not always just the "rankings" must be right.. Just watch and look at Doug Martin, and its pretty easy to see hes gonna be a good one..<font size="2">There's no question he's got all the tools to be a good back at the next level, my thing is HOW GOOD WILL HE BE? I know you have him in your "personal rankings" as the #2 RB in the draft. I like Doug Martin, but I think there's a couple guys ahead of him in terms of talent. You seem to be pretty high on Doug Martin, you wanna make a sig bet?</font>
<font size="4">We'll just remeber now what we say, and give the other there props if there right.</font>. I"m telling you, Doug martin is gonna be ridicluously hard to tackle with that center of gravity and on top of that, hes got serious shiftieness as well.. The thing is, it'll probably take a yr or 2 like it did for Ray Rice before his team realizes "screw that, this kids our 25carry back!". ya know? Unless Rice and MJD did enough all ready to shake the perception of the short guys having to be split the load backs?<font size="2">And what I'm saying is BOTH David Wilson &amp; Lamar Miller will be drafted ahead of Doug Martin. I know you don't see it that way, but that's the way it will go down in this years draft. Like I said, I like Martin, but Miller and Wilson have clearly got the edge. SIG BET is still open </font>

Neverend
02-26-2012, 11:14 PM
I guess Randle would be okay. Dont think he has great upside but is excellent working the middle of the field and getting open against zone coverage. Good fit for the giants at 32, but as a whole I dont see him as 1st round talent or in the same class as the top wideouts

nycsportzfan
02-26-2012, 11:27 PM
Please let us get out hands on <FONT size=3>Doug Martin RB Boise St</FONT>!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. <FONT size=3>Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings..</FONT>.<FONT size=2>Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson have got the edge over Martin IMO.</FONT>
not to me they don't.. <FONT size=3>Not even close really.. I'm not that high on either Lamar Miller or David Wilson,</FONT> all though i'd certainly be intrigued if we were to get em... Doug Martin is a do everything back, who can retrun kicks, as well as be a ray rice type potent reciever outta the backfield, and hes got the kinda build i love for the pro game .. <FONT size=3>I think if Doug Martin played at Florida or Bama, he'd be a sure 1st rd pick, and to be bluntly honest, i won't be surprised if hes the 2nd RB taken in this draft,</FONT> as hes that good..<FONT size=2>First off, I like Doug Martin, but he's not on a Lamar Miller or David Wilson type level. Hell, I think Chris Polk may have the edge over Martin and end up being a more productive RB at the next level. Polk isn't a burner like Wilson &amp; Miller but he's got great hands and plays hard. Doug Martin is similar to MJD (not as fast) and will fit in all types of systems, Shotgun, spread, run-heavy, ect. One of the networks compared Martin to Ahmad Bradshaw &amp; I have to agree. Martin isn't a guy you're gonna build your offense around like you would w/ Richardson, Wilson, Miller, ect. Those 3 guys can handle a heavy workload &amp; carry the ball 20 plus times a game. I don't see that w/ Martin at the next level. He'll fit in nicely as a solid complementary back as part of a rotation IMO. With that said, I wouldn't mind the Giants drafting anyone of these studs! This RB class is pretty deep-
(no order)
1) Trent Richardson
2) David Wilson
3) Lamar Miller
4) Doug Martin
5) Chris Polk
6) LaMichael James
7) Bernard Pierce
8) Isaiah Pead
9) Cyrus Gray
10) Robert Turpin
11) Ronnie Hillman
12) Tauren Poole
13) Chris Rainey
14) Darrell Scott
15) Daniel Herron</FONT>
<FONT size=4>They </FONT>said the same thing about MJD and Ray Rice when they slipped to the 2nd rd, and i said the same thing about Ray Rice the yr he came out.. I'll take Doug Martin as the 2nd best RB in this class, and hes pretty darn fast as well... Hes been outstanding on the field, at the Sr Bowl, and now hes making noise at the combine, tying for the high on the bench press for RB's... Hes a beast...<FONT size=2>Who is they?</FONT>
THEY is the people that let MJD and Ray Rice go into the RD 2 area, because there was no way they were better then guys like Mendenhall, Felix Jones, and Jamal Charles, and for MJD, guys like Deangelo Williams, Joseph Addai and Lendale White.. Thats who "THEY" are...<FONT size=2>So "THEY" means NFL teams in general?</FONT>
And most So called "draft experts" as well.... Another words, its not always just the "rankings" must be right.. Just watch and look at Doug Martin, and its pretty easy to see hes gonna be a good one..<FONT size=2>There's no question he's got all the tools to be a good back at the next level, my thing is HOW GOOD WILL HE BE? I know you have him in your "personal rankings" as the #2 RB in the draft. I like Doug Martin, but I think there's a couple guys ahead of him in terms of talent. You seem to be pretty high on Doug Martin, you wanna make a sig bet?</FONT>
We'll just remeber now what we say, and give the other there props if there right.. I"m telling you, Doug martin is gonna be ridicluously hard to tackle with that center of gravity and on top of that, hes got serious shiftieness as well.. The thing is, it'll probably take a yr or 2 like it did for Ray Rice before his team realizes "screw that, this kids our 25carry back!". ya know? Unless Rice and MJD did enough all ready to shake the perception of the short guys having to be split the load backs?<FONT size=2>You didn't answer my question pal, let's make a SIG BET on Doug Martin and the NFL DRAFT, ok?</FONT>
dude, i have no clue what a "sig bet' is.. All i know is Doug Martin is insane and theres talk of him going top half of RD 2 now, according to Walter Football becasue of his all around sweet combine, which added to his all around sweet Sr Bowl, and all around sweet career.. I'll take Martin over David Wilson or Lamar Miller any day of the week, and twice on tuesday... Then again, i'm not a huge fan of either wilson or miller, so that is no surprise...

nycsportzfan
02-26-2012, 11:29 PM
I guess Randle would be okay. Dont think he has great upside but is excellent working the middle of the field and getting open against zone coverage. Good fit for the giants at 32, but as a whole I dont see him as 1st round talent or in the same class as the top wideouts I'm totally with you on this one.. To be honest, i got Juron Criner, and even Marvin McNutt higher ranked on my personal rankings.. I woulden't be surprised if Randle was a bust as a pro..

nycsportzfan
02-26-2012, 11:37 PM
Please let us get out hands on <FONT size=3>Doug Martin RB Boise St</FONT>!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. <FONT size=3>Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings..</FONT>.<FONT size=2>Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson have got the edge over Martin IMO.</FONT>
not to me they don't.. <FONT size=3>Not even close really.. I'm not that high on either Lamar Miller or David Wilson,</FONT> all though i'd certainly be intrigued if we were to get em... Doug Martin is a do everything back, who can retrun kicks, as well as be a ray rice type potent reciever outta the backfield, and hes got the kinda build i love for the pro game .. <FONT size=3>I think if Doug Martin played at Florida or Bama, he'd be a sure 1st rd pick, and to be bluntly honest, i won't be surprised if hes the 2nd RB taken in this draft,</FONT> as hes that good..<FONT size=2>First off, I like Doug Martin, but he's not on a Lamar Miller or David Wilson type level. Hell, I think Chris Polk may have the edge over Martin and end up being a more productive RB at the next level. Polk isn't a burner like Wilson &amp; Miller but he's got great hands and plays hard. Doug Martin is similar to MJD (not as fast) and will fit in all types of systems, Shotgun, spread, run-heavy, ect. One of the networks compared Martin to Ahmad Bradshaw &amp; I have to agree. Martin isn't a guy you're gonna build your offense around like you would w/ Richardson, Wilson, Miller, ect. Those 3 guys can handle a heavy workload &amp; carry the ball 20 plus times a game. I don't see that w/ Martin at the next level. He'll fit in nicely as a solid complementary back as part of a rotation IMO. With that said, I wouldn't mind the Giants drafting anyone of these studs! This RB class is pretty deep-
(no order)
1) Trent Richardson
2) David Wilson
3) Lamar Miller
4) Doug Martin
5) Chris Polk
6) LaMichael James
7) Bernard Pierce
8) Isaiah Pead
9) Cyrus Gray
10) Robert Turpin
11) Ronnie Hillman
12) Tauren Poole
13) Chris Rainey
14) Darrell Scott
15) Daniel Herron</FONT>
<FONT size=4>They </FONT>said the same thing about MJD and Ray Rice when they slipped to the 2nd rd, and i said the same thing about Ray Rice the yr he came out.. I'll take Doug Martin as the 2nd best RB in this class, and hes pretty darn fast as well... Hes been outstanding on the field, at the Sr Bowl, and now hes making noise at the combine, tying for the high on the bench press for RB's... Hes a beast...<FONT size=2>Who is they?</FONT>
THEY is the people that let MJD and Ray Rice go into the RD 2 area, because there was no way they were better then guys like Mendenhall, Felix Jones, and Jamal Charles, and for MJD, guys like Deangelo Williams, Joseph Addai and Lendale White.. Thats who "THEY" are...<FONT size=2>So "THEY" means NFL teams in general?</FONT>
And most So called "draft experts" as well.... Another words, its not always just the "rankings" must be right.. Just watch and look at Doug Martin, and its pretty easy to see hes gonna be a good one..<FONT size=2>There's no question he's got all the tools to be a good back at the next level, my thing is HOW GOOD WILL HE BE? I know you have him in your "personal rankings" as the #2 RB in the draft. I like Doug Martin, but I think there's a couple guys ahead of him in terms of talent. You seem to be pretty high on Doug Martin, you wanna make a sig bet?</FONT>
<FONT size=4>We'll just remeber now what we say, and give the other there props if there right.</FONT>. I"m telling you, Doug martin is gonna be ridicluously hard to tackle with that center of gravity and on top of that, hes got serious shiftieness as well.. The thing is, it'll probably take a yr or 2 like it did for Ray Rice before his team realizes "screw that, this kids our 25carry back!". ya know? Unless Rice and MJD did enough all ready to shake the perception of the short guys having to be split the load backs?<FONT size=2>And what I'm saying is BOTH David Wilson &amp; Lamar Miller will be drafted ahead of Doug Martin. I know you don't see it that way, but that's the way it will go down in this years draft. Like I said, I like Martin, but Miller and Wilson have clearly got the edge. SIG BET is still open </FONT>
I could care less about where Doug Martin is drafted... All i said, is i woulden't be "surprised" if he were taken in the late 1st rd, because hes that good, and i had no doubt he'd have a good combine, to go with his good sr bowl, and good career, so it woulden't surprise me if he made headway and passed David Wilson and possibly Lamar Miller, all though i think passing Miller will be harder... And its funny, becasue theres all ready chatter about DOUG MARTIN making headway and putting himself into top of Day 2 draft status, albeit, wilson and miller had solid combines as well.. The thing about Wilson that i can't stand, is how many times he goes backwards and is not decisive in his decison making and finds himself like 10yrds behind teh line of scrimmage being tackled.. As for Lamar Miller, he just goes down to easy in my opinion.. Outside of Trent Richardson, i just don't see a more complete back then Doug Martin.. Hes got enough speed, and can catch, and also return kicks, has great measurables, impressive strength, and can block... Theres litteraly nothing he does wrong//</P>


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By Charlie Campbell.
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<FONT size=3>2012 NFL Combine: Workout Recap - Running Backs </FONT>

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<LI>Oregon running back LaMichael James (5-8, 194) came through with a 40-yard dash time that confirms his big-play speed. James blazed an unofficial time of 4.37 that tied with Florida's Chris Rainey as the best unofficial time for any halfback. The official time given to James was 4.45, but the the unofficial time looked more accurate. He couldn't afford to have a disappointing 40 time, and James met the challenge to jet a time that reinforces his game as a speed threat. To complete his day, James performed well as a pass receiver in the field drills. He ran routes well and caught the ball well in his hands. James did his part to confirm his second-day grade.


<LI>Virginia Tech's David Wilson is competing to be the second-rated running back. He helped himself with an unofficial 4.40 sprint in the 40-yard dash. The official time was 4.49. Wilson performed well in the pass receiving drills as he was a quality route-runner with good hands. He jumped out of the gym with a broad jump of 11 and a vertical jump of 41 inches. Both of those marks were the best of any running back. Wilson had an completely impressive Combine to help his stock.


<LI>One of the most explosive big-play backs in the 2012 NFL Draft class is Miami's Lamar Miller. He burned the track with an unofficial 40 time at 4.38 seconds (4.40 official). Miller (5-11, 212) has good size to go along with that special speed. His 40 time should hold him steady as a first- or second-round pick.


<LI>Boise State running back Doug Martin continued his strong Combine with unofficial 40-yard dash times of 4.57 and 4.47 seconds. Unlike many prospects, Martin ran faster on his second attempt at the 40. Martin (5-9, 223) also tied for the lead in the bench press with 28 reps. He continued his effective Combine with a strong showing in the receiving drills. Martin is currently said to be making some headway up draft boards and is approaching consideration at the top of the second day.



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<LI>At a heavy weight, Baylor's Terrance Ganaway (6-0, 239) produced a decent 40-yard dash at an unofficial time of 4.63 seconds. Ganaway did not look like a natural receiver during the receiving drills. He is going to need work on that aspect of his game, but he is more of a rotational power back and not a three-down back. Ganaway needs to improve his training in the NFL, but he looks like a mid-round pick.


<LI>Cincinnati running back Isaiah Pead ran the 40-yard dash at 4.41 seconds, unofficially. Pead (5-9, 197) performed well in the receiving drills and thrived in that role with the Bearcats. Pead looks like a natural third-down back who can contribute in blitz protection. He confirmed - if not improved - his stock as a mid-rounder.


<LI>Washington running back Chris Polk had a quality unofficial time of 4.46 seconds in the 40-yard dash. Polk dropped weight in an effort to get quicker, and the lost pounds appear to have paid off for him, as he ran pretty well. He also looked above average as a pass receiver. Polk had a rough Senior Bowl, and his Combine could aide his cause to be selected on the second day.


<LI>USC running back Marc Tyler had a strong week at the East-West Shrine, but he had the worst unofficial 40 time of any halfback at 4.78. Tyler (5-11, 219) is a bigger back but needed to run better than that. His 40 time could push him down further in the third day of the 2012 NFL Draft (http://www.walterfootball.com/draft2012.php%22).



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<LI>Florida running back Chris Rainey (5-8, 180) tied for the fastest time in the 40-yard dash at an unofficial 4.37 seconds. When the official times came out Rainey was dropped to 4.45. Considering how Rainey ran, the unofficial time looks way more accurate. In the receiving drills, Rainey was phenomenal with the exception of one dropped pass. He is a natural route runner and catches the ball well in his hands. He will be a real mismatch as a receiver in the NFL going against linebackers and safeties. Rainey's combine performance should have helped him, assuming the oft-injured former Gator checked out okay in the physical and team interviews.


<LI>Utah State running back Robert Turbin (5-10, 220) had a very impressive 40 time at 4.44 seconds unofficially. For a big muscular back, Turbin ran extremely well. The official time was a 4.5 flat, so no matter which way you cut it, Turbin ran quickly. He could be a fast and physical back.


<LI>San Diego State running back Ronnie Hillman (5-9, 200) had an unofficial 40 time at 4.41. Like Rainey and James, it was lowered to 4.45 in the official number. Hillman performed well in the receiving drills and helped himself on Sunday.


<LI>A sleeper running back who had a bit of a disappointing senior season was Texas A&amp;M's Cyrus Gray. Gray (5-10, 206) had a quality combine. He ran the 40 at 4.41 seconds unofficially and performed well in the receiving drills. He also looked quick in his cutting on the interior obstacle drill. Gray needed to differentiate himself from the pack, and he made strides on Sunday.


</LI>

BlueSanta
02-26-2012, 11:43 PM
<font size="2">And what I'm saying is BOTH David Wilson &amp; Lamar Miller will be drafted ahead of Doug Martin. I know you don't see it that way, but that's the way it will go down in this years draft. Like I said, I like Martin, but Miller and Wilson have clearly got the edge. SIG BET is still open </font>

God knows I have disagreed with NYC in the past, but I dont see how your
bet is even relevant. Your bet doesnt really have anything to do with
what NYC is saying.

He isnt saying Martin is going to be drafted 1st. He is saying in his opinion he should be drafted 1st(between those 3). So, even if he lost the bet it doesnt really have any bearing on his being right or wrong in this matter.





I do not agree with him, although I think Martin is going to very well
in this league. But, I also recognize his right to have an opinion.
Besides, especially at RB, what team selects you has as much impact on
your performance as anything. If Martin gets on the right team and
Miller/Wilson do not, he could easily outperform those 2 or visca versa.
So there really is no way to make this bet even happen with any degree
of accuracy.



EG. I think it is a fair thing to say that Ingram would have performed
better this year had he been selected by a team that ran the ball more
than 35% of the time and didnt have 2 other quality backs on their
roster to share the load.

nycsportzfan
02-26-2012, 11:47 PM
So kendall Wright runs a 4.61 in the 40.. I guess that means he can't get deep and should fall into the 2nd round for sure now, right??(sarcasm) Theres guys who are simply good, and know how to play football, and i say this all the freaking time.. Guys like Dwayne Allen, Kendall Wright, and so on and so fourth, are just good players, and know how to get open and make plays, because they simply have it in there blood, and u can see it on the field... </P>


</P>


Others, like Stephen Hill, who wasen't given a ton of chances on the field, and Tommy Streeter, who also is kinda raw, and guys from gimmicky offenses, and so on and so fourth, need the combine more then others, so u can get a feel for there abilities outside of either there limited chances or gimmick offenses or whatever.. I just laugh sometimes at how the combine changes peoples feelings on players instantly..</P>

nycsportzfan
02-26-2012, 11:54 PM
Please let us get out hands on <FONT size=3>Doug Martin RB Boise St</FONT>!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. <FONT size=3>Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings..</FONT>.<FONT size=2>Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson have got the edge over Martin IMO.</FONT>
not to me they don't.. <FONT size=3>Not even close really.. I'm not that high on either Lamar Miller or David Wilson,</FONT> all though i'd certainly be intrigued if we were to get em... Doug Martin is a do everything back, who can retrun kicks, as well as be a ray rice type potent reciever outta the backfield, and hes got the kinda build i love for the pro game .. <FONT size=3>I think if Doug Martin played at Florida or Bama, he'd be a sure 1st rd pick, and to be bluntly honest, i won't be surprised if hes the 2nd RB taken in this draft,</FONT> as hes that good..<FONT size=2>First off, I like Doug Martin, but he's not on a Lamar Miller or David Wilson type level. Hell, I think Chris Polk may have the edge over Martin and end up being a more productive RB at the next level. Polk isn't a burner like Wilson &amp; Miller but he's got great hands and plays hard. Doug Martin is similar to MJD (not as fast) and will fit in all types of systems, Shotgun, spread, run-heavy, ect. One of the networks compared Martin to Ahmad Bradshaw &amp; I have to agree. Martin isn't a guy you're gonna build your offense around like you would w/ Richardson, Wilson, Miller, ect. Those 3 guys can handle a heavy workload &amp; carry the ball 20 plus times a game. I don't see that w/ Martin at the next level. He'll fit in nicely as a solid complementary back as part of a rotation IMO. With that said, I wouldn't mind the Giants drafting anyone of these studs! This RB class is pretty deep-
(no order)
1) Trent Richardson
2) David Wilson
3) Lamar Miller
4) Doug Martin
5) Chris Polk
6) LaMichael James
7) Bernard Pierce
8) Isaiah Pead
9) Cyrus Gray
10) Robert Turpin
11) Ronnie Hillman
12) Tauren Poole
13) Chris Rainey
14) Darrell Scott
15) Daniel Herron</FONT>
<FONT size=4>They </FONT>said the same thing about MJD and Ray Rice when they slipped to the 2nd rd, and i said the same thing about Ray Rice the yr he came out.. I'll take Doug Martin as the 2nd best RB in this class, and hes pretty darn fast as well... Hes been outstanding on the field, at the Sr Bowl, and now hes making noise at the combine, tying for the high on the bench press for RB's... Hes a beast...<FONT size=2>Who is they?</FONT>
THEY is the people that let MJD and Ray Rice go into the RD 2 area, because there was no way they were better then guys like Mendenhall, Felix Jones, and Jamal Charles, and for MJD, guys like Deangelo Williams, Joseph Addai and Lendale White.. Thats who "THEY" are...<FONT size=2>So "THEY" means NFL teams in general?</FONT>
And most So called "draft experts" as well.... Another words, its not always just the "rankings" must be right.. Just watch and look at Doug Martin, and its pretty easy to see hes gonna be a good one..<FONT size=2>There's no question he's got all the tools to be a good back at the next level, my thing is HOW GOOD WILL HE BE? I know you have him in your "personal rankings" as the #2 RB in the draft. I like Doug Martin, but I think there's a couple guys ahead of him in terms of talent. You seem to be pretty high on Doug Martin, you wanna make a sig bet?</FONT>
<FONT size=4>We'll just remeber now what we say, and give the other there props if there right.</FONT>. I"m telling you, Doug martin is gonna be ridicluously hard to tackle with that center of gravity and on top of that, hes got serious shiftieness as well.. The thing is, it'll probably take a yr or 2 like it did for Ray Rice before his team realizes "screw that, this kids our 25carry back!". ya know? Unless Rice and MJD did enough all ready to shake the perception of the short guys having to be split the load backs?<FONT size=2>And what I'm saying is BOTH David Wilson &amp; Lamar Miller will be drafted ahead of Doug Martin. I know you don't see it that way, but that's the way it will go down in this years draft. Like I said, I like Martin, but Miller and Wilson have clearly got the edge. SIG BET is still open </FONT>


God knows I have disagreed with NYC in the past, but I dont see how your bet is even relevant. Your bet doesnt really have anything to do with what NYC is saying.

He isnt saying Martin is going to be drafted 1st. He is saying in his opinion he should be drafted 1st. I do not agree with him, although I think Martin is going to very well in this league. But, I also recognize his right to have an opinion. Besides, especially at RB, what team selects you has as much impact on your performance as anything. I think it is a fair thing to say that Ingram would have performed better this year had be been selected by a team that ran the ball more than 35% of the time and didnt have 2 other quality backs on their roster to share the load.




Your pretty much right as far as what i was saying, but to further explain, all i was saying is, "i woulden't be surprised if he ended up in the very late first rd(thinking like last couple picks), all though, that would be a stretch, as i more see him as a early 2nd rder, but i woulden't be completely surprised is all.. And bang, theres all ready chatter about him being a early 2nd rd pick, which i think he will be..</P>


</P>


Its funny because when vlad ducasse and linval joseph were coming out, i said the same things about them being 2nd rders, way before there was any chatter at all about it, and actually got into a very heated arguement with one guy who got banned on here about Ducasse going that high, because at the time, he was perdicted to be a 5th rd pick(again, as u know, i got UMASS knowledge living so close), and they both ended up where? In the 2nd rd... As far as Linval Joseph, i actually had him as a guy who i thought could surprise and end up at the end of RD 1, but at worst, be a 2nd rder, and at the time, he was considered like a late 3rd rd pick</P>


Now thats not to toot my horn or anything, but just kinda say, don't always beleive the so called "rankings".. If u can clearly see talent and believe in it, go out on the line and say it, becuase there the draft is all most always so much diffrent then we think its gonna be by the time its said and done..</P>

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 12:02 AM
MY TOP 10 RB's would have to be</P>


1. Trent Richardson Alabama</P>


2. Doug Martin Boise St</P>


3. Isaiah Pead Cincy</P>


4. Lamar Miller Miami</P>


5. Chris Polk Washington</P>


6. David Wilson Va Tech</P>


7. Bernard Pierce Temple</P>


8. Robert Turbin Utah St</P>


9. Vick Ballard Miss St</P>


10. Ronnie Hillman San Diego St</P>


Just missed- Lamichael James</P>


</P>


Now this is not to say, theres much diffrence, because i love the WR and RB class this yr, and think there almost laughably loaded, so just becasue hillman's tenth, dosen't mean i'm not crazy about em, because i actually am,a nd theres about 5-10backs, i think are gonna be good, who aren't even on my list... I also think Dave Meggetts kid is a killer sleeper...</P>

heavyhitter
02-27-2012, 12:06 AM
Please let us get out hands on <font size="3">Doug Martin RB Boise St</font>!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. <font size="3">Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings..</font>.<font size="2">Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson have got the edge over Martin IMO.</font>
not to me they don't.. <font size="3">Not even close really.. I'm not that high on either Lamar Miller or David Wilson,</font> all though i'd certainly be intrigued if we were to get em... Doug Martin is a do everything back, who can retrun kicks, as well as be a ray rice type potent reciever outta the backfield, and hes got the kinda build i love for the pro game .. <font size="3">I think if Doug Martin played at Florida or Bama, he'd be a sure 1st rd pick, and to be bluntly honest, i won't be surprised if hes the 2nd RB taken in this draft,</font> as hes that good..<font size="2">First off, I like Doug Martin, but he's not on a Lamar Miller or David Wilson type level. Hell, I think Chris Polk may have the edge over Martin and end up being a more productive RB at the next level. Polk isn't a burner like Wilson &amp; Miller but he's got great hands and plays hard. Doug Martin is similar to MJD (not as fast) and will fit in all types of systems, Shotgun, spread, run-heavy, ect. One of the networks compared Martin to Ahmad Bradshaw &amp; I have to agree. Martin isn't a guy you're gonna build your offense around like you would w/ Richardson, Wilson, Miller, ect. Those 3 guys can handle a heavy workload &amp; carry the ball 20 plus times a game. I don't see that w/ Martin at the next level. He'll fit in nicely as a solid complementary back as part of a rotation IMO. With that said, I wouldn't mind the Giants drafting anyone of these studs! This RB class is pretty deep-
(no order)
1) Trent Richardson
2) David Wilson
3) Lamar Miller
4) Doug Martin
5) Chris Polk
6) LaMichael James
7) Bernard Pierce
8) Isaiah Pead
9) Cyrus Gray
10) Robert Turpin
11) Ronnie Hillman
12) Tauren Poole
13) Chris Rainey
14) Darrell Scott
15) Daniel Herron</font>
<font size="4">They </font>said the same thing about MJD and Ray Rice when they slipped to the 2nd rd, and i said the same thing about Ray Rice the yr he came out.. I'll take Doug Martin as the 2nd best RB in this class, and hes pretty darn fast as well... Hes been outstanding on the field, at the Sr Bowl, and now hes making noise at the combine, tying for the high on the bench press for RB's... Hes a beast...<font size="2">Who is they?</font>
THEY is the people that let MJD and Ray Rice go into the RD 2 area, because there was no way they were better then guys like Mendenhall, Felix Jones, and Jamal Charles, and for MJD, guys like Deangelo Williams, Joseph Addai and Lendale White.. Thats who "THEY" are...<font size="2">So "THEY" means NFL teams in general?</font>
And most So called "draft experts" as well.... Another words, its not always just the "rankings" must be right.. Just watch and look at Doug Martin, and its pretty easy to see hes gonna be a good one..<font size="2">There's no question he's got all the tools to be a good back at the next level, my thing is HOW GOOD WILL HE BE? I know you have him in your "personal rankings" as the #2 RB in the draft. I like Doug Martin, but I think there's a couple guys ahead of him in terms of talent. You seem to be pretty high on Doug Martin, you wanna make a sig bet?</font>
We'll just remeber now what we say, and give the other there props if there right.. I"m telling you, Doug martin is gonna be ridicluously hard to tackle with that center of gravity and on top of that, hes got serious shiftieness as well.. The thing is, it'll probably take a yr or 2 like it did for Ray Rice before his team realizes "screw that, this kids our 25carry back!". ya know? Unless Rice and MJD did enough all ready to shake the perception of the short guys having to be split the load backs?<font size="2">You didn't answer my question pal, let's make a SIG BET on Doug Martin and the NFL DRAFT, ok?</font>
dude, i have no clue what a "sig bet' is.. All i know is Doug Martin is insane and theres talk of him going top half of RD 2 now, according to Walter Football becasue of his all around sweet combine, which added to his all around sweet Sr Bowl, and all around sweet career.. I'll take Martin over David Wilson or Lamar Miller any day of the week, and twice on tuesday... Then again, i'm not a huge fan of either wilson or miller, so that is no surprise...<font size="2">A Sig Bet Sportzfan- Here's the bet: I bet both Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson will be drafted before Doug Martin. Doesn't matter what round any of these guys are drafted in. I expect TRich to come off the board 1st, then Miller/Wilson or Wilson/Miller. If Doug Martin is drafted before either Lamar Miller or David Wilson you would win the bet. Whoever wins the bet gets to chose what we want to put in the "SIG BOX". Like right now if you won, I would take my current SIG of KP laying wood on Mewelde Moore and change it to whatever you want. Are you game?</font>

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 12:08 AM
you know who i think would be a perfect WR for this offense if we lose Mario? Danny Coale of Va Tech.. I really think he'd be a stud in this offense, and hes got a similar build to Victor Cruz, and can get deep like cruz, as well as catch the underneath stuff, and has realiable hands like cruz.. To be honest, Danny Coale reminds me of a Giant WR...

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 12:11 AM
Please let us get out hands on <FONT size=3>Doug Martin RB Boise St</FONT>!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. <FONT size=3>Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings..</FONT>.<FONT size=2>Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson have got the edge over Martin IMO.</FONT>
not to me they don't.. <FONT size=3>Not even close really.. I'm not that high on either Lamar Miller or David Wilson,</FONT> all though i'd certainly be intrigued if we were to get em... Doug Martin is a do everything back, who can retrun kicks, as well as be a ray rice type potent reciever outta the backfield, and hes got the kinda build i love for the pro game .. <FONT size=3>I think if Doug Martin played at Florida or Bama, he'd be a sure 1st rd pick, and to be bluntly honest, i won't be surprised if hes the 2nd RB taken in this draft,</FONT> as hes that good..<FONT size=2>First off, I like Doug Martin, but he's not on a Lamar Miller or David Wilson type level. Hell, I think Chris Polk may have the edge over Martin and end up being a more productive RB at the next level. Polk isn't a burner like Wilson &amp; Miller but he's got great hands and plays hard. Doug Martin is similar to MJD (not as fast) and will fit in all types of systems, Shotgun, spread, run-heavy, ect. One of the networks compared Martin to Ahmad Bradshaw &amp; I have to agree. Martin isn't a guy you're gonna build your offense around like you would w/ Richardson, Wilson, Miller, ect. Those 3 guys can handle a heavy workload &amp; carry the ball 20 plus times a game. I don't see that w/ Martin at the next level. He'll fit in nicely as a solid complementary back as part of a rotation IMO. With that said, I wouldn't mind the Giants drafting anyone of these studs! This RB class is pretty deep-
(no order)
1) Trent Richardson
2) David Wilson
3) Lamar Miller
4) Doug Martin
5) Chris Polk
6) LaMichael James
7) Bernard Pierce
8) Isaiah Pead
9) Cyrus Gray
10) Robert Turpin
11) Ronnie Hillman
12) Tauren Poole
13) Chris Rainey
14) Darrell Scott
15) Daniel Herron</FONT>
<FONT size=4>They </FONT>said the same thing about MJD and Ray Rice when they slipped to the 2nd rd, and i said the same thing about Ray Rice the yr he came out.. I'll take Doug Martin as the 2nd best RB in this class, and hes pretty darn fast as well... Hes been outstanding on the field, at the Sr Bowl, and now hes making noise at the combine, tying for the high on the bench press for RB's... Hes a beast...<FONT size=2>Who is they?</FONT>
THEY is the people that let MJD and Ray Rice go into the RD 2 area, because there was no way they were better then guys like Mendenhall, Felix Jones, and Jamal Charles, and for MJD, guys like Deangelo Williams, Joseph Addai and Lendale White.. Thats who "THEY" are...<FONT size=2>So "THEY" means NFL teams in general?</FONT>
And most So called "draft experts" as well.... Another words, its not always just the "rankings" must be right.. Just watch and look at Doug Martin, and its pretty easy to see hes gonna be a good one..<FONT size=2>There's no question he's got all the tools to be a good back at the next level, my thing is HOW GOOD WILL HE BE? I know you have him in your "personal rankings" as the #2 RB in the draft. I like Doug Martin, but I think there's a couple guys ahead of him in terms of talent. You seem to be pretty high on Doug Martin, you wanna make a sig bet?</FONT>
We'll just remeber now what we say, and give the other there props if there right.. I"m telling you, Doug martin is gonna be ridicluously hard to tackle with that center of gravity and on top of that, hes got serious shiftieness as well.. The thing is, it'll probably take a yr or 2 like it did for Ray Rice before his team realizes "screw that, this kids our 25carry back!". ya know? Unless Rice and MJD did enough all ready to shake the perception of the short guys having to be split the load backs?<FONT size=2>You didn't answer my question pal, let's make a SIG BET on Doug Martin and the NFL DRAFT, ok?</FONT>
dude, i have no clue what a "sig bet' is.. All i know is Doug Martin is insane and theres talk of him going top half of RD 2 now, according to Walter Football becasue of his all around sweet combine, which added to his all around sweet Sr Bowl, and all around sweet career.. I'll take Martin over David Wilson or Lamar Miller any day of the week, and twice on tuesday... Then again, i'm not a huge fan of either wilson or miller, so that is no surprise...<FONT size=2>A Sig Bet Sportzfan- Here's the bet: I bet both Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson will be drafted before Doug Martin. Doesn't matter what round any of these guys are drafted in. I expect TRich to come off the board 1st, then Miller/Wilson or Wilson/Miller. If Doug Martin is drafted before either Lamar Miller or David Wilson you would win the bet. Whoever wins the bet gets to chose what we want to put in the "SIG BOX". Like right now if you won, I would take my current SIG of KP laying wood on Mewelde Moore and change it to whatever you want. Are you game?</FONT>
Your just not getting it.. Why would i bet something i never said would happen? I said "i woulden't be surprised if Doug Martin ended up in RD 1.. I didn't say, hes gonna end up in RD 1, or get picked before either miller or wilson.. NFL teams make bad picks every yr and every rd, and plenty of times i don't agree with em.. As far as if teams take Miller or Wilson over Martin, thats fine, i just think they'll be wrong, and as it may be, i might be wrong...

heavyhitter
02-27-2012, 12:19 AM
<font size="2">And what I'm saying is BOTH David Wilson &amp; Lamar Miller will be drafted ahead of Doug Martin. I know you don't see it that way, but that's the way it will go down in this years draft. Like I said, I like Martin, but Miller and Wilson have clearly got the edge. SIG BET is still open </font>

God knows I have disagreed with NYC in the past, but I dont see how your
bet is even relevant. Your bet doesnt really have anything to do with
what NYC is saying.

He isnt saying Martin is going to be drafted 1st. He is saying in his opinion he should be drafted 1st(between those 3). So, even if he lost the bet it doesnt really have any bearing on his being right or wrong in this matter.
<font size="2">This doesn't have anything to do w/ how any of these guys will perform in the NFL. It's just a friendly bet saying Miller &amp; Wilson will come off the board before Doug Martin. That's it. I personally think all three of these guys will do well at the next level &amp; some websites are showing Doug Martin being drafted before Wilson/Miller. This bet could go either which way. Do you understand what I'm saying?</font>

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 12:23 AM
God Dang, Kashif Moore WR UCONN had a 43.5in vertical.. Poor dude played with the crap of the crap QB's, and needed something to stand out and get himself recognized, and that will help...

heavyhitter
02-27-2012, 12:25 AM
Please let us get out hands on <font size="3">Doug Martin RB Boise St</font>!! I'm telling ya, this kids next in line of the MJD and Ray Rice type backs.. <font size="3">Hes my 2nd rated RB, in my personal rankings..</font>.<font size="2">Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson have got the edge over Martin IMO.</font>
not to me they don't.. <font size="3">Not even close really.. I'm not that high on either Lamar Miller or David Wilson,</font> all though i'd certainly be intrigued if we were to get em... Doug Martin is a do everything back, who can retrun kicks, as well as be a ray rice type potent reciever outta the backfield, and hes got the kinda build i love for the pro game .. <font size="3">I think if Doug Martin played at Florida or Bama, he'd be a sure 1st rd pick, and to be bluntly honest, i won't be surprised if hes the 2nd RB taken in this draft,</font> as hes that good..<font size="2">First off, I like Doug Martin, but he's not on a Lamar Miller or David Wilson type level. Hell, I think Chris Polk may have the edge over Martin and end up being a more productive RB at the next level. Polk isn't a burner like Wilson &amp; Miller but he's got great hands and plays hard. Doug Martin is similar to MJD (not as fast) and will fit in all types of systems, Shotgun, spread, run-heavy, ect. One of the networks compared Martin to Ahmad Bradshaw &amp; I have to agree. Martin isn't a guy you're gonna build your offense around like you would w/ Richardson, Wilson, Miller, ect. Those 3 guys can handle a heavy workload &amp; carry the ball 20 plus times a game. I don't see that w/ Martin at the next level. He'll fit in nicely as a solid complementary back as part of a rotation IMO. With that said, I wouldn't mind the Giants drafting anyone of these studs! This RB class is pretty deep-
(no order)
1) Trent Richardson
2) David Wilson
3) Lamar Miller
4) Doug Martin
5) Chris Polk
6) LaMichael James
7) Bernard Pierce
8) Isaiah Pead
9) Cyrus Gray
10) Robert Turpin
11) Ronnie Hillman
12) Tauren Poole
13) Chris Rainey
14) Darrell Scott
15) Daniel Herron</font>
<font size="4">They </font>said the same thing about MJD and Ray Rice when they slipped to the 2nd rd, and i said the same thing about Ray Rice the yr he came out.. I'll take Doug Martin as the 2nd best RB in this class, and hes pretty darn fast as well... Hes been outstanding on the field, at the Sr Bowl, and now hes making noise at the combine, tying for the high on the bench press for RB's... Hes a beast...<font size="2">Who is they?</font>
THEY is the people that let MJD and Ray Rice go into the RD 2 area, because there was no way they were better then guys like Mendenhall, Felix Jones, and Jamal Charles, and for MJD, guys like Deangelo Williams, Joseph Addai and Lendale White.. Thats who "THEY" are...<font size="2">So "THEY" means NFL teams in general?</font>
And most So called "draft experts" as well.... Another words, its not always just the "rankings" must be right.. Just watch and look at Doug Martin, and its pretty easy to see hes gonna be a good one..<font size="2">There's no question he's got all the tools to be a good back at the next level, my thing is HOW GOOD WILL HE BE? I know you have him in your "personal rankings" as the #2 RB in the draft. I like Doug Martin, but I think there's a couple guys ahead of him in terms of talent. You seem to be pretty high on Doug Martin, you wanna make a sig bet?</font>
We'll just remeber now what we say, and give the other there props if there right.. I"m telling you, Doug martin is gonna be ridicluously hard to tackle with that center of gravity and on top of that, hes got serious shiftieness as well.. The thing is, it'll probably take a yr or 2 like it did for Ray Rice before his team realizes "screw that, this kids our 25carry back!". ya know? Unless Rice and MJD did enough all ready to shake the perception of the short guys having to be split the load backs?<font size="2">You didn't answer my question pal, let's make a SIG BET on Doug Martin and the NFL DRAFT, ok?</font>
dude, i have no clue what a "sig bet' is.. All i know is Doug Martin is insane and theres talk of him going top half of RD 2 now, according to Walter Football becasue of his all around sweet combine, which added to his all around sweet Sr Bowl, and all around sweet career.. I'll take Martin over David Wilson or Lamar Miller any day of the week, and twice on tuesday... Then again, i'm not a huge fan of either wilson or miller, so that is no surprise...<font size="2">A Sig Bet Sportzfan- Here's the bet: I bet both Lamar Miller &amp; David Wilson will be drafted before Doug Martin. Doesn't matter what round any of these guys are drafted in. I expect TRich to come off the board 1st, then Miller/Wilson or Wilson/Miller. If Doug Martin is drafted before either Lamar Miller or David Wilson you would win the bet. Whoever wins the bet gets to chose what we want to put in the "SIG BOX". Like right now if you won, I would take my current SIG of KP laying wood on Mewelde Moore and change it to whatever you want. Are you game?</font>
Your just not getting it.. Why would i bet something i never said would happen? I said "i woulden't be surprised if Doug Martin ended up in RD 1.. I didn't say, hes gonna end up in RD 1, or get picked before either miller or wilson.. NFL teams make bad picks every yr and every rd, and plenty of times i don't agree with em.. As far as if teams take Miller or Wilson over Martin, thats fine, i just think they'll be wrong, and as it may be, i might be wrong...<font size="2">It's a simple prediction man, that's all it is. What do you gotta lose, seriously? One word, IN or OUT on the SIG BET. What's it gonna be Sportzfan?</font>

BlueSanta
02-27-2012, 12:30 AM
Your pretty much right as far as what i was saying, but to further explain, all i was saying is, "i woulden't be surprised if he ended up in the very late first rd(thinking like last couple picks), all though, that would be a stretch, as i more see him as a early 2nd rder, but i woulden't be completely surprised is all.. And bang, theres all ready chatter about him being a early 2nd rd pick, which i think he will be..</p>


</p>


Its funny because when vlad ducasse and linval joseph were coming out, i said the same things about them being 2nd rders, way before there was any chatter at all about it, and actually got into a very heated arguement with one guy who got banned on here about Ducasse going that high, because at the time, he was perdicted to be a 5th rd pick(again, as u know, i got UMASS knowledge living so close), and they both ended up where? In the 2nd rd... As far as Linval Joseph, i actually had him as a guy who i thought could surprise and end up at the end of RD 1, but at worst, be a 2nd rder, and at the time, he was considered like a late 3rd rd pick</p>


Now thats not to toot my horn or anything, but just kinda say, don't always beleive the so called "rankings".. If u can clearly see talent and believe in it, go out on the line and say it, becuase there the draft is all most always so much diffrent then we think its gonna be by the time its said and done..</p>

Yep, and I think there is another side to the draft and player ratings that people always forget.


The sites and "experts" have 2 responsibilities:1) to rate the players and 2) try to guess what order NFL teams rate those players so they dont look like idiots come draft day.

People may not like to hear this, but guys like Casserly and even Mayock are not always the best at predicting drafts because they rated the players the best, but rather because they have connections in organizations and inside information that lets them know how NFL teams rate those guys. They are highly respected and trusted guys around the league. Still, I have seen Mayock change his player ratings based on info he has about what team likes what player very much. You, and me, and everyone else on these boards cant do that.

Its reported guys like McShay and Kiper are not generally liked around the league. They have less inside info. So their rating are generally MUCH more based on just their opinion and ratings. But, I give em props for putting em out there.

I will say this about those 3 RBs, dependant on whether or not a team is a grass or turf team, indoor or out will greatly impact the rankings of the RB class.

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 12:38 AM
Ya, i'm good with that dude.. I'm just gonna watch and see what happens.. Its not a bet im interested in really.. Thanks for asking though... I'll take the bowling ball 5ft 9in 223lb 4.47 40 kid who catches the ball and returns kicks as well, but some teams are looking for a speedster, like David Wilson, who will lose huge chunks of yards trying to make something outta nothing sometimes, but also break a big one at any time.. Its basically all in what your looking for or want or need in a back...I personally love Ray Rice/ MJD/ Doug Martin type backs.. Some like Shady McCoy/ Cj Spiller/ David Wilson type backs.. Its all in what u want and need or have for that matter..

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 12:42 AM
Your pretty much right as far as what i was saying, but to further explain, all i was saying is, "i woulden't be surprised if he ended up in the very late first rd(thinking like last couple picks), all though, that would be a stretch, as i more see him as a early 2nd rder, but i woulden't be completely surprised is all.. And bang, theres all ready chatter about him being a early 2nd rd pick, which i think he will be..</P>


</P>


Its funny because when vlad ducasse and linval joseph were coming out, i said the same things about them being 2nd rders, way before there was any chatter at all about it, and actually got into a very heated arguement with one guy who got banned on here about Ducasse going that high, because at the time, he was perdicted to be a 5th rd pick(again, as u know, i got UMASS knowledge living so close), and they both ended up where? In the 2nd rd... As far as Linval Joseph, i actually had him as a guy who i thought could surprise and end up at the end of RD 1, but at worst, be a 2nd rder, and at the time, he was considered like a late 3rd rd pick</P>


Now thats not to toot my horn or anything, but just kinda say, don't always beleive the so called "rankings".. If u can clearly see talent and believe in it, go out on the line and say it, becuase there the draft is all most always so much diffrent then we think its gonna be by the time its said and done..</P>

Yep, and I think there is another side to the draft and player ratings that people always forget.


The sites and "experts" have 2 responsibilities:1) to rate the players and 2) try to guess what order NFL teams rate those players so they dont look like idiots come draft day.

People may not like to hear this, but guys like Casserly and even Mayock are not always the best at predicting drafts because they rated the players the best, but rather because they have connections in organizations and inside information that lets them know how NFL teams rate those guys. They are highly respected and trusted guys around the league. Still, I have seen Mayock change his player ratings based on info he has about what team likes what player very much. You, and me, and everyone else on these boards cant do that.

Its reported guys like McShay and Kiper are not generally liked around the league. They have less inside info. So their rating are generally MUCH more based on just their opinion and ratings. But, I give em props for putting em out there.

I will say this about those 3 RBs, dependant on whether or not a team is a grass or turf team, indoor or out will greatly impact the rankings of the RB class.





And as u said, Mayock is pretty darn good, and even he is completely in LF on some guys in his rankings as far as where they go, and even more so, how they do as pro's...Didn't he have Brian Robiske ahead of Hakeem Nicks?

heavyhitter
02-27-2012, 12:51 AM
Ya, i'm good with that dude.. I'm just gonna watch and see what happens.. Its not a bet im interested in really.. Thanks for asking though... I'll take the bowling ball 5ft 9in 223lb 4.47 40 kid who catches the ball and returns kicks as well, but some teams are looking for a speedster, like David Wilson, who will lose huge chunks of yards trying to make something outta nothing sometimes, but also break a big one at any time.. Its basically all in what your looking for or want or need in a back...I personally love Ray Rice/ MJD/ Doug Martin type backs.. Some like Shady McCoy/ Cj Spiller/ David Wilson type backs.. Its all in what u want and need or have for that matter..<font size="2">I like backs that can play football, point blank. And in this draft, there's plenty of those backs including TRich, Lamar Miller, David Wilson, Doug Martin, ect. I don't have a personal preference in playing styles like you stated above. Oh well, I guess there's no SIG BET. You're soft Sportzfan! j/k</font>

tonyt830
02-27-2012, 07:56 AM
I do like this years RB and WR class----very deep.



After Trent Richardson, who knows who goes next. I guess it depends what a particular team is looking for. In todays NFL, you like to have complimentary backs. If the Giants went after a Martin, Wilson, Miller, Pead, Turbin---I would be ok.



I guess it all depends on FA and if Jacobs will be back.

tonyt830
02-27-2012, 08:00 AM
I have my DVR ready for the DL and LB workouts today. I'm sure there will be some guys that open eyes, and on the flip side, there will be some that don't impress.



Who knows, we may see a potential Giants 1st rd defensive linemen on the field today. I honestly would not be shocked if Reese picked another D-linemen in the 1st rd, especially if they are the bpa.

Redeyejedi
02-27-2012, 08:40 AM
I do like this years RB and WR class----very deep.



After Trent Richardson, who knows who goes next. I guess it depends what a particular team is looking for. In todays NFL, you like to have complimentary backs. If the Giants went after a Martin, Wilson, Miller, Pead, Turbin---I would be ok.



I guess it all depends on FA and if Jacobs will be back.I think Lamar Miller goes off the board 2nd.

Tier 1
Trent Richardson

Tier 2

Lamar Miller
Doug Martin

Tier 3
David Wilson
Chris Polk

Tier 4

Pead
James
Pierce

BlueSanta
02-27-2012, 10:31 AM
I do like this years RB and WR class----very deep.



After Trent Richardson, who knows who goes next. I guess it depends what a particular team is looking for. In todays NFL, you like to have complimentary backs. If the Giants went after a Martin, Wilson, Miller, Pead, Turbin---I would be ok.



I guess it all depends on FA and if Jacobs will be back.I think Lamar Miller goes off the board 2nd.

Tier 1
Trent Richardson

Tier 2

Lamar Miller
Doug Martin

Tier 3
David Wilson
Chris Polk

Tier 4

Pead
James
Pierce

I would argue Wilson is tier 2.

The amazing thing is the tier 4 this year is about as good as the tier 2 in other years.

Redeyejedi
02-27-2012, 10:42 AM
Cox didnt run a 4.68- 4.69 like I thought. He ran a 4.79. However his 10 yard split of 1.63 was tied for the second best time of all the lineman through the first run. The same 10 yard split as Bruce Irvin and Coples at 298 pounds. The same as Lamichael James as well.Andre Branch was the fastest as a 1.56. A Split like that is incredible for a big guy. He is going to be a nasty inside pass rusher

BlueSanta
02-27-2012, 10:51 AM
Cox didnt run a 4.68- 4.69 like I thought. He ran a 4.79. However his 10 yard split of 1.63 was tied for the second best time of all the lineman through the first run. The same 10 yard split as Bruce Irvin and Coples at 298 pounds. The same as Lamichael James as well.Andre Branch was the fastest as a 1.56. A Split like that is incredible for a big guy. He is going to be a nasty inside pass rusher

He passes the eye test too. He just looks strong, even among his peers.

critters
02-27-2012, 11:08 AM
4.82 for Chandler Jones. Kinda surprised by that.

tonyt830
02-27-2012, 11:14 AM
I do like this years RB and WR class----very deep.



After Trent Richardson, who knows who goes next. I guess it depends what a particular team is looking for. In todays NFL, you like to have complimentary backs. If the Giants went after a Martin, Wilson, Miller, Pead, Turbin---I would be ok.



I guess it all depends on FA and if Jacobs will be back.I think Lamar Miller goes off the board 2nd.

Tier 1
Trent Richardson

Tier 2

Lamar Miller
Doug Martin

Tier 3
David Wilson
Chris Polk

Tier 4

Pead
James
Pierce

I would argue Wilson is tier 2.

The amazing thing is the tier 4 this year is about as good as the tier 2 in other years.
Yeah tier 4 is by no means a bad group to select from.

killerblue8787
02-27-2012, 11:37 AM
what is the skinny on ingram the will he be available at 32

Raptor22
02-27-2012, 12:25 PM
what is the skinny on ingram the will he be available at 32

Unless he gets busted with weed, gets hurt, or something similar, he's going top 10. Mayock agrees with me: Ingram = Justin Tuck.

In other news, Mercilus just threw down a 4.6sec 40yrd dash, with a 1.57sec 10-yard split. Simply Awesome

(And as I type that, Nick Perry threw down a 4.5 40)

Spizi
02-27-2012, 12:28 PM
You wanna talk about an athlete?? Nick Perry at 6'3 270 lbs just ran a 4.50, 38.5 inch vertical, 35 reps on the bench and long arms. RIDICULOUS

killerblue8787
02-27-2012, 12:30 PM
how bout poe he did alot on the bench press then at 345 pounds just ran a 4.87 unoffically on the 40 what is his range, sorry guys about stupid questions like this i do not watch alot of college footbal so i do not know as much

buddy33
02-27-2012, 12:32 PM
Yeah Poe has just raised his stock at this combine.

Redeyejedi
02-27-2012, 12:35 PM
I wish I had games of Poe I cant find them anywhere

Redeyejedi
02-27-2012, 12:54 PM
Poes numbers are the most freakish Ive ever seen. A 346 pound man should not be able to run that fast. Even his split 1.7 is very strong

Comparison for Poe, Haloti Ngata at 338 pounds ran a 5.13 with a 1.73 split and had 37 reps

Redeyejedi
02-27-2012, 03:02 PM
Kuechly just ran a 4.5 40 Incredible time for him. He had an outstanding combine.
Vontaze Burfict 4.93 as he continues to systemically destroy his draft stock in every possible way

Hightower a 4.62 very nice time

Redeyejedi
02-27-2012, 03:04 PM
Why the Combine means very little . According to 40 yard dash times Luke Kuechly is faster then Kendall Wright

Neverend
02-27-2012, 03:16 PM
Meh. David runs a 4.56. His height and arm length could drop him big-time in this draft. But I think his great combination of instincts, coverage skills, and athleticism keeps him in the top 100

Redeyejedi
02-27-2012, 03:18 PM
Burficts 2nd attempt a 5.10

There is no way he goes in the first round he may fall into the middle rounds

tdawg1413
02-27-2012, 03:22 PM
Burficts 2nd attempt a 5.10

There is no way he goes in the first round he may fall into the middle rounds

He may fall to the 5th-7th round range with this performance.

Redeyejedi
02-27-2012, 03:25 PM
Mychael Kendricks with an awesome 4.41. Great competitior all around player. Does a little of everything

BluGiantPies
02-27-2012, 03:27 PM
Poes numbers are the most freakish Ive ever seen. A 346 pound man should not be able to run that fast. Even his split 1.7 is very strong

Comparison for Poe, Haloti Ngata at 338 pounds ran a 5.13 with a 1.73 split and had 37 reps
Poe is the jpp of nose tackles he's going top 15 now more then likely. Shame he would look great next to linval in blue.

KennyPhillips21
02-27-2012, 03:30 PM
Burficts 2nd attempt a 5.10

There is no way he goes in the first round he may fall into the middle rounds

He may fall to the 5th-7th round range with this performance.
agreed

critters
02-27-2012, 03:39 PM
I said before I'd be shocked if he made it out of the 2nd. Not anymore.

Raptor22
02-27-2012, 03:41 PM
Poes numbers are the most freakish Ive ever seen. A 346 pound man should not be able to run that fast. Even his split 1.7 is very strong

Comparison for Poe, Haloti Ngata at 338 pounds ran a 5.13 with a 1.73 split and had 37 reps
Poe is the jpp of nose tackles he's going top 15 now more then likely. Shame he would look great next to linval in blue.

Poe would be absolutely wasted at Nose. With his athleticism, he's a jumbo sized 3-tech.

TheEnigma
02-27-2012, 03:41 PM
I know it's just the combine but damn Poe...

I don't see how this guy gets past 15 at this point with his physical abilities and size.

Neverend
02-27-2012, 03:42 PM
I think demario davis is pretty underrated. Hopefully his performance here improves his draft stock

critters
02-27-2012, 03:57 PM
I think demario davis is pretty underrated. Hopefully his performance here improves his draft stock

I hope it doesn't. He's my top sleeper in the draft and a guy I have us mocked as taking in a late round. I hope everyone keeps forgetting about the guy so we can get him late.

BlueSanta
02-27-2012, 04:10 PM
Kuechly just ran a 4.5 40 Incredible time for him. He had an outstanding combine.
Vontaze Burfict 4.93 as he continues to systemically destroy his draft stock in every possible way

Hightower a 4.62 very nice time

I told people that after watching the 2 FSU game tapes(2010 &amp; 2011) people were vastly underrating his athleticism.

Just watch the play where he runs down Davnta Freeman of FSU. Freeman is a lightning fast freshman at FSU who people will know more about in a year or 2.

Then watch how many tackles he makes are along the sidelines. It was clear that FSU's gameplan was to attack the edges of that defense, that would normally negate a MLB, or at least tire him to the point of inneffectivity, but not Kuechly.

Raptor22
02-27-2012, 04:14 PM
JMJ, Tank Carder, and Audie Cole have looked good out there. Possible mid-round prospects.


I know it's just the combine but damn Poe...

I don't see how this guy gets past 15 at this point with his physical abilities and size.

Level of competition and rawness.

but 15 is probably about where I'm thinking he'll go.

BlueSanta
02-27-2012, 04:18 PM
Burficts 2nd attempt a 5.10

There is no way he goes in the first round he may fall into the middle rounds

I remember a couple years ago when Brandon Spikes ran a 5.0 how devastating it was to his stock. Brandon's tape was 100x better than Burficts and he was 1000x the leader Bufict is.

I actually Liken Burficts stock to former LSU linebacker Ali Highsmith. Prior to the combine people were talking about Ali as a top 15 pick. Several people on these boards were clamoring for him.

Then he come to the combine and ran a 4.95 and a 5.03. Rumors were he interviewed horribly too.


He went undrafted.


I think Burfict will be drafted but now I think it will be as low as the 5th round. It could be even lower.

myles2424
02-27-2012, 04:21 PM
I think demario davis is pretty underrated. Hopefully his performance here improves his draft stock

I hope it doesn't. He's my top sleeper in the draft and a guy I have us mocked as taking in a late round. I hope everyone keeps forgetting about the guy so we can get him late.
what about mychael kendricks? Geez, 4.4.....looked good in the drills,PAC 12 defensive player of the year......idk how nobody's talked about this guy until now

BlueSanta
02-27-2012, 04:29 PM
Poes numbers are the most freakish Ive ever seen. A 346 pound man should not be able to run that fast. Even his split 1.7 is very strong

Comparison for Poe, Haloti Ngata at 338 pounds ran a 5.13 with a 1.73 split and had 37 reps
Poe is the jpp of nose tackles he's going top 15 now more then likely. Shame he would look great next to linval in blue.

Poe would be absolutely wasted at Nose. With his athleticism, he's a jumbo sized 3-tech.

Nah, despite his numbers he isnt a penetration guy as much as he is a space eating, immovable object.

He does get good push, but he is meant for the NT position.

People also gotta consider this kid has only been lifting weights for a 3 years or so. It is very fair to say he will be stronger in a year than he is now. Thats not usually the case with draftees who get in the best shape of their life for the combine.

heavyhitter
02-27-2012, 04:58 PM
Burficts 2nd attempt a 5.10

There is no way he goes in the first round he may fall into the middle rounds

I remember a couple years ago when Brandon Spikes ran a 5.0 how devastating it was to his stock. Brandon's tape was 100x better than Burficts and he was 1000x the leader Bufict is.

I actually Liken Burficts stock to former LSU linebacker Ali Highsmith. Prior to the combine people were talking about Ali as a top 15 pick. Several people on these boards were clamoring for him.

Then he come to the combine and ran a 4.95 and a 5.03. Rumors were he interviewed horribly too.


He went undrafted.


I think Burfict will be drafted but now I think it will be as low as the 5th round. It could be even lower.
Very possible

heavyhitter
02-27-2012, 05:01 PM
Kuechly just ran a 4.5 40 Incredible time for him. He had an outstanding combine.
Vontaze Burfict 4.93 as he continues to systemically destroy his draft stock in every possible way

Hightower a 4.62 very nice time

I told people that after watching the 2 FSU game tapes(2010 &amp; 2011) people were vastly underrating his athleticism.

Just watch the play where he runs down Davnta Freeman of FSU. <font size="3">Freeman is a lightning fast freshman at FSU who people will know more about in a year or 2.
</font>
Then watch how many tackles he makes are along the sidelines. It was clear that FSU's gameplan was to attack the edges of that defense, that would normally negate a MLB, or at least tire him to the point of inneffectivity, but not Kuechly.
<font size="2">Freeman is lightning in a bottle, fun to watch. Really impressed as a freshman. I'm anxious to see how Mario Pender pans out. He looks to be another promising RB if he can keep his nose clean &amp; stay out of trouble.</font>

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 06:00 PM
Kuechly just ran a 4.5 40 Incredible time for him. He had an outstanding combine. Vontaze Burfict 4.93 as he continues to systemically destroy his draft stock in every possible way Hightower a 4.62 very nice time

I told people that after watching the 2 FSU game tapes(2010 &amp; 2011) people were vastly underrating his athleticism.

Just watch the play where he runs down Davnta Freeman of FSU. Freeman is a lightning fast freshman at FSU who people will know more about in a year or 2.

Then watch how many tackles he makes are along the sidelines. It was clear that FSU's gameplan was to attack the edges of that defense, that would normally negate a MLB, or at least tire him to the point of inneffectivity, but not Kuechly.
I seen him catch Lamar Miller who had a head of steam and the only person left that had a chance at the line of scrimmage(it was a outside run), was kuechly, adn he caught em.. Thats when i mentioned his speed..

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 06:05 PM
Ya, i'm good with that dude.. I'm just gonna watch and see what happens.. Its not a bet im interested in really.. Thanks for asking though... I'll take the bowling ball 5ft 9in 223lb 4.47 40 kid who catches the ball and returns kicks as well, but some teams are looking for a speedster, like David Wilson, who will lose huge chunks of yards trying to make something outta nothing sometimes, but also break a big one at any time.. Its basically all in what your looking for or want or need in a back...I personally love Ray Rice/ MJD/ Doug Martin type backs.. Some like Shady McCoy/ Cj Spiller/ David Wilson type backs.. Its all in what u want and need or have for that matter..<FONT size=2>I like backs that can play football, point blank. And in this draft, there's plenty of those backs including TRich, Lamar Miller, David Wilson, Doug Martin, ect. I don't have a personal preference in playing styles like you stated above. Oh well, I guess there's no SIG BET. You're soft Sportzfan! j/k</FONT>
Ya, don't get me wrong, i like "football" players more then anyone probably on these boards.. I just feel the MJD/ Ray Rice/ D.Martin type backs, are so freaking dominant, because they just can do everything, and have body types, that for the most part, keep them healthy, becasue of how thick they are, that its really enticing.. Doug Martin just seems to me like a guy whos gonna be a workhorse, and can pretty much do anything u ask, include return kicks... With the offense we run, i think a bowling ball fits better, then a outside running speedster, which is what david wilson is..

Neverend
02-27-2012, 06:10 PM
I love martin too. So polished, always plays low, and is just as good as richardson at breaking/bouncing off tackles at a consistent level.

really wish rb was a need this year. organization seems content with jacobs =[

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 06:10 PM
Cox didnt run a 4.68- 4.69 like I thought. He ran a 4.79. However his 10 yard split of 1.63 was tied for the second best time of all the lineman through the first run. The same 10 yard split as Bruce Irvin and Coples at 298 pounds. The same as Lamichael James as well.Andre Branch was the fastest as a 1.56. A Split like that is incredible for a big guy. He is going to be a nasty inside pass rusher

He passes the eye test too. He just looks strong, even among his peers.
Ya, there is no surprise with Fletcher Cox from me, i expected him to be a beast, i've been raving about Cox for quite awhile now.... Hes the complete package, and his strength is really underrated, and hes got the motor to go with that strength.. He just looks ripped is what i was saying well before this combine, and well before he did 30reps on the press with 34.5in arms.. I've had him right there with Devon Still weeks, and probably even a month ago.. Basically once i really started becoming familiar with Cox, is when i've started raving about him, and putting him up there with Whitney Mercilus and a couple others, as guys i dream the giants will have a chance at in the draft...

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 06:14 PM
I love martin too. So polished, always plays low, and is just as good as richardson at breaking/bouncing off tackles at a consistent level. really wish rb was a need this year. organization seems content with jacobs =[ Ya, but u would think we'd be pretty sure that this would be the last yr they can trust BJ's skills, and possibly draft his successor, and even have em as the 3rd down back behind AB and BJ... Doug Martin will be gone before we pick in RD 2, and that guy is my dream back, but there is plenty of other sensational backs, like Pead, Turbin, Ballard, and so on and so fourth, who could fit nicely as our 3rd back, and future 2, and possibly future 1...

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 06:14 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/college/MississippiState_logo.gif Fletcher Cox, DE/DT, Mississippi State http://www.walterfootball.com/images/up2.gif
Warren Sapp called Fletcher Cox "his guy." Cox was highly impressive at the Combine, running a 4.79 40 with a 1.63 10-yard split despite measuring in at 6-4, 298. Cox also benched 30 reps despite having 34 1/2-inch arms. To top it off, he was terrific in the field drills. He could be chosen in the first half this April.

Raptor22
02-27-2012, 06:22 PM
Ya, i'm good with that dude.. I'm just gonna watch and see what happens.. Its not a bet im interested in really.. Thanks for asking though... I'll take the bowling ball 5ft 9in 223lb 4.47 40 kid who catches the ball and returns kicks as well, but some teams are looking for a speedster, like David Wilson, who will lose huge chunks of yards trying to make something outta nothing sometimes, but also break a big one at any time.. Its basically all in what your looking for or want or need in a back...I personally love Ray Rice/ MJD/ Doug Martin type backs.. Some like Shady McCoy/ Cj Spiller/ David Wilson type backs.. Its all in what u want and need or have for that matter..<font size="2">I like backs that can play football, point blank. And in this draft, there's plenty of those backs including TRich, Lamar Miller, David Wilson, Doug Martin, ect. I don't have a personal preference in playing styles like you stated above. Oh well, I guess there's no SIG BET. You're soft Sportzfan! j/k</font>
Ya, don't get me wrong, i like "football" players more then anyone probably on these boards.. I just feel the MJD/ Ray Rice/ D.Martin type backs, are so freaking dominant, because they just can do everything, and have body types, that for the most part, keep them healthy, becasue of how thick they are, that its really enticing.. Doug Martin just seems to me like a guy whos gonna be a workhorse, and can pretty much do anything u ask, include return kicks... With the offense we run, i think a bowling ball fits better, then a outside running speedster, which is what david wilson is..

Agreed. Also, the low, thick, bowling ball guys are just plain hard to tackle. Yeah, he might not break one, but I'll take a steady diet of 5.5ypc over runs of 1,-1,0,4,0,20. Oh, and Martin can catch.

I'm also warming to Rob Turbin as well (unsurprising as they're very similar players)

tonyt830
02-27-2012, 06:36 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/college/MississippiState_logo.gif Fletcher Cox, DE/DT, Mississippi State http://www.walterfootball.com/images/up2.gif
Warren Sapp called Fletcher Cox "his guy." Cox was highly impressive at the Combine, running a 4.79 40 with a 1.63 10-yard split despite measuring in at 6-4, 298. Cox also benched 30 reps despite having 34 1/2-inch arms. To top it off, he was terrific in the field drills. He could be chosen in the first half this April.
nyc, I did not watch all of todays combine yet. I watched some of the LBs 40s and drills. I did see some of the D-Line highlights and was very impressed in Cox and Poe.</P>


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You think Cox could be there at 32? If Reese sees him as BPA, I can see him a Giant, regardless of need at TE and OT. I see Poe going to a 3-4 team that needs a NT. The Steelers come to mind, but I can see the Texans or Chargers being in play for Poe as well.</P>

Neverend
02-27-2012, 06:39 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/college/MississippiState_logo.gif Fletcher Cox, DE/DT, Mississippi State http://www.walterfootball.com/images/up2.gif
Warren Sapp called Fletcher Cox "his guy." Cox was highly impressive at the Combine, running a 4.79 40 with a 1.63 10-yard split despite measuring in at 6-4, 298. Cox also benched 30 reps despite having 34 1/2-inch arms. To top it off, he was terrific in the field drills. He could be chosen in the first half this April.
nyc, I did not watch all of todays combine yet.* I watched some of the LBs 40s and drills.* I did see some of the D-Line highlights and was very impressed in Cox and Poe.</P>


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You think Cox could be there at 32?* If Reese sees him as BPA, I can see him a Giant, regardless of need at TE and OT.* I see Poe going to a 3-4 team that needs a NT.* The Steelers come to mind, but I can see the Texans or Chargers being in play for Poe as well.</P>

I think its a possibility. Its getting highly redundant hearing the whole "a lock for top 20" stuff with every impressive combine participant. There's the top 12 locks and 20 picks afterwards. Definitely believe a Cox could easily fall into the mid-late 20s. Cant see Cox getting past New England

tonyt830
02-27-2012, 06:40 PM
Burficts 2nd attempt a 5.10 There is no way he goes in the first round he may fall into the middle rounds

I remember a couple years ago when Brandon Spikes ran a 5.0 how devastating it was to his stock. Brandon's tape was 100x better than Burficts and he was 1000x the leader Bufict is.

I actually Liken Burficts stock to former LSU linebacker Ali Highsmith. Prior to the combine people were talking about Ali as a top 15 pick. Several people on these boards were clamoring for him.

Then he come to the combine and ran a 4.95 and a 5.03. Rumors were he interviewed horribly too.


He went undrafted.


I think Burfict will be drafted but now I think it will be as low as the 5th round. It could be even lower.
Very possible
I was somewhat shocked at Burfict's 40 times. But I heard Mayock make a comment regarding him not seeing a lot of good tape on Burfict,(paraphrasing), and not even taking into account his lack of discipline and bone head penalties.</P>


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I wonder if Burfict bounces back and has a better pro day? I know the combine is only 1 part of the evaluation process, and I'm just throwing out my opinion, but I could see Burfict drop to the 3rd rd.</P>

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 06:59 PM
http://www.walterfootball.com/college/MississippiState_logo.gif Fletcher Cox, DE/DT, Mississippi State http://www.walterfootball.com/images/up2.gif
Warren Sapp called Fletcher Cox "his guy." Cox was highly impressive at the Combine, running a 4.79 40 with a 1.63 10-yard split despite measuring in at 6-4, 298. Cox also benched 30 reps despite having 34 1/2-inch arms. To top it off, he was terrific in the field drills. He could be chosen in the first half this April.
nyc, I did not watch all of todays combine yet. I watched some of the LBs 40s and drills. I did see some of the D-Line highlights and was very impressed in Cox and Poe.</P>


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You think Cox could be there at 32? If Reese sees him as BPA, I can see him a Giant, regardless of need at TE and OT. I see Poe going to a 3-4 team that needs a NT. The Steelers come to mind, but I can see the Texans or Chargers being in play for Poe as well.</P> I think its a possibility. Its getting highly redundant hearing the whole "a lock for top 20" stuff with every impressive combine participant. There's the top 12 locks and 20 picks afterwards. Definitely believe a Cox could easily fall into the mid-late 20s. Cant see Cox getting past New England I don't think theres a chance that eiether of my 2dream scenarios in RD 1 are gonna be there, nor did i think they really had a chance before the combine, as i thought they'd gain steam from the combine, which is what Fletcher Cox and Whitney Mercilus both did today.. I think Mercilus would be a riser come draft time, and hes currently all ready risen from top of RD 2, to possible 1st rder, to 15-25 range of RD 1... As for cox, all u gotta do is watch him play to see hes gonna rise once people start becoming familiar with him, which has now happened.. hence why they were dream scenarios for me.. Then again, anythings possible come draft time, but i just don't see it, nor did i see it...

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 07:03 PM
Ya, i'm good with that dude.. I'm just gonna watch and see what happens.. Its not a bet im interested in really.. Thanks for asking though... I'll take the bowling ball 5ft 9in 223lb 4.47 40 kid who catches the ball and returns kicks as well, but some teams are looking for a speedster, like David Wilson, who will lose huge chunks of yards trying to make something outta nothing sometimes, but also break a big one at any time.. Its basically all in what your looking for or want or need in a back...I personally love Ray Rice/ MJD/ Doug Martin type backs.. Some like Shady McCoy/ Cj Spiller/ David Wilson type backs.. Its all in what u want and need or have for that matter..<FONT size=2>I like backs that can play football, point blank. And in this draft, there's plenty of those backs including TRich, Lamar Miller, David Wilson, Doug Martin, ect. I don't have a personal preference in playing styles like you stated above. Oh well, I guess there's no SIG BET. You're soft Sportzfan! j/k</FONT>
Ya, don't get me wrong, i like "football" players more then anyone probably on these boards.. I just feel the MJD/ Ray Rice/ D.Martin type backs, are so freaking dominant, because they just can do everything, and have body types, that for the most part, keep them healthy, becasue of how thick they are, that its really enticing.. Doug Martin just seems to me like a guy whos gonna be a workhorse, and can pretty much do anything u ask, include return kicks... With the offense we run, i think a bowling ball fits better, then a outside running speedster, which is what david wilson is..

Agreed. Also, the low, thick, bowling ball guys are just plain hard to tackle. Yeah, he might not break one, but I'll take a steady diet of 5.5ypc over runs of 1,-1,0,4,0,20. Oh, and Martin can catch.

I'm also warming to Rob Turbin as well (unsurprising as they're very similar players)
not to mention, both turbin and martin can break one as well.. Sure, there not gonna be known as game breaking runners, but there solid 40times kinda give u the idea that it can be done, and i've seen Doug Martin take a KO back to the house, showing his long speed... Turbin and Bernard Pierce are both runners i'd like to have in the RD 3 range, if they were available adn we went RB.. Martin will be gone before we pick in RD 2, so i have a feeling hes not gonna be a giant..

BlueSanta
02-27-2012, 07:49 PM
Burficts 2nd attempt a 5.10 There is no way he goes in the first round he may fall into the middle rounds

I remember a couple years ago when Brandon Spikes ran a 5.0 how devastating it was to his stock. Brandon's tape was 100x better than Burficts and he was 1000x the leader Bufict is.

I actually Liken Burficts stock to former LSU linebacker Ali Highsmith. Prior to the combine people were talking about Ali as a top 15 pick. Several people on these boards were clamoring for him.

Then he come to the combine and ran a 4.95 and a 5.03. Rumors were he interviewed horribly too.


He went undrafted.


I think Burfict will be drafted but now I think it will be as low as the 5th round. It could be even lower.
Very possible
I was somewhat shocked at Burfict's 40 times. But I heard Mayock make a comment regarding him not seeing a lot of good tape on Burfict,(paraphrasing), and not even taking into account his lack of discipline and bone head penalties.</p>


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I wonder if Burfict bounces back and has a better pro day? I know the combine is only 1 part of the evaluation process, and I'm just throwing out my opinion, but I could see Burfict drop to the 3rd rd.</p>
Well, not to beat a dead horse, but several players on these boards have been saying his tape is garbage for months.

I know NYC, Redi, Slip, myself among others have all said his tape from last year is not pretty at all. Its not like the 4 of us agree on much else either. I honestly think anyone who watched it with an unbiased eye would be hard pressed to argue his poor play.

The problem is people go to youtube and watch a "big hits" compilation of Burfict and think that because he took someone's head off, or pointed his finger in an nasty way he is suddenly a good football player. Fact is, those "big hit" videos dont show the mistakes, or the "big hit wiffs", or the massive amounts of penalties, or the time he was benched, or that he was the 3rd best player on his own defense last year, or that it is widely rumored his own teamates and school did NOT want him to come back next year.

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 08:12 PM
Burficts 2nd attempt a 5.10 There is no way he goes in the first round he may fall into the middle rounds

I remember a couple years ago when Brandon Spikes ran a 5.0 how devastating it was to his stock. Brandon's tape was 100x better than Burficts and he was 1000x the leader Bufict is.

I actually Liken Burficts stock to former LSU linebacker Ali Highsmith. Prior to the combine people were talking about Ali as a top 15 pick. Several people on these boards were clamoring for him.

Then he come to the combine and ran a 4.95 and a 5.03. Rumors were he interviewed horribly too.


He went undrafted.


I think Burfict will be drafted but now I think it will be as low as the 5th round. It could be even lower.
Very possible
I was somewhat shocked at Burfict's 40 times. But I heard Mayock make a comment regarding him not seeing a lot of good tape on Burfict,(paraphrasing), and not even taking into account his lack of discipline and bone head penalties.</P>


</P>


I wonder if Burfict bounces back and has a better pro day? I know the combine is only 1 part of the evaluation process, and I'm just throwing out my opinion, but I could see Burfict drop to the 3rd rd.</P>
Well, not to beat a dead horse, but several players on these boards have been saying his tape is garbage for months.

I know NYC, Redi, Slip, myself among others have all said his tape from last year is not pretty at all. Its not like the 4 of us agree on much else either. I honestly think anyone who watched it with an unbiased eye would be hard pressed to argue his poor play.

The problem is people go to youtube and watch a "big hits" compilation of Burfict and think that because he took someone's head off, or pointed his finger in an nasty way he is suddenly a good football player. Fact is, those "big hit" videos dont show the mistakes, or the "big hit wiffs", or the massive amounts of penalties, or the time he was benched, or that he was the 3rd best player on his own defense last year, or that it is widely rumored his own teamates and school did NOT want him to come back next year.
very rare, that i'd say something like this, but i think Burficts a flat out bum.. Nothing outside of his physical presence that is enticing to me...

Raptor22
02-27-2012, 09:07 PM
Has anyone gotten a good look at Trumaine Johnson (CB, Montana)? Mayock's talked him up as a small-school sleeper, and after doing some research, he looks like he could be a Giants pick:

6'2", 204, good speed on film, good tackler, something of a ballhawk (14ints, 34pbu's in college). Good in press-man, but played little zone.

The biggest knock on him seems to be level of competition.

BlueSanta
02-27-2012, 09:18 PM
Has anyone gotten a good look at Trumaine Johnson (CB, Montana)? Mayock's talked him up as a small-school sleeper, and after doing some research, he looks like he could be a Giants pick:

6'2", 204, good speed on film, good tackler, something of a ballhawk (14ints, 34pbu's in college). Good in press-man, but played little zone.

The biggest knock on him seems to be level of competition.


Its really the only knock on him. that is, unless something really bad happens tomorrow.

But he is a good player from all I could gather and see.

tonyt830
02-27-2012, 09:21 PM
Burficts 2nd attempt a 5.10 There is no way he goes in the first round he may fall into the middle rounds

I remember a couple years ago when Brandon Spikes ran a 5.0 how devastating it was to his stock. Brandon's tape was 100x better than Burficts and he was 1000x the leader Bufict is.

I actually Liken Burficts stock to former LSU linebacker Ali Highsmith. Prior to the combine people were talking about Ali as a top 15 pick. Several people on these boards were clamoring for him.

Then he come to the combine and ran a 4.95 and a 5.03. Rumors were he interviewed horribly too.


He went undrafted.


I think Burfict will be drafted but now I think it will be as low as the 5th round. It could be even lower.
Very possible
I was somewhat shocked at Burfict's 40 times. But I heard Mayock make a comment regarding him not seeing a lot of good tape on Burfict,(paraphrasing), and not even taking into account his lack of discipline and bone head penalties.</P>


</P>


I wonder if Burfict bounces back and has a better pro day? I know the combine is only 1 part of the evaluation process, and I'm just throwing out my opinion, but I could see Burfict drop to the 3rd rd.</P>



Well, not to beat a dead horse, but several players on these boards have been saying his tape is garbage for months.

I know NYC, Redi, Slip, myself among others have all said his tape from last year is not pretty at all. Its not like the 4 of us agree on much else either. I honestly think anyone who watched it with an unbiased eye would be hard pressed to argue his poor play.

The problem is people go to youtube and watch a "big hits" compilation of Burfict and think that because he took someone's head off, or pointed his finger in an nasty way he is suddenly a good football player. Fact is, those "big hit" videos dont show the mistakes, or the "big hit wiffs", or the massive amounts of penalties, or the time he was benched, or that he was the 3rd best player on his own defense last year, or that it is widely rumored his own teamates and school did NOT want him to come back next year.
yeah I have watched a few ASU games and of course I have seen first hand, his bonehead penalties and getting benched. From what I have read, his stats did drop significantly from his sophmore to jr years. </P>


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And I do appreciate and respect posters like you, nyc, redeye and slip(and othersIhave forgotten)for your takes/opinions/videos on players. I admit I do not watch as much college football as some of you, but I am also one of those that dont base my opinions on the youtube videos. You are right, some people get way too into the youtube vids, which most of the time only show the "big time" plays.</P>


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I try to follow Mayock and go to different sites that break down players strengths and weaknesses to get a better idea on a player. </P>


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That said, whomever drafts Burfict, is going to have some work to do. He may fit better in a 3-4. The LB coach and D coordinator of that team is going to need to work with him not only in technique, but also with mental maturity. After a while, those 15 yard penalties wind up hurting a team, and can lead to benching and/or suspensions in todays NFL. </P>

tonyt830
02-27-2012, 09:23 PM
Has anyone gotten a good look at Trumaine Johnson (CB, Montana)? Mayock's talked him up as a small-school sleeper, and after doing some research, he looks like he could be a Giants pick:

6'2", 204, good speed on film, good tackler, something of a ballhawk (14ints, 34pbu's in college). Good in press-man, but played little zone.

The biggest knock on him seems to be level of competition.


Its really the only knock on him. that is, unless something really bad happens tomorrow.

But he is a good player from all I could gather and see.
I dont know if it was on NFL Net or from another media outlet/website, but some have mentioned Johnson possibly being a safety eventually in the NFL.</P>


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I look forward to watching tomorrows workouts with the DBs. I'm yet to catch up on my DVR of todays D-linemen and backers.</P>

tonyt830
02-27-2012, 09:57 PM
I saw on NFL Net and ESPN that the Rams are going to trade their 2nd overall pick come draft time.</P>


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I wonder who steps up for Griffin III--- Redskins? Browns? Dolphins? </P>


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I guess you cant count out the Seahawks or Chiefs either. Well come FA, we will have to see if Flynn ends up on one of those teams, or is Peyton is still a Colt or is a FA.</P>


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http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7622088/2012-nfl-draft-st-louis-rams-decide-trade-no-2-overall-pick-sources-say</P>


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Redeyejedi
02-27-2012, 10:04 PM
Burficts 2nd attempt a 5.10 There is no way he goes in the first round he may fall into the middle rounds

I remember a couple years ago when Brandon Spikes ran a 5.0 how devastating it was to his stock. Brandon's tape was 100x better than Burficts and he was 1000x the leader Bufict is.

I actually Liken Burficts stock to former LSU linebacker Ali Highsmith. Prior to the combine people were talking about Ali as a top 15 pick. Several people on these boards were clamoring for him.

Then he come to the combine and ran a 4.95 and a 5.03. Rumors were he interviewed horribly too.


He went undrafted.


I think Burfict will be drafted but now I think it will be as low as the 5th round. It could be even lower.
Very possible
I was somewhat shocked at Burfict's 40 times.* But I heard Mayock make a comment regarding him not seeing a lot of good tape on Burfict,(paraphrasing), and not even taking into account his lack of discipline and bone head penalties.</P>


*</P>


I wonder if Burfict bounces back and has a better pro day?* I know the combine is only 1 part of the evaluation process, and I'm just throwing out my opinion, but I could see Burfict drop to the 3rd rd.</P>
Well, not to beat a dead horse, but several players on these boards have been saying his tape is garbage for months.

I know NYC, Redi, Slip, myself among others have all said his tape from last year is not pretty at all. Its not like the 4 of us agree on much else either. I honestly think anyone who watched it with an unbiased eye would be hard pressed to argue his poor play.

The problem is people go to youtube and watch a "big hits" compilation of Burfict and think that because he took someone's head off, or pointed his finger in an nasty way he is suddenly a good football player. Fact is, those "big hit" videos dont show the mistakes, or the "big hit wiffs", or the massive amounts of penalties, or the time he was benched, or that he was the 3rd best player on his own defense last year, or that it is widely rumored his own teamates and school did NOT want him to come back next year.
very rare, that i'd say something like this, but i think Burficts a flat out bum.. Nothing outside of his physical presence that is enticing to me... A complete waste.He had a chance to save himself with a good combine performance and he flopped the interviews and came in out of shape

Redeyejedi
02-27-2012, 10:05 PM
I saw on NFL Net and ESPN that the Rams are going to trade their 2nd overall pick come draft time.</P>


*</P>


I wonder who steps up for Griffin III--- Redskins?* Browns? Dolphins? </P>


*</P>


I guess you cant count out the Seahawks or Chiefs either.* Well come FA, we will have to see if Flynn ends up on one of those teams, or is Peyton is still a Colt or is a FA.</P>


*</P>


http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7622088/2012-nfl-draft-st-louis-rams-decide-trade-no-2-overall-pick-sources-say</P>


*</P>The Redskins or Dolphins have to end up with him. How much longer can they wait

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 10:10 PM
Burficts 2nd attempt a 5.10 There is no way he goes in the first round he may fall into the middle rounds

I remember a couple years ago when Brandon Spikes ran a 5.0 how devastating it was to his stock. Brandon's tape was 100x better than Burficts and he was 1000x the leader Bufict is.

I actually Liken Burficts stock to former LSU linebacker Ali Highsmith. Prior to the combine people were talking about Ali as a top 15 pick. Several people on these boards were clamoring for him.

Then he come to the combine and ran a 4.95 and a 5.03. Rumors were he interviewed horribly too.


He went undrafted.


I think Burfict will be drafted but now I think it will be as low as the 5th round. It could be even lower.
Very possible
I was somewhat shocked at Burfict's 40 times. But I heard Mayock make a comment regarding him not seeing a lot of good tape on Burfict,(paraphrasing), and not even taking into account his lack of discipline and bone head penalties.</P>


</P>


I wonder if Burfict bounces back and has a better pro day? I know the combine is only 1 part of the evaluation process, and I'm just throwing out my opinion, but I could see Burfict drop to the 3rd rd.</P>
Well, not to beat a dead horse, but several players on these boards have been saying his tape is garbage for months.

I know NYC, Redi, Slip, myself among others have all said his tape from last year is not pretty at all. Its not like the 4 of us agree on much else either. I honestly think anyone who watched it with an unbiased eye would be hard pressed to argue his poor play.

The problem is people go to youtube and watch a "big hits" compilation of Burfict and think that because he took someone's head off, or pointed his finger in an nasty way he is suddenly a good football player. Fact is, those "big hit" videos dont show the mistakes, or the "big hit wiffs", or the massive amounts of penalties, or the time he was benched, or that he was the 3rd best player on his own defense last year, or that it is widely rumored his own teamates and school did NOT want him to come back next year.
very rare, that i'd say something like this, but i think Burficts a flat out bum.. Nothing outside of his physical presence that is enticing to me... A complete waste.He had a chance to save himself with a good combine performance and he flopped the interviews and came in out of shape On the other hand, i guy i've mentioned quite a bit, and did well at teh combine, and is absoulute beast is Demario Davis of Ark St.. Now theres a LB i want!

nycsportzfan
02-27-2012, 10:13 PM
I saw on NFL Net and ESPN that the Rams are going to trade their 2nd overall pick come draft time.</P>


</P>


I wonder who steps up for Griffin III--- Redskins? Browns? Dolphins? </P>


</P>


I guess you cant count out the Seahawks or Chiefs either. Well come FA, we will have to see if Flynn ends up on one of those teams, or is Peyton is still a Colt or is a FA.</P>


</P>


http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7622088/2012-nfl-draft-st-louis-rams-decide-trade-no-2-overall-pick-sources-say</P>


</P>The Redskins or Dolphins have to end up with him. How much longer can they wait The rams are gonna really bolster there team with the trade let me tell ya.. There actually lucky that Griffin is coming out, now there gonna be able to really load up

tonyt830
02-27-2012, 10:25 PM
I saw on NFL Net and ESPN that the Rams are going to trade their 2nd overall pick come draft time.</P>


</P>


I wonder who steps up for Griffin III--- Redskins? Browns? Dolphins? </P>


</P>


I guess you cant count out the Seahawks or Chiefs either. Well come FA, we will have to see if Flynn ends up on one of those teams, or is Peyton is still a Colt or is a FA.</P>


</P>


http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7622088/2012-nfl-draft-st-louis-rams-decide-trade-no-2-overall-pick-sources-say</P>


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The Redskins or Dolphins have to end up with him. How much longer can they waitagreed, the Dolphins have been waiting since Marino retired. And the Skins---wow after Theismann, they had Rypien for a while. Ferrotte had a few good games and Heath Shuler did not pan out. Then they tried the former Gator QBs in Matthews and Wuerffel. I honestly thought Jason Campbell would have been the answer for them.</P>


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I think the Rams will make out pretty good though. I can see Fisher looking for some secondary help, an O-lineman and of course a playmaker at WR, probably Blackmon? I wonder if they go after Floyd instead?</P>

BlueSanta
02-27-2012, 11:35 PM
I saw on NFL Net and ESPN that the Rams are going to trade their 2nd overall pick come draft time.</p>


</p>


I wonder who steps up for Griffin III--- Redskins? Browns? Dolphins? </p>


</p>


I guess you cant count out the Seahawks or Chiefs either. Well come FA, we will have to see if Flynn ends up on one of those teams, or is Peyton is still a Colt or is a FA.</p>


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The Redskins or Dolphins have to end up with him. How much longer can they waitagreed, the Dolphins have been waiting since Marino retired. And the Skins---wow after Theismann, they had Rypien for a while. Ferrotte had a few good games and Heath Shuler did not pan out. Then they tried the former Gator QBs in Matthews and Wuerffel. I honestly thought Jason Campbell would have been the answer for them.</p>


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I think the Rams will make out pretty good though. I can see Fisher looking for some secondary help, an O-lineman and of course a playmaker at WR, probably Blackmon? I wonder if they go after Floyd instead?</p>
I live in Florida and I can tell you there are a TON of fans down here mad at the organization, Bill Parcells, and anyone else who has contributed to the horrendous string of bad decisions surrounding the QB position since the late 90's.

There are still ppl angry over the decision to pursue Duante Culpepper over Drew Breeze.

Heh, it is pretty disgracefull really. Check out this list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Miami_Dolphins_starting_quarterbacks). Warning: you might throw up a little in your mouth, but you will certainly appreciate our organization more.

I would be SHOCKED if the Fins dont do something to get a new QB in here. I dont even think Moore is that bad, but the dolphns are 1 of the organizations that were most vocal about the old CBA dysfunction because they were (and likely still are) losing money. I know they have a huge fanbase, but when you have 80 degree weather and tons of fun things to do outdoor all season, people are not going to waste time going to games to watch the likes of Jay Fielder, Cleo Lemon, AJ Feeley and Chad Henne to name a few failed Qb experiments.

If they want to win they need a QB. If they want to get people in the stands again, they need to get someone in there to excite fans. My bet is they will go after Peyton hard and if that doesnt work out they may trade to get into position to take RG3.

tonyt830
02-28-2012, 08:34 AM
Blue Santa, I forgot they had Joey harrington for that 1 season. But yeah Lemon, Henne, Harrington, Feeley and Fiedler did not cut it.


I actually can see Peyton in Miami--moreso than with the Skins or Jets. But if Manning is not ready medically or he goes elsewhere, I think RG III should be their next option.

nycsportzfan
02-28-2012, 08:43 AM
Blue Santa, I forgot they had Joey harrington for that 1 season. But yeah Lemon, Henne, Harrington, Feeley and Fiedler did not cut it. I actually can see Peyton in Miami--moreso than with the Skins or Jets. But if Manning is not ready medically or he goes elsewhere, I think RG III should be their next option. I think RG3 ends up with the Cle Browns.. THey got the 2 first rders, and the big need for a playmaker at QB...

buddy33
02-28-2012, 08:57 AM
Was listening to Sirius this morning and they where saying how they are not do sure the Browns want to make that trade. They where saying that they could go for Flynn and then keep their 1st round picks.

Kruunch
02-28-2012, 09:09 AM
Was listening to Sirius this morning and they where saying how they are not do sure the Browns want to make that trade. They where saying that they could go for Flynn and then keep their 1st round picks.

Yep ... and historically Holmgren doesn't draft his QB he FAs them.

nycsportzfan
02-28-2012, 09:32 AM
Was listening to Sirius this morning and they where saying how they are not do sure the Browns want to make that trade. They where saying that they could go for Flynn and then keep their 1st round picks. Yep ... and historically Holmgren doesn't draft his QB he FAs them. Didn't Holmgrem just draft Colt McCoy?

nycsportzfan
02-28-2012, 09:34 AM
Was listening to Sirius this morning and they where saying how they are not do sure the Browns want to make that trade. They where saying that they could go for Flynn and then keep their 1st round picks. A team that hasne't had a franchise QB since bernie kosar might not go after RG3? ya, thats about as dumb a thing as i have ever heard, and about as bologna as anything i've ever heard.. The Browns are the opitomy of what happens to a franchise with no QB, and now they can get one, and must get one.. There never gonna win without one... They need a Legit franchise QB from Day 1, and i simply don't believe there not gonna be in the mix for RG3...

buddy33
02-28-2012, 09:36 AM
They might be in the mix, but many feel that Flynn is that good. So if they Browns did too, they could draft a stud WR and get more help later in the 1st.

nycsportzfan
02-28-2012, 09:44 AM
They might be in the mix, but many feel that Flynn is that good. So if they Browns did too, they could draft a stud WR and get more help later in the 1st. ya, but there gonna have to give up a ton for Matt Flynn anyways.. If i was them, i'd go get RG3, because of his ability to scramble as well as throw, and the fact hes a bit younger as well... They need to have a franchise QB for as long as possible, and u basically know as much about RG3 as a pro, as u do Matt Flynn.. Flynns actually played in how many games? Like 2?