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RoanokeFan
02-25-2012, 11:54 AM
GIANTS REPORTEDLY INTERESTED IN FALCONS' DE JOHN ABRAHAM (http://www.giants101.com/2012/02/24/new-york-giants-reportedly-interested-in-atlanta-falcons-defensive-end-john-abraham/)

"There's a saying: "You can never have too many pass rushers". Those were the
words uttered by former <a class="st_tag internal_tag" title="Posts tagged with New York Giants" href="http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york-giants/" rel="tag nofollow">New York
Giants</a> general manager Ernie Accorsi and are now being carried out by
current general manager Jerry Reese.



</p><div style="DISPLAY: none">Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton (#1) tries
to avoid the pressure of Atlanta Falcons defensive end <a class="st_tag internal_tag" title="Posts tagged with John Abraham" href="http://www.giants101.com/tag/john-abraham/" rel="tag nofollow">John
Abraham</a> (#55) in the second half of an NFL (http://www.giants101.com/tag/nfl/) football (http://www.giants101.com/tag/football/) game at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta, Georgia on
October 16, 2011. The Falcons defeated the Panthers 31-17. UPI Photo/Erik S.
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For a team who just won Super Bowl XLVI on the back of it's pass rush that
featured <a class="st_tag internal_tag" title="Posts tagged with Justin Tuck" href="http://www.giants101.com/tag/justin-tuck/" rel="tag nofollow">Justin
Tuck</a>, OsiUmenyiora, Jason Pierre- Paul, and Mathias Kiwanuka, the Giants
are reportedly interested (https://twitter.com/#%21/SI_JimTrotter/status/173197829412618241) in adding defensive end <a class="st_tag internal_tag" title="Posts tagged with John Abraham" href="http://www.giants101.com/tag/john-abraham/" rel="tag nofollow">John
Abraham</a> in free agency.</p>


The combine is said to be the unofficial start of free agency and time will
only tell whether these rumors are true, but Abraham is reportedly set to hit
the market as the Falcons have little interest in bringing back the pass rushing
specialist.</p>


Abraham would be a rotational player for the Giants in nickel situations and
with the future of <a class="st_tag internal_tag" title="Posts tagged with Osi Umenyiora" href="http://www.giants101.com/tag/osi-umenyiora/" rel="tag nofollow">Osi
Umenyiora</a>up in the air, it is always good to have insurance."
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MikeIsaGiant
02-25-2012, 12:00 PM
Talk about cap problems, wouldn't he be expensive? Jesus christ

Jobarulz
02-25-2012, 12:02 PM
Can Abraham play TE? Can be be a good OL? Come on seriously, Reese has to get his priorities straight.

Flip Empty
02-25-2012, 12:02 PM
Talk about cap problems, wouldn't he be expensive? Jesus christ
Yeah, apparently he wants in excess of $12 mil. No way he swaps red for blue.

RoanokeFan
02-25-2012, 12:08 PM
Can Abraham play TE? Can be be a good OL? Come on seriously, Reese has to get his priorities straight.

Reese's priority is the team. We don't even know if this is good information but if it is, he would be used in rotation with Tuck, JPP, and Kiwanuka. He won't be asked to play every down.

MikeIsaGiant
02-25-2012, 12:09 PM
For the money, I'd rather invest somewhere else

Jobarulz
02-25-2012, 12:12 PM
Can Abraham play TE? Can be be a good OL? Come on seriously, Reese has to get his priorities straight.

Reese's priority is the team.* We don't even know if this is good information but if it is, he would be used in rotation with Tuck, JPP, and Kiwanuka.* He won't be asked to play every down.


Of course his priority is the team. I understand he loves pass rushers and rightfully so, but there are so many other holes on this team right now the last think on his mind should be another pass rusher, especially with Osi saying he would take less money to stay. I hope this report isn't true.

TroyArcher
02-25-2012, 12:12 PM
I am not a big fan of Abraham. He has the reputation ofa guy wit alot of talent but doesn't always show up. I don't see how the Giants could afford him with the current Cap situation.

Jobarulz
02-25-2012, 12:15 PM
For the money, I'd rather invest somewhere else

This.

RoanokeFan
02-25-2012, 12:16 PM
Can Abraham play TE? Can be be a good OL? Come on seriously, Reese has to get his priorities straight.

Reese's priority is the team. We don't even know if this is good information but if it is, he would be used in rotation with Tuck, JPP, and Kiwanuka. He won't be asked to play every down.


Of course his priority is the team. I understand he loves pass rushers and rightfully so, but there are so many other holes on this team right now the last think on his mind should be another pass rusher, especially with Osi saying he would take less money to stay. I hope this report isn't true.

I think you might want to just take a breath and let Reese do what he has proven he does very well. One of the reason we got into and through the playoffs was our pass rush. It could be Reese knows Osi won't be here next season and he's looking at a Kawika Mitchell type of resolve.

The fact that he may be looking for a DE/pass rusher doesn't mean he also isn't looking at the OLine.

Harooni
02-25-2012, 12:17 PM
we are over the cap and have 20 of our own fa's to resign or replace

buffyblue
02-25-2012, 12:18 PM
Can Abraham play TE? Can be be a good OL? Come on seriously, Reese has to get his priorities straight.

Reese's priority is the team.* We don't even know if this is good information but if it is, he would be used in rotation with Tuck, JPP, and Kiwanuka.* He won't be asked to play every down.


Of course his priority is the team. I understand he loves pass rushers and rightfully so, but there are so many other holes on this team right now the last think on his mind should be another pass rusher, especially with Osi saying he would take less money to stay. I hope this report isn't true.

I think you might want to just take a breath and let Reese do what he has proven he does very well.* One of the reason we got into and through the playoffs was our pass rush.* It could be Reese knows Osi won't be here next season and he's looking at a Kawika Mitchell type of resolve.

The fact that he may be looking for a DE/pass rusher doesn't mean he also isn't looking at the OLine.


If he is looking at John Abraham it is more than likely to take Osi Umenyora’s spot and he is being proactive.

You would think that folks would trust Jerry Reese at this point.

RoanokeFan
02-25-2012, 12:20 PM
we are over the cap and have 20 of our own fa's to resign or replace


He will have to create CAP space no matter what else he does.

RoanokeFan
02-25-2012, 12:23 PM
Can Abraham play TE? Can be be a good OL? Come on seriously, Reese has to get his priorities straight.

Reese's priority is the team. We don't even know if this is good information but if it is, he would be used in rotation with Tuck, JPP, and Kiwanuka. He won't be asked to play every down.


Of course his priority is the team. I understand he loves pass rushers and rightfully so, but there are so many other holes on this team right now the last think on his mind should be another pass rusher, especially with Osi saying he would take less money to stay. I hope this report isn't true.

I think you might want to just take a breath and let Reese do what he has proven he does very well. One of the reason we got into and through the playoffs was our pass rush. It could be Reese knows Osi won't be here next season and he's looking at a Kawika Mitchell type of resolve.

The fact that he may be looking for a DE/pass rusher doesn't mean he also isn't looking at the OLine.


If he is looking at John Abraham it is more than likely to take Osi Umenyora’s spot and he is being proactive.

You would think that folks would trust Jerry Reese at this point.

Not here, though. Reese has proven he's a better than average GM in the personnel area yet here we are carping about a media head's speculation that we don't even know is true.

Harooni
02-25-2012, 12:26 PM
we are over the cap and have 20 of our own fa's to resign or replace


He will have to create CAP space no matter what else he does.


he has a lot of work to do right now. trying to resign fa's and restructure or decide who is cut is not easy.

Roosevelt
02-25-2012, 12:26 PM
You would think that folks would trust Jerry Reese at this point.

Why on earth would anyone do that when they know so much more?

Jobarulz
02-25-2012, 12:28 PM
Can Abraham play TE? Can be be a good OL? Come on seriously, Reese has to get his priorities straight.

Reese's priority is the team.* We don't even know if this is good information but if it is, he would be used in rotation with Tuck, JPP, and Kiwanuka.* He won't be asked to play every down.


Maybe you're right. I do trust Reese he's a great GM. I honestly wouldn't be a fan of this move though, if it's true.

Of course his priority is the team. I understand he loves pass rushers and rightfully so, but there are so many other holes on this team right now the last think on his mind should be another pass rusher, especially with Osi saying he would take less money to stay. I hope this report isn't true.

I think you might want to just take a breath and let Reese do what he has proven he does very well.* One of the reason we got into and through the playoffs was our pass rush.* It could be Reese knows Osi won't be here next season and he's looking at a Kawika Mitchell type of resolve.

The fact that he may be looking for a DE/pass rusher doesn't mean he also isn't looking at the OLine.

RoanokeFan
02-25-2012, 12:29 PM
You would think that folks would trust Jerry Reese at this point.

Why on earth would anyone do that when they know so much more?


[;)]

jomo
02-25-2012, 12:29 PM
Can Abraham play TE? Can be be a good OL? Come on seriously, Reese has to get his priorities straight.

Reese's priority is the team. We don't even know if this is good information but if it is, he would be used in rotation with Tuck, JPP, and Kiwanuka. He won't be asked to play every down.
"Reese's priority is the team?" I thought it was nailing down the best player in the league at every position. [;)]

RoanokeFan
02-25-2012, 12:31 PM
Can Abraham play TE? Can be be a good OL? Come on seriously, Reese has to get his priorities straight.

Reese's priority is the team. We don't even know if this is good information but if it is, he would be used in rotation with Tuck, JPP, and Kiwanuka. He won't be asked to play every down.
"Reese's priority is the team?" I thought it was nailing down the best player in the league at every position. [;)]

That's what he does on his days off [:O]

Harooni
02-25-2012, 12:32 PM
reese is a great GM, eye for talent ,puts together a good squad but what he could do better at is the salary cap and spending.

contracts like cantys and rolles shouldnt happen. (though he is better than EA in this regard)

BigBlueHits
02-25-2012, 12:35 PM
Amazing...Reese has an offseason like he did and we just won the SB there are still wanna B GMs on this board basically saying he doesnt know what he is talking about.
This is after this board was BLOWING UP after we let SS12 get away...because after all we all know how irreplaceable he was right, I mean who would Eli throw to on 3rd down. Then afetr Boss left NO WAY could we replace a guy like that. Then he had the audacity to cut such starting caliber guys like Seubert and O'Hara.

Bottom line is you all know nothing...including me. This stuff is way to complicated for you to comprehend because it's one big jigsaw puzzle. Its not just a matter of replacing Osi with Abraham or whatever. This move will or wont be made depending on who else looks like they may restructure, sign, be traded, other free agents to sign.

RoanokeFan
02-25-2012, 12:38 PM
reese is a great GM, eye for talent ,puts together a good squad but what he could do better at is the salary cap and spending.

contracts like cantys and rolles shouldnt happen. (though he is better than EA in this regard)



If I'm not mistaken, they signed those deals when there was no cap and they had no idea the cap would be $7M less than the last year there was a CAP.

It's easy for us to look back and say contracts should not have been signed. When you are trying to give your team the best players you can get you do what you can hoping they all pan out. I can't say I'm terribly disappointed in either Canty or Rolle, Bernard, yes.

NYGRealityCheck
02-25-2012, 12:38 PM
The article says "reportedly interested" and the website is not giants.com or nfl.com. It's a good website of decent jorunalists and writers dedicating their time to covering the Giants. Perhaps somone got tipped-off, and thus you see this article, which will generate quite some discussion.

In my opinion, Abraham is coming off a $10 million year and will not be expecting much less. It would be financially easier to re-sign Manningham or trading Osi or making Osi play out his final contract year.
If Reese manages to snatch him up to bolster the renown Giants' Pass-Rush and stay under the cap, that would be amazing.

jomo
02-25-2012, 12:38 PM
reese is a great GM, eye for talent ,puts together a good squad but what he could do better at is the salary cap and spending.

contracts like cantys and rolles shouldnt happen. (though he is better than EA in this regard)

Not making any excuses for JR but that Rolle signing came at a time when our safety play was.......................I am at a loss for a descriptive wordsouth ofpathetic. I have tried with some success to block that periodfrom of my memory

BigBlueHits
02-25-2012, 12:40 PM
reese is a great GM, eye for talent ,puts together a good squad** but what he could do better at is the salary cap and spending.

contracts like cantys and rolles shouldnt happen. (though he is better than EA in this regard)



IMO Canty has been an under rated player with his time here in NY. Is he making a little much sure but not overly much.
As far as Rolle goes I have no idea how anyone can say anything bad about this guy. If it wasn't for him opening his mouth many guys on this team would never have started playing like they did at the end of the year. Yes he missed some tackles but made a lot of them also. He played out of position all year and even though he didn't feel comfortable doing it he did it anyway and made a heck of a lot of plays for our team also.

BigBlueHits
02-25-2012, 12:42 PM
I will agree with Bernard being over paid though. he did get some pressure up the middle but IMO much of that was due to everyone else around him getting so much attention.

Harooni
02-25-2012, 12:42 PM
reese is a great GM, eye for talent ,puts together a good squad but what he could do better at is the salary cap and spending.

contracts like cantys and rolles shouldnt happen. (though he is better than EA in this regard)



IMO Canty has been an under rated player with his time here in NY. Is he making a little much sure but not overly much.
As far as Rolle goes I have no idea how anyone can say anything bad about this guy. If it wasn't for him opening his mouth many guys on this team would never have started playing like they did at the end of the year. Yes he missed some tackles but made a lot of them also. He played out of position all year and even though he didn't feel comfortable doing it he did it anyway and made a heck of a lot of plays for our team also.

its not about them being good players its about huge cap space used and big salaries, dont confuse the two.


honda is a good car but not worth 70,000 right?

RoanokeFan
02-25-2012, 12:47 PM
reese is a great GM, eye for talent ,puts together a good squad but what he could do better at is the salary cap and spending.

contracts like cantys and rolles shouldnt happen. (though he is better than EA in this regard)



IMO Canty has been an under rated player with his time here in NY. Is he making a little much sure but not overly much.
As far as Rolle goes I have no idea how anyone can say anything bad about this guy. If it wasn't for him opening his mouth many guys on this team would never have started playing like they did at the end of the year. Yes he missed some tackles but made a lot of them also. He played out of position all year and even though he didn't feel comfortable doing it he did it anyway and made a heck of a lot of plays for our team also.

its not about them being good players its about huge cap space used and big salaries, dont confuse the two.


honda is a good car but not worth 70,000 right?



It's not? DAMN!

Harooni
02-25-2012, 12:48 PM
reese is a great GM, eye for talent ,puts together a good squad but what he could do better at is the salary cap and spending.

contracts like cantys and rolles shouldnt happen. (though he is better than EA in this regard)

Not making any excuses for JR but that Rolle signing came at a time when our safety play was.......................I am at a loss for a descriptive wordsouth ofpathetic. I have tried with some success to block that periodfrom of my memory

thats true lol, the signing was needed you are right. i think structuring him hurt.

the problem i see is we try and keep players too long.

Roosevelt
02-25-2012, 12:51 PM
reese is a great GM, eye for talent ,puts together a good squad but what he could do better at is the salary cap and spending.

contracts like cantys and rolles shouldnt happen. (though he is better than EA in this regard)



Bottom line is that is what it takes to lure the upper echelon of UFA's away from other teams.

We see it all the time. Look at our own players that we recently lost, like Cofield, Boss and Smith. They got twice as much as we would have given them.

There's no easy answer on this one....

jomo
02-25-2012, 12:52 PM
reese is a great GM, eye for talent ,puts together a good squad but what he could do better at is the salary cap and spending.

contracts like cantys and rolles shouldnt happen. (though he is better than EA in this regard)

Not making any excuses for JR but that Rolle signing came at a time when our safety play was.......................I am at a loss for a descriptive wordsouth ofpathetic. I have tried with some success to block that periodfrom of my memory

thats true lol, the signing was needed you are right. i think structuring him hurt.

the problem i see is we try and keep players too long.
Most of our greatest values have come from the draft over the recent past haven't they? And JR does a good joe with this. He alsotries to make value plays in free agencylike Weatherford but when he's in a bind, as with Baas this year we tend to waste a bunch of money.

buddy33
02-25-2012, 12:52 PM
Two Super Bowls in the last 4 years says Reese knows what he's doing.

RoanokeFan
02-25-2012, 12:55 PM
reese is a great GM, eye for talent ,puts together a good squad but what he could do better at is the salary cap and spending.

contracts like cantys and rolles shouldnt happen. (though he is better than EA in this regard)



Bottom line is that is what it takes to lure the upper echelon of UFA's away from other teams.

We see it all the time. Look at our own players that we recently lost, like Cofield, Boss and Smith. They got twice as much as we would have given them.

There's no easy answer on this one....


I still miss Cofield

NYGRealityCheck
02-25-2012, 12:55 PM
reese is a great GM, eye for talent ,puts together a good squad** but what he could do better at is the salary cap and spending.

contracts like cantys and rolles shouldnt happen. (though he is better than EA in this regard)

Not making any excuses for JR but that Rolle signing came at a time when our safety play was.......................I am at a loss for a descriptive word*south of*pathetic. I have tried with some success to block that period*from of my memory

thats true lol, the signing was needed you are right. i think structuring him hurt.

the problem i see is we try and keep players too long.


My side of the coin would be, you can't keep key players for too short of a time either.
Simply because it takes time to develop team chemistry and leadership among the players. Cycling free agents in and out of the team for a short period of time just doesn't work and you'll just end up with the a Jets or Eagles story this past season.

Roosevelt
02-25-2012, 12:56 PM
reese is a great GM, eye for talent ,puts together a good squad but what he could do better at is the salary cap and spending.

contracts like cantys and rolles shouldnt happen. (though he is better than EA in this regard)

Not making any excuses for JR but that Rolle signing came at a time when our safety play was.......................I am at a loss for a descriptive wordsouth ofpathetic. I have tried with some success to block that periodfrom of my memory

thats true lol, the signing was needed you are right. i think structuring him hurt.

the problem i see is we try and keep players too long.
Most of our greatest values have come from the draft over the recent past haven't they? And JR does a good joe with this. He alsotries to make value plays in free agencylike Weatherford but when he's in a bind, as with Baas this year we tend to waste a bunch of money.

Maybe Bass deserves a little more time to get acclimated to our system Jomo?

He didn't look great but he had limited time to get ready.

RoanokeFan
02-25-2012, 12:56 PM
Two Supe Bowls in the last 4 years says Reese knows what he's doing.

Not to everyone it seems [;)]

Roosevelt
02-25-2012, 12:57 PM
reese is a great GM, eye for talent ,puts together a good squad but what he could do better at is the salary cap and spending.

contracts like cantys and rolles shouldnt happen. (though he is better than EA in this regard)



Bottom line is that is what it takes to lure the upper echelon of UFA's away from other teams.

We see it all the time. Look at our own players that we recently lost, like Cofield, Boss and Smith. They got twice as much as we would have given them.

There's no easy answer on this one....


I still miss Cofield


He was/is a solid player. I'd argue he's as good as Canty.

NYGRealityCheck
02-25-2012, 12:59 PM
reese is a great GM, eye for talent ,puts together a good squad** but what he could do better at is the salary cap and spending.

contracts like cantys and rolles shouldnt happen. (though he is better than EA in this regard)



Bottom line is that is what it takes to lure the upper echelon of UFA's away from other teams.*

We see it all the time.* Look at our own players that we recently lost, like Cofield, Boss and Smith.* They got twice as much as we would have given them.

There's no easy answer on this one....


I still miss Cofield


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhixXslAf4o

Harooni
02-25-2012, 01:00 PM
dont get me wrong reese might be the best gm we ever had. letting mm walk is a good move also.

I think he can make more cuts.

gmen0820
02-25-2012, 01:01 PM
YES!!! John Abraham is a ****ing monster, and has shown no signs of slowing. He wants about 12 mil a year, which is way too much for us, but if they can find a way to make it work (with Abraham coming off his demands), it'd be incredible.

I'd take Abraham over Osi any day, twice on Sunday.

GMENAGAIN
02-25-2012, 01:05 PM
Can Abraham play TE? Can be be a good OL? Come on seriously, Reese has to get his priorities straight.</P>


A post like this 2 weeks after a SB win . . . unbelievable</P>

RoanokeFan
02-25-2012, 01:05 PM
reese is a great GM, eye for talent ,puts together a good squad but what he could do better at is the salary cap and spending.

contracts like cantys and rolles shouldnt happen. (though he is better than EA in this regard)

Not making any excuses for JR but that Rolle signing came at a time when our safety play was.......................I am at a loss for a descriptive wordsouth ofpathetic. I have tried with some success to block that periodfrom of my memory

thats true lol, the signing was needed you are right. i think structuring him hurt.

the problem i see is we try and keep players too long.
Most of our greatest values have come from the draft over the recent past haven't they? And JR does a good joe with this. He alsotries to make value plays in free agencylike Weatherford but when he's in a bind, as with Baas this year we tend to waste a bunch of money.

I think we give Baas one more year before passing judgment. I was listening to the talking heads on SIRIUS asking Scott Pioli (I think) after QB what's the hardest position to fill and the answer was center. He went on to explain they have to get the ball to the QB without fail and they also have to be able to call the line signals whcich requires they know the defenses and how each position on the line needs to respond to the defense presented.

Given the revolving door at OLine last season, it could be no new center would have fared any better.

Flip Empty
02-25-2012, 01:17 PM
Well obviously Jerry has lost his mind, Mario leaving and now this????????



FIRE REESE, HE'S KILLING THE TEAM

jomo
02-25-2012, 01:17 PM
reese is a great GM, eye for talent ,puts together a good squad but what he could do better at is the salary cap and spending.

contracts like cantys and rolles shouldnt happen. (though he is better than EA in this regard)

Not making any excuses for JR but that Rolle signing came at a time when our safety play was.......................I am at a loss for a descriptive wordsouth ofpathetic. I have tried with some success to block that periodfrom of my memory

thats true lol, the signing was needed you are right. i think structuring him hurt.

the problem i see is we try and keep players too long.
Most of our greatest values have come from the draft over the recent past haven't they? And JR does a good joe with this. He alsotries to make value plays in free agencylike Weatherford but when he's in a bind, as with Baas this year we tend to waste a bunch of money.

I think we give Baas one more year before passing judgment. I was listening to the talking heads on SIRIUS asking Scott Pioli (I think) after QB what's the hardest position to fill and the answer was center. He went on to explain they have to get the ball to the QB without fail and they also have to be able to call the line signals whcich requires they know the defenses and how each position on the line needs to respond to the defense presented.

Given the revolving door at OLine last season, it could be no new center would have fared any better.
That could all be true RF. I think we found ourselves in a box last year with O'hara going down. Center is critical and JR had to move quickly. The pool of FA centers was thin so we paid top dollar. I have also heard a few times that his nagging injuries ala Canty in his first years prevented Baas from showing all he's got.

RoanokeFan
02-25-2012, 01:20 PM
reese is a great GM, eye for talent ,puts together a good squad but what he could do better at is the salary cap and spending.

contracts like cantys and rolles shouldnt happen. (though he is better than EA in this regard)

Not making any excuses for JR but that Rolle signing came at a time when our safety play was.......................I am at a loss for a descriptive wordsouth ofpathetic. I have tried with some success to block that periodfrom of my memory

thats true lol, the signing was needed you are right. i think structuring him hurt.

the problem i see is we try and keep players too long.
Most of our greatest values have come from the draft over the recent past haven't they? And JR does a good joe with this. He alsotries to make value plays in free agencylike Weatherford but when he's in a bind, as with Baas this year we tend to waste a bunch of money.

I think we give Baas one more year before passing judgment. I was listening to the talking heads on SIRIUS asking Scott Pioli (I think) after QB what's the hardest position to fill and the answer was center. He went on to explain they have to get the ball to the QB without fail and they also have to be able to call the line signals whcich requires they know the defenses and how each position on the line needs to respond to the defense presented.

Given the revolving door at OLine last season, it could be no new center would have fared any better.
That could all be true RF. I think we found ourselves in a box last year with O'hara going down. Center is critical and JR had to move quickly. The pool of FA centers was thin so we paid top dollar. I have also heard a few times that his nagging injuries ala Canty in his first years prevented Baas from showing all he's got.

More than O'Hara, for me, was losing Koets. He had the job locked up until he got injured and I think he would have been better than Baas if only from a continuity perspective.

Warchild
02-25-2012, 01:26 PM
For $12 a year I would much rather have Mario Williams!

Voldamort
02-25-2012, 02:26 PM
Talk about cap problems, wouldn't he be expensive? Jesus christ enough said

Gmenfan87
02-25-2012, 02:44 PM
You know Reese could be sending a message to Osi like he did with Bradshaw and Snelling. I think we like to use the Flacons in this way

gmen0820
02-25-2012, 02:47 PM
You know Reese could be sending a message to Osi like he did with Bradshaw and Snelling. I think we like to use the Flacons in this wayYeah but Bradshaw wasn't under contract and Snelling would have been a cheaper sign.

Osi is under contract and Abraham will be about twice to three times as expensive.

Diamondring
02-25-2012, 03:23 PM
Just because they are interested in him doesn't mean they want to get him at all cost.

Diamondring
02-25-2012, 03:26 PM
The article says "reportedly interested" and the website is not giants.com or nfl.com. It's a good website of decent jorunalists and writers dedicating their time to covering the Giants. Perhaps somone got tipped-off, and thus you see this article, which will generate quite some discussion.

In my opinion, Abraham is coming off a $10 million year and will not be expecting much less. It would be financially easier to re-sign Manningham or trading Osi or making Osi play out his final contract year.
If Reese manages to snatch him up to bolster the renown Giants' Pass-Rush and stay under the cap, that would be amazing.Well if there aren't any offers for the price he wants, then he is going to have to take less.

FBomb
02-25-2012, 04:29 PM
I seriously doubt that this is anything more than someone making something out of nothing. Reese has been saying that they really have no idea what they can or can't do yet, so no situation is on or off the table. There simply isn't enough information to go on yet.</P>


The reporters probably thinks that NOT saying no is a yes.</P>

gmen46
02-25-2012, 05:11 PM
I seriously doubt that this is anything more than someone making something out of nothing.* Reese has been saying that they really have no idea what they can or can't do yet, so no situation is on or off the table. There simply isn't enough information to go on yet.</P>


The reporters probably thinks that NOT saying no is a yes.</P>

Exactly so.

This merely falls under the Jerry Reese "we consider all options" category, nothing more.

(Although I can't resist the temptation to comment that my impression of Abraham over his entire career is that, as someone else in this thread remarked, he tends to be impressive during the regular season but always disappears when big games--most especially post season games when with the Jets AND the Falcons. He tends to be injured and inactive for them, or if active he has no impact.)

RoanokeFan
02-25-2012, 05:33 PM
I seriously doubt that this is anything more than someone making something out of nothing. Reese has been saying that they really have no idea what they can or can't do yet, so no situation is on or off the table. There simply isn't enough information to go on yet.</p>


The reporters probably thinks that NOT saying no is a yes.</p>

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myles2424
02-25-2012, 07:57 PM
I'm not buying into this false rumor.....
If we want another pass rusher, but Kiwi where he belongs & actually find a legit SLB for once

gmen0820
02-25-2012, 08:01 PM
I'm not buying into this false rumor.....
If we want another pass rusher, but Kiwi where he belongs & actually find a legit SLB for onceYeah this is so unrealistic.

If you read the article, it offers nothing that I couldn't (or anyone for that matter) write themselves.

TheEnigma
02-25-2012, 08:11 PM
Hey guys, the Giants reportedly are interested in Seahawks QB Charlie Whitehurst.

Sources: My uncle, Wikipedia, Rob Lowe.

nhpgiantsfan
02-25-2012, 08:41 PM
I don't see how this could be true. But, if he is considering it, I'd rather him pay Osi. John Abraham is a ME player, and he will not want to be in a rotation behind Tuck &amp; JPP. Osi while being a headache in the summer, did not cause one problem once the season started even when he lost his starting job to JPP. He even welcomed that.

tonyt830
02-25-2012, 08:42 PM
Hey guys, the Giants reportedly are interested in Seahawks QB Charlie Whitehurst. Sources: My uncle, Wikipedia, Rob Lowe.LOL!!! Props to your uncle for the info! And what can you say about wikipedia? </P>


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Anyway, like myles said, I'm not putting too much into that article. I will eat my crow if I am wrong, but if the Giants don't keep Osi, you can bring Kiwi back to DE and look for another DE in the draft to add more to our pass rush at a cheaper number. </P>


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Someone will pay for Abraham, I just cant see the Giants being the team that does.</P>

GameTime
02-25-2012, 09:14 PM
Can Abraham play TE? Can be be a good OL? Come on seriously, Reese has to get his priorities straight.</P>


Take it easy man.....its all BS right now. You're asking him to get his prorities straight when he is not even quoted in the article at all. No one from the Giants FO is for that matter.</P>

RoanokeFan
02-25-2012, 09:17 PM
Can Abraham play TE? Can be be a good OL? Come on seriously, Reese has to get his priorities straight.</p>


Take it easy man.....its all BS right now. You're asking him to get his prorities straight when he is not even quoted in the article at all. No one from the Giants FO is for that matter.</p>

Where you been? The inmates are imgrates [;)]

GameTime
02-25-2012, 09:19 PM
Can Abraham play TE? Can be be a good OL? Come on seriously, Reese has to get his priorities straight.</P>


Take it easy man.....its all BS right now. You're asking him to get his prorities straight when he is not even quoted in the article at all. No one from the Giants FO is for that matter.</P>




Where you been? The inmates are imgrates [;)]
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the more things change.....the more they stay the same....</P>


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RoanokeFan
02-25-2012, 10:28 PM
Can Abraham play TE? Can be be a good OL? Come on seriously, Reese has to get his priorities straight.</p>


Take it easy man.....its all BS right now. You're asking him to get his prorities straight when he is not even quoted in the article at all. No one from the Giants FO is for that matter.</p>




Where you been? The inmates are imgrates [;)]
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the more things change.....the more they stay the same....</p>


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AMEN

Redeyejedi
02-25-2012, 10:30 PM
Or we can just keep Osi who is making less then half what Abarham wants and is younger

JJC7301
02-26-2012, 01:28 AM
I have no interest in signing FAs. They are too expensive and we need to work on getting our cap down over the next few years. We just won a SB without signing any major FAs during the off season.

Get Osi some sort of extension -- he's not going to break the bank. He wants to finish his career here. And he's better than Abraham.

I'd rather have neither Osi or Abraham, then having Abraham yet no Osi.

davecrazy
02-26-2012, 02:00 AM
He's a bum who always disappears In the playoffs.

Strahan4gov
02-26-2012, 04:54 AM
33 year old 4x pro bowl DE - if hes not a billion there could be a lot of upside for his remaining years.

tripleaamin9
02-26-2012, 08:21 AM
At the right and smart price and if Osi is traded he could excel as our 3rd DE.

EliTE
02-26-2012, 04:43 PM
He's a bum who always disappears In the playoffs.

wasn't he harassing eli in our playoff game? until the offense **** the bed and the D pretty much mailed it in.

jakegibbs
02-26-2012, 05:11 PM
GIANTS REPORTEDLY INTERESTED IN FALCONS' DE JOHN ABRAHAM (http://www.giants101.com/2012/02/24/new-york-giants-reportedly-interested-in-atlanta-falcons-defensive-end-john-abraham/)

"There's a saying: "You can never have too many pass rushers". Those were the
words uttered by former <a class="st_tag internal_tag" title="Posts tagged with New York Giants" href="http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york-giants/" rel="tag nofollow">New York
Giants</a> general manager Ernie Accorsi and are now being carried out by
current general manager Jerry Reese.



</p><div style="DISPLAY: none">Carolina Panthers quarterback Cam Newton (#1) tries
to avoid the pressure of Atlanta Falcons defensive end <a class="st_tag internal_tag" title="Posts tagged with John Abraham" href="http://www.giants101.com/tag/john-abraham/" rel="tag nofollow">John
Abraham</a> (#55) in the second half of an NFL (http://www.giants101.com/tag/nfl/) football (http://www.giants101.com/tag/football/) game at the Georgia Dome in Atlanta, Georgia on
October 16, 2011. The Falcons defeated the Panthers 31-17. UPI Photo/Erik S.
Lesser</div>
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For a team who just won Super Bowl XLVI on the back of it's pass rush that
featured <a class="st_tag internal_tag" title="Posts tagged with Justin Tuck" href="http://www.giants101.com/tag/justin-tuck/" rel="tag nofollow">Justin
Tuck</a>, Osi*Umenyiora, Jason Pierre- Paul, and Mathias Kiwanuka, the Giants
are reportedly interested (https://twitter.com/#%21/SI_JimTrotter/status/173197829412618241) in adding defensive end <a class="st_tag internal_tag" title="Posts tagged with John Abraham" href="http://www.giants101.com/tag/john-abraham/" rel="tag nofollow">John
Abraham</a> in free agency.*</p>


The combine is said to be the unofficial start of free agency and time will
only tell whether these rumors are true, but Abraham is reportedly set to hit
the market as the Falcons have little interest in bringing back the pass rushing
specialist.</p>


Abraham would be a rotational player for the Giants in nickel situations and
with the future of <a class="st_tag internal_tag" title="Posts tagged with Osi Umenyiora" href="http://www.giants101.com/tag/osi-umenyiora/" rel="tag nofollow">Osi
Umenyiora</a>*up in the air, it is always good to have insurance."
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Abraham wants an end of career contract. Gonna be way out of Giants cap space. Don't expect that to ever happen. With OSI claiming he'd take less to retire a Giant JR will probaly seal the deal with OSI don't ya think?

GMENAGAIN
02-26-2012, 06:40 PM
Or we can just keep Osi who is making less then half what Abarham wants and is younger
+1000

miked1958
02-26-2012, 06:56 PM
Was he originally drafted by us? Or was it the Jets

smashndash715
02-26-2012, 07:03 PM
jets

smashndash715
02-26-2012, 07:03 PM
Was he originally drafted by us? Or was it the Jets
jets

THIRDINF516
02-26-2012, 08:05 PM
He has won 2 SB's is two years, relax yourself a bit man..</P>


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Reese knows exactly what he is doing..</P>


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People that keep doubting him, are either blind or just dont like him.</P>