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bflo23
02-26-2012, 01:46 PM
a) Dwayne Allen (1-2 round)
b) Coby Fleener (1-2 round)
c) Orson Charles (2 round)
d) Ladarius Green (3 round)
e) Michael Egnew (3-4 round)
f) Other TE
e) No TEs in the draft

tonyt830
02-26-2012, 02:06 PM
My guess now, prior to free agency and pro day workouts, I would say "B".</P>


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But personally if he is gone, I would be ok with "D" or "E" in the 3rd or 4th rd.</P>

tripleaamin9
02-26-2012, 02:09 PM
4-7 rounds

Voldamort
02-26-2012, 02:22 PM
allen,egnew,dunsmore,

bflo23
02-26-2012, 02:26 PM
I don't think the Giants would spend a 1st round pick on a TE but I can see the Giants taking "c) Orson Charles" in the 2nd round if he is available. That would be my pick. Some analysts think he is the best TE in the draft. Very strong as he benched 35 times in the combine and has been clocked as fast as 4.54 in the 40 yard dash which is way faster than Allen and Fleener. His negative is his height though.



<font size="2">Release: Smaller than most tight ends and possesses short arms but
has good upper-body strength to fight through an initial jam at the line
of scrimmage and has the speed and athleticism to burn defenders for
challenging him. Good burst off the snap to quickly slip past. Dips his
shoulder to slip past the defensive end and shows a good rip to knock
the linebacker's hands off him.


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<font size="2">Hands: Reaches out to catch the ball away from his frame. Strong
hands to pull down the contested reception. Has good hand-eye
coordination and body control to turn and adjust to poorly thrown balls.
Does struggle a bit tracking the ball over his shoulder and will turn
back towards it and leap to catch rather than allowing it to float down
to him, on occasion.


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<font size="2">Route running: Good quickness off the snap. Very good speed for
the position which he uses to attack down the seam well. Generates good
burst out of his breaks to gain separation. His experience as a receiver
in high school is obvious in how e uses shoulder fakes and varying his
speed to get open. Used on a variety of routes as Georgia designed plays
to get him the ball in space. Lined up next to both tackle as a
traditional tight end, as well as in motion, as an H-back and split out
in the slot. Has the burst off the snap to be split out wide in the NFL,
as well.


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<font size="2">After the catch: Good strength and effort to run through arm
tackles. Good vision to set up his blocks and while he isn't quick
enough to elude in tight quarters he can take advantage of a defender
leaning to spring for additional yardage. Very good speed for the
position. Has a second gear to accelerate that will make him a
legitimate big play threat in the NFL. Has to do a better of keeping the
ball tight to his body as he'll allow the ball to get poked out while
fighting for extra yardage (Georgia Tech).


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<font size="2">Blocking: Has obvious size limitations but might be the toughest
pound for pound blocker among the 2012 crop of tight ends. Seems to
enjoy the physical confrontation of blocking. Is willing to attack much
bigger defenders with an explosive pop and good strength and competes to
the whistle. Good effort at both stages on combo blocks. Looks to help
out his teammates downfield. Was used as an H-back and even served as a
lead fullback, on occasion.


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bflo23
02-26-2012, 02:26 PM
I don't think the Giants would spend a 1st round pick on a TE but I can see the Giants taking "c) Orson Charles" in the 2nd round if he is available. That would be my pick. Some analysts think he is the best TE in the draft. Very strong as he benched 35 times in the combine and has been clocked as fast as 4.54 in the 40 yard dash which is way faster than Allen and Fleener. His negative is his height though.



<font size="2">Release: Smaller than most tight ends and possesses short arms but
has good upper-body strength to fight through an initial jam at the line
of scrimmage and has the speed and athleticism to burn defenders for
challenging him. Good burst off the snap to quickly slip past. Dips his
shoulder to slip past the defensive end and shows a good rip to knock
the linebacker's hands off him.


</font></p>

<font size="2">Hands: Reaches out to catch the ball away from his frame. Strong
hands to pull down the contested reception. Has good hand-eye
coordination and body control to turn and adjust to poorly thrown balls.
Does struggle a bit tracking the ball over his shoulder and will turn
back towards it and leap to catch rather than allowing it to float down
to him, on occasion.


</font></p>

<font size="2">Route running: Good quickness off the snap. Very good speed for
the position which he uses to attack down the seam well. Generates good
burst out of his breaks to gain separation. His experience as a receiver
in high school is obvious in how e uses shoulder fakes and varying his
speed to get open. Used on a variety of routes as Georgia designed plays
to get him the ball in space. Lined up next to both tackle as a
traditional tight end, as well as in motion, as an H-back and split out
in the slot. Has the burst off the snap to be split out wide in the NFL,
as well.


</font></p>

<font size="2">After the catch: Good strength and effort to run through arm
tackles. Good vision to set up his blocks and while he isn't quick
enough to elude in tight quarters he can take advantage of a defender
leaning to spring for additional yardage. Very good speed for the
position. Has a second gear to accelerate that will make him a
legitimate big play threat in the NFL. Has to do a better of keeping the
ball tight to his body as he'll allow the ball to get poked out while
fighting for extra yardage (Georgia Tech).


</font></p>

<font size="2">Blocking: Has obvious size limitations but might be the toughest
pound for pound blocker among the 2012 crop of tight ends. Seems to
enjoy the physical confrontation of blocking. Is willing to attack much
bigger defenders with an explosive pop and good strength and competes to
the whistle. Good effort at both stages on combo blocks. Looks to help
out his teammates downfield. Was used as an H-back and even served as a
lead fullback, on occasion.


</font></p>


</p>

myles2424
02-26-2012, 04:19 PM
One thing we've all learned, it's never what we all except.....
TE is not going to be BPA when we pick, in the 1st, so unless Allen & fleener make it to the 2nd then id say they're out of it.....
I think Egnew seems like the under the radar/upside pick I could see the giants making in the 3rd...

bflo23
02-26-2012, 04:54 PM
Egnew as a receiver is fine but his blocking is questionable. Giants still need a TE to block especially when the O-line has struggled. Can he learn and improve? He wasn't even used in a 3 point stance.

<font size="2">Blocking: Not a coveted prospect because of his blocking, but is not
contact-shy on the edge. Usually finds a target whether it is his
assignment or if blocking downfield for a teammate, though quicker
defenders will ran by him. Positions himself correctly to wall off
defenders, uses length and footwork to hold them at bay. Not used
in-line from three-point stance. Will seal the edge and get in the way
as a blocker at the next level but needs work on bend, lateral agility
and upper-body strength to do more.


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bflo23
02-27-2012, 09:11 PM
One thing we've all learned, it's never what we all except.....
TE is not going to be BPA when we pick, in the 1st, so unless Allen &amp; fleener make it to the 2nd then id say they're out of it.....
I think Egnew seems like the under the radar/upside pick I could see the giants making in the 3rd...

Yea. BPA definitely wouldn't be a tight end for the Giants in 1st round especially since Dwayne Allen hurt his value at the combine by his 4.78 seconds in the 40 yard dash. Giants should look at a TE in the 2nd round where either Allen, Fleener or Orson Charles would be available. And Orson Charles looks the most promising.

If the Giants were going for OL in the 1st, Gordy Glenn was the perfect match but he was so good in the combine that he is unlikely to be available. Mike Adams was picked for the Giants in lot of mock drafts. However, Mike Adams had a bad combine when he only benched 19 times which is terrible and Adams's heart should be questioned when he was unprepared for the combine. Gordy Glenn benched 31 times. Orson Charles (TE) benched 35 times.

BlueSanta
02-27-2012, 09:26 PM
It is really hard to answer until we go through Free agency and see if we can get any vets.

BigBlue187
02-27-2012, 09:27 PM
I really like Coby Fleener. He's close to the size and weight of Rob Gronkowski he has a lot of potential.

bflo23
02-27-2012, 09:31 PM
It is really hard to answer until we go through Free agency and see if we can get any vets.


Who do you like in free agency for TEs? It is a terrible free agency class for TEs.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/34986580

Shiancoe, Martellus Bennet, Joel Dreessen, Fred Davis, Jeremy Shockey?!

Ehhh.

bflo23
02-27-2012, 09:38 PM
I really like Coby Fleener. He's close to the size and weight of Rob Gronkowski he has a lot of potential.


He is just so slow though (slower than Allen and Charles) and has 4.78 second in 40 yard dash speed..... Gronk has 4.65 speed. All the great TEs have much faster times than Fleener. Would you take Fleener in the 1st round? Maybe if he drops to the 2nd round for the Giants but I doubt he will be available by then.

PS... Fleener is like 20 pounds lighter than Gronk... He only weighs 247 lbs but both same height.

tonyt830
02-27-2012, 09:39 PM
It is really hard to answer until we go through Free agency and see if we can get any vets.


Who do you like in free agency for TEs? It is a terrible free agency class for TEs.

http://www.cbssports.com/mcc/blogs/entry/22475988/34986580

Shiancoe, Martellus Bennet, Joel Dreessen, Fred Davis, Jeremy Shockey?!

Ehhh.
I worry about Davis---another drug violation and I think he misses an entire season? I would be open to a vet like Shiancoe for a reasonable contract. Dressen stepped up this year when Daniels missed some time. Bennett is young and is a solid TE. I have heard some people question his work ethic.</P>


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But for a friendly cap number, any of those 3 would be on my FA list to join Pascoe and Hopkins.</P>

Brandon jacobs
02-27-2012, 10:15 PM
My guess now, prior to free agency and pro day workouts, I would say "B".</P>


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But personally if he is gone, I would be ok with "D" or "E" in the 3rd or 4th rd.</P>

anybody got any videos on these guys?

alau53
02-27-2012, 10:21 PM
i think allen ran a 4.87/40 but he has ability to get open which is more important than great speed...gmen definitely need a TE to start...maybe if both top te's still there at 32 trade down and pick up another pick in this deep draft

bflo23
02-27-2012, 10:32 PM
i think allen ran a 4.87/40 but he has ability to get open which is more important than great speed...gmen definitely need a TE to start...maybe if both top te's still there at 32 trade down and pick up another pick in this deep draft

When you hear 4.87 in the 40 yard dash, it has to be a concern when talking about 1st round pick and there are 0 great TEs with that sort of speed. The great TEs all have the combination of speed, can cut and have the ability to get open. All the great TEs are much faster than Allen. Orson Charles is considered by Michael Irvin and other analysts to be the best TE in the draft. And it helps that Orson Charles ran much better 40, benched 36 times (best of all TEs) and is considered best pound for pound blocking TE.

He is looking like the better pick in the 2nd round for the Giants than Allen in the 1st round.

Gnuzzi8
02-27-2012, 11:51 PM
I do not want to use the first on one we have more pressing needs. Eli does fine with a big target with good hands.

Martellus Bennett is a huge target with undervalued athleticism. He has been stuck behind Witten for too long and deserves a shot. Plus its been a while since we have had a tap on the 'boys. I think we take an athletic TE like Hannah in the 6th.

1 - Dontari Poe DT Memphis
2 - Lamar Miller RB Miami
3 - Vontaze Burfict MLB Arizona State
4 - Jayron Holsey CB Virginia Tech
5 - Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
6 - James Hanna TE Oklahoma
7 - Tank Carder LB TCU

bflo23
02-28-2012, 08:34 PM
I do not want to use the first on one we have more pressing needs. Eli does fine with a big target with good hands.

Martellus Bennett is a huge target with undervalued athleticism. He has been stuck behind Witten for too long and deserves a shot. Plus its been a while since we have had a tap on the 'boys. I think we take an athletic TE like Hannah in the 6th.

1 - Dontari Poe DT Memphis
2 - Lamar Miller RB Miami
3 - Vontaze Burfict MLB Arizona State
4 - Jayron Holsey CB Virginia Tech
5 - Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
6 - James Hanna TE Oklahoma
7 - Tank Carder LB TCU

I think the Giants should definitely improve their offensive line which struggled in the running game and they are losing players there as well. And I think the Giants need to look for TE that will hopefully be a very good TE or even a star. I don't think James Hanna is that.

RoanokeFan
02-28-2012, 08:36 PM
Whichever one is highest on their board when their turn comes in whatever round they take a tight end.