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jhamburg
02-28-2012, 11:59 PM
I have to laugh when I see so many posters second guessing the Giants' resigning players coming back from injury.

Obviously we're checking these guys out medically. The Giants' FO is not stupid and they didn't start doing this yesterday. They have a lot more information than we do, which is basically none.

I'm all for playing armchair GM, I'm as bad as anyone on here...but face it, in this case there's nothing we can do but hope they know what's best.

Flip Empty
02-29-2012, 12:24 AM
Hey come on, this board knows the team's problems can be solved by signing Mike Wallace and cutting Canty and replacing him with Mario Williams. Oh, and Manningham is an average receiver who produced well as a #1 wr in 2010 but still can't play #1. If it knows all that then of course it can project how well a player is going to be following a season-ending injury.

BlueSanta
02-29-2012, 01:30 AM
Players with a big medical questions get less guaranteed money, if any.

They can still be cut at any point prior to or early in the season for minimal loss. I do not know if this thread was made with TT or Hixon in mind, or just a statement in general.

But, T2's 2nd tear to that knee was a bit less severe than a Hixon/ Sintim because Hixon at least had some years between them. The leg was injured,grew strong and healed then reinjured. Hixon and Sintim are looking at 2 tears in 2 years. I wish em the best, but its not gonna be easy and whatever contract they sign(if they do) will reflect the risk and make it possible to release them if it looks like they cannot contribute enough.

Garbloz
02-29-2012, 04:05 AM
I have to laugh when I see so many posters second guessing the Giants' resigning players coming back from injury.

Obviously we're checking these guys out medically. The Giants' FO is not stupid and they didn't start doing this yesterday. They have a lot more information than we do, which is basically none.

I'm all for playing armchair GM, I'm as bad as anyone on here...but face it, in this case there's nothing we can do but hope they know what's best.

i think our fo is great.

but when talking about injuries i know from my own experiences and i do realize i don't have the same doctors as the players. but i would never take a chance on resigning a player with a knee injury. the medical science isnt there yet

they may get back to full speed which i did but it becomes way easier to tear again which is almost a certainty in the nfl with the pads and speed hits etc.

LT_was_good
02-29-2012, 12:43 PM
I have to laugh when I see so many posters second guessing the Giants' resigning players coming back from injury.

Obviously we're checking these guys out medically. The Giants' FO is not stupid and they didn't start doing this yesterday. They have a lot more information than we do, which is basically none.

I'm all for playing armchair GM, I'm as bad as anyone on here...but face it, in this case there's nothing we can do but hope they know what's best.

But our medical staff blew it with Steve Smith! The Eagles were smarter, they knew something we didn't!

Kruunch
02-29-2012, 12:46 PM
I have to laugh when I see so many posters second guessing the Giants' resigning players coming back from injury.

Obviously we're checking these guys out medically. The Giants' FO is not stupid and they didn't start doing this yesterday. They have a lot more information than we do, which is basically none.

I'm all for playing armchair GM, I'm as bad as anyone on here...but face it, in this case there's nothing we can do but hope they know what's best.

You don't think you'll recover from that paper cut?

Interesting.

Delicreep
02-29-2012, 12:53 PM
Why do I think I know better about player injuries?

Duh..It's the internet...we are all experts on everything all the time.

Oh..were all Navy Seals or cage fighters as well, if it comes up

burier
02-29-2012, 01:09 PM
I have to laugh when I see so many posters second guessing the Giants' resigning players coming back from injury.

Obviously we're checking these guys out medically. The Giants' FO is not stupid and they didn't start doing this yesterday. They have a lot more information than we do, which is basically none.

I'm all for playing armchair GM, I'm as bad as anyone on here...but face it, in this case there's nothing we can do but hope they know what's best.

I think our front office is great and everything but...I mean we did try to sign Steve Smith which would have been a catastrophy assuming he wound up playing.

As that would have set a chain of events in motion that might have altered Cruz's chance to get playing time and you know how the rest of that story would go.

And then there was the Keith Bulluck signing

And the Lavar Arrington signing.

So its not like the front office hasn't screwed up by signing players who USED to be good
but were shells of themselves after the injury.


I don't think t2 should be offered a deal unless its ridiculously cheap.

Same with Hixon

Same with Goff.

These guys are damanged goods.

GameTime
02-29-2012, 01:17 PM
never doubted that SS wasn't ready to go. He was a very good receiver for the Giants. Why would they lie about his "readiness". I also don't jump on the "the Giants training staff sucks" bandwagon.</P>


Just like every other message board there are experts at every turn also a large amount of ignorance as well. </P>


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jhamburg
02-29-2012, 01:34 PM
I have to laugh when I see so many posters second guessing the Giants' resigning players coming back from injury.

Obviously we're checking these guys out medically. The Giants' FO is not stupid and they didn't start doing this yesterday. They have a lot more information than we do, which is basically none.

I'm all for playing armchair GM, I'm as bad as anyone on here...but face it, in this case there's nothing we can do but hope they know what's best.

I think our front office is great and everything but...I mean we did try to sign Steve Smith which would have been a catastrophy assuming he wound up playing.

As that would have set a chain of events in motion that might have altered Cruz's chance to get playing time and you know how the rest of that story would go.

And then there was the Keith Bulluck signing

And the Lavar Arrington signing.

So its not like the front office hasn't screwed up by signing players who USED to be good
but were shells of themselves after the injury.


I don't think t2 should be offered a deal unless its ridiculously cheap.

Same with Hixon

Same with Goff.

These guys are damanged goods.

So a guy we didn't even sign, a guy we gave a 1 year deal to, and a guy we signed like 8 years ago? That's the evidence of our ineptitude with evaluating player injuries?

I think we've done pretty well as of late. We let concussion machine Boss go which most here did not agree with, and signed Kiwi which paid off huge for us at a relatively low price.

Kruunch
02-29-2012, 01:41 PM
never doubted that SS wasn't ready to go. He was a very good receiver for the Giants. Why would they lie about his "readiness". I also don't jump on the "the Giants training staff sucks" bandwagon.</P>


Just like every other message board there are experts at every turn also a large amount of ignorance as well. </P>


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G-Man67
02-29-2012, 01:44 PM
haha, yeah the internet, but i will say that you can sometimes read between the lines of what the team is saying ... some injuries are cut and dry .. others like hamstrings ... well they can linger for an entire year and cause the player to miss multiple games or the player might be able to play each week with a little tightness ... so in those gray areas, sometimes info can be gleened from how the team talks about the player/injury ... it def. not medical knowledge that is being used ... more body language of both player and staff&lt;P&gt;</P>


but watching football for years you do file away knowledge ... knee = month, for example</P>

BigBlueFanNJ
02-29-2012, 06:11 PM
Because i stayed at a holiday express inn last night!!

Flip Empty
02-29-2012, 06:16 PM
Have to laugh at Steve Smith being brought up. The Giants said he wouldn't be ready to play, but the Eagles medical staff said differently and promptly signed him. Try again.

sharick88
02-29-2012, 06:27 PM
I'm not a doctor, so I don't even try to play one on here or anywhere. I am, however, advanced first aid qualified according to US Navy Personal Qualification Standards.

Pakman
03-01-2012, 12:38 AM
Have to laugh at Steve Smith being brought up. The Giants said he wouldn't be ready to play, but the Eagles medical staff said differently and promptly signed him. Try again.

The best thing were fans who blamed Coughlin for him leaving.

Toadofsteel
03-01-2012, 01:56 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Pa210rBS94o/TfCrUmQrDeI/AAAAAAAADYs/F1MRN7OxEFU/s400/zoidberg.jpg

I have mail order degrees in murder-ology and murder-ometry.

slipknottin
03-01-2012, 03:32 AM
I think our front office is great and everything but...I mean we did try to sign Steve Smith which would have been a catastrophy assuming he wound up playing..

Disagree, Smith is a perfect fit as a slot receiver in this offense. Still is.

burier
03-01-2012, 12:14 PM
I have to laugh when I see so many posters second guessing the Giants' resigning players coming back from injury.

Obviously we're checking these guys out medically. The Giants' FO is not stupid and they didn't start doing this yesterday. They have a lot more information than we do, which is basically none.

I'm all for playing armchair GM, I'm as bad as anyone on here...but face it, in this case there's nothing we can do but hope they know what's best.

I think our front office is great and everything but...I mean we did try to sign Steve Smith which would have been a catastrophy assuming he wound up playing.

As that would have set a chain of events in motion that might have altered Cruz's chance to get playing time and you know how the rest of that story would go.

And then there was the Keith Bulluck signing

And the Lavar Arrington signing.

So its not like the front office hasn't screwed up by signing players who USED to be good
but were shells of themselves after the injury.


I don't think t2 should be offered a deal unless its ridiculously cheap.

Same with Hixon

Same with Goff.

These guys are damanged goods.

So a guy we didn't even sign, a guy we gave a 1 year deal to, and a guy we signed like 8 years ago? That's the evidence of our ineptitude with evaluating player injuries?

I think we've done pretty well as of late. We let concussion machine Boss go which most here did not agree with, and signed Kiwi which paid off huge for us at a relatively low price.

I didnt say inept. I just said they can make a mistake like anyone else.

burier
03-01-2012, 12:17 PM
I think our front office is great and everything but...I mean we did try to sign Steve Smith which would have been a catastrophy assuming he wound up playing..

Disagree, Smith is a perfect fit as a slot receiver in this offense. Still is.

What??

so you're saying last year you'd rather have injured Steve Smith in the slot over Victor Cruz? You can't be saying that because that would be insane.

Nicks is a true Wideout. Manningham is a true Wideout and Cruz should be in the slot. There's no room for Steve Smith on the team anymore.

jhamburg
03-01-2012, 01:01 PM
I have to laugh when I see so many posters second guessing the Giants' resigning players coming back from injury.

Obviously we're checking these guys out medically. The Giants' FO is not stupid and they didn't start doing this yesterday. They have a lot more information than we do, which is basically none.

I'm all for playing armchair GM, I'm as bad as anyone on here...but face it, in this case there's nothing we can do but hope they know what's best.

I think our front office is great and everything but...I mean we did try to sign Steve Smith which would have been a catastrophy assuming he wound up playing.

As that would have set a chain of events in motion that might have altered Cruz's chance to get playing time and you know how the rest of that story would go.

And then there was the Keith Bulluck signing

And the Lavar Arrington signing.

So its not like the front office hasn't screwed up by signing players who USED to be good
but were shells of themselves after the injury.


I don't think t2 should be offered a deal unless its ridiculously cheap.

Same with Hixon

Same with Goff.

These guys are damanged goods.

So a guy we didn't even sign, a guy we gave a 1 year deal to, and a guy we signed like 8 years ago? That's the evidence of our ineptitude with evaluating player injuries?

I think we've done pretty well as of late. We let concussion machine Boss go which most here did not agree with, and signed Kiwi which paid off huge for us at a relatively low price.

I didnt say inept. I just said they can make a mistake like anyone else.

RIght, but any time you sign someone coming off an injury you are knowingly taking a risk. It's just a matter of if the reward is worth the risk. The Arrington signing was dumb because of the amount of money. But when you sign a former pro bowler to a short term low money deal, you're obviously just gambling that you will either get a really good value like Kiwi or throwing money away.

Even if a signing is a complete bust, it's not necessarily a "mistake" if it was a smart risk to take at the time.