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critters
02-29-2012, 11:15 AM
After the combine... I'm still diggin it. Problem is Joe Adams' stock definitely did rise and I'm pretty sure my Rd 1 pick won't be available so I may have to change that. If Barron were to drop that far, then you put him there. I could also see bypassing Charles and taking Egnew in a later round. I'm still going to do an updated one cause there are a few things I need to change and narrow down, but wanted to move this to this forum.

Rd 1: Dont'a Hightower (ILB/Alabama)

-As I've stated too many times, this is my #1 target in the draft.



Rd 2: Orson Charles (TE, Georgia) or best OL available. This pick is the
hardest to guess because the first round is so tough to predict right
now. This would be assuming Fleener is gone.



Rd 3: Bernard Pierce(RB/Temple) (if Boykin (CB/UGA) is available, TAKE
HIM here and get Vick Ballard (RB/MSU) in a later round). Michael Egnew
is another TE I like here if we haven't addressed it yet



Rd 4: Senio Kelemete (OT/Washington) if we are still needing OL ..Joe
Adams (WR, Arkansas) <u>if he's still available</u>. I expect his draft stock
to rise. Dequan Menzie (CB/ Alabama), Marcus Forston (DT/Miami)



Rd 5: Danny Trevathan (OLB/Kentucky), Olivier Vernon (DE/Miami) or Jake Bequette
(DE/Arkansas), Vick Ballard (RB/MSU if we
missed on a RB) BJ Cunningham (WR/Michigan State) is we still need a WR, Tauren Poole
(RB/Tennessee)



Rd 6: Greg Childs (WR/ Arkansas), Demario Davis (LB/Ark State), Bryce Brown
(RB/his couch), Jerrell Harris (OLB/Alabama)

tonyt830
02-29-2012, 11:31 AM
After the combine... I'm still diggin it. Problem is Joe Adams' stock definitely did rise and I'm pretty sure my Rd 1 pick won't be available so I may have to change that. If Barron were to drop that far, then you put him there. I could also see bypassing Charles and taking Egnew in a later round. I'm still going to do an updated one cause there are a few things I need to change and narrow down, but wanted to move this to this forum.

Rd 1: Dont'a Hightower* (ILB/Alabama)

-As I've stated too many times, this is my #1 target in the draft.



Rd 2: Orson Charles (TE, Georgia) or best OL available. This pick is the
hardest to guess because the first round is so tough to predict right
now. This would be assuming Fleener is gone.



Rd 3: Bernard Pierce(RB/Temple) (if Boykin (CB/UGA) is available, TAKE
HIM here and get Vick Ballard (RB/MSU) in a later round). Michael Egnew
is another TE I like here if we haven't addressed it yet



Rd 4: Senio Kelemete (OT/Washington) if we are still needing OL ..Joe
Adams (WR, Arkansas) <u>if he's still available</u>. I expect his draft stock
to rise. Dequan Menzie (CB/ Alabama), Marcus Forston (DT/Miami)



Rd 5: Danny Trevathan (OLB/Kentucky), Olivier Vernon (DE/Miami) or Jake Bequette
(DE/Arkansas), Vick Ballard (RB/MSU if we
missed on a RB) BJ Cunningham (WR/Michigan State) is we still need a WR, Tauren Poole
(RB/Tennessee)



Rd 6: Greg Childs (WR/ Arkansas), Demario Davis (LB/Ark State), Bryce Brown
(RB/his couch), Jerrell Harris (OLB/Alabama)


I would not mind Turbin at RB in the 4th or 5th either. So if the Giants took a Boykin in the 3rd for instance, you could go RB in the 4th or later. The RB class is deep this year.

I also like the names Bequette, Cunningham, Childs, Davis in the later rounds as well.

I like Charles and Fleener at TE, but Egnew would be a good option in the 4th rd, especially if the Giants sign in veteran TE in FA.

Kruunch
02-29-2012, 12:47 PM
I just don't see us going LBer in the first (especially one that's a liability in coverage).

slipknottin
02-29-2012, 10:10 PM
Hightower is just not a 4-3 MLB. Hes a strongside LB. Even better fit at ILB in a 3-4.

tonyt830
02-29-2012, 10:22 PM
Hightower is just not a 4-3 MLB. Hes a strongside LB. Even better fit at ILB in a 3-4.That said slip, you think Hightower would be a good fit at Sam for the Giants? If he was sitting there at 32 and you were GM, would you pull the trigger and put him at Sam? Most of the time the Sam comes out for obvious pass situations.</P>


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Raptor22
02-29-2012, 10:42 PM
Hightower is just not a 4-3 MLB. Hes a strongside LB. Even better fit at ILB in a 3-4.That said slip, you think Hightower would be a good fit at Sam for the Giants? If he was sitting there at 32 and you were GM, would you pull the trigger and put him at Sam? Most of the time the Sam comes out for obvious pass situations.</p>


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Obviously, this wasn't addressed to me, but I don't think anyone can answer this without knowing who else is on the board. IMHO, a lot of strange things would have to happen for Hightower to be the best player on the Giants' board at 32.

For example, who would take Hightower at 32 if Poe is there as well?

tonyt830
02-29-2012, 11:05 PM
Hightower is just not a 4-3 MLB. Hes a strongside LB. Even better fit at ILB in a 3-4.That said slip, you think Hightower would be a good fit at Sam for the Giants? If he was sitting there at 32 and you were GM, would you pull the trigger and put him at Sam? Most of the time the Sam comes out for obvious pass situations.</P>


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Obviously, this wasn't addressed to me, but I don't think anyone can answer this without knowing who else is on the board. IMHO, a lot of strange things would have to happen for Hightower to be the best player on the Giants' board at 32.

For example, who would take Hightower at 32 if Poe is there as well?
Wow, if Poe was there at 32! I would not be surprised if a D-linemen was selected at 32. But we all can debate. We all might have our personal preferences, but who knows who Reese and Coughlin may be looking at. It will come down to who Reese thinks is the BPA

slipknottin
03-01-2012, 06:18 PM
Hightower is just not a 4-3 MLB. Hes a strongside LB. Even better fit at ILB in a 3-4.That said slip, you think Hightower would be a good fit at Sam for the Giants?* If he was sitting there at 32 and you were GM, would you pull the trigger and put him at Sam?* Most of the time the Sam comes out for obvious pass situations

For a 3-4 team, yes. For a 4-3 team, no. Would say hes more of a mid 2nd round value.

critters
03-01-2012, 07:00 PM
Hightower is just not a 4-3 MLB. Hes a strongside LB. Even better fit at ILB in a 3-4.That said slip, you think Hightower would be a good fit at Sam for the Giants? If he was sitting there at 32 and you were GM, would you pull the trigger and put him at Sam? Most of the time the Sam comes out for obvious pass situations.</p>


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I want Hightower in the middle. I'm sick of not having a dominating presence in the middle. Hightower is that guy... and a lot more. I'd like to know, the people that are so certain about where he fits in a defense... how much have you honestly watched him play?

slipknottin
03-01-2012, 07:10 PM
Hightower just is too stiff to be a 4-3 Cover 2 MLB.

If you want a MLB in the first round, Bobby Wagner is the guy.

giantman8493
03-01-2012, 07:16 PM
Hightower is just not a 4-3 MLB. Hes a strongside LB. Even better fit at ILB in a 3-4.Perfict. Now we can mlve KIWI back to DE where he belongs.

slipknottin
03-01-2012, 07:17 PM
Hightower is just not a 4-3 MLB. Hes a strongside LB. Even better fit at ILB in a 3-4.Perfict. Now we can mlve KIWI back to DE where he belongs.

Yes, Kiwi deserves to be on the bench most of the game!

critters
03-01-2012, 07:24 PM
Hightower just is too stiff to be a 4-3 Cover 2 MLB.

If you want a MLB in the first round, Bobby Wagner is the guy.

I like Wagner but not as a first round pick.

giantman8493
03-01-2012, 07:24 PM
Hightower is just not a 4-3 MLB. Hes a strongside LB. Even better fit at ILB in a 3-4.Perfict. Now we can mlve KIWI back to DE where he belongs.

Yes, Kiwi deserves to be on the bench most of the game!Hell yeah!!!! I love being on the same page as someone.

slipknottin
03-01-2012, 07:25 PM
like Wagner but not as a first round pick.


Wagner is going to go first round, perhaps early 2nd. Hes a great fit for a 4-3 team, can play all three positions, and has experience doing so.

critters
03-01-2012, 07:43 PM
like Wagner but not as a first round pick.


Wagner is going to go first round, perhaps early 2nd. Hes a great fit for a 4-3 team, can play all three positions, and has experience doing so.

Good for him. I don't personally want a WAC linebacker as our first pick. Like I said, I REALLY like the guy, but I'm not really sure he brings us something we don't already have. He is very well rounded and disciplined though. Really can't say anything bad about Wagner, I am definitely a fan of his, but my personal preference is the guy that can kill anything that comes over the middle, shed blocks and eat up RBs... and did all that in the best conference in college football. Maybe Hightower would be a liability in coverage (he can cover TEs for sure), all I know is I've been keeping an eye on him since he played in high school and outside of the year he was coming off of a major knee surgery, he has dominated consistently and at multiple positions. I'm definitely a bit biased because of how much I have watched him play, but that also makes me way more knowledgeable about him than anyone on here. If he struggled in our defense as a ILB, put him at DE where he would also dominate.

slipknottin
03-01-2012, 07:58 PM
Ive watched him play his entire career at Bama too. And I have a very different view on hightower.

I think he is a huge liability in coverage. Absolutely could not cover any backs or TEs in man coverage. He is strictly a zone defender, but he does not have the range or hips to play deep middle in a cover 2.

And while I do think he is a great run defender, Im not so sure how big of a need a run stopping MLB is. Id rather have a guy who is only "good" against the run and also effective against the pass, rather than a guy who is only a 2 down linebacker like Hightower would be.

Spizi
03-02-2012, 12:36 AM
Ive watched him play his entire career at Bama too. And I have a very different view on hightower.

I think he is a huge liability in coverage. Absolutely could not cover any backs or TEs in man coverage. He is strictly a zone defender, but he does not have the range or hips to play deep middle in a cover 2.

And while I do think he is a great run defender, Im not so sure how big of a need a run stopping MLB is. Id rather have a guy who is only "good" against the run and also effective against the pass, rather than a guy who is only a 2 down linebacker like Hightower would be.

Hightower might be a 2 down linebacker but he is a 3 down football player. I still can't see the Giants taking Hightower or any LB at 32 (obviously Kuechly)

critters
03-02-2012, 10:21 AM
I'm not sure we take a LB first round either. I know Wagner is a good pick and there are one or 2 other guys I've seen mentioned, but if we don't take Hightower I'd rather just wait and get Demario Davis in a later round.