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RoanokeFan
02-29-2012, 11:22 AM
CBA BLOCKS GIANTS' ABILITY TO EXTEND DAVE TOLLEFSON'S CONTRACT (http://www.giants101.com/2012/02/29/cba-blocks-new-york-giants-ability-to-extend-dave-tollefsons-contract/)

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Giants wish to re-sign defensive end <a class="st_tag internal_tag" title="Posts tagged with Dave Tollefson" href="http://www.giants101.com/tag/dave-tollefson/" rel="tag nofollow">Dave
Tollefson</a>, they're going to have to wait (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2012/02/andrews-doing-well-wants-to-return-to-giants) until his current deal expires
on March 13th and he tests free agent waters.



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Because Tollefson played under a “minimum salary benefit deal” last season -a
one-year contract for the veteran minimum that counts for less against the
salary cap- the Giants are unable to extend or renegotiate his contract under
the rules laid out in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA). Instead,
his current deal must be allowed to expire and he must officially become a free
agent before the team can reach out to him to discuss a new deal.</p>


The Giants have expressed an interest in Tollefson returning, but he may
ultimately seek an opportunity for more playing time or a bump in salary.</p>


In 16 games last season, Tollefson had 21 tackles, five sacks and two forced
fumbles as a reserve, although he did start two games because of injuries to
other players.</p>


Tollefson is often vastly underrated due to the incredible talent that plays
around him, but as a #4 DE, he's about as valuable and talented as they come.
He's spent the last five seasons with the Giants, and has contributed both on
defense and special teams.</p>


In 2011, he earned a base salary of $685,000 (plus $50,000 in incentives),
but only $525,000 was held against the cap."</p>

GameTime
02-29-2012, 11:35 AM
CBA BLOCKS GIANTS' ABILITY TO EXTEND DAVE TOLLEFSON'S CONTRACT (http://www.giants101.com/2012/02/29/cba-blocks-new-york-giants-ability-to-extend-dave-tollefsons-contract/)

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Because Tollefson played under a “minimum salary benefit deal” last season -a one-year contract for the veteran minimum that counts for less against the salary cap- the Giants are unable to extend or renegotiate his contract under the rules laid out in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA). Instead, his current deal must be allowed to expire and he must officially become a free agent before the team can reach out to him to discuss a new deal.</P>


The Giants have expressed an interest in Tollefson returning, but he may ultimately seek an opportunity for more playing time or a bump in salary.</P>


In 16 games last season, Tollefson had 21 tackles, five sacks and two forced fumbles as a reserve, although he did start two games because of injuries to other players.</P>


Tollefson is often vastly underrated due to the incredible talent that plays around him, but as a #4 DE, he's about as valuable and talented as they come. He's spent the last five seasons with the Giants, and has contributed both on defense and special teams.</P>


In 2011, he earned a base salary of $685,000 (plus $50,000 in incentives), but only $525,000 was held against the cap."</P>



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he has found his way back on the Giants squad every season. I think he wants to be here and will get an extension from them similar to what has now. Imagine that....playing that hard, was asked to do more this season because of injuries, contributing on STs as well and being paid way less then his DL teamates. I give him huge credit. But I guess that is the life of backup in the NFL many times. </P>


I hope he stays....</P>

Kruunch
02-29-2012, 11:48 AM
We'll see the truth of that when he's offered $5mil/year to be a starter by a desperate Jets team.

GameTime
02-29-2012, 11:50 AM
We'll see the truth of that when he's offered $5mil/year to be a starter by a desperate Jets team.</P>


no way he gets a big offer like that.........:)</P>

TuckYou
02-29-2012, 11:58 AM
CBA BLOCKS GIANTS' ABILITY TO EXTEND DAVE TOLLEFSON'S CONTRACT (http://www.giants101.com/2012/02/29/cba-blocks-new-york-giants-ability-to-extend-dave-tollefsons-contract/)

"If the New York (http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york/) Giants wish to re-sign defensive end Dave Tollefson (http://www.giants101.com/tag/dave-tollefson/), they're going to have to wait (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2012/02/andrews-doing-well-wants-to-return-to-giants) until his current deal expires on March 13th and he tests free agent waters.


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Because Tollefson played under a “minimum salary benefit deal” last season -a one-year contract for the veteran minimum that counts for less against the salary cap- the Giants are unable to extend or renegotiate his contract under the rules laid out in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA). Instead, his current deal must be allowed to expire and he must officially become a free agent before the team can reach out to him to discuss a new deal.</P>


The Giants have expressed an interest in Tollefson returning, but he may ultimately seek an opportunity for more playing time or a bump in salary.</P>


In 16 games last season, Tollefson had 21 tackles, five sacks and two forced fumbles as a reserve, although he did start two games because of injuries to other players.</P>


Tollefson is often vastly underrated due to the incredible talent that plays around him, but as a #4 DE, he's about as valuable and talented as they come. He's spent the last five seasons with the Giants, and has contributed both on defense and special teams.</P>


In 2011, he earned a base salary of $685,000 (plus $50,000 in incentives), but only $525,000 was held against the cap."</P>



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he has found his way back on the Giants squad every season. I think he wants to be here and will get an extension from them similar to what has now. Imagine that....playing that hard, was asked to do more this season because of injuries, contributing on STs as well and being paid way less then his DL teamates. I give him huge credit. But I guess that is the life of backup in the NFL many times. </P>


I hope he stays....</P>


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Eh, for $685K a year, Id bust my *** on every down too... Its still better then the $50K he would get as a working man.</P>

Kruunch
02-29-2012, 12:04 PM
We'll see the truth of that when he's offered $5mil/year to be a starter by a desperate Jets team.</P>


no way he gets a big offer like that.........:)</P>

$5mil/year is cheap for a potential play making DE and fairly standard for a journeyman DE.

Don't be too surprised to see him get something along those lines.

RoanokeFan
02-29-2012, 12:05 PM
CBA BLOCKS GIANTS' ABILITY TO EXTEND DAVE TOLLEFSON'S CONTRACT (http://www.giants101.com/2012/02/29/cba-blocks-new-york-giants-ability-to-extend-dave-tollefsons-contract/)

"If the New York (http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york/) Giants wish to re-sign defensive end Dave Tollefson (http://www.giants101.com/tag/dave-tollefson/), they're going to have to wait (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2012/02/andrews-doing-well-wants-to-return-to-giants) until his current deal expires on March 13th and he tests free agent waters.


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Because Tollefson played under a “minimum salary benefit deal” last season -a one-year contract for the veteran minimum that counts for less against the salary cap- the Giants are unable to extend or renegotiate his contract under the rules laid out in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA). Instead, his current deal must be allowed to expire and he must officially become a free agent before the team can reach out to him to discuss a new deal.</p>


The Giants have expressed an interest in Tollefson returning, but he may ultimately seek an opportunity for more playing time or a bump in salary.</p>


In 16 games last season, Tollefson had 21 tackles, five sacks and two forced fumbles as a reserve, although he did start two games because of injuries to other players.</p>


Tollefson is often vastly underrated due to the incredible talent that plays around him, but as a #4 DE, he's about as valuable and talented as they come. He's spent the last five seasons with the Giants, and has contributed both on defense and special teams.</p>


In 2011, he earned a base salary of $685,000 (plus $50,000 in incentives), but only $525,000 was held against the cap."</p>



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he has found his way back on the Giants squad every season. I think he wants to be here and will get an extension from them similar to what has now. Imagine that....playing that hard, was asked to do more this season because of injuries, contributing on STs as well and being paid way less then his DL teamates. I give him huge credit. But I guess that is the life of backup in the NFL many times. </p>


I hope he stays....</p>

This guy adds value to the team. I sure hope we can bring him back to keep the depth we have on the DLine

LT_was_good
02-29-2012, 01:32 PM
We'll see the truth of that when he's offered $5mil/year to be a starter by a desperate Jets team.</p>


no way he gets a big offer like that.........:)</p>

$5mil/year is cheap for a potential play making DE and fairly standard for a journeyman DE.

Don't be too surprised to see him get something along those lines.

He won't get $5mill/year but I could see him at least getting a raise to be in a 3-man rotation or the "first man up" on another team. Even if it's "only" a 200k raise per year, that's a ton of money, and it's a lot more money to someone like Tolly who isn't making millions (AND MILLIONS!) of dollars.

gmen0820
02-29-2012, 01:32 PM
We'll see the truth of that when he's offered $5mil/year to be a starter by a desperate Jets team.I'd bet with you that Tollefson doesn't get a contract that amounts to an APY of half your estimate.

Tollefson is solid depth, not a 5 mil per year pass rusher.

Kruunch
02-29-2012, 01:39 PM
We'll see the truth of that when he's offered $5mil/year to be a starter by a desperate Jets team.I'd bet with you that Tollefson doesn't get a contract that amounts to an APY of half your estimate.

Tollefson is solid depth, not a 5 mil per year pass rusher.

He is to us. As history has proven, the rest of the NFL tends to covet our roleplayers.

Guess we'll find out in a couple of weeks.

Delicreep
02-29-2012, 01:59 PM
I hate to say this, there are 11 kajillian stupid rules in the CBA, but this one makes sense to me.

Dude plays at the vet minimum for a 1 year deal, he earns the unquestioned ability to test the market, in my opinion.

JJC7301
02-29-2012, 02:24 PM
CBA BLOCKS GIANTS' ABILITY TO EXTEND DAVE TOLLEFSON'S CONTRACT (http://www.giants101.com/2012/02/29/cba-blocks-new-york-giants-ability-to-extend-dave-tollefsons-contract/)

"If the New York (http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york/) Giants wish to re-sign defensive end Dave Tollefson (http://www.giants101.com/tag/dave-tollefson/), they're going to have to wait (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2012/02/andrews-doing-well-wants-to-return-to-giants) until his current deal expires on March 13th and he tests free agent waters.


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Because Tollefson played under a “minimum salary benefit deal” last season -a one-year contract for the veteran minimum that counts for less against the salary cap- the Giants are unable to extend or renegotiate his contract under the rules laid out in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA). Instead, his current deal must be allowed to expire and he must officially become a free agent before the team can reach out to him to discuss a new deal.</p>


The Giants have expressed an interest in Tollefson returning, but he may ultimately seek an opportunity for more playing time or a bump in salary.</p>


In 16 games last season, Tollefson had 21 tackles, five sacks and two forced fumbles as a reserve, although he did start two games because of injuries to other players.</p>


Tollefson is often vastly underrated due to the incredible talent that plays around him, but as a #4 DE, he's about as valuable and talented as they come. He's spent the last five seasons with the Giants, and has contributed both on defense and special teams.</p>


In 2011, he earned a base salary of $685,000 (plus $50,000 in incentives), but only $525,000 was held against the cap."</p>



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he has found his way back on the Giants squad every season. I think he wants to be here and will get an extension from them similar to what has now. Imagine that....playing that hard, was asked to do more this season because of injuries, contributing on STs as well and being paid way less then his DL teamates. I give him huge credit. But I guess that is the life of backup in the NFL many times. </p>


I hope he stays....</p>

This guy adds value to the team.* I sure hope we can bring him back to keep the depth we have on the DLine

+1. Tolly has been a GREAT insurance policy at DE.

I'd be surprised if he did NOT get a much larger offer from someone else. Maybe not $5 mil, but at least $2 or $3 mil per year.

hungrrrry
02-29-2012, 02:30 PM
I am sure Tollefson will give the Giants the first, second and third opportunity to sign him when FA starts. However, unlike many prognosticators out there, Tolly could do better than a #4 position at DE on any team! In fact, he is a starter on some of these defense/pass-rush deficient teams including the likes of the Patriots, Bucs, Saints, Jags and so on. Definately a rotational and/or rotationalguy for GB, Det., etc. Granted, some of these teams are 3-4 teams and he would have some adjusting to do but he is worth more than he gets...I guess that is more my point! But, I like him here as our #4!

G-Man67
02-29-2012, 03:10 PM
see i don't really see a team offering him much and not because he isn't valuable, but more because teams want to have younger players at #4 DE that they are developing to become future starters... the only way he gets offered any kind of real deal is if some team in so desparate at DE that they would pencil him in to start Week 1 as a #2 DE</P>

nygsb42champs
02-29-2012, 03:31 PM
I hope they can work out a deal. He was invaluable to them last year.

MattMeyerBud
02-29-2012, 05:54 PM
CBA BLOCKS GIANTS' ABILITY TO EXTEND DAVE TOLLEFSON'S CONTRACT (http://www.giants101.com/2012/02/29/cba-blocks-new-york-giants-ability-to-extend-dave-tollefsons-contract/)

"If the New York (http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york/)
Giants wish to re-sign defensive end <a class="st_tag internal_tag" title="Posts tagged with Dave Tollefson" href="http://www.giants101.com/tag/dave-tollefson/" rel="tag nofollow">Dave
Tollefson</a>, they're going to have to wait (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2012/02/andrews-doing-well-wants-to-return-to-giants) until his current deal expires
on March 13th and he tests free agent waters.



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20, 2011. At left is Giants' <a class="st_tag internal_tag" title="Posts tagged with Dave Tollefson" href="http://www.giants101.com/tag/dave-tollefson/" rel="tag nofollow">Dave
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Because Tollefson played under a “minimum salary benefit deal” last season -a
one-year contract for the veteran minimum that counts for less against the
salary cap- the Giants are unable to extend or renegotiate his contract under
the rules laid out in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA). Instead,
his current deal must be allowed to expire and he must officially become a free
agent before the team can reach out to him to discuss a new deal.</p>


The Giants have expressed an interest in Tollefson returning, but he may
ultimately seek an opportunity for more playing time or a bump in salary.</p>


In 16 games last season, Tollefson had 21 tackles, five sacks and two forced
fumbles as a reserve, although he did start two games because of injuries to
other players.</p>


Tollefson is often vastly underrated due to the incredible talent that plays
around him, but as a #4 DE, he's about as valuable and talented as they come.
He's spent the last five seasons with the Giants, and has contributed both on
defense and special teams.</p>


In 2011, he earned a base salary of $685,000 (plus $50,000 in incentives),
but only $525,000 was held against the cap."</p>


i wonder why its not okay to try and renegotiate?

GameTime
02-29-2012, 06:23 PM
CBA BLOCKS GIANTS' ABILITY TO EXTEND DAVE TOLLEFSON'S CONTRACT (http://www.giants101.com/2012/02/29/cba-blocks-new-york-giants-ability-to-extend-dave-tollefsons-contract/)

"If the New York (http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york/) Giants wish to re-sign defensive end Dave Tollefson (http://www.giants101.com/tag/dave-tollefson/), they're going to have to wait (http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants/2012/02/andrews-doing-well-wants-to-return-to-giants) until his current deal expires on March 13th and he tests free agent waters.


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Because Tollefson played under a “minimum salary benefit deal” last season -a one-year contract for the veteran minimum that counts for less against the salary cap- the Giants are unable to extend or renegotiate his contract under the rules laid out in the new Collective Bargaining Agreement (CBA). Instead, his current deal must be allowed to expire and he must officially become a free agent before the team can reach out to him to discuss a new deal.</P>


The Giants have expressed an interest in Tollefson returning, but he may ultimately seek an opportunity for more playing time or a bump in salary.</P>


In 16 games last season, Tollefson had 21 tackles, five sacks and two forced fumbles as a reserve, although he did start two games because of injuries to other players.</P>


Tollefson is often vastly underrated due to the incredible talent that plays around him, but as a #4 DE, he's about as valuable and talented as they come. He's spent the last five seasons with the Giants, and has contributed both on defense and special teams.</P>


In 2011, he earned a base salary of $685,000 (plus $50,000 in incentives), but only $525,000 was held against the cap."</P>





i wonder why its not okay to try and renegotiate?
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I guess the whole point of FA is for the players to cash in so to speak. If they cant even renegotiate then it forces thatscenario......?</P>

RonJon
03-01-2012, 10:23 AM
Cowboys are in the same situation with WR Laurent Robinson. They desperately want him back, but can't sign him until he's a FA for the same reason. They are very scared of losing him now that other teams can go after him as well

TrueBlue@NYC
03-01-2012, 03:46 PM
I hope the team can bring back Tolly, he's one of those guys that just helps your team. Your team is in trouble if he's your starter, but as a rotational guy and as an injury emergency step-in, he's great to have. </P>


I don't see anyone offering him true starter money, but I can certainly see a team offering him about 1 - 1.5 mil a season to be a top rotational guy. That seems about a good value for him. Unfortinately, I'm not sure with our cap situation, if we can afford to pay out 4th DE more than a minimum salary. </P>