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RoanokeFan
02-29-2012, 06:31 PM
WHO FITS GIANTS' NEED AT TIGHT END (http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/who_fits_giants_need_at_tight_end/10182616)

"One of the few holes on the Giants roster is at tight end – an area of need
which GM Jerry Reese has confirmed. They’re likely to consider addressing this
position in the 1st or 2nd round of the draft, so let’s examine who might fit
their needs.


The Giants are one of the few teams in the league still clinging to the
traditional tight end. They expect their tight ends to be an extension of the
offensive line.</p>


This past season the Giants used their tight ends in pass protection on 24
percent of their passing plays – the 6th highest average in the league. But
unlike the teams ahead of them on this list, they don’t bring in pure blockers
in these situations. Instead, all of their tight ends are expected to contribute
as both blockers and receivers. In 2011, all three tight ends were used to block
on 18 percent of pass plays or more, led by Jake Ballard’s 25.6 percent (6th
highest in NFL).</p>


And this isn’t a new trend. In 2010, the Giants also used their tight ends in
pass protection 24 percent of the time, led by Kevin Boss’ 27.9 percent (5th
highest).</p>


So which tight ends in the 2012 draft class fit the Giants mold?</p>



For starters, <a href="http://draftace.com/blog/2012/02/12/coby-fleener-scouting-report/">Coby
Fleener</a>, <a href="http://draftace.com/blog/2012/02/14/orson-charles-scouting-report/">Orson
Charles</a> and <a href="http://draftace.com/blog/2012/01/18/ladarius-green-scouting-report/">Ladarius
Green</a> are not good fits. All three are deficient blockers and lack
the physical qualities to improve in that area.</p>


So if they’re going to address this need early, that leaves them with one
option: <a href="http://draftace.com/blog/2012/02/12/dwayne-allen-scouting-report/">Dwayne
Allen</a>.</p>


Allen isn’t a dominant blocker, but he gives a solid effort and has the frame
to add some weight and improve. He’ll probably never be elite in this area, but
he compares favorably to Kevin Boss both in his blocking ability and his
potential to contribute as a receiver in the passing game.</p>


Allen is definitely an option for the Giants with the 32nd pick."</p>

jhamburg
02-29-2012, 06:47 PM
I don't see why Fleener "lacks the physical qualities to improve" in blocking. What physical qualities are we talking about?

ygkr
02-29-2012, 06:51 PM
Josh Chichester 6-8 sleeper who has good hands but needs some blocking help.Should be around a 4-6 rd guy.

TheBookOfEli
02-29-2012, 07:04 PM
At this point i would love to see Jerry Reese trade out of the first round so we could have 2 second round picks and two 3rd round picks.

I trust JR though. Whatever he does, i'm on board.

giantsfan420
02-29-2012, 07:13 PM
I don't see why Fleener "lacks the physical qualities to improve" in blocking. What physical qualities are we talking about?

yeah this is just pure bs. fleener is bigger 6'6, weights virtually the same, has wider arm span, and i believe did as many bench reps if not more than allen.

plus, teams will prob try the two deep safety look against nicks and cruz ala NE in the SB a lot more...while allen is intriguing and i'd love to have him, he doesn't challenge the vertical seem as much as fleener does, in that regard its not even close. fleener would be perfect in our system, and despite this horribly misguided article, fleener is as good a blocker as allen imo. stanford ran the ball, and also ran a heavy set two te formation often which required fleener to be a blocker and he did fine.

pope would have to help fleener improve, but i'd much rather fleener than allen. i actually think allen has a 2nd round grade and fleener actually a 1rst round grade...we'll see maybe we can trade back get an extra pick and still get allen...but to say fleener is excluded bc of a lack of blocking is completely erroneous

BlueSanta
02-29-2012, 07:35 PM
I don't see why Fleener "lacks the physical qualities to improve" in blocking. What physical qualities are we talking about?

I would guess that the "lack of physical qualities" they are refering to is the line of thought that he doesnt have a wide base/strong lower body. He is more lanky. if you watched him play you would see he really had trouble sustaining blocks and driving through them.

I do think he will take some more coaching to be a good physical run blocker than people here are willing to admit. But, he also showed at the combine he is stronger in the upper body than most people expected. He also showed a willingnes to block just based on the offense he played in.

I dont know if I agree with the article. I personally think that IF we took a TE in round 1, it is more likely that we take Fleener than Allen. But, I also think they are both very good prospects in their own way. Allen is more versatile and Fleener is more epxerienced in pro style offenses. Take your pick, they are both quality players.

Flip Empty
02-29-2012, 07:41 PM
I'd rather they sign Martellus Bennett and see if they can get anything out of him. He's still young.

GameTime
02-29-2012, 07:45 PM
I don't see why Fleener "lacks the physical qualities to improve" in blocking. What physical qualities are we talking about?</P>


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<TD colSpan=3>Prototypical size. Experience lining up as a traditional tight end and at receiver. Above-average straight-line speed. <FONT color=#000080 size=4>Gives a solid effort as a blocker</FONT>. Does a nice job finding the soft spot in zone coverage and giving a large target for the quarterback. Dangerous runner after the catch; size and athleticism makes him tough to bring down. Very reliable hands; catches the ball away from his body and secures it quickly.Does a nice job grabbing the ball at its high point in jump-ball situations.Shows good body control along the sidelines.</TD></TR>
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<TD colSpan=3>Route running could use some work; slow and deliberate in his breaks. Has adequate speed, but quickness and agility are lacking. Lacks the suddenness in his movements to lose defenders. Holds his ground blocking outside linebackers, but struggles to hold off more physical defensive ends. <FONT color=#000080 size=4>Struggles to get low enough to have the leverage necessary to excel as a blocker</FONT>.</TD></TR>
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<TD colSpan=3>Fleener’s rare size/speed combination makes him an interesting prospect, however, he may not be the same dangerous weapon in the passing game at the next level. Fleener preyed on some weak secondaries in college, and he will struggle when matched up with more physically gifted safeties and linebackers in the NFL. His lack of quick-twitch athleticism will be exposed at the next level, limiting the routes on which he can consistently break free. He can still be an effective receiver, but his game at the next level will look different than it did in college. <FONT color=#000080 size=4>Depending on the system in which he lands, he may not be a three-down player due to his marginal blocking ability.</FONT></TD></TR>
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TheEnigma
02-29-2012, 07:49 PM
Probably not going to be popular for mentioning this but Fleener had a pretty good dude throwing him the ball during his collegiate career while Allen had...Kyle Parker and Tahj Boyd or whatever the hell his first name is. Also don't forget that Clemson had the deep threat of Freshman Sammy Watkins in the passing game as well.

I'm not trying to discredit Fleener but it's crystal clear who had the better system to shine in place.

CDN_G-FAN
02-29-2012, 08:17 PM
very rarely has reese used our first for a position of need.

i'd be stunned if we use a first for a TE that will be another project at blocking.

we have that already in pascoe and ballard.

bflo23
02-29-2012, 08:21 PM
So which tight ends in the 2012 draft class fit the Giants mold?</p>



For starters, <a href="http://draftace.com/blog/2012/02/12/coby-fleener-scouting-report/">Coby
Fleener</a>, <a href="http://draftace.com/blog/2012/02/14/orson-charles-scouting-report/">Orson
Charles</a> and <a href="http://draftace.com/blog/2012/01/18/ladarius-green-scouting-report/">Ladarius
Green</a> are not good fits. All three are deficient blockers and lack
the physical qualities to improve in that area.</p>


I don't know why you think Orson Charles is a deficient blocker. He is considered the best pound for pound blocking TE in the combine class according to cbs sportsline. He is also extremely strong and benched 35 times.

Blocking: Has obvious size limitations but might be the toughest pound
for pound blocker among the 2012 crop of tight ends. Seems to enjoy the
physical confrontation of blocking. Is willing to attack much bigger
defenders with an explosive pop and good strength and competes to the
whistle. Good effort at both stages on combo blocks. Looks to help out
his teammates downfield. Was used as an H-back and even served as a lead
fullback, on occasion.

Voldamort
02-29-2012, 08:34 PM
At this point i would love to see Jerry Reese trade out of the first round so we could have 2 second round picks and two 3rd round picks.

I trust JR though. Whatever he does, i'm on board. all in!

TroyArcher
02-29-2012, 08:38 PM
Ben Patrick

C1010
02-29-2012, 08:46 PM
I initially thought they would use their 1st rounder on a TE but to be honest I feel like they will take best player available. Maybe they will choose a TE later but I think Christian Hopkins gets a serious look here.

jhamburg
02-29-2012, 09:00 PM
I don't see why Fleener "lacks the physical qualities to improve" in blocking. What physical qualities are we talking about?</P>


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<TD colSpan=3>Prototypical size. Experience lining up as a traditional tight end and at receiver. Above-average straight-line speed. <FONT color=#000080 size=4>Gives a solid effort as a blocker</FONT>. Does a nice job finding the soft spot in zone coverage and giving a large target for the quarterback. Dangerous runner after the catch; size and athleticism makes him tough to bring down. Very reliable hands; catches the ball away from his body and secures it quickly.*Does a nice job grabbing the ball at its high point in jump-ball situations.*Shows good body control along the sidelines.</TD></TR>
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<TD colSpan=3>Route running could use some work; slow and deliberate in his breaks. Has adequate speed, but quickness and agility are lacking. Lacks the suddenness in his movements to lose defenders. Holds his ground blocking outside linebackers, but struggles to hold off more physical defensive ends. <FONT color=#000080 size=4>Struggles to get low enough to have the leverage necessary to excel as a blocker</FONT>.</TD></TR>
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<TD colSpan=3>Fleener’s rare size/speed combination makes him an interesting prospect, however, he may not be the same dangerous weapon in the passing game at the next level. Fleener preyed on some weak secondaries in college, and he will struggle when matched up with more physically gifted safeties and linebackers in the NFL. His lack of quick-twitch athleticism will be exposed at the next level, limiting the routes on which he can consistently break free. He can still be an effective receiver, but his game at the next level will look different than it did in college. <FONT color=#000080 size=4>Depending on the system in which he lands, he may not be a three-down player due to his marginal blocking ability.</FONT></TD></TR>
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I get that it's a weakness, but the article is saying that he is physically unable to improve as a blocker. Like, he's reached his absolute potential in blocking ability. That is pretty damning.