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TuckYou
03-02-2012, 08:13 AM
While teammates Terrell Thomas and Dominik Hixon have contract negotiations going on with Big Blue, Chase has not heard from the Giants at all.</P>



The requests continue to flow in, one after another as if there’s not enough of Chase Blackburn to go around.“It’s been ridiculous, actually,’’ Richard Katz, Blackburn’s agent, told The Post Thursday. “He’s a pretty popular guy. His tale is an incredible tale.’’The question is whether that tale ended with Blackburn starting at middle linebacker for the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI or continues into the 2012 season. The NFL free-agency signing period begins March 13 and the Giants haven’t even contacted Katz, haven’t expressed any interest in re-signing Blackburn, who was one of a handful of players who shined brightest of all during the improbable Super Bowl run.</P>


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I think this is unfair to Chase, considering what he did for us, but it is a business, and we can definitely upgade the position. </P>


Herzlich, Jones and possible Goff if healthy and resigned are going to battle it out. Maybe they get s stud MLB in the draft like Dont'a Hightower.</P>

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 08:18 AM
i think Chase did well but the Giants are going to go with the young guys. Those Rookies didnt have proper time to learn the defense and its why they struggled some in the early season. Cant wait to see what Jacquain Williams looks like after a proper off season

NewYorkSwagg
03-02-2012, 08:24 AM
We need a future LB so someone like Hightower in the draft and put Herzlich on the outside move Kiwi back to DE because he is so much more productive there trade Osi would make a lot of sense and you'll save a lot more money.

GGTM_1977
03-02-2012, 08:41 AM
This is profane! I don't care how promising the young talent looks......this guy came back after being cut, and helped solidify the defense for a 2nd title. Just like people have made claims that we are spoiled with Eli at QB and how we have treated him over the years........I feel the same could appy here. We are not content with a guy that works his tail off, gives us 120%, comes at our beckon call after we cut him at the beginning of the season to make room for the YOUNG GUYS. Chase deserves his shot, and he deserves a contract, not a huge contract, but a decent one that can pay the bills. Have you heard this guys story after we cut him? He was doing the mister-mom thing, trying to get a math teacher's job......does this sound like somebody thats going to crab about getting big time $$$? DO THE RIGHT THING REESE!!

BJacobs aka The Problem
03-02-2012, 08:47 AM
DO THE RIGHT THING REESE!!

By who? The Giants or Chase Blackburn. Yes, he did a great job coming in mid season and help the team win the Superbowl, but the Giants already did the right thing. It's not like he didn't get paid while playing. Reese will do what he does best. Evaluate what he has and what he needs and will bring in players accordingly.

Would I like to see Blackburn back, yeah. I've always thought he was a good backup LB and a great special teamer, but I also don't think he's our future at MLB. As it stands, he's a fill in the hole for depth guy and I'm certain that if he doesn't get a shot to come back for training camp, another team will pick him up.

Seducer
03-02-2012, 08:57 AM
This is profane! I don't care how promising the young talent looks......this guy came back after being cut, and helped solidify the defense for a 2nd title. Just like people have made claims that we are spoiled with Eli at QB and how we have treated him over the years........I feel the same could appy here. We are not content with a guy that works his tail off, gives us 120%, comes at our beckon call after we cut him at the beginning of the season to make room for the YOUNG GUYS. Chase deserves his shot, and he deserves a contract, not a huge contract, but a decent one that can pay the bills. Have you heard this guys story after we cut him? He was doing the mister-mom thing, trying to get a math teacher's job......does this sound like somebody thats going to crab about getting big time $$$? DO THE RIGHT THING REESE!!</P>


I'd rather the Giants win than do the right thing. In reality (where I live), that is how life goes. Hard work only gets you so far, you actually have to be good at what you do.</P>

GGTM_1977
03-02-2012, 08:59 AM
DO THE RIGHT THING REESE!!

By who? The Giants or Chase Blackburn. Yes, he did a great job coming in mid season and help the team win the Superbowl, but the Giants already did the right thing. It's not like he didn't get paid while playing. Reese will do what he does best. Evaluate what he has and what he needs and will bring in players accordingly.

Would I like to see Blackburn back, yeah. I've always thought he was a good backup LB and a great special teamer, but I also don't think he's our future at MLB. As it stands, he's a fill in the hole for depth guy and I'm certain that if he doesn't get a shot to come back for training camp, another team will pick him up.

Right, so we can make room for the next "impact" linebacker from our young guys.......ridiculous. I didn't say make Chase the permanent guy, but maybe for a few years until one of the young guys has more experience under their belt....

BJacobs aka The Problem
03-02-2012, 09:04 AM
DO THE RIGHT THING REESE!!

By who? The Giants or Chase Blackburn. Yes, he did a great job coming in mid season and help the team win the Superbowl, but the Giants already did the right thing. It's not like he didn't get paid while playing. Reese will do what he does best. Evaluate what he has and what he needs and will bring in players accordingly.

Would I like to see Blackburn back, yeah. I've always thought he was a good backup LB and a great special teamer, but I also don't think he's our future at MLB. As it stands, he's a fill in the hole for depth guy and I'm certain that if he doesn't get a shot to come back for training camp, another team will pick him up.

Right, so we can make room for the next "impact" linebacker from our young guys.......ridiculous. I didn't say make Chase the permanent guy, but maybe for a few years until one of the young guys has more experience under their belt....

Yeah and I'm saying if Reese feels as if he's good enough, he'll get a shot in camp to prove it. The Giants are already in caproom hell with barely any room to sign/retain the important players. Reese needs to be smart and offering a multiyear contract for a backup LB/special teamer isn't smart unless he feels that the young group of LB's he has right now can't do the job.

As it stands, Chase may have to wait until camp starts to get a call once the coaching staff can evaluate if these guys aren't good enough. Also, whats not to say they don't draft a good LB?

TheEnigma
03-02-2012, 09:05 AM
If the Giants don't deem Chase good enough for the MLB position, I would love to see them offer him some sort of job as a position coach maybe some time down the line. He's a very intelligent man who made an impact with getting the defense in correct position.

WIth that said, I learned not to worry too much about the MLB position anymore since this team utilizes the 3 safety set more so. They just need someone slightly athletic enough to be our run stopper.

nhpgiantsfan
03-02-2012, 09:13 AM
He is a good back up player and special teamer. If you could get him for the right price (vet minimum) fine. But if other teams are calling like his agent says, he is not a player that the Giants should get into a free agent bidding war with other teams for. He did not turn our season around as some would say. The defense gave up 95 points in his first 3 games here. Then we got everyone healthy for the last two games and the playoff run.

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 09:19 AM
If the Giants don't deem Chase good enough for the MLB position, I would love to see them offer him some sort of job as a position coach maybe some time down the line. He's a very intelligent man who made an impact with getting the defense in correct position.

WIth that said, I learned not to worry too much about the MLB position anymore since this team utilizes the 3 safety set more so. They just need someone slightly athletic enough to be our run stopper. If Goff is healthy he is a perfect fit. He is inexpensive and plays the run well. On obvious passing downs U go with Jwill and Boley. I dont see whats wrong with that set up.

GameTime
03-02-2012, 09:24 AM
From the "feel good" standpoint he deserves a shot at making the team and vet minimum salary. From the business end I think he shoudl still get a shot in camp and his future contract agreement should reflect that...</P>


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TheEnigma
03-02-2012, 09:25 AM
If the Giants don't deem Chase good enough for the MLB position, I would love to see them offer him some sort of job as a position coach maybe some time down the line. He's a very intelligent man who made an impact with getting the defense in correct position.

WIth that said, I learned not to worry too much about the MLB position anymore since this team utilizes the 3 safety set more so. They just need someone slightly athletic enough to be our run stopper. If Goff is healthy he is a perfect fit. He is inexpensive and plays the run well. On obvious passing downs U go with Jwill and Boley. I dont see whats wrong with that set up.Pretty much agree. This defense is really good and stocked with talent at most positions. The only position I worry about really is CB but I'm not too worried with Webster, Prince, and TT (if he can come back to form). We're at the point that we can draft the best talent available on defense that can learn and get us out of some of the bigger contracts we have in the future.

ryan12
03-02-2012, 09:35 AM
From the "feel good" standpoint he deserves a shot at making the team and vet minimum salary. From the business end I think he shoudl still get a shot in camp and his future contract agreement should reflect that...</P>


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agreed 100%. he was really solid for us off his couch. he has a ton of heart and wont cost us alot of $. he is also a beast on special teams. love chase maybe not as a starter if we resign goff but give the man a shot. HE EARNED IT

FBomb
03-02-2012, 10:14 AM
DO THE RIGHT THING REESE!! By who? The Giants or Chase Blackburn. Yes, he did a great job coming in mid season and help the team win the Superbowl, but the Giants already did the right thing. It's not like he didn't get paid while playing. Reese will do what he does best. Evaluate what he has and what he needs and will bring in players accordingly. Would I like to see Blackburn back, yeah. I've always thought he was a good backup LB and a great special teamer, but I also don't think he's our future at MLB. As it stands, he's a fill in the hole for depth guy and I'm certain that if he doesn't get a shot to come back for training camp, another team will pick him up. Right, so we can make room for the next "impact" linebacker from our young guys.......ridiculous. I didn't say make Chase the permanent guy, but maybe for a few years until one of the young guys has more experience under their belt....</P>


THIS is why fans don't make decisions for the team they root for. All heart and no brains. I love Chase and he brought fire to the defense......but he ISNT a true starting MLB and we have BIGGER fish to fry before we get to Chase.</P>

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 10:16 AM
While teammates Terrell Thomas and Dominik Hixon have contract negotiations going on with Big Blue, Chase has not heard from the Giants at all.</p>



The requests continue to flow in, one after another as if there’s not enough of Chase Blackburn to go around.“It’s been ridiculous, actually,’’ Richard Katz, Blackburn’s agent, told The Post Thursday. “He’s a pretty popular guy. His tale is an incredible tale.’’The question is whether that tale ended with Blackburn starting at middle linebacker for the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI or continues into the 2012 season. The NFL free-agency signing period begins March 13 and the Giants haven’t even contacted Katz, haven’t expressed any interest in re-signing Blackburn, who was one of a handful of players who shined brightest of all during the improbable Super Bowl run.</p>


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I think this is unfair to Chase, considering what he did for us, but it is a business, and we can definitely upgade the position. </p>


Herzlich, Jones and possible Goff if healthy and resigned are going to battle it out. Maybe they get s stud MLB in the draft like Dont'a Hightower.</p>

same thing that happened to him last year...

now all of those mario and steve smith haters - wheres your loyalty argument now?

JJC7301
03-02-2012, 10:32 AM
We need a future LB so someone like Hightower in the draft and put Herzlich on the outside move Kiwi back to DE because he is so much more productive there trade Osi would make a lot of sense and you'll save a lot more money.
Then you're taking away from your pass rushing depth, plus Osi is better than Kiwi -- 9 sacks in 9 games plust multiple ball strips? Osi is better than Kiwi.

How much could Blackburn possibly cost them? He was signed off the street at the end of the season. There is NO reason not to sign Blackburn, and quite frankly, he played better this season than I can ever remember Goff playing.

JJC7301
03-02-2012, 10:33 AM
While teammates Terrell Thomas and Dominik Hixon have contract negotiations going on with Big Blue, Chase has not heard from the Giants at all.</p>



The requests continue to flow in, one after another as if there’s not enough of Chase Blackburn to go around.“It’s been ridiculous, actually,’’ Richard Katz, Blackburn’s agent, told The Post Thursday. “He’s a pretty popular guy. His tale is an incredible tale.’’The question is whether that tale ended with Blackburn starting at middle linebacker for the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI or continues into the 2012 season. The NFL free-agency signing period begins March 13 and the Giants haven’t even contacted Katz, haven’t expressed any interest in re-signing Blackburn, who was one of a handful of players who shined brightest of all during the improbable Super Bowl run.</p>


<u><font color="#810081">http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/blackburn_may_not_return_to_giants_uMPQEqsxGjoDzGA OyLznaM</font></u></p>


I think this is unfair to Chase, considering what he did for us, but it is a business, and we can definitely upgade the position. </p>


Herzlich, Jones and possible Goff if healthy and resigned are going to battle it out. Maybe they get s stud MLB in the draft like Dont'a Hightower.</p>

same thing that happened to him last year...

now all of those mario and steve smith haters - wheres your loyalty argument now?

+1. EXACTLY.

FBomb
03-02-2012, 10:33 AM
While teammates Terrell Thomas and Dominik Hixon have contract negotiations going on with Big Blue, Chase has not heard from the Giants at all.</P>



The requests continue to flow in, one after another as if there’s not enough of Chase Blackburn to go around.“It’s been ridiculous, actually,’’ Richard Katz, Blackburn’s agent, told The Post Thursday. “He’s a pretty popular guy. His tale is an incredible tale.’’The question is whether that tale ended with Blackburn starting at middle linebacker for the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI or continues into the 2012 season. The NFL free-agency signing period begins March 13 and the Giants haven’t even contacted Katz, haven’t expressed any interest in re-signing Blackburn, who was one of a handful of players who shined brightest of all during the improbable Super Bowl run.</P>


<U><FONT color=#810081>http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/blackburn_may_not_return_to_giants_uMPQEqsxGjoDzGA OyLznaM</FONT></U></P>


I think this is unfair to Chase, considering what he did for us, but it is a business, and we can definitely upgade the position. </P>


Herzlich, Jones and possible Goff if healthy and resigned are going to battle it out. Maybe they get s stud MLB in the draft like Dont'a Hightower.</P>




same thing that happened to him last year...

now all of those mario and steve smith haters - wheres your loyalty argument now?
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TuckYou has officially run out of things to complain about.</P>

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 10:38 AM
While teammates Terrell Thomas and Dominik Hixon have contract negotiations going on with Big Blue, Chase has not heard from the Giants at all.</p>



The requests continue to flow in, one after another as if there’s not enough of Chase Blackburn to go around.“It’s been ridiculous, actually,’’ Richard Katz, Blackburn’s agent, told The Post Thursday. “He’s a pretty popular guy. His tale is an incredible tale.’’The question is whether that tale ended with Blackburn starting at middle linebacker for the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI or continues into the 2012 season. The NFL free-agency signing period begins March 13 and the Giants haven’t even contacted Katz, haven’t expressed any interest in re-signing Blackburn, who was one of a handful of players who shined brightest of all during the improbable Super Bowl run.</p>


<u><font color="#810081">http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/blackburn_may_not_return_to_giants_uMPQEqsxGjoDzGA OyLznaM</font></u></p>


I think this is unfair to Chase, considering what he did for us, but it is a business, and we can definitely upgade the position. </p>


Herzlich, Jones and possible Goff if healthy and resigned are going to battle it out. Maybe they get s stud MLB in the draft like Dont'a Hightower.</p>




same thing that happened to him last year...

now all of those mario and steve smith haters - wheres your loyalty argument now?
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TuckYou has officially run out of things to complain about.</p>

it is kind of ******y of the GIants to not even make contact... for a second year in a row

TrueBlue@NYC
03-02-2012, 10:42 AM
We need a future LB so someone like Hightower in the draft and put Herzlich on the outside move Kiwi back to DE because he is so much more productive there trade Osi would make a lot of sense and you'll save a lot more money.
Then you're taking away from your pass rushing depth, plus Osi is better than Kiwi -- 9 sacks in 9 games plust multiple ball strips? Osi is better than Kiwi.

How much could Blackburn possibly cost them? He was signed off the street at the end of the season. There is NO reason not to sign Blackburn, and quite frankly, he played better this season than I can ever remember Goff playing.

+1 on this. When has Goff EVER made a play as big as that downfield INT blackburn had? Why is Goff coinsidered such a better candidate at MLB than Blackburn?

Even if you don't think Blackburn is the future "stud" MLB for the team, how can you not see the value in a guy that can be your top back-up at all three LBer spots AND be a top notch ST player?

Are guys like Jones, Goff and Paysinger THAT MUCH better prospects? Especially since it's not like Blackburn is going to going to call for alot of money.

Also, one reason why Blackburn played so well for us at MLB is b/c that's actually his natural position, he just hasn't played it b/c he's been so busy bailing us out filling in at the OLB spots b/c we were so devoid of talent there.

BlueBlitzer
03-02-2012, 10:43 AM
Chase is exactly the person you sign. He's proved in the clutch He is more than capable. He is a beast on STs. He is not going to demand big money. This guy wasn't sitting on the couch getting fat. He was working out, staying mentally sharp, and He hit the ground running when Big Blue needed Him. He played Big , in Big time games. You don't throw away a good Rib-eye, hoping to land Filet mignon later. Sign the Man.

FBomb
03-02-2012, 10:48 AM
While teammates Terrell Thomas and Dominik Hixon have contract negotiations going on with Big Blue, Chase has not heard from the Giants at all.</P>



The requests continue to flow in, one after another as if there’s not enough of Chase Blackburn to go around.“It’s been ridiculous, actually,’’ Richard Katz, Blackburn’s agent, told The Post Thursday. “He’s a pretty popular guy. His tale is an incredible tale.’’The question is whether that tale ended with Blackburn starting at middle linebacker for the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI or continues into the 2012 season. The NFL free-agency signing period begins March 13 and the Giants haven’t even contacted Katz, haven’t expressed any interest in re-signing Blackburn, who was one of a handful of players who shined brightest of all during the improbable Super Bowl run.</P>


<U><FONT color=#810081>http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/blackburn_may_not_return_to_giants_uMPQEqsxGjoDzGA OyLznaM</FONT></U></P>


I think this is unfair to Chase, considering what he did for us, but it is a business, and we can definitely upgade the position. </P>


Herzlich, Jones and possible Goff if healthy and resigned are going to battle it out. Maybe they get s stud MLB in the draft like Dont'a Hightower.</P>




same thing that happened to him last year...

now all of those mario and steve smith haters - wheres your loyalty argument now?
</P>


TuckYou has officially run out of things to complain about.</P>




it is kind of ******y of the GIants to not even make contact... for a second year in a row
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lol....Giants have bigger issues and Chase is not the answer to any of them!!! The best he's going to get is league min from us....let him use his SB heroics to get him a bigger payday somewhere else.....I love the guy but thinking with your heart instead of your head is not how you run a football team.....</P>

buddy33
03-02-2012, 10:48 AM
The interception in the Super Bowl was a great play but let's be honest, injury slowed Gronk down.

I think the best play he made in the post season was in the Green Bay game. He also admitted he was slow on that play.

He does seem to have a nose for the ball, but maybe the staff sees a brighter future with Goff, and all the guys they drafted or signed as FA's last year.

By the way, Goff could have made that play in the Super Bowl as he was getting better against the pass and he is great against the run.

I do hope there is a spot for Chase in this team.

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 10:50 AM
Chase is exactly the person you sign. He's proved in the clutch He is more than capable. He is a beast on STs. He is not going to demand big money. This guy wasn't sitting on the couch getting fat. He was working out, staying mentally sharp, and He hit the ground running when Big Blue needed Him. He played Big , in Big time games. You don't throw away a good Rib-eye, hoping to land Filet mignon later. Sign the Man.

I think the Giants like JWill to be honest. They are very high on Goff and figure that Blackburns price tag will be pretty decent after his performance last year.

Hes no longer a vet minimum kinda guy... we'll have to see what we get Goff for and what Blackburn ends up signing for.

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 10:52 AM
The interception in the Super Bowl was a great play but let's be honest, injury slowed Gronk down.

I think the best play he made in the post season was in the Green Bay game. He also admitted he was slow on that play.

He does seem to have a nose for the ball, but maybe the staff sees a brighter future with Goff, and all the guys they drafted or signed as FA's last year.

By the way, Goff could have made that play in the Super Bowl as he was getting better against the pass and he is great against the run.

I do hope there is a spot for Chase in this team.

I agree with your assessment on Goff. Kid got better every year. Kinda got thrown to the wolves in 09 (not sure he was ready for that), had a strong year in 2010 and was stepping into his contract year this year. I hate quoting preseason, but I thought I saw some things in his game that had me real excited for him this year.

I was never a Goff guy (self admitted Kehl guy lol) but i saw alot in him.

I do feel bad about Blackburn though.

burier
03-02-2012, 11:00 AM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

TuckYou
03-02-2012, 11:00 AM
While teammates Terrell Thomas and Dominik Hixon have contract negotiations going on with Big Blue, Chase has not heard from the Giants at all.</P>



The requests continue to flow in, one after another as if there’s not enough of Chase Blackburn to go around.“It’s been ridiculous, actually,’’ Richard Katz, Blackburn’s agent, told The Post Thursday. “He’s a pretty popular guy. His tale is an incredible tale.’’The question is whether that tale ended with Blackburn starting at middle linebacker for the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI or continues into the 2012 season. The NFL free-agency signing period begins March 13 and the Giants haven’t even contacted Katz, haven’t expressed any interest in re-signing Blackburn, who was one of a handful of players who shined brightest of all during the improbable Super Bowl run.</P>


<U><FONT color=#810081>http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/blackburn_may_not_return_to_giants_uMPQEqsxGjoDzGA OyLznaM</FONT></U></P>


I think this is unfair to Chase, considering what he did for us, but it is a business, and we can definitely upgade the position. </P>


Herzlich, Jones and possible Goff if healthy and resigned are going to battle it out. Maybe they get s stud MLB in the draft like Dont'a Hightower.</P>




same thing that happened to him last year...

now all of those mario and steve smith haters - wheres your loyalty argument now?
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TuckYou has officially run out of things to complain about.</P>


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Huh? I dont get it. I actually want the Giants to resign him for depth, but understand if they dont. Who is complaining?</P>

RoanokeFan
03-02-2012, 11:01 AM
While teammates Terrell Thomas and Dominik Hixon have contract negotiations going on with Big Blue, Chase has not heard from the Giants at all.</p>



The requests continue to flow in, one after another as if there’s not enough of Chase Blackburn to go around.“It’s been ridiculous, actually,’’ Richard Katz, Blackburn’s agent, told The Post Thursday. “He’s a pretty popular guy. His tale is an incredible tale.’’The question is whether that tale ended with Blackburn starting at middle linebacker for the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI or continues into the 2012 season. The NFL free-agency signing period begins March 13 and the Giants haven’t even contacted Katz, haven’t expressed any interest in re-signing Blackburn, who was one of a handful of players who shined brightest of all during the improbable Super Bowl run.</p>


<u><font color="#810081">http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/blackburn_may_not_return_to_giants_uMPQEqsxGjoDzGA OyLznaM</font></u></p>


I think this is unfair to Chase, considering what he did for us, but it is a business, and we can definitely upgade the position. </p>


Herzlich, Jones and possible Goff if healthy and resigned are going to battle it out. Maybe they get s stud MLB in the draft like Dont'a Hightower.</p>

I love Chase, but, as we've seen written recently, some hard decisions have to be made. I'm not sure this is a case of the GIANTS don't want him as it is they want to see what he can command on the open market. If that prices him out of their reach, he wins and they move on with Herzlich.

They brought him in to get them through the season an d he did that in spaces, no question. He was paid for his services so saying it's "unfair" is not really the case. It's a business.

I would not be surprised if they feel they have the personnel they need at linebacker.

FBomb
03-02-2012, 11:02 AM
While teammates Terrell Thomas and Dominik Hixon have contract negotiations going on with Big Blue, Chase has not heard from the Giants at all.</P>



The requests continue to flow in, one after another as if there’s not enough of Chase Blackburn to go around.“It’s been ridiculous, actually,’’ Richard Katz, Blackburn’s agent, told The Post Thursday. “He’s a pretty popular guy. His tale is an incredible tale.’’The question is whether that tale ended with Blackburn starting at middle linebacker for the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI or continues into the 2012 season. The NFL free-agency signing period begins March 13 and the Giants haven’t even contacted Katz, haven’t expressed any interest in re-signing Blackburn, who was one of a handful of players who shined brightest of all during the improbable Super Bowl run.</P>


<U><FONT color=#810081>http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/blackburn_may_not_return_to_giants_uMPQEqsxGjoDzGA OyLznaM</FONT></U></P>


I think this is unfair to Chase, considering what he did for us, but it is a business, and we can definitely upgade the position. </P>


Herzlich, Jones and possible Goff if healthy and resigned are going to battle it out. Maybe they get s stud MLB in the draft like Dont'a Hightower.</P>




same thing that happened to him last year...

now all of those mario and steve smith haters - wheres your loyalty argument now?
</P>


TuckYou has officially run out of things to complain about.</P>


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Huh? I dont get it. I actually want the Giants to resign him for depth, but understand if they dont. Who is complaining?</P>


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That was my point. You're not complaining.[;)]</P>

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 11:05 AM
While teammates Terrell Thomas and Dominik Hixon have contract negotiations going on with Big Blue, Chase has not heard from the Giants at all.</p>



The requests continue to flow in, one after another as if there’s not enough of Chase Blackburn to go around.“It’s been ridiculous, actually,’’ Richard Katz, Blackburn’s agent, told The Post Thursday. “He’s a pretty popular guy. His tale is an incredible tale.’’The question is whether that tale ended with Blackburn starting at middle linebacker for the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI or continues into the 2012 season. The NFL free-agency signing period begins March 13 and the Giants haven’t even contacted Katz, haven’t expressed any interest in re-signing Blackburn, who was one of a handful of players who shined brightest of all during the improbable Super Bowl run.</p>


<u><font color="#810081">http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/blackburn_may_not_return_to_giants_uMPQEqsxGjoDzGA OyLznaM</font></u></p>


I think this is unfair to Chase, considering what he did for us, but it is a business, and we can definitely upgade the position. </p>


Herzlich, Jones and possible Goff if healthy and resigned are going to battle it out. Maybe they get s stud MLB in the draft like Dont'a Hightower.</p>




same thing that happened to him last year...

now all of those mario and steve smith haters - wheres your loyalty argument now?
</p>


TuckYou has officially run out of things to complain about.</p>




it is kind of ******y of the GIants to not even make contact... for a second year in a row
</p>


lol....Giants have bigger issues and Chase is not the answer to any of them!!! The best he's going to get is league min from us....let him use his SB heroics to get him a bigger payday somewhere else.....I love the guy but thinking with your heart instead of your head is not how you run a football team.....</p>

im not saying that its ******y that they aren't signing him, im saying its ******y to not even contact him with a courtesy call. THey left him high and dry last year. He had to call them a week into camp and ask if they had any intereted in talking to him....

I duno maybe i'm off base but the guy was just a big part of turning our season around which lead to a ring. Im saying to not even contact him? I mean i know its a business but that doesn't mean you can't give the guy a heads up to your thinking.

GGTM_1977
03-02-2012, 11:05 AM
We need a future LB so someone like Hightower in the draft and put Herzlich on the outside move Kiwi back to DE because he is so much more productive there trade Osi would make a lot of sense and you'll save a lot more money.
Then you're taking away from your pass rushing depth, plus Osi is better than Kiwi -- 9 sacks in 9 games plust multiple ball strips? Osi is better than Kiwi.

How much could Blackburn possibly cost them? He was signed off the street at the end of the season. There is NO reason not to sign Blackburn, and quite frankly, he played better this season than I can ever remember Goff playing.

+1 on this. When has Goff EVER made a play as big as that downfield INT blackburn had? Why is Goff coinsidered such a better candidate at MLB than Blackburn?

Even if you don't think Blackburn is the future "stud" MLB for the team, how can you not see the value in a guy that can be your top back-up at all three LBer spots AND be a top notch ST player?

Are guys like Jones, Goff and Paysinger THAT MUCH better prospects? Especially since it's not like Blackburn is going to going to call for alot of money.

Also, one reason why Blackburn played so well for us at MLB is b/c that's actually his natural position, he just hasn't played it b/c he's been so busy bailing us out filling in at the OLB spots b/c we were so devoid of talent there.

This, this and more of this! WHO? Who do we have on the roster at LB that is more valued than Chase? He can play all 3 LB positions.....and KNOWS the defensive play calls. Goff is better? Maybe faster, yes. I will be honest, the only rookie that inmpressed me was JWil. Jones stunk, Herzlich got seriously injured after one game, and Paysinger.......I forgot he was on the roster. But these guys are going to dominate next year.....right.

TuckYou
03-02-2012, 11:06 AM
Chase should at least get a vet min offer from the Giants. If he can do better fine, but I mean, we just won a SB with him at MLB. Why not keep him in there for depth and expirience. As of right now, Id rather him over Greg Jones.

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 11:07 AM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him. But lets not diminish his performance this year

RoanokeFan
03-02-2012, 11:07 AM
While teammates Terrell Thomas and Dominik Hixon have contract negotiations going on with Big Blue, Chase has not heard from the Giants at all.</p>



The requests continue to flow in, one after another as if there’s not enough of Chase Blackburn to go around.“It’s been ridiculous, actually,’’ Richard Katz, Blackburn’s agent, told The Post Thursday. “He’s a pretty popular guy. His tale is an incredible tale.’’The question is whether that tale ended with Blackburn starting at middle linebacker for the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI or continues into the 2012 season. The NFL free-agency signing period begins March 13 and the Giants haven’t even contacted Katz, haven’t expressed any interest in re-signing Blackburn, who was one of a handful of players who shined brightest of all during the improbable Super Bowl run.</p>


<u><font color="#810081">http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/blackburn_may_not_return_to_giants_uMPQEqsxGjoDzGA OyLznaM</font></u></p>


I think this is unfair to Chase, considering what he did for us, but it is a business, and we can definitely upgade the position. </p>


Herzlich, Jones and possible Goff if healthy and resigned are going to battle it out. Maybe they get s stud MLB in the draft like Dont'a Hightower.</p>




same thing that happened to him last year...

now all of those mario and steve smith haters - wheres your loyalty argument now?
</p>


TuckYou has officially run out of things to complain about.</p>




it is kind of ******y of the GIants to not even make contact... for a second year in a row
</p>


lol....Giants have bigger issues and Chase is not the answer to any of them!!! The best he's going to get is league min from us....let him use his SB heroics to get him a bigger payday somewhere else.....I love the guy but thinking with your heart instead of your head is not how you run a football team.....</p>

im not saying that its ******y that they aren't signing him, im saying its ******y to not even contact him with a courtesy call. THey left him high and dry last year. He had to call them a week into camp and ask if they had any intereted in talking to him....

I duno maybe i'm off base but the guy was just a big part of turning our season around which lead to a ring. Im saying to not even contact him? I mean i know its a business but that doesn't mean you can't give the guy a heads up to your thinking.


Do any teams call the guys they don't want?

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 11:07 AM
We need a future LB so someone like Hightower in the draft and put Herzlich on the outside move Kiwi back to DE because he is so much more productive there trade Osi would make a lot of sense and you'll save a lot more money.
Then you're taking away from your pass rushing depth, plus Osi is better than Kiwi -- 9 sacks in 9 games plust multiple ball strips? Osi is better than Kiwi.

How much could Blackburn possibly cost them? He was signed off the street at the end of the season. There is NO reason not to sign Blackburn, and quite frankly, he played better this season than I can ever remember Goff playing.

+1 on this. When has Goff EVER made a play as big as that downfield INT blackburn had? Why is Goff coinsidered such a better candidate at MLB than Blackburn?

Even if you don't think Blackburn is the future "stud" MLB for the team, how can you not see the value in a guy that can be your top back-up at all three LBer spots AND be a top notch ST player?

Are guys like Jones, Goff and Paysinger THAT MUCH better prospects? Especially since it's not like Blackburn is going to going to call for alot of money.

Also, one reason why Blackburn played so well for us at MLB is b/c that's actually his natural position, he just hasn't played it b/c he's been so busy bailing us out filling in at the OLB spots b/c we were so devoid of talent there.

This, this and more of this! WHO? Who do we have on the roster at LB that is more valued than Chase? He can play all 3 LB positions.....and KNOWS the defensive play calls. Goff is better? Maybe faster, yes. I will be honest, the only rookie that inmpressed me was JWil. Jones stunk, Herzlich got seriously injured after one game, and Paysinger.......I forgot he was on the roster. But these guys are going to dominate next year.....right.

Boley

FBomb
03-02-2012, 11:09 AM
While teammates Terrell Thomas and Dominik Hixon have contract negotiations going on with Big Blue, Chase has not heard from the Giants at all.</P>



The requests continue to flow in, one after another as if there’s not enough of Chase Blackburn to go around.“It’s been ridiculous, actually,’’ Richard Katz, Blackburn’s agent, told The Post Thursday. “He’s a pretty popular guy. His tale is an incredible tale.’’The question is whether that tale ended with Blackburn starting at middle linebacker for the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI or continues into the 2012 season. The NFL free-agency signing period begins March 13 and the Giants haven’t even contacted Katz, haven’t expressed any interest in re-signing Blackburn, who was one of a handful of players who shined brightest of all during the improbable Super Bowl run.</P>


<U><FONT color=#810081>http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/blackburn_may_not_return_to_giants_uMPQEqsxGjoDzGA OyLznaM</FONT></U></P>


I think this is unfair to Chase, considering what he did for us, but it is a business, and we can definitely upgade the position. </P>


Herzlich, Jones and possible Goff if healthy and resigned are going to battle it out. Maybe they get s stud MLB in the draft like Dont'a Hightower.</P>




same thing that happened to him last year...

now all of those mario and steve smith haters - wheres your loyalty argument now?
</P>


TuckYou has officially run out of things to complain about.</P>




it is kind of ******y of the GIants to not even make contact... for a second year in a row
</P>


lol....Giants have bigger issues and Chase is not the answer to any of them!!! The best he's going to get is league min from us....let him use his SB heroics to get him a bigger payday somewhere else.....I love the guy but thinking with your heart instead of your head is not how you run a football team.....</P>




im not saying that its ******y that they aren't signing him, im saying its ******y to not even contact him with a courtesy call. THey left him high and dry last year. He had to call them a week into camp and ask if they had any intereted in talking to him....

I duno maybe i'm off base but the guy was just a big part of turning our season around which lead to a ring. Im saying to not even contact him? I mean i know its a business but that doesn't mean you can't give the guy a heads up to your thinking.
</P>


I think most of this is just posturing by Chase's agent, nothing more. Trying to force the Giants to make a decision before they know where they stand financially. I doubt they are ignoring him.....they don't even know what the cap situation is. This is all an over reaction.</P>

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 11:09 AM
While teammates Terrell Thomas and Dominik Hixon have contract negotiations going on with Big Blue, Chase has not heard from the Giants at all.</p>



The requests continue to flow in, one after another as if there’s not enough of Chase Blackburn to go around.“It’s been ridiculous, actually,’’ Richard Katz, Blackburn’s agent, told The Post Thursday. “He’s a pretty popular guy. His tale is an incredible tale.’’The question is whether that tale ended with Blackburn starting at middle linebacker for the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI or continues into the 2012 season. The NFL free-agency signing period begins March 13 and the Giants haven’t even contacted Katz, haven’t expressed any interest in re-signing Blackburn, who was one of a handful of players who shined brightest of all during the improbable Super Bowl run.</p>


<u><font color="#810081">http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/blackburn_may_not_return_to_giants_uMPQEqsxGjoDzGA OyLznaM</font></u></p>


I think this is unfair to Chase, considering what he did for us, but it is a business, and we can definitely upgade the position. </p>


Herzlich, Jones and possible Goff if healthy and resigned are going to battle it out. Maybe they get s stud MLB in the draft like Dont'a Hightower.</p>




same thing that happened to him last year...

now all of those mario and steve smith haters - wheres your loyalty argument now?
</p>


TuckYou has officially run out of things to complain about.</p>




it is kind of ******y of the GIants to not even make contact... for a second year in a row
</p>


lol....Giants have bigger issues and Chase is not the answer to any of them!!! The best he's going to get is league min from us....let him use his SB heroics to get him a bigger payday somewhere else.....I love the guy but thinking with your heart instead of your head is not how you run a football team.....</p>

im not saying that its ******y that they aren't signing him, im saying its ******y to not even contact him with a courtesy call. THey left him high and dry last year. He had to call them a week into camp and ask if they had any intereted in talking to him....

I duno maybe i'm off base but the guy was just a big part of turning our season around which lead to a ring. Im saying to not even contact him? I mean i know its a business but that doesn't mean you can't give the guy a heads up to your thinking.


Do any teams call the guys they don't want?


I would imagine that teams typically do have at least a dialogue with players or their agents.Especially when its with a guy that sbeen a lifetime Giant, major part in winning a superbowl, and you know he wants to return.

T-Murda84
03-02-2012, 11:13 AM
Blackburn deserves to be back in a Giants uniform....the man made plays all year for us after getting off the couch midway through the season. Doesnt that show the work ethic and passion, that u look for in a football player? Chase Blackburn bleeds blue...and loves to be a Giant....Thats Giants Pride, but I guess Jerry Reese doesnt know anything about that. Reese is in love with workout warriors with a god given physique....he doesnt seem to care about the guys that play with intensity and passion who doesnt have quite all the measureables.

Is Reese still banking on Clint Sintim becoming a beast? I'll take Blackburn over Greg Jones, Mark Herzlich, Clint Sintim and maybe even Goff. I like Goff in run support, but Blackburn always seem to be in the right place at the right time in coverage.

RoanokeFan
03-02-2012, 11:15 AM
While teammates Terrell Thomas and Dominik Hixon have contract negotiations going on with Big Blue, Chase has not heard from the Giants at all.</p>



The requests continue to flow in, one after another as if there’s not enough of Chase Blackburn to go around.“It’s been ridiculous, actually,’’ Richard Katz, Blackburn’s agent, told The Post Thursday. “He’s a pretty popular guy. His tale is an incredible tale.’’The question is whether that tale ended with Blackburn starting at middle linebacker for the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI or continues into the 2012 season. The NFL free-agency signing period begins March 13 and the Giants haven’t even contacted Katz, haven’t expressed any interest in re-signing Blackburn, who was one of a handful of players who shined brightest of all during the improbable Super Bowl run.</p>


<u><font color="#810081">http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/blackburn_may_not_return_to_giants_uMPQEqsxGjoDzGA OyLznaM</font></u></p>


I think this is unfair to Chase, considering what he did for us, but it is a business, and we can definitely upgade the position. </p>


Herzlich, Jones and possible Goff if healthy and resigned are going to battle it out. Maybe they get s stud MLB in the draft like Dont'a Hightower.</p>




same thing that happened to him last year...

now all of those mario and steve smith haters - wheres your loyalty argument now?
</p>


TuckYou has officially run out of things to complain about.</p>




it is kind of ******y of the GIants to not even make contact... for a second year in a row
</p>


lol....Giants have bigger issues and Chase is not the answer to any of them!!! The best he's going to get is league min from us....let him use his SB heroics to get him a bigger payday somewhere else.....I love the guy but thinking with your heart instead of your head is not how you run a football team.....</p>

im not saying that its ******y that they aren't signing him, im saying its ******y to not even contact him with a courtesy call. THey left him high and dry last year. He had to call them a week into camp and ask if they had any intereted in talking to him....

I duno maybe i'm off base but the guy was just a big part of turning our season around which lead to a ring. Im saying to not even contact him? I mean i know its a business but that doesn't mean you can't give the guy a heads up to your thinking.


Do any teams call the guys they don't want?


I would imagine that teams typically do have at least a dialogue with players or their agents.Especially when its with a guy that sbeen a lifetime Giant, major part in winning a superbowl, and you know he wants to return.


I've done a lot of hiring and firing in my lifetime and never once felt compelled to call to say "sorry, you're not good enough." I see your point, it's just something you don't see a lot in the business world. Today, I think they tell prospective employees if you don't hear by some future date, you didn't get the job.

TuckYou
03-02-2012, 11:16 AM
While teammates Terrell Thomas and Dominik Hixon have contract negotiations going on with Big Blue, Chase has not heard from the Giants at all.</P>



The requests continue to flow in, one after another as if there’s not enough of Chase Blackburn to go around.“It’s been ridiculous, actually,’’ Richard Katz, Blackburn’s agent, told The Post Thursday. “He’s a pretty popular guy. His tale is an incredible tale.’’The question is whether that tale ended with Blackburn starting at middle linebacker for the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI or continues into the 2012 season. The NFL free-agency signing period begins March 13 and the Giants haven’t even contacted Katz, haven’t expressed any interest in re-signing Blackburn, who was one of a handful of players who shined brightest of all during the improbable Super Bowl run.</P>


<U><FONT color=#810081>http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/blackburn_may_not_return_to_giants_uMPQEqsxGjoDzGA OyLznaM</FONT></U></P>


I think this is unfair to Chase, considering what he did for us, but it is a business, and we can definitely upgade the position. </P>


Herzlich, Jones and possible Goff if healthy and resigned are going to battle it out. Maybe they get s stud MLB in the draft like Dont'a Hightower.</P>




same thing that happened to him last year...

now all of those mario and steve smith haters - wheres your loyalty argument now?
</P>


TuckYou has officially run out of things to complain about.</P>


</P>


Huh? I dont get it. I actually want the Giants to resign him for depth, but understand if they dont. Who is complaining?</P>


</P>


That was my point. You're not complaining.[;)]</P>


</P>


Ahhh, thought you were being facetious like always. Ill still get my complaining in next time Perry sends 3 on a 3rd and long vs Brady, Rodgers, Brees or whoever...</P>

FBomb
03-02-2012, 11:16 AM
Blackburn deserves to be back in a Giants uniform....the man made plays all year for us after getting off the couch midway through the season. Doesnt that show the work ethic and passion, that u look for in a football player? Chase Blackburn bleeds blue...and loves to be a Giant....Thats Giants Pride, but I guess Jerry Reese doesnt know anything about that. Reese is in love with workout warriors with a god given physique....he doesnt seem to care about the guys that play with intensity and passion who doesnt have quite all the measureables. Is Reese still banking on Clint Sintim becoming a beast? I'll take Blackburn over Greg Jones, Mark Herzlich, Clint Sintim and maybe even Goff. I like Goff in run support, but Blackburn always seem to be in the right place at the right time in coverage.</P>


lol.......and so it begins.</P>


"REESE YOU STOOPID IMGRATE!!!!!"</P>


</P>

burier
03-02-2012, 11:26 AM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him.* But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 11:28 AM
Blackburn deserves to be back in a Giants uniform....the man made plays all year for us after getting off the couch midway through the season. Doesnt that show the work ethic and passion, that u look for in a football player? Chase Blackburn bleeds blue...and loves to be a Giant....Thats Giants Pride, but I guess Jerry Reese doesnt know anything about that. Reese is in love with workout warriors with a god given physique....he doesnt seem to care about the guys that play with intensity and passion who doesnt have quite all the measureables.

Is Reese still banking on Clint Sintim becoming a beast? I'll take Blackburn over Greg Jones, Mark Herzlich, Clint Sintim and maybe even Goff. I like Goff in run support, but Blackburn always seem to be in the right place at the right time in coverage.
Jerry Reese has two rings and has produced a team that has talent at EVERY position grouping. How many rings do you have?

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 11:29 AM
While teammates Terrell Thomas and Dominik Hixon have contract negotiations going on with Big Blue, Chase has not heard from the Giants at all.</p>



The requests continue to flow in, one after another as if there’s not enough of Chase Blackburn to go around.“It’s been ridiculous, actually,’’ Richard Katz, Blackburn’s agent, told The Post Thursday. “He’s a pretty popular guy. His tale is an incredible tale.’’The question is whether that tale ended with Blackburn starting at middle linebacker for the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI or continues into the 2012 season. The NFL free-agency signing period begins March 13 and the Giants haven’t even contacted Katz, haven’t expressed any interest in re-signing Blackburn, who was one of a handful of players who shined brightest of all during the improbable Super Bowl run.</p>


<u><font color="#810081">http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/blackburn_may_not_return_to_giants_uMPQEqsxGjoDzGA OyLznaM</font></u></p>


I think this is unfair to Chase, considering what he did for us, but it is a business, and we can definitely upgade the position. </p>


Herzlich, Jones and possible Goff if healthy and resigned are going to battle it out. Maybe they get s stud MLB in the draft like Dont'a Hightower.</p>




same thing that happened to him last year...

now all of those mario and steve smith haters - wheres your loyalty argument now?
</p>


TuckYou has officially run out of things to complain about.</p>




it is kind of ******y of the GIants to not even make contact... for a second year in a row
</p>


lol....Giants have bigger issues and Chase is not the answer to any of them!!! The best he's going to get is league min from us....let him use his SB heroics to get him a bigger payday somewhere else.....I love the guy but thinking with your heart instead of your head is not how you run a football team.....</p>

im not saying that its ******y that they aren't signing him, im saying its ******y to not even contact him with a courtesy call. THey left him high and dry last year. He had to call them a week into camp and ask if they had any intereted in talking to him....

I duno maybe i'm off base but the guy was just a big part of turning our season around which lead to a ring. Im saying to not even contact him? I mean i know its a business but that doesn't mean you can't give the guy a heads up to your thinking.


Do any teams call the guys they don't want?


I would imagine that teams typically do have at least a dialogue with players or their agents.Especially when its with a guy that sbeen a lifetime Giant, major part in winning a superbowl, and you know he wants to return.


I've done a lot of hiring and firing in my lifetime and never once felt compelled to call to say "sorry, you're not good enough." I see your point, it's just something you don't see a lot in the business world. Today, I think they tell prospective employees if you don't hear by some future date, you didn't get the job.


I think thats a bit different of scenerio than the business of the NFL

burier
03-02-2012, 11:31 AM
Blackburn deserves to be back in a Giants uniform....the man made plays all year for us after getting off the couch midway through the season. Doesnt that show the work ethic and passion, that u look for in a football player? Chase Blackburn bleeds blue...and loves to be a Giant....Thats Giants Pride, but I guess Jerry Reese doesnt know anything about that. Reese is in love with workout warriors with a god given physique....he doesnt seem to care about the guys that play with intensity and passion who doesnt have quite all the measureables.

Is Reese still banking on Clint Sintim becoming a beast? I'll take Blackburn over Greg Jones, Mark Herzlich, Clint Sintim and maybe even Goff. I like Goff in run support, but Blackburn always seem to be in the right place at the right time in coverage.
Jerry Reese has two rings and has produced a team that has talent at EVERY position grouping. How many rings do you have?


We have very little talent at linebacker.

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 11:32 AM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him. But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

out of the 9 games he played this year, he started in 8 of them. Including during the superbowl run - i think we can all feel okay about calling him the starter this year.

Yes, actually i'd say he had a great 9 games for us. HE def played like a legit NFL starter.

We had plenty of options of guys that were here since preseason for MLB. He got signed due to injury and won the starting spot within a week.

Reggie Torbor didn't play middle linebacker

SweetZombieJesus
03-02-2012, 11:33 AM
I'm one of the first to say we should be clearing out the dead wood at LB and we need to get young. But Blackburn should at least have a spot in training camp to make the team. What more can he do?

GGTM_1977
03-02-2012, 11:39 AM
I love the people that use the argument that he is old.....and we need to get young. Since when is 28 old for a LB? We aren't talking about the short career span of a RB...

burier
03-02-2012, 11:39 AM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him.* But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

out of the 9 games he played this year, he started in 8 of them. Including during the superbowl run - i think we can all feel okay about calling him the starter this year.

Yes, actually i'd say he had a great 9 games for us. HE def played like a legit NFL starter.

We had plenty of options of guys that were here since preseason for MLB. He got signed due to injury and won the starting spot within a week.

Reggie Torbor didn't play middle linebacker


ok so we have different ideas of what a starter is. Because to me the starter is the Guy on your roster who you WANT to start Vs a backup who was on the bench (Or couch) who is starting because the starter got hurt and you dont have any better options.

And since you're such a big Chase supporter I'd thought you'd know that the guy can actually play all three linebacker spots...meaning he could have suplanted any of those guys if he was good enough.

Edit: and he only played in 5 of 16 regular season games so lets not mince words.

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 11:41 AM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him. But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

out of the 9 games he played this year, he started in 8 of them. Including during the superbowl run - i think we can all feel okay about calling him the starter this year.

Yes, actually i'd say he had a great 9 games for us. HE def played like a legit NFL starter.

We had plenty of options of guys that were here since preseason for MLB. He got signed due to injury and won the starting spot within a week.

Reggie Torbor didn't play middle linebacker


ok so we have different ideas of what a starter is. Because to me the starter is the Guy on your roster who you WANT to start Vs a backup who was on the bench (Or couch) who is starting because the starter got hurt and you dont have any better options.

And since you're such a big Chase supporter I'd thought you'd know that the guy can actually play all three linebacker spots...meaning he could have suplanted any of those guys if he was good enough.

Starter is the guy who started because he earned the position, which is what happened wtih Blackburn

Do you not consider Aaron Ross a starter because T2 went down?

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 11:43 AM
I love the people that use the argument that he is old.....and we need to get young. Since when is 28 old for a LB? We aren't talking about the short career span of a RB...


this board has an obsession about "old"

then they can't wrap their heads around when guys leave on rookie contract...

I remember before the 07 season I wanted to sign Takeo Spikes. And i was like the only person because he was "too old".

Not for nothing the guy is still a starter in the NFL and has had some LEGIT seasons in the NFL

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 11:44 AM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him. But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

out of the 9 games he played this year, he started in 8 of them. Including during the superbowl run - i think we can all feel okay about calling him the starter this year.

Yes, actually i'd say he had a great 9 games for us. HE def played like a legit NFL starter.

We had plenty of options of guys that were here since preseason for MLB. He got signed due to injury and won the starting spot within a week.

Reggie Torbor didn't play middle linebacker


ok so we have different ideas of what a starter is. Because to me the starter is the Guy on your roster who you WANT to start Vs a backup who was on the bench (Or couch) who is starting because the starter got hurt and you dont have any better options.

And since you're such a big Chase supporter I'd thought you'd know that the guy can actually play all three linebacker spots...meaning he could have suplanted any of those guys if he was good enough.

Edit: and he only played in 5 of 16 regular season games so lets not mince words.

he was only ON the tema for 5 regular season games and 4 playoff games...

does it mean less to you that he was starting for us on the playoff run to win a superbowl? It should mean more

RoanokeFan
03-02-2012, 11:44 AM
I'm one of the first to say we should be clearing out the dead wood at LB and we need to get young. But Blackburn should at least have a spot in training camp to make the team. What more can he do?



I do wish he'd get a chance to compete at camp.

Kruunch
03-02-2012, 11:45 AM
I love Chase Blackburn but he's the kind of guy who has no measurables but shows up big when needed.

Anyone working him out would have a hard time giving him a Vet minimum contract.

The Giants have a smart FO so I'll defer to their judgment but I'd have a hard time selling Blackburn as anything but a "thinking with my heart" choice in 2012.

Saddens me to say it but there it is.

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 11:45 AM
I'm one of the first to say we should be clearing out the dead wood at LB and we need to get young. But Blackburn should at least have a spot in training camp to make the team. What more can he do?



I do wish he'd get a chance to compete at camp.


personally i think the Giants know that somebody is going to give him something that we aren't going to be willing to give.

Kruunch
03-02-2012, 11:47 AM
I'm one of the first to say we should be clearing out the dead wood at LB and we need to get young.* But Blackburn should at least have a spot in training camp to make the team.* What more can he do?



I do wish he'd get a chance to compete at camp.


Oh i think he'll definitely get a shot to compete short of another team giving him some money.

I don't see the Giants matching anything higher then the vet minimum for Chase.

burier
03-02-2012, 11:48 AM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him.* But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

out of the 9 games he played this year, he started in 8 of them. Including during the superbowl run - i think we can all feel okay about calling him the starter this year.

Yes, actually i'd say he had a great 9 games for us. HE def played like a legit NFL starter.

We had plenty of options of guys that were here since preseason for MLB. He got signed due to injury and won the starting spot within a week.

Reggie Torbor didn't play middle linebacker


ok so we have different ideas of what a starter is. Because to me the starter is the Guy on your roster who you WANT to start Vs a backup who was on the bench (Or couch) who is starting because the starter got hurt and you dont have any better options.

And since you're such a big Chase supporter I'd thought you'd know that the guy can actually play all three linebacker spots...meaning he could have suplanted any of those guys if he was good enough.

Starter is the guy who started because he earned the position, which is what happened wtih Blackburn

Do you not consider Aaron Ross a starter because T2 went down?



He technically startED. So from a physical stanpoint if you start then you can be called a starter. But if a guy gets healthy and you're automatically going back to the bench....I'm gonna say you're doing your job as the backup which is fill in for the starter when the starer can't go.

If Carr plays a game for Eli I'm gonna say we played with our backup QB.

But I find it interesting that use T2 and Ross as an example because Ross was the 1st round draft choice and T2 got that job due to Ross being hurt.

So better question would be..do/did I consider T2 to be a backup or starter and I'd say at the time I'd consider him a backup but then earned the job as the starer....Meaning that Ross couldn't get his job back once he got healthy.

burier
03-02-2012, 11:56 AM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him.* But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

out of the 9 games he played this year, he started in 8 of them. Including during the superbowl run - i think we can all feel okay about calling him the starter this year.

Yes, actually i'd say he had a great 9 games for us. HE def played like a legit NFL starter.

We had plenty of options of guys that were here since preseason for MLB. He got signed due to injury and won the starting spot within a week.

Reggie Torbor didn't play middle linebacker


ok so we have different ideas of what a starter is. Because to me the starter is the Guy on your roster who you WANT to start Vs a backup who was on the bench (Or couch) who is starting because the starter got hurt and you dont have any better options.

And since you're such a big Chase supporter I'd thought you'd know that the guy can actually play all three linebacker spots...meaning he could have suplanted any of those guys if he was good enough.

Edit: and he only played in 5 of 16 regular season games so lets not mince words.

he was only ON the tema for 5 regular season games and 4 playoff games...

does it mean less to you that he was starting for us on the playoff run to win a superbowl? It should mean more


The point is you were trying to correct me when I said the guy wasn't on the team at the halfway point by saying he played in 9 games. I don't like games of semantics.

And honestly if I'm JR I've already put the Superbowl run out of my mind.

Look what fixating on the SB has done to us fans. We think players like Chase Blackburn should start which is an asinine suggestion for a defending championship team when you really think about it.

You have to get better or you're going to get eaten alive. I say that we won a SB with some serious weaknesses.

We got a few bounces.

You say that we got lucky against San Fran but then you say we should keep the same subpar players??

How lucky do you think we are?

How long before our luck runs out?

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 11:57 AM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him. But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

out of the 9 games he played this year, he started in 8 of them. Including during the superbowl run - i think we can all feel okay about calling him the starter this year.

Yes, actually i'd say he had a great 9 games for us. HE def played like a legit NFL starter.

We had plenty of options of guys that were here since preseason for MLB. He got signed due to injury and won the starting spot within a week.

Reggie Torbor didn't play middle linebacker


ok so we have different ideas of what a starter is. Because to me the starter is the Guy on your roster who you WANT to start Vs a backup who was on the bench (Or couch) who is starting because the starter got hurt and you dont have any better options.

And since you're such a big Chase supporter I'd thought you'd know that the guy can actually play all three linebacker spots...meaning he could have suplanted any of those guys if he was good enough.

Starter is the guy who started because he earned the position, which is what happened wtih Blackburn

Do you not consider Aaron Ross a starter because T2 went down?



He technically startED. So from a physical stanpoint if you start then you can be called a starter. But if a guy gets healthy and you're automatically going back to the bench....I'm gonna say you're doing your job as the backup which is fill in for the starter when the starer can't go.

If Carr plays a game for Eli I'm gonna say we played with our backup QB.

But I find it interesting that use T2 and Ross as an example because Ross was the 1st round draft choice and T2 got that job due to Ross being hurt.

So better question would be..do/did I consider T2 to be a backup or starter and I'd say at the time I'd consider him a backup but then earned the job as the starer....Meaning that Ross couldn't get his job back once he got healthy.

what guy could of gotten healthy to take Chase out of the starting rotation? What player got hurt in between the Green Bay to Dallas game? If anything the injury argument hurts your point cuz Boley was out for the GB game and came back for the Dallas game, the same game that Blackburn got his first start.

Aaron Ross played 15 games in 2010 and started 1 of them. Terrell Thomas started every game.

You make no sense. You basically contradict your whole point about Chase not being a starter with that response. Your trying to bring up events in 2009 to justify who was suppose to be the starter at corner back for THIS year in 2011.

So just to clarify because it was confusing, you considered TErrell Thomas AND Aaron Ross both starters?

And if Chase was still under contract he def would of went into camp as the starting MLB. Thats something he would EARNED by his play this year

TuckYou
03-02-2012, 12:00 PM
Blackburn deserves to be back in a Giants uniform....the man made plays all year for us after getting off the couch midway through the season. Doesnt that show the work ethic and passion, that u look for in a football player? Chase Blackburn bleeds blue...and loves to be a Giant....Thats Giants Pride, but I guess Jerry Reese doesnt know anything about that. Reese is in love with workout warriors with a god given physique....he doesnt seem to care about the guys that play with intensity and passion who doesnt have quite all the measureables. Is Reese still banking on Clint Sintim becoming a beast? I'll take Blackburn over Greg Jones, Mark Herzlich, Clint Sintim and maybe even Goff. I like Goff in run support, but Blackburn always seem to be in the right place at the right time in coverage.
Jerry Reese has two rings and has produced a team that has talent at EVERY position grouping. How many rings do you have?
We have very little talent at linebacker.</P>


I posted in another thread our LBs since 1986. The last impact LBs we drafted were Armstead andin 2000, Brandon Short and Dhani Jones. Before and After? Good God the list is awful back to 86 with Peppers. Sintim, Kehl, Goff, Torbor, Wilkerson, Dillard, Tracy, Greison, Mallard, Monk... We just absolutely suck at picking up LBs and dont value them high in drafts for some reason. </P>

ShockeyShow
03-02-2012, 12:03 PM
The FO is going to do what's best for both parties. He will have the opportunity to come back and compete if someone else doesn't sign him. I hope someone does though, FOR HIS BENEFIT. Great guy, and he had a great season for us.

Take emotion out of the equation....do you think he's going to progress from this point? Maybe...maybe not. What we do have, are guys that we have or can acquire, that they see more upside with.

We are in the business of winning ladies and gentlemen, not making one of our players a fan-favorite.

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 12:06 PM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him. But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

out of the 9 games he played this year, he started in 8 of them. Including during the superbowl run - i think we can all feel okay about calling him the starter this year.

Yes, actually i'd say he had a great 9 games for us. HE def played like a legit NFL starter.

We had plenty of options of guys that were here since preseason for MLB. He got signed due to injury and won the starting spot within a week.

Reggie Torbor didn't play middle linebacker


ok so we have different ideas of what a starter is. Because to me the starter is the Guy on your roster who you WANT to start Vs a backup who was on the bench (Or couch) who is starting because the starter got hurt and you dont have any better options.

And since you're such a big Chase supporter I'd thought you'd know that the guy can actually play all three linebacker spots...meaning he could have suplanted any of those guys if he was good enough.

Edit: and he only played in 5 of 16 regular season games so lets not mince words.

he was only ON the tema for 5 regular season games and 4 playoff games...

does it mean less to you that he was starting for us on the playoff run to win a superbowl? It should mean more


The point is you were trying to correct me when I said the guy wasn't on the team at the halfway point by saying he played in 9 games. I don't like games of semantics.

And honestly if I'm JR I've already put the Superbowl run out of my mind.

Look what fixating on the SB has done to us fans. We think players like Chase Blackburn should start which is an asinine suggestion for a defending championship team when you really think about it.

You have to get better or you're going to get eaten alive. I say that we won a SB with some serious weaknesses.

We got a few bounces.

You say that we got lucky against San Fran but then you say we should keep the same subpar players??

How lucky do you think we are?

How long before our luck runs out?

I said that didn't matter... i said he got signed and took the start spot immediatly because of his play.

Its not semantics. The guy started 9 out of the 8 games he played. We're talking about his worth to the team. So far you've tried to tell me that mentioning who started for us in the playoffs is a game and that even thoug they TECHNICALLY was in the starting role he wasn't the starter.

Whose playing games?

Absolutely we got a lucky break. It happens in football. The insane thing to say is that becuase we got a lucky break in a game that we should cut players.

We had more things go against us this season than we had go FOR us. Luck? Besides that 49ers game, which still was an evenly played game, we dominated pretty much every other game in crunch time. Thats not luck. Stop worrying about weeks 1 through 7 and use that as a measuring stick for how good a team is.

How many times does it have to be shown that its about finishing, not starting.

burier
03-02-2012, 12:08 PM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him.* But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

out of the 9 games he played this year, he started in 8 of them. Including during the superbowl run - i think we can all feel okay about calling him the starter this year.

Yes, actually i'd say he had a great 9 games for us. HE def played like a legit NFL starter.

We had plenty of options of guys that were here since preseason for MLB. He got signed due to injury and won the starting spot within a week.

Reggie Torbor didn't play middle linebacker


ok so we have different ideas of what a starter is. Because to me the starter is the Guy on your roster who you WANT to start Vs a backup who was on the bench (Or couch) who is starting because the starter got hurt and you dont have any better options.

And since you're such a big Chase supporter I'd thought you'd know that the guy can actually play all three linebacker spots...meaning he could have suplanted any of those guys if he was good enough.

Starter is the guy who started because he earned the position, which is what happened wtih Blackburn

Do you not consider Aaron Ross a starter because T2 went down?



He technically startED. So from a physical stanpoint if you start then you can be called a starter. But if a guy gets healthy and you're automatically going back to the bench....I'm gonna say you're doing your job as the backup which is fill in for the starter when the starer can't go.

If Carr plays a game for Eli I'm gonna say we played with our backup QB.

But I find it interesting that use T2 and Ross as an example because Ross was the 1st round draft choice and T2 got that job due to Ross being hurt.

So better question would be..do/did I consider T2 to be a backup or starter and I'd say at the time I'd consider him a backup but then earned the job as the starer....Meaning that Ross couldn't get his job back once he got healthy.

what guy could of gotten healthy to take Chase out of the starting rotation? What player got hurt in between the Green Bay to Dallas game? If anything the injury argument hurts your point cuz Boley was out for the GB game and came back for the Dallas game, the same game that Blackburn got his first start.

Aaron Ross played 15 games in 2010 and started 1 of them. Terrell Thomas started every game.

You make no sense. You basically contradict your whole point about Chase not being a starter with that response. Your trying to bring up events in 2009 to justify who was suppose to be the starter at corner back for THIS year in 2011.

So just to clarify because it was confusing, you considered TErrell Thomas AND Aaron Ross both starters?

And if Chase was still under contract he def would of went into camp as the starting MLB. Thats something he would EARNED by his play this year


I'm not saying Chase didn't earn his playing time. Backups earn that job just like the Starter earns that job.

But the man was signed in week what..11 or something like that due to injury.

There's really nothing else to say on that subject. If that doesn't make sense to you well..Im not qualified to help you in that case.

And yes at one point Ross was the Starter and he lost his job to T2. I mean...this is not unheard of...ummm.

Wait I'll use a more mainstream example.

Drew Bledsoe was the starting QB for the New England Patriots and then he got hurt. So he was replaced by the backup QB Tom Brady....Backup...quarterback.

Bledsoe became able to play again but did not start because he lost his job. Tom Brady earned the starting spot. He transitioned from backup to starter.

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 12:12 PM
Blackburn deserves to be back in a Giants uniform....the man made plays all year for us after getting off the couch midway through the season. Doesnt that show the work ethic and passion, that u look for in a football player? Chase Blackburn bleeds blue...and loves to be a Giant....Thats Giants Pride, but I guess Jerry Reese doesnt know anything about that. Reese is in love with workout warriors with a god given physique....he doesnt seem to care about the guys that play with intensity and passion who doesnt have quite all the measureables. Is Reese still banking on Clint Sintim becoming a beast? I'll take Blackburn over Greg Jones, Mark Herzlich, Clint Sintim and maybe even Goff. I like Goff in run support, but Blackburn always seem to be in the right place at the right time in coverage.
Jerry Reese has two rings and has produced a team that has talent at EVERY position grouping. How many rings do you have?
We have very little talent at linebacker.</p>


I posted in another thread our LBs since 1986. The last impact LBs we drafted were Armstead andin 2000, Brandon Short and Dhani Jones. Before and After? Good God the list is awful back to 86 with Peppers. Sintim, Kehl, Goff, Torbor, Wilkerson, Dillard, Tracy, Greison, Mallard, Monk... We just absolutely suck at picking up LBs and dont value them high in drafts for some reason. </p>

because we run a 4-3 now and not a 3-4. The focus isn't on the linebackers. In fact we are more worried about having a 3rd pass rusher and a backup DT. THATS where the linebacker money is at...

Or i should say MIDDLE line backer. And we honestly haven't been as bad with it as you would think. Most of those guys are mid-late picks. Writing Goff off at this point is premature by you. We have gone the route of free agency to get the talent at LBer. After Armstead we had Barrow and Pierce. Then we got Boley and was able to move Kiwi to OLB. We then just had a draft of young talent that played great for us this year...

personally I like the direction we are going with linebackers. We have different guys that do different things. We have alot of rotation and can matchup better in the passing game which was the killer for us in past year defensively

burier
03-02-2012, 12:15 PM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him.* But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

out of the 9 games he played this year, he started in 8 of them. Including during the superbowl run - i think we can all feel okay about calling him the starter this year.

Yes, actually i'd say he had a great 9 games for us. HE def played like a legit NFL starter.

We had plenty of options of guys that were here since preseason for MLB. He got signed due to injury and won the starting spot within a week.

Reggie Torbor didn't play middle linebacker


ok so we have different ideas of what a starter is. Because to me the starter is the Guy on your roster who you WANT to start Vs a backup who was on the bench (Or couch) who is starting because the starter got hurt and you dont have any better options.

And since you're such a big Chase supporter I'd thought you'd know that the guy can actually play all three linebacker spots...meaning he could have suplanted any of those guys if he was good enough.

Edit: and he only played in 5 of 16 regular season games so lets not mince words.

he was only ON the tema for 5 regular season games and 4 playoff games...

does it mean less to you that he was starting for us on the playoff run to win a superbowl? It should mean more


The point is you were trying to correct me when I said the guy wasn't on the team at the halfway point by saying he played in 9 games. I don't like games of semantics.

And honestly if I'm JR I've already put the Superbowl run out of my mind.

Look what fixating on the SB has done to us fans. We think players like Chase Blackburn should start which is an asinine suggestion for a defending championship team when you really think about it.

You have to get better or you're going to get eaten alive. I say that we won a SB with some serious weaknesses.

We got a few bounces.

You say that we got lucky against San Fran but then you say we should keep the same subpar players??

How lucky do you think we are?

How long before our luck runs out?

I said that didn't matter... i said he got signed and took the start spot immediatly because of his play.

Its not semantics. The guy started 9 out of the 8 games he played.* We're talking about his worth to the team.* So far you've tried to tell me that mentioning who started for us in the playoffs is a game and that even thoug they TECHNICALLY was in the starting role he wasn't the starter.

Whose playing games?

Absolutely we got a lucky break. It happens in football. The insane thing to say is that becuase we got a lucky break in a game that we should cut players.*

We had more things go against us this season than we had go FOR us.* Luck? Besides that 49ers game, which still was an evenly played game, we dominated pretty much every other game in crunch time. Thats not luck. Stop worrying about weeks 1 through 7 and use that as a measuring stick for how good a team is.

How many times does it have to be shown that its about finishing, not starting.


That 49ers game was in the playoffs! According you we got lucky. If that doesn't tell you that we need to be trying to get better than nothing will.

To take it further...even if we dominated everyone in the playoffs my attitude would still be to get better.

I recognize that a weakness on our team is linebacker. It needs to be improved. Keeping marginal players because you thin they're nice guys is how you become the Cleveland Browns.

And I'm not gonna pretend that we didn't finish 9-7 just because we won the Superbowl.

Most years 9-7 will not win the east and there for is unacceptable production. If we don't make our team better we could go 9-7 again and not have chance to make a run in the playoffs because we'll be too busy watching it on TV.

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 12:15 PM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him. But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

out of the 9 games he played this year, he started in 8 of them. Including during the superbowl run - i think we can all feel okay about calling him the starter this year.

Yes, actually i'd say he had a great 9 games for us. HE def played like a legit NFL starter.

We had plenty of options of guys that were here since preseason for MLB. He got signed due to injury and won the starting spot within a week.

Reggie Torbor didn't play middle linebacker


ok so we have different ideas of what a starter is. Because to me the starter is the Guy on your roster who you WANT to start Vs a backup who was on the bench (Or couch) who is starting because the starter got hurt and you dont have any better options.

And since you're such a big Chase supporter I'd thought you'd know that the guy can actually play all three linebacker spots...meaning he could have suplanted any of those guys if he was good enough.

Starter is the guy who started because he earned the position, which is what happened wtih Blackburn

Do you not consider Aaron Ross a starter because T2 went down?



He technically startED. So from a physical stanpoint if you start then you can be called a starter. But if a guy gets healthy and you're automatically going back to the bench....I'm gonna say you're doing your job as the backup which is fill in for the starter when the starer can't go.

If Carr plays a game for Eli I'm gonna say we played with our backup QB.

But I find it interesting that use T2 and Ross as an example because Ross was the 1st round draft choice and T2 got that job due to Ross being hurt.

So better question would be..do/did I consider T2 to be a backup or starter and I'd say at the time I'd consider him a backup but then earned the job as the starer....Meaning that Ross couldn't get his job back once he got healthy.

what guy could of gotten healthy to take Chase out of the starting rotation? What player got hurt in between the Green Bay to Dallas game? If anything the injury argument hurts your point cuz Boley was out for the GB game and came back for the Dallas game, the same game that Blackburn got his first start.

Aaron Ross played 15 games in 2010 and started 1 of them. Terrell Thomas started every game.

You make no sense. You basically contradict your whole point about Chase not being a starter with that response. Your trying to bring up events in 2009 to justify who was suppose to be the starter at corner back for THIS year in 2011.

So just to clarify because it was confusing, you considered TErrell Thomas AND Aaron Ross both starters?

And if Chase was still under contract he def would of went into camp as the starting MLB. Thats something he would EARNED by his play this year


I'm not saying Chase didn't earn his playing time. Backups earn that job just like the Starter earns that job.

But the man was signed in week what..11 or something like that due to injury.

There's really nothing else to say on that subject. If that doesn't make sense to you well..Im not qualified to help you in that case.

And yes at one point Ross was the Starter and he lost his job to T2. I mean...this is not unheard of...ummm.

Wait I'll use a more mainstream example.

Drew Bledsoe was the starting QB for the New England Patriots and then he got hurt. So he was replaced by the backup QB Tom Brady....Backup...quarterback.

Bledsoe became able to play again but did not start because he lost his job. Tom Brady earned the starting spot. He transitioned from backup to starter.

thats not what i said.. if we were going into this season with the same LBers last year, i'm not saying not only did Chase earn playing time, he would of earned going into camp as the STARTER.

Obviously it would of been his job to fight and keep it.

Boley was injured... he was an OLB. Chase came in as a MLB and won the job evne when Boley came back. Theres a difference between getting a chance due to injury and EARNING the spot due to play.

LOL your Brady example is the same thing that happened to Chase Blackburn. Your really not making any sense

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 12:18 PM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him. But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

out of the 9 games he played this year, he started in 8 of them. Including during the superbowl run - i think we can all feel okay about calling him the starter this year.

Yes, actually i'd say he had a great 9 games for us. HE def played like a legit NFL starter.

We had plenty of options of guys that were here since preseason for MLB. He got signed due to injury and won the starting spot within a week.

Reggie Torbor didn't play middle linebacker


ok so we have different ideas of what a starter is. Because to me the starter is the Guy on your roster who you WANT to start Vs a backup who was on the bench (Or couch) who is starting because the starter got hurt and you dont have any better options.

And since you're such a big Chase supporter I'd thought you'd know that the guy can actually play all three linebacker spots...meaning he could have suplanted any of those guys if he was good enough.

Edit: and he only played in 5 of 16 regular season games so lets not mince words.

he was only ON the tema for 5 regular season games and 4 playoff games...

does it mean less to you that he was starting for us on the playoff run to win a superbowl? It should mean more


The point is you were trying to correct me when I said the guy wasn't on the team at the halfway point by saying he played in 9 games. I don't like games of semantics.

And honestly if I'm JR I've already put the Superbowl run out of my mind.

Look what fixating on the SB has done to us fans. We think players like Chase Blackburn should start which is an asinine suggestion for a defending championship team when you really think about it.

You have to get better or you're going to get eaten alive. I say that we won a SB with some serious weaknesses.

We got a few bounces.

You say that we got lucky against San Fran but then you say we should keep the same subpar players??

How lucky do you think we are?

How long before our luck runs out?

I said that didn't matter... i said he got signed and took the start spot immediatly because of his play.

Its not semantics. The guy started 9 out of the 8 games he played. We're talking about his worth to the team. So far you've tried to tell me that mentioning who started for us in the playoffs is a game and that even thoug they TECHNICALLY was in the starting role he wasn't the starter.

Whose playing games?

Absolutely we got a lucky break. It happens in football. The insane thing to say is that becuase we got a lucky break in a game that we should cut players.

We had more things go against us this season than we had go FOR us. Luck? Besides that 49ers game, which still was an evenly played game, we dominated pretty much every other game in crunch time. Thats not luck. Stop worrying about weeks 1 through 7 and use that as a measuring stick for how good a team is.

How many times does it have to be shown that its about finishing, not starting.


That 49ers game was in the playoffs! According you we got lucky. If that doesn't tell you that we need to be trying to get better than nothing will.

To take it further...even if dominated everyone in the playoffs my attitude would still be to get better.

I recognize that a weakness on our team is linebacker. It needs to be improved. Keeping marginal players because you thin they're nice guys is how you become the Cleveland Browns.

And I'm not gonna pretend that we didn't finish 9-7 just because we won the Superbowl.

Most years 9-7 will not win the east and there for is unacceptable production. If we don't make our team better we could go 9-7 again and not have chance to make a run in the playoffs because we'll be too busy watching it on TV.

we got a lucky bounce at the end of the game... but it was an evenly played game.

We had about 6 playoff games since the Jets game. So because we were able to get a lucky bounce in ONE game that overshadows dominating in 5 other playoff games?

Getting better is one thing, but don't tell me Blackburn wasn't the starter.

Who said to keep Blackburn? I think he'll get a deal above him. Do you have any idea waht your arguing anymore?

We were 9-7 because of a couple of bad breaks, wouldn't you agree? Why aren't you applying the same logic to that as you are baout the 49ers game.

GameTime
03-02-2012, 12:20 PM
its all very simple....</P>


Chase came off the couch and ready to play. he held up his end of the deal by being a positive force at MLB and in the locker room. IMO he deserves a shot at making the Giants roster next season or any other roster for that matter. </P>


</P>

Delicreep
03-02-2012, 12:21 PM
Much love for Chase here...isn't the absolutely most fair thing to do to let the guy see if anyone wants to pay him big, big money before offering him what will surely be a relatively modest contract?

burier
03-02-2012, 12:23 PM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him.* But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

out of the 9 games he played this year, he started in 8 of them. Including during the superbowl run - i think we can all feel okay about calling him the starter this year.

Yes, actually i'd say he had a great 9 games for us. HE def played like a legit NFL starter.

We had plenty of options of guys that were here since preseason for MLB. He got signed due to injury and won the starting spot within a week.

Reggie Torbor didn't play middle linebacker


ok so we have different ideas of what a starter is. Because to me the starter is the Guy on your roster who you WANT to start Vs a backup who was on the bench (Or couch) who is starting because the starter got hurt and you dont have any better options.

And since you're such a big Chase supporter I'd thought you'd know that the guy can actually play all three linebacker spots...meaning he could have suplanted any of those guys if he was good enough.

Starter is the guy who started because he earned the position, which is what happened wtih Blackburn

Do you not consider Aaron Ross a starter because T2 went down?



He technically startED. So from a physical stanpoint if you start then you can be called a starter. But if a guy gets healthy and you're automatically going back to the bench....I'm gonna say you're doing your job as the backup which is fill in for the starter when the starer can't go.

If Carr plays a game for Eli I'm gonna say we played with our backup QB.

But I find it interesting that use T2 and Ross as an example because Ross was the 1st round draft choice and T2 got that job due to Ross being hurt.

So better question would be..do/did I consider T2 to be a backup or starter and I'd say at the time I'd consider him a backup but then earned the job as the starer....Meaning that Ross couldn't get his job back once he got healthy.

what guy could of gotten healthy to take Chase out of the starting rotation? What player got hurt in between the Green Bay to Dallas game? If anything the injury argument hurts your point cuz Boley was out for the GB game and came back for the Dallas game, the same game that Blackburn got his first start.

Aaron Ross played 15 games in 2010 and started 1 of them. Terrell Thomas started every game.

You make no sense. You basically contradict your whole point about Chase not being a starter with that response. Your trying to bring up events in 2009 to justify who was suppose to be the starter at corner back for THIS year in 2011.

So just to clarify because it was confusing, you considered TErrell Thomas AND Aaron Ross both starters?

And if Chase was still under contract he def would of went into camp as the starting MLB. Thats something he would EARNED by his play this year


I'm not saying Chase didn't earn his playing time. Backups earn that job just like the Starter earns that job.

But the man was signed in week what..11 or something like that due to injury.

There's really nothing else to say on that subject. If that doesn't make sense to you well..Im not qualified to help you in that case.

And yes at one point Ross was the Starter and he lost his job to T2. I mean...this is not unheard of...ummm.

Wait I'll use a more mainstream example.

Drew Bledsoe was the starting QB for the New England Patriots and then he got hurt. So he was replaced by the backup QB Tom Brady....Backup...quarterback.

Bledsoe became able to play again but did not start because he lost his job. Tom Brady earned the starting spot. He transitioned from backup to starter.

thats not what i said.. if we were going into this season with the same LBers last year, i'm not saying not only did Chase earn playing time, he would of earned going into camp as the STARTER.

Obviously it would of been his job to fight and keep it.

Boley was injured... he was an OLB. Chase came in as a MLB and won the job evne when Boley came back.* Theres a difference between getting a chance due to injury and EARNING the spot due to play.

LOL your Brady example is the same thing that happened to Chase Blackburn. Your really not making any sense


What doesn't make sense to you?

You're not making sense because you say something doesn't make sense but you don't say what.

And please with this Boley plays outside linebacker nonsense. Half the time we only have 2 linebackers on the field and Boley's one of them.

The Giants don't routinely hold open tryouts in the middle of the season and Chase blackburn was perfectly healthy. We obviously called him up for a reason.

If Chase Blackburn is on the field next season its because of gross neglegence on the part of Jerry Reese. It would mean we failed to address a glaring need.

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 12:27 PM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him. But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

out of the 9 games he played this year, he started in 8 of them. Including during the superbowl run - i think we can all feel okay about calling him the starter this year.

Yes, actually i'd say he had a great 9 games for us. HE def played like a legit NFL starter.

We had plenty of options of guys that were here since preseason for MLB. He got signed due to injury and won the starting spot within a week.

Reggie Torbor didn't play middle linebacker


ok so we have different ideas of what a starter is. Because to me the starter is the Guy on your roster who you WANT to start Vs a backup who was on the bench (Or couch) who is starting because the starter got hurt and you dont have any better options.

And since you're such a big Chase supporter I'd thought you'd know that the guy can actually play all three linebacker spots...meaning he could have suplanted any of those guys if he was good enough.

Starter is the guy who started because he earned the position, which is what happened wtih Blackburn

Do you not consider Aaron Ross a starter because T2 went down?



He technically startED. So from a physical stanpoint if you start then you can be called a starter. But if a guy gets healthy and you're automatically going back to the bench....I'm gonna say you're doing your job as the backup which is fill in for the starter when the starer can't go.

If Carr plays a game for Eli I'm gonna say we played with our backup QB.

But I find it interesting that use T2 and Ross as an example because Ross was the 1st round draft choice and T2 got that job due to Ross being hurt.

So better question would be..do/did I consider T2 to be a backup or starter and I'd say at the time I'd consider him a backup but then earned the job as the starer....Meaning that Ross couldn't get his job back once he got healthy.

what guy could of gotten healthy to take Chase out of the starting rotation? What player got hurt in between the Green Bay to Dallas game? If anything the injury argument hurts your point cuz Boley was out for the GB game and came back for the Dallas game, the same game that Blackburn got his first start.

Aaron Ross played 15 games in 2010 and started 1 of them. Terrell Thomas started every game.

You make no sense. You basically contradict your whole point about Chase not being a starter with that response. Your trying to bring up events in 2009 to justify who was suppose to be the starter at corner back for THIS year in 2011.

So just to clarify because it was confusing, you considered TErrell Thomas AND Aaron Ross both starters?

And if Chase was still under contract he def would of went into camp as the starting MLB. Thats something he would EARNED by his play this year


I'm not saying Chase didn't earn his playing time. Backups earn that job just like the Starter earns that job.

But the man was signed in week what..11 or something like that due to injury.

There's really nothing else to say on that subject. If that doesn't make sense to you well..Im not qualified to help you in that case.

And yes at one point Ross was the Starter and he lost his job to T2. I mean...this is not unheard of...ummm.

Wait I'll use a more mainstream example.

Drew Bledsoe was the starting QB for the New England Patriots and then he got hurt. So he was replaced by the backup QB Tom Brady....Backup...quarterback.

Bledsoe became able to play again but did not start because he lost his job. Tom Brady earned the starting spot. He transitioned from backup to starter.

thats not what i said.. if we were going into this season with the same LBers last year, i'm not saying not only did Chase earn playing time, he would of earned going into camp as the STARTER.

Obviously it would of been his job to fight and keep it.

Boley was injured... he was an OLB. Chase came in as a MLB and won the job evne when Boley came back. Theres a difference between getting a chance due to injury and EARNING the spot due to play.

LOL your Brady example is the same thing that happened to Chase Blackburn. Your really not making any sense


What doesn't make sense to you?

You're not making sense because you say something doesn't make sense but you don't say what.

And please with this Boley plays outside linebacker nonsense. Half the time we only have 2 linebackers on the field and Boley's one of them.

The Giants don't routinely hold open tryouts in the middle of the season and Chase blackburn was perfectly healthy. We obviously called him up for a reason.

If Chase Blackburn is on the field next season its because of gross neglegence on the part of Jerry Reese. It would mean we failed to address a glaring need.

Blackburn got signed becuase of injury, he earned his starting spot and playing time

thats the end of the discussion. Nothing your saying is making sense in reality. You've given me two examples of players losing starting positions to injury and then say thats the only reason Chase was a starter.

When the reason he was signed was because of an injury to Boley before the Green Bay game. The next weeks game was Dallas, a game they BOTH started in.

burier
03-02-2012, 12:34 PM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him.* But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

out of the 9 games he played this year, he started in 8 of them. Including during the superbowl run - i think we can all feel okay about calling him the starter this year.

Yes, actually i'd say he had a great 9 games for us. HE def played like a legit NFL starter.

We had plenty of options of guys that were here since preseason for MLB. He got signed due to injury and won the starting spot within a week.

Reggie Torbor didn't play middle linebacker


ok so we have different ideas of what a starter is. Because to me the starter is the Guy on your roster who you WANT to start Vs a backup who was on the bench (Or couch) who is starting because the starter got hurt and you dont have any better options.

And since you're such a big Chase supporter I'd thought you'd know that the guy can actually play all three linebacker spots...meaning he could have suplanted any of those guys if he was good enough.

Edit: and he only played in 5 of 16 regular season games so lets not mince words.

he was only ON the tema for 5 regular season games and 4 playoff games...

does it mean less to you that he was starting for us on the playoff run to win a superbowl? It should mean more


The point is you were trying to correct me when I said the guy wasn't on the team at the halfway point by saying he played in 9 games. I don't like games of semantics.

And honestly if I'm JR I've already put the Superbowl run out of my mind.

Look what fixating on the SB has done to us fans. We think players like Chase Blackburn should start which is an asinine suggestion for a defending championship team when you really think about it.

You have to get better or you're going to get eaten alive. I say that we won a SB with some serious weaknesses.

We got a few bounces.

You say that we got lucky against San Fran but then you say we should keep the same subpar players??

How lucky do you think we are?

How long before our luck runs out?

I said that didn't matter... i said he got signed and took the start spot immediatly because of his play.

Its not semantics. The guy started 9 out of the 8 games he played.* We're talking about his worth to the team.* So far you've tried to tell me that mentioning who started for us in the playoffs is a game and that even thoug they TECHNICALLY was in the starting role he wasn't the starter.

Whose playing games?

Absolutely we got a lucky break. It happens in football. The insane thing to say is that becuase we got a lucky break in a game that we should cut players.*

We had more things go against us this season than we had go FOR us.* Luck? Besides that 49ers game, which still was an evenly played game, we dominated pretty much every other game in crunch time. Thats not luck. Stop worrying about weeks 1 through 7 and use that as a measuring stick for how good a team is.

How many times does it have to be shown that its about finishing, not starting.


That 49ers game was in the playoffs! According you we got lucky. If that doesn't tell you that we need to be trying to get better than nothing will.

To take it further...even if dominated everyone in the playoffs my attitude would still be to get better.

I recognize that a weakness on our team is linebacker. It needs to be improved. Keeping marginal players because you thin they're nice guys is how you become the Cleveland Browns.

And I'm not gonna pretend that we didn't finish 9-7 just because we won the Superbowl.

Most years 9-7 will not win the east and there for is unacceptable production. If we don't make our team better we could go 9-7 again and not have chance to make a run in the playoffs because we'll be too busy watching it on TV.

we got a lucky bounce at the end of the game... but it was an evenly played game.

We had about 6 playoff games since the Jets game. So because we were able to get a lucky bounce in ONE game that overshadows dominating in 5 other playoff games?

Getting better is one thing, but don't tell me Blackburn wasn't the starter.

Who said to keep Blackburn? I think he'll get a deal above him. Do you have any idea waht your arguing anymore?

We were 9-7 because of a couple of bad breaks, wouldn't you agree?* Why aren't you applying the same logic to that as you are baout the 49ers game.


Im arguing that Chase Blackburn isn't that good. I'm arguing that he shouldn't be the full time starter.

The fact that we won games with him starting is all fine and good but the fact that we won games doesn't mean we will win games in the future.

bad breaks??? Thats not my logic. That's your logic. You say that we got lucky in the 9ers game not me.

I believe the best team wins barring a foul up by the refs.

What game did we have a bad break in this season? Seattle? Looks like Cruz thwapped his route and the ball got picked off. Thats not a bad break..Thats poor execution.

The Packers game? Looks like our D couldn't get a stop in the clutch to me. (Im not blaming the refs). Poor execution.

9ers game?

Looks like Ballard couldn't get of the line..looks like Eli's ball got batted down..Poor execution.

Eagles?

Looks like the D once again couldn't get a clutch stop. Poor execution.

I didn't see any bad breaks this season.

burier
03-02-2012, 12:39 PM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him.* But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

out of the 9 games he played this year, he started in 8 of them. Including during the superbowl run - i think we can all feel okay about calling him the starter this year.

Yes, actually i'd say he had a great 9 games for us. HE def played like a legit NFL starter.

We had plenty of options of guys that were here since preseason for MLB. He got signed due to injury and won the starting spot within a week.

Reggie Torbor didn't play middle linebacker


ok so we have different ideas of what a starter is. Because to me the starter is the Guy on your roster who you WANT to start Vs a backup who was on the bench (Or couch) who is starting because the starter got hurt and you dont have any better options.

And since you're such a big Chase supporter I'd thought you'd know that the guy can actually play all three linebacker spots...meaning he could have suplanted any of those guys if he was good enough.

Starter is the guy who started because he earned the position, which is what happened wtih Blackburn

Do you not consider Aaron Ross a starter because T2 went down?



He technically startED. So from a physical stanpoint if you start then you can be called a starter. But if a guy gets healthy and you're automatically going back to the bench....I'm gonna say you're doing your job as the backup which is fill in for the starter when the starer can't go.

If Carr plays a game for Eli I'm gonna say we played with our backup QB.

But I find it interesting that use T2 and Ross as an example because Ross was the 1st round draft choice and T2 got that job due to Ross being hurt.

So better question would be..do/did I consider T2 to be a backup or starter and I'd say at the time I'd consider him a backup but then earned the job as the starer....Meaning that Ross couldn't get his job back once he got healthy.

what guy could of gotten healthy to take Chase out of the starting rotation? What player got hurt in between the Green Bay to Dallas game? If anything the injury argument hurts your point cuz Boley was out for the GB game and came back for the Dallas game, the same game that Blackburn got his first start.

Aaron Ross played 15 games in 2010 and started 1 of them. Terrell Thomas started every game.

You make no sense. You basically contradict your whole point about Chase not being a starter with that response. Your trying to bring up events in 2009 to justify who was suppose to be the starter at corner back for THIS year in 2011.

So just to clarify because it was confusing, you considered TErrell Thomas AND Aaron Ross both starters?

And if Chase was still under contract he def would of went into camp as the starting MLB. Thats something he would EARNED by his play this year


I'm not saying Chase didn't earn his playing time. Backups earn that job just like the Starter earns that job.

But the man was signed in week what..11 or something like that due to injury.

There's really nothing else to say on that subject. If that doesn't make sense to you well..Im not qualified to help you in that case.

And yes at one point Ross was the Starter and he lost his job to T2. I mean...this is not unheard of...ummm.

Wait I'll use a more mainstream example.

Drew Bledsoe was the starting QB for the New England Patriots and then he got hurt. So he was replaced by the backup QB Tom Brady....Backup...quarterback.

Bledsoe became able to play again but did not start because he lost his job. Tom Brady earned the starting spot. He transitioned from backup to starter.

thats not what i said.. if we were going into this season with the same LBers last year, i'm not saying not only did Chase earn playing time, he would of earned going into camp as the STARTER.

Obviously it would of been his job to fight and keep it.

Boley was injured... he was an OLB. Chase came in as a MLB and won the job evne when Boley came back.* Theres a difference between getting a chance due to injury and EARNING the spot due to play.

LOL your Brady example is the same thing that happened to Chase Blackburn. Your really not making any sense


What doesn't make sense to you?

You're not making sense because you say something doesn't make sense but you don't say what.

And please with this Boley plays outside linebacker nonsense. Half the time we only have 2 linebackers on the field and Boley's one of them.

The Giants don't routinely hold open tryouts in the middle of the season and Chase blackburn was perfectly healthy. We obviously called him up for a reason.

If Chase Blackburn is on the field next season its because of gross neglegence on the part of Jerry Reese. It would mean we failed to address a glaring need.

Blackburn got signed becuase of injury, he earned his starting spot and playing time

thats the end of the discussion. Nothing your saying is making sense in reality. You've given me two examples of players losing starting positions to injury and then say thats the only reason Chase was a starter.

When the reason he was signed was because of an injury to Boley before the Green Bay game.* The next weeks game was Dallas, a game they BOTH started in.




NO NO NO NO NO!!!

I'm not saying the man didn't start games! I'm merely saying that an injury is what put him in position to start games....thats all.

Injury is the reason the guy was on the team in the first place. Then he earned his starting spot. Are we clear?

I'm talking about next season now.

TuckYou
03-02-2012, 12:40 PM
Blackburn deserves to be back in a Giants uniform....the man made plays all year for us after getting off the couch midway through the season. Doesnt that show the work ethic and passion, that u look for in a football player? Chase Blackburn bleeds blue...and loves to be a Giant....Thats Giants Pride, but I guess Jerry Reese doesnt know anything about that. Reese is in love with workout warriors with a god given physique....he doesnt seem to care about the guys that play with intensity and passion who doesnt have quite all the measureables. Is Reese still banking on Clint Sintim becoming a beast? I'll take Blackburn over Greg Jones, Mark Herzlich, Clint Sintim and maybe even Goff. I like Goff in run support, but Blackburn always seem to be in the right place at the right time in coverage.
Jerry Reese has two rings and has produced a team that has talent at EVERY position grouping. How many rings do you have?
We have very little talent at linebacker.</P>


I posted in another thread our LBs since 1986. The last impact LBs we drafted were Armstead andin 2000, Brandon Short and Dhani Jones. Before and After? Good God the list is awful back to 86 with Peppers. Sintim, Kehl, Goff, Torbor, Wilkerson, Dillard, Tracy, Greison, Mallard, Monk... We just absolutely suck at picking up LBs and dont value them high in drafts for some reason. </P>




because we run a 4-3 now and not a 3-4. The focus isn't on the linebackers. In fact we are more worried about having a 3rd pass rusher and a backup DT. THATS where the linebacker money is at...

Or i should say MIDDLE line backer. And we honestly haven't been as bad with it as you would think. Most of those guys are mid-late picks. Writing Goff off at this point is premature by you. We have gone the route of free agency to get the talent at LBer. After Armstead we had Barrow and Pierce. Then we got Boley and was able to move Kiwi to OLB. We then just had a draft of young talent that played great for us this year...

personally I like the direction we are going with linebackers. We have different guys that do different things. We have alot of rotation and can matchup better in the passing game which was the killer for us in past year defensively
</P>


Oh, no, I get it. I understand exactly where the money is going and why we dont focus on LB in the draft much. Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, Strahan, JPP, Cofield, Joseph, Canty, Benard ect. As a 4-3, the DL is very importnt in our system. But, IMO, we still would love a great MLB and need one to stop the run better. I didnt completely write off Goff in my earlier post, but he hasnt shown much. JWill has the biggest upside of all our LBs IMO. Him and Boley on the outsides. But if LB isnt important, why not keep Chase in there? He knows the system and will be cheaper then most other options. I guess the FO sees Herzlich and Jones the answer going forward. Maybe Goff if he is resigned. </P>

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 12:44 PM
first off let me say that I forgot Herzlich got injured that week too and that was also part of the reason Blackburn was signed. But regardless that doesn't effect my argument because he still wasn't a starter on defense.

Well like you said, for what we ask out of our MLB in Fewell's defense he showed that its his spot to lose. And that wasn't your initial argument. Your intial argument was that he really WASNT the starter last year.

Well if your using my logic, then use to completely. Because as we got a lucky break in that 49ers game, we had plenty of ****ty breaks go against us on the year. Its just the way it goe sin my eyes. So the 9-7 thing doesn't bother me when I factor in the injuries and the bad breaks we got. I may be the one saying we got a lucky break vs the 9ers but YOUR the one harping on it and basically changing the meaning of the point I make when I say it.

You seem to think that because a team gets a lucky break that they aren't as good as they are. It was a lucky play that bounced our way, i've alwyas maintained that it was a pretty balanced game and we played just as good as them. Regardless - losing in the NFC Championship may leave a bad taste in your mouth but it wouldn't be a knock on how good your team is.

Na, i blame the refs. Thats where we differ. Ballard was a TD, by no other example in the NFL can u show me a similiar play to Jenning's TD being called a TD, and Driver stepped out of bounds right in front of my face because I was at that game (Thanks Dezz) before he caught that TD. It was two top level teams playing football with 3 bad calls which effected 18 points total in a 3 point game that all went against us. Don't get me started on the inconsistency of the defensive illegal contact and PI.

And lets get something clear, being 10-6 with knocking off the undefeated team all-galaxy Packers would of cast a completely different view of who our team was. YES that one game.

And we've definitly had bad calls against us all season. They may not of effected the games, the 49ers one just happened to bounce our way at the end of the game. But the fact that we played so good that whole game is a testament. It was an unforced turnover that changed the complete projection of the game

dezzzR
03-02-2012, 12:47 PM
hopefully hell get a spot on special teams

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 12:48 PM
Blackburn deserves to be back in a Giants uniform....the man made plays all year for us after getting off the couch midway through the season. Doesnt that show the work ethic and passion, that u look for in a football player? Chase Blackburn bleeds blue...and loves to be a Giant....Thats Giants Pride, but I guess Jerry Reese doesnt know anything about that. Reese is in love with workout warriors with a god given physique....he doesnt seem to care about the guys that play with intensity and passion who doesnt have quite all the measureables. Is Reese still banking on Clint Sintim becoming a beast? I'll take Blackburn over Greg Jones, Mark Herzlich, Clint Sintim and maybe even Goff. I like Goff in run support, but Blackburn always seem to be in the right place at the right time in coverage.
Jerry Reese has two rings and has produced a team that has talent at EVERY position grouping. How many rings do you have?
We have very little talent at linebacker.</p>


I posted in another thread our LBs since 1986. The last impact LBs we drafted were Armstead andin 2000, Brandon Short and Dhani Jones. Before and After? Good God the list is awful back to 86 with Peppers. Sintim, Kehl, Goff, Torbor, Wilkerson, Dillard, Tracy, Greison, Mallard, Monk... We just absolutely suck at picking up LBs and dont value them high in drafts for some reason. </p>




because we run a 4-3 now and not a 3-4. The focus isn't on the linebackers. In fact we are more worried about having a 3rd pass rusher and a backup DT. THATS where the linebacker money is at...

Or i should say MIDDLE line backer. And we honestly haven't been as bad with it as you would think. Most of those guys are mid-late picks. Writing Goff off at this point is premature by you. We have gone the route of free agency to get the talent at LBer. After Armstead we had Barrow and Pierce. Then we got Boley and was able to move Kiwi to OLB. We then just had a draft of young talent that played great for us this year...

personally I like the direction we are going with linebackers. We have different guys that do different things. We have alot of rotation and can matchup better in the passing game which was the killer for us in past year defensively
</p>


Oh, no, I get it. I understand exactly where the money is going and why we dont focus on LB in the draft much. Osi, Tuck, Kiwi, Strahan, JPP, Cofield, Joseph, Canty, Benard ect. As a 4-3, the DL is very importnt in our system. But, IMO, we still would love a great MLB and need one to stop the run better. I didnt completely write off Goff in my earlier post, but he hasnt shown much. JWill has the biggest upside of all our LBs IMO. Him and Boley on the outsides. But if LB isnt important, why not keep Chase in there? He knows the system and will be cheaper then most other options. I guess the FO sees Herzlich and Jones the answer going forward. Maybe Goff if he is resigned. </p>

yea absolutely I would like to be better vs the run, but it was in part of what our game plan was. I think we gave up alot in the run game to make sure we didn't give up the big play. We played alot of 2 LB sets this year and plus the injuries to our DEs didn't help.

If Goff is healthy I think he could be the perfect fit for us

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 12:52 PM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him. But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

out of the 9 games he played this year, he started in 8 of them. Including during the superbowl run - i think we can all feel okay about calling him the starter this year.

Yes, actually i'd say he had a great 9 games for us. HE def played like a legit NFL starter.

We had plenty of options of guys that were here since preseason for MLB. He got signed due to injury and won the starting spot within a week.

Reggie Torbor didn't play middle linebacker


ok so we have different ideas of what a starter is. Because to me the starter is the Guy on your roster who you WANT to start Vs a backup who was on the bench (Or couch) who is starting because the starter got hurt and you dont have any better options.

And since you're such a big Chase supporter I'd thought you'd know that the guy can actually play all three linebacker spots...meaning he could have suplanted any of those guys if he was good enough.

Starter is the guy who started because he earned the position, which is what happened wtih Blackburn

Do you not consider Aaron Ross a starter because T2 went down?



He technically startED. So from a physical stanpoint if you start then you can be called a starter. But if a guy gets healthy and you're automatically going back to the bench....I'm gonna say you're doing your job as the backup which is fill in for the starter when the starer can't go.

If Carr plays a game for Eli I'm gonna say we played with our backup QB.

But I find it interesting that use T2 and Ross as an example because Ross was the 1st round draft choice and T2 got that job due to Ross being hurt.

So better question would be..do/did I consider T2 to be a backup or starter and I'd say at the time I'd consider him a backup but then earned the job as the starer....Meaning that Ross couldn't get his job back once he got healthy.

what guy could of gotten healthy to take Chase out of the starting rotation? What player got hurt in between the Green Bay to Dallas game? If anything the injury argument hurts your point cuz Boley was out for the GB game and came back for the Dallas game, the same game that Blackburn got his first start.

Aaron Ross played 15 games in 2010 and started 1 of them. Terrell Thomas started every game.

You make no sense. You basically contradict your whole point about Chase not being a starter with that response. Your trying to bring up events in 2009 to justify who was suppose to be the starter at corner back for THIS year in 2011.

So just to clarify because it was confusing, you considered TErrell Thomas AND Aaron Ross both starters?

And if Chase was still under contract he def would of went into camp as the starting MLB. Thats something he would EARNED by his play this year


I'm not saying Chase didn't earn his playing time. Backups earn that job just like the Starter earns that job.

But the man was signed in week what..11 or something like that due to injury.

There's really nothing else to say on that subject. If that doesn't make sense to you well..Im not qualified to help you in that case.

And yes at one point Ross was the Starter and he lost his job to T2. I mean...this is not unheard of...ummm.

Wait I'll use a more mainstream example.

Drew Bledsoe was the starting QB for the New England Patriots and then he got hurt. So he was replaced by the backup QB Tom Brady....Backup...quarterback.

Bledsoe became able to play again but did not start because he lost his job. Tom Brady earned the starting spot. He transitioned from backup to starter.

thats not what i said.. if we were going into this season with the same LBers last year, i'm not saying not only did Chase earn playing time, he would of earned going into camp as the STARTER.

Obviously it would of been his job to fight and keep it.

Boley was injured... he was an OLB. Chase came in as a MLB and won the job evne when Boley came back. Theres a difference between getting a chance due to injury and EARNING the spot due to play.

LOL your Brady example is the same thing that happened to Chase Blackburn. Your really not making any sense


What doesn't make sense to you?

You're not making sense because you say something doesn't make sense but you don't say what.

And please with this Boley plays outside linebacker nonsense. Half the time we only have 2 linebackers on the field and Boley's one of them.

The Giants don't routinely hold open tryouts in the middle of the season and Chase blackburn was perfectly healthy. We obviously called him up for a reason.

If Chase Blackburn is on the field next season its because of gross neglegence on the part of Jerry Reese. It would mean we failed to address a glaring need.

Blackburn got signed becuase of injury, he earned his starting spot and playing time

thats the end of the discussion. Nothing your saying is making sense in reality. You've given me two examples of players losing starting positions to injury and then say thats the only reason Chase was a starter.

When the reason he was signed was because of an injury to Boley before the Green Bay game. The next weeks game was Dallas, a game they BOTH started in.




NO NO NO NO NO!!!

I'm not saying the man didn't start games! I'm merely saying that an injury is what put him in position to start games....thats all.

Injury is the reason the guy was on the team in the first place. Then he earned his starting spot. Are we clear?

I'm talking about next season now.

Well your obviously wrong. It was injury that got him signed, it was his play that made him a starter.

Two injuries happened that got him signed: BOLEY and HERZLICH. Herzlich WASNT a starter and when Boley returned for Dallas1 both he and Chase were starting that game.

So how are you saying that because of injury he is a starter?

You then went on to say that you don't consider him the starter for us last year. You then used examples of Bledsoe and Brady but claimed that Brady had earned the starting spot. This is why I say u make no sense

BJacobs aka The Problem
03-02-2012, 12:52 PM
With what I said earlier, I do think Blackburn will get a shot at camp. I think he showed enough during that 9 game stretch that he can compete with the other young LB's for a chance at depth/Special Teams.

I believe the lack of contact to his agent from the FO is because, let's be real here, they have more important things to get in order. Cap room, role players and the draft. Are they possibly worried about losing him to another team when Free Agency hits, sure and I'll bet that this was a calculated move by Blackburn's agent to get his name in out there in the media. For all we know this is just a ploy to get his client some attention.

burier
03-02-2012, 01:01 PM
first off let me say that I forgot Herzlich got injured that week too and that was also part of the reason Blackburn was signed. But regardless that doesn't effect my argument because he still wasn't a starter on defense.

Well like you said, for what we ask out of our MLB in Fewell's defense he showed that its his spot to lose. And that wasn't your initial argument. Your intial argument was that he really WASNT the starter last year.

Well if your using my logic, then use to completely. Because as we got a lucky break in that 49ers game, we had plenty of ****ty breaks go against us on the year. Its just the way it goe sin my eyes.* So the 9-7 thing doesn't bother me when I factor in the injuries and the bad breaks we got.* I may be the one saying we got a lucky break vs the 9ers but YOUR the one harping on it and basically changing the meaning of the point I make when I say it.

You seem to think that because a team gets a lucky break that they aren't as good as they are.* It was a lucky play that bounced our way, i've alwyas maintained that it was a pretty balanced game and we played just as good as them.* Regardless - losing in the NFC Championship may leave a bad taste in your mouth* but it wouldn't be a knock on how good your team is.

Na, i blame the refs. Thats where we differ.* Ballard was a TD, by no other example in the NFL can u show me a similiar play to Jenning's TD being called a TD, and Driver stepped out of bounds right in front of my face because I was at that game (Thanks Dezz) before he caught that TD.* It was two top level teams playing football with 3 bad calls which effected 18 points total in a 3 point game that all went against us. Don't get me started on the inconsistency of the defensive illegal contact and PI.

And lets get something clear, being 10-6 with knocking off the undefeated team all-galaxy Packers would of cast a completely different view of who our team was. YES that one game.

And we've definitly had bad calls against us all season. They may not of effected the games, the 49ers one just happened to bounce our way at the end of the game. But the fact that we played so good that whole game is a testament. It was an unforced turnover that changed the complete projection of the game


I don't want to talk about the starter stuff anymore because really its not the point. Because has Chase started from week 1 I'd still say that we need an upgrade.

I saw Ballards catch. When I saw the replay I thought he was out. I wasn't until that still came out where I felt like they got it wrong.

So to me I'm not gonna say we lost the game because of that play.

As far as the other play...we didn't even do anything. We didn't even cover the guy and I'm supposed to cry because the refs didn't come bail us out for lack of execution???? Nah. We look at football very differently you and I.

like for instance you think Chase blackburn is a good player. I think Chase Blackburn is a marginal player.

You thin Justin Tuck cherry picking what games he wants to play is fine. I think its reprehensible.

You think Chris Canty cherry picking which downs he wants to play is fine. I think that's equally reprehensible.

You think winning a SB is a good reason for a 9-7 team to stand pat. I think you should be doing everything in your power to get better regarless an especially when you lose at home to Seattle and you get swept by Washington.


You think pointing fingers at refs is an acceptable excuse for losing. I see no excuse to lose.

burier
03-02-2012, 01:06 PM
Its like everyone has suddenly started using crack.

Chase Blackburn puts forth great effort making him very strong DEPTH!

What championship calibur team has their priorities so out of wack that they take care of depth before they take care of starters?

Answer: None.

If someone wants to overpay Chase Blackburn because he intercepted what would have been universally referred to as a duck had Eli thrown it...LET EM.

Between Goff and Blackburn we'd have the worst Mike backer position in the NFL.

well first off he was a starter for us last year

second if the interceptions is your only memory of chase's performance this year than your on the pipe, not the rest of us.

With that said, I still think we end up moving on from him.* But lets not diminish his performance this year


Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you.

He made two interceptions. Those are his standout plays.

Are you gonna pretend this guy was flying around like a legit starting NFL linebacker?

Its not about diminishing his performance its about seeing his performance for what it was.

He did a great job when we called on him buts he's not a starter quality player. Has been on the team for years and has never been able to crack the starting lineup...(Unless someone got hurt... since you seem to think the guy filling in for the starter is the "starter")

And this is depite the Giants being notoriously weak at linebacker during the guy's entire tenure here.

He couldn't move past Reggie Torbor on the depth chart!!!

If he loves the Giants he'll take the Vet min and work utilities.

out of the 9 games he played this year, he started in 8 of them. Including during the superbowl run - i think we can all feel okay about calling him the starter this year.

Yes, actually i'd say he had a great 9 games for us. HE def played like a legit NFL starter.

We had plenty of options of guys that were here since preseason for MLB. He got signed due to injury and won the starting spot within a week.

Reggie Torbor didn't play middle linebacker


ok so we have different ideas of what a starter is. Because to me the starter is the Guy on your roster who you WANT to start Vs a backup who was on the bench (Or couch) who is starting because the starter got hurt and you dont have any better options.

And since you're such a big Chase supporter I'd thought you'd know that the guy can actually play all three linebacker spots...meaning he could have suplanted any of those guys if he was good enough.

Starter is the guy who started because he earned the position, which is what happened wtih Blackburn

Do you not consider Aaron Ross a starter because T2 went down?



He technically startED. So from a physical stanpoint if you start then you can be called a starter. But if a guy gets healthy and you're automatically going back to the bench....I'm gonna say you're doing your job as the backup which is fill in for the starter when the starer can't go.

If Carr plays a game for Eli I'm gonna say we played with our backup QB.

But I find it interesting that use T2 and Ross as an example because Ross was the 1st round draft choice and T2 got that job due to Ross being hurt.

So better question would be..do/did I consider T2 to be a backup or starter and I'd say at the time I'd consider him a backup but then earned the job as the starer....Meaning that Ross couldn't get his job back once he got healthy.

what guy could of gotten healthy to take Chase out of the starting rotation? What player got hurt in between the Green Bay to Dallas game? If anything the injury argument hurts your point cuz Boley was out for the GB game and came back for the Dallas game, the same game that Blackburn got his first start.

Aaron Ross played 15 games in 2010 and started 1 of them. Terrell Thomas started every game.

You make no sense. You basically contradict your whole point about Chase not being a starter with that response. Your trying to bring up events in 2009 to justify who was suppose to be the starter at corner back for THIS year in 2011.

So just to clarify because it was confusing, you considered TErrell Thomas AND Aaron Ross both starters?

And if Chase was still under contract he def would of went into camp as the starting MLB. Thats something he would EARNED by his play this year


I'm not saying Chase didn't earn his playing time. Backups earn that job just like the Starter earns that job.

But the man was signed in week what..11 or something like that due to injury.

There's really nothing else to say on that subject. If that doesn't make sense to you well..Im not qualified to help you in that case.

And yes at one point Ross was the Starter and he lost his job to T2. I mean...this is not unheard of...ummm.

Wait I'll use a more mainstream example.

Drew Bledsoe was the starting QB for the New England Patriots and then he got hurt. So he was replaced by the backup QB Tom Brady....Backup...quarterback.

Bledsoe became able to play again but did not start because he lost his job. Tom Brady earned the starting spot. He transitioned from backup to starter.

thats not what i said.. if we were going into this season with the same LBers last year, i'm not saying not only did Chase earn playing time, he would of earned going into camp as the STARTER.

Obviously it would of been his job to fight and keep it.

Boley was injured... he was an OLB. Chase came in as a MLB and won the job evne when Boley came back.* Theres a difference between getting a chance due to injury and EARNING the spot due to play.

LOL your Brady example is the same thing that happened to Chase Blackburn. Your really not making any sense


What doesn't make sense to you?

You're not making sense because you say something doesn't make sense but you don't say what.

And please with this Boley plays outside linebacker nonsense. Half the time we only have 2 linebackers on the field and Boley's one of them.

The Giants don't routinely hold open tryouts in the middle of the season and Chase blackburn was perfectly healthy. We obviously called him up for a reason.

If Chase Blackburn is on the field next season its because of gross neglegence on the part of Jerry Reese. It would mean we failed to address a glaring need.

Blackburn got signed becuase of injury, he earned his starting spot and playing time

thats the end of the discussion. Nothing your saying is making sense in reality. You've given me two examples of players losing starting positions to injury and then say thats the only reason Chase was a starter.

When the reason he was signed was because of an injury to Boley before the Green Bay game.* The next weeks game was Dallas, a game they BOTH started in.




NO NO NO NO NO!!!

I'm not saying the man didn't start games! I'm merely saying that an injury is what put him in position to start games....thats all.

Injury is the reason the guy was on the team in the first place. Then he earned his starting spot. Are we clear?

I'm talking about next season now.

Well your obviously wrong. It was injury that got him signed, it was his play that made him a starter.

Two injuries happened that got him signed: BOLEY and HERZLICH. Herzlich WASNT a starter and when Boley returned for Dallas1 both he and Chase were starting that game.

So how are you saying that because of injury he is a starter?

You then went on to say that you don't consider him the starter for us last year. You then used examples of Bledsoe and Brady but claimed that Brady had earned the starting spot. This is why I say u make no sense


You're the one who brought up Ross and t2 I was bringing up Bledsoe as an example of a starter losing his job to a backup...That didn't happen with Blackburn because in our LB corps Boley was the only true starter and everything else was rotational.

Chase got the snaps so props to him HE EARNED IT..

which is what I've said all along. I don't refer to midseason signings off the street as "
starters" Personal preference.

You're just so in love with mediocre players that you can't be realistic about it.

burier
03-02-2012, 01:07 PM
first off let me say that I forgot Herzlich got injured that week too and that was also part of the reason Blackburn was signed. But regardless that doesn't effect my argument because he still wasn't a starter on defense.

Well like you said, for what we ask out of our MLB in Fewell's defense he showed that its his spot to lose. And that wasn't your initial argument. Your intial argument was that he really WASNT the starter last year.

Well if your using my logic, then use to completely. Because as we got a lucky break in that 49ers game, we had plenty of ****ty breaks go against us on the year. Its just the way it goe sin my eyes.* So the 9-7 thing doesn't bother me when I factor in the injuries and the bad breaks we got.* I may be the one saying we got a lucky break vs the 9ers but YOUR the one harping on it and basically changing the meaning of the point I make when I say it.

You seem to think that because a team gets a lucky break that they aren't as good as they are.* It was a lucky play that bounced our way, i've alwyas maintained that it was a pretty balanced game and we played just as good as them.* Regardless - losing in the NFC Championship may leave a bad taste in your mouth* but it wouldn't be a knock on how good your team is.

Na, i blame the refs. Thats where we differ.* Ballard was a TD, by no other example in the NFL can u show me a similiar play to Jenning's TD being called a TD, and Driver stepped out of bounds right in front of my face because I was at that game (Thanks Dezz) before he caught that TD.* It was two top level teams playing football with 3 bad calls which effected 18 points total in a 3 point game that all went against us. Don't get me started on the inconsistency of the defensive illegal contact and PI.

And lets get something clear, being 10-6 with knocking off the undefeated team all-galaxy Packers would of cast a completely different view of who our team was. YES that one game.

And we've definitly had bad calls against us all season. They may not of effected the games, the 49ers one just happened to bounce our way at the end of the game. But the fact that we played so good that whole game is a testament. It was an unforced turnover that changed the complete projection of the game


I don't want to talk about the starter stuff anymore because really its not the point. Because has Chase started from week 1 I'd still say that we need an upgrade.

I saw Ballards catch. When I saw the replay I thought he was out. I wasn't until that still came out where I felt like they got it wrong.

So to me I'm not gonna say we lost the game because of that play.

As far as the other play...we didn't even do anything. We didn't even cover the guy and I'm supposed to cry because the refs didn't come bail us out for lack of execution on a technicality???? Nah. We look at football very differently you and I.

like for instance you think Chase blackburn is a good player. I think Chase Blackburn is a marginal player.

You thin Justin Tuck cherry picking what games he wants to play is fine. I think its reprehensible.

You think Chris Canty cherry picking which downs he wants to play is fine. I think that's equally reprehensible.

You think winning a SB is a good reason for a 9-7 team to stand pat. I think you should be doing everything in your power to get better regarless an especially when you lose at home to Seattle and you get swept by Washington.


You think pointing fingers at refs is an acceptable excuse for losing. I see no excuse to lose.

nygsb42champs
03-02-2012, 01:27 PM
At the right price they should bring him back. He is also very solid on ST's. We keep thinking these young guys can step up and replace him but if they could they would have last year.

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 01:27 PM
first off let me say that I forgot Herzlich got injured that week too and that was also part of the reason Blackburn was signed. But regardless that doesn't effect my argument because he still wasn't a starter on defense.

Well like you said, for what we ask out of our MLB in Fewell's defense he showed that its his spot to lose. And that wasn't your initial argument. Your intial argument was that he really WASNT the starter last year.

Well if your using my logic, then use to completely. Because as we got a lucky break in that 49ers game, we had plenty of ****ty breaks go against us on the year. Its just the way it goe sin my eyes. So the 9-7 thing doesn't bother me when I factor in the injuries and the bad breaks we got. I may be the one saying we got a lucky break vs the 9ers but YOUR the one harping on it and basically changing the meaning of the point I make when I say it.

You seem to think that because a team gets a lucky break that they aren't as good as they are. It was a lucky play that bounced our way, i've alwyas maintained that it was a pretty balanced game and we played just as good as them. Regardless - losing in the NFC Championship may leave a bad taste in your mouth but it wouldn't be a knock on how good your team is.

Na, i blame the refs. Thats where we differ. Ballard was a TD, by no other example in the NFL can u show me a similiar play to Jenning's TD being called a TD, and Driver stepped out of bounds right in front of my face because I was at that game (Thanks Dezz) before he caught that TD. It was two top level teams playing football with 3 bad calls which effected 18 points total in a 3 point game that all went against us. Don't get me started on the inconsistency of the defensive illegal contact and PI.

And lets get something clear, being 10-6 with knocking off the undefeated team all-galaxy Packers would of cast a completely different view of who our team was. YES that one game.

And we've definitly had bad calls against us all season. They may not of effected the games, the 49ers one just happened to bounce our way at the end of the game. But the fact that we played so good that whole game is a testament. It was an unforced turnover that changed the complete projection of the game


I don't want to talk about the starter stuff anymore because really its not the point. Because has Chase started from week 1 I'd still say that we need an upgrade.

I saw Ballards catch. When I saw the replay I thought he was out. I wasn't until that still came out where I felt like they got it wrong.

So to me I'm not gonna say we lost the game because of that play.

As far as the other play...we didn't even do anything. We didn't even cover the guy and I'm supposed to cry because the refs didn't come bail us out for lack of execution???? Nah. We look at football very differently you and I.

like for instance you think Chase blackburn is a good player. I think Chase Blackburn is a marginal player.

You thin Justin Tuck cherry picking what games he wants to play is fine. I think its reprehensible.

You think Chris Canty cherry picking which downs he wants to play is fine. I think that's equally reprehensible.

You think winning a SB is a good reason for a 9-7 team to stand pat. I think you should be doing everything in your power to get better regarless an especially when you lose at home to Seattle and you get swept by Washington.


You think pointing fingers at refs is an acceptable excuse for losing. I see no excuse to lose.

Okay and then you also see no excuse for another team to lose and your just taking the 49ers game as a win and thats that. So keep your arguments with that mind set.

Don't start half quoting me to make points on the 49ers games but then ignore my points on the Packers game. MY reasoning and though process are consistent in both cases. Whether its right or wrong is a different argument

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 01:29 PM
actually this whole argument started on your comments baout Chase starting:

"
Whatever dude.



He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the
season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season.
If you call that starting then more power to you."

burier
03-02-2012, 01:33 PM
first off let me say that I forgot Herzlich got injured that week too and that was also part of the reason Blackburn was signed. But regardless that doesn't effect my argument because he still wasn't a starter on defense.

Well like you said, for what we ask out of our MLB in Fewell's defense he showed that its his spot to lose. And that wasn't your initial argument. Your intial argument was that he really WASNT the starter last year.

Well if your using my logic, then use to completely. Because as we got a lucky break in that 49ers game, we had plenty of ****ty breaks go against us on the year. Its just the way it goe sin my eyes.* So the 9-7 thing doesn't bother me when I factor in the injuries and the bad breaks we got.* I may be the one saying we got a lucky break vs the 9ers but YOUR the one harping on it and basically changing the meaning of the point I make when I say it.

You seem to think that because a team gets a lucky break that they aren't as good as they are.* It was a lucky play that bounced our way, i've alwyas maintained that it was a pretty balanced game and we played just as good as them.* Regardless - losing in the NFC Championship may leave a bad taste in your mouth* but it wouldn't be a knock on how good your team is.

Na, i blame the refs. Thats where we differ.* Ballard was a TD, by no other example in the NFL can u show me a similiar play to Jenning's TD being called a TD, and Driver stepped out of bounds right in front of my face because I was at that game (Thanks Dezz) before he caught that TD.* It was two top level teams playing football with 3 bad calls which effected 18 points total in a 3 point game that all went against us. Don't get me started on the inconsistency of the defensive illegal contact and PI.

And lets get something clear, being 10-6 with knocking off the undefeated team all-galaxy Packers would of cast a completely different view of who our team was. YES that one game.

And we've definitly had bad calls against us all season. They may not of effected the games, the 49ers one just happened to bounce our way at the end of the game. But the fact that we played so good that whole game is a testament. It was an unforced turnover that changed the complete projection of the game


I don't want to talk about the starter stuff anymore because really its not the point. Because has Chase started from week 1 I'd still say that we need an upgrade.

I saw Ballards catch. When I saw the replay I thought he was out. I wasn't until that still came out where I felt like they got it wrong.

So to me I'm not gonna say we lost the game because of that play.

As far as the other play...we didn't even do anything. We didn't even cover the guy and I'm supposed to cry because the refs didn't come bail us out for lack of execution???? Nah. We look at football very differently you and I.

like for instance you think Chase blackburn is a good player. I think Chase Blackburn is a marginal player.

You thin Justin Tuck cherry picking what games he wants to play is fine. I think its reprehensible.

You think Chris Canty cherry picking which downs he wants to play is fine. I think that's equally reprehensible.

You think winning a SB is a good reason for a 9-7 team to stand pat. I think you should be doing everything in your power to get better regarless an especially when you lose at home to Seattle and you get swept by Washington.


You think pointing fingers at refs is an acceptable excuse for losing. I see no excuse to lose.

Okay and then you also see no excuse for another team to lose and your just taking the 49ers game as a win and thats that. So keep your arguments with that mind set.

Don't start half quoting me to make points on the 49ers games but then ignore my points on the Packers game. MY reasoning and though process are consistent in both cases. Whether its right or wrong is a different argument


My only point about the 9ers game is that you saying it came down to luck is even more reason to want to improve the team.

My reasoning for improving the team has to do with the fact that 31 other teams are trying to get better so we better do the same.

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 01:38 PM
first off let me say that I forgot Herzlich got injured that week too and that was also part of the reason Blackburn was signed. But regardless that doesn't effect my argument because he still wasn't a starter on defense.

Well like you said, for what we ask out of our MLB in Fewell's defense he showed that its his spot to lose. And that wasn't your initial argument. Your intial argument was that he really WASNT the starter last year.

Well if your using my logic, then use to completely. Because as we got a lucky break in that 49ers game, we had plenty of ****ty breaks go against us on the year. Its just the way it goe sin my eyes. So the 9-7 thing doesn't bother me when I factor in the injuries and the bad breaks we got. I may be the one saying we got a lucky break vs the 9ers but YOUR the one harping on it and basically changing the meaning of the point I make when I say it.

You seem to think that because a team gets a lucky break that they aren't as good as they are. It was a lucky play that bounced our way, i've alwyas maintained that it was a pretty balanced game and we played just as good as them. Regardless - losing in the NFC Championship may leave a bad taste in your mouth but it wouldn't be a knock on how good your team is.

Na, i blame the refs. Thats where we differ. Ballard was a TD, by no other example in the NFL can u show me a similiar play to Jenning's TD being called a TD, and Driver stepped out of bounds right in front of my face because I was at that game (Thanks Dezz) before he caught that TD. It was two top level teams playing football with 3 bad calls which effected 18 points total in a 3 point game that all went against us. Don't get me started on the inconsistency of the defensive illegal contact and PI.

And lets get something clear, being 10-6 with knocking off the undefeated team all-galaxy Packers would of cast a completely different view of who our team was. YES that one game.

And we've definitly had bad calls against us all season. They may not of effected the games, the 49ers one just happened to bounce our way at the end of the game. But the fact that we played so good that whole game is a testament. It was an unforced turnover that changed the complete projection of the game


I don't want to talk about the starter stuff anymore because really its not the point. Because has Chase started from week 1 I'd still say that we need an upgrade.

I saw Ballards catch. When I saw the replay I thought he was out. I wasn't until that still came out where I felt like they got it wrong.

So to me I'm not gonna say we lost the game because of that play.

As far as the other play...we didn't even do anything. We didn't even cover the guy and I'm supposed to cry because the refs didn't come bail us out for lack of execution???? Nah. We look at football very differently you and I.

like for instance you think Chase blackburn is a good player. I think Chase Blackburn is a marginal player.

You thin Justin Tuck cherry picking what games he wants to play is fine. I think its reprehensible.

You think Chris Canty cherry picking which downs he wants to play is fine. I think that's equally reprehensible.

You think winning a SB is a good reason for a 9-7 team to stand pat. I think you should be doing everything in your power to get better regarless an especially when you lose at home to Seattle and you get swept by Washington.


You think pointing fingers at refs is an acceptable excuse for losing. I see no excuse to lose.

Okay and then you also see no excuse for another team to lose and your just taking the 49ers game as a win and thats that. So keep your arguments with that mind set.

Don't start half quoting me to make points on the 49ers games but then ignore my points on the Packers game. MY reasoning and though process are consistent in both cases. Whether its right or wrong is a different argument


My only point about the 9ers game is that you saying it came down to luck is even more reason to want to improve the team.

My reasoning for improving the team has to do with the fact that 31 other teams are trying to get better so we better do the same.

well thats an awful philosophy...

first if we both agree you should always look to improve your team while keeping the future in mind (i would hope we agre eon that)

But to say because we played in a tight close game and didn't blow a team out and had a lucky bounce go our way is a reason for even more change is kind of ridiculous.

And not for nothing, the defense did its part that game so improving the LBer positions isn't really a good reason. Our offensive line and running backs were the reason it was so close, everywhere else did their thing. Even Vernon Davis's TDs were breakdowns with the secondary.

TuckYou
03-02-2012, 02:14 PM
actually this whole argument started on your comments baout Chase starting:

"
Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you."</P>


Well technically, he was the starter at MLBfrom the GB game on, even if it was by default. In those games he started we went 7-2 (3-2 in reg season, 4-0 in playoffs).</P>


</P>

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 02:29 PM
actually this whole argument started on your comments baout Chase starting:

"
Whatever dude.

He was a starter? He wasn't even on the roster at the start of the season. Hell he wasn't even on the roster half way through the season. If you call that starting then more power to you."</p>


Well technically, he was the starter at MLBfrom the GB game on, even if it was by default. In those games he started we went 7-2 (3-2 in reg season, 4-0 in playoffs).</p>


</p>

my point is that u can't say he earned his playing time then say he won the starting job by default....

burier
03-02-2012, 03:07 PM
first off let me say that I forgot Herzlich got injured that week too and that was also part of the reason Blackburn was signed. But regardless that doesn't effect my argument because he still wasn't a starter on defense.

Well like you said, for what we ask out of our MLB in Fewell's defense he showed that its his spot to lose. And that wasn't your initial argument. Your intial argument was that he really WASNT the starter last year.

Well if your using my logic, then use to completely. Because as we got a lucky break in that 49ers game, we had plenty of ****ty breaks go against us on the year. Its just the way it goe sin my eyes.* So the 9-7 thing doesn't bother me when I factor in the injuries and the bad breaks we got.* I may be the one saying we got a lucky break vs the 9ers but YOUR the one harping on it and basically changing the meaning of the point I make when I say it.

You seem to think that because a team gets a lucky break that they aren't as good as they are.* It was a lucky play that bounced our way, i've alwyas maintained that it was a pretty balanced game and we played just as good as them.* Regardless - losing in the NFC Championship may leave a bad taste in your mouth* but it wouldn't be a knock on how good your team is.

Na, i blame the refs. Thats where we differ.* Ballard was a TD, by no other example in the NFL can u show me a similiar play to Jenning's TD being called a TD, and Driver stepped out of bounds right in front of my face because I was at that game (Thanks Dezz) before he caught that TD.* It was two top level teams playing football with 3 bad calls which effected 18 points total in a 3 point game that all went against us. Don't get me started on the inconsistency of the defensive illegal contact and PI.

And lets get something clear, being 10-6 with knocking off the undefeated team all-galaxy Packers would of cast a completely different view of who our team was. YES that one game.

And we've definitly had bad calls against us all season. They may not of effected the games, the 49ers one just happened to bounce our way at the end of the game. But the fact that we played so good that whole game is a testament. It was an unforced turnover that changed the complete projection of the game


I don't want to talk about the starter stuff anymore because really its not the point. Because has Chase started from week 1 I'd still say that we need an upgrade.

I saw Ballards catch. When I saw the replay I thought he was out. I wasn't until that still came out where I felt like they got it wrong.

So to me I'm not gonna say we lost the game because of that play.

As far as the other play...we didn't even do anything. We didn't even cover the guy and I'm supposed to cry because the refs didn't come bail us out for lack of execution???? Nah. We look at football very differently you and I.

like for instance you think Chase blackburn is a good player. I think Chase Blackburn is a marginal player.

You thin Justin Tuck cherry picking what games he wants to play is fine. I think its reprehensible.

You think Chris Canty cherry picking which downs he wants to play is fine. I think that's equally reprehensible.

You think winning a SB is a good reason for a 9-7 team to stand pat. I think you should be doing everything in your power to get better regarless an especially when you lose at home to Seattle and you get swept by Washington.


You think pointing fingers at refs is an acceptable excuse for losing. I see no excuse to lose.

Okay and then you also see no excuse for another team to lose and your just taking the 49ers game as a win and thats that. So keep your arguments with that mind set.

Don't start half quoting me to make points on the 49ers games but then ignore my points on the Packers game. MY reasoning and though process are consistent in both cases. Whether its right or wrong is a different argument


My only point about the 9ers game is that you saying it came down to luck is even more reason to want to improve the team.

My reasoning for improving the team has to do with the fact that 31 other teams are trying to get better so we better do the same.

well thats an awful philosophy...

first if we both agree you should always look to improve your team while keeping the future in mind (i would hope we agre eon that)

But to say because we played in a tight close game and didn't blow a team out and had a lucky bounce go our way is a reason for even more change is kind of ridiculous.

And not for nothing, the defense did its part that game so improving the LBer positions isn't really a good reason.* Our offensive line and running backs were the reason it was so close, everywhere else did their thing.* Even Vernon Davis's TDs were breakdowns with the secondary.




You're not taking ownership of your own philosophy. You say we needed luck to win a game but you want that be a some sort of candyland position that holds no weight.

If we got lucky then we werent good enough to win and that should be addressed.

I'd also like to keep in mind that I don't believe that we got lucky. I believe we were the better team and justly won the football game.

So again I feel like we're just arguing on wording.

The main issue is...if you want to improve our team you start by upgrading the linebacking corps or possibly the Oline.

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 03:12 PM
honestly are you high or something today?

You referenced going by logic with the 49ers game, then dropped that logic when talking about the rest of the season....

I said it was a lucky play that decided that game but we played a pretty much even game.

PLENTY of teams have gotten lucky wins, are you under hte impression that luck doesn't play a role in deciding football games or something?

Im sorry but a ball grazing a players knee on a punt unforced has nothing to do with how well we played and that was the deciding play of that game. It gave us the opportunity and field position to score. I'm sorry but we weren't moving the ball on San Fran, it was a lucky break for us and we capitalized on it

GameTime
03-02-2012, 03:18 PM
honestly are you high or something today?

You referenced going by logic with the 49ers game, then dropped that logic when talking about the rest of the season....

I said it was a lucky play that decided that game but we played a pretty much even game.

PLENTY of teams have gotten lucky wins, are you under hte impression that luck doesn't play a role in deciding football games or something?

Im sorry but a ball grazing a players knee on a punt unforced has nothing to do with how well we played and that was the deciding play of that game. It gave us the opportunity and field position to score. I'm sorry but we weren't moving the ball on San Fran, it was a lucky break for us and we capitalized on it
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sorry to but in here...</P>


a good punt made the catching the punt not an option then the player got too close to a ball he should havent even been near. His fault and a bad play on his part lead to the ball hitting his leg. It less luck and more a poor judgement play on thereturner.</P>


The Giants did capitalize on it as they should have. Also every championship run has luck involved so I do agree there. </P>

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 03:35 PM
honestly are you high or something today?

You referenced going by logic with the 49ers game, then dropped that logic when talking about the rest of the season....

I said it was a lucky play that decided that game but we played a pretty much even game.

PLENTY of teams have gotten lucky wins, are you under hte impression that luck doesn't play a role in deciding football games or something?

Im sorry but a ball grazing a players knee on a punt unforced has nothing to do with how well we played and that was the deciding play of that game. It gave us the opportunity and field position to score. I'm sorry but we weren't moving the ball on San Fran, it was a lucky break for us and we capitalized on it
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sorry to but in here...</p>


a good punt made the catching the punt not an option then the player got too close to a ball he should havent even been near. His fault and a bad play on his part lead to the ball hitting his leg. It less luck and more a poor judgement play on thereturner.</p>


The Giants did capitalize on it as they should have. Also every championship run has luck involved so I do agree there. </p>

it was the player not getting out of the way of the ball like he should of. It was an unforced turnover. We could of easily NOT capitalized on it but we did.

Im of the mindset if we don't get that turnover then, we most likely don't tie the game to send it into OT and that we really didn't do anything to force that turnover. It was just a boneheaded play by that kid

GameTime
03-02-2012, 03:43 PM
honestly are you high or something today?

You referenced going by logic with the 49ers game, then dropped that logic when talking about the rest of the season....

I said it was a lucky play that decided that game but we played a pretty much even game.

PLENTY of teams have gotten lucky wins, are you under hte impression that luck doesn't play a role in deciding football games or something?

Im sorry but a ball grazing a players knee on a punt unforced has nothing to do with how well we played and that was the deciding play of that game. It gave us the opportunity and field position to score. I'm sorry but we weren't moving the ball on San Fran, it was a lucky break for us and we capitalized on it
</P>


sorry to but in here...</P>


a good punt made the catching the punt not an option then the player got too close to a ball he should havent even been near. His fault and a bad play on his part lead to the ball hitting his leg. It less luck and more a poor judgement play on thereturner.</P>


The Giants did capitalize on it as they should have. Also every championship run has luck involved so I do agree there. </P>




it was the player not getting out of the way of the ball like he should of. It was an unforced turnover. We could of easily NOT capitalized on it but we did.

Im of the mindset if we don't get that turnover then, we most likely don't tie the game to send it into OT and that we really didn't do anything to force that turnover. It was just a boneheaded play by that kid
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Kyle Williams was not guily of NOT getting out of the way he was actually running towards a ball he had no need to run to. Is his bad play "luck"??? Was the forced fumble luck then too??</P>


You said it yourself it was a boneheaded play......</P>

PRFan
03-02-2012, 04:29 PM
The guy was cut for a reason. Should he be in camp? Yes!
Should the Giants give him a guaranteed contract? No!

MattMeyerBud
03-02-2012, 04:33 PM
honestly are you high or something today?

You referenced going by logic with the 49ers game, then dropped that logic when talking about the rest of the season....

I said it was a lucky play that decided that game but we played a pretty much even game.

PLENTY of teams have gotten lucky wins, are you under hte impression that luck doesn't play a role in deciding football games or something?

Im sorry but a ball grazing a players knee on a punt unforced has nothing to do with how well we played and that was the deciding play of that game. It gave us the opportunity and field position to score. I'm sorry but we weren't moving the ball on San Fran, it was a lucky break for us and we capitalized on it
</p>


sorry to but in here...</p>


a good punt made the catching the punt not an option then the player got too close to a ball he should havent even been near. His fault and a bad play on his part lead to the ball hitting his leg. It less luck and more a poor judgement play on thereturner.</p>


The Giants did capitalize on it as they should have. Also every championship run has luck involved so I do agree there. </p>




it was the player not getting out of the way of the ball like he should of. It was an unforced turnover. We could of easily NOT capitalized on it but we did.

Im of the mindset if we don't get that turnover then, we most likely don't tie the game to send it into OT and that we really didn't do anything to force that turnover. It was just a boneheaded play by that kid
</p>


Kyle Williams was not guily of NOT getting out of the way he was actually running towards a ball he had no need to run to. Is his bad play "luck"??? Was the forced fumble luck then too??</p>


You said it yourself it was a boneheaded play......</p>

he shoud of never been anywhere near that ball

if roles were reversed would and lets say BLACKMON did that, would u be saying "It wasn't Blackmons fault, it was a good punt". I highly doubt it

And even within his bad play, we're lucky he had his head up his *** and that the ball BARELY grazed his knee.

No, the forced fumble was FORCED. Hence, we did something to cause it. Thats something different

GameTime
03-02-2012, 07:07 PM
honestly are you high or something today?

You referenced going by logic with the 49ers game, then dropped that logic when talking about the rest of the season....

I said it was a lucky play that decided that game but we played a pretty much even game.

PLENTY of teams have gotten lucky wins, are you under hte impression that luck doesn't play a role in deciding football games or something?

Im sorry but a ball grazing a players knee on a punt unforced has nothing to do with how well we played and that was the deciding play of that game. It gave us the opportunity and field position to score. I'm sorry but we weren't moving the ball on San Fran, it was a lucky break for us and we capitalized on it
</P>


sorry to but in here...</P>


a good punt made the catching the punt not an option then the player got too close to a ball he should havent even been near. His fault and a bad play on his part lead to the ball hitting his leg. It less luck and more a poor judgement play on thereturner.</P>


The Giants did capitalize on it as they should have. Also every championship run has luck involved so I do agree there. </P>




it was the player not getting out of the way of the ball like he should of. It was an unforced turnover. We could of easily NOT capitalized on it but we did.

Im of the mindset if we don't get that turnover then, we most likely don't tie the game to send it into OT and that we really didn't do anything to force that turnover. It was just a boneheaded play by that kid
</P>


Kyle Williams was not guily of NOT getting out of the way he was actually running towards a ball he had no need to run to. Is his bad play "luck"??? Was the forced fumble luck then too??</P>


You said it yourself it was a boneheaded play......</P>




he shoud of never been anywhere near that ball

if roles were reversed would and lets say BLACKMON did that, would u be saying "It wasn't Blackmons fault, it was a good punt". I highly doubt it

And even within his bad play, we're lucky he had his head up his *** and that the ball BARELY grazed his knee.

No, the forced fumble was FORCED. Hence, we did something to cause it. Thats something different
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I woudl totaly say his fault. Thats exactly what I am saying...</P>


you brought the "luck" aspect of that play and I was pointing out that Wlliams made a terrible judgment call and he forced the bad play. It was not luck. Whats the dif if the ball hits him squzre in the chest or "barely" grazed him!! Touching is touching. You dont "almost" fumble!!! The Giants may not have caused the bad play but he did so its not luck.</P>


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miked1958
03-02-2012, 09:38 PM
This is profane! I don't care how promising the young talent looks......this guy came back after being cut, and helped solidify the defense for a 2nd title. Just like people have made claims that we are spoiled with Eli at QB and how we have treated him over the years........I feel the same could appy here. We are not content with a guy that works his tail off, gives us 120%, comes at our beckon call after we cut him at the beginning of the season to make room for the YOUNG GUYS. Chase deserves his shot, and he deserves a contract, not a huge contract, but a decent one that can pay the bills. Have you heard this guys story after we cut him? He was doing the mister-mom thing, trying to get a math teacher's job......does this sound like somebody thats going to crab about getting big time $$$? DO THE RIGHT THING REESE!!Agree

miked1958
03-02-2012, 09:40 PM
While teammates Terrell Thomas and Dominik Hixon have contract negotiations going on with Big Blue, Chase has not heard from the Giants at all.</P>



The requests continue to flow in, one after another as if there’s not enough of Chase Blackburn to go around.“It’s been ridiculous, actually,’’ Richard Katz, Blackburn’s agent, told The Post Thursday. “He’s a pretty popular guy. His tale is an incredible tale.’’The question is whether that tale ended with Blackburn starting at middle linebacker for the Giants in Super Bowl XLVI or continues into the 2012 season. The NFL free-agency signing period begins March 13 and the Giants haven’t even contacted Katz, haven’t expressed any interest in re-signing Blackburn, who was one of a handful of players who shined brightest of all during the improbable Super Bowl run.</P>


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I think this is unfair to Chase, considering what he did for us, but it is a business, and we can definitely upgade the position. </P>


Herzlich, Jones and possible Goff if healthy and resigned are going to battle it out. Maybe they get s stud MLB in the draft like Dont'a Hightower.</P>Who was the other player on here that has had no contact with giants since the parade? I think it was MM