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TheKraken
03-02-2012, 05:15 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82757bcd/article/nfl-says-saints-created-bounty-program-from-20092011

Goodel's gonna bring down the hammer. I never liked the Saints, so good for them.

ibbill
03-02-2012, 06:39 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82757bcd/article/nfl-says-saints-created-bounty-program-from-20092011

Goodel's gonna bring down the hammer. I never liked the Saints, so good for them.
First off its bull crap what NO did but.
Goodel took real football out of the game so the players figured a way to get around it and help each other with paying the fines they get.

Voldamort
03-02-2012, 06:40 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82757bcd/article/nfl-says-saints-created-bounty-program-from-20092011

Goodel's gonna bring down the hammer. I never liked the Saints, so good for them. I wish but they will sweep it under the rug!!

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 06:58 PM
Pat Kirwan ? @PatKirwanCBS Reply Retweet Favorite Open
There could be lawsuits to follow by players injured in games against the Saints during the 2009-11 seasons.Lawers have been texting me

barran21
03-02-2012, 07:06 PM
http://i.imgur.com/0kNjW.png

GmenFan1980
03-02-2012, 07:10 PM
So i guess people were right to call them a dirty team lol.

Redeyejedi
03-02-2012, 07:20 PM
Joe Staley ? @jstaley74 Reply Retweet Favorite Open
Just seeing all the reports about the Saints D. I knew there was something fishy about getting punched in the face during our playoff game

bELIeve_in_Giants
03-02-2012, 07:40 PM
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I was just going to ask this. I'm stumbling into this story, are Saints the only team in question right now?

jjj45
03-02-2012, 07:54 PM
I always had a feeling that Sean Payton was dirty. Now I know.

RoanokeFan
03-02-2012, 08:06 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82757bcd/article/nfl-says-saints-created-bounty-program-from-20092011

Goodel's gonna bring down the hammer. I never liked the Saints, so good for them.
First off its bull crap what NO did but.
Goodel took real football out of the game so the players figured a way to get around it and help each other with paying the fines they get.

You can't be serious

bELIeve_in_Giants
03-02-2012, 08:12 PM
Peyton's problems originated with a hit from the Redskins during the Greg Williams days. Have to wonder if there was extra incentive there.

ibbill
03-02-2012, 08:15 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82757bcd/article/nfl-says-saints-created-bounty-program-from-20092011

Goodel's gonna bring down the hammer. I never liked the Saints, so good for them.
First off its bull crap what NO did but.
Goodel took real football out of the game so the players figured a way to get around it and help each other with paying the fines they get.

You can't be serious


Players chip in and help other players with fines.
There is not a player in the league that does not tackle a guy and hit him as hard as he can so he dont get up right away.

GmenFan1980
03-02-2012, 08:20 PM
Peyton's problems originated with a hit from the Redskins during the Greg Williams days.* Have to wonder if there was extra incentive there.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/football-insider/post/new-orleans-saints-had-bounty-system-that-paid-for-injuring-opponents-nfl-announces/2012/03/02/gIQAPNDDnR_blog.html

Gregg Williams is just a dirty DC i guess. Hope the Rams enjoy him :/

GmenFan1980
03-02-2012, 08:23 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82757bcd/article/nfl-says-saints-created-bounty-program-from-20092011

Goodel's gonna bring down the hammer. I never liked the Saints, so good for them.
First off its bull crap what NO did but.
Goodel took real football out of the game so the players figured a way to get around it and help each other with paying the fines they get.

You can't be serious


Players chip in and help other players with fines.

I believe he was questioning you on saying injuring other players is real football.

RoanokeFan
03-02-2012, 08:24 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82757bcd/article/nfl-says-saints-created-bounty-program-from-20092011

Goodel's gonna bring down the hammer. I never liked the Saints, so good for them.
First off its bull crap what NO did but.
Goodel took real football out of the game so the players figured a way to get around it and help each other with paying the fines they get.

You can't be serious


Players chip in and help other players with fines.

That's not the issue here. The issue is that there is a bounty placed on opposing players and you seem to be attributing that to the fact that the Commissioner has tried, with the Union, to make the game safer for players and you don't see anything wrong with that

RoanokeFan
03-02-2012, 08:26 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82757bcd/article/nfl-says-saints-created-bounty-program-from-20092011

Goodel's gonna bring down the hammer. I never liked the Saints, so good for them.
First off its bull crap what NO did but.
Goodel took real football out of the game so the players figured a way to get around it and help each other with paying the fines they get.

You can't be serious


Players chip in and help other players with fines.

I believe he was questioning you on saying injuring other players is real football.

Injuring them FOR MONEY to be precise

RoanokeFan
03-02-2012, 08:26 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82757bcd/article/nfl-says-saints-created-bounty-program-from-20092011

Goodel's gonna bring down the hammer. I never liked the Saints, so good for them.
First off its bull crap what NO did but.
Goodel took real football out of the game so the players figured a way to get around it and help each other with paying the fines they get.

You can't be serious


Players chip in and help other players with fines.

I believe he was questioning you on saying injuring other players is real football.

Injuring them FOR MONEY to be precise

ibbill
03-02-2012, 08:29 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82757bcd/article/nfl-says-saints-created-bounty-program-from-20092011

Goodel's gonna bring down the hammer. I never liked the Saints, so good for them.
First off its bull crap what NO did but.
Goodel took real football out of the game so the players figured a way to get around it and help each other with paying the fines they get.

You can't be serious


Players chip in and help other players with fines.

I believe he was questioning you on saying injuring other players is real football.


oops I apologize I should have worded it different thanks for the heads up,

giantyankee1976
03-02-2012, 08:43 PM
Always felt like Gregg Williams was low class...and the *** hat proved it.

nhpgiantsfan
03-02-2012, 08:47 PM
The players may have been putting up the money but the article says it was administered by Greg Williams. That means it was supported by the coaches. Both Williams and Payton should be suspended. This is unacceptable. Good luck Spags with that mess you just inherited.

If Suh gets two games for stomping on a players arm, what should the coaches get who are encouraging guys to hurt other players. They should be punished.

egyptian420
03-02-2012, 09:05 PM
WOOW...I lost the very little respect I had left for this team....F### the saints for life

bLuereverie
03-02-2012, 09:12 PM
I think it's beyond stupid. We all know hitlists exist for every team, but why would an NFL player find extra incentive in $1k to possibly lay an illegal hit they know would land them a $25k fine.

galaxy10
03-02-2012, 09:13 PM
Been watching the story on the NFL channel and ESPN. Does anyone know Greg Williams background? Did he ever play football? I for one am appalled at the story. You don't go out to hurt a guy, you play hard, tough and within the rules. I used to play and that's what I taught my son. What ever happened to sportsmanship? Is it a thing of the past? I just don't get it. I really don't want to hear that it is a tough sport, you play within the rules. Trying to hurt a guy, give me a break. There should be stiff penalties across the board.

ibbill
03-02-2012, 09:20 PM
Been watching the story on the NFL channel and ESPN. Does anyone know Greg Williams background? Did he ever play football? I for one am appalled at the story. You don't go out to hurt a guy, you play hard, tough and within the rules. I used to play and that's what I taught my son. What ever happened to sportsmanship? Is it a thing of the past? I just don't get it. I really don't want to hear that it is a tough sport, you play within the rules. Trying to hurt a guy, give me a break. There should be stiff penalties across the board.


49 ER's NYG Eli got up looking threw his ear hole a few times We all know the 49ers would never do that on purpose or try and hurt him. God forbid.

galaxy10
03-02-2012, 09:26 PM
Been watching the story on the NFL channel and ESPN. Does anyone know Greg Williams background? Did he ever play football? I for one am appalled at the story. You don't go out to hurt a guy, you play hard, tough and within the rules. I used to play and that's what I taught my son. What ever happened to sportsmanship? Is it a thing of the past? I just don't get it. I really don't want to hear that it is a tough sport, you play within the rules. Trying to hurt a guy, give me a break. There should be stiff penalties across the board.


49 ER's NYG Eli got up looking threw his ear hole a few times We all know the 49ers would never do that on purpose or try and hurt him. God forbid.


Yeah, I thought that was a cheap shot. Just because some players play dirty does not mean its acceptable for the sport. There should have been a flag thrown on that play. The reason why I like the Giants so much is that they have class and play with class. Just watched Diehl on ESPN and he pretty much said the same thing I am saying. I only played high school and college ball, but there are a lot of guys who think like me. I am glad that there are pro players who play with class, those are the ones I want my son to emulate.

ibbill
03-02-2012, 09:30 PM
Been watching the story on the NFL channel and ESPN. Does anyone know Greg Williams background? Did he ever play football? I for one am appalled at the story. You don't go out to hurt a guy, you play hard, tough and within the rules. I used to play and that's what I taught my son. What ever happened to sportsmanship? Is it a thing of the past? I just don't get it. I really don't want to hear that it is a tough sport, you play within the rules. Trying to hurt a guy, give me a break. There should be stiff penalties across the board.


49 ER's NYG Eli got up looking threw his ear hole a few times We all know the 49ers would never do that on purpose or try and hurt him. God forbid.


Yeah, I thought that was a cheap shot. Just because some players play dirty does not mean its acceptable for the sport. There should have been a flag thrown on that play. The reason why I like the Giants so much is that they have class and play with class. Just watched Diehl on ESPN and he pretty much said the same thing I am saying. I only played high school and college ball, but there are a lot of guys who think like me. I am glad that there are pro players who play with class, those are the ones I want my son to emulate.

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RagTime Blue
03-02-2012, 09:33 PM
I think that variations of this kind of system of pay-for-hit have been in the league for a long time.

The problem is that it seems in THIS instance, the team in question was warned about it AND culpability appears to go fairly high up the organizational ladder.

RoanokeFan
03-02-2012, 09:34 PM
Listening to Pat Kirwan on SIRIUS earlier, he opined this may just be the tip of the iceberg. A foremer Redskins player, now in the front office, acknowledged the practice when Williams was there.

Depending on how widespread this is, meaning how many teams are involved, someone may/should get banned.

According to Kirwan, the NFL has been investigating these allegations for quite some time and now believe they have enough information to move forward with the penalty phase. Williams has acknowledged the practice and apologized. Part of his apology included his admission that "we knew it was wrong."

ibbill
03-02-2012, 09:35 PM
I think it's beyond stupid. We all know hitlists exist for every team, but why would an NFL player find extra incentive in $1k to possibly lay an illegal hit they know would land them a $25k fine.

Sounds stupid it is stupid.

I know this that next Falcons N.O. game there will be some Falcon head hunters for Brees running up the score on them.

It is one of the most violent games around.You rub a teams nose into it human nature will come into play and they will get even. Thats a fact.

RoanokeFan
03-02-2012, 09:45 PM
I think it's beyond stupid. We all know hitlists exist for every team, but why would an NFL player find extra incentive in $1k to possibly lay an illegal hit they know would land them a $25k fine.

Sounds stupid it is stupid.

I know this that next Falcons N.O. game there will be some Falcon head hunters for Brees running up the score on them.

It is one of the most violent games around.You rub a teams nose into it human nature will come into play and they will get even. Thats a fact.


I understand players "getting even" for a perceived cheap shot. But organized bounty hunting?

ajd121
03-02-2012, 09:52 PM
Could this be the Second Time in a row we win a Super Bowl and end up with the 31st pick?

ibbill
03-02-2012, 09:53 PM
I think it's beyond stupid. We all know hitlists exist for every team, but why would an NFL player find extra incentive in $1k to possibly lay an illegal hit they know would land them a $25k fine.

Sounds stupid it is stupid.

I know this that next Falcons N.O. game there will be some Falcon head hunters for Brees running up the score on them.

*It is one of the most* violent games around.You rub a teams nose into it human nature will come into play and they will get even.* Thats a fact.


I understand players "getting even" for a perceived cheap shot.* But organized bounty hunting?

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Seems like organized bounty has be going on a long time by a lot of teams. According to a few tweets I have read by X players.

Favre indicated that it's nothing new for players to try to hurt each other.

"Said or unsaid, guys do it anyway," Favre said. "If they can drill you and get you out, they will."

bLuereverie
03-02-2012, 10:01 PM
I think it's beyond stupid. We all know hitlists exist for every team, but why would an NFL player find extra incentive in $1k to possibly lay an illegal hit they know would land them a $25k fine.

Sounds stupid it is stupid.

I know this that next Falcons N.O. game there will be some Falcon head hunters for Brees running up the score on them.

*It is one of the most* violent games around.You rub a teams nose into it human nature will come into play and they will get even.* Thats a fact.


Hit Lists exist for every team on every week.
i.e. Kyle Williams, Jermichael's name on a lockerroom chalk board, public predictions of pounding Brady

There is a big difference between wanting to hurt a player and wanting to injure them.

In a contact sport, you want to impose your will and dominate a player physically. You want them hurt.

Wanting players injured is talking about compromising their careers and livelihood.

It's a fine line in semantics but a huge difference in action. That difference is in how you go about it. I recall a lot of people praising 7 knocked out QBs as if it were an official stat, which is fine because they were the byproduct of legal hits.

The Saints on the other hand were dumb enough to create a system that was blatantly against the rules, were warned about but still continued to operate it.

bLuereverie
03-02-2012, 10:02 PM
Could this be the Second Time in a row we win a Super Bowl and end up with the 31st pick?


No because the Saints traded this year's first rounder for Ingram last year.

tonyt830
03-02-2012, 10:19 PM
What a piece of low life garbage Greg Williams is. Sean Payton is not much better. Look where Williams is now, with Jeff Fisher and the Rams. Fisher and Williams have been buds since their days together with the Titans. And we all know that the Titans have been known to be dirty in the past.</P>


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So now, watch out for the Rams D. Maybe not much so though, since Williams will be under the microscope from this point on. </P>


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I remember when Fisher's name was mentioned on these boards to be our next head coach when Coughlin was going to be fired etc etc. The Giants are a class organization. I'm sure noone would want Fisher and that ****** bag Williams in our organization.</P>


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And to think, all of the sob stories after Katrina and how Sean Payton, Drew Brees and the organization gave that nasty dirty *** city hope! All I can say is karma is a *****. It will come back to haunt all those that were part of this inexcusable and dirty tactic!</P>

M0rbid
03-02-2012, 10:32 PM
I knew along the Saints were dirty **** especially when they faced the Giants. And now, they won't get away with it next season.

jjj45
03-02-2012, 10:34 PM
I knew along the Saints were dirty **** especially when they faced the Giants. And now, they won't get away with it next season.
yeah they are complete slime.

M0rbid
03-02-2012, 10:38 PM
Now I'm hearing........Titans (Greg Williams) had bounty on Peyton Manning. You gotta wonder if they had a bounty on certain Giants player.

cornerback30
03-02-2012, 10:56 PM
Pat Kirwan ? @PatKirwanCBS Reply Retweet Favorite Open
There could be lawsuits to follow by players injured in games against the Saints during the 2009-11 seasons.Lawers have been texting meI hope it does happen like you said,plus Goodell needs to step in and make an example out of them.Can't stand the Aints

swimeasy
03-02-2012, 10:58 PM
Listening to Pat Kirwan on SIRIUS earlier, he opined this may just be the tip of the iceberg. A foremer Redskins player, now in the front office, acknowledged the practice when Williams was there.

Depending on how widespread this is, meaning how many teams are involved, someone may/should get banned.

According to Kirwan, the NFL has been investigating these allegations for quite some time and now believe they have enough information to move forward with the penalty phase. Williams has acknowledged the practice and apologized. Part of his apology included his admission that "we knew it was wrong."


Thanks Roanoke. Hoping this is not the end of the consequences for Williams or the Saints as the NFL enters the penalty phase. This is truly vile.

swimeasy
03-02-2012, 11:00 PM
Pat Kirwan ? @PatKirwanCBS Reply Retweet Favorite Open
There could be lawsuits to follow by players injured in games against the Saints during the 2009-11 seasons.Lawers have been texting meI hope it does happen like you said,plus Goodell needs to step in and make an example out of them.Can't stand the Aints


Just had the same thoughts. The NFL will not want to be implicated as doing too little once the civil suits start flying.

ny06
03-02-2012, 11:04 PM
Now the question has to be what will the commissioner do to penalize the Saints?</P>


Major fines and draft picks will be taken without question. But is that enough? Not by a long shot if you ask me. </P>


Can you prevent them from signing potential free agents?</P>


Do you suspend players for 4 games or less in the upcoming season?</P>


Should Greg Williams be able to be employed by the NFL? (Rams)</P>


Whatever Goodell decides to do I expect it to be severe and swift...</P>


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allentown PA
03-02-2012, 11:12 PM
Now the question has to be what will the commissioner do to penalize the Saints?</P>


Major fines and draft picks will be taken without question. But is that enough? Not by a long shot if you ask me. </P>


Can you prevent them from signing potential free agents?</P>


Do you suspend players for 4 games or less in the upcoming season?</P>


Should Greg Williams be able to be employed by the NFL? (Rams)</P>


Whatever Goodell decides to do I expect it to be severe and swift...</P>


*</P>

thats a sick sig ny06

M0rbid
03-02-2012, 11:13 PM
If I'm Brees, I'd demand a trade because teams are going to target him LOL.

RagTime Blue
03-03-2012, 04:30 AM
Now the question has to be what will the commissioner do to penalize the Saints?</p>


Major fines and draft picks will be taken without question. But is that enough? Not by a long shot if you ask me. </p>


Can you prevent them from signing potential free agents?</p>


Do you suspend players for 4 games or less in the upcoming season?</p>


Should Greg Williams be able to be employed by the NFL? (Rams)</p>


Whatever Goodell decides to do I expect it to be severe and swift...</p>


</p>

I think there will be suspensions of coaches and any (non-player) team personnel who allowed this to happen.

HNIC420
03-03-2012, 05:23 AM
Jeff Fishers mentor was Buddy Ryan. Both Greg Williams and Jim Schwartz come from the Jeff Fisher coaching tree. Albert Haynesworth stomping Andre Gurode's head happened under Jeff Fishers watch. Makes me wonder about Jeff Fisher.

giantyankee1976
03-03-2012, 09:53 AM
Jeff Fishers mentor was Buddy Ryan.* Both Greg Williams and Jim Schwartz come from the Jeff Fisher coaching tree.* Albert Haynesworth stomping Andre Gurode's head happened under Jeff Fishers watch.* Makes me wonder about Jeff Fisher.*


apples rarely fall far from the tree.

I'm glad we have the Parcells Tree though. (I still like Belicheck regardless, and Cromel)

Sean Payton (Parcells Tree) has lost much of my respect with his running-up of scores however.

This latest blight kind of seals the deal. screw him and the Ain'ts. (Not that I like the Falcons or the Bucs either- hate the entire NFLS to be honest, and the West...)

jhamburg
03-03-2012, 01:47 PM
Can someone explain to me how risking a $25,000 fine to make $1,500 makes financial sense?

buffyblue
03-03-2012, 02:48 PM
It is not so much about the money bitself as it is more about winning the pool that has the money in it.

Buddy Ryan did this back in the day too.

I doubt the NFL will come down on Greg Williams as hard as they should. The guy should be suspended without pay for a year and if Sean Peyton knew about it, which I am sure that he did then he should be suspended without pay along with him. Either that or have the players that were injured due to the cheap and late hits they promoted have some private time with them and see how they like it.

The NFL never came down on their little golden boy Mike Shannahan when he kept encouraging his O-line in Denver Broncos to keep leg whipping even after it was deemed illegal.

Make no mistake folks, the bounty stuff is 100 times worse than any type of filming of practices that Bill Bellichek ever authorized.