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BlueBlitzer
03-03-2012, 06:26 PM
One of their coaches supposedly was rewarding players ( Or so I heard on Sirius this morning )

BlueBlitzer
03-03-2012, 06:42 PM
Well now, it seems Greg Williams was paying out " Do- Ray - Me " for cart-offs and " Kill Shots " ( Knocked out of the game ) when He was with the Redskins. And continuing the same Bountys with the Saints. ( Hell even Vilma got into the act putting up 10,000 of His own Jack ).

GiantsInTheNFCEast
03-04-2012, 07:27 PM
One of their coaches supposedly was rewarding players ( Or so I heard on Sirius this morning )

No biggie. Buddy Ryan was accused in the 80's for the same thing

jhamburg
03-04-2012, 11:11 PM
One of their coaches supposedly was rewarding players ( Or so I heard on Sirius this morning )

No biggie. Buddy Ryan was accused in the 80's for the same thing

This ain't the 80s. Look at everything the NFL has done in recent years to curtail player injuries. And now they find out a team was paying their players to headhunt QBs? They are going to get crucified.

THE_New_York_Giants
03-04-2012, 11:17 PM
One of their coaches supposedly was rewarding players ( Or so I heard on Sirius this morning )

No biggie. Buddy Ryan was accused in the 80's for the same thing

This ain't the 80s. Look at everything the NFL has done in recent years to curtail player injuries. And now they find out a team was paying their players to headhunt QBs? They are going to get crucified.
In the 80's, football was a man's sport almost as manly as hockey and rugby. The NFL is slowly turning into a flag football league.
Now, there is more brutality in the LFL.
This ain't the 80's. The only manly QB's are Cutler, Eli, Peyton, and Favre. The rest demand penalties. It's a great league for a bunch of wannabe men.

greenca190
03-05-2012, 02:23 AM
One of their coaches supposedly was rewarding players ( Or so I heard on Sirius this morning )

No biggie. Buddy Ryan was accused in the 80's for the same thing

This ain't the 80s. Look at everything the NFL has done in recent years to curtail player injuries. And now they find out a team was paying their players to headhunt QBs? They are going to get crucified.
In the 80's, football was a man's sport almost as manly as hockey and rugby. The NFL is slowly turning into a flag football league.
Now, there is more brutality in the LFL.
This ain't the 80's. The only manly QB's are Cutler, Eli, Peyton, and Favre. The rest demand penalties. It's a great league for a bunch of wannabe men.

Certainly, this is being painted as an issue of player safety in the media.

Does anyone here own a business? What happens when you don't make note of money that you are paying your employees? Or really, any money going in and out of the business. You get ****ed. Big time.

The Saints have been paying their players under the table in certain aspects for the last three years. Completely dismantling NFL cap regulation rules and our countries laws. This is a much bigger issue than "player safety".

I have seen plenty of Saints games over the last three years. I haven't seen any hits where I thought to myself, "it looks as if they are purposely attempting to hurt that guy". Sure, I've seen big hits, but nothing that seemed overly violent.

However, I am pretty ticked off that they feel as if they deserve an unfair advantage over other teams in the league. I'm pretty ticked off that some guys will make my monthly earnings on one big hit, and not get taxed for any of it. I think you should be too.

THE_New_York_Giants
03-05-2012, 02:43 AM
One of their coaches supposedly was rewarding players ( Or so I heard on Sirius this morning )

No biggie. Buddy Ryan was accused in the 80's for the same thing

This ain't the 80s. Look at everything the NFL has done in recent years to curtail player injuries. And now they find out a team was paying their players to headhunt QBs? They are going to get crucified.
In the 80's, football was a man's sport almost as manly as hockey and rugby. The NFL is slowly turning into a flag football league.
Now, there is more brutality in the LFL.
This ain't the 80's. The only manly QB's are Cutler, Eli, Peyton, and Favre. The rest demand penalties. It's a great league for a bunch of wannabe men.

Certainly, this is being painted as an issue of player safety in the media.

Does anyone here own a business? What happens when you don't make note of money that you are paying your employees? Or really, any money going in and out of the business. You get ****ed. Big time.

The Saints have been paying their players under the table in certain aspects for the last three years. Completely dismantling NFL cap regulation rules and our countries laws. This is a much bigger issue than "player safety".

I have seen plenty of Saints games over the last three years. I haven't seen any hits where I thought to myself, "it looks as if they are purposely attempting to hurt that guy". Sure, I've seen big hits, but nothing that seemed overly violent.

However, I am pretty ticked off that they feel as if they deserve an unfair advantage over other teams in the league. I'm pretty ticked off that some guys will make my monthly earnings on one big hit, and not get taxed for any of it. I think you should be too.
First of all, screw taxes. I do whatever I can to weasel my way out of taxes and I commend anyone who does the same. Second of all, paying money to get around the salary cap should result in SERIOUS repercussions for the team. IE ALL of their draft pics for 2 years and 10-20 mil taken away from their cap for at least 2 years. I don't care if it sends the team to the stone age. If you cheat, you should be punished severely to the point where you have to start over.

greenca190
03-05-2012, 02:48 AM
One of their coaches supposedly was rewarding players ( Or so I heard on Sirius this morning )

No biggie. Buddy Ryan was accused in the 80's for the same thing

This ain't the 80s. Look at everything the NFL has done in recent years to curtail player injuries. And now they find out a team was paying their players to headhunt QBs? They are going to get crucified.
In the 80's, football was a man's sport almost as manly as hockey and rugby. The NFL is slowly turning into a flag football league.
Now, there is more brutality in the LFL.
This ain't the 80's. The only manly QB's are Cutler, Eli, Peyton, and Favre. The rest demand penalties. It's a great league for a bunch of wannabe men.

Certainly, this is being painted as an issue of player safety in the media.

Does anyone here own a business? What happens when you don't make note of money that you are paying your employees? Or really, any money going in and out of the business. You get ****ed. Big time.

The Saints have been paying their players under the table in certain aspects for the last three years. Completely dismantling NFL cap regulation rules and our countries laws. This is a much bigger issue than "player safety".

I have seen plenty of Saints games over the last three years. I haven't seen any hits where I thought to myself, "it looks as if they are purposely attempting to hurt that guy". Sure, I've seen big hits, but nothing that seemed overly violent.

However, I am pretty ticked off that they feel as if they deserve an unfair advantage over other teams in the league. I'm pretty ticked off that some guys will make my monthly earnings on one big hit, and not get taxed for any of it. I think you should be too.
First of all, screw taxes. I do whatever I can to weasel my way out of taxes and I commend anyone who does the same. Second of all, paying money to get around the salary cap should result in SERIOUS repercussions for the team. IE ALL of their draft pics for 2 years and 10-20 mil taken away from their cap for at least 2 years. I don't care if it sends the team to the stone age. If you cheat, you should be punished severely to the point where you have to start over.

Okay, your opinion of whether you want to pay taxes or not is unnecessary here. What happens when you don't? You get in trouble. Fines, prison, etc. This is what Goodell is dealing with here - much more than just player safety.

bELIeve_in_Giants
03-05-2012, 10:04 AM
One of their coaches supposedly was rewarding players ( Or so I heard on Sirius this morning ) No biggie. Buddy Ryan was accused in the 80's for the same thing This ain't the 80s. Look at everything the NFL has done in recent years to curtail player injuries. And now they find out a team was paying their players to headhunt QBs? They are going to get crucified. In the 80's, football was a man's sport almost as manly as hockey and rugby. The NFL is slowly turning into a flag football league. Now, there is more brutality in the LFL. This ain't the 80's. The only manly QB's are Cutler, Eli, Peyton, and Favre. The rest demand penalties. It's a great league for a bunch of wannabe men. Certainly, this is being painted as an issue of player safety in the media. Does anyone here own a business? What happens when you don't make note of money that you are paying your employees? Or really, any money going in and out of the business. You get ****ed. Big time. The Saints have been paying their players under the table in certain aspects for the last three years. Completely dismantling NFL cap regulation rules and our countries laws. This is a much bigger issue than "player safety". I have seen plenty of Saints games over the last three years. I haven't seen any hits where I thought to myself, "it looks as if they are purposely attempting to hurt that guy". Sure, I've seen big hits, but nothing that seemed overly violent. However, I am pretty ticked off that they feel as if they deserve an unfair advantage over other teams in the league. I'm pretty ticked off that some guys will make my monthly earnings on one big hit, and not get taxed for any of it. I think you should be too. First of all, screw taxes. I do whatever I can to weasel my way out of taxes and I commend anyone who does the same. Second of all, paying money to get around the salary cap should result in SERIOUS repercussions for the team. IE ALL of their draft pics for 2 years and 10-20 mil taken away from their cap for at least 2 years. I don't care if it sends the team to the stone age. If you cheat, you should be punished severely to the point where you have to start over. Okay, your opinion of whether you want to pay taxes or not is unnecessary here. What happens when you don't? You get in trouble. Fines, prison, etc. This is what Goodell is dealing with here - much more than just player safety.</P>


Not only tax issues, but salary cap issues. </P>

greenca190
03-05-2012, 12:24 PM
One of their coaches supposedly was rewarding players ( Or so I heard on Sirius this morning ) No biggie. Buddy Ryan was accused in the 80's for the same thing This ain't the 80s. Look at everything the NFL has done in recent years to curtail player injuries. And now they find out a team was paying their players to headhunt QBs? They are going to get crucified. In the 80's, football was a man's sport almost as manly as hockey and rugby. The NFL is slowly turning into a flag football league. Now, there is more brutality in the LFL. This ain't the 80's. The only manly QB's are Cutler, Eli, Peyton, and Favre. The rest demand penalties. It's a great league for a bunch of wannabe men. Certainly, this is being painted as an issue of player safety in the media. Does anyone here own a business? What happens when you don't make note of money that you are paying your employees? Or really, any money going in and out of the business. You get ****ed. Big time. The Saints have been paying their players under the table in certain aspects for the last three years. Completely dismantling NFL cap regulation rules and our countries laws. This is a much bigger issue than "player safety". I have seen plenty of Saints games over the last three years. I haven't seen any hits where I thought to myself, "it looks as if they are purposely attempting to hurt that guy". Sure, I've seen big hits, but nothing that seemed overly violent. However, I am pretty ticked off that they feel as if they deserve an unfair advantage over other teams in the league. I'm pretty ticked off that some guys will make my monthly earnings on one big hit, and not get taxed for any of it. I think you should be too. First of all, screw taxes. I do whatever I can to weasel my way out of taxes and I commend anyone who does the same. Second of all, paying money to get around the salary cap should result in SERIOUS repercussions for the team. IE ALL of their draft pics for 2 years and 10-20 mil taken away from their cap for at least 2 years. I don't care if it sends the team to the stone age. If you cheat, you should be punished severely to the point where you have to start over. Okay, your opinion of whether you want to pay taxes or not is unnecessary here. What happens when you don't? You get in trouble. Fines, prison, etc. This is what Goodell is dealing with here - much more than just player safety.</P>


Not only tax issues, but salary cap issues.* </P>

Yes, as previously states.

The saints are pretty much telling Goodell to run his business right now. Prepare for them to get railed anally.

G-Men Surg.
03-05-2012, 12:49 PM
One of their coaches supposedly was rewarding players ( Or so I heard on Sirius this morning ) No biggie. Buddy Ryan was accused in the 80's for the same thing This ain't the 80s. Look at everything the NFL has done in recent years to curtail player injuries. And now they find out a team was paying their players to headhunt QBs? They are going to get crucified. In the 80's, football was a man's sport almost as manly as hockey and rugby. The NFL is slowly turning into a flag football league. Now, there is more brutality in the LFL. This ain't the 80's. The only manly QB's are Cutler, Eli, Peyton, and Favre. The rest demand penalties. It's a great league for a bunch of wannabe men. Certainly, this is being painted as an issue of player safety in the media. Does anyone here own a business? What happens when you don't make note of money that you are paying your employees? Or really, any money going in and out of the business. You get ****ed. Big time. The Saints have been paying their players under the table in certain aspects for the last three years. Completely dismantling NFL cap regulation rules and our countries laws. This is a much bigger issue than "player safety". I have seen plenty of Saints games over the last three years. I haven't seen any hits where I thought to myself, "it looks as if they are purposely attempting to hurt that guy". Sure, I've seen big hits, but nothing that seemed overly violent. However, I am pretty ticked off that they feel as if they deserve an unfair advantage over other teams in the league. I'm pretty ticked off that some guys will make my monthly earnings on one big hit, and not get taxed for any of it. I think you should be too. First of all, screw taxes. I do whatever I can to weasel my way out of taxes and I commend anyone who does the same. Second of all, paying money to get around the salary cap should result in SERIOUS repercussions for the team. IE ALL of their draft pics for 2 years and 10-20 mil taken away from their cap for at least 2 years. I don't care if it sends the team to the stone age. If you cheat, you should be punished severely to the point where you have to start over. Okay, your opinion of whether you want to pay taxes or not is unnecessary here. What happens when you don't? You get in trouble. Fines, prison, etc. This is what Goodell is dealing with here - much more than just player safety.</P>


Not only tax issues, but salary cap issues.* </P>
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/03/05/gregg.williams.ap/index.html?sct=nfl_t2_a5
The legal ramifications are brutal. This isn't going to stop with a swift punishment by the league, Goodell wants to put this deal over the rear view mirror and get over it but it will linger in so many bad ways.

NYG 5
03-05-2012, 01:19 PM
One of their coaches supposedly was rewarding players ( Or so I heard on Sirius this morning )

No biggie. Buddy Ryan was accused in the 80's for the same thing

This ain't the 80s. Look at everything the NFL has done in recent years to curtail player injuries. And now they find out a team was paying their players to headhunt QBs? They are going to get crucified.
In the 80's, football was a man's sport almost as manly as hockey and rugby. The NFL is slowly turning into a flag football league.
Now, there is more brutality in the LFL.
This ain't the 80's. The only manly QB's are Cutler, Eli, Peyton, and Favre. The rest demand penalties. It's a great league for a bunch of wannabe men.

Certainly, this is being painted as an issue of player safety in the media.

Does anyone here own a business? What happens when you don't make note of money that you are paying your employees? Or really, any money going in and out of the business. You get ****ed. Big time.

The Saints have been paying their players under the table in certain aspects for the last three years. Completely dismantling NFL cap regulation rules and our countries laws. This is a much bigger issue than "player safety".

I have seen plenty of Saints games over the last three years. I haven't seen any hits where I thought to myself, "it looks as if they are purposely attempting to hurt that guy". Sure, I've seen big hits, but nothing that seemed overly violent.

However, I am pretty ticked off that they feel as if they deserve an unfair advantage over other teams in the league. I'm pretty ticked off that some guys will make my monthly earnings on one big hit, and not get taxed for any of it. I think you should be too.
First of all, screw taxes. I do whatever I can to weasel my way out of taxes and I commend anyone who does the same. Second of all, paying money to get around the salary cap should result in SERIOUS repercussions for the team. IE ALL of their draft pics for 2 years and 10-20 mil taken away from their cap for at least 2 years. I don't care if it sends the team to the stone age. If you cheat, you should be punished severely to the point where you have to start over.

yeah, and i always make sure to do whatever i can to weasel my way out of selective service too. **** giving up my money and life for someone else

Giants Of New Jersey
03-05-2012, 01:23 PM
is there any rumor at all explaining how they found this information out or who/what started it? they have 50,000 plus pages of information!!!!

TroyArcher
03-05-2012, 01:24 PM
One of their coaches supposedly was rewarding players ( Or so I heard on Sirius this morning ) No biggie. Buddy Ryan was accused in the 80's for the same thing</P>


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Sorry but it is a biggie. My guess is Williams gets a years suspension and the Saints lose a few draft picks and are fined. In the current climate of the NFL this was not the time to get caught. Anyway I don't like the smirky Williams and Payton and there classless organization. Too bad for the Rams as they will most likely have to slip in a last second D-coordinator. </P>

Giants Of New Jersey
03-05-2012, 01:26 PM
One of their coaches supposedly was rewarding players ( Or so I heard on Sirius this morning ) No biggie. Buddy Ryan was accused in the 80's for the same thing</P>


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Sorry but it is a biggie.* My guess is Williams gets a years suspension and the Saints lose a few draft picks and are fined.* In the current climate of the NFL this was not the time to get caught.* Anyway I don't like the smirky Williams and Payton and there classless organization.* Too bad for the Rams as they will most likely have to slip in a last second D-coordinator.* </P>

If Eli got hurt on that roughing the passer or if Nicks got hurt on 1 of the 2 late hits/helmet to helmets then it would be a biggie I assume right? Supposedly, a hit from one of Greg Williams' players is what started Peyton Manning's injury..and I used the word "supposedly". Maybe that's the reason Jacobs was all up in the defense' face after he trucked roman harper...maybe they all knew they were playing dirty and trying to hurt people.

bELIeve_in_Giants
03-05-2012, 01:57 PM
is there any rumor at all explaining how they found this information out or who/what started it? they have 50,000 plus pages of information!!!!</P>


I don't know if this is what started it, but Payton was possibly emailing about it with a convicted felon who was under investigation and adding his own money to the bounties.</P>


http://deadspin.com/5890499/</P>

Giants Of New Jersey
03-05-2012, 02:26 PM
is there any rumor at all explaining how they found this information out or who/what started it? they have 50,000 plus pages of information!!!!</P>


I don't know if this is what started it, but Payton was possibly emailing about it with a convicted felon who was under investigation and adding his own money to the bounties.</P>


http://deadspin.com/5890499/</P>

wowwwwwww

Pksoze
03-05-2012, 02:43 PM
That arrogant ***** Payton may be suspended...or fired.

RoanokeFan
03-05-2012, 03:07 PM
is there any rumor at all explaining how they found this information out or who/what started it? they have 50,000 plus pages of information!!!!</p>


I don't know if this is what started it, but Payton was possibly emailing about it with a convicted felon who was under investigation and adding his own money to the bounties.</p>


http://deadspin.com/5890499/</p>

The NFL is reported to have some 18,000 documents, comprising 50,000 pages of evidence. If the email mentioned in that article is bonafide, this well may go deeper than anyone thinks. You have to wonder what Williams is now telling the NFL. He already admitted guilt and complicity in what could be proven to be a "conspiracy" like environment within the NFL if a lot of teams are involved.

ny06
03-05-2012, 03:15 PM
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/595/112/bounty_crop_340x234.jpg?1330726416</P>


Gregg Williams- Ok guys, their is alot of money to be had. Now go knock out some players...</P>


Jonathan Vilma- Ok coach, remember I put 10 thousand on the table. </P>

sharick88
03-05-2012, 04:11 PM
Dog the Bounty Hunter must be proud.

NYG 5
03-05-2012, 09:27 PM
http://cdn.bleacherreport.net/images_root/images/photos/001/595/112/bounty_crop_340x234.jpg?1330726416</p>


Gregg Williams- Ok guys, their is alot of money to be had. Now go knock out some players...</p>


Jonathan Vilma- Ok coach, remember I put 10 thousand on the table. </p>

go out there and kill Brett Favre by any means necessary, and you will become so rich that you could go back and pee on woody johnson

BlueBlitzer
03-21-2012, 05:49 PM
Too harsh ? There are things the league found out that maybe the rest of us didn't know. Payton had to get it hit hard, because it happened on His watch. Don't listen to the we all did it crowd, that is nonsense. You would never here that on a TC coached team.

miked1958
03-21-2012, 11:16 PM
Too harsh ? There are things the league found out that maybe the rest of us didn't know. Payton had to get it hit hard, because it happened on His watch. Don't listen to the we all did it crowd, that is nonsense. You would never here that on a TC coached team.
He got what he deserved.
However, with 3 coaches being suspended without pay will now allow the saints to resign brees to a long term deal. Saints fans can thank roger goodall for that

jhamburg
03-22-2012, 01:31 AM
Too harsh ? There are things the league found out that maybe the rest of us didn't know. Payton had to get it hit hard, because it happened on His watch. Don't listen to the we all did it crowd, that is nonsense. You would never here that on a TC coached team.
He got what he deserved.
However, with 3 coaches being suspended without pay will now allow the saints to resign brees to a long term deal. Saints fans can thank roger goodall for that

Coaches don't free up cap space

Cowboys Fan From Asia
03-25-2012, 05:40 PM
Hard to feel sorry for the Saints. They have some of the most obnoxious fans in the NFL.

RoanokeFan
03-25-2012, 07:57 PM
I've noticed on SIRIUS most of the talking heads are/were outraged about the discipline assessed. I've listened to one former Saints' WR wail away at Goodell suggesting he be suspended and for is making $10M a year. This player's reasoning was that if Goodell was serious, he would go after every team that had a bounty system. He continued about the lack of a full investigation.

There was no mention of the two plus year long investigation during which Saints' management, when originally confronted about the existence of the bounties, denied it existed. The NFL concluded its investigation as they did not have enough hard evidence to refute the denial.

Having dodged the bullet at that time, The Saints' owner instructed that any such program be dismantled. Mickey Loomis and Sean Payton acknowledged the instruction and never, even for a moment, considered ending the practice of offereing bounties to hurt opposing players.

Corroborating evidence eventually surfaced to the extent that is was clear that the Saint's management personnel not only encouraged the practice but helped to find it.

The chickens have come home to roost and the Saints need to look in the mirror to determine who is to blame.

I've never heard of Ornstein before reading the link provided but, if true, I'm surprised Payton hasn't been banned for life.

Joe Morrison
03-26-2012, 01:30 PM
I think the league had to do what they did but fell short and needed to take it to the next level.</P>


How about suspending every player that collected a bounty?</P>


How about a suspension for collecting a bounty and causing another player to miss games after being injured.</P>


The bounty was there, but it was the individual who made the choice to intentionaly try and take out another NFL player for money.</P>


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BlueBlitzer
05-04-2012, 01:46 PM
<FONT size=1>I would love to be a fly on the ceiling during the appeal hearing,listening to Vilma explain to the commissioner about the 10,000 smackers He put up. </FONT></P>