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giantsfan420
03-09-2012, 06:07 PM
Just finished watching top 10 pass combos of all time and Peyton to marvin was #1...

Cruz strikes me as being very similar to Marvin's game. Both sort of smaller type wr's but use their body so well and are able to work underneath and deep routes, and both could take a 5 yd catch 80 yards for a TD...

I'm not speaking in terms of breaking the records Peyton to Marvin set, I'm talking more along the dominance and ability to not be stopped...this past season was special, I see no reason why it can't be consistent for years...it also helps we got Nicks drawing coverage like Wayne did for a long portion of that Colts run...

thoughts? what similarities do you see in other combos to Eli2Cruz or even Eli2Nicks?

burier
03-09-2012, 06:26 PM
When I think of Victor Cruz Marvin Harrison doesn't come to mind.

I don't really see the similarities there.

I do think that Eli and Cruz could make hey for a bunch of years. So whatevers thats called.

calzonesays
03-09-2012, 06:48 PM
I was going to say that Cruz can be to Eli what Wes Welker is to Tom Brady but Cruz doesn't drop critical passes.

Flip Empty
03-09-2012, 08:41 PM
Not sure I see many similarities between the two. Cruz did his work out of the slot; he'd make short to mid-range grabs, make a couple of guys miss and then tear off toward the endzone.
Harrison was more of a prototypical #1 -- he lined up wide and ran deep for the most part. Nicks is far more comparable.

In terms of Eli to Cruz dominating the way Peyton to Harrison did, I'm not sure. Without Mario in there stretching coverages it remains to be seen if Cruz can have the same success.

hungrrrry
03-09-2012, 11:26 PM
I'd like to think so but we are going to need to pay him a big contract to keep him that long, ohh AND we will need to pay Nicks...we are going to have some issues!!!

NY_Eli
03-09-2012, 11:32 PM
im not sure i see the analogy. I feel like Nicks is the go to guy at this point, and he's the better route runner anyway

BigBlue1971
03-09-2012, 11:38 PM
at least to me it seemed Eli trusted Cruz more to make the big play than he did any other receiver.</P>


and Cruz responded well to that trust!</P>


Cruz was special all year but the nfc championship game he showed hes a big time player!</P>


yea i thinkEli and Cruz can hookup and be a very powerful duo!</P>

gmen0820
03-09-2012, 11:39 PM
Yup I definitely do. I have made this comparison a couple times in the Steve Smith threads we've posted in. I think we both feel Cruz has a lot more potential outside of the slot than many do, and I've said he can be similar to our Marvin Harrison (as a Z reciever). Glad you see the similarities now as well.

Flip Empty
03-10-2012, 12:05 AM
I would actually like Cruz to move out wide. Jernigan is a slot receiver through and through.

JPP
03-10-2012, 12:28 AM
at least to me it seemed Eli trusted Cruz more to make the big play than he did any other receiver.</P>


and Cruz responded well to that trust!</P>


Cruz was special all year but the nfc championship game he showed hes a big time player!</P>


yea i think*Eli and Cruz can hook*up and be a very powerful duo!*</P>

It seemed to me that it was the 1st time in a couple seasons he trusted someone other than Nicks with the big play. In my opinion it is the 2 of them that make the combination so great, and yes MM was good too but I believe we can find more 3rd WR but Nicks and Cruz are special.

BillTheGreek
03-10-2012, 01:13 AM
Wait till Cruz reaches his Prime.........Then you will see the Fire works !

giantsfan420
03-10-2012, 01:51 AM
Yup I definitely do. I have made this comparison a couple times in the Steve Smith threads we've posted in. I think we both feel Cruz has a lot more potential outside of the slot than many do, and I've said he can be similar to our Marvin Harrison (as a Z reciever). Glad you see the similarities now as well.

well to be fair, i wasn't really posting my opinion as much as trying to defend barden (i know I know...i'm starting to come around to ur reasoning on him) in that it wasn't that I didn't think Cruz would be amazing on the outside, it was just Cruz was already amazing in the slot and I hoped we could find a spot for Barden to do well in...

but I see a lot of physical similarities betweenn Cruz and Marvin, as well as playing similarities. Both were shifty, clever route runners who use an assortment of "tricks" to get open. Both are great at making difficult catches look routine. Both had 100% trust from their QB. Both could take a 5 yard out all the way as well as being a consistent deep threat.

I can't wait to see Cruz lined up out wide. To be honest that's a big part of why I want a guy like Smith as our 3rd, to ensure we could line Cruz up out wide but as well as in the slot when needed. Smith gives us that ability, because Smith can be almost as dangerous as Cruz out of the slot. Not as big a YAC threat, but a "get open and convert 1rst down" threat.

To be honest I'm kinda shocked so many failed to see the parallel between the two.

edit- plus, Indy had virtually two #1 wr's in MH and RW which is what we have in HN and VC. I could see Eli2Nicks and Eli2Cruz being two of the best passing combos in the league for years...

gmen0820
03-10-2012, 10:16 PM
well to be fair, i wasn't really posting my opinion as much as trying to defend barden (i know I know...i'm starting to come around to ur reasoning on him) in that it wasn't that I didn't think Cruz would be amazing on the outside, it was just Cruz was already amazing in the slot and I hoped we could find a spot for Barden to do well in...Oh no, I only meant you seeing the similarities with the Harrison comparison. I can tell by your recent posts that you like Cruz's potential on the outside as much as I do, I wasn't alluding to the Barden thing, I should have clarified that.

And yeah with the Marvin Harrison thing, I saw a lot of similarities in the size and I saw a Peyton Manning segment during the year, and that really made me notice the Cruz/Harrison size thing. That's why I've been posting about the Harrison comparison in a few of those Steve Smith threads because I really think Cruz can translate very well as a Z receiver with Nicks at the X receiver spot. Plus, if you have Steve Smith in the slot, we realistically have three WRs who can get open without compromising our scheme (like the Ravens for example). Our guys can just line up -- anywhere -- and ball. Add a TE (I notice Martellus Bennett in your sig), and a pass threat out of the back field and...damn.

Side note- Bennett can be an absolute steal. There were rumors that the Bengals were willing to trade a first for him in 2009. Bennett is already a devastating run blocker, so he is solid in that department, and his "inconsistent" hands can improve with consistent targets.

Harooni
03-10-2012, 10:19 PM
what batman is to robin.