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giantsfan420
03-11-2012, 04:34 PM
After his proday, people are describing his game as if he were a suped up MM.

Excellent vertical threat who can run deep patterns; go routes, posts, and ins...which is almost exactly what we used MM for.

MM wasn't a possession WR for us, he was the target we used to exploit coverages when opposing defenses went all out to stop Cruz and Nicks.

Imo, Hill could be the perfect WR to work off of Cruz and Nicks. First, on 3rd downs, we could move him outside of Cruz in the slot. That'd give Eli the ability to decipher what the d is doing, and if Hill has 1v1 coverage, can let it fly. Secondly, Hill will most likely be around when we pick, because he played in that GT triple option offense, he has really no solid foundation for teams to base an early pick on him. Third, he has top 5 talent and athleticism and size.

I'm not saying he will def. be the pick, but if Reese selects him, I will be very confident bc it will mean Reese did his homework and believes he can come in and succeed right away, which is not typical for WR's in our offense. He could be used early for us bc I'd assume with the complexity of routes Nicks and Cruz will run, Hill wont be overwhelmed with our whole offense, I'd assume KG could give him 2 simpl concepts based on the defensive coverage offof Nicks and Cruz, and let Eli make the decision to throw to him which he won't if Hill messes up.

Just throwing that out there, kind of a boring sunday, just figured I'd see where others stand on it...

giantsfan420
03-11-2012, 04:37 PM
remember, MM wasn't a consistent route runner, but he made up for it when the play did click and he ran the correct routes...he could really threaten opposing defenses to at the least, make sure Cruz or Nicks don't receive too much attention from opposing defenses, bc if they do, Hill will just fly by em

jhamburg
03-11-2012, 04:46 PM
You can't expect a guy who played in a triple option offense to come in and start right away in the NFL. I think that's a bad way to look at the draft anyway, and it's not the way we have drafted in the past. You draft for 2-3 years down the road. Which is why we're hoping Jernigan can step up this year.

TheEnigma
03-11-2012, 04:52 PM
Going from the Georgia Tech offense to Gilbride's would be a big jump so I honestly wouldn't expect him to contribute much in the passing game for the first half of the season.

What you left out in the original post is that his best ability is actually performing as a run blocker. People say he's the best run-blocking WR to come out in years so if he makes any instant impact, it would be on running plays where MAYBE you have some guys deep to account for Hill's speed.

Honestly though, I don't expect guys like him and Dontari Poe to be available at 32. They just have way too much upside to pass on once you get around the 20-25 range and you know some positional coaches are going to fall in love with this kid and lobby the GM to bring him in.

Hooligans
03-11-2012, 04:52 PM
After his proday, people are describing his game as if he were a suped up MM.

Excellent vertical threat who can run deep patterns; go routes, posts, and ins...which is almost exactly what we used MM for.

MM wasn't a possession WR for us, he was the target we used to exploit coverages when opposing defenses went all out to stop Cruz and Nicks.

Imo, Hill could be the perfect WR to work off of Cruz and Nicks. First, on 3rd downs, we could move him outside of Cruz in the slot. That'd give Eli the ability to decipher what the d is doing, and if Hill has 1v1 coverage, can let it fly. Secondly, Hill will most likely be around when we pick, because he played in that GT triple option offense, he has really no solid foundation for teams to base an early pick on him. Third, he has top 5 talent and athleticism and size.

I'm not saying he will def. be the pick, but if Reese selects him, I will be very confident bc it will mean Reese did his homework and believes he can come in and succeed right away, which is not typical for WR's in our offense. He could be used early for us bc I'd assume with the complexity of routes Nicks and Cruz will run, Hill wont be overwhelmed with our whole offense, I'd assume KG could give him 2 simpl concepts based on the defensive coverage offof Nicks and Cruz, and let Eli make the decision to throw to him which he won't if Hill messes up.

Just throwing that out there, kind of a boring sunday, just figured I'd see where others stand on it...

No rookie WR is going to replace MM right away....period. All teams face the same sort of decisions and the Giants will let Manningham and many others go as the amount of free agents will be over 700! This is the highest EVER...it is a buyers market and the Giants should let EVERY free agent go to reduce the prices even more this offseason.

rainierjef
03-11-2012, 04:52 PM
Good question.

Yes he can the route tree for the Z receiver is not as complex as the one for the Y/X

I wonder what he scored on his wonderlic test ??

that kid has straight line speed and fluid movement in cuts he can catch defenders with back shoulder fades all day

if hes there at 32 it would be interesting to see who the giants go with

Hooligans
03-11-2012, 04:55 PM
Good question.

Yes he can the route tree for the Z receiver is not as complex as the one for the Y/X
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I wonder what he scored on his wonderlic test ??

that kid has straight line speed and fluid movement in cuts he can catch defenders with back shoulder fades all day

if hes there at 32 it would be interesting to see who the giants go with


We both know the Giants will go with the best guy on the board and it will probably be some offensive lineman or yet another defensive end........and in two years we will be glad they took the guy they did.

rainierjef
03-11-2012, 05:03 PM
Good question.

Yes he can the route tree for the Z receiver is not as complex as the one for the Y/X

I wonder what he scored on his wonderlic test ??

that kid has straight line speed and fluid movement in cuts he can catch defenders with back shoulder fades all day

if hes there at 32 it would be interesting to see who the giants go with


We both know the Giants will go with the best guy on the board and it will probably be some offensive lineman or yet another defensive end........and in two years we will be glad they took the guy they did.

hey its BPA and i agree with you, but the way most mocks are shaping up the best CB's WR's DE's OL's or LB's are gone by pick 25

Hill, Fleener, Allen, L.Miller, Hightower are just some guys that are projected to fall to the 32 spot from what i'm reading, im no expert but if it were me i would build on offense this year. and the only reason he's not top 15-20 is cause of limited tape on him.

were getting back some CB's a MLB a S and a DT all due to injuries.

i just wonder whats priority on reeses board

NYG4lifeNYK
03-11-2012, 05:31 PM
Why would we take a receiver of all positions?

rainierjef
03-11-2012, 05:34 PM
Why would we take a receiver of all positions?


BPA is not exclusive to One position. i think the only position that is safe of the BPA rule is QB and not even really. if by some shot of miracles andrew luck drops to 32 lmao he would be the BPA and im sure that would be hard to pass up.

giantsfan420
03-11-2012, 05:48 PM
well i think some missed my pointinthe OP...we really only asked MM to run a few routes.

With Nicks and Cruz, for Hills rookie season, we could ask him to run 3 routes and to run them based off how teams are defending Nicks and Cruz.

A deep go route, a deep post, and a deep in...that shouldnt be too overwhelming for him. As he is here longer, more and more can be asked of him...but u got to like a guy who possesses the skillset hill has when using him as a wr off of how d's will cover nicks and cruz...if cruz gets bracketed, hill should run such and such route, if cruz gets 1v1 coverage, hill should run such and such route...see what i'm saying?

MM was not a complete wr for us, we used him to exploit defenses based on their coverage of nicks and cruz during that final 8 week span...i dont see that being too compllicated for hill coming in...

why we would draft wr? if he's the bpa and with his skill set he certainly could be that at 32, and because we lost MM

and enigma, great point about his run blocking, i forgot to add that, he was a beast at that for GT bc they require that from their wr's and place as much emphasis on that as route running lol.

again, just throwing ideas out there. i have a particular "wish list" for what we do this offseason and draft...i'm just saying, if he's still on the board when we pick at 32, and reese takes him, i'll be 100% confident reese did his hw and believes he can be a big contributor...remember JPP was very raw, very very raw...we still found ways to use him more and more as the season went along...

rainierjef
03-11-2012, 06:04 PM
well i think some missed my pointinthe OP...we really only asked MM to run a few routes.

With Nicks and Cruz, for Hills rookie season, we could ask him to run 3 routes and to run them based off how teams are defending Nicks and Cruz.

A deep go route, a deep post, and a deep in...that shouldnt be too overwhelming for him. As he is here longer, more and more can be asked of him...but u got to like a guy who possesses the skillset hill has when using him as a wr off of how d's will cover nicks and cruz...if cruz gets bracketed, hill should run such and such route, if cruz gets 1v1 coverage, hill should run such and such route...see what i'm saying?

MM was not a complete wr for us, we used him to exploit defenses based on their coverage of nicks and cruz during that final 8 week span...i dont see that being too compllicated for hill coming in...

why we would draft wr? if he's the bpa and with his skill set he certainly could be that at 32, and because we lost MM

and enigma, great point about his run blocking, i forgot to add that, he was a beast at that for GT bc they require that from their wr's and place as much emphasis on that as route running lol.

again, just throwing ideas out there. i have a particular "wish list" for what we do this offseason and draft...i'm just saying, if he's still on the board when we pick at 32, and reese takes him, i'll be 100% confident reese did his hw and believes he can be a big contributor...remember JPP was very raw, very very raw...we still found ways to use him more and more as the season went along...

thats what i'm sayin the Z route tree is not as complex as the X/Y

alau53
03-11-2012, 06:26 PM
steve hill can help the giants on special teams right away..with his great speed they'd finally have someone for kr & punt returns

juice33s
03-11-2012, 06:30 PM
I really don't think he'll be available at 32 as his stock has been sky rocketing. I guy who could be available is Baylor's Kendall Wright who would compliment Nicks and Cruz very well....I still think Fleeners our guy though

NYG4lifeNYK
03-11-2012, 06:32 PM
well i think some missed my pointinthe OP...we really only asked MM to run a few routes.

With Nicks and Cruz, for Hills rookie season, we could ask him to run 3 routes and to run them based off how teams are defending Nicks and Cruz.

A deep go route, a deep post, and a deep in...that shouldnt be too overwhelming for him. As he is here longer, more and more can be asked of him...but u got to like a guy who possesses the skillset hill has when using him as a wr off of how d's will cover nicks and cruz...if cruz gets bracketed, hill should run such and such route, if cruz gets 1v1 coverage, hill should run such and such route...see what i'm saying?

MM was not a complete wr for us, we used him to exploit defenses based on their coverage of nicks and cruz during that final 8 week span...i dont see that being too compllicated for hill coming in...

why we would draft wr? if he's the bpa and with his skill set he certainly could be that at 32, and because we lost MM

and enigma, great point about his run blocking, i forgot to add that, he was a beast at that for GT bc they require that from their wr's and place as much emphasis on that as route running lol.

again, just throwing ideas out there. i have a particular "wish list" for what we do this offseason and draft...i'm just saying, if he's still on the board when we pick at 32, and reese takes him, i'll be 100% confident reese did his hw and believes he can be a big contributor...remember JPP was very raw, very very raw...we still found ways to use him more and more as the season went along...
I got your point lol I just don't want to take another receiver [:(]


I want some ****ING LBERS... STUD LBERS... yes our group we have now along with Goff possibly coming back has potential & did a pretty nice job last season however if we had one more stud that would mean better depth


More than anything I want to solidify the O-Line... K-Mack is done I hope Brewer is the answer but we still need to revamp the trenches

giantsfan420
03-11-2012, 06:42 PM
I really don't think he'll be available at 32 as his stock has been sky rocketing. I guy who could be available is Baylor's Kendall Wright who would compliment Nicks and Cruz very well....I still think Fleeners our guy though


i'd be happy with any of those guys...k.wright is extremely tempting but i see teams taking him before s.hill...k.wright could prob do more things for us sooner and is also extremely similar in skill set to MM

RoanokeFan
03-11-2012, 07:04 PM
well i think some missed my pointinthe OP...we really only asked MM to run a few routes.

With Nicks and Cruz, for Hills rookie season, we could ask him to run 3 routes and to run them based off how teams are defending Nicks and Cruz.

A deep go route, a deep post, and a deep in...that shouldnt be too overwhelming for him. As he is here longer, more and more can be asked of him...but u got to like a guy who possesses the skillset hill has when using him as a wr off of how d's will cover nicks and cruz...if cruz gets bracketed, hill should run such and such route, if cruz gets 1v1 coverage, hill should run such and such route...see what i'm saying?

MM was not a complete wr for us, we used him to exploit defenses based on their coverage of nicks and cruz during that final 8 week span...i dont see that being too compllicated for hill coming in...

why we would draft wr? if he's the bpa and with his skill set he certainly could be that at 32, and because we lost MM

and enigma, great point about his run blocking, i forgot to add that, he was a beast at that for GT bc they require that from their wr's and place as much emphasis on that as route running lol.

again, just throwing ideas out there. i have a particular "wish list" for what we do this offseason and draft...i'm just saying, if he's still on the board when we pick at 32, and reese takes him, i'll be 100% confident reese did his hw and believes he can be a big contributor...remember JPP was very raw, very very raw...we still found ways to use him more and more as the season went along...
I got your point lol I just don't want to take another receiver [:(]


I want some ****ING LBERS... STUD LBERS... yes our group we have now along with Goff possibly coming back has potential & did a pretty nice job last season however if we had one more stud that would mean better depth


More than anything I want to solidify the O-Line... K-Mack is done I hope Brewer is the answer but we still need to revamp the trenches


Pat Kirwan (SIRIUS) was running down a mock draft and, acknowledging the GIANTS can be counted on to do a WTF (my paraphrase) draft selection suggests they will take DT Devon Still from Penn State with the # 1 pick (32nd overall).

PRFan
03-12-2012, 02:14 AM
I think Hill is a project. He's fast and tall but doesn't run routes very good and I'm not sure about his hands.Wouldn't want him in the first.