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jakegibbs
03-12-2012, 08:46 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/11/a-j-smith-chimes-in-on-the-peyton-chase/related/

Eight years ago, the Manning family made a power play aimed directly at the man who holds all of it in San Diego. The Chargers had the first pick in the 2004 draft, G.M. A.J. Smith wanted to take Eli Manning, and Manning family patriarch Archie made it clear that Eli wanted no part of the franchise.

Faced with the prospect of playing Elis older brother twice this year, with Peyton possibly joining either the Broncos or the Chiefs, Smith doesnt seem concerned.

At all.

I dont know, and I really dont care, Smith told Kevin Acee of U-T San Diego. I concentrate on the Chargers.

And then it appeared that Smith tried to make it better, until he decided to take a more subtle slap.

I do wish him the best in whatever the Manning family decides, Smith said. I dont know why you would ask me. And I dont know why anyone is asking Peyton. If you really want to know whats going on what trips hes making and where hes going to play call Archie.

Ouch.

LT_was_good
03-12-2012, 08:49 AM
Something I've always wondered -- what was the state of the Chargers in 1998? Was there any indication that, if the Colts drafted Ryan Leaf, that Peyton would have refused to play for the Chargers?

jakegibbs
03-12-2012, 08:53 AM
Something I've always wondered -- what was the state of the Chargers in 1998?* Was there any indication that, if the Colts drafted Ryan Leaf, that Peyton would have refused to play for the Chargers?


Marty was there in 98 right? Archie liked Marty so no problem.

giantsfan420
03-12-2012, 09:00 AM
he's just insanely bitter that he got praise for the trade for only a few short lived seasons, and now, well now he looks like the village idiot.

there's two reasons why Eli isn't a Charger. 1-the way AJ handled the predraft meetings with Archie and Eli; the reported story goes that Archie initially had reservations about Eli being a Charger. He had scheduled a dinner meeting with AJ to go over the best scenario for both parties. AJ discussed openly to a SD newspaper about how Eli wouldn't want to play for SD even though at that time no decision was cemented. This infuriated Archie and you combine that with how Brees was being treated and the way the organization was run, the decision to refuse playing for SD was cemented.
2-Part of the reason why Archie and the Mannings were hesitant in the first place was that if Eli was in the AFC, no situation could arise where both brothers could make it to the SB. This is why many believe Peyton will not sign with a NFC team...

AJ is butthurt that someone would refuse to play for his organization in large part due to how he runs that organization. Look at how he's handled several situations, including Brees, (how could a franchise QB be comfortable playing for him when their franchise QB at the time, Brees, was about to be kicked to the curb after being pretty dang successful) the Vincent Jackson hold out, how the treated Ladanian Tomilson, how they handled that coach I forgot his name but he was fired after going 14-2 and losing the 1rst round to a NE team...

Now that the Giants have won not one but two Super Bowls, and Eli being SB MVP of both, of course the guys going to take whatever cheap shot he can...I mean is it a surprise? Look at how he's run that organization, its full of cheap shots towards players and coaches, AJ wanted to go for the clean sweep and hit the trifecta and take a cheap shot at Dads as well...

LMFAO AJ will never get it, he might be the only GM(or owner forget which he is) in the league worse than Jerry Jones and that is saying something.

edit- looking back, with how AJ wanted nothing to do with Brees and how Eli didn't exactly start out a SB champion, whose to say he wouldn't have wanted to go in a different direction after 3 seasons with Eli?? All indications is he would have. And thats why the Giants are the better organization BY FAR, we didn't give up on Eli after some rough patches (well most of us we know there were a lot of fans who wanted to) and by the end of year 4, Eli was SB MVP...

Archie, Eli, and the Giants handled the situation PERFECTLY. I mean think about it, SD is the best place to play QB in the league, if a guy doesn't want to play there, there's got to be a very strong reason why, and that reason is AJ...of course we get to look back on that with a smile bc we are the winners, and SD, well they are the losers...but they should be used to it by now.

swimeasy
03-12-2012, 09:26 AM
IA giantsfan. It was a good opportunity for him to present himself as a professional but AJ just can't seem to stop tripping over his own ego.

GameTime
03-12-2012, 09:35 AM
IA giantsfan. It was a good opportunity for him to present himself as a professional but AJ just can't seem to stop tripping over his own ego.
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well said. And with that some still wonder why Eli didnt want to play there. </P>


Also I wuol dlike to mention how so many vilified the Manning family for thier involvement with Eli's choice. IMO....how many 22 years kids who are about to make a life changing decisiondont seek or use the advice of their Mom or Dad if thier family situation is lucky enough to be like that. </P>

Kruunch
03-12-2012, 09:51 AM
Can't wait for Peyton to go to the Broncos and lock up that division until AJ Smith loses his job (which should be in 2013).

SweetZombieJesus
03-12-2012, 12:55 PM
there's two reasons why Eli isn't a Charger. 1-the way AJ handled the predraft meetings with Archie and Eli; the reported story goes that Archie initially had reservations about Eli being a Charger. He had scheduled a dinner meeting with AJ to go over the best scenario for both parties. AJ discussed openly to a SD newspaper about how Eli wouldn't want to play for SD even though at that time no decision was cemented. This infuriated Archie and you combine that with how Brees was being treated and the way the organization was run, the decision to refuse playing for SD was cemented.

It came out about 2 years ago that Peyton and Ryan Leaf became friends during the 1998 draft and talked on the phone weekly during the season, comparing how the Chargers do business with how the Colts do it... Considering these two were considered interchangeable at the draft and where their careers have gone, I'd say the case was made.

giantyankee1976
03-12-2012, 01:03 PM
IA giantsfan. It was a good opportunity for him to present himself as a professional but AJ just can't seem to stop tripping over his own ego.*
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well said. And with that some still wonder why Eli didnt want to play there. </P>


Also I wuol dlike to mention how so many vilified the Manning family for thier involvement with Eli's choice. IMO....how* many 22 years kids who are about to make a life changing decision*dont seek or use the advice of their Mom or Dad if thier family situation is lucky enough to be like that. </P>

well said GT !!!

most kids "know everything" and Mom and Pops can't tell them anything.

AJ's is rightfully bitter but c'mon already, let it go

giantyankee1976
03-12-2012, 01:04 PM
Can't wait for Peyton to go to the Broncos and lock up that division until AJ Smith loses his job (which should be in 2013).

LOL

malicious.

I like it.

Tommy_Ribs
03-12-2012, 01:25 PM
This is one of the reasons that Eli did not want to go to San Diego.

The Chargers Front Office was viewed as a black-hole, and AJ Smith has done nothing over the years to change the perception that he is a nasty little man, because that is exactly what he is.

He once stated that he didn't want his picture in the team bio web page to be one of him smiling, because he wants agents to now he is a tough negotiator. Compare that to Accorsi and Reese, who guys like Drew Rosenhaus have said are great to deal with b/c they are upfront and honest and always let you know what the fair price is.

Going back to AJ Smith, lets use the Eli/Rivers thing to make my point.

Smith gets the exact QB he wants and draft picks, and when they work on the deal, Rivers ends up having to hold out because Smith puts unrealistic performance incentives in the contract in order to get paid. Things like Being an All-Pro every single year and winning 3 SBs in order to get paid. Meanwhile the GIANTS put together a no-nonsense contract for Eli and they get him signed/sealed/delivered early on.

That tells me everything I need to know about the man.

G-Man67
03-12-2012, 02:24 PM
ha, that is funny, but give him credit for knowing what QB he wanted ... it's just that, unfortunately, San Diego doesn't seem like it is going to be winning Super Bowls anytime soon

buffyblue
03-12-2012, 02:34 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/11/a-j-smith-chimes-in-on-the-peyton-chase/related/

Eight years ago, the Manning family made a power play aimed directly at the man who holds all of it in San Diego. The Chargers had the first pick in the 2004 draft, G.M. A.J. Smith wanted to take Eli Manning, and Manning family patriarch Archie made it clear that Eli wanted no part of the franchise.

Faced with the prospect of playing Elis older brother twice this year, with Peyton possibly joining either the Broncos or the Chiefs, Smith doesnt seem concerned.

At all.

I dont know, and I really dont care, Smith told Kevin Acee of U-T San Diego. I concentrate on the Chargers.

And then it appeared that Smith tried to make it better, until he decided to take a more subtle slap.

I do wish him the best in whatever the Manning family decides, Smith said. I dont know why you would ask me. And I dont know why anyone is asking Peyton. If you really want to know whats going on what trips hes making and where hes going to play call Archie.

Ouch.

I think that a big evolution that we witnessed in Eli Manning this season was that he did not back off his comments about being inTom Bradys class especially when his father wanted him to.

bigblue5611
03-12-2012, 02:49 PM
arent giants at chargers in '13? yikes..

Kruunch
03-12-2012, 02:58 PM
This is one of the reasons that Eli did not want to go to San Diego.

The Chargers Front Office was viewed as a black-hole, and AJ Smith has done nothing over the years to change the perception that he is a nasty little man, because that is exactly what he is.

He once stated that he didn't want his picture in the team bio web page to be one of him smiling, because he wants agents to now he is a tough negotiator.* Compare that to Accorsi and Reese, who guys like Drew Rosenhaus have said are great to deal with b/c they are upfront and honest and always let you know what the fair price is.

Going back to AJ Smith, lets use the Eli/Rivers thing to make my point.

Smith gets the exact QB he wants and draft picks, and when they work on the deal, Rivers ends up having to hold out because Smith puts unrealistic performance incentives in the contract in order to get paid.* Things like Being an All-Pro every single year and winning 3 SBs in order to get paid.* Meanwhile the GIANTS put together a no-nonsense contract for Eli and they get him signed/sealed/delivered early on.

That tells me everything I need to know about the man.


Translation: The Lord of the No Rings

gmen46
03-12-2012, 06:50 PM
The Bard said it best--and he had AJ Smith in mind at the time--in the early 1600s--

"The tartness of his face sours ripe grapes."--Will Shakespeare