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Kase-1
03-14-2012, 11:52 PM
<u>1st- Mike Adams, OT, OSU</u>


Pass blocking: Tall, long, athletic pass protector. Generally gets
out of three-point stance with good knee bend and a wide base. Improving
his ability to use his hands to redirect rushers and late blitzers away
from the pocket. Power rushers lose most battles, good anchor in close
quarters, will reset hands and move feet to sustain. Stops his feet
after initial contact at times, relying on length but allowing defender
to get the corner or spin inside.


</p>

Run blocking: Solid positional run blocker who flashes some
nastiness. Attacks his man when necessary, though he won't consistently
dominate him and will lose his balance by overextending. Quick feet, can
get inside of tackle to wall off inside and reach linebackers at the
second level adeptly. Nice punch which he uses to knock down smaller
defenders with one extension. Height a detriment in short-yardage plays,
defender can get under his pads to hold the line. Flashes the ability
to move his man with his hands, but is not yet consistent in this area.


</p>

Pulling/trapping: Best on the outside due to his height and
athleticism, but is capable of blocking on the move if required.
Effective in space as he usually drops his hips to get leverage and
sustain against shorter defenders.


</p>

Initial Quickness: Obvious Quick-twitch movement off the snap in
pass protection and as a run blocker. Finds defenders with his hands
immediately and gets feet moving to engage and sustain. Can be beat off
the edge, however, when coming out of his stance in panic to reach
speedy wide rushers.


</p>

Downfield: Possesses the quickness out of his stance and footwork
to be effective in front of screens. Willing to get out in front of
ballcarriers to take out defensive backs and linebackers. Used at tight
end on unbalanced lines, displays agility to reach the second level when
uncovered in that role.
</p>

<u>2nd- Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall</u></p>

Pass rush: Relentless and strong off the edge as a pass rusher when
fresh. Gets under the pads of tackles to bull rush them into the
backfield. Gives second and third effort to reach the passer. Uses his
hands to swim past linemen. Struggles to beat cut blocks with his hands.
Inconsistent get-off, stands straight up into his blocker and does not
shed later in games. Plays a bit out of control, loses his balance when
trying to shake tackles. Challenge interior linemen with quickness and
strong hands when lined up inside.


</p>

Run defense: Chase defender outside, has good closing speed and
hustle to get to ballcarriers running to or away from him. Works through
multiple blockers to get to the ball, or at least force plays to other
defenders. May take a false step inside on zone reads, but generally
stays at home to keep containment.


</p>

Explosion: Usually comes off the snap in a hurry and very strong
from either side of the formation. May not beat NFL tackles as a pure
speed rusher, but will challenge their upfield shoulder. Quick enough to
take inside lane if tackle guesses on speed rush. His initial quickness
lets up later in games.


</p>

Strength: Plays with intensity and a nice anchor even when giving
up 40-50 pounds against most blockers. Shows pop as a bull rusher.
Stands up well against the run when lined up at five-technique, but must
prove he has the bulk and strength to handle NFL linemen one-on-one or
double-teams before moving inside.


</p>

Tackling: Possesses NFL-caliber length and strength as a tackler.
Makes backside plays with regularity when zone schemes leave him
unblocked. Gives great effort, following the ball to either sideline no
matter where he is lined up. Adds himself to piles as the third or
fourth defender. Spins off piles inside and finds the ballcarrier to
drag him down.


</p>

Intangibles: Team leader, younger players look up to him.
Positive attitude in the locker room, works well with the media. Hustle
on the field reflects work ethic off the field. No major off-field
incidents. Could have entered the draft in 2011 as a potential top 100
pick, chose to return to "win a championship".
</p>


</p>

<u>3rd- Kelechi Osemele, OL, Iowa State</u></p>

Pass blocking: Aggressive pass blocker with NFL-caliber length and
thick frame. Plays with a wide base and locks onto rush ends with very
strong hands. Few college defenders can bull rush against his strong
anchor or get around his long arms to reach the quarterback. His pass
pro technique needs work, however, and he stands up after the snap,
lateral quickness is inconsistent, crosses his feet, and gets off
balance too easily, giving up the corner against fast ends. Lacks
recovery speed to prevent secondary rush if beaten in inside lane.
Susceptible to holding calls when reaching or being a bit
overaggressive.


</p>

Run blocking: Possesses a guard build, with a little extra girth
in the middle, and is bulldozer as a run blocker inside. Uses strong
upper body to latch onto and control any defender getting into his path.
Finishes blocks. Agile enough to down-black the tackle then reach a
linebacker waiting in the box. Will even jump towards a second target if
he sees back coming through the hole. Need to work on getting low in
short-yardage situations. Inconsistent cut blocker, more effective when
getting down to prevent backside pursuit in run game rather than
bringing down rushers on quick passes.


</p>

Pulling/trapping: Owns short-area quickness to trap, and will
negate targets in that role, but is most effective when staying in tight
quarters or moving straight-ahead off the snap. Would be limited to
hitting first target and could get in running back's way if asked to
pull.


</p>

Initial Quickness: Gets his massive frame moving more quickly
than anticipated off the snap. Good explosion from three-point stance.
Jumps inside to wall off defenders from inside lanes and is effective
taking out tackle's shoulder on zone-blocking plays.


</p>

Downfield: Lacks great foot speed to adjust to smaller defenders
but gives good effort to get to second level or further. Attacks targets
and attempts to sustain instead of just punching. Bends at the waist,
overextends while holding block in space but is generally effective due
to his size and strong hands.


</p>

Intangibles: Plays with legitimate nastiness, gets after it on
every play and will through the whistle if challenged. Smart player who
called out blitzes, has changed positions in college, and works hard to
improve every year.



</p>


</p>

<u>4th- Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincy</u></p>

Strengths: Has a tall, solid frame with adequate length and has done a
nice job losing the bad weight and firming his body. Has a quick first
step with fluid movements off the ball. A natural bender, staying low
and using leverage to force his way into the backfield. Highly
competitive and fierce, showing relentless effort to the pocket with a
nonstop motor. Has very good awareness, keeping his head on a swivel
with a good feel to quickly locate and react to the play. Tough as nails
with a physical attitude and often attracts double-teams. An extremely
hard worker in the weight room and doesn?t let up in practice. Versatile
in college, lining up in several different spots, including moving to
nose tackle over the center on third downs. Stayed durable over his
career, starting the final 38 games of his collegiate career. Was
productive at Cincinnati, especially as a senior when he led the
conference in tackles for loss (21.5) and had career-highs in tackles
(70) and sacks (9.5).


</p>

Negatives: Only average lower-body strength and
struggles to anchor at the point of attack. Bit of a defensive
end/defensive tackle ?tweener who struggles in traffic with multiple
blockers, not always using his limbs effectively to disengage. Will
allow his body to get too upright at times and needs to consistently
keep his pad level down to be effective. Not a quick-twitch player and
struggles to quickly change directions with some body stiffness. Has
streaky hand placement and usage, abandoning his technique. Lacks a
natural position and there will be some concerns as to where he will fit
best at the next level.


</p>


</p>

<u>5th- Vontaze Burfict, MLB, ASU</u></p>

Read &amp; React: Brings good instincts to the middle of a defense,
but his reaction time is what stands out for a player his size.
Combining that reaction time with his speed results in crushing hits. A
step late recognizing screens at times and can be fooled by misdirection
in the offensive line because he relies on his keys.


</p>

Run defense: Between-the-tackles thumper with mike linebacker
upper and lower-body builds, but also agile and quick enough to get
through gaps to make plays in the backfield. Avoids lineman blocks in
space with quickness, strong hands, and even a dip move, though he lines
up seven yards off the line to see them coming. Also strong enough to
anchor against lineman blocks; could be more consistent shedding to
reach ballcarrier as he runs by.


</p>

Pass defense: Agile enough to attack throws in front of him when
in zone, can make the big hit which separates the ball from his man.
Taken out in nickel packages, though, as he lacks the suddenness to get a
deep drop or handle jerk routes of quicker slot receivers. Must read
the quarterback's eyes to jump and affect passing lanes if not getting
home on the blitz.


</p>

Tackling: Explosive tackler who gets low to stop backs in their
tracks. Plays like a downhill missile on most snaps, making huge hits
that result in turnovers. Also brings down backs by their leg if
slipping down during the tackle. Anchors quickly after inserting himself
into a pile to prevent forward pushes. Capable of reaching either
sideline on a given play, taking deep angles when needed to prevent the
touchdown. Gets low to shoulder down college backs, but NFL ballcarriers
may avoid those tackles. Misses some tackles when trying to intimidate
with a lowered helmet or shoulder instead of wrapping up.


</p>

Pass Rush/Blitz: Used as a blitzer off the edge and up the
middle, showing a lot of potential by pressuring quarterbacks into
throws but rarely getting home (zero sacks in 2010). Explodes from his
stance but lacks a variety of moves and does not use his hands to beat
initial block. Athletic enough to jump over running back cut pass pro
blocks, but should be able to bully them instead.


</p>

GMENAGAIN
03-15-2012, 06:25 AM
I didn't like how weak Adams was in the bench press at the combine. To me, that suggests a lack of committment in the weight room, which is a red flag. He might have to be in an NFL strength program for a year before he is ready to play. So I wouldn't be crazy about picking Adams in the first.</P>


I hate Burfict . . . in any round. </P>

Kase-1
03-15-2012, 10:41 AM
I feel like we're one of the few teams that could whoop Taze into shape. If he isnt gonna listen to Poppa Coughlin fresh off of a SB Victory, then he shouldnt be in the NFL

GiantPride27
03-15-2012, 11:42 AM
I feel like we're one of the few teams that could whoop Taze into shape.* If he isnt gonna listen to Poppa Coughlin fresh off of a SB Victory, then he shouldnt be in the NFL


+1

I wouldnt take him any earlier than the last pick in the 4th round.

But we have a solid group of players who happen to be good people. Let Tuck, Cweb, TT, Kiwi, Boley, and company mentor the kid and get his head on straight and learn to play the game as a professional. one things for sure the giants could use his intensity(if he can control it)

lawl
03-15-2012, 05:59 PM
Burfict might not even get drafted.

Kruunch
03-19-2012, 10:24 AM
I like the personel choices except for Burfict (he's a bust waiting to happen imo).

Kelechi will probably not be available by the end of the 3rd.

GiantPride27
03-19-2012, 11:25 AM
I like the personel choices except for Burfict (he's a bust waiting to happen imo).

Kelechi will probably not be available by the end of the 3rd.

not sure if anyones ganna be able to call him a bust. hes a lazy punk for sure. but hes prolly not getting drafted after the sub par season/combine/proday. so hes ganna end up being low risk high reward. now if he gets taken before the 6th round then someone gave up to much and hes a bust. IMO

GiantPride27
03-19-2012, 11:39 AM
<u>1st- Mike Adams, OT, OSU</u>


Pass blocking: Tall, long, athletic pass protector. Generally gets
out of three-point stance with good knee bend and a wide base. Improving
his ability to use his hands to redirect rushers and late blitzers away
from the pocket. Power rushers lose most battles, good anchor in close
quarters, will reset hands and move feet to sustain. Stops his feet
after initial contact at times, relying on length but allowing defender
to get the corner or spin inside.


</p>

Run blocking: Solid positional run blocker who flashes some
nastiness. Attacks his man when necessary, though he won't consistently
dominate him and will lose his balance by overextending. Quick feet, can
get inside of tackle to wall off inside and reach linebackers at the
second level adeptly. Nice punch which he uses to knock down smaller
defenders with one extension. Height a detriment in short-yardage plays,
defender can get under his pads to hold the line. Flashes the ability
to move his man with his hands, but is not yet consistent in this area.


</p>

Pulling/trapping: Best on the outside due to his height and
athleticism, but is capable of blocking on the move if required.
Effective in space as he usually drops his hips to get leverage and
sustain against shorter defenders.


</p>

Initial Quickness: Obvious Quick-twitch movement off the snap in
pass protection and as a run blocker. Finds defenders with his hands
immediately and gets feet moving to engage and sustain. Can be beat off
the edge, however, when coming out of his stance in panic to reach
speedy wide rushers.


</p>

Downfield: Possesses the quickness out of his stance and footwork
to be effective in front of screens. Willing to get out in front of
ballcarriers to take out defensive backs and linebackers. Used at tight
end on unbalanced lines, displays agility to reach the second level when
uncovered in that role.
</p>

<u>2nd- Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall</u></p>

Pass rush: Relentless and strong off the edge as a pass rusher when
fresh. Gets under the pads of tackles to bull rush them into the
backfield. Gives second and third effort to reach the passer. Uses his
hands to swim past linemen. Struggles to beat cut blocks with his hands.
Inconsistent get-off, stands straight up into his blocker and does not
shed later in games. Plays a bit out of control, loses his balance when
trying to shake tackles. Challenge interior linemen with quickness and
strong hands when lined up inside.


</p>

Run defense: Chase defender outside, has good closing speed and
hustle to get to ballcarriers running to or away from him. Works through
multiple blockers to get to the ball, or at least force plays to other
defenders. May take a false step inside on zone reads, but generally
stays at home to keep containment.


</p>

Explosion: Usually comes off the snap in a hurry and very strong
from either side of the formation. May not beat NFL tackles as a pure
speed rusher, but will challenge their upfield shoulder. Quick enough to
take inside lane if tackle guesses on speed rush. His initial quickness
lets up later in games.


</p>

Strength: Plays with intensity and a nice anchor even when giving
up 40-50 pounds against most blockers. Shows pop as a bull rusher.
Stands up well against the run when lined up at five-technique, but must
prove he has the bulk and strength to handle NFL linemen one-on-one or
double-teams before moving inside.


</p>

Tackling: Possesses NFL-caliber length and strength as a tackler.
Makes backside plays with regularity when zone schemes leave him
unblocked. Gives great effort, following the ball to either sideline no
matter where he is lined up. Adds himself to piles as the third or
fourth defender. Spins off piles inside and finds the ballcarrier to
drag him down.


</p>

Intangibles: Team leader, younger players look up to him.
Positive attitude in the locker room, works well with the media. Hustle
on the field reflects work ethic off the field. No major off-field
incidents. Could have entered the draft in 2011 as a potential top 100
pick, chose to return to "win a championship".
</p>


</p>

<u>3rd- Kelechi Osemele, OL, Iowa State</u></p>

Pass blocking: Aggressive pass blocker with NFL-caliber length and
thick frame. Plays with a wide base and locks onto rush ends with very
strong hands. Few college defenders can bull rush against his strong
anchor or get around his long arms to reach the quarterback. His pass
pro technique needs work, however, and he stands up after the snap,
lateral quickness is inconsistent, crosses his feet, and gets off
balance too easily, giving up the corner against fast ends. Lacks
recovery speed to prevent secondary rush if beaten in inside lane.
Susceptible to holding calls when reaching or being a bit
overaggressive.


</p>

Run blocking: Possesses a guard build, with a little extra girth
in the middle, and is bulldozer as a run blocker inside. Uses strong
upper body to latch onto and control any defender getting into his path.
Finishes blocks. Agile enough to down-black the tackle then reach a
linebacker waiting in the box. Will even jump towards a second target if
he sees back coming through the hole. Need to work on getting low in
short-yardage situations. Inconsistent cut blocker, more effective when
getting down to prevent backside pursuit in run game rather than
bringing down rushers on quick passes.


</p>

Pulling/trapping: Owns short-area quickness to trap, and will
negate targets in that role, but is most effective when staying in tight
quarters or moving straight-ahead off the snap. Would be limited to
hitting first target and could get in running back's way if asked to
pull.


</p>

Initial Quickness: Gets his massive frame moving more quickly
than anticipated off the snap. Good explosion from three-point stance.
Jumps inside to wall off defenders from inside lanes and is effective
taking out tackle's shoulder on zone-blocking plays.


</p>

Downfield: Lacks great foot speed to adjust to smaller defenders
but gives good effort to get to second level or further. Attacks targets
and attempts to sustain instead of just punching. Bends at the waist,
overextends while holding block in space but is generally effective due
to his size and strong hands.


</p>

Intangibles: Plays with legitimate nastiness, gets after it on
every play and will through the whistle if challenged. Smart player who
called out blitzes, has changed positions in college, and works hard to
improve every year.



</p>


</p>

<u>4th- Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincy</u></p>

Strengths: Has a tall, solid frame with adequate length and has done a
nice job losing the bad weight and firming his body. Has a quick first
step with fluid movements off the ball. A natural bender, staying low
and using leverage to force his way into the backfield. Highly
competitive and fierce, showing relentless effort to the pocket with a
nonstop motor. Has very good awareness, keeping his head on a swivel
with a good feel to quickly locate and react to the play. Tough as nails
with a physical attitude and often attracts double-teams. An extremely
hard worker in the weight room and doesn?t let up in practice. Versatile
in college, lining up in several different spots, including moving to
nose tackle over the center on third downs. Stayed durable over his
career, starting the final 38 games of his collegiate career. Was
productive at Cincinnati, especially as a senior when he led the
conference in tackles for loss (21.5) and had career-highs in tackles
(70) and sacks (9.5).


</p>

Negatives: Only average lower-body strength and
struggles to anchor at the point of attack. Bit of a defensive
end/defensive tackle ?tweener who struggles in traffic with multiple
blockers, not always using his limbs effectively to disengage. Will
allow his body to get too upright at times and needs to consistently
keep his pad level down to be effective. Not a quick-twitch player and
struggles to quickly change directions with some body stiffness. Has
streaky hand placement and usage, abandoning his technique. Lacks a
natural position and there will be some concerns as to where he will fit
best at the next level.


</p>


</p>

<u>5th- Vontaze Burfict, MLB, ASU</u></p>

Read & React: Brings good instincts to the middle of a defense,
but his reaction time is what stands out for a player his size.
Combining that reaction time with his speed results in crushing hits. A
step late recognizing screens at times and can be fooled by misdirection
in the offensive line because he relies on his keys.


</p>

Run defense: Between-the-tackles thumper with mike linebacker
upper and lower-body builds, but also agile and quick enough to get
through gaps to make plays in the backfield. Avoids lineman blocks in
space with quickness, strong hands, and even a dip move, though he lines
up seven yards off the line to see them coming. Also strong enough to
anchor against lineman blocks; could be more consistent shedding to
reach ballcarrier as he runs by.


</p>

Pass defense: Agile enough to attack throws in front of him when
in zone, can make the big hit which separates the ball from his man.
Taken out in nickel packages, though, as he lacks the suddenness to get a
deep drop or handle jerk routes of quicker slot receivers. Must read
the quarterback's eyes to jump and affect passing lanes if not getting
home on the blitz.


</p>

Tackling: Explosive tackler who gets low to stop backs in their
tracks. Plays like a downhill missile on most snaps, making huge hits
that result in turnovers. Also brings down backs by their leg if
slipping down during the tackle. Anchors quickly after inserting himself
into a pile to prevent forward pushes. Capable of reaching either
sideline on a given play, taking deep angles when needed to prevent the
touchdown. Gets low to shoulder down college backs, but NFL ballcarriers
may avoid those tackles. Misses some tackles when trying to intimidate
with a lowered helmet or shoulder instead of wrapping up.


</p>

Pass Rush/Blitz: Used as a blitzer off the edge and up the
middle, showing a lot of potential by pressuring quarterbacks into
throws but rarely getting home (zero sacks in 2010). Explodes from his
stance but lacks a variety of moves and does not use his hands to beat
initial block. Athletic enough to jump over running back cut pass pro
blocks, but should be able to bully them instead.


</p>
1st- Mike Adams, OT, OSU
BPA at the NYG Biggest Need. good pick. i worry about his strength and work ethic. One 19 ont he bench scares me. he is athletic but needs to hit the weight and show a commitment to getting stronger.

2nd- Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall
Good prospect who im high on. Id prefer C.Jones out of SU bc he can play DT & DE depending on situations. If curry can too then great bc hes a beast. just know more about Jones (cuse fan and grew up wrestling with his brothers johnny and art - Im bias)

3rd- Kelechi Osemele, OL, Iowa State
I have Osemele going in the second. If you could get him at the end of the third then i think thats one of the big steals of the draft.

4th- Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincy
Good pick but idk if taking 2 DLinemen int he fist 4 rounds is wise. we have other areas that can be improved. Ive seen alot of mocks with DT as a need. i dont see that. Canty and Joseph are solid starters and Austin will be coming in and has major upside. plus DT in our system only play 2 downs. 3rd downs look like JPP-Tuck-Kiwi-Osi (scary)

5th- Vontaze Burfict, MLB, ASU
I tried to defend him and was hoping he would train for his Proday (he didnt) hes a punk and hes lazy. that being said i think he would do well in our defense bc of our strong leadership and no nonsense GM & Coach. The giants is a perfect situation for him. However i wouldnt waste a pick higher than a 7th on him and would jump on him if he goes Undrafted. but definetly not worth a 5th round spot.

Overall i like your first 3 picks
i like your forth pick but not with a DL in the second
and Taze is far to high.


B-

Kase-1
03-19-2012, 06:45 PM
4th- Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincy
Good pick but idk if taking 2 DLinemen int he fist 4 rounds is wise. we have other areas that can be improved. Ive seen alot of mocks with DT as a need. i dont see that. Canty and Joseph are solid starters and Austin will be coming in and has major upside. plus DT in our system only play 2 downs. 3rd downs look like JPP-Tuck-Kiwi-Osi (scary)
I wasnt really too sure where to go in the 4th, but at DT we only have Canty, Joseph (who I both really like) and Austin who hasnt played a down in 2yrs. I looked at Wolfe a little bit and ya cant help but love his 21.5 TFL's last season

GiantPride27
03-20-2012, 09:02 AM
4th- Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincy
Good pick but idk if taking 2 DLinemen int he fist 4 rounds is wise. we have other areas that can be improved. Ive seen alot of mocks with DT as a need. i dont see that. Canty and Joseph are solid starters and Austin will be coming in and has major upside. plus DT in our system only play 2 downs. 3rd downs look like JPP-Tuck-Kiwi-Osi (scary)
I wasnt really too sure where to go in the 4th, but at DT we only have Canty, Joseph (who I both really like) and Austin who hasnt played a down in 2yrs.* I looked at Wolfe a little bit and ya cant help but love his 21.5 TFL's last season


i agree that marvin is a mystery and its hard not playing a down in two years. however, prior to his suspension he was considered a top 10 draft pick calibur player. a level of athlete and football player taht wolfe has never been. and im a firm believer that you have to give your players a chance before giving up on them. plus with rocky earned his spot last year. played well at in the limited action behind canty and joseph

GiantPride27
03-20-2012, 09:06 AM
Continued:

after the first three picks id be happier with some skill positions. maybe WR/RB/TE would me my pick there, M.McNutt(WR) would be a good pick up in our 4th spot. He is not ganna blow anyones doors off like JJ. but hes got a good frame big hands and runs solid routes. we have great play makers and Nicks is a pure #1 reciever. I see McNutt as a possible Toomer type clutch possesion guy

C1010
03-21-2012, 07:43 PM
I didn't like how weak Adams was in the bench press at the combine. To me, that suggests a lack of committment in the weight room, which is a red flag. He might have to be in an NFL strength program for a year before he is ready to play. So I wouldn't be crazy about picking Adams in the first.</p>


I hate Burfict . . . in any round. </p>

x2 not thrilled about the amount of reps he did in the combine.

flimflam
03-21-2012, 11:55 PM
So many people are throwing in Vontaze Burfict in the later rounds as a draft stock dropper, and sleeper steal due to his "ra and freakishly athletic talents" but man, the dude is a piece of ****. He is undisciplined, unmotivated, and in the biggest "job interview" period of his life he is giving bad interviews, showing up out of shape, and performing poorly. Some guys dispel red flags.

Burfict the dirtbag and front page bad news headline waiting to happen just ordered some red flags of all sizes from Etsy to wave around, stick in his hair, tape on his helmet, put on his car, etc/ JR in his infinite wisdom wouldn't let Burfict wipe his *** with his bare hand if it garnered world piece.

Kruunch
03-27-2012, 02:17 PM
4th- Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincy
Good pick but idk if taking 2 DLinemen int he fist 4 rounds is wise. we have other areas that can be improved. Ive seen alot of mocks with DT as a need. i dont see that. Canty and Joseph are solid starters and Austin will be coming in and has major upside. plus DT in our system only play 2 downs. 3rd downs look like JPP-Tuck-Kiwi-Osi (scary)
I wasnt really too sure where to go in the 4th, but at DT we only have Canty, Joseph (who I both really like) and Austin who hasnt played a down in 2yrs.* I looked at Wolfe a little bit and ya cant help but love his 21.5 TFL's last season


The problem in my mind is that you prioritized the wrong position on the Dline (I think we go DT well before DE this draft). Additionally neither of your Dline picks really fit our defense well. Vinny Curry is "ok" but doesn't fit our mold of bursty pass rushers we like at the DE position (we're one of the few NFL teams that have boasted a double digit sacking left DE over the past two decades).

Wolfe is kind of a tweener ... if you're going for a DT I'd rather see a more solid pick (Wolfe looks like a 3-4 DE opposite the passing rushing OLB to me).

If you're really high on Mike Adams in the first (and I don't fault your pick here at all) then maybe look at converting a monster like Alameda Taamu from NT to a proper DT.

Kase-1
03-27-2012, 02:23 PM
4th- Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincy
Good pick but idk if taking 2 DLinemen int he fist 4 rounds is wise. we have other areas that can be improved. Ive seen alot of mocks with DT as a need. i dont see that. Canty and Joseph are solid starters and Austin will be coming in and has major upside. plus DT in our system only play 2 downs. 3rd downs look like JPP-Tuck-Kiwi-Osi (scary)
I wasnt really too sure where to go in the 4th, but at DT we only have Canty, Joseph (who I both really like) and Austin who hasnt played a down in 2yrs. I looked at Wolfe a little bit and ya cant help but love his 21.5 TFL's last season


The problem in my mind is that you prioritized the wrong position on the Dline (I think we go DT well before DE this draft). Additionally neither of your Dline picks really fit our defense well. Vinny Curry is "ok" but doesn't fit our mold of bursty pass rushers we like at the DE position (we're one of the few NFL teams that have boasted a double digit sacking left DE over the past two decades).

Wolfe is kind of a tweener ... if you're going for a DT I'd rather see a more solid pick (Wolfe looks like a 3-4 DE opposite the passing rushing OLB to me).

If you're really high on Mike Adams in the first (and I don't fault your pick here at all) then maybe look at converting a monster like Alameda Taamu from NT to a proper DT.Im gonna redo my mock, the more I think about Kelechi, the more I like him as the RT of our future.

Vinny Curry or Whitney Marcellus would be a great fit in our scheme both are pass rushing animals

Wolfe seems like a really nice pick for us, it would be great for him to bulk up a bit but he could def be a good fit in our scheme, he was a ridiculous season last year in a 4-3

Kruunch
03-27-2012, 03:03 PM
4th- Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincy
Good pick but idk if taking 2 DLinemen int he fist 4 rounds is wise. we have other areas that can be improved. Ive seen alot of mocks with DT as a need. i dont see that. Canty and Joseph are solid starters and Austin will be coming in and has major upside. plus DT in our system only play 2 downs. 3rd downs look like JPP-Tuck-Kiwi-Osi (scary)
I wasnt really too sure where to go in the 4th, but at DT we only have Canty, Joseph (who I both really like) and Austin who hasnt played a down in 2yrs.* I looked at Wolfe a little bit and ya cant help but love his 21.5 TFL's last season


The problem in my mind is that you prioritized the wrong position on the Dline (I think we go DT well before DE this draft). Additionally neither of your Dline picks really fit our defense well. Vinny Curry is "ok" but doesn't fit our mold of bursty pass rushers we like at the DE position (we're one of the few NFL teams that have boasted a double digit sacking left DE over the past two decades).

Wolfe is kind of a tweener ... if you're going for a DT I'd rather see a more solid pick (Wolfe looks like a 3-4 DE opposite the passing rushing OLB to me).

If you're really high on Mike Adams in the first (and I don't fault your pick here at all) then maybe look at converting a monster like Alameda Taamu from NT to a proper DT.Im gonna redo my mock, the more I think about Kelechi, the more I like him as the RT of our future.

Vinny Curry or Whitney Marcellus would be a great fit in our scheme both are pass rushing animals

Wolfe seems like a really nice pick for us, it would be great for him to bulk up a bit but he could def be a good fit in our scheme, he was a ridiculous season last year in a 4-3


Sorry I think I'm starting to confuse my DEs (was thinking of Chandler Jones).

Curry/Mercilus would both fit us well. However Mercilus is gone well before we pick in the first and Curry is probably gone by the end of the second (making him a reach with the 1st pick ... although we may if that's a priority).

Wolfe I don't think translates to the next level (at least not right away) just because he won't be a sure fit anywhere (too small as a DT, too slow as a passing rushing DE). I could certainly be wrong here ... but if we're going with projects, I'd rather get value and go with Akiem Hicks (6'6 320lbs.) who has all the physical measurables you could want in a DT (and a great potential replacement for Canty).

Just my opinion ... I'm as full of **** as anyone :)

Kase-1
03-27-2012, 03:08 PM
4th- Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincy
Good pick but idk if taking 2 DLinemen int he fist 4 rounds is wise. we have other areas that can be improved. Ive seen alot of mocks with DT as a need. i dont see that. Canty and Joseph are solid starters and Austin will be coming in and has major upside. plus DT in our system only play 2 downs. 3rd downs look like JPP-Tuck-Kiwi-Osi (scary)
I wasnt really too sure where to go in the 4th, but at DT we only have Canty, Joseph (who I both really like) and Austin who hasnt played a down in 2yrs. I looked at Wolfe a little bit and ya cant help but love his 21.5 TFL's last season


The problem in my mind is that you prioritized the wrong position on the Dline (I think we go DT well before DE this draft). Additionally neither of your Dline picks really fit our defense well. Vinny Curry is "ok" but doesn't fit our mold of bursty pass rushers we like at the DE position (we're one of the few NFL teams that have boasted a double digit sacking left DE over the past two decades).

Wolfe is kind of a tweener ... if you're going for a DT I'd rather see a more solid pick (Wolfe looks like a 3-4 DE opposite the passing rushing OLB to me).

If you're really high on Mike Adams in the first (and I don't fault your pick here at all) then maybe look at converting a monster like Alameda Taamu from NT to a proper DT.Im gonna redo my mock, the more I think about Kelechi, the more I like him as the RT of our future.

Vinny Curry or Whitney Marcellus would be a great fit in our scheme both are pass rushing animals

Wolfe seems like a really nice pick for us, it would be great for him to bulk up a bit but he could def be a good fit in our scheme, he was a ridiculous season last year in a 4-3


Sorry I think I'm starting to confuse my DEs (was thinking of Chandler Jones).

Curry/Mercilus would both fit us well. However Mercilus is gone well before we pick in the first and Curry is probably gone by the end of the second (making him a reach with the 1st pick ... although we may if that's a priority).

Wolfe I don't think translates to the next level (at least not right away) just because he won't be a sure fit anywhere (too small as a DT, too slow as a passing rushing DE). I could certainly be wrong here ... but if we're going with projects, I'd rather get value and go with Akiem Hicks (6'6 320lbs.) who has all the physical measurables you could want in a DT (and a great potential replacement for Canty).

Just my opinion ... I'm as full of **** as anyone :)LMAO we've had some good back n forths today

Akiem Hicks doesnt do it for me, he played 2 years of JUCO and 2 years in Canada, big f'n whoop, LOL. I didnt even know Canadian Colleges had football teams

Hes got great size but so do a bunch of guys in the WWF, LOL. Is The Big Show still around?? LMAO

Wolfe would be a nice addition if he could bulk up he'd be great for us, look at his nasty season last year 21.5TFLs!!!

Kruunch
03-27-2012, 03:23 PM
4th- Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincy
Good pick but idk if taking 2 DLinemen int he fist 4 rounds is wise. we have other areas that can be improved. Ive seen alot of mocks with DT as a need. i dont see that. Canty and Joseph are solid starters and Austin will be coming in and has major upside. plus DT in our system only play 2 downs. 3rd downs look like JPP-Tuck-Kiwi-Osi (scary)
I wasnt really too sure where to go in the 4th, but at DT we only have Canty, Joseph (who I both really like) and Austin who hasnt played a down in 2yrs.* I looked at Wolfe a little bit and ya cant help but love his 21.5 TFL's last season


The problem in my mind is that you prioritized the wrong position on the Dline (I think we go DT well before DE this draft). Additionally neither of your Dline picks really fit our defense well. Vinny Curry is "ok" but doesn't fit our mold of bursty pass rushers we like at the DE position (we're one of the few NFL teams that have boasted a double digit sacking left DE over the past two decades).

Wolfe is kind of a tweener ... if you're going for a DT I'd rather see a more solid pick (Wolfe looks like a 3-4 DE opposite the passing rushing OLB to me).

If you're really high on Mike Adams in the first (and I don't fault your pick here at all) then maybe look at converting a monster like Alameda Taamu from NT to a proper DT.Im gonna redo my mock, the more I think about Kelechi, the more I like him as the RT of our future.

Vinny Curry or Whitney Marcellus would be a great fit in our scheme both are pass rushing animals

Wolfe seems like a really nice pick for us, it would be great for him to bulk up a bit but he could def be a good fit in our scheme, he was a ridiculous season last year in a 4-3


Sorry I think I'm starting to confuse my DEs (was thinking of Chandler Jones).

Curry/Mercilus would both fit us well. However Mercilus is gone well before we pick in the first and Curry is probably gone by the end of the second (making him a reach with the 1st pick ... although we may if that's a priority).

Wolfe I don't think translates to the next level (at least not right away) just because he won't be a sure fit anywhere (too small as a DT, too slow as a passing rushing DE). I could certainly be wrong here ... but if we're going with projects, I'd rather get value and go with Akiem Hicks (6'6 320lbs.) who has all the physical measurables you could want in a DT (and a great potential replacement for Canty).

Just my opinion ... I'm as full of **** as anyone :)LMAO we've had some good back n forths today

Akiem Hicks doesnt do it for me, he played 2 years of JUCO and 2 years in Canada, big f'n whoop, LOL.* I didnt even know Canadian Colleges had football teams

Hes got great size but so do a bunch of guys in the WWF, LOL.* Is The Big Show still around?? LMAO

Wolfe would be a nice addition if he could bulk up he'd be great for us, look at his nasty season last year 21.5TFLs!!!


Indeed we have!

And JPP played in JUCO before one stellar year at that juggernaut of the Big East ... USF! (lol). While Akiem Hicks might never translate, if he did he'd be an absolutely monster (and we're talking about the DT position ... not exactly a position that requires a ton of knowledge/instincts).

Wolfe: Meh ... possibly but most of those were bottled up plays which is more of a credit to the rest of his team (and level of competition I might add) then himself. I could be wrong and he could very well excel at the pro level ... he just doesn't excite me exactly.