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remarcs
03-20-2012, 06:28 PM
This is an article that talks more in depth about Reese's picks based on his draft history.

http://www.footballnation.com/content/new-york-giants-inside-look-gm-reeses-draft-philosophy/13877/2/

I've also added an article about James Hanna on of the sleepers that the article talks about.

http://whenlarrymetmagic.wordpress.com/2012/02/27/potential-sleeper-te-james-hanna/

Breezely
03-20-2012, 09:27 PM
Good article!!!!! And the point is . . . . only Reese knows! One thing for sure, he will stay with what works. They always do.

LINK TO ARTICLE (http://www.footballnation.com/content/new-york-giants-inside-look-gm-reeses-draft-philosophy/13877/)

dave56dj
03-20-2012, 09:32 PM
The article supports the idea that reese ignores need first few rounds and looks to get a potential star no matter the position - which is why its almost impossible to predict a giants draft.

I suppose you need to mock their first two round based on talent ALONE - then see if that leaves them in need and mock that in round 3-5 and then back to talent in 6 and especially 7 or raw intangibles/ combine results.

Breezely
03-20-2012, 09:46 PM
The article supports the idea that reese ignores need first few rounds and looks to get a potential star no matter the position - which is why its almost impossible to predict a giants draft.

I suppose you need to mock their first two round based on talent ALONE - then see if that leaves them in need and mock that in round 3-5 and then back to talent in 6 and especially 7 or raw intangibles/ combine results.


And it also supports the mediocre draft grades every year, by the so called experts. They grade on needs that were filled, and always slight the Giants draft. But if they were to go back after the year was out and grade the draft, the Giants would be consistently on top because of the production and depth.

Spizi
03-20-2012, 10:04 PM
The article supports the idea that reese ignores need first few rounds and looks to get a potential star no matter the position - which is why its almost impossible to predict a giants draft.

I suppose you need to mock their first two round based on talent ALONE - then see if that leaves them in need and mock that in round 3-5 and then back to talent in 6 and especially 7 or raw intangibles/ combine results.


And it also supports the mediocre draft grades every year, by the so called experts. They grade on needs that were filled, and always slight the Giants draft. But if they were to go back after the year was out and grade the draft, the Giants would be consistently on top because of the production and depth.

true but most draft experts gave us a great grade last year. the crazy thing is that we basically have 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks this year because of the injuries to prince and austin! if Reese can nail this draft the giants will be very successful for the next decade.

TuckYou
03-21-2012, 11:35 AM
Exactly the way I would like him to draft. BPA in the 1st and 2nd rounds. You never know when a position of strength can get a dent. Then you have a BPA fill that hole. </P>


Reese's pieces are what makes this team work. His drafts have been great. </P>


In Reese We Trust. </P>


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slipknottin
03-21-2012, 02:46 PM
I have to disagree with the article.

I dont see how the giants have drafted just BPA in the first two rounds at all.

Every player theyve taken in the first few rounds also fills a need.

Its always been a combination of need and value at every pick they have.

got bust?
03-21-2012, 02:51 PM
Reese is actually underrated. What other GM's had to deal with valuable 3rd round pick getting in a horrific car accident and may not play again and not to mention a 2nd round pick Austin who didn't play the whole season.

TuckYou
03-21-2012, 07:06 PM
I have to disagree with the article.

I dont see how the giants have drafted just BPA in the first two rounds at all.

Every player theyve taken in the first few rounds also fills a need.

Its always been a combination of need and value at every pick they have.

JPP, Austin, Prince were all BPA picks. We didn't need a DE, we didn't need a DT, we didn't need a CB. At the time, those were BPA picks.

888888
03-21-2012, 07:28 PM
When BPA collides with obvious need being filled.....that is when draft grades go to ***** (five stars)

888888
03-21-2012, 07:30 PM
Jerry has to look down the road also.... such as three years from now will that guard be worth another contract

slipknottin
03-21-2012, 10:54 PM
JPP, Austin, Prince were all BPA picks. We didn't need a DE, we didn't need a DT, we didn't need a CB. At the time, those were BPA picks.

I disagree. All of them were needs, you cant only consider needs that season, but needs going forward.

Giants had a contract dispute with Osi, Kiwi was injured. They had just Tolly and Tuck as players. Going forward, Osi was 30, Kiwi was 29, Tuck 28 and always banged up.

DT at the time they only had 2 players under contract, later they brought Bernard back under contract, and added a couple other bodies.

CB they had T2, Ross and CWeb. Cweb is 30, Ross was never reliable at all, and T2 was approaching FA where had he stayed healthy, may have priced himself right off the team.

All those picks were both need and BPA

lawl
03-21-2012, 11:22 PM
JPP, Austin, Prince were all BPA picks. We didn't need a DE, we didn't need a DT, we didn't need a CB. At the time, those were BPA picks.

I disagree. All of them were needs, you cant only consider needs that season, but needs going forward.

Giants had a contract dispute with Osi, Kiwi was injured. They had just Tolly and Tuck as players. Going forward, Osi was 30, Kiwi was 29, Tuck 28 and always banged up.

DT at the time they only had 2 players under contract, later they brought Bernard back under contract, and added a couple other bodies.

CB they had T2, Ross and CWeb. Cweb is 30, Ross was never reliable at all, and T2 was approaching FA where had he stayed healthy, may have priced himself right off the team.

All those picks were both need and BPA

Going into last years draft, I thought of CB as our greatest need

Kruunch
03-22-2012, 08:43 AM
I have to disagree with the article.

I dont see how the giants have drafted just BPA in the first two rounds at all.

Every player theyve taken in the first few rounds also fills a need.

Its always been a combination of need and value at every pick they have.

+1 [b]

Reese seems to use this philosophy with the first two rounds of the draft and starts with his projects/desires in the 3rd.

Kruunch
03-22-2012, 08:50 AM
I have to disagree with the article.

I dont see how the giants have drafted just BPA in the first two rounds at all.

Every player theyve taken in the first few rounds also fills a need.

Its always been a combination of need and value at every pick they have.

JPP, Austin, Prince were all BPA picks. We didn't need a DE, we didn't need a DT, we didn't need a CB. At the time, those were BPA picks.

In 2010, the consensus BPA at our pick was Iupati (OG). We took JPP instead.

In 2011 Marvin Austin was NOT BPA ... he filled a need with Cofield leaving (and a lot of discussion about Canty and/or Bernard being a cap casualty in 2011). If anything Austin was more of a reach/project considering he had been out of football for a year at that point.

Prince was BPA sure ... but had he been a QB we wouldn't have drafted him. We only drafted him because he was BPA *AND* a need (not to mention a highly coveted position).