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XxBigWhitxX
03-25-2012, 08:40 AM
Luke Kuechly is my man crush after watching this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZdule1wqBI)

bleedblue78
03-25-2012, 09:15 AM
I'm sold. But everybody wants another run at SB w/osi in rotation instead of setting up our MLB position for a decade. Not to say we even make a run w/ osi or that we can't with Luke.

bLuereverie
03-25-2012, 09:34 AM
I'm sold. But everybody wants another run at SB w/osi in rotation instead of setting up our MLB position for a decade. Not to say we even make a run w/ osi or that we can't with Luke.

He didn't say trading Osi. Could be a trade in draft picks. I can only fathom it IF he fell into the 20s, which I would still put as unlikely.

lawl
03-25-2012, 09:46 AM
Trading up for a linebacker? No thanks.

Neverend
03-25-2012, 09:50 AM
"nfl scouts you can stop drooling"

Hilarity

Luke looks like an elite athlete here. Sideline to sideline speed and routinely showed a tremendous closing burst.

Anyone who thinks he might struggle playing man coverage in the nfl needs to look at this video.

XxBigWhitxX
03-25-2012, 12:16 PM
"nfl scouts you can stop drooling"

Hilarity

Luke looks like an elite athlete here. Sideline to sideline speed and routinely showed a tremendous closing burst.

Anyone who thinks he might struggle playing man coverage in the nfl needs to look at this video.I couldn't believe how quickly he closed on the ball carrier, it looked like he was the only one moving at times

THE_New_York_Giants
03-25-2012, 12:49 PM
So what do you have to give up to go to the 15 spot to grab him? 1,3,4 most likely? That's a lot of picks to give up for a linebacker.

Spizi
03-25-2012, 01:25 PM
Look what he did with no talent around him!! Imagine Keuchly roaming around the field with JPP, Tuck, Linval, and Canty in front of him. He has got to be one of the safest picks in the draft.

Spizi
03-25-2012, 01:28 PM
So what do you have to give up to go to the 15 spot to grab him? 1,3,4 most likely? That's a lot of picks to give up for a linebacker.

not even close. it will be at least a 1, 2, and 3 according to the trade value chart which is obviously outdated. I mean look at what the redskins gave up for RGIII or what the falcons gave up for Julio Jones.

according to the trade value chart, the redskins should only have had to give up their whole draft this year. everyone knows they gave up way more than that.

THE_New_York_Giants
03-25-2012, 01:34 PM
So what do you have to give up to go to the 15 spot to grab him? 1,3,4 most likely? That's a lot of picks to give up for a linebacker.

not even close. it will be at least a 1, 2, and 3 according to the trade value chart which is obviously outdated. I mean look at what the redskins gave up for RGIII or what the falcons gave up for Julio Jones.

according to the trade value chart, the redskins should only have had to give up their whole draft this year. everyone knows they gave up way more than that.

1, 1, 3, 6, based on what the skins did. thats a lot man

titwio
03-25-2012, 01:36 PM
I think people may have said this before but, he reminds me a lot of Sean Lee. Really impressed how easy he makes the game look in that clip. Great instincts.

I missed that game so thanks for putting this up.

Spizi
03-25-2012, 01:37 PM
So what do you have to give up to go to the 15 spot to grab him? 1,3,4 most likely? That's a lot of picks to give up for a linebacker.

not even close. it will be at least a 1, 2, and 3 according to the trade value chart which is obviously outdated. I mean look at what the redskins gave up for RGIII or what the falcons gave up for Julio Jones.

according to the trade value chart, the redskins should only have had to give up their whole draft this year. everyone knows they gave up way more than that.

1, 1, 3, 6, based on what the skins did. thats a lot man
yeah i know. way too much. if we had an average GM i would say go for it, but knowing what JR can do with a 7th rounder I would never give any picks away.

THE_New_York_Giants
03-25-2012, 01:40 PM
So what do you have to give up to go to the 15 spot to grab him? 1,3,4 most likely? That's a lot of picks to give up for a linebacker.

not even close. it will be at least a 1, 2, and 3 according to the trade value chart which is obviously outdated. I mean look at what the redskins gave up for RGIII or what the falcons gave up for Julio Jones.

according to the trade value chart, the redskins should only have had to give up their whole draft this year. everyone knows they gave up way more than that.

1, 1, 3, 6, based on what the skins did. thats a lot man
yeah i know. way too much. if we had an average GM i would say go for it, but knowing what JR can do with a 7th rounder I would never give any picks away.
I kind of think if the option is there, he should trade out of the first round and get an early 2nd and an extra 3rd and 5th.

wideright91
03-25-2012, 02:50 PM
So what do you have to give up to go to the 15 spot to grab him? 1,3,4 most likely? That's a lot of picks to give up for a linebacker.

not even close. it will be at least a 1, 2, and 3 according to the trade value chart which is obviously outdated. I mean look at what the redskins gave up for RGIII or what the falcons gave up for Julio Jones.

according to the trade value chart, the redskins should only have had to give up their whole draft this year. everyone knows they gave up way more than that.

1, 1, 3, 6, based on what the skins did. thats a lot man
yeah i know. way too much. if we had an average GM i would say go for it, but knowing what JR can do with a 7th rounder I would never give any picks away.
I kind of think if the option is there, he should trade out of the first round and get an early 2nd and an extra 3rd and 5th.

Great instincts & motor--but am I the only one who still thinks he's a 3-4 ILB at the NFL level? I know he blew up the combine, but on tape, he still looks slow to me. Anyone?

slipknottin
03-25-2012, 02:55 PM
on tape, he still looks slow to me.* Anyone?*


pretty sure its just you.

Spizi
03-25-2012, 03:09 PM
on tape, he still looks slow to me.* Anyone?*


pretty sure its just you.

+1

THE_New_York_Giants
03-25-2012, 03:26 PM
on tape, he still looks slow to me.* Anyone?*


pretty sure its just you.

+1
the dude is a monster. No way he gets past Baltimore who is probably looking for Ray Lewis' replacement. He learns under the best for a couple years and plays with him, Ray retires etc. He would thrive in any system.

juice33s
03-25-2012, 03:47 PM
I find it hilarious that these analysts can see tape like this and in turn question the guys athleticism.....The fact that every single one them thought Burfict would perform better at the combine then him is unbelievable to me

Axels15
03-25-2012, 03:54 PM
I'd love for him to fall. its possible, if he makes it past seahawks and chiefs.

Eagles may not go with another linebacker after Ryans.

Who knows

bleedblue78
03-25-2012, 03:58 PM
Trading up for a linebacker? No thanks. to each their own but with the amount if greatness to ever play the game, especially at LB, trading up is warranted for the MLB position.

Neverend
03-25-2012, 04:10 PM
So what do you have to give up to go to the 15 spot to grab him? 1,3,4 most likely? That's a lot of picks to give up for a linebacker.

not even close. it will be at least a 1, 2, and 3 according to the trade value chart which is obviously outdated. I mean look at what the redskins gave up for RGIII or what the falcons gave up for Julio Jones.

according to the trade value chart, the redskins should only have had to give up their whole draft this year. everyone knows they gave up way more than that.

1, 1, 3, 6, based on what the skins did. thats a lot man
yeah i know. way too much. if we had an average GM i would say go for it, but knowing what JR can do with a 7th rounder I would never give any picks away.
I kind of think if the option is there, he should trade out of the first round and get an early 2nd and an extra 3rd and 5th.

Great instincts & motor--but am I the only one who still thinks he's a 3-4 ILB at the NFL level?* I know he blew up the combine, but on tape, he still looks slow to me.* Anyone?*


Not an ideal as a 3-4 ILB. Luke doesnt have the size and isnt stout enough. Not taking a shot at the guy been a huge fan of his for years just saying. He isnt much of a pass rusher either

If Luke was available to houston and baltimore, it wouldn't completely shock me if they value hightower more for their schemes.Then again hightower getting drafted above kuechly sounds like a joke

NYG_88
03-25-2012, 05:38 PM
The Int he ran for a TD shows he has great speed and recognition. If he can make it through ARI, SEA, NE, PITT, HOU, and BAL he comes to the NY Giants.

bLuereverie
03-25-2012, 06:13 PM
on tape, he still looks slow to me. Anyone?


pretty sure its just you.

I think it's his way of saying he's white?

XxBigWhitxX
03-25-2012, 06:20 PM
on tape, he still looks slow to me.* Anyone?*


pretty sure its just you.

I think it's his way of saying he's white?
one of the fastest white LBs I've seen in a while. faster than Urlacher and Lee if u ask me.

bLuereverie
03-25-2012, 06:26 PM
He's plenty fast when compared to anyone. period

RagTime Blue
03-25-2012, 06:45 PM
We won two Super Bowls with MLB starters who weren't even drafted.

No disrespect to Luke, but I'd be disappointed if we used more than one pick to get a single LB.

Then again, Reese is the talent scout and I'm the complaining fan. . .and I love it that way!

Go G-Men~

Redeyejedi
03-25-2012, 07:12 PM
"nfl scouts you can stop drooling"

Hilarity

Luke looks like an elite athlete here. Sideline to sideline speed and routinely showed a tremendous closing burst.

Anyone who thinks he might struggle playing man coverage in the nfl needs to look at this video.Struggled against CLemson in coverage

Redeyejedi
03-25-2012, 07:18 PM
on tape, he still looks slow to me. Anyone?
pretty sure its just you.He isnt slow. The thing that bothers me is his lower body.He isnt very stout.I think he might be more of a WLB. This is the same gut that got trucked by the UCF QB.</P>


Here are some other games that I did. I show a lot more snaps then this guys vids</P>


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<DIV class=vm-video-title><SPAN class="vm-video-title-container yt-uix-tooltip"><FONT color=#020f42>Luke Kuechly vs Clemson 2011</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jyoY1ildmg)</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#1c62b9>Luke Kuechly vs Florida State 2011</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3TtahBkHk7Y)</DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Luke Kuechly vs UCF 2011</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CY6m8qAhVhw)</DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Luke Kuechly vs Nevada 2011 (Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl)</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz1g1K-wPqo) </DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#0033cc>Luke Kuelchy vs Notre Dame 2010</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNJHAq_igwU)</DIV>
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<DIV class=vm-video-title><FONT color=#667766>Luke Kuechly vs. Clemson (2010)</FONT> (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQchsQlvJZg&amp;feature=channel_video_title) </DIV></DIV>

Neverend
03-25-2012, 08:27 PM
interestingly enough, luke only had 9 total measely tackles in that game compared to his usual 16 plus. Maybe thats why that vid doesnt have that many snaps I guess

Agree tho, he isnt very stout. I wonder if thats so much of a concern that 3-4 teams will have a lower grade on him? Imagine Hightower and kuechly available to the texans and they take hightower? Would be incredible

Neverend
03-25-2012, 08:55 PM
"nfl scouts you can stop drooling"

Hilarity

Luke looks like an elite athlete here. Sideline to sideline speed and routinely showed a tremendous closing burst.

Anyone who thinks he might struggle playing man coverage in the nfl needs to look at this video.Struggled against CLemson in coverage

dont think it was that bad, tho that clemson game had exclusively all zone cvg. his route recognition, awareness, and speed recovering from playaction can be a little better and at times he did struggle locating the ball in the air. but i think hes still an excellent zone corner, as long as he reads the qb, recognizes routes, and gets depth its good enough for me

like that seam route late in the game to watkins. he had great depth but watkins was able to leap too high for luke to make a play on that. I think thats what you want from a LB dropping deep -- if he can effect the flight of the throw and force a QB to sail it high or float it, then the linebacker did his job in zone. That watkins catch is a good example. And in zone cvg kuechly always does an excellent job of giving up no extra yardage underneath.

Game wasnt perfect for him but nothing that seems like it would be a major liability in the nfl imo

heavyhitter
03-25-2012, 09:14 PM
"nfl scouts you can stop drooling"

Hilarity

Luke looks like an elite athlete here. Sideline to sideline speed and routinely showed a tremendous closing burst.

Anyone who thinks he might struggle playing man coverage in the nfl needs to look at this video.Struggled against CLemson in coverage

dont think it was that bad, tho that clemson game had exclusively all zone cvg. his route recognition, awareness, and speed recovering from playaction can be a little better and at times he did struggle locating the ball in the air. but i think hes still an excellent zone corner, as long as he reads the qb, recognizes routes, and gets depth its good enough for me

like<font style="font-weight: bold;" size="3"> <u><font size="4">that seam route late in the game to watkins</font></u></font>. he had great depth but watkins was able to leap too high for luke to make a play on that. I think thats what you want from a LB dropping deep -- if he can effect the flight of the throw and force a QB to sail it high or float it, then the linebacker did his job in zone. That watkins catch is a good example. And in zone cvg kuechly always does an excellent job of giving up no extra yardage underneath.

Game wasnt perfect for him but nothing that seems like it would be a major liability in the nfl imo<font size="2">Getting a little off subject, but Sammy Watkins is the real deal. Wish he would have stayed and played his college ball in state.</font>

heavyhitter
03-25-2012, 09:18 PM
<font size="2">Kuechly is a great prospect, but I'm not in favor in trading up for him and I don't see the Giants making a move like that either. </font>

wideright91
03-26-2012, 02:34 AM
on tape, he still looks slow to me. Anyone?


pretty sure its just you.

I think it's his way of saying he's white?





on tape, he still looks slow to me. Anyone?


pretty sure its just you.

I think it's his way of saying he's white?




No, it's my way of saying he doesn't have as much recovery speed as
you'd like to see out of a first round prospect. Lest ye forget, we
play in the same division as Michael Vick, LeSean McCoy and, next year, RG3. Our
linebackers need to be athletic.



Watch the UCF game highlights--he makes a lot of plays, but he also gets torched &amp; bulled over by some inferior talent.
Even in that heralded Miami game, he gets caught out of position a
couple of times, and doesn't have the wheels to make up for it. I don't think he's the next
Urlacher--he's probably more like the next Dan Connor. (Which is good, just not great.)
I'd much rather see us take a later pick on Levante David, Zach Brown,
or Bobby Wagner--or let our 2011 picks develop.



Don't get me wrong: he's a solid prospect who would be a solid
Giant--I think he'd be the kind of player whose recognition skills would put him in position to make plays, not to mention a fantastic defensive field general--I'm just
not as sold on him as a lot of other folks seem to be, and think it'd be
a mistake to *trade up* for him--the subject of this post.

BlueBlooded1979
03-26-2012, 02:50 AM
He is decent but not great in coverage. If Jacory Harris could throw a deal ball he would have been burned for a deep TD.
His pick was OK. Chase Blackburn basically made the same play against Rodgers during the regular season. The return was special though. He made and awkward catch and was at full speed in a few steps.

Not a whole lot on that video of him taking a TE up the field. His sideline to sideline play is exceptional though.

Worth burning multiple picks for ? Not in this defense, not in todays NFL when pure cover guys are at a premium and LB stock is way down.