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Kase-1
03-28-2012, 03:00 PM
1st- Mike Barron- Safety- 'Bama
Alternate: Mike Adams- OT- Ohio State


He screams "professional defensive back" from preparation, to warm-ups,
to in-game productivity and presence. A stalwart at the position, he has
the size and athletic ability to contribute right away in the NFL. He
is a safety with great range and ball skills to make big plays, and also
is a contributor in run support to use his size and instincts to be an
active defender</p>

Barron was the on-field quarterback for Alabama's complex and
devastating defense. After the snap, he became an enforcer whose
physical play was a reason Alabama's defense was No. 1 in the nation. He
was especially responsible for preventing the big play, which he did
well enough to be named first team All-American in 2011.


</p>However, as a college strong safety trying to find a place in the
pass-happy NFL, Barron might have benefitted by showing in workouts
that he has the speed and agility to make it at the next level.

<article id="yui_3_4_1_1_1332958930408_4953">
<h4>Strengths</h4><h4>Barron reads routes and fills in run support
well, and has the hands and reactions to make plays on the ball. Given
his size and instincts, he is often around the ball and uses his size
and natural ability to make plays. He is a sure tackler and puts himself
in great position to make plays with sound foot technique for his size.
Barron transitions well in coverage and can cover a variety of
offensive players in different positions. He comes downfield with a head
of steam in the run game and can move fluidly to run down and cover
fast receivers in the pass.
</h4></article>


<article>
<h4>Weaknesses</h4><h4>Barron has a tendency to get lazy with his
backpedal and hesitates in transition due to his size, but this does not
effect him often. He will launch himself at times into the ball
carrier, which could prove to be a fault at the next level. Barron has
displayed many pro traits throughout his career and while he may not
step in and be an All-Pro, he has shown few weaknesses in his game while
competing at the collegiate level.
</h4></article>Man Coverage: Not often asked to drop down and cover the slot in this
scheme. Is a bit stiff in the hips and has only average change of
direction. Does show a late burst to close on the football.




Zone Coverage: Good instincts and overall athleticism for zone
coverage. A bit high in his backpedal as he's a high cut athlete, but
can plant and drive downhill on the football. Reads the quarterback's
eyes and has good feet, balance and straight-line speed, aiding him in
being in consistently good position when in pass coverage.


</p>

Ball Skills: Classic ball hawk. Reads the quarterback's eyes and
does a nice job of breaking on the throw. Good acceleration and
straight-line speed. Very good ball skills for the position. Generally
times his leaps well and has good hand-eye coordination to make the
difficult grab. Good vision and natural running skills with the
football.


</p>

Run Support: Reads run quickly and aggressively attacks, taking
out blockers when he has help behind him. Unafraid of playing near the
line of scrimmage, though he shows only average strength and technique
to disengage. Good agility and speed to avoid blockers, showing an
ability to make a lot of plays at or near the line of scrimmage. Prone
to overrunning the play, however, and leaving potential cutback lanes
for backs to exploit.


</p>

Tackling: Isn't as reliable an open-field tackler as you'd think,
considering his reputation. Flies upfield in run support and can fail
to break down properly. Doesn't possess the elite agility to dance with
runners in the open field and always make the secure stop. Physical
hitter who teases with textbook hit-lift-drive technique, but will also
duck his head occasion to make the big hit and miss entirely or fail to
wrap up securely and have the ball-carrier spin through his attempted
tackle. Among his better traits, however, is his ability to take good
angles when in pursuit. Understands his role as the last line of defense
and rarely allows ball-carriers to get past him when he is in this
position.


</p>
2nd- Vinny Curry- DE- Marshall
Alternate: Whitney Mercilus- DE- Illinois


Pass rush: Relentless and strong off the edge as a pass rusher when
fresh. Gets under the pads of tackles to bull rush them into the
backfield. Gives second and third effort to reach the passer. Uses his
hands to swim past linemen. Struggles to beat cut blocks with his hands.
Inconsistent get-off, stands straight up into his blocker and does not
shed later in games. Plays a bit out of control, loses his balance when
trying to shake tackles. Challenge interior linemen with quickness and
strong hands when lined up inside.


</p>

Run defense: Chase defender outside, has good closing speed and
hustle to get to ballcarriers running to or away from him. Works through
multiple blockers to get to the ball, or at least force plays to other
defenders. May take a false step inside on zone reads, but generally
stays at home to keep containment.


</p>

Explosion: Usually comes off the snap in a hurry and very strong
from either side of the formation. May not beat NFL tackles as a pure
speed rusher, but will challenge their upfield shoulder. Quick enough to
take inside lane if tackle guesses on speed rush. His initial quickness
lets up later in games.


</p>

Strength: Plays with intensity and a nice anchor even when giving
up 40-50 pounds against most blockers. Shows pop as a bull rusher.
Stands up well against the run when lined up at five-technique, but must
prove he has the bulk and strength to handle NFL linemen one-on-one or
double-teams before moving inside.


</p>

Tackling: Possesses NFL-caliber length and strength as a tackler.
Makes backside plays with regularity when zone schemes leave him
unblocked. Gives great effort, following the ball to either sideline no
matter where he is lined up. Adds himself to piles as the third or
fourth defender. Spins off piles inside and finds the ballcarrier to
drag him down.


</p>

Intangibles: Team leader, younger players look up to him.
Positive attitude in the locker room, works well with the media. Hustle
on the field reflects work ethic off the field. No major off-field
incidents. Could have entered the draft in 2011 as a potential top 100
pick, chose to return to "win a championship".
</p>


</p>

3rd- Kelechi Osemele- OT- Iowa State

Alternate: Omar Bolden- CB- Az State
</p>

Pass blocking: Aggressive pass blocker with NFL-caliber length and
thick frame. Plays with a wide base and locks onto rush ends with very
strong hands. Few college defenders can bull rush against his strong
anchor or get around his long arms to reach the quarterback. His pass
pro technique needs work, however, and he stands up after the snap,
lateral quickness is inconsistent, crosses his feet, and gets off
balance too easily, giving up the corner against fast ends. Lacks
recovery speed to prevent secondary rush if beaten in inside lane.
Susceptible to holding calls when reaching or being a bit
overaggressive.


</p>

Run blocking: Possesses a guard build, with a little extra girth
in the middle, and is bulldozer as a run blocker inside. Uses strong
upper body to latch onto and control any defender getting into his path.
Finishes blocks. Agile enough to down-black the tackle then reach a
linebacker waiting in the box. Will even jump towards a second target if
he sees back coming through the hole. Need to work on getting low in
short-yardage situations. Inconsistent cut blocker, more effective when
getting down to prevent backside pursuit in run game rather than
bringing down rushers on quick passes.


</p>

Pulling/trapping: Owns short-area quickness to trap, and will
negate targets in that role, but is most effective when staying in tight
quarters or moving straight-ahead off the snap. Would be limited to
hitting first target and could get in running back's way if asked to
pull.


</p>

Initial Quickness: Gets his massive frame moving more quickly
than anticipated off the snap. Good explosion from three-point stance.
Jumps inside to wall off defenders from inside lanes and is effective
taking out tackle's shoulder on zone-blocking plays.


</p>

Downfield: Lacks great foot speed to adjust to smaller defenders
but gives good effort to get to second level or further. Attacks targets
and attempts to sustain instead of just punching. Bends at the waist,
overextends while holding block in space but is generally effective due
to his size and strong hands.


</p>

Intangibles: Plays with legitimate nastiness, gets after it on
every play and will through the whistle if challenged. Smart player who
called out blitzes, has changed positions in college, and works hard to
improve every year.



</p>


</p>

4th- Derek Wolfe- DT- Cincinnati

Alternate: LaDarius Green- TE- Louisiansa-Lafayette
</p>

Strengths: Has a tall, solid frame with adequate length and has done a
nice job losing the bad weight and firming his body. Has a quick first
step with fluid movements off the ball. A natural bender, staying low
and using leverage to force his way into the backfield. Highly
competitive and fierce, showing relentless effort to the pocket with a
nonstop motor. Has very good awareness, keeping his head on a swivel
with a good feel to quickly locate and react to the play. Tough as nails
with a physical attitude and often attracts double-teams. An extremely
hard worker in the weight room and doesn?t let up in practice. Versatile
in college, lining up in several different spots, including moving to
nose tackle over the center on third downs. Stayed durable over his
career, starting the final 38 games of his collegiate career. Was
productive at Cincinnati, especially as a senior when he led the
conference in tackles for loss (21.5) and had career-highs in tackles
(70) and sacks (9.5).


</p>

Negatives: Only average lower-body strength and
struggles to anchor at the point of attack. Bit of a defensive
end/defensive tackle ?tweener who struggles in traffic with multiple
blockers, not always using his limbs effectively to disengage. Will
allow his body to get too upright at times and needs to consistently
keep his pad level down to be effective. Not a quick-twitch player and
struggles to quickly change directions with some body stiffness. Has
streaky hand placement and usage, abandoning his technique. Lacks a
natural position and there will be some concerns as to where he will fit
best at the next level.
</p>
4th- Chris Rainey- RB- Florida
Alternate: Juron Criner- WR- Arizona
An extremely versatile athlete capable of making an impact as a running
back, receiver or special teams standout, Rainey emerged during his
senior season to be the first Florida running back since Emmitt Smith to
lead the Gators in both rushing yards (861) and receptions (31).
<article>
<h4>Strengths</h4> Rainey is quick off the snap to make a
decision and hit the hole hard. He usually looks to get the edge and
almost always does. He is a very effective short-area mover who can
ignite a two-step power move to beat a defender laterally and get to the
edge. He is the type of athlete whose explosion is obvious every time
he sticks his toes in the ground. He is always a threat to get the edge,
make one quick inside move, and take it the distance. He is a
straight-line runner but is elusive and make defenders miss in the open
field. He is a good route runner out of the backfield and out of the
slot and he will likely get work there early in the pros.
</article>


<article>
<h4>Weaknesses</h4> Rainey is undersized and it shows when he
tries to run inside or pass protect. He almost always looks to get
outside and will go down on contact when running in the box. He is not
willing nor able to block linebackers and protect the quarterback and
will get overpowered at the next level. He is a strict work-in-space
player at the next level and will have a hard time playing as a
traditional running back.



Strengths: Perhaps the most explosive cutting ability and
straight-line speed of any athlete in the 2012 draft. Can make defenders
look silly due to his lateral agility and sudden acceleration.
Versatile. Saw time as a running back, receiver, punt returner and kick
returner for the Gators Looks natural catching the ball out of the
backfield and has shown the ability to track the ball over his shoulder
and snatch passes outside of his frame Has struggled a bit with
durability over his career but is willing to play with pain Relishes
his opportunities on special teams but is not just a return specialist
Explosive burst led to his breaking the school and SEC record with six
blocked punts.


</p>

Weaknesses: A bit of a luxury prospect for the next level.
Certainly is a versatile, playmaking athlete but provides next to
nothing as a blocker which means he'll be an obvious focus of the
defense whenever he's on the field. Caught most of his passes on simple
dump-offs and quick screens. Struggled tracking the ball over his
shoulder as well as adjusting to poorly thrown passes over his career
Has had continued issues with his shoulders dating back to high school
which will require a close look by team doctors at the Combine.
Character red-flag Was charged with aggravated stalking (a felony)
after sending a threatening text message to a former girl friend in
2010. The charges were dropped as part of a pre-trial agreement in which
he had to complete an intervention program
</p>


</p>5th- Ryan Miller- OL- Colorado
Alternate:Terell Manning- OLB- NC State
</article>Pass blocking: Possesses tackle size and strength, along with natural
bend. Strong punch knocks back or re-routes rushers. Tough anchor, hard
to move against bull rushes. Owns lateral agility to help tackle if
uncovered, hustles around the pocket if defender could get secondary
rush. Inconsistent extending his arms initially, allows rushers to get
into his body. Fair recovery if shed, though, moves his feet and uses
his length to knock rushers off their path.




Run blocking: Powerful run blocker capable of moving tackles out
of the hole with his upper body. Stays low despite his height to get
leverage, moves his feet to push the pile or maintain the line of
scrimmage. Agile enough to block on the move, whether coaches move the
pocket or using his frame and quick feet to ensure defender is cleared
on zone plays. Adds himself to piles to push them forward. Extends his
arms during the play to exercise his dominance. Relies on his size to
stop his man, needs to get his hands into their jersey to prevent them
from swimming past or ripping off.


</p>

Pulling/trapping: Even with tackle size, Miller has nimble enough
feet to trap inside. Uses length and agility to take out targets in his
direct path, but also flexibility and vision to adjust to inside
targets in close quarters. His chest presents big target for NFL
defenders to hit, and will create a pile in the hole if tripped up due
to his height.


</p>

Initial Quickness: Quick off the snap for his size. Even if
allowing some penetration in pass protection, moves his feet and extends
arms to keep defender from turning towards the passer. Hooks inside
defenders on run plays to prevent backside tackles. Effective combo
blocker, owning strength to chip down in either direction and agility to
reach linebackers. Needs to get his hands up more quickly into his
man's jersey or NFL defenders will beat him initially.


</p>

Downfield: Effective reaching the second level and beyond as a
run blocker. Easily directs safeties and linebackers directly in his
path out of running lanes. Used as personal pass protector for
quarterbacks outside the pocket and in front of screens. Lacks elite
change of direction to grab smaller targets but gives effort, gets down
quickly to take them out if his way.


</p>

Kase-1
03-28-2012, 03:02 PM
Hey Kruunch ya converted me with Barron!!!!

There are other OT prospects that are just as good as Adams in the 2nd and 3rd rounds

lawl
03-28-2012, 05:58 PM
Mercilus is a top 25 talent, if he's there in the first round we take him.

I don't like no wr pick in the first two rounds.

Kase-1
03-28-2012, 11:36 PM
Mercilus is a top 25 talent, if he's there in the first round we take him.

I don't like no wr pick in the first two rounds.He only had 1 good season and nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/whitney-mercilus?id=2533049) says he's a 3rd rounder

Whitney is an early entry junior who red-shirted as a freshman and
started only one year in 2011 at Illinois. He played the weakside end at
Illinois and would be best served there in a 4-3 defense in the NFL. He
has third-round value but could ascend if he times well in pre-draft
workouts and continues to show his athletic ability.

I really dont think WR is THAT big of a need, Cruz &amp; Nicks are a great tandem and Healthy Hixon, Barden, and Jerrnigan can pick up the slack for Manningham. A guy like Juron Criner from Arizona who posted 83rec 1244yds and 11tds in 2010 and 75rec 956yds and 11tds in 2011 would be nice in the middle of the draft

Kruunch
03-29-2012, 09:36 AM
Mercilus is a top 25 talent, if he's there in the first round we take him.

I don't like no wr pick in the first two rounds.He only had 1 good season and nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/whitney-mercilus?id=2533049) says he's a 3rd rounder

Whitney is an early entry junior who red-shirted as a freshman and
started only one year in 2011 at Illinois. He played the weakside end at
Illinois and would be best served there in a 4-3 defense in the NFL. He
has third-round value but could ascend if he times well in pre-draft
workouts and continues to show his athletic ability.

I really dont think WR is THAT big of a need, Cruz & Nicks are a great tandem and Healthy Hixon, Barden, and Jerrnigan can pick up the slack for Manningham.* A guy like Juron Criner from Arizona who posted 83rec 1244yds and 11tds in 2010 and 75rec 956yds and 11tds in 2011 would be nice in the middle of the draft


Look at game tape on Mercilus ... he was an absolute terror in 2011 and in college you only need one year to pop your draft (as long as its your lastest year).

He'll go well before we pick in the first imo (NFL Draft Scout and CBS Sports has him listed in the Top 20).

I like your pick on Barron (guess I did you sell on him). Impressive kid ain't he? Just hope he doesn't concuss himself out of a career (imagine him going head-to-head with Jacobs ... ouch!).

I don't like your second pick as much. I don't think we're going high on DE this year (yeah I know the Giants love their DEs) ... I think Lawl was right when he said DT is probably our biggest defensive need (although most of that depends on Reese's future plans with Canty). And if that's truly the case, I think we end up going DT in the first if one falls to us.

I think the Giants might very well go Sanu in the second however. While I agree that WR isn't as big of a need as others have made out, I think Sanu ends up being BPA at the end of the second and he fits what the Giants do on offense really well (very Hakeem Nicks like). However I think the Giants might be high on Juron Criner later on (again, very similar to Nicks).

Kelechi Osemele is projected to go by the end of the second (and some have thought I was insane that he might be there at the end of the second no less). I highly doubt he's around at the end of the 3rd. If anything I think he's our 2nd round pick.

I like your 4th round choices.

Kase-1
03-29-2012, 10:07 AM
Mercilus is a top 25 talent, if he's there in the first round we take him.

I don't like no wr pick in the first two rounds.He only had 1 good season and nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/whitney-mercilus?id=2533049) says he's a 3rd rounder

Whitney is an early entry junior who red-shirted as a freshman and
started only one year in 2011 at Illinois. He played the weakside end at
Illinois and would be best served there in a 4-3 defense in the NFL. He
has third-round value but could ascend if he times well in pre-draft
workouts and continues to show his athletic ability.

I really dont think WR is THAT big of a need, Cruz &amp; Nicks are a great tandem and Healthy Hixon, Barden, and Jerrnigan can pick up the slack for Manningham. A guy like Juron Criner from Arizona who posted 83rec 1244yds and 11tds in 2010 and 75rec 956yds and 11tds in 2011 would be nice in the middle of the draft


Look at game tape on Mercilus ... he was an absolute terror in 2011 and in college you only need one year to pop your draft (as long as its your lastest year).

He'll go well before we pick in the first imo (NFL Draft Scout and CBS Sports has him listed in the Top 20).

I like your pick on Barron (guess I did you sell on him). Impressive kid ain't he? Just hope he doesn't concuss himself out of a career (imagine him going head-to-head with Jacobs ... ouch!).

I don't like your second pick as much. I don't think we're going high on DE this year (yeah I know the Giants love their DEs) ... I think Lawl was right when he said DT is probably our biggest defensive need (although most of that depends on Reese's future plans with Canty). And if that's truly the case, I think we end up going DT in the first if one falls to us.

I think the Giants might very well go Sanu in the second however. While I agree that WR isn't as big of a need as others have made out, I think Sanu ends up being BPA at the end of the second and he fits what the Giants do on offense really well (very Hakeem Nicks like). However I think the Giants might be high on Juron Criner later on (again, very similar to Nicks).

Kelechi Osemele is projected to go by the end of the second (and some have thought I was insane that he might be there at the end of the second no less). I highly doubt he's around at the end of the 3rd. If anything I think he's our 2nd round pick.

I like your 4th round choices.

Game tapes on Mercilus look GREAT (just like tape on Curry) but he only had 1 good season, he has a decent amount of downside, and he doesnt see like he could step in and produce immediatley (no I didnt forget about JPP), but alot of sites are projecting him as a 3-4 OLB, which I totally disagree on

From all of the game tape and analysis Ive read none of the big name DTs really jump out at me like we NEED to get them in the 1st asap. Yea Poe, Cox and Reyes sound nice, but Poe and Cox are probably not gonna be there and Im just not 100% sold on Reyes.

Im a fan of local kids who are from the Tri-State and play their college ball in the area, but we could get a WR just as good as Sanu later in the draft. Dude is a straight up MEAN WR, but I dont think a 2nd round pick is worth it for a 3rd WR, maybe next season WR may warrant more attention, but this year we could get away with a guy in the middle rounds..... The more I watch him the more im a huge fan of Juron Criner

It depends what we do in the 1st, I can def see us addressing the OT spots but im just not sure where.

Kruunch
03-29-2012, 10:29 AM
Mercilus is a top 25 talent, if he's there in the first round we take him.

I don't like no wr pick in the first two rounds.He only had 1 good season and nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/whitney-mercilus?id=2533049) says he's a 3rd rounder

Whitney is an early entry junior who red-shirted as a freshman and
started only one year in 2011 at Illinois. He played the weakside end at
Illinois and would be best served there in a 4-3 defense in the NFL. He
has third-round value but could ascend if he times well in pre-draft
workouts and continues to show his athletic ability.

I really dont think WR is THAT big of a need, Cruz & Nicks are a great tandem and Healthy Hixon, Barden, and Jerrnigan can pick up the slack for Manningham.* A guy like Juron Criner from Arizona who posted 83rec 1244yds and 11tds in 2010 and 75rec 956yds and 11tds in 2011 would be nice in the middle of the draft


Look at game tape on Mercilus ... he was an absolute terror in 2011 and in college you only need one year to pop your draft (as long as its your lastest year).

He'll go well before we pick in the first imo (NFL Draft Scout and CBS Sports has him listed in the Top 20).

I like your pick on Barron (guess I did you sell on him). Impressive kid ain't he? Just hope he doesn't concuss himself out of a career (imagine him going head-to-head with Jacobs ... ouch!).

I don't like your second pick as much. I don't think we're going high on DE this year (yeah I know the Giants love their DEs) ... I think Lawl was right when he said DT is probably our biggest defensive need (although most of that depends on Reese's future plans with Canty). And if that's truly the case, I think we end up going DT in the first if one falls to us.

I think the Giants might very well go Sanu in the second however. While I agree that WR isn't as big of a need as others have made out, I think Sanu ends up being BPA at the end of the second and he fits what the Giants do on offense really well (very Hakeem Nicks like). However I think the Giants might be high on Juron Criner later on (again, very similar to Nicks).

Kelechi Osemele is projected to go by the end of the second (and some have thought I was insane that he might be there at the end of the second no less). I highly doubt he's around at the end of the 3rd. If anything I think he's our 2nd round pick.

I like your 4th round choices.

Game tapes on* Mercilus look GREAT (just like tape on Curry) but he only had 1 good season, he has a decent amount of downside, and he doesnt see like he could step in and produce immediatley (no I didnt forget about JPP), but alot of sites are projecting him as a 3-4 OLB, which I totally disagree on

From all of the game tape and analysis Ive read none of the big name DTs really jump out at me like we NEED to get them in the 1st asap.* Yea Poe, Cox and Reyes sound nice, but Poe and Cox are probably not gonna be there and Im just not 100% sold on Reyes.

Im a fan of local kids who are from the Tri-State and play their college ball in the area, but we could get a WR just as good as Sanu later in the draft.* Dude is a straight up MEAN WR, but I dont think a 2nd round pick is worth it for a 3rd WR, maybe next season WR may warrant more attention, but this year we could get away with a guy in the middle rounds..... The more I watch him the more im a huge fan of Juron Criner

It depends what we do in the 1st, I can def see us addressing the OT spots but im just not sure where.


Well Poe is a pure NT prospect ... and no way he or Cox make it to us I agree.

However there is a huge drop off between Reyes/Worthy/Still and a guy like Wolfe later on in the draft.

It really all depends on how high Reese has those guys graded (which none of us know obviously).

I think the Giants will go bang-for-the-buck with OT ... Nate Potter type since we have our starters in line currently.

There is no actual NEED position this year with relation to having a starter ... so it will be interesting to see how the draft unfolds.

P.S. - Barron's stock is starting to rise again ... he could very well be gone by the time we pick. Most people will crap on this but this could very well be the year we go RB in the first round only because he's far and away BPA/need by the time we pick (Doug Martin (assuming the Stewart trade rumors aren't founded)).

Kase-1
03-29-2012, 10:55 AM
Mercilus is a top 25 talent, if he's there in the first round we take him.

I don't like no wr pick in the first two rounds.He only had 1 good season and nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/whitney-mercilus?id=2533049) says he's a 3rd rounder

Whitney is an early entry junior who red-shirted as a freshman and
started only one year in 2011 at Illinois. He played the weakside end at
Illinois and would be best served there in a 4-3 defense in the NFL. He
has third-round value but could ascend if he times well in pre-draft
workouts and continues to show his athletic ability.

I really dont think WR is THAT big of a need, Cruz &amp; Nicks are a great tandem and Healthy Hixon, Barden, and Jerrnigan can pick up the slack for Manningham. A guy like Juron Criner from Arizona who posted 83rec 1244yds and 11tds in 2010 and 75rec 956yds and 11tds in 2011 would be nice in the middle of the draft


Look at game tape on Mercilus ... he was an absolute terror in 2011 and in college you only need one year to pop your draft (as long as its your lastest year).

He'll go well before we pick in the first imo (NFL Draft Scout and CBS Sports has him listed in the Top 20).

I like your pick on Barron (guess I did you sell on him). Impressive kid ain't he? Just hope he doesn't concuss himself out of a career (imagine him going head-to-head with Jacobs ... ouch!).

I don't like your second pick as much. I don't think we're going high on DE this year (yeah I know the Giants love their DEs) ... I think Lawl was right when he said DT is probably our biggest defensive need (although most of that depends on Reese's future plans with Canty). And if that's truly the case, I think we end up going DT in the first if one falls to us.

I think the Giants might very well go Sanu in the second however. While I agree that WR isn't as big of a need as others have made out, I think Sanu ends up being BPA at the end of the second and he fits what the Giants do on offense really well (very Hakeem Nicks like). However I think the Giants might be high on Juron Criner later on (again, very similar to Nicks).

Kelechi Osemele is projected to go by the end of the second (and some have thought I was insane that he might be there at the end of the second no less). I highly doubt he's around at the end of the 3rd. If anything I think he's our 2nd round pick.

I like your 4th round choices.

Game tapes on Mercilus look GREAT (just like tape on Curry) but he only had 1 good season, he has a decent amount of downside, and he doesnt see like he could step in and produce immediatley (no I didnt forget about JPP), but alot of sites are projecting him as a 3-4 OLB, which I totally disagree on

From all of the game tape and analysis Ive read none of the big name DTs really jump out at me like we NEED to get them in the 1st asap. Yea Poe, Cox and Reyes sound nice, but Poe and Cox are probably not gonna be there and Im just not 100% sold on Reyes.

Im a fan of local kids who are from the Tri-State and play their college ball in the area, but we could get a WR just as good as Sanu later in the draft. Dude is a straight up MEAN WR, but I dont think a 2nd round pick is worth it for a 3rd WR, maybe next season WR may warrant more attention, but this year we could get away with a guy in the middle rounds..... The more I watch him the more im a huge fan of Juron Criner

It depends what we do in the 1st, I can def see us addressing the OT spots but im just not sure where.


Well Poe is a pure NT prospect ... and no way he or Cox make it to us I agree.

However there is a huge drop off between Reyes/Worthy/Still and a guy like Wolfe later on in the draft.

It really all depends on how high Reese has those guys graded (which none of us know obviously).

I think the Giants will go bang-for-the-buck with OT ... Nate Potter type since we have our starters in line currently.

There is no actual NEED position this year with relation to having a starter ... so it will be interesting to see how the draft unfolds.

P.S. - Barron's stock is starting to rise again ... he could very well be gone by the time we pick. Most people will crap on this but this could very well be the year we go RB in the first round only because he's far and away BPA/need by the time we pick (Doug Martin (assuming the Stewart trade rumors aren't founded)).Still/Worthy/Reyes look to be more stout at the point of attack, but on tape it looks like Wolfe has the definite agility and speed advantage. Worthy/Still/Reyes wouldnt be bad but I really dont see THAT much of a drop off between them and a guy like Wolfe, I know they have the size but Wolfe has the motor and speed

I wouldnt be 'disappointed' with any of those 4 DTs, but Im still up in the air with our 1st round pick. I know I said Barron before, but honestly we could go 5 different ways and Id be fine with it

Kruunch
03-29-2012, 11:06 AM
Mercilus is a top 25 talent, if he's there in the first round we take him.

I don't like no wr pick in the first two rounds.He only had 1 good season and nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/whitney-mercilus?id=2533049) says he's a 3rd rounder

Whitney is an early entry junior who red-shirted as a freshman and
started only one year in 2011 at Illinois. He played the weakside end at
Illinois and would be best served there in a 4-3 defense in the NFL. He
has third-round value but could ascend if he times well in pre-draft
workouts and continues to show his athletic ability.

I really dont think WR is THAT big of a need, Cruz & Nicks are a great tandem and Healthy Hixon, Barden, and Jerrnigan can pick up the slack for Manningham.* A guy like Juron Criner from Arizona who posted 83rec 1244yds and 11tds in 2010 and 75rec 956yds and 11tds in 2011 would be nice in the middle of the draft


Look at game tape on Mercilus ... he was an absolute terror in 2011 and in college you only need one year to pop your draft (as long as its your lastest year).

He'll go well before we pick in the first imo (NFL Draft Scout and CBS Sports has him listed in the Top 20).

I like your pick on Barron (guess I did you sell on him). Impressive kid ain't he? Just hope he doesn't concuss himself out of a career (imagine him going head-to-head with Jacobs ... ouch!).

I don't like your second pick as much. I don't think we're going high on DE this year (yeah I know the Giants love their DEs) ... I think Lawl was right when he said DT is probably our biggest defensive need (although most of that depends on Reese's future plans with Canty). And if that's truly the case, I think we end up going DT in the first if one falls to us.

I think the Giants might very well go Sanu in the second however. While I agree that WR isn't as big of a need as others have made out, I think Sanu ends up being BPA at the end of the second and he fits what the Giants do on offense really well (very Hakeem Nicks like). However I think the Giants might be high on Juron Criner later on (again, very similar to Nicks).

Kelechi Osemele is projected to go by the end of the second (and some have thought I was insane that he might be there at the end of the second no less). I highly doubt he's around at the end of the 3rd. If anything I think he's our 2nd round pick.

I like your 4th round choices.

Game tapes on* Mercilus look GREAT (just like tape on Curry) but he only had 1 good season, he has a decent amount of downside, and he doesnt see like he could step in and produce immediatley (no I didnt forget about JPP), but alot of sites are projecting him as a 3-4 OLB, which I totally disagree on

From all of the game tape and analysis Ive read none of the big name DTs really jump out at me like we NEED to get them in the 1st asap.* Yea Poe, Cox and Reyes sound nice, but Poe and Cox are probably not gonna be there and Im just not 100% sold on Reyes.

Im a fan of local kids who are from the Tri-State and play their college ball in the area, but we could get a WR just as good as Sanu later in the draft.* Dude is a straight up MEAN WR, but I dont think a 2nd round pick is worth it for a 3rd WR, maybe next season WR may warrant more attention, but this year we could get away with a guy in the middle rounds..... The more I watch him the more im a huge fan of Juron Criner

It depends what we do in the 1st, I can def see us addressing the OT spots but im just not sure where.


Well Poe is a pure NT prospect ... and no way he or Cox make it to us I agree.

However there is a huge drop off between Reyes/Worthy/Still and a guy like Wolfe later on in the draft.

It really all depends on how high Reese has those guys graded (which none of us know obviously).

I think the Giants will go bang-for-the-buck with OT ... Nate Potter type since we have our starters in line currently.

There is no actual NEED position this year with relation to having a starter ... so it will be interesting to see how the draft unfolds.

P.S. - Barron's stock is starting to rise again ... he could very well be gone by the time we pick. Most people will crap on this but this could very well be the year we go RB in the first round only because he's far and away BPA/need by the time we pick (Doug Martin (assuming the Stewart trade rumors aren't founded)).Still/Worthy/Reyes look to be more stout at the point of attack, but on tape it looks like Wolfe has the definite agility and speed advantage.* Worthy/Still/Reyes wouldnt be bad but I really dont see THAT much of a drop off between them and a guy like Wolfe, I know they have the size but Wolfe has the motor and speed

I wouldnt be 'disappointed' with any of those 4 DTs, but Im still up in the air with our 1st round pick.* I know I said Barron before, but honestly we could go 5 different ways and Id be fine with it


The reason I'm not high on Wolfe is that I think he'd get blown off the ball at the NFL level. He can gain weight but there's always the question of whether he can keep up the motor playing heavier.

Not that I think he's *bad* ... but I think there is a big enough gap between him and the 1st round guys to make a note of it (the first round guys don't need as big of an adjustment to their games and frames).

Kase-1
03-29-2012, 11:18 AM
Mercilus is a top 25 talent, if he's there in the first round we take him.

I don't like no wr pick in the first two rounds.He only had 1 good season and nfl.com (http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/whitney-mercilus?id=2533049) says he's a 3rd rounder

Whitney is an early entry junior who red-shirted as a freshman and
started only one year in 2011 at Illinois. He played the weakside end at
Illinois and would be best served there in a 4-3 defense in the NFL. He
has third-round value but could ascend if he times well in pre-draft
workouts and continues to show his athletic ability.

I really dont think WR is THAT big of a need, Cruz &amp; Nicks are a great tandem and Healthy Hixon, Barden, and Jerrnigan can pick up the slack for Manningham. A guy like Juron Criner from Arizona who posted 83rec 1244yds and 11tds in 2010 and 75rec 956yds and 11tds in 2011 would be nice in the middle of the draft


Look at game tape on Mercilus ... he was an absolute terror in 2011 and in college you only need one year to pop your draft (as long as its your lastest year).

He'll go well before we pick in the first imo (NFL Draft Scout and CBS Sports has him listed in the Top 20).

I like your pick on Barron (guess I did you sell on him). Impressive kid ain't he? Just hope he doesn't concuss himself out of a career (imagine him going head-to-head with Jacobs ... ouch!).

I don't like your second pick as much. I don't think we're going high on DE this year (yeah I know the Giants love their DEs) ... I think Lawl was right when he said DT is probably our biggest defensive need (although most of that depends on Reese's future plans with Canty). And if that's truly the case, I think we end up going DT in the first if one falls to us.

I think the Giants might very well go Sanu in the second however. While I agree that WR isn't as big of a need as others have made out, I think Sanu ends up being BPA at the end of the second and he fits what the Giants do on offense really well (very Hakeem Nicks like). However I think the Giants might be high on Juron Criner later on (again, very similar to Nicks).

Kelechi Osemele is projected to go by the end of the second (and some have thought I was insane that he might be there at the end of the second no less). I highly doubt he's around at the end of the 3rd. If anything I think he's our 2nd round pick.

I like your 4th round choices.

Game tapes on Mercilus look GREAT (just like tape on Curry) but he only had 1 good season, he has a decent amount of downside, and he doesnt see like he could step in and produce immediatley (no I didnt forget about JPP), but alot of sites are projecting him as a 3-4 OLB, which I totally disagree on

From all of the game tape and analysis Ive read none of the big name DTs really jump out at me like we NEED to get them in the 1st asap. Yea Poe, Cox and Reyes sound nice, but Poe and Cox are probably not gonna be there and Im just not 100% sold on Reyes.

Im a fan of local kids who are from the Tri-State and play their college ball in the area, but we could get a WR just as good as Sanu later in the draft. Dude is a straight up MEAN WR, but I dont think a 2nd round pick is worth it for a 3rd WR, maybe next season WR may warrant more attention, but this year we could get away with a guy in the middle rounds..... The more I watch him the more im a huge fan of Juron Criner

It depends what we do in the 1st, I can def see us addressing the OT spots but im just not sure where.


Well Poe is a pure NT prospect ... and no way he or Cox make it to us I agree.

However there is a huge drop off between Reyes/Worthy/Still and a guy like Wolfe later on in the draft.

It really all depends on how high Reese has those guys graded (which none of us know obviously).

I think the Giants will go bang-for-the-buck with OT ... Nate Potter type since we have our starters in line currently.

There is no actual NEED position this year with relation to having a starter ... so it will be interesting to see how the draft unfolds.

P.S. - Barron's stock is starting to rise again ... he could very well be gone by the time we pick. Most people will crap on this but this could very well be the year we go RB in the first round only because he's far and away BPA/need by the time we pick (Doug Martin (assuming the Stewart trade rumors aren't founded)).Still/Worthy/Reyes look to be more stout at the point of attack, but on tape it looks like Wolfe has the definite agility and speed advantage. Worthy/Still/Reyes wouldnt be bad but I really dont see THAT much of a drop off between them and a guy like Wolfe, I know they have the size but Wolfe has the motor and speed

I wouldnt be 'disappointed' with any of those 4 DTs, but Im still up in the air with our 1st round pick. I know I said Barron before, but honestly we could go 5 different ways and Id be fine with it


The reason I'm not high on Wolfe is that I think he'd get blown off the ball at the NFL level. He can gain weight but there's always the question of whether he can keep up the motor playing heavier.

Not that I think he's *bad* ... but I think there is a big enough gap between him and the 1st round guys to make a note of it (the first round guys don't need as big of an adjustment to their games and frames).Thats the biggest knock on Wolfe, his size and his handling of double teams (which has been less than stellar). Its all ifs around him, if he can add weight, if he can keep the speed while bulking up, and if his MONSTER season last year was a fluke or a taste of whats to come

..... And thats why we predict and analyze til our fingers are covered in blisters

Kruunch
03-29-2012, 11:54 AM
Thats the biggest knock on Wolfe, his size and his handling of double teams (which has been less than stellar).* Its all ifs around him, if he can add weight, if he can keep the speed while bulking up, and if his MONSTER season last year was a fluke or a taste of whats to come

..... And thats why we predict and analyze til our fingers are covered in blisters


Exactly right. [b]