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rainierjef
04-11-2012, 12:42 AM
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<p class="MsoNormal"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">I want to first thank
you for your feedback negative or positive; and also I found that round 2<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>to be the hardest evaluation out of all 7 due
to the evolving nature of the Offenses in the league, which is why I put two
alternatives. [/i]</p>

<p class="MsoNormal">
</p><p class="MsoNormal">Round 1 . TE - Coby Fleener (STANFORD)</p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:auto;
text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:
Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">
</span></span></span>Note to fans: “It okay to be optimistic about
the M. Bennett signing, but to crown him the savior of the franchise at that the
TE position is ludicrous. Too many DIFFERENT individuals that have worked with
him all have UNIFIED outlooks of his work ethic; Talented, physically built to
be destructive at the position but lacks focus, unmotivated, lazy, quits,
drops…etc.” </p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto">Fleener
is the best blocking Inline TE in the class of TE’s in this draft and he has
room to get better, Coach Pope will have fun developing this kid which will be
a minimal task cause of how intelligent he is at the position.<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>Great hands and good speed, Fleener will be
an instant upgrade to the offense with Eli at helm. </p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;
mso-add-space:auto;text-align:right" align="right"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">Alt
pick if Fleener is not available: RB Lamar Miller [/i]</p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:
auto"></p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:
auto;text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:
Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">
</span></span></span>Note: running backs are much less important than
they used to be before the NFL made rule changes aimed at player safety that
tilted the competitive advantage to teams that have a strong passing game. I
believe that a mad rush for the Receivers, CB/DB, Pass rushing DE’s and reaches
for QB will push the RB prospects down marginally. </p>

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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left: 0in;">
</p><p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto">Round
2. RB - David Wilson (Virgina Tech)</p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto">“I
have this nagging thought that this guy will not be here at 63 allowing
D.Martin to fall into that slot. When evaluating RB’s 40 times are something
that goes hand in hand with the tape and the way the combine/pro days have
shaped out; out of the top 5 RB’s in this draft L.Miller is the fastest with a
4.4 flat, L.James - 4.45/ D.Wilson – 4.49 / D.Martin – 4.55 / T.Richardson –
4.58. And with the devaluation of the position you might see guys like I.Pead
with a 40 time of 4.47 go before D.Martin / D.Wilson because he can also split
as a return man. The value is in speed guys that can create their own holes,
D.Wil / D.Martin are not those type of runners which Is why one of them, are
there at 63, I went with D.Wil cause most analysts have D.Martin as the second
best RB out of all 5. </p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;
mso-add-space:auto;text-align:right" align="right"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">Alt
pick if D.Wilson is not available: 2a. RB – D.Martin / 2b.OT – B.Massie[/i]</p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left: 0in; text-align: right;" align="right"><i style="">
[/i]</p><p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;
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[/i]</p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left: 0in;">
</p><p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto">Round
3. <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>DE/DT – Derek Wolfe (CINCINNATI)</p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto">Not
someone that we need right away to step in and be the dominant player he can be
at the pro level. With Canty eating up a good bulk of the salary and the
insecurities of Marvin Austin “which honestly can also be a smoke screen by Reese,
especially during the offseason where everything he says is ninja.” </p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto">Wolfe
overwhelms offensive linemen with his strength and speed. He can close on the
quarterback quickly and plays the run extremely well. He might need to add a
little more bulk for the traditional 4-3 DT position but he is a very good
pass-rushing DT which is what we need because Linval is our run stopper. </p>

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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left: 0in;">
</p><p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto">Round
4a – WR<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>- Marvin Jones (CAL)</p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto"></p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto">It’s
a passing league and we have a passing QB, play the game to eli strengths, with
a mediocre O-line he showed poise toughness and consistency in the pocket add
weapons and keep the engine new and running at high performance. Infuse youth
talent with veteran grit and we can be a dominant Offense in the league, this
guy who I didn’t know much about until another poster gave me the go ahead to
look at his tape and I’ll say this, he’s smart, shows it in running his routes,
can play both X/Z receiver positions, surprisingly he can block well too not
great but better than the average receiver. My only concern with him is the
Knee injury he’s suffered and if its going to be a lingering thing, last thing
we need is another injury prone guy. But the rewards are high wit this guy
especially at this round </p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;
mso-add-space:auto;text-align:right" align="right"><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal">Alt
pick if Marvin Jones is not available: WR Mavrin Mcnutt[/i]</p>

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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto">Round
4b– OT – Brandon Mosley<span style="mso-spacerun:yes"> </span>(AUBURN)</p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto"></p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">Mosley
is a tough run blocker, primarily at RT and played minimally at LT. He’s a
little Raw so he will be developmental as of right now. Sort of insurance to
the future if Brewer doesn’t pan out or Deihl just doesn’t cut it. I honestly
feel that the organization is somewhat willing to give the current members
excluding Mckenzie a second shot with a Full off-season. So it was hard for me
not to go the route of CB/S/LB or another WR with this pick. </span></p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;"></span></p>

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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left: 0in;"><span style="">
</span></p><p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">Round
5 – CB - Chris Greenwood <span style="mso-spacerun:yes"></span>(ALBION)</span></p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;"></span></p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">Were
going D3 fellas. I had to do some searching on this kid and from what I read
and what some scouts have said, he has dominated the competition, turned head
at the pro day </span></p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin-left:1.0in;mso-add-space:auto;
text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span style="font-family:Symbol;mso-fareast-font-family:Symbol;mso-bidi-font-family:
Symbol"><span style="mso-list:Ignore">·<span style="font:7.0pt &quot;Times New Roman&quot;">
</span></span></span><i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">Greenwood
stood out at the University of Michigan’s pro day, where he reportedly turned
in a 4.41 in the 40-yard dash, with a vertical of 43 inches and 16 bench press
reps at 225 pounds.</span>[/i]</p>

<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;
mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">Earning a spot in the shrine game which
is rare for a Div.3 player, good tackler wraps guys up, makes plays on the ball,
they opponent rarely threw the ball to his side from what I’ve read so some
shut down ability. 62 tackles (54 solo) 13 interceptions 4 returned for TD’s
80yd longest, 14 pass break ups, 26 pass def. not bad I would say. </span></p>

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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;
mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;">Round 6 – ILB -Tank Carder (TCU)</span></p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpFirst" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto">Instinctual,
high motor if he stays at his current weight of 236 he can play Outside Line
backer in a 4-3 he would need to add at least 10-15 pounds to play middle, if
he can do that and maintain his speed this guy can be a sleeper pick in the 6<sup>th</sup>
round </p>

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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto">Round
7 – DE – Donte Paige Moss (NORTH CAROLINA)</p>

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<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpMiddle" style="margin-left:0in;mso-add-space:auto">The
kid is talented, he has some off the field issues and an injury that will most
likely side line him for the 2012 season but the upside is too great to not
take a shot on him with our last pick in the 7<sup>th</sup> round. <span style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;
color:black">Finished the regular season with 49 tackles, 13.5 tackles for
losses of 77 yards, 7.0 sacks for 57 yards, and one pass breakup ... Ranked
second on the team in tackles for losses and sacks, seventh in the ACC in sacks,
can’t deny that production. We don’t need him to start right away he can sit
back and learn how to be a player on the field and a role model off the field
from Tuck. </span></p>

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mso-add-space:auto;text-align:right" align="right"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;
mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;color:black"></span></p>

<p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin-left: 0in; text-align: right;" align="right"><i style=""><span style="color: black;">Alt pick if this pick doesn’t sit right with many – RB Alfred
Morris (FAU) *Need competition at the position and h can provide that, lets
face it Bradshaw is one good wrap up from going under the knife yet again, and
Ware even when forced carries still hasn’t produced and I think he’s not going
too. And we’re still in the dark on Darel Scott let’s hope he surprises
everyone.</span>[/i]</p><p class="MsoListParagraphCxSpLast" style="margin-left:0in;
mso-add-space:auto;text-align:right" align="right">
<i style="mso-bidi-font-style:normal"><span style="mso-fareast-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;mso-bidi-font-family:&quot;Times New Roman&quot;;
color:black">thanks 4 readin
</span>[/i]</p>

G-Men Surg.
04-11-2012, 12:47 AM
One word, SOLID ! I love it .

slipknottin
04-11-2012, 12:52 AM
I think that is at least a full round early for Derek Wolfe. I think its more likely he goes late 4th or early 5th.

gmen0820
04-11-2012, 01:17 AM
I like this mock, but Dwayne Allen is a better in line TE, and it isn't even close. I'd rather take Doug Martin in the first and Dwayne Allen in the second -- if RB/TE is the combo we go with.

Like slip said, Wolfe might be a little early. I'd rather go Jared Crick as he is a nice 5T prospect that NY likes at the 3T a la Chris Canty.

G-Men Surg.
04-11-2012, 01:25 AM
I like this mock, but Dwayne Allen is a better in line TE, and it isn't even close. I'd rather take Doug Martin in the first and Dwayne Allen in the second -- if RB/TE is the combo we go with.

Like slip said, Wolfe might be a little early. I'd rather go Jared Crick as he is a nice 5T prospect that NY likes at the 3T a la Chris Canty.
I think Doug Martin will be available in the 1st but don't think that Allen will fall all the way at the end of the 2nd.

gmen0820
04-11-2012, 01:28 AM
I like this mock, but Dwayne Allen is a better in line TE, and it isn't even close. I'd rather take Doug Martin in the first and Dwayne Allen in the second -- if RB/TE is the combo we go with.

Like slip said, Wolfe might be a little early. I'd rather go Jared Crick as he is a nice 5T prospect that NY likes at the 3T a la Chris Canty.
I think Doug Martin will be available in the 1st but don't think that Allen will fall all the way at the end of the 2nd.I think Fleener is the best TE in this draft, but I think everyone after Fleener are third round guys.

G-Men Surg.
04-11-2012, 01:45 AM
I like this mock, but Dwayne Allen is a better in line TE, and it isn't even close. I'd rather take Doug Martin in the first and Dwayne Allen in the second -- if RB/TE is the combo we go with.

Like slip said, Wolfe might be a little early. I'd rather go Jared Crick as he is a nice 5T prospect that NY likes at the 3T a la Chris Canty.
I think Doug Martin will be available in the 1st but don't think that Allen will fall all the way at the end of the 2nd.I think Fleener is the best TE in this draft, but I think everyone after Fleener are third round guys.
Agree and thats why it seems to be a logical choice to pick up Fleener in the1st if available considering that he could be the BPA at that point. Even though I tend to agree about the 3rd round value in all the rest of the TEs its seems very possible that someone will pick up Dwayne in the 2nd out of need.

rainierjef
04-11-2012, 01:47 AM
I think that is at least a full round early for Derek Wolfe. I think its more likely he goes late 4th or early 5th.

really... i thought late 3rd round was where most projected him at. well that changes alot of things thanks for the info

rainierjef
04-11-2012, 01:50 AM
I like this mock, but Dwayne Allen is a better in line TE, and it isn't even close. I'd rather take Doug Martin in the first and Dwayne Allen in the second -- if RB/TE is the combo we go with.

Like slip said, Wolfe might be a little early. I'd rather go Jared Crick as he is a nice 5T prospect that NY likes at the 3T a la Chris Canty.
I think Doug Martin will be available in the 1st but don't think that Allen will fall all the way at the end of the 2nd.I think Fleener is the best TE in this draft, but I think everyone after Fleener are third round guys.
Agree and thats why it seems to be a logical choice to pick up Fleener in the1st if available considering that he could be the BPA at that point. Even though I tend to agree about the 3rd round value in all the rest of the TEs its seems very possible that someone will pick up Dwayne in the 2nd out of need.

i think 2 TE go in the second round Orson charles has dallas written all over it and dwayne allen. remember dallas still wants to run a two TE offense, and i can see someone like broncos or even the rams picking up Allen.

i believe D.Martin would be there but like i said i will go out on a limb and say we don't see another RB off the baords till mid-late 2nd round in this order L.Miller / L.James / D.Martin / D.Wilson

G-Men Surg.
04-11-2012, 01:51 AM
I think that is at least a full round early for Derek Wolfe. I think its more likely he goes late 4th or early 5th.

really... i thought late 3rd round was where most projected him at. well that changes alot of things thanks for the info

His projection is that he will be a 4th or 5 th rounder but his stock is on the rise. I've seen him in quite some mocks being picked in the 3rd.

rainierjef
04-11-2012, 01:52 AM
I like this mock, but Dwayne Allen is a better in line TE, and it isn't even close. I'd rather take Doug Martin in the first and Dwayne Allen in the second -- if RB/TE is the combo we go with.

Like slip said, Wolfe might be a little early. I'd rather go Jared Crick as he is a nice 5T prospect that NY likes at the 3T a la Chris Canty.

i would of went with crick but i was reading that his stock rose to early 3rd late 2nd round. if he's there i completely agree with you he would be the better choice

rainierjef
04-11-2012, 01:53 AM
I think that is at least a full round early for Derek Wolfe. I think its more likely he goes late 4th or early 5th.

really... i thought late 3rd round was where most projected him at. well that changes alot of things thanks for the info

His projection is that he will be a 4th or 5 th rounder but his stock is on the rise. I've seen him in quite some mocks being picked in the 3rd.

yeah that's what i saw too

G-Men Surg.
04-11-2012, 01:58 AM
I like this mock, but Dwayne Allen is a better in line TE, and it isn't even close. I'd rather take Doug Martin in the first and Dwayne Allen in the second -- if RB/TE is the combo we go with.

Like slip said, Wolfe might be a little early. I'd rather go Jared Crick as he is a nice 5T prospect that NY likes at the 3T a la Chris Canty.
I think Doug Martin will be available in the 1st but don't think that Allen will fall all the way at the end of the 2nd.I think Fleener is the best TE in this draft, but I think everyone after Fleener are third round guys.
Agree and thats why it seems to be a logical choice to pick up Fleener in the1st if available considering that he could be the BPA at that point. Even though I tend to agree about the 3rd round value in all the rest of the TEs its seems very possible that someone will pick up Dwayne in the 2nd out of need.

i think 2 TE go in the second round Orson charles has dallas written all over it and dwayne allen. remember dallas still wants to run a two TE offense, and i can see someone like broncos or even the rams picking up Allen.

i believe D.Martin would be there but like i said i will go out on a limb and say we don't see another RB off the baords till mid-late 2nd round* in this order L.Miller / L.James / D.Martin / D.Wilson

I concur and don't be surprise to see the Eggholes picking up a TE with one of those 2 picks on the second round, behind Brent theres no one to back him up and although Celek still young at 26 years he is starting to pile up lots of injuries. I heard some analyst today on NFL.N saying this about the Eagles TE situation and made some sense.

gmen0820
04-11-2012, 01:59 AM
I like this mock, but Dwayne Allen is a better in line TE, and it isn't even close. I'd rather take Doug Martin in the first and Dwayne Allen in the second -- if RB/TE is the combo we go with.

Like slip said, Wolfe might be a little early. I'd rather go Jared Crick as he is a nice 5T prospect that NY likes at the 3T a la Chris Canty.
I think Doug Martin will be available in the 1st but don't think that Allen will fall all the way at the end of the 2nd.I think Fleener is the best TE in this draft, but I think everyone after Fleener are third round guys.
Agree and thats why it seems to be a logical choice to pick up Fleener in the1st if available considering that he could be the BPA at that point. Even though I tend to agree about the 3rd round value in all the rest of the TEs its seems very possible that someone will pick up Dwayne in the 2nd out of need.Yeah, and I wouldn't mind Fleener in the first as he is the best TE in this class, I don't know how much I value the TE.

Personally, I'd rather have Doug Martin, a guy I absolutely love, and a guy who could instantly improve an ailing run game and then get the best in line TE in the second round.

While I do agree on the possibility that teams might reach on a TE, I don't see Allen being the guy. I see guys like James Hanna, Ladarius Green, Evan Rodriguez, Beau Reliford, Orson Charles being guys that are possibly drafted higher than expected. Now of those guys, maybe two possibly get drafted before Allen, but it's the athleticism that teams are gonna crave for that matchup factor.

Me though, I see from Allen a natural hands catcher who plucks the ball, a player who prides himself in his excellent blocking, just a pure in line TE. I crave a guy like this because it gives us a way more potent and well rounded offense at a lower pick than Fleener.

Fleener can attack intermediate and deep seams, he can flex out to the Y, he can *develop* into a superb in line TE. He is incredibly athletic and has a very high ceiling. He will cost a first rounder though.

Allen can run a bunch of routes, not as dynamic in the seams but he can develop. He is a dominant run blocker and pass blocker. He and Bennett give us incredible flexibility though. 11, 12, 21, 22. These become so much more threatening as a result. We could further dictate on offense. Allen also gives us an immediate jolt in our run game, especially if we land a Doug Martin.

Rainier, I love the direction you're going in, I just disagree with the order and guys. But I'd be happy either way.

G-Men Surg.
04-11-2012, 02:21 AM
I like this mock, but Dwayne Allen is a better in line TE, and it isn't even close. I'd rather take Doug Martin in the first and Dwayne Allen in the second -- if RB/TE is the combo we go with.

Like slip said, Wolfe might be a little early. I'd rather go Jared Crick as he is a nice 5T prospect that NY likes at the 3T a la Chris Canty.
I think Doug Martin will be available in the 1st but don't think that Allen will fall all the way at the end of the 2nd.I think Fleener is the best TE in this draft, but I think everyone after Fleener are third round guys.
Agree and thats why it seems to be a logical choice to pick up Fleener in the1st if available considering that he could be the BPA at that point. Even though I tend to agree about the 3rd round value in all the rest of the TEs its seems very possible that someone will pick up Dwayne in the 2nd out of need.Yeah, and I wouldn't mind Fleener in the first as he is the best TE in this class, I don't know how much I value the TE.

Personally, I'd rather have Doug Martin, a guy I absolutely love, and a guy who could instantly improve an ailing run game and then get the best in line TE in the second round.

While I do agree on the possibility that teams might reach on a TE, I don't see Allen being the guy. I see guys like James Hanna, Ladarius Green, Evan Rodriguez, Beau Reliford, Orson Charles being guys that are possibly drafted higher than expected. Now of those guys, maybe two possibly get drafted before Allen, but it's the athleticism that teams are gonna crave for that matchup factor.

Me though, I see from Allen a natural hands catcher who plucks the ball, a player who prides himself in his excellent blocking, just a pure in line TE. I crave a guy like this because it gives us a way more potent and well rounded offense at a lower pick than Fleener.

Fleener can attack intermediate and deep seams, he can flex out to the Y, he can *develop* into a superb in line TE. He is incredibly athletic and has a very high ceiling. He will cost a first rounder though.

Allen can run a bunch of routes, not as dynamic in the seams but he can develop. He is a dominant run blocker and pass blocker. He and Bennett give us incredible flexibility though. 11, 12, 21, 22. These become so much more threatening as a result. We could further dictate on offense. Allen also gives us an immediate jolt in our run game, especially if we land a Doug Martin.

Rainier, I love the direction you're going in, I just disagree with the order and guys. But I'd be happy either way.
A player you mentioned I'm getting more interested in is James Hannah, great combine numbers and showed some power in bench pressing with 24 reps but I don't understand why some analyst are saying that the knock on him is he isn't very good at run blocking . I don't know if this review is accurate , I really think he is flying under the radar and it gives me the impression that he is kind of unknown. I think he has the tools to flourish under coach Pope and obviously be available later on . That been said the idea of drafting Fleener in the first is killing me if he slides and Devon Still, Doug Martin or a top OT are still available when the Giants turn comes up to pick.

gmen0820
04-11-2012, 02:26 AM
Hannah is a project, but has great upside. Natural receiver, and he's put on size to further become a TE. Not much more than a slot guy, and a very, very raw blocker -- so I can't speak to if he soaks up blocking techniques like a sponge, or like Beckum. OU didn't even put him on the line when they ran the ball.

G-Men Surg.
04-11-2012, 02:33 AM
Hannah is a project, but has great upside. Natural receiver, and he's put on size to further become a TE. Not much more of a slot guy, and a very, very raw blocker -- so I can't speak to if he soaks up blocking techniques like a sponge, or like Beckum. OU didn't even put him on the line when they ran the ball.
Unless ( and maybe not probable ) the Giants adress more needs in FA filling holes in some areas of need it seems more clear that they will go after the BPA at RB, TE, DT and LB in no particular order with their first pick.

gmen0820
04-11-2012, 02:36 AM
Hannah is a project, but has great upside. Natural receiver, and he's put on size to further become a TE. Not much more of a slot guy, and a very, very raw blocker -- so I can't speak to if he soaks up blocking techniques like a sponge, or like Beckum. OU didn't even put him on the line when they ran the ball.
Unless ( and maybe not probable ) the Giants adress more needs in FA filling holes in some areas of need it seems more clear that they will go after the BPA at RB, TE, DT and LB in no particular order with their first pick.I think DT is the most probable since we face a need at that position if we can't restructure Canty in the future.

Going by that logic, you can add WR as well.

RB fills an immediate need, no doubt about it. Doug Martin is a feature back, he comes in day 1 and is a 1000 yard rusher the way I see it.

G-Men Surg.
04-11-2012, 02:59 AM
Hannah is a project, but has great upside. Natural receiver, and he's put on size to further become a TE. Not much more of a slot guy, and a very, very raw blocker -- so I can't speak to if he soaks up blocking techniques like a sponge, or like Beckum. OU didn't even put him on the line when they ran the ball.
Unless ( and maybe not probable ) the Giants adress more needs in FA filling holes in some areas of need it seems more clear that they will go after the BPA at RB, TE, DT and LB in no particular order with their first pick.I think DT is the most probable since we face a need at that position if we can't restructure Canty in the future.

Going by that logic, you can add WR as well.

RB fills an immediate need, no doubt about it. Doug Martin is a feature back, he comes in day 1 and is a 1000 yard rusher the way I see it.
I also think DT is a high priority on the list with Bernard and Kennedy gone and Marvin coming out of a 2 year lay-off.
Taking in count the needs at the Dline and probably at LB with Chase and Goff not returning it would make sense if they go after some players in those positions and fill some holes.
If look back at recent Giants drafts Reese philosophy about drafting BPA early is cloudy in a sense that if you take in count JPP and Kiwi's picks yeah you really can say they were BPA but when Jerry went after a WR ( Hakeem Nicks ) , a Safety ( Phillips ) CB ( Aaron Ross) among others they were need picks in the 1st round, obviously they need-value level was awesome but not always at first sight it seems like a BPA mentality has been implemented
If those years a huge need was fill with a great value pick in the 1st round this year what is the position in question to adress ? To me is RT .