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Giants10Joe
04-18-2012, 12:10 AM
Ross Tucker, who played 7 years in the NFL including one year with the Cowboys, wrote a column for ESPN in which he talked about a number of things from a player's perspective. It's pretty interesting and if you want to check it out, here's the link (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7823217/nfl-most-veterans-only-one-concern-draft). However, this is what jumped out at me the most:





Q: I think I once heard you say that you used to collect your
"used" equipment from each team you played with but that the Cowboys
charged you for some of it. Just wondering how much you paid for a
Cowboys jersey and helmet? Or did you leave them behind? What was their
explanation for being so cheap? Would their policy change in an uncapped
year?</p>

Paul in New Brunswick, Canada</p>

A: It
has nothing to do with the salary cap, and yes, I have said that the
Cowboys were the only team of five I played for that I recall charging
me via payroll deduction for my helmet. I believe it was $200. I was
told that Jerry Jones looks at equipment as team property, and if a
player wants it, he has to purchase it. I'm a business owner, so on
some level I get it, but I was pretty surprised, given how much money
the Cowboys make. They also were the only team that deducted money for
lunch every week during the season, which was even more astonishing to
me.</p>

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That's pretty surprising to me considering how much money Jerry Jones makes and was willing to spend on the new stadium. Charging a player to keep his helmet is pretty classless if you ask me. Especially since for safety reasons I'm sure helmets only have a limited number of uses before they need to be replaced. I can't imagine that they would have given his helmet to another player.
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the_fish62
04-18-2012, 01:30 AM
Well you don't get rich or stay rich by spending money.

SweetZombieJesus
04-18-2012, 06:12 AM
Well, that is why even the dumb tee shirts say "Property of &lt;TEAM&gt;".

It's like stealing office supplies from your job. You are getting paid a salary and if you need post-it notes or tape dispensers, you should buy them with your own money, and not treat the supply cabinet as your own personal Sam's Club. And you definitely are not entitled to keep a computer or a chair or a desk.

I don't know what the Giants' policy is, anybody know?

Drez
04-19-2012, 09:27 PM
Ok. I can understand charging for the helmet. But, charging for lunch. That's just ****ed up.

jomo
04-19-2012, 10:04 PM
Ross Tucker, who played 7 years in the NFL including one year with the Cowboys, wrote a column for ESPN in which he talked about a number of things from a player's perspective. It's pretty interesting and if you want to check it out, here's the link (http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7823217/nfl-most-veterans-only-one-concern-draft). However, this is what jumped out at me the most:






Q: I think I once heard you say that you used to collect your "used" equipment from each team you played with but that the Cowboys charged you for some of it. Just wondering how much you paid for a Cowboys jersey and helmet? Or did you leave them behind? What was their explanation for being so cheap? Would their policy change in an uncapped year?</P>


Paul in New Brunswick, Canada</P>


A: It has nothing to do with the salary cap, and yes, I have said that the Cowboys were the only team of five I played for that I recall charging me via payroll deduction for my helmet. I believe it was $200. I was told that Jerry Jones looks at equipment as team property, and if a player wants it, he has to purchase it. I'm a business owner, so on some level I get it, but I was pretty surprised, given how much money the Cowboys make. They also were the only team that deducted money for lunch every week during the season, which was even more astonishing to me.</P>


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That's pretty surprising to me considering how much money Jerry Jones makes and was willing to spend on the new stadium. Charging a player to keep his helmet is <FONT size=6><U>pretty classless</U></FONT> if you ask me. Especially since for safety reasons I'm sure helmets only have a limited number of uses before they need to be replaced. I can't imagine that they would have given his helmet to another player.
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No one ever said JJ has class.

Bing Crosby
04-20-2012, 01:46 AM
No one ever said JJ has class.

Exactly. This is the same Jerry Jones who fired Tom Landry with all the ceremonial pomp and circumstances given to an average McDonald's employee right?

gmen46
04-20-2012, 02:31 AM
No one ever said JJ has class.

Exactly. This is the same Jerry Jones who fired Tom Landry with all the ceremonial pomp and circumstances given to an average McDonald's employee right?


Like any Giants fan, I'm no fan or defender of Jones.

But to be fair--as per NFLNetwork's "A Football Life" series episode featuring Tom Landry--it was Hank Stram who was the true D Bag in the Landry firing.

He'd wanted to let Landry go for the last couple of years of his ownership of the team (Dallas sucked those years; and even though they had gone 15-16 straight years with winning records and appeared in 5 SBs, you're only as good as your last season, right?), and he simply chickened out. He couldn't bring himself to pull the trigger.

And while I can empathize with a person who feels so strongly about a 27-28 year personal and professional relationship with a person that he can't bring himself to fire the guy, the fact is that he dumped that responsibility onto Jones when he sold the team.

I'm sure that was not the first thing Jones wanted to do--and alienate a majority of the team's fan base while he was at it, even though temporarily--upon taking ownership of the team.

The honorable thing (and less stressful in the end) would have been for Stram to talk man-to-man with Landry 1 or 2 years earlier, and given him the option to "retire" on his own.

Given his age at the time and length of service with the Cowboys, and given that the team HAD declined over the previous few years to the extent of making fans grumble, and given the alternative (being fired and humiliated) I doubt Landry would have objected to "voluntary" retirement.

Had that simple tactic been used, all 3 principles would have saved face, the former and the new owners would have been satisfied and able to smoothly move forward, and Landry would have left the game without controversy and some degree of humiliation.

Seems simple. And honorable. But we're talking about 2 Texas millionaires, for whom those 2 terms apparently mean nothing.

Careless disregard for others.

jomo
04-23-2012, 06:28 PM
No one ever said JJ has class.

Exactly. This is the same Jerry Jones who fired Tom Landry with all the ceremonial pomp and circumstances given to an average McDonald's employee right?


Like any Giants fan, I'm no fan or defender of Jones.

But to be fair--as per NFLNetwork's "A Football Life" series episode featuring Tom Landry--it was Hank Stram who was the true D Bag in the Landry firing.

He'd wanted to let Landry go for the last couple of years of his ownership of the team (Dallas sucked those years; and even though they had gone 15-16 straight years with winning records and appeared in 5 SBs, you're only as good as your last season, right?), and he simply chickened out. He couldn't bring himself to pull the trigger.

And while I can empathize with a person who feels so strongly about a 27-28 year personal and professional relationship with a person that he can't bring himself to fire the guy, the fact is that he dumped that responsibility onto Jones when he sold the team.

I'm sure that was not the first thing Jones wanted to do--and alienate a majority of the team's fan base while he was at it, even though temporarily--upon taking ownership of the team.

The honorable thing (and less stressful in the end) would have been for Stram to talk man-to-man with Landry 1 or 2 years earlier, and given him the option to "retire" on his own.

Given his age at the time and length of service with the Cowboys, and given that the team HAD declined over the previous few years to the extent of making fans grumble, and given the alternative (being fired and humiliated) I doubt Landry would have objected to "voluntary" retirement.

Had that simple tactic been used, all 3 principles would have saved face, the former and the new owners would have been satisfied and able to smoothly move forward, and Landry would have left the game without controversy and some degree of humiliation.

Seems simple. And honorable. But we're talking about 2 Texas millionaires, for whom those 2 terms apparently mean nothing.

Careless disregard for others.I don't get the Hank Stram reference. Did you mean Gil Brandt?

greenca190
04-23-2012, 08:33 PM
Ok. I can understand charging for the helmet. But, charging for lunch. That's just ****ed up.


My employer has never bought me lunch.

Tuckit91
04-23-2012, 08:48 PM
Ok. I can understand charging for the helmet. But, charging for lunch. That's just ****ed up.


My employer has never bought me lunch.


Mine does once a year and its from some where cheap.lol

SweetZombieJesus
04-23-2012, 09:24 PM
Ok. I can understand charging for the helmet. But, charging for lunch. That's just ****ed up.


My employer has never bought me lunch.


Mine does once a year and its from some where cheap.lol

I used to work for a place, an aggressive start-up, that brought free lunch in every day.

You had to eat it within 20 minutes, and they did it so you wouldn't leave the building and would get back to work more quickly. They even encouraged eating at your desk instead of in the break room.

I'd rather buy my own lunch.

gmen46
04-24-2012, 04:08 AM
No one ever said JJ has class.

Exactly. This is the same Jerry Jones who fired Tom Landry with all the ceremonial pomp and circumstances given to an average McDonald's employee right?


Like any Giants fan, I'm no fan or defender of Jones.

But to be fair--as per NFLNetwork's "A Football Life" series episode featuring Tom Landry--it was Hank Stram who was the true D Bag in the Landry firing.

He'd wanted to let Landry go for the last couple of years of his ownership of the team (Dallas sucked those years; and even though they had gone 15-16 straight years with winning records and appeared in 5 SBs, you're only as good as your last season, right?), and he simply chickened out. He couldn't bring himself to pull the trigger.

And while I can empathize with a person who feels so strongly about a 27-28 year personal and professional relationship with a person that he can't bring himself to fire the guy, the fact is that he dumped that responsibility onto Jones when he sold the team.

I'm sure that was not the first thing Jones wanted to do--and alienate a majority of the team's fan base while he was at it, even though temporarily--upon taking ownership of the team.

The honorable thing (and less stressful in the end) would have been for Stram to talk man-to-man with Landry 1 or 2 years earlier, and given him the option to "retire" on his own.

Given his age at the time and length of service with the Cowboys, and given that the team HAD declined over the previous few years to the extent of making fans grumble, and given the alternative (being fired and humiliated) I doubt Landry would have objected to "voluntary" retirement.

Had that simple tactic been used, all 3 principles would have saved face, the former and the new owners would have been satisfied and able to smoothly move forward, and Landry would have left the game without controversy and some degree of humiliation.

Seems simple. And honorable. But we're talking about 2 Texas millionaires, for whom those 2 terms apparently mean nothing.

Careless disregard for others.I don't get the Hank Stram reference. Did you mean Gil Brandt?

My bad. I meant Tex Schramm, GM/Pres. I meant no disrespect to Hank.

gmen46
04-24-2012, 04:08 AM
No one ever said JJ has class.

Exactly. This is the same Jerry Jones who fired Tom Landry with all the ceremonial pomp and circumstances given to an average McDonald's employee right?


Like any Giants fan, I'm no fan or defender of Jones.

But to be fair--as per NFLNetwork's "A Football Life" series episode featuring Tom Landry--it was Hank Stram who was the true D Bag in the Landry firing.

He'd wanted to let Landry go for the last couple of years of his ownership of the team (Dallas sucked those years; and even though they had gone 15-16 straight years with winning records and appeared in 5 SBs, you're only as good as your last season, right?), and he simply chickened out. He couldn't bring himself to pull the trigger.

And while I can empathize with a person who feels so strongly about a 27-28 year personal and professional relationship with a person that he can't bring himself to fire the guy, the fact is that he dumped that responsibility onto Jones when he sold the team.

I'm sure that was not the first thing Jones wanted to do--and alienate a majority of the team's fan base while he was at it, even though temporarily--upon taking ownership of the team.

The honorable thing (and less stressful in the end) would have been for Stram to talk man-to-man with Landry 1 or 2 years earlier, and given him the option to "retire" on his own.

Given his age at the time and length of service with the Cowboys, and given that the team HAD declined over the previous few years to the extent of making fans grumble, and given the alternative (being fired and humiliated) I doubt Landry would have objected to "voluntary" retirement.

Had that simple tactic been used, all 3 principles would have saved face, the former and the new owners would have been satisfied and able to smoothly move forward, and Landry would have left the game without controversy and some degree of humiliation.

Seems simple. And honorable. But we're talking about 2 Texas millionaires, for whom those 2 terms apparently mean nothing.

Careless disregard for others.I don't get the Hank Stram reference. Did you mean Gil Brandt?

My bad. I meant Tex Schramm, GM/Pres. I meant no disrespect to Hank.

JPP
04-24-2012, 11:23 AM
No one ever said JJ has class.

Exactly. This is the same Jerry Jones who fired Tom Landry with all the ceremonial pomp and circumstances given to an average McDonald's employee right?


Like any Giants fan, I'm no fan or defender of Jones.

But to be fair--as per NFLNetwork's "A Football Life" series episode featuring Tom Landry--it was Hank Stram who was the true D Bag in the Landry firing.

He'd wanted to let Landry go for the last couple of years of his ownership of the team (Dallas sucked those years; and even though they had gone 15-16 straight years with winning records and appeared in 5 SBs, you're only as good as your last season, right?), and he simply chickened out. He couldn't bring himself to pull the trigger.

And while I can empathize with a person who feels so strongly about a 27-28 year personal and professional relationship with a person that he can't bring himself to fire the guy, the fact is that he dumped that responsibility onto Jones when he sold the team.

I'm sure that was not the first thing Jones wanted to do--and alienate a majority of the team's fan base while he was at it, even though temporarily--upon taking ownership of the team.

The honorable thing (and less stressful in the end) would have been for Stram to talk man-to-man with Landry 1 or 2 years earlier, and given him the option to "retire" on his own.

Given his age at the time and length of service with the Cowboys, and given that the team HAD declined over the previous few years to the extent of making fans grumble, and given the alternative (being fired and humiliated) I doubt Landry would have objected to "voluntary" retirement.

Had that simple tactic been used, all 3 principles would have saved face, the former and the new owners would have been satisfied and able to smoothly move forward, and Landry would have left the game without controversy and some degree of humiliation.

Seems simple. And honorable. But we're talking about 2 Texas millionaires, for whom those 2 terms apparently mean nothing.

Careless disregard for others.I don't get the Hank Stram reference. Did you mean Gil Brandt?

My bad. I meant Tex Schramm, GM/Pres. I meant no disrespect to Hank.

Either way Jones did want to fire Landry it was one of the reasons he was hired. Schramm interviewed candidates for the position and asked them about their plans and rejected everyone who wanted to stay with Landry and one of the only reasons he hired Jones is because he wanted to overhaul and fire everybody. Your right about Schramm pushing his agenda forth but your absolving Jones of to much of the blame.

SweetZombieJesus
04-25-2012, 07:44 AM
Either way Jones did want to fire Landry it was one of the reasons he was hired. Schramm interviewed candidates for the position and asked them about their plans and rejected everyone who wanted to stay with Landry and one of the only reasons he hired Jones is because he wanted to overhaul and fire everybody. Your right about Schramm pushing his agenda forth but your absolving Jones of to much of the blame.

Jerry Jones bought the team, he was not hired.

Bing Crosby
04-25-2012, 09:49 PM
Jerry Jones bought the team, he was not hired.


I get his point though, and I agree with it. Anyone who thinks that Jerry Jones dealt with Landry correctly IMO are simply incorrect. I think if you asked Jones that today he would admit that he handle it wrong, it was perceived that he was disrespecting an actual living legend. Whether he meant to or not, that is what has gone down in history and people to this day still believe that Landry was thrown out like old trash.

I obviously don't know the guy, but Jones has always rubbed me the wrong way. Obviously I could be wrong, but from afar he seems like the kind of boss who will take your work results not give you any credit and declare himself a genius. Jones is almost unique in his search for notoriety. He wants to be adored like Landry, and even some fans of his organization can't stand him.

SweetZombieJesus
04-26-2012, 07:45 AM
^ No I don't think Jones dealt with Landry correctly at all. It's one of the primary reasons I disdain him so much.

I don't think anybody deserves coach-for-life status no matter who they are and how good they are (or used to be).

Fine if Jones wanted to remove him (and if the previous owners did as well). But he deserved a more dignified end, perhaps move him into the front office and give him a chance to resign as coach with class, make it look like his idea.

chasjay
04-26-2012, 11:47 AM
To my way of thinking, Jerry Jones has made one quality decision since he obtained ownership of the Cowboys. That was in hiring Jimmy Johnson as HC. To put Johnson in place, the removal of Coach Landry was necessary. What wasn't necessary was the ***tty manner in which Landry was dismissed. And then, Jones took a dump on the one good decision he made by letting his ego force Johnson out, to prove that Jones was the real brains behind the Super Bowl runs. Johnson left such a good team behind that it took a few years for even Jones and Barry Switzer to make a mess of it. And so it remains to this day.

Bing Crosby
04-26-2012, 02:25 PM
^ Jimmy was smart with his trade to the Vikings. Every Dallas fan can thank Minnesota for the help they gave the Boys, and the championships they put in their trophy case. Your right in general though, Jones' ego has cost the Cowboys more then once. I have a friend who's a Cowboys fan (although he hates Jerry) and he always claims that if Jimmy was there they'd still be winning championships. I personally think he is full of it, but I doubt they would be doing any worse.

Ntegrase96
04-28-2012, 12:15 AM
Every year I have to remind Cowboys fans that Jerry didn't run Jimmy out of town-- and I'm sure I've said it here before as well.

Jimmy left.

His typical tenure in any given location was about 4 years (usually less) and it was just about that time for Jimmy to go.

Of course he had a disagreement with ownership-- he did in Miami as well, and it's probably why he never coached after that again.

And to add to that, Jimmy was a good coach here in Dallas because he and Jones teamed up together to put together one of the best football teams ever.

If it were all Jimmy's doing, he would have done well with the Dolphins as well.

Also, Jimmy wasn't all that smart with the trade with the Vikings... If Jimmy had gotten his way, he would have traded Michael Irvin to the raiders. And in fact, it was Jerry Jones skills in negotiating that was more influential in getting the most out of the trade.

Jones deserves just as much credit as Jimmy for the Lombardis. And Jimmy deserves just as much blame as Jerry for the split.

Bing Crosby
05-02-2012, 04:33 PM
Every year I have to remind Cowboys fans that Jerry didn't run Jimmy out of town-- and I'm sure I've said it here before as well.

Jimmy left.



I'll have to take your word on that one man. According to my friend (who to be fair hates Jerry) Jimmy and Jerry's problems were personal. I have no idea, honestly I wasn't paying that close attention when everything went down so I'll tip my hat to the guy with the superior knowledge of the situation.


And to add to that, Jimmy was a good coach here in Dallas because he and Jones teamed up together to put together one of the best football teams ever.

If it were all Jimmy's doing, he would have done well with the Dolphins as well.



My friend would argue that Jimmy basically carried around "the rich guy" and nudged him in the right direction behind the scene. IDK if it's true. He may have an account on one of the Cowboy forums. I'll ask him you may have talked to him already about it since it seems to me that this subject gets brought up a lot.

Like I said I didn't honestly pay that much attention to everything when it was going down a decade and a half plus ago, so I'll tip my hat to your knowledge. But if nothing else I can say with a degree of certainity that the percption is that without Jimmy, and the team that he (at least helped) build Jerry and his little world aren't anywhere near as good.

Or to put it another way Jimmy was a could filter for Jerry.