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GmenFan1980
04-18-2012, 09:50 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8286a1a0/article/donovan-mcnabb-believes-hes-a-hall-of-famer?module=HP11_headline_stack

"There is no doubt McNabb has been a better overall pro than, say, Eli Manning. Eli has two more rings, but the Hall of Fame shouldn't be all about rings. McNabb made six Pro Bowls for a reason."

He is right it should be about choking in the big games :/.

Regardless of my dislike for Mcnabb, He did put up good stats. So what do you guys think?

I'll vote NO to this regardless.

P.S. I hope someone else didn't post this already

krygny
04-18-2012, 10:02 PM
Border-line for the Hall of Fame.

Shoe-in for the Hall of Vomit.

logan9839
04-18-2012, 10:14 PM
How was he a better pro than Eli??

Bohemian
04-18-2012, 10:51 PM
I think that McNabb was a great QB, but not HOF QB. I do think that playoff and Super Bowls are very important in a QBs resume for HOF entry. I am a huge McNabb fan, but I have to admit that he never impressed me during the playoffs. I am one who would say that Eli, altough having worst numbers during the regular season, is clearly a QB that defined what a playoff and Super Bowl hero is all about. I think that QBs that enter the HOF without being post-season winner, are players like Warren Moon and Frank Tarkenton... meaning, players that were significant in the advancement of the game, and served as role models for what being a role model was all about. I think that the only QB that I have ever seen that did deserve to be in the HOF without winning a Super Bowl, along with not doing much for the game's advancement or social impact, has to be Dan Marino.

McNabb was a great QB, and I do hope that he does enter the hall one day... but if it is a question of being a 'shoe in' selection? I would say that he should be possibly revisit his case down the line... but for now, I just don't think that he has made that significant of a mark.

I could see how, if I sit and really think about the transformation of the game via the inclusion of African-Americans at the QB position, then I could see how McNabb may have a case of being a large part in 'cementing' the democratization of the position. He was a great player, and a good role model... but I don't see him in the same likeness of a Doug Williams for his contribution, nor do I see him in the likeness of an Eli Manning for his successful career.

Great topic about one of my favorite players. This one really divides my sentiments, as I would really like to seem his in the HOF, but really see him as an 'auxiliary' induction choice.

But still... I really hate those Eagles!

DragonSoul
04-19-2012, 12:40 AM
he won't sniff it, unless its comes from smelling someone else's jacket.

Ntegrase96
04-19-2012, 12:41 AM
McNabb's greatest accomplishment was helping guide a team to 4 straight NFC Championship games and one Superbowl.

I'd say that counts for something. But outside of that, he wasn't an exceptionally great quarterback. Never passed for over 400 yards and his rushing totals really weren't as great as I remembered. He had a good career, but was it hall of fame worthy? I'd say borderline.

DragonSoul
04-19-2012, 12:44 AM
McNabb's greatest accomplishment was helping guide a team to 4 straight NFC Championship games and one Superbowl.

I'd say that counts for something. But outside of that, he wasn't an exceptionally great quarterback. Never passed for over 400 yards and his rushing totals really weren't as great as I remembered. He had a good career, but was it hall of fame worthy? I'd say borderline.
he did it when the nfc east was horrible. Almost a guarantee of 6 wins each year. And more then that he choked in big spots...

scoopscj
04-19-2012, 02:24 AM
Pretty sure McNabb made the Hall of Soup over at the Campbells factory in north Jersey. Pity he didn't get a bust made, but he got a nice hat.


http://www.onthecan.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/mcnabb-campbells-chunky-soup-eagles-274x300.jpg

RagTime Blue
04-19-2012, 03:05 AM
Campbells is in SOUTH Jersey.

Anyway, perhaps we should ask ourselves this:

If the Eagles would've beaten the Pats in the Super Bowl, would he be a "shoe-in"?

If your answer is "Yes", then why shouldn't he be now?
If your answer is "No", then why should he be now?

redbeardxxv
04-19-2012, 06:25 AM
McNabb was a good QB, with good statistics, and a good, marketable personality. His knock is the ability to finish the job. HE has always been good enough to keep around, but not good enough to win a SB with. His years after Philly will haunt him. The rumors of a alack of commitment, the MC Flab years...He did alot in his time in the NFL, just not enough....he seems to be River's inspiration.....do you think Rivers deserves a bust? Obviously that book isn't closed yet, but based on everything he's done...?

Redeyejedi
04-19-2012, 09:03 AM
Mcnabb was great in Andy Reids i can make any QB look good offense. To me how a QB plays at the end of the game and when all the chips are down is the most important attribute to being great. Its the difference between Eli Manning and Tony Romo.

flamethrower
04-19-2012, 03:29 PM
As a 1st ballot shoe in. No. But, I feel that eventually he will get in. But, not as a 1st time on the ballot in his first year.

sharick88
04-19-2012, 03:36 PM
Based on his whole body of work, he definitely deserves to get in someday. 6 pro bowls, 5 nfc championship appearances, and 1 super bowl appearance. For the stats people, he has better overall stats than a bunch of qb's currently in the hall of fame.

flamethrower
04-19-2012, 03:44 PM
How was he a better pro than Eli?? I don't think that. I think that He was equal to Eli Manning in the Regular season. Eli got it done 2 times in the Post season. I feel that Eli Manning will be in the Hall of Fame. I don't think that he has done enough yet to be a shoe in 1st ballot. But, all he needs is a 40 td, 4,500+ yard passing season. He has the Super Bowl requirement taken care of. In fact his career is better than Aikman's was. Aikman never threw for more than 4,000 yards ever. Eli has done that 3 strait years. Aikman's best year TD passes was 92 when he threw 23. Eli's average season was 25 td passes. I left out Eli's rookie season. Because he was not a starter until the middle of it. Yeah I know that Aikman was knocked out with 7 games to go. That makes their rookie years a wash.

THE_New_York_Giants
04-19-2012, 03:48 PM
He deserves to get recognition from the Eagles. That's about it.

miked1958
04-21-2012, 08:47 PM
He have nightmares of that idiot on OUR Sideline picking up the phone and pretend to be making a call to his mom or someone while he did his little dance. Classless. Eli would never do that no matter how big a comeback the giants made. He just doesn't show disrespect for the opposing team like McNabb has done.

miked1958
04-21-2012, 08:47 PM
As far as HOF. Borderline no

Redeyejedi
04-21-2012, 09:14 PM
He have nightmares of that idiot on OUR Sideline picking up the phone and pretend to be making a call to his mom or someone while he did his little dance. Classless. Eli would never do that no matter how big a comeback the giants made. He just doesn't show disrespect for the opposing team like McNabb has done.Someone should of knocked his head off

GmenFan1980
04-23-2012, 10:23 PM
Don't feel the need to make a new thread for him so yeah

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-hall-of-fame/09000d5d8288a830/Is-Brian-Dawkins-a-Hall-of-Famer?module=HP11_content_stream

same question different person..Brian Dawkins = H.O.F. ???

Redeyejedi
04-24-2012, 09:05 AM
Don't feel the need to make a new thread for him so yeah

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-hall-of-fame/09000d5d8288a830/Is-Brian-Dawkins-a-Hall-of-Famer?module=HP11_content_stream

same question different person..Brian Dawkins = H.O.F. ???Dawkins is a Hall of Famer

TheBookOfEli
04-25-2012, 05:42 AM
Both are going to HOF but won't get in until their 3-5 year of eligibility.

DragonSoul
04-29-2012, 01:24 AM
dawkins i can see, mcnabb not

Sarcasman
04-29-2012, 12:42 PM
McNabb's greatest accomplishment was helping guide a team to 4 straight NFC Championship games and one Superbowl.

I'd say that counts for something. But outside of that, he wasn't an exceptionally great quarterback. Never passed for over 400 yards and his rushing totals really weren't as great as I remembered. He had a good career, but was it hall of fame worthy? I'd say borderline.


Great summation, i concur.

giantyankee1976
04-30-2012, 11:32 PM
McNuggets= no
Dawkins= yes

NJGIANTinNC
05-01-2012, 12:52 AM
Is it just me or does it seem like everyone gets in the hall of late.

If Kurt Warner is going he should just leave the door open and let anyone who wants to just walk on in.

---- except Mcnabb

jomo
05-01-2012, 01:08 AM
Let me frame this differently. Who would you want as your quarterback in a big game Phil Simms or Donovan McNabb? Phil is still waiting and he was a really good one; tough and clutch which Donovan can't claim.

JDE123
05-04-2012, 12:49 PM
McNabb's greatest accomplishment was helping guide a team to 4 straight NFC Championship games and one Superbowl.

I'd say that counts for something. But outside of that, he wasn't an exceptionally great quarterback. Never passed for over 400 yards and his rushing totals really weren't as great as I remembered. He had a good career, but was it hall of fame worthy? I'd say borderline.
he did it when the nfc east was horrible. Almost a guarantee of 6 wins each year. And more then that he choked in big spots...
I love it when we completely dismiss the accomplishments of players on other teams with irrational arguments. "Of course they went to the Conference Championship game every year, they played in a weak division..."

My problem with McNabb in the Hall is that, at any given time, I always felt like there were at least 3-5 QBs I'd take ahead of him (Warner, Manning, Favre, Green, Bledsoe, Brady, Culpepper). Considering that I'd only put 3 of those guys in (Favre, Manning, Brady) it's hard for me to vote in favor of McNabb.