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GGTM_1977
04-20-2012, 11:32 AM
We either grab Fleener if he is there, or a WR that is 1st round pick worthy (Hill, Randle, Jeffrey). We need a good 3rd recieving option for Eli, with MM's departure. I know alot of people think JJ will fill the void.......I don't feel so assured of his ability to be the #3 guy. Even if JJ can tow the line, we still would want somebody of quality to be a #4........cuz I definatley don't have alot of faith in Barden, or Hixon (due to consecutive acl injuries).

GMENAGAIN
04-20-2012, 11:42 AM
I agree . . . . </P>


Our QB is our best player and the guy who got us to the SB. Our first priority should be to make sure that he has all of the weapons that he needs . . . . </P>

NY_Eli
04-20-2012, 11:43 AM
I agree . . . . </P>


Our QB is our best player and the guy who got us to the SB.* Our first priority should be to make sure that he has all of the weapons that he needs . . . . </P>

I think he needs a good running game more than another receiver at this point

GGTM_1977
04-20-2012, 12:07 PM
I agree . . . . </P>


Our QB is our best player and the guy who got us to the SB.* Our first priority should be to make sure that he has all of the weapons that he needs . . . . </P>

I think he needs a good running game more than another receiver at this point


I agree, however if we are in fact "setting up the run with the pass" and not vice versa.........then I think we should address the passing options first, then address the RB issue. Also remember, alot of our running game woes are due to poor Oline play.........

gmen0820
04-20-2012, 12:13 PM
I agree . . . . </P>


Our QB is our best player and the guy who got us to the SB.* Our first priority should be to make sure that he has all of the weapons that he needs . . . . </P>

I think he needs a good running game more than another receiver at this point


I agree, however if we are in fact "setting up the run with the pass" and not vice versa.........then I think we should address the passing options first, then address the RB issue. Also remember, alot of our running game woes are due to poor Oline play.........Poor running back play is certainly a part of it, too. Bradshaw was clearly not near 100%, and Jacobs is not a starting RB in this league.

Can a good OL make any RB look good? Sure -- but the reverse is also true. And no, it doesn't only take "Barry Sanders", it takes almost all top draft pick RBs.

Rice, McCoy, Peterson, CJ2K, Stewart, D-Will, Steven Jackson, McFadden, Forte -- all top 2 round picks.

GGTM_1977
04-20-2012, 12:28 PM
I agree . . . . </P>


Our QB is our best player and the guy who got us to the SB.* Our first priority should be to make sure that he has all of the weapons that he needs . . . . </P>

I think he needs a good running game more than another receiver at this point


I agree, however if we are in fact "setting up the run with the pass" and not vice versa.........then I think we should address the passing options first, then address the RB issue. Also remember, alot of our running game woes are due to poor Oline play.........Poor running back play is certainly a part of it, too. Bradshaw was clearly not near 100%, and Jacobs is not a starting RB in this league.

Can a good OL make any RB look good? Sure -- but the reverse is also true. And no, it doesn't only take "Barry Sanders", it takes almost all top draft pick RBs.

Rice, McCoy, Peterson, CJ2K, Stewart, D-Will, Steven Jackson, McFadden, Forte -- all top 2 round picks.


Also true....but alot of those are injured often, makes you wonder if them over compensating for bad Oline play is causing them to overexert themselves and get them hurt/injured. I think a good RB behind a good Oline is more effective than only having one of those be good and the other poor.

gmen0820
04-20-2012, 12:34 PM
I agree . . . . </P>


Our QB is our best player and the guy who got us to the SB.* Our first priority should be to make sure that he has all of the weapons that he needs . . . . </P>

I think he needs a good running game more than another receiver at this point


I agree, however if we are in fact "setting up the run with the pass" and not vice versa.........then I think we should address the passing options first, then address the RB issue. Also remember, alot of our running game woes are due to poor Oline play.........Poor running back play is certainly a part of it, too. Bradshaw was clearly not near 100%, and Jacobs is not a starting RB in this league.

Can a good OL make any RB look good? Sure -- but the reverse is also true. And no, it doesn't only take "Barry Sanders", it takes almost all top draft pick RBs.

Rice, McCoy, Peterson, CJ2K, Stewart, D-Will, Steven Jackson, McFadden, Forte -- all top 2 round picks.


Also true....but alot of those are injured often, makes you wonder if them over compensating for bad Oline play is causing them to overexert themselves and get them hurt/injured. I think a good RB behind a good Oline is more effective than only having one of those be good and the other poor.Yeah but who wants to allocate the picks to fix both of those issues?

Our RBs are poor, and so is our OL. Why invest so much to fix what won't even be featured in our offense? I'd rather just get a top RB in this class and let him provide a jolt for our running game, and Doug Martin is a guy I feel could do it with our first pick, and Lamar Miller is a guy I feel could do it with our second pick.

DelawareGiants
04-20-2012, 01:00 PM
We pick-
Fleener TE- I'm happy
pick Hill WR- I'm happy
Pick D. Martin RB- I'm happy
Pick D. Still DT- I'm happy
Pick J Martin OT- I'm happy
Pick Ch. Jones DE (NOT CEDRIC JONES)- I'm happy

what will be key is who we follow up with in rounds 2 and 3 and 4a and 4b. We will get a quality guy in round 1 that probably should have been picked earlier.

GGTM_1977
04-20-2012, 01:26 PM
I agree . . . . </P>


Our QB is our best player and the guy who got us to the SB.* Our first priority should be to make sure that he has all of the weapons that he needs . . . . </P>

I think he needs a good running game more than another receiver at this point


I agree, however if we are in fact "setting up the run with the pass" and not vice versa.........then I think we should address the passing options first, then address the RB issue. Also remember, alot of our running game woes are due to poor Oline play.........Poor running back play is certainly a part of it, too. Bradshaw was clearly not near 100%, and Jacobs is not a starting RB in this league.

Can a good OL make any RB look good? Sure -- but the reverse is also true. And no, it doesn't only take "Barry Sanders", it takes almost all top draft pick RBs.

Rice, McCoy, Peterson, CJ2K, Stewart, D-Will, Steven Jackson, McFadden, Forte -- all top 2 round picks.


Also true....but alot of those are injured often, makes you wonder if them over compensating for bad Oline play is causing them to overexert themselves and get them hurt/injured. I think a good RB behind a good Oline is more effective than only having one of those be good and the other poor.Yeah but who wants to allocate the picks to fix both of those issues?

Our RBs are poor, and so is our OL. Why invest so much to fix what won't even be featured in our offense? I'd rather just get a top RB in this class and let him provide a jolt for our running game, and Doug Martin is a guy I feel could do it with our first pick, and Lamar Miller is a guy I feel could do it with our second pick.


Wait I am confused, you say "Why invest so much to fix what won't even be featured in our offense?" What "featured" part are you refering to hear? If we are talking about the Oline......how do you feature the Oline? And we should always try to improve the Oline if we want Eli to be safe back there passing, as well as have a shot at running the ball decently. Gone are the days of the every down RB......guys can't holdup like they used to. You really need 2 decent RBs vs one really good one to have success in running the ball these days.....

gmen0820
04-20-2012, 01:56 PM
Wait I am confused, you say "Why invest so much to fix what won't even be featured in our offense?" What "featured" part are you refering to hear? If we are talking about the Oline......how do you feature the Oline? And we should always try to improve the Oline if we want Eli to be safe back there passing, as well as have a shot at running the ball decently. Gone are the days of the every down RB......guys can't holdup like they used to. You really need 2 decent RBs vs one really good one to have success in running the ball these days.....I'm tagalong about the running game. You say it is better to have a good RB, and a good OL for the RB. I think it'd be foolish to invest so heavily to fix the run game since it isn't featured in our offense.

We can all agree that Eli is the best player on our offense, and good things will happen if we can keep the ball in his hands. Eli is safe behind our OL. He is a great QB, he makes that OL, just like all great QBs do.

If we take a RB, it'd be pointless to take an OL just so that RB can likely be more effective, because you want a RB who makes your running game. Different story though if you want to draft an OL guy to help your existing RBs though, I just think it is foolish to draft both with the same intentions of fixing your run game, especially since we are a passing team.

And no, I don't regard OL as a big hole that needs to be addressed early in the draft. I'd much rather have Doug Martin/top WR in the first than any tackle that will likely be there.

rainierjef
04-20-2012, 06:40 PM
I Agree with the OP and what Gmen0280 are saying and its a real quick solution to this.
i love doug martin but the way our line currently stands he might not be that effective year one, he doesn't create his own lanes. a guy like isiah pead who has great vision and can create his own gaps has the speed to shoot the gaps before they close in can be had in the 2nd possibly into the 3rd. and Fleener can immediately upgrade the run blocking on the outside for bradshaw who loves to bounce it out. its all aobut keeping the defense honest and there's no way with eli fleener cruz nicks that the defense doesn't honor that and not stack the box, an unstacked box creates a field day for a runner like bradshaw/pead who are fast scat backs then switch it up with scott in the 4th to power/speed the defense ( he has a close similar build of jones drew ) so he can hide behind the tackles and puch an unexpected LB with a low center of gravity/ lower pad level. we can recreate earth wind fire with pead i think. if we get martin it would be more like earth / earth / fire lol.

i really feel that we have to jump on TE early cause all these guys we feel might fall to the 4th are imho not going to be there. its a passing/copy cat league and i feel WR's are going to go off the board faster than tickle me elmos on christmas. then after the good WR's are gone who's next? thats right TE's not everyteam values a blocking TE over a Receiving TE, dallas, eagles, texans, bengals, vikings, rams, bears are just to name a few who might look at TE in the second or possible first, everyone wants to find that next graham/ gronk / finley or incorporate the two TE systems to take advantage of the rules that protects players over the middle/ defensless.

this is why i feel RB is going to drop severly, casue teams are going to draft to either enhance the passing game/ protect the passing game / prevent the passing game / attack the passing game's passer.

but thats just me

THE_New_York_Giants
04-20-2012, 07:03 PM
I expect DL