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Pa1jintfan
04-21-2012, 08:35 AM
I would. A lot of mocks still have us taking him if available. I feel that we are in great shape now with TEs. I think Bennett will be solid and Ballard will be back eventually. I just think TE is not the right pick. I love what Reese has done lately. Adding nice quality depth to a solid football team. I think it comes down to 4 positions. DE,OL,CB,LB. With possibly RB, but I think we will get a 5-6 year RB after the draft. Hopefully benson.

dante3
04-21-2012, 08:49 AM
I would not be disappointed. we have depth at many positions but really we can't count on Ballard this year, Bennett will be an experiment with a huge upside. If Pascoe was that good he wouldn't have been a sub and only God knows about Beckum coming off his injury and the other guy, whose name I forget, from the practice squad. So if we was sitting there and Jerry picked him I wouldn't be upset. Besides with an unknown for the third wide receiver, a double tight end set like we used when Shockey was here would not only help the running game but help the passing game as well. See what NE does with double tight ends. I trust Reese.

NewYorkSwagg
04-21-2012, 08:50 AM
N.Y Giants will not take a T.E in the first round. Fleener is not the type of TE the Giants looking for he is to small. Plus John spoke with Jerry Reese and he do not think there is a TE that's worth taking in the First 2 rounds. Trust me the Giants will take Hightower at 32 they really like him and Alshon Jeffery. Also don't look for OT in the first round because at 32 Jerry Reese don't think there is a OT worth taking at 32 only second round grade OT, so remember look for Hightower or Jeffery at 32.

Pa1jintfan
04-21-2012, 08:54 AM
Dante,
Good post. I do agree with you and 2 TE sets. That is power giant football. Couple that with our explosion passing game, and teams would have no clue what was coming at them. I think I our running game got going, this team could break serious records. I believe that you still need to run the ball to win in this current NFL. We have lacked the closing ability in the last few years. I do trust Reese.

Spizi
04-21-2012, 08:58 AM
N.Y Giants will not take a T.E in the first round. Fleener is not the type of TE the Giants looking for he is to small. Plus John spoke with Jerry Reese and he do not think there is a TE that's worth taking in the First 2 rounds. Trust me the Giants will take Hightower at 32 they really like him and Alshon Jeffery. Also don't look for OT in the first round because at 32 Jerry Reese don't think there is a OT worth taking at 32 only second round grade OT, so remember look for Hightower or Jeffery at 32.

He's 8 lbs less than boss with room to add weight.

GMENAGAIN
04-21-2012, 09:59 AM
I would. A lot of mocks still have us taking him if available. I feel that we are in great shape now with TEs. I think Bennett will be solid and Ballard will be back eventually. I just think TE is not the right pick. I love what Reese has done lately. Adding nice quality depth to a solid football team. I think it comes down to 4 positions. DE,OL,CB,LB. With possibly RB, but I think we will get a 5-6 year RB after the draft. Hopefully benson.</P>


We are in "great shape" at TE??? lol</P>


Ballard will probably not even play this year and Beckum was a non-contributor before he blew his knee out. Pascoe is not a starting caliber TE and Bennett has been a career underachiever.</P>


Yeah, we're ingreat shape at TE alright . . . .</P>

rainierjef
04-21-2012, 05:03 PM
1. you cannot believe anything any GM says near draft time, they are constantly trying to throw eachother off so that the players they claim they don't want or claim they like either drop / or get take early so other players drop. its a verbal chess game.

2. we are not good at TE we have one possible starting TE in bennett and he is a project with some upside if he can contribute the way people expected him to, its been 4 years i'm not expecting much so if he does contribute i would be extremely surprised / if he doesn't i will not be butt hurt ( if he doesn't look for these posters to be in outrage with multiple he's a bum posts. )

3. Fleeener has great hands / good separation speed / high vertical / challenges the ball at its high point / uses his body against defenders / breaks or drags tackles / played in a pro style offense / can block ( not the best but coach pope can spin this kid up to be a great blocker in a year or 2 ) / he has the frame to add muscle and not lose speed / he will abuse the middle of the field and couple him with cruz it becomes a pick your poison situation / if we get him then getting a 3rd receiver becomes a luxury that can wait till 2nd pick of round 4 cause even if Jerrnigan / barden / hixon / WR pick doesn't pan out Fleener / cruz / nicks should be more than enough to keep defenders guessing.

4. lets face it ballard wasn't scaring anyone, neither is pascoe who is not a starting caliber TE "yet" look at tony romo and over the course of his career look who gets the ball the most and gains the most yards... witten. those short to intermediate routes for big YAC is what makes tony's stats look so good.
Eli &gt; tony so give him a TE that can be like a witten/shockey ( pre prima donna ) and watch how eli dominates the field by spreading the ball / checking down.
if fleener is the check down option then that's a good deal, then we don't have to fuss about our backs not catching the ball so much, and when they do it throws the defenses off cause its not expected... think back to the super bowl when we threw to hynoski the defense got caught off guard on both those plays.

5. we are in a passing league now, once you heard 3-4 QB's nearing 5k you should of understood that, that's not to say the running game is abandoned, the giants are a run first team but we have the luxury of being a pass to set up the run team now so we are extremely balanced when our running game returns to its former status that is lol. Eli needs better weapons to work with. like i said in another post.
<blockquote>Either protect Eli or give him weapons in the first. there will be no first round talent protection where we pick so weapons are the next option.

</blockquote>i don't know how else to explain why fleener would be the best BPA/Need option at 32 if he's there. if he isn't then fine but alot of mocks i see have no one taking him and us going with a DE/DT ??? sigh* i trust reese but i think taking one of those positions would be more of a financial safety net than a BPA/need pick and picking LB would be stretching cause outside of Keuchly i don't think any LB fits our system to spend a 1st on. that includes Hightower

also people feel TE's are going to drop all th way to bottom of 3rd, that's a stretch as well, cause once these teams run dry on picking 1st-2nd grade WR's then TE's are next don't expect green /egnew to be there at 63 IMHO the way its looking

1. fleener
2. charles
3. allen
4. egnew
5. green
6........
i expect all 5 of those guys gone by 63 then whoever is available at 6th best is not even worth looking at till 4-5th round IMHO

nygfan0816
04-21-2012, 05:11 PM
why would u be dissapointed? fleener has the potential to be a great TE. i'll be real dissapointed if hes available and they DONT take him. we are stacked at LB so i dont think hightower, i actually see the pats taking him right b4 us. and we are not at all in great shape at TE. ballard, who i like, wont be back till november if even at all. beckum sucks, pascoe is a good 2nd TE/FB and bennet onky has a 1 year deal and will be gone after next year anyway. and i hate the argument that the giants dont like recieving TEs, what sense does that make? they havent had a good receiving TE since shockey. boss was ok, nothing great, same goes for ballard. fleener is also a good blocker who could improve. my only hope is that he is there at 32.

JacksGiant76
04-22-2012, 02:27 PM
Honestly, I think the Giants go Fleener, Martin and Hill, in that order.

I think the TE position is the most unsettled just because Bennett is only on a 1 year contract. If he has a great year, I don't know if the Giants will have the cap room to resign him. I love Ballard but after ACL and micro-fracture, who knows what he's going to be like when he comes back. Beckum is Beckum as Coughlin likes to say.

Giants could probably stand to upgrade the RB position some. Bradshaw has the foot problems and Ware seems pretty fragile and all we know about Scott is he's fast as hell but nothing else. Martin is suppose to be the real deal so I can't see how you go wrong there.

I do like Stephen Hill as well as I think he could really stretch the field and having him on the field with Cruz and Nicks and Bennett could be lethal. Don't think the Giants are sold on Barden, especially since Jernigan replaced him on the roster. I think Jernigan is an unknown but I think he could do well, hence why I think WR is the third option.

Obviously all these guys could be gone by the time we pick.

DelawareGiants
04-22-2012, 03:32 PM
If Giants had Fleener, Martin and Hill on the board and they pick Fleener- I am disappointed. They can get a developmental TE to contribute in the later rounds. IMO- Martin could give us 15 touches a game at RB and Hill could be a very special receiver. I think we need more help at RB than receiver though.

slipknottin
04-22-2012, 03:49 PM
I think this draft has way more depth at WR and HB than it does at TE

NorwoodBlue
04-22-2012, 04:23 PM
The TE behind Fleener might not be that good; but he looks like a top tier tight end. If he falls to us, I think it's no brainer pick. There will be good RB in the second - fourth rounds, and I think we've got a very serviceable group of WR. I think you add the best players you can find to this team, pretty much without trying too hard to fill "need" positions. Any lingering needs can be addressed from the rest of the free agent pool. Raise the talent level and fill in the holes later.

nygfan0816
04-22-2012, 07:39 PM
49ers
texans
broncos
bears

all pick before us and may have interest in fleener.

i dont think the bears would take him that high

texans lost dressen and may want him behind daniels

broncos signed tamme and dressen and probly go dline with their pick

9ers seem to have a lot of interest in him because of his relationship with harbaugh at stanford. hope they dont take him.

gmen0820
04-22-2012, 08:12 PM
I would rather take the best RB in the first and pray for Allen in the second. Allen and Bennett give us two huge upside, mauling inline TEs. If we take Martin, he is a great downhill feature back. We could run 22 all day, and we'd have two tough TEs who could catch and block, a devastating run game again, and two receivers in Nicks and Cruz who can get open without help from scheme. Think Cowboys offense on steroids.

giantsfan420
04-22-2012, 08:17 PM
N.Y Giants will not take a T.E in the first round. Fleener is not the type of TE the Giants looking for he is to small. Plus John spoke with Jerry Reese and he do not think there is a TE that's worth taking in the First 2 rounds. Trust me the Giants will take Hightower at 32 they really like him and Alshon Jeffery. Also don't look for OT in the first round because at 32 Jerry Reese don't think there is a OT worth taking at 32 only second round grade OT, so remember look for Hightower or Jeffery at 32.

wtf r u talking about? fleener is 6'6 and 250 plus pounds...def not small...at all.

i would like the pick. he could work the middle of the field and also be a deep threat, which would free up the outside for nicks and cruz...

and r.randle would be our pick over jeffery imo but i'd be fine with either...

giantsfan420
04-22-2012, 08:25 PM
I would. A lot of mocks still have us taking him if available. I feel that we are in great shape now with TEs. I think Bennett will be solid and Ballard will be back eventually. I just think TE is not the right pick. I love what Reese has done lately. Adding nice quality depth to a solid football team. I think it comes down to 4 positions. DE,OL,CB,LB. With possibly RB, but I think we will get a 5-6 year RB after the draft. Hopefully benson.</P>


We are in "great shape" at TE???* lol</P>


Ballard will probably not even play this year and Beckum was a non-contributor before he blew his knee out.* Pascoe is not a starting caliber TE and Bennett has been a career underachiever.</P>


Yeah, we're in*great shape at TE alright . . . .*</P>

exactly. also, keep in mind that ballard is also pretty slow. if he loses a step bc of his injury, which is almost always the case, ballard imo will pretty much be done...i know he had success last yr even with being slow, but a lot of that was bc of eli being accurate and ballard giving eli a big target. i just cannot imagine how ballard would get any seperation if he loses a step. he could very well recover fully, but he's only signed for 1 more yr just like bennett.

fleener would be the long term TE solution imo and he'd be a beast in this offense with eli

DelawareGiants
04-22-2012, 08:37 PM
I would rather take the best RB in the first and pray for Allen in the second. Allen and Bennett give us two huge upside, mauling inline TEs. If we take Martin, he is a great downhill feature back. We could run 22 all day, and we'd have two tough TEs who could catch and block, a devastating run game again, and two receivers in Nicks and Cruz who can get open without help from scheme. Think Cowboys offense on steroids.

Exactly- even if Allen is gone by the end of the 2nd- we could draft someone like Egnew in 4th and let Pope develop him. I also think that WR are quite deep in this draft that we can wait til Round 4- a guy like Streeter or Quick- both could stretch the field for us like Manningham did. I like Streeter- big and fast and very young and could develop into great receiver. That would leave round 2 and 3 to add some big bodies on OL and DL.

gmen0820
04-22-2012, 08:46 PM
I would rather take the best RB in the first and pray for Allen in the second. Allen and Bennett give us two huge upside, mauling inline TEs. If we take Martin, he is a great downhill feature back. We could run 22 all day, and we'd have two tough TEs who could catch and block, a devastating run game again, and two receivers in Nicks and Cruz who can get open without help from scheme. Think Cowboys offense on steroids.

Exactly- even if Allen is gone by the end of the 2nd- we could draft someone like Egnew in 4th and let Pope develop him. I also think that WR are quite deep in this draft that we can wait til Round 4- a guy like Streeter or Quick- both could stretch the field for us like Manningham did. I like Streeter- big and fast and very young and could develop into great receiver. That would leave round 2 and 3 to add some big bodies on OL and DL.Yeah if we went DL in the first and/or second, we could still get a guy like Criner, Childs, M. Jones in the 3-5 range, Gray, Polk, Pead who I've been touting up for about a month now in the 3-4 range, Evan Rodriguez or Beau Reliford who are TEs I really like in the 5-7 range.

rainierjef
04-22-2012, 11:32 PM
Allen / charles / egnew / green are all gone i believe before we pick in the 2nd. teams are going to take them especially teams that are becoming more pass oriented. everyone is going to abuse the rules set by the nfl protecting players over the middle and what better way to do that than with a fast tight end.

Neverend
04-23-2012, 12:01 AM
I wouldn't be disappointed with Fleener

He has the potential to be a flat out dominant TE as far as receiving goes. Forget "need", best teams draft value

gmen0820
04-23-2012, 12:06 AM
teams are going to take them especially teams that are becoming more pass oriented. That's why Allen, a traditional inline TE, might fall.

Egnew and Green are guys I definitely don't see going in the second round, but it's all projections at this point.

Watch out for a guy like Beau Reliford from FSU. Late round sleeper, I love this kid.

gmen0820
04-23-2012, 12:09 AM
I wouldn't be disappointed with Fleener

He has the potential to be a flat out dominant TE as far as receiving goes. Forget "need", best teams draft valueYeah if he is the pick, there is no reason not to like the pick. The kid has the traits to be a beast, and we have the coaches to develop him.

This kid is a prototypical Cover 2 buster.