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CGYgiant
04-23-2012, 10:46 PM
http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_cp



Thought this list was interesting, biggest surprise is Chandler Jones at 9, looks like he will go earlier then 32 when most on these boards were saying he would be a reach at our draft slot.

what do you guys think?

JJC7301
04-23-2012, 11:17 PM
He's got Doug Martin at 17, but many mocks have him falling to the 2nd round. I'd love to have Martin at number 32.

DragonSoul
04-23-2012, 11:19 PM
no idea who he is.

Drez
04-23-2012, 11:21 PM
no idea who he is.
RB out of Boise State.

DragonSoul
04-23-2012, 11:25 PM
no idea who he is.
RB out of Boise State.
thxs

BlueSanta
04-24-2012, 12:42 AM
Kinda Surprised how low he has Lamar Miller. I do think Miller should be behind Wilson and Martin,but he has em all the way at 82nd behind Iseah Pead, and LaMichael James. That would put him in the mid/late 3rd round. That's way below where I thought.

I have always said, I thought Dwayne Allen and Coby Fleener are much closer in rating than their hype levels would indicate. Mayock seems to agree as they are only 5 spots apart. I think both are good in their own way, but that Dwayne Allen is receiving far less media hype than Fleener.

I also think Chandler Jones rated that high is no fluke. A lot of teams will have him rated there. '

CGYgiant
04-24-2012, 01:03 AM
Kinda Surprised how low he has Lamar Miller. I do think Miller should be behind Wilson and Martin,but he has em all the way at 82nd behind Iseah Pead, and LaMichael James. That would put him in the mid/late 3rd round. That's way below where I thought.

I have always said, I thought Dwayne Allen and Coby Fleener are much closer in rating than their hype levels would indicate. Mayock seems to agree as they are only 5 spots apart. I think both are good in their own way, but that Dwayne Allen is receiving far less media hype than Fleener.

I also think Chandler Jones rated that high is no fluke. A lot of teams will have him rated there. '


Check out Nick Perry, way down the list. I would love Chandler Jones to play our LE after Tuck calls it quits.

ShakeNBake
04-24-2012, 01:07 AM
he has stephen hill at 32, I really hope we don't draft a wr in the first

giantsfan420
04-24-2012, 02:40 AM
he has stephen hill at 32, I really hope we don't draft a wr in the first


he has WR Randle from LSU right at our 2nd round pick, but drafts never work like that. team needs, scheme, and the different draft boards doesnt reflect a top 100 players list

G.I. Ants
04-24-2012, 03:05 AM
Chandler Jones being so high is surprising but he did put up great numbers in 7 games and shows great promise. Plus he's long, freak of nature-ish and his siblings are great athletes which implies he could follow suit. Most mocks have him as a 2nd rounder but you never know, pick 32 can go from orange to big blue.

TheEnigma
04-24-2012, 04:09 AM
DeCastro at 24? The heck?

Captain Chaos
04-24-2012, 06:26 AM
he has stephen hill at 32, I really hope we don't draft a wr in the first
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If he is there we should jump on him!</P>

nycsportzfan
04-24-2012, 07:05 AM
He's got Doug Martin at 17, but many mocks have him falling to the 2nd round. I'd love to have Martin at number 32. How come a couple months ago when i had said i believe Martin was the 2nd best RB behind Richardson, well before it was seemingly more of a consensus, no one listened to me???lolj/k.. But ya, i also said he would rise into 1st rd considerations, and this was when he was perdicted by some as a 3rd rder... What i'm saying is, the kids mad good, and i'm glad people caught on.. He litteraly can do everything, including KR"s... As i've always said, hes the next in line of MJD/R.RICE, and teams are sick of letting those guys pass em by, only to wonder how they did, a couple yrs later..</P>


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Doug Martin is the guy i'm hoping for at pick 32, outside of Whitney Mercilus, whos another one i said would reach 1st rd months ago.. But, hes rised to far, and very doubtful he gets to us.. Those are my 2guys right there, Martin and Mercilus.. If i was a GM, those would be the 2guys i'd have realistaclly at the top of my board, and then i'd fill it out from there on...</P>

nycsportzfan
04-24-2012, 07:07 AM
Kinda Surprised how low he has Lamar Miller. I do think Miller should be behind Wilson and Martin,but he has em all the way at 82nd behind Iseah Pead, and LaMichael James. That would put him in the mid/late 3rd round. That's way below where I thought.

I have always said, I thought Dwayne Allen and Coby Fleener are much closer in rating than their hype levels would indicate. Mayock seems to agree as they are only 5 spots apart. I think both are good in their own way, but that Dwayne Allen is receiving far less media hype than Fleener.

I also think Chandler Jones rated that high is no fluke. A lot of teams will have him rated there. '


Check out Nick Perry, way down the list. I would love Chandler Jones to play our LE after Tuck calls it quits.
It sounds like Mayock is thinking just as i am.. I had heavy debate with heavyhitter about Nick Perry, and i told him i expect him to be a bust and Mercilus to be alot better, and obviously Doug Martin as i said, has been my 2nd rated RB for ever, and i have said for ever now, i don't really like Lamar Miller much at all.. Sure, i'd be intrigued if we got em, but i feel he goes down way to easily.. Litteraly Mayock and Me are on the same page this yr..lol

buddy33
04-24-2012, 08:40 AM
Doesn't it seem like a lot of USC turn out to be busts? I know there are a few good ones in there, but there have been quite a few busts as of late.

I think there are so many directons they can go. I'm rooting for Austin big time, but maybe they do draft another DT because after Canty and Joseph they have a guy who hasn't played in two years and an aging vet. After Webster and Prince they have a bunch of guys coming off injury and even Prince is not 100% though I hope he is by summer camp. They lost a RB, have one that has bad feet, one who was a rookie with limited playing time last year, and a guy suspended for part of the season. I think Manningham is a huge loss and IF JJ is not able to step up who else do they have? Safety? OL? I mean other than QB they could use help at all positions.

Redeyejedi
04-24-2012, 08:53 AM
Yesterday it was pointed out to me how much Mayocks Top 5 has changed since Feb.It seems he is being swayed more on public opinion then his own eyes

buddy33
04-24-2012, 09:05 AM
Who has changed in his top 5?

Looks like the same top 5 everyone has had for a while now.

Redeyejedi
04-24-2012, 09:16 AM
Who has changed in his top 5?

Looks like the same top 5 everyone has had for a while now.at each pos. Chandler Jones went from not being in hisTop 5 at DE to his number 1 DE.

Fletcher Cox went from his 5th to #1 .Ive had him #1 for longer then he has

Shea Mcclenin a guy me and Sportzfan have talked about since the summer wasnt on his board now he is #1. He just realized he could play .He was completely ignored till he ran a fast 40. U couldnt see he was fast before that. Go watch the Bowl game. Brock Osweiler throws a pick in the Endzone and watch Shea get out in front and block on the 99 yard INT return

Moving a guy from #3 to #1 like the Fleener move is acceptable but when U start moving guys that much its a little funny i think

Mayock is great but it seems like he is being swayed a lot like Kiper and Mccshay this year

buddy33
04-24-2012, 09:22 AM
I sure hope that's not the case.

GMENAGAIN
04-24-2012, 10:07 AM
Yesterday it was pointed out to me how much Mayocks Top 5 has changed since Feb.It seems he is being swayed more on public opinion then his own eyes</P>


Nah, the guy is constantly watching film . . . . and I think that he adjusts based upon what he sees on film. He may also be hearing things from NFL scouts.</P>


He's the best out there. </P>

nycsportzfan
04-24-2012, 10:52 AM
Who has changed in his top 5? Looks like the same top 5 everyone has had for a while now.at each pos. Chandler Jones went from not being in hisTop 5 at DE to his number 1 DE. Fletcher Cox went from his 5th to #1 .Ive had him #1 for longer then he has Shea Mcclenin a guy me and Sportzfan have talked about since the summer wasnt on his board now he is #1. He just realized he could play .He was completely ignored till he ran a fast 40. U couldnt see he was fast before that. Go watch the Bowl game. Brock Osweiler throws a pick in the Endzone and watch Shea get out in front and block on the 99 yard INT return Moving a guy from #3 to #1 like the Fleener move is acceptable but when U start moving guys that much its a little funny i think Mayock is great but it seems like he is being swayed a lot like Kiper and Mccshay this year All my guys i thought would rise months ago have.. I also was also talking about Fletcher Cox on a bunch of threads well before his rise.. I trust my own analysis more then any draft guru anyhow..lol Sounds ****y or whatever, but i feel i spend way way way to much time on the draft, that i think i got it down just as good as anyone, even though they got more inside info then me.. </P>


Litteraly, Cox, Martin, Mercilus, are 3guys i called rising about most if not all of there positons, when Cox was a perdicted 2nd rder, Mercilus a 2nd rder, and Martin a 2nd-3rd rder.. With cox, u just look at his defined physique and the way he makes plays, which as a DT, when u got the size and pure playmaking ability, your going to rise up boards, end of story.. With Martin, all u have to do when watching em, is think of the success of Ray Rice and MJD, and how there eerily similar in Size and there skills, and u add in that Martin can return kicks, and its like, dang!!!LOl</P>


Mercilus is in teh same boat as Cox, where he makes plays and forces turnovers, and is very strong.. Hes basically a more athletic justin tuck.. The motor on Cox, Mercilus and Martin are all fantastic as well..</P>


One guy i definetly thought would rise though, and hasen't quite risen, at least publicly , is Casey Hayward CB Vandy.. That freaking kid is nasty.. We all know hes not a Elite speed guy, but he flat out has great technique, and makes plays on the ball.. Hes obviously a smart kid, coming from Vandy as well, which dosen't hurt, especially when playing CB... I was saying months ago, and i stand by it, that i thought Hayward was a better prospect then Kirkpatrick, who now has kinda lost his shine a bit, but when i first said it, he was still pretty much consensus number 2 CB, when now, hes got a bit of doubt, with Gilmore out there...</P>

nycsportzfan
04-24-2012, 10:56 AM
Yesterday it was pointed out to me how much Mayocks Top 5 has changed since Feb.It seems he is being swayed more on public opinion then his own eyes</P>


Nah, the guy is constantly watching film . . . . and I think that he adjusts based upon what he sees on film. He may also be hearing things from NFL scouts.</P>


He's the best out there. </P> Your right to a degree.. You'd think he has all sorts of time for the draft, but he actually has a job, announcing ND games. Thats why i kinda figured when he got around to it on a much more focused basis, that he'd see the same things in guys like Doug Martin and Cox and Mercilus and etc.., that i did and others as well...

Kruunch
04-24-2012, 12:04 PM
Yesterday it was pointed out to me how much Mayocks Top 5 has changed since Feb.It seems he is being swayed more on public opinion then his own eyes

Yeah the more I see of Mayock's list the more I wonder. He had Orson Charles as the best TE in the draft for a loooooooooooong time (always thought that was nuts) and now he has him as 3rd best along with the rest of the nation.

I smell peer pressure.

Of course I wonder how much of his seeming waffling is just to attract media buzz.

slipknottin
04-24-2012, 12:21 PM
Im not sure its peer pressure as much as what he hears from teams and scouts.

But its still in contrast to what he used to do, when he rated purely based off tape, having guys like Earl Thomas above Eric Berry when probably no NFL teams had them rated that way.

Redeyejedi
04-24-2012, 12:58 PM
Yesterday it was pointed out to me how much Mayocks Top 5 has changed since Feb.It seems he is being swayed more on public opinion then his own eyes

Yeah the more I see of Mayock's list the more I wonder. He had Orson Charles as the best TE in the draft for a loooooooooooong time (always thought that was nuts) and now he has him as 3rd best along with the rest of the nation.

I smell peer pressure.

Of course I wonder how much of his seeming waffling is just to attract media buzz.That 1 I kind of dismiss because of the DUI.

Redeyejedi
04-24-2012, 12:58 PM
Yesterday it was pointed out to me how much Mayocks Top 5 has changed since Feb.It seems he is being swayed more on public opinion then his own eyes

Yeah the more I see of Mayock's list the more I wonder. He had Orson Charles as the best TE in the draft for a loooooooooooong time (always thought that was nuts) and now he has him as 3rd best along with the rest of the nation.

I smell peer pressure.

Of course I wonder how much of his seeming waffling is just to attract media buzz.That 1 I kind of dismiss because of the DUI.

Redeyejedi
04-24-2012, 01:02 PM
Im not sure its peer pressure as much as what he hears from teams and scouts.

But its still in contrast to what he used to do, when he rated purely based off tape, having guys like Earl Thomas above Eric Berry when probably no NFL teams had them rated that way. I agree he is being swayed by outside forces. I dont think this year has been like previous years when he graded guys

Redeyejedi
04-24-2012, 01:04 PM
Yesterday it was pointed out to me how much Mayocks Top 5 has changed since Feb.It seems he is being swayed more on public opinion then his own eyes</P>


Nah, the guy is constantly watching film . . . . and I think that he adjusts based upon what he sees on film.* He may also be hearing things from NFL scouts.</P>


He's the best out there.* </P>Its most likely from scouts I agree but previous years he wasnt swayed so much. Thats more of a Kiper Mcshay thing.

Neverend
04-24-2012, 01:06 PM
Im not sure its peer pressure as much as what he hears from teams and scouts.

But its still in contrast to what he used to do, when he rated purely based off tape, having guys like Earl Thomas above Eric Berry when probably no NFL teams had them rated that way.

yea and mccoy over suh

Redeyejedi
04-24-2012, 01:20 PM
Who has changed in his top 5? Looks like the same top 5 everyone has had for a while now.at each pos. Chandler Jones went from not being in hisTop 5 at DE to his number 1 DE. Fletcher Cox went from his 5th to #1 .Ive had him #1 for longer then he has Shea Mcclenin a guy me and Sportzfan have talked about since the summer wasnt on his board now he is #1. He just realized he could play .He was completely ignored till he ran a fast 40. U couldnt see he was fast before that. Go watch the Bowl game. Brock Osweiler throws a pick in the Endzone and watch Shea get out in front and block on the 99 yard INT return Moving a guy from #3 to #1 like the Fleener move is acceptable but when U start moving guys that much its a little funny i think Mayock is great but it seems like he is being swayed a lot like Kiper and Mccshay this year* All my guys i thought would rise months ago have.. I also was also talking about Fletcher Cox on a bunch of threads well before his rise.. I trust my own analysis more then any draft guru anyhow..lol*** Sounds ****y or whatever, but i feel i spend way way way to much time on the draft, that i think i got it down just as good as anyone, even though they got more inside info then me.. </P>


Litteraly, Cox, Martin, Mercilus, are 3guys i called rising about most if not all of there positons, when Cox was a perdicted 2nd rder, Mercilus a 2nd rder, and Martin a 2nd-3rd rder..* With cox, u just look at his defined physique and the way he makes plays, which as a DT, when u got the size and pure playmaking ability, your going to rise up boards, end of story..* With Martin, all u have to do when watching em, is think of the success of Ray Rice and MJD, and how there eerily similar in Size and there skills, and u add in that Martin can return kicks, and its like, dang!!!LOl</P>


Mercilus is in teh same boat as Cox, where he makes plays and forces turnovers, and is very strong.. Hes basically a more athletic justin tuck.. The motor on Cox, Mercilus and Martin are all fantastic as well..</P>


One guy i definetly thought would rise though, and hasen't quite risen, at least publicly , is Casey Hayward CB Vandy.. That freaking kid is nasty..** We all know hes not a Elite speed guy, but he flat out has great technique, and makes plays on the ball.. Hes obviously a smart kid, coming from Vandy as well, which dosen't hurt, especially when playing CB...* I was saying months ago, and i stand by it, that i thought Hayward was a better prospect then Kirkpatrick, who now has kinda lost his shine a bit, but when i first said it, he was still pretty much consensus number 2 CB, when now, hes got a bit of doubt, with Gilmore out there...</P>I think people get scared off by Haywards timed speed. I think Hayward would be great in a zone scheme. He has great instincts and ball skills

critters
04-24-2012, 01:32 PM
I think it's more about watching film then being swayed by public opinion. He has Don'ta Hightower as the #15 player... Most (not me!) have been saying he may drop out of the first round. He has Kendall Wright rated higher than anyone I have seen. Devon Still at 42 while most have him going first round. Dre Kirkpatrick as the 3rd best CB while most have him as clearly the 2nd. There are a few I question, like Poe, who I think isn't deserving of a first round pick and he may have jumped on the hype train for.

BlueSanta
04-24-2012, 02:13 PM
I think it's more about watching film then being swayed by public opinion. He has Don'ta Hightower as the #15 player... Most (not me!) have been saying he may drop out of the first round. He has Kendall Wright rated higher than anyone I have seen. Devon Still at 42 while most have him going first round. Dre Kirkpatrick as the 3rd best CB while most have him as clearly the 2nd. There are a few I question, like Poe, who I think isn't deserving of a first round pick and he may have jumped on the hype train for.


Ehh your point has a bit of a logic flaw though. This is not a mock, nor does a guy being rated 17th mean he is likely to be picked at 17. Similarly, because a guy is rated 20th does not make him a 1st rounder. Position, among other things, affects value. This top 100 by Mayock is purely a player ranking without regarding position or any other factors.

Ryan Tannehill is rated 19th on Mayocks board compared to Doug Martin at 17. Yet few actually believe Doug will go before Ryan.

David Wilson is the 33rd ranked player and yet it is unlikely he is selected before some of the guys all the way up to 50 simply based on position.

Furthermore, depth of class affects value too. If people know the DT class is extremely deep and they have a need at DT and OT they may pass on the DT until a later round simply because the OT class isnt as deep and they wont have an opportunity to fill that need in later rounds.

BlueSanta
04-24-2012, 02:44 PM
He's got Doug Martin at 17, but many mocks have him falling to the 2nd round. I'd love to have Martin at number 32. How come a couple months ago when i had said i believe Martin was the 2nd best RB behind Richardson, well before it was seemingly more of a consensus, no one listened to me???lolj/k.. But ya, i also said he would rise into 1st rd considerations, and this was when he was perdicted by some as a 3rd rder... What i'm saying is, the kids mad good, and i'm glad people caught on.. He litteraly can do everything, including KR"s... As i've always said, hes the next in line of MJD/R.RICE, and teams are sick of letting those guys pass em by, only to wonder how they did, a couple yrs later..</p>


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Doug Martin is the guy i'm hoping for at pick 32, outside of Whitney Mercilus, whos another one i said would reach 1st rd months ago.. But, hes rised to far, and very doubtful he gets to us.. Those are my 2guys right there, Martin and Mercilus.. If i was a GM, those would be the 2guys i'd have realistaclly at the top of my board, and then i'd fill it out from there on...</p>

You def deserve your due on Doug Martin. You have been screaming him from mountain tops for months now, back when people were saying he is a 3rd rounder. I remember you saying he would rise similar to Ryan Mathews pre-draft rise.

I think you also got Fletcher Cox right too. He was always a top 5 DT, many are regarding him as the top DT in the draft now.

I have been saying for some time now that Chandler Jones was undervalued when people were saying he wasnt a 1st round talent. I also said a few months ago, when people thought he would be a top 15 pick, that Andre Branch was being overvalued. I still think he is a good player, but Brandon Thompson deserved more credit for Branch's production than people were recognizing. Another guy you and I both agreed on that analysts now seem to be coming around to our way of thinking is Stephen Gilmore. He might be the fastest riser in the draft of late.

Im also gonna take claim to 1 last guy who wasnt even on Mayocks top 100 who I said months ago was being greatly overvalued, and that is Markelle Martin. Many analysts in January had him as the top safety in the draft. I never saw it that way and have always said he looks to me like a 3rd round prospect. I have said repeatedly, Mark Barron aside, I do not much care for this safety class, particularly if you are talking about free safeties. It is a terrible FS class. Considering how much and how often teams tried to throw against OSU this year, coupled with just how bad OSU's pass defense was, I do not think Markelle made nearly enough plays.

Lastly, And I know im not alone on this 1 as many have said it with me, but I have been saying that Zach Brown was highly overrated and that those who want him as our 1st round pick are crazy.

1 thing that is clear to me seeing Mayock's list is he still values film over combine stars.

critters
04-24-2012, 04:38 PM
I think it's more about watching film then being swayed by public opinion. He has Don'ta Hightower as the #15 player... Most (not me!) have been saying he may drop out of the first round. He has Kendall Wright rated higher than anyone I have seen. Devon Still at 42 while most have him going first round. Dre Kirkpatrick as the 3rd best CB while most have him as clearly the 2nd. There are a few I question, like Poe, who I think isn't deserving of a first round pick and he may have jumped on the hype train for.


Ehh your point has a bit of a logic flaw though. This is not a mock, nor does a guy being rated 17th mean he is likely to be picked at 17. Similarly, because a guy is rated 20th does not make him a 1st rounder. Position, among other things, affects value. This top 100 by Mayock is purely a player ranking without regarding position or any other factors.

Ryan Tannehill is rated 19th on Mayocks board compared to Doug Martin at 17. Yet few actually believe Doug will go before Ryan.

David Wilson is the 33rd ranked player and yet it is unlikely he is selected before some of the guys all the way up to 50 simply based on position.

Furthermore, depth of class affects value too. If people know the DT class is extremely deep and they have a need at DT and OT they may pass on the DT until a later round simply because the OT class isnt as deep and they wont have an opportunity to fill that need in later rounds.




I didn't think a rating meant where they would be drafted. I'm implying I think his ranking of Still means he doesn't think he should be drafted in the first round, where most people are projecting him. He has 4 DTs ranked ahead of him. I understand team needs define where a player will go. With Tannehill, he has him as the 19th ranked player but has said he is a borderline first round, should be a 2nd round pick.

critters
04-24-2012, 04:41 PM
He's got Doug Martin at 17, but many mocks have him falling to the 2nd round. I'd love to have Martin at number 32. How come a couple months ago when i had said i believe Martin was the 2nd best RB behind Richardson, well before it was seemingly more of a consensus, no one listened to me???lolj/k.. But ya, i also said he would rise into 1st rd considerations, and this was when he was perdicted by some as a 3rd rder... What i'm saying is, the kids mad good, and i'm glad people caught on.. He litteraly can do everything, including KR"s... As i've always said, hes the next in line of MJD/R.RICE, and teams are sick of letting those guys pass em by, only to wonder how they did, a couple yrs later..</p>


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Doug Martin is the guy i'm hoping for at pick 32, outside of Whitney Mercilus, whos another one i said would reach 1st rd months ago.. But, hes rised to far, and very doubtful he gets to us.. Those are my 2guys right there, Martin and Mercilus.. If i was a GM, those would be the 2guys i'd have realistaclly at the top of my board, and then i'd fill it out from there on...</p>

You def deserve your due on Doug Martin. You have been screaming him from mountain tops for months now, back when people were saying he is a 3rd rounder. I remember you saying he would rise similar to Ryan Mathews pre-draft rise.

I think you also got Fletcher Cox right too. He was always a top 5 DT, many are regarding him as the top DT in the draft now.

I have been saying for some time now that Chandler Jones was undervalued when people were saying he wasnt a 1st round talent. I also said a few months ago, when people thought he would be a top 15 pick, that Andre Branch was being overvalued. I still think he is a good player, but Brandon Thompson deserved more credit for Branch's production than people were recognizing. Another guy you and I both agreed on that analysts now seem to be coming around to our way of thinking is Stephen Gilmore. He might be the fastest riser in the draft of late.

Im also gonna take claim to 1 last guy who wasnt even on Mayocks top 100 who I said months ago was being greatly overvalued, and that is Markelle Martin. Many analysts in January had him as the top safety in the draft. I never saw it that way and have always said he looks to me like a 3rd round prospect. I have said repeatedly, Mark Barron aside, I do not much care for this safety class, particularly if you are talking about free safeties. It is a terrible FS class. Considering how much and how often teams tried to throw against OSU this year, coupled with just how bad OSU's pass defense was, I do not think Markelle made nearly enough plays.

Lastly, And I know im not alone on this 1 as many have said it with me, but I have been saying that Zach Brown was highly overrated and that those who want him as our 1st round pick are crazy.

1 thing that is clear to me seeing Mayock's list is he still values film over combine stars.


Who said Martin was the top safety in this draft? So I know who to ignore. I have never heard anyone suggest anyone other than Mark Barron was the top safety in this draft. I agree though, down year for safeties.

JJC7301
04-24-2012, 11:20 PM
He's got Doug Martin at 17, but many mocks have him falling to the 2nd round. I'd love to have Martin at number 32. How come a couple months ago when i had said i believe Martin was the 2nd best RB behind Richardson, well before it was seemingly more of a consensus, no one listened to me???lol*j/k..*** But ya, i also said he would rise into 1st rd considerations, and this was when he was perdicted by some as a 3rd rder...* What i'm saying is, the kids mad good, and i'm glad people caught on.. He litteraly can do everything, including KR"s...** As i've always said, hes* the next in line of MJD/R.RICE, and teams are sick of letting those guys pass em by,* only to wonder how they did, a couple yrs later..</P>


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*Doug Martin is the guy i'm hoping for at pick 32, outside of Whitney Mercilus, whos another one i said would reach 1st rd months ago..* But, hes rised to far, and very doubtful he gets to us.. Those are my 2guys right there, Martin and Mercilus.. If i was a GM, those would be the 2guys i'd have realistaclly at the top of my board, and then i'd fill it out from there on...</P>
Yeah, I've been reading a lot of good reports on him recently. I didn't want a RB in the 1st, but he sounds like an all around excellent player with real leadership skills. Plus, we've lost a lot of depth on O this off-season, so I wouldn't mind taking a gem like this guy.

I'm sold. I think Mayock, and yourself, are right -- Martin is worthy of a top-half of the draft pick.

nycsportzfan
04-25-2012, 07:55 AM
He's got Doug Martin at 17, but many mocks have him falling to the 2nd round. I'd love to have Martin at number 32. How come a couple months ago when i had said i believe Martin was the 2nd best RB behind Richardson, well before it was seemingly more of a consensus, no one listened to me???lolj/k.. But ya, i also said he would rise into 1st rd considerations, and this was when he was perdicted by some as a 3rd rder... What i'm saying is, the kids mad good, and i'm glad people caught on.. He litteraly can do everything, including KR"s... As i've always said, hes the next in line of MJD/R.RICE, and teams are sick of letting those guys pass em by, only to wonder how they did, a couple yrs later..</P>


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Doug Martin is the guy i'm hoping for at pick 32, outside of Whitney Mercilus, whos another one i said would reach 1st rd months ago.. But, hes rised to far, and very doubtful he gets to us.. Those are my 2guys right there, Martin and Mercilus.. If i was a GM, those would be the 2guys i'd have realistaclly at the top of my board, and then i'd fill it out from there on...</P>




You def deserve your due on Doug Martin. You have been screaming him from mountain tops for months now, back when people were saying he is a 3rd rounder. I remember you saying he would rise similar to Ryan Mathews pre-draft rise.

I think you also got Fletcher Cox right too. He was always a top 5 DT, many are regarding him as the top DT in the draft now.

I have been saying for some time now that Chandler Jones was undervalued when people were saying he wasnt a 1st round talent. I also said a few months ago, when people thought he would be a top 15 pick, that Andre Branch was being overvalued. I still think he is a good player, but Brandon Thompson deserved more credit for Branch's production than people were recognizing. Another guy you and I both agreed on that analysts now seem to be coming around to our way of thinking is Stephen Gilmore. He might be the fastest riser in the draft of late.

Im also gonna take claim to 1 last guy who wasnt even on Mayocks top 100 who I said months ago was being greatly overvalued, and that is Markelle Martin. Many analysts in January had him as the top safety in the draft. I never saw it that way and have always said he looks to me like a 3rd round prospect. I have said repeatedly, Mark Barron aside, I do not much care for this safety class, particularly if you are talking about free safeties. It is a terrible FS class. Considering how much and how often teams tried to throw against OSU this year, coupled with just how bad OSU's pass defense was, I do not think Markelle made nearly enough plays.

Lastly, And I know im not alone on this 1 as many have said it with me, but I have been saying that Zach Brown was highly overrated and that those who want him as our 1st round pick are crazy.

1 thing that is clear to me seeing Mayock's list is he still values film over combine stars.
ya, you definetly were on chandler jones before most, as far as thinking he'd rise.. I'll take claim to Whitney Mercilus on the DE note.. I actually like Markelle Martin.. I like his speed/ability to lay the wood.. I could see him turning momentum with monster hits on sundays.. I like em more then i do Brandon Taylor... I would probably put martin 2nd, behind Harrison Smith in my S rankings.. </P>


As far as Zach Brown, i agree.. I've kinda always been Ho-Hum on him.. I like playmakers, and guys who have football instincts more then anything else, and also smarts... Zach Brown has one thing going for him, and thats elite athletic ability.. I didn't like the ILLINOIS LB last yr, that many on here did, and i spoke adamently about that before the draft, and i feel like Brown is similar, as hes kinda making his move based on Athletic Ability and Potential, and not enough on field plays...</P>