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jppmvp90
04-27-2012, 12:04 AM
ughhhhhhh

Axels15
04-27-2012, 12:05 AM
Not so sure of this one

Gmen2005
04-27-2012, 12:05 AM
I don't like this.

myles2424
04-27-2012, 12:05 AM
Lets go!!!

DemandedAce
04-27-2012, 12:05 AM
Solid player but shocking haha the fans there were so shocked and confused

julez
04-27-2012, 12:06 AM
LOVE IT

Harooni
04-27-2012, 12:06 AM
love it Tiki 2.0

fletch842
04-27-2012, 12:06 AM
personally, I liked Glenn here, but we certainly needed a back, and he fits the bill. Running back is one of the simplest positions to work in, especially if he understands pass protection. We could get immediate production here.

ralphpal
04-27-2012, 12:06 AM
Why dont you people like it? What are the reasons?
We needed a runningback . I really dont follow college but what are the reasons you people dont like this pick

jax5338
04-27-2012, 12:07 AM
love it Tiki 2.0



[;)]

sg92
04-27-2012, 12:07 AM
Better get a lineman or two in the next few rounds....

GiantSteps13
04-27-2012, 12:08 AM
Oh god, can you guys just trust Reese, I think he has earned it

RichGiants81
04-27-2012, 12:08 AM
Hope he is good but this really sucks in my opinion

giantsfan420
04-27-2012, 12:08 AM
i trust JR, the kid obviously can play.

but with S.Hill available, he was the Best Measureables Available. Fleener, Glenn,...

alright we're getting the run game going...wonder where L.Miller winds up.
and wonder how the WR's look in the 2nd.

Still shocked with the 9ers pick

gian_18778
04-27-2012, 12:08 AM
JR knows what he's doing. I trust this pick.

TheEnigma
04-27-2012, 12:08 AM
Why dont you people like it? What are the reasons?
We needed a runningback . I really dont follow college but what are the reasons you people dont like this pickMostly value really. He's a good kid and player but I think it was a reach IMO

hungrrrry
04-27-2012, 12:08 AM
I like the pick but I was hoping Martin made it to us...I think Miller mught have been better to grab but **** it...I am glad we went with a need pick.

Bing Crosby
04-27-2012, 12:09 AM
Oh god, can you guys just trust Reese, I think he has earned it

+1

RichGiants81
04-27-2012, 12:09 AM
Why dont you people like it? What are the reasons?
We needed a runningback . I really dont follow college but what are the reasons you people dont like this pick

Running back was the last thing we needed, Bradshaw Scott and ware would have been fine for this year

Dirt66
04-27-2012, 12:09 AM
Really????? With all of the teams dealing we sat back for this?

Zaggs
04-27-2012, 12:10 AM
Hill would have been a better pick with D Scott in the fold at back.

Axels15
04-27-2012, 12:10 AM
I think, if nothing else, this probably should put to bed the theory that Reese only picks BPA

I'm willing to go in with an open mind, but with Glenn and Hill there, I'm sure surprised

BlueBlooded1979
04-27-2012, 12:10 AM
Fumbler, poor in pass pro and cant run routes.

3rd round value and a RB at that. Hill, Still, Upshaw, Fleener all on the board still. All have more upside than this guy.

If this was the guy they coveted they should have traded back and avoided 1st round money and at least save money.

Tommy_Ribs
04-27-2012, 12:10 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.

bELIeve_in_Giants
04-27-2012, 12:10 AM
I remember when everyone hated the JPP pick. </P>

GiantRutgersFan
04-27-2012, 12:11 AM
I dont really know anything about this guy or college football fyi.

But I dont think a speedy back with fumbling issues is what we need at all, which is how ESPN portrayed him

DelawareGiants
04-27-2012, 12:11 AM
It's a head scratcher for me. The guy has fumble issues. He is the same type of running style as Bradshaw. I just don't know. He was on my list of guys I did not want. JR knows though- so we must trust. Makes me think he was going to take Doug Martin until the friggin Bucs traded up.

TuckYou
04-27-2012, 12:11 AM
Why dont you people like it? What are the reasons? We needed a runningback . I really dont follow college but what are the reasons you people dont like this pick</P>


Because it was a reach. And TB knew we wanted Martin and took him right out from our nose. This was not a BPA pick. No way. I dont like it. Its a passing league now. We just won a championship without a running game</P>


</P>

RoanokeFan
04-27-2012, 12:12 AM
love it Tiki 2.0



You just had to [;)]

gmen0820
04-27-2012, 12:12 AM
This kid can give us 200 carries his rookie year, and gives us a receiving element out of the backfield.

I wanted Upshaw, but I don't think this was a bad pick.

GiantWarfare
04-27-2012, 12:12 AM
damn I was way off....

thought we were gonna go Martin but then TB took him, then I was like "we're snagging Fleener"

but Wilson it is. Idk about this pick, but I'm not gonna badmouth the kid or Reese...

we'll see what happens

Tommy_Ribs
04-27-2012, 12:12 AM
Fumbler, poor in pass pro and cant run routes.

3rd round value and a RB at that. Hill, Still, Upshaw, Fleener all on the board still. All have more upside than this guy.

If this was the guy they coveted they should have traded back and avoided 1st round money and at least save money.

3rd round value according to who?

The best guy not working for an NFL Team, Mike Mayock, had him ranked as the 33rd best prospect. Not a reach at all. I'll trust Mayock and Reese, they have both earned it.

Mayocks top 100: <a href="http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics">http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics
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Redeyejedi
04-27-2012, 12:12 AM
I have 3 vids of Wilson will get some more up tomorrow </P>


</P>


David Wilson vs Virginia</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpNB4ZzTLBk&amp;feature=plcp</P>


</P>


Vs Clenson</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXCcr6FN-SM&amp;feature=plcp</P>


</P>


vs WF</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvtU3ELVStE&amp;feature=plcp</P>

egyptian420
04-27-2012, 12:12 AM
Well he can certainly receive, how is he in pass protection?

NYG55nwo
04-27-2012, 12:14 AM
i trust reese but there were better values avaliable.

nYg24
04-27-2012, 12:14 AM
Don't know much about him but from what i've seen he didn't look like anything special but we'll see. I trust the front office knows what their doing. Definitely a need pick though.

egyptian420
04-27-2012, 12:15 AM
Why dont you people like it? What are the reasons? We needed a runningback . I really dont follow college but what are the reasons you people dont like this pick</p>


Because it was a reach. And TB knew we wanted Martin and took him right out from our nose. This was not a BPA pick. No way. I dont like it. Its a passing league now. We just won a championship without a running game</p>


</p>
He actually adds a passing threat, that's what I love about this pick.

FBomb
04-27-2012, 12:15 AM
Kid was also a return specialist....something we needed,</P>


But you guys know better so I'm going to beat the rush and go ahead and call this pick a bust.[:)]</P>

GMENAGAIN
04-27-2012, 12:15 AM
Hope he is good but this really sucks in my opinion</P>


In my opinion, you are an idiot</P>

GMENAGAIN
04-27-2012, 12:16 AM
I will never doubt Morehead again.

Drez
04-27-2012, 12:16 AM
I have 3 vids of Wilson will get some more up tomorrow </p>


</p>


David Wilson vs Virginia</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpNB4ZzTLBk&amp;feature=plcp</p>


</p>


Vs Clenson</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXCcr6FN-SM&amp;feature=plcp</p>


</p>


vs WF</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvtU3ELVStE&amp;feature=plcp</p>
I trust your opinion, Redeye. What do you think of the pick? I've gotta say, I really couldn't get myself into this draft like years past, so I don't know much about this kid.

RoanokeFan
04-27-2012, 12:16 AM
Why dont you people like it? What are the reasons?
We needed a runningback . I really dont follow college but what are the reasons you people dont like this pick

Running back was the last thing we needed, Bradshaw Scott and ware would have been fine for this year

I have to disagree. Bradshaw needs a back up with Jacobs gone. We don't yet know that Scott is the man so now we have some competition and it could be that Wilson will fill that role when all is said and done.

I don't know how any fan of the GIANTS can question Reese at this point.

JMFP2
04-27-2012, 12:16 AM
I like this pick alot.....5-9 and 206 with 4.49 speed.....this dude is going to be beyond the line of scrimmage and low to the ground.</P>


Great pick.....nice job Reese &amp; Ross !!!!</P>

GMENAGAIN
04-27-2012, 12:16 AM
i trust reese but there were better values avaliable.</P>


Like who?</P>

JMFP2
04-27-2012, 12:17 AM
Well he can certainly receive, how is he in pass protection?
</P>


I want him with the ball.</P>

TheEnigma
04-27-2012, 12:17 AM
We'll have to see what happens in round 2 and round 3 though before we can call this a reach. I think Fleener, Glenn, and Worthy were better available players but we shall see.

gumby742
04-27-2012, 12:18 AM
How can you annoyed with this pick if you wanted another RB in Martin? I doubt the dropoff between martin and wilson is that huge.

I'm annoyed at least because i wanted some one from the oline.

But hey, in Reese I trust.

RoanokeFan
04-27-2012, 12:19 AM
Kid was also a return specialist....something we needed,</p>


But you guys know better so I'm going to beat the rush and go ahead and call this pick a bust.[:)]</p>

[B] We are very lucky to have so many fans with professional scouting experience

GIANTfaninFL
04-27-2012, 12:20 AM
Eh, we'll see how it goes.

FBomb
04-27-2012, 12:21 AM
Kid was also a return specialist....something we needed,</P>


But you guys know better so I'm going to beat the rush and go ahead and call this pick a bust.[:)]</P>




[B] We are very lucky to have so many fans with professional scouting experience
</P>


Honestly...I don't know why they don't just let the board make all the picks.</P>

jjj45
04-27-2012, 12:21 AM
I remember when everyone hated the JPP pick. </p>Exactly, people think they are experts cuz they follow the draft a lot.

This is a great pick. With BJ gone we need a RB. This dude fits the bill.

jjj45
04-27-2012, 12:22 AM
Kid was also a return specialist....something we needed,</p>


But you guys know better so I'm going to beat the rush and go ahead and call this pick a bust.[:)]</p>

[B] We are very lucky to have so many fans with professional scouting experience
I think this should be in red.

XxBigWhitxX
04-27-2012, 12:22 AM
I remember when everyone hated the JPP pick.* </P>But that was a Defensive end with size, power, and speed. all we got was a small scat back with ok receiving ability and small stature.

Zaggs
04-27-2012, 12:22 AM
I remember when everyone hated the JPP pick. </p>Exactly, people think they are experts cuz they follow the draft a lot.

This is a great pick. With BJ gone we need a RB. This dude fits the bill.







And neither DJ Ware nor Da'rel Scott are running backs?

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 12:24 AM
I think, if nothing else, this probably should put to bed the theory that Reese only picks BPA I'm willing to go in with an open mind, but with Glenn and Hill there, I'm sure surprised</P>


I've been saying this all week. The entire notion that JR is a "BPA purist" is a myth.</P>


I love the pick because they obviously think he's special, as do I. You gotta get that guy if thats theie view.</P>

THE_New_York_Giants
04-27-2012, 12:24 AM
Kid was also a return specialist....something we needed,</p>


But you guys know better so I'm going to beat the rush and go ahead and call this pick a bust.[:)]</p>

[B]* We are very lucky to have so many fans with professional scouting experience
I think this should be in red.


I said about a month ago that I would have drafted a kick returner in the first round if one dropped to me. Wilson will be good. I think the Giants will also get Glenn via trade up. But that's just me.

jjj45
04-27-2012, 12:24 AM
I remember when everyone hated the JPP pick. </p>Exactly, people think they are experts cuz they follow the draft a lot.

This is a great pick. With BJ gone we need a RB. This dude fits the bill.







And neither DJ Ware nor Da'rel Scott are running backs?
Are they as good as Wilson? Doubt it.

THE_New_York_Giants
04-27-2012, 12:25 AM
I remember when everyone hated the JPP pick.* </p>Exactly, people think they are experts cuz they follow the draft a lot.

This is a great pick. With BJ gone we need a RB. This dude fits the bill.







And neither DJ Ware nor Da'rel Scott are running backs?

Ware sucks. Scott isn't that great either.

ShakeNBake
04-27-2012, 12:25 AM
I remember when everyone hated the JPP pick. </p>Exactly, people think they are experts cuz they follow the draft a lot.

This is a great pick. With BJ gone we need a RB. This dude fits the bill.







And neither DJ Ware nor Da'rel Scott are running backs?


Ware is mediocre at best and Scott is still unproven. Good thing we have TC, hopefully he can fix Scott's and Wilsons fumbling issues.

PIERCEnumber58rules
04-27-2012, 12:25 AM
Why dont you people like it? What are the reasons?
We needed a runningback . I really dont follow college but what are the reasons you people dont like this pick

Running back was the last thing we needed, Bradshaw Scott and ware would have been fine for this year

I have to disagree.* Bradshaw needs a back up with Jacobs gone.* We don't yet know that Scott is the man so now we have some competition and it could be that Wilson will fill that role when all is said and done.

I don't know how any fan of the GIANTS can question Reese at this point.


"Could" fill that role? Wilson better fill that role since he's our first round pick! I still like Da'rel Scott, but whatever. I hope he comes in and tears it up.

Spizi
04-27-2012, 12:25 AM
the only way I'll be angry about this pick is if Miller is there in round 2

Axels15
04-27-2012, 12:26 AM
Mayock likes it, so I like it too


Mayock's take: "People talk about how quick and fast Wilson is, but he's so explosive north and south. He doesn't just try to make you miss laterally. This is a football player. And if you go to New York to play for Tom Coughlin, you better be nothing less. Great pick by the Giants."

GIANTfaninFL
04-27-2012, 12:26 AM
Running backs are a dime a dozen and can be picked up in later rounds...

I think picking a RB in the first is pretty lame....

Spizi
04-27-2012, 12:27 AM
Running backs are a dime a dozen and can be picked up in later rounds...

I think picking a RB in the first is pretty lame....

dude you can say that about any position. Brady was a 7th rounder... Peyton was a 1st.

Zaggs
04-27-2012, 12:27 AM
I remember when everyone hated the JPP pick. </p>Exactly, people think they are experts cuz they follow the draft a lot.

This is a great pick. With BJ gone we need a RB. This dude fits the bill.







And neither DJ Ware nor Da'rel Scott are running backs?
Are they as good as Wilson? Doubt it.


But which is the bigger drop off? Bradshaw to Scott or Ware or Cruz to Barden or Jernigan? To me its at receiver.
Scott hasn't been given a chance to show what he can do and with the Wilson pick Reese has written him off barring injury. But we've seen Barden, dude can't even crack the top 3 if everyone is healthy. Jernigan would have been cut if he wasn't such a high draft pick.

jjj45
04-27-2012, 12:28 AM
Running backs are a dime a dozen and can be picked up in later rounds...

I think picking a RB in the first is pretty lame....Its the 32nd pick. I mean a lot of you guys act like we were picking in the teens. Take what JR has given us and quit complaining. There are other rounds.

RichGiants81
04-27-2012, 12:29 AM
Hope he is good but this really sucks in my opinion</P>


In my opinion, you are an idiot</P>

Thanks for that guy, you must be a 15 year old kid. No adult would post a response like that to a fellow giants fan sharing their opinion on a message board. Im that "idiot" that called wfan after the home loss to the skins in 07 and predicted that the giants would win a super bowl with Eli and coughlin when nobody thought it would ever happen. The team was due for a bad first
Pick. You wasn't find a nicks or a jpp every year

GMAN8625
04-27-2012, 12:29 AM
I think, if nothing else, this probably should put to bed the theory that Reese only picks BPA I'm willing to go in with an open mind, but with Glenn and Hill there, I'm sure surprised</p>


I've been saying this all week. The entire notion that JR is a "BPA purist" is a myth.</p>


I love the pick because they obviously think he's special, as do I. You gotta get that guy if thats theie view.</p>

Can you really say that Reese and Ross didn't think he was the best player available? You got access to the NYG draft board?

Redeyejedi
04-27-2012, 12:31 AM
I have 3 vids of Wilson will get some more up tomorrow </p>


*</p>


David Wilson vs Virginia</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpNB4ZzTLBk&feature=plcp</p>


*</p>


Vs Clenson</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXCcr6FN-SM&feature=plcp</p>


*</p>


vs WF</p>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvtU3ELVStE&feature=plcp</p>
I trust your opinion, Redeye. What do you think of the pick? I've gotta say, I really couldn't get myself into this draft like years past, so I don't know much about this kid.

3rd Best RB in the draft. Personally I think better players were on the board but RB was a huge need. I dont think the Giants wanted to make this pick at 32 they were trying to trade back and couldnt get the deal they wanted.Is David Wilson a great player?yes. Does David Wilson fill an immediate need? Yes. Will Wilson help the Giant in a repeat effort? yes. However better players at more valuable positions were on the board

RichGiants81
04-27-2012, 12:31 AM
Why dont you people like it? What are the reasons?
We needed a runningback . I really dont follow college but what are the reasons you people dont like this pick

Running back was the last thing we needed, Bradshaw Scott and ware would have been fine for this year

I have to disagree.* Bradshaw needs a back up with Jacobs gone.* We don't yet know that Scott is the man so now we have some competition and it could be that Wilson will fill that role when all is said and done.

I don't know how any fan of the GIANTS can question Reese at this point.



I respect you're ideas because I
Have seen a lot of intelligent posts from you. But you don't think they could have found a RB in the third round to compete with Scott? I personally think scott is gonna be the next breakout star on the team but even if he isn't. I felt like linebacker and o line were more important for the first pick.

NewYorkSwagg
04-27-2012, 12:33 AM
People talking about best player available he was not NOT the best player on the board UGHHHHHHHH this SUCKS. Hope tomorrow will be a better day I have a headache now goodnight everyone.

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 12:34 AM
Running backs are a dime a dozen and can be picked up in later rounds... I think picking a RB in the first is pretty lame....</P>


Ray Rice, MJD and Adrian Peterson are a dime a dozen?</P>


I don;t think so. </P>


Average backs are a dime a dozen. Great backs are game changers. This kid has a chance to be great.</P>

Drez
04-27-2012, 12:35 AM
I think, if nothing else, this probably should put to bed the theory that Reese only picks BPA I'm willing to go in with an open mind, but with Glenn and Hill there, I'm sure surprised</p>


I've been saying this all week. The entire notion that JR is a "BPA purist" is a myth.</p>


I love the pick because they obviously think he's special, as do I. You gotta get that guy if thats theie view.</p>

Can you really say that Reese and Ross didn't think he was the best player available? You got access to the NYG draft board?

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pino
04-27-2012, 12:35 AM
I like the pick. They obviously see something in this kid. AB is tough but he's been taking a beating. Now we have one more RB to compete and add depth to that position. I'm excited to see how this plays out in camp and find out who replaces BJ. And remember injuries (knock on wood) happen a lot at RB.

Zaggs
04-27-2012, 12:35 AM
Running backs are a dime a dozen and can be picked up in later rounds... I think picking a RB in the first is pretty lame....</p>


Ray Rice, MJD and Adrian Peterson are a dime a dozen?</p>


I don;t think so. </p>


Average backs are a dime a dozen. Great backs are game changers. This kid has a chance to be great.</p>

You realize that Rice and MJD were 2nd round picks right?

GMENAGAIN
04-27-2012, 12:35 AM
Hope he is good but this really sucks in my opinion</P>


In my opinion, you are an idiot</P>


Thanks for that guy, you must be a 15 year old kid. No adult would post a response like that to a fellow giants fan sharing their opinion on a message board. <FONT size=4>Im that "idiot" that called wfan after the home loss to the skins in 07 and predicted that the giants would win a super bowl with Eli and coughlin when nobody thought it would ever happen. </FONT>The team was due for a bad first Pick. You wasn't find a nicks or a jpp every year</P>


I call BS.</P>


Sorry that you consider my response to your "this really sucks" post to be childish . . . . . </P>

RichGiants81
04-27-2012, 12:36 AM
Running backs are a dime a dozen and can be picked up in later rounds...

I think picking a RB in the first is pretty lame....

That's exactly what I'm saying and people think I'm acting Iike an ignorant hater, Bradshaw was a 7th rounder. I felt like we had other issues that should have been addressed prior to the RB situstion

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 12:36 AM
I think, if nothing else, this probably should put to bed the theory that Reese only picks BPA I'm willing to go in with an open mind, but with Glenn and Hill there, I'm sure surprised</P>


I've been saying this all week. The entire notion that JR is a "BPA purist" is a myth.</P>


I love the pick because they obviously think he's special, as do I. You gotta get that guy if thats theie view.</P>




Can you really say that Reese and Ross didn't think he was the best player available? You got access to the NYG draft board?
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No. I think he was the best player that served a desperate need of ours. Our running game was a nightmare last year. </P>


Just like Nicks was the best player that served a need along with KP and Aaron Ross.</P>

Drez
04-27-2012, 12:36 AM
Running backs are a dime a dozen and can be picked up in later rounds... I think picking a RB in the first is pretty lame....</p>


Ray Rice, MJD and Adrian Peterson are a dime a dozen?</p>


I don;t think so. </p>


Average backs are a dime a dozen. Great backs are game changers. This kid has a chance to be great.</p>

You realize that Rice and MJD were 2nd round picks right?

Isn't the 32nd pick essentially a 2nd rounder?

lawl
04-27-2012, 12:37 AM
Worst thing I've ever seen Reese do.

plaxattack17
04-27-2012, 12:37 AM
This is a position of need. Trust me if Reese felt there was any significant drop off from Martin to Wilson, i'm sure he would have traded up. I do have slight concerns about his frame and whether his style will lead to fumble issues; but what we know about JR is he loves his top athletes, this guy is another athlete he's crazy fast and can help in various ways offensively. I'm delighted we addressed a position of need so soon. I don't see why we shouldn't think this is a good pick.

pino
04-27-2012, 12:39 AM
I think, if nothing else, this probably should put to bed the theory that Reese only picks BPA I'm willing to go in with an open mind, but with Glenn and Hill there, I'm sure surprised</p>


I've been saying this all week.* The entire notion that JR is a "BPA purist" is a myth.</p>


I love the pick because they obviously think he's special, as do I.* You gotta get that guy if thats theie view.</p>

Can you really say that Reese and Ross didn't think he was the best player available?* You got access to the NYG draft board?

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The first being Trent Richardson?

bflo23
04-27-2012, 12:39 AM
Complainers should look at the youtube highlight video. Jaw dropping talent....

4.3 in a 40 yard dash speed.... Looks faster in the video.

Power, great cut ability, 41 inch vertical, 206 pounds and he put up 1700 rushing yards. Don't worry about what draft "experts" ranked him in the draft.

Drez
04-27-2012, 12:39 AM
I think, if nothing else, this probably should put to bed the theory that Reese only picks BPA I'm willing to go in with an open mind, but with Glenn and Hill there, I'm sure surprised</p>


I've been saying this all week. The entire notion that JR is a "BPA purist" is a myth.</p>


I love the pick because they obviously think he's special, as do I. You gotta get that guy if thats theie view.</p>

Can you really say that Reese and Ross didn't think he was the best player available? You got access to the NYG draft board?

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The first being Trent Richardson?
I would assume.

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 12:40 AM
Running backs are a dime a dozen and can be picked up in later rounds... I think picking a RB in the first is pretty lame....</P>


Ray Rice, MJD and Adrian Peterson are a dime a dozen?</P>


I don;t think so. </P>


Average backs are a dime a dozen. Great backs are game changers. This kid has a chance to be great.</P>




You realize that Rice and MJD were 2nd round picks right?
</P>


They picked those guys because they thought they had a chance to be special. thats undoubtedly the same criteria for JR here.</P>


I love you guys. All of the sudden after 2 SB championships, JR is some kind of idiot who should have listened to us posters. All because of this pick. I was dead set against Fleener, but if he was the pick I would have trusted the guy who built our team.</P>


Some of you guys are acting like jilted 16 year old girls.</P>

Zaggs
04-27-2012, 12:40 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point. Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board. Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd. He's still on the board. Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.

Axels15
04-27-2012, 12:40 AM
I watched the highlights. A lot looked pretty good, though he has a tendency to try and turn to the other side of the field, which can be worry. I dont like losing yards

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 12:41 AM
Worst thing I've ever seen Reese do.</P>


You've taken "what have you done for me lately" to new levels. (Or depths)</P>


Dissapointed in you Lawl.</P>

lawl
04-27-2012, 12:43 AM
Worst thing I've ever seen Reese do.</P>


You've taken "what have you done for me lately" to new levels. (Or depths)</P>


Dissapointed in you Lawl.</P>


</P>


Investing in a top flight rb is a waste.</P>


I'm shocked Reese would do this.</P>

RichGiants81
04-27-2012, 12:43 AM
Hope he is good but this really sucks in my opinion</P>


In my opinion, you are an idiot</P>


Thanks for that guy, you must be a 15 year old kid. No adult would post a response like that to a fellow giants fan sharing their opinion on a message board. <FONT size=4>Im that "idiot" that called wfan after the home loss to the skins in 07 and predicted that the giants would win a super bowl with Eli and coughlin when nobody thought it would ever happen. </FONT>The team was due for a bad first Pick. You wasn't find a nicks or a jpp every year</P>


I call BS.</P>


Sorry that you consider my response to your "this really sucks" post to be childish . . . . . </P>


It's ok. But why call bs? You really think I would fabricate an antidote like that to impress you? I spoke to mark malouses on the fan that night after the game when everyone was screaming for coughlins job. After people left and seats opened up in the lowers. People were flocking to the empty seats behind the giants bench so they could heckle Eli. It got so bad that Dave deihl went and put his arm sound Eli. As a real giants fan, I felt obligated to call in that night and stick up for my team. After predicting a super bowl during the Eli/ coughlin era. Mark accused me of being drunk and delusional and hung up on me. I'm sure plenty of people on this board heard the call

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 12:47 AM
Worst thing I've ever seen Reese do.</P>


You've taken "what have you done for me lately" to new levels. (Or depths)</P>


Dissapointed in you Lawl.</P>


</P>


Investing in a top flight rb is a waste.</P>


I'm shocked Reese would do this.</P>


</P>


He knows what he's doing. This kid has a great chance to be a really good player. He's a prospect like all of them, but he has great talent.</P>

ralphpal
04-27-2012, 12:47 AM
He might also retuen kicks . Just think what our offernse could do if we gained more than 2 yrds on punt returns and kicks

GMENAGAIN
04-27-2012, 12:47 AM
Worst thing I've ever seen Reese do.</P>


You've taken "what have you done for me lately" to new levels. (Or depths)</P>


Dissapointed in you Lawl.</P>


</P>


Investing in a top flight rb is a waste.</P>


I'm shocked Reese would do this.</P>


</P>


Investing what? Basically a 2nd round pick and a 4 year 6M contract?</P>


Who did you want to take there?</P>

pino
04-27-2012, 12:48 AM
I think, if nothing else, this probably should put to bed the theory that Reese only picks BPA I'm willing to go in with an open mind, but with Glenn and Hill there, I'm sure surprised</p>


I've been saying this all week.* The entire notion that JR is a "BPA purist" is a myth.</p>


I love the pick because they obviously think he's special, as do I.* You gotta get that guy if thats theie view.</p>

Can you really say that Reese and Ross didn't think he was the best player available?* You got access to the NYG draft board?

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The first being Trent Richardson?
I would assume.


Yeah haha. I guess that's an obvious answer. I think what I wanted to say was that is exactly what I was hoping to hear from JR. I like the pick even more now.

jjj45
04-27-2012, 12:48 AM
Worst thing I've ever seen Reese do.</p>


You've taken "what have you done for me lately" to new levels. (Or depths)</p>


Dissapointed in you Lawl.</p>


</p>


Investing in a top flight rb is a waste.</p>


I'm shocked Reese would do this.</p>Posters still questioning Reese?

When you think you've seen it all....

TheEnigma
04-27-2012, 12:49 AM
To be fair, doesn't Lawl hate anything to do with RB's? I'm not trying to slam you dude but you seem like the kind of guy who would of been upset if we got Richardson at 32.

The Notorious B.I.G BLUE
04-27-2012, 12:49 AM
From what I see the kid is fast as hell. Not just fast but quick!

However he doesn't seem to get much yards unless there is a decent hole (which with our o-line scares me a bit). Also he doesn't seem to be great at running between the tackles.

His pass blocking seems really poor but I'm sure they can coach him up.

I'm not impressed by catching ability. He seems to lose momentum and stop to make weird looking catches. This could be due to the QB aswell.

Look at this point I will reserve my judgement. I'm not a GM. Unlike some I can say I hated the JPP pick. I didn't come on here and bash Reese. I just didn't like the boom or bust tag and his inexperience. This is why I don't get paid to make personnel decisions.

Tommy_Ribs
04-27-2012, 12:49 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point. Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board. Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd. He's still on the board. Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.


LOL, Fallacy?

We had the 32nd pick, and we used it on a guy ranked 33rd by an extremely respected draft expert.

So I think that this shows, using Mayock's ratings, the GIANTS did not reach on Wilson. He was picked where he was rated. he was not rated as a 3rd rounder. He was the 33rd ranked guy.

And by the way, I would have preferred Upsahw, Martin from Stanford or Cordy Glenn. But I trust Reese, and Mayock.

Mayock knows what he is talking about, and Reese knows what he is doing. It looks like a good pick - we'll see.

THE_New_York_Giants
04-27-2012, 12:50 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point.* Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board.* Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd.* He's still on the board.* Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.

There's a reason Mayock is an analyst and not a GM...

Zaggs
04-27-2012, 12:50 AM
Running backs are a dime a dozen and can be picked up in later rounds... I think picking a RB in the first is pretty lame....</p>


Ray Rice, MJD and Adrian Peterson are a dime a dozen?</p>


I don;t think so. </p>


Average backs are a dime a dozen. Great backs are game changers. This kid has a chance to be great.</p>




You realize that Rice and MJD were 2nd round picks right?
</p>


They picked those guys because they thought they had a chance to be special. thats undoubtedly the same criteria for JR here.</p>


I love you guys. All of the sudden after 2 SB championships, JR is some kind of idiot who should have listened to us posters. All because of this pick. I was dead set against Fleener, but if he was the pick I would have trusted the guy who built our team.</p>


Some of you guys are acting like jilted 16 year old girls.</p>

So JR is not responsible for the offensive line? Have you not looked at his draft history? The Giants have about half the players he has drafted still on the team. Reese does well in the early rounds, but not so great in the later round. Heck half of his 2010 draft class are gone.
Also you're giving Reese credit for both Super Bowls? Accorsi retired earlier in that year. Reese's impact was not complete.

Zaggs
04-27-2012, 12:51 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point. Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board. Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd. He's still on the board. Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.


LOL, Fallacy?

We had the 32nd pick, and we used it on a guy ranked 33rd by an extremely respected draft expert.

So I think that this shows, using Mayock's ratings, the GIANTS did not reach on Wilson. He was picked where he was rated. he was not rated as a 3rd rounder. He was the 33rd ranked guy.


But he was also not a value nor solid pick.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 12:51 AM
To show the fallacy of this point.* Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board.* Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd.* He's still on the board.* Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.


Teams do not have every player in their draft on their board. In fact they cut out MOST players. Wouldnt surprise me at all what so ever if Glenn was not on the giants board. He does not fit what they look for.

So if you are arguing about taking Mayocks 33rd rated player instead of his 32nd rated player I would say that is a complete non issue

lawl
04-27-2012, 12:52 AM
Worst thing I've ever seen Reese do.</P>


You've taken "what have you done for me lately" to new levels. (Or depths)</P>


Dissapointed in you Lawl.</P>


</P>


Investing in a top flight rb is a waste.</P>


I'm shocked Reese would do this.</P>


</P>


Investing what? Basically a 2nd round pick and a 4 year 6M contract?</P>


Who did you want to take there?</P>


A first round pick is a first round pick. Is the 33rd pick basically a first round pick? I don't like this common usage. I fear his second contract More than his first. Any ot,, massie or Martin. Any dl, branch worthy etc. these type players are what Jr usually invests in. </P>


HIghly valued positions deserve our greatest investments, year in and year out.</P>

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 12:53 AM
But he was also not a value nor solid pick.


Even going by Mayocks draft board you could argue he was the BPA where they picked.

What more value is there than that?

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 12:53 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point. Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board. Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd. He's still on the board. Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.
There's a reason Mayock is an analyst and not a GM...</P>


there is also a reason we're MB posters and JR <U>IS</U> a GM.</P>


(Actually a 2 time SB winning GM)</P>

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 12:53 AM
But he was also not a value nor solid pick.
Even going by Mayocks draft board you could argue he was the BPA where they picked. What more value is there than that?</P>


What do you think of the pick Slip?</P>

jjj45
04-27-2012, 12:55 AM
there is also a reason we're MB posters and JR <u>IS</u> a GM.

(actually a <u>2</u> time SB winning GM)Exactly. People take themselves way to seriously here.

lawl
04-27-2012, 12:56 AM
To be fair, doesn't Lawl hate anything to do with RB's? I'm not trying to slam you dude but you seem like the kind of guy who would of been upset if we got Richardson at 32.</P>


Yup.</P>

GMENAGAIN
04-27-2012, 12:56 AM
Worst thing I've ever seen Reese do.</P>


You've taken "what have you done for me lately" to new levels. (Or depths)</P>


Dissapointed in you Lawl.</P>


</P>


Investing in a top flight rb is a waste.</P>


I'm shocked Reese would do this.</P>


</P>


Investing what? Basically a 2nd round pick and a 4 year 6M contract?</P>


Who did you want to take there?</P>


A first round pick is a first round pick. Is the 33rd pick basically a first round pick? I don't like this common usage. I fear his second contract More than his first. Any ot,, massie or Martin. Any dl, branch worthy etc. these type players are what Jr usually invests in. </P>


HIghly valued positions deserve our greatest investments, year in and year out.</P>


</P>


If he demands a big second contract after 4 years (he'll be 25 or so I guess), wouldn't that mean that he played great for the first 4 years? I don't get it . . . .</P>

Drez
04-27-2012, 12:57 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point. Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board. Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd. He's still on the board. Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.

And how do you know how far apart 25 and 33 really are? The difference could really be negligible.

But, the whole JR only drafts BPA is a myth anyway.

Zaggs
04-27-2012, 12:57 AM
But he was also not a value nor solid pick.


Even going by Mayocks draft board you could argue he was the BPA where they picked.

What more value is there than that?

If you go by Mayocks board, there were players ranked higher than Wilson. So he was neither the BPA nor a value pick. In fact if he's 33rd and drafted 32nd you lose a tad bit of value.

G-Men Surg.
04-27-2012, 12:57 AM
Worst thing I've ever seen Reese do.

He is an impact player, great leader, strong minded, hard worker, lots of production, special teams value, above average in pass protection, excellent pass catching RB and he is freaking 20 years old. This has Reese and TC stamp on it. I have to agree I didn't see it coming but I LOVE IT! He's going to excel playing in here.

Zaggs
04-27-2012, 12:59 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point. Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board. Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd. He's still on the board. Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.

And how do you know how far apart 25 and 33 really are? The difference could really be negligible.

But, the whole JR only drafts BPA is a myth anyway.


3 points worth of ranking going by NFL.com. I mean who are the starting tackles? Locklear and Diehl? Anyone overly confident in that pairing?

Axels15
04-27-2012, 12:59 AM
Ok, I've watched some clips, and I've decided I like the pick for the following reasons:

1. I trust in Reese

2. This kid is FAST. Like, wow fast

3. Man, you should see this kid on returns

4. He looks to be a very talented running back in the style of Ahmad Bradshaw, even Chris Johnson.

The deal is, yes, you can find guys in later rounds, like Bradshaw, but obviously, if that happened all the time, people wouldn't ever pick RBs in the first.

The kid looks good, and I'm throwing my support behind him.

All In!

Axels15
04-27-2012, 12:59 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point.* Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board.* Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd.* He's still on the board.* Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.

And how do you know how far apart 25 and 33 really are? The difference could really be negligible.

But, the whole JR only drafts BPA is a myth anyway.


3 points worth of ranking going by NFL.com.* I mean who are the starting tackles?* Locklear and Diehl?* Anyone overly confident in that pairing?


Beatty, dude?

TheEnigma
04-27-2012, 01:00 AM
To be fair, doesn't Lawl hate anything to do with RB's? I'm not trying to slam you dude but you seem like the kind of guy who would of been upset if we got Richardson at 32.</P>


Yup.</P>There we go then folks. No point in arguing since Lawl won't be convinced otherwise. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Axels15
04-27-2012, 01:00 AM
But he was also not a value nor solid pick.


Even going by Mayocks draft board you could argue he was the BPA where they picked.

What more value is there than that?

If you go by Mayocks board, there were players ranked higher than Wilson.* So he was neither the BPA nor a value pick.* In fact if he's 33rd and drafted 32nd you lose a tad bit of value.*


I love Mayock, but there's a reason he's not the one drafting the players

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 01:03 AM
What do you think of the pick Slip?</P>

I thought looking at who was available and it just looked like there were a bunch of guys rated about the same. So I dont find it surprising they took Wilson, I could see him being the BPA there.

If you want me to come up with a scouting report on him I can put one together, honestly I hated watching him on film. Find option/spread offense backs really hard to evaluate. I want to see NFL style runs.

GMENAGAIN
04-27-2012, 01:03 AM
But he was also not a value nor solid pick.
Even going by Mayocks draft board you could argue he was the BPA where they picked. What more value is there than that?

If you go by Mayocks board, there were players ranked higher than Wilson. So he was neither the BPA nor a value pick. <FONT size=4>In fact if he's 33rd and drafted 32nd you lose a tad bit of value.
</FONT></P>


</P>


One of the all-time dumbest MB statements . . . . and that's saying a lot.</P>

Zaggs
04-27-2012, 01:03 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point. Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board. Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd. He's still on the board. Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.

And how do you know how far apart 25 and 33 really are? The difference could really be negligible.

But, the whole JR only drafts BPA is a myth anyway.


3 points worth of ranking going by NFL.com. I mean who are the starting tackles? Locklear and Diehl? Anyone overly confident in that pairing?


Beatty, dude?

Oh yeah, forgot about the all pro Beatty (no, not really).

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 01:03 AM
But he was also not a value nor solid pick.
Even going by Mayocks draft board you could argue he was the BPA where they picked. What more value is there than that?

If you go by Mayocks board, there were players ranked higher than Wilson. So he was neither the BPA nor a value pick. In fact if he's 33rd and drafted 32nd you lose a tad bit of value.
I love Mayock, but there's a reason he's not the one drafting the players</P>


There's a reason JR is.</P>

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 01:04 AM
If you go by Mayocks board, there were players ranked higher than Wilson.* So he was neither the BPA nor a value pick.* In fact if he's 33rd and drafted 32nd you lose a tad bit of value.*


He had a couple guys rated about the same, only one that was significantly higher was Glenn, who I honestly think the giants did not like at all.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 01:05 AM
.* I mean who are the starting tackles?* Locklear and Diehl?* Anyone overly confident in that pairing?


You saw a starting OT at 32? I didnt.

BlueSanta
04-27-2012, 01:07 AM
But he was also not a value nor solid pick.


Even going by Mayocks draft board you could argue he was the BPA where they picked.

What more value is there than that?

If you go by Mayocks board, there were players ranked higher than Wilson. So he was neither the BPA nor a value pick. In fact if he's 33rd and drafted 32nd you lose a tad bit of value.


Mayocks board has no bearing on our team.

And FYI, on Kiper's board LaMichael James was the 2nd rated RB.

Reese and company are the only 1nes who's opinion matters.

lawl
04-27-2012, 01:08 AM
Worst thing I've ever seen Reese do.</P>


You've taken "what have you done for me lately" to new levels.* (Or depths)</P>


Dissapointed in you Lawl.</P>


</P>


Investing in a top flight rb is a waste.</P>


I'm shocked Reese would do this.</P>


</P>


Investing what?* Basically a 2nd round pick and a 4 year 6M contract?</P>


Who did you want to take there?</P>


A first round pick is a first round pick. Is the 33rd pick basically a first round pick? I don't like this common usage. I fear his second contract More than his first. Any ot,, massie or Martin. Any dl, branch worthy etc. these type players are what Jr usually invests in. </P>


HIghly valued positions deserve our greatest investments, year in and year out.</P>


</P>


If he demands a big second contract after 4 years (he'll be 25 or so I guess), wouldn't that mean that he played great for the first 4 years?* I don't get it . . . .</P>

Because the difference in potential impact of a late first round back compared to a mid round back is much smaller than that of more important positions, like dl ot and wr.

Him playing well doesn't matter because his impact isn't as big of a gap when compared to a mid round Guy's impact when compared to other positions.

Its a percentage play.

then when he does play good, which I expect him to do. Then our hand will be forced to give him a big contact and then chances are he'll get hurt or fall off the map, this wasting cap space. When all along we couldvw had a mid round Guy producing ok for us and our team would be just as good.

Zaggs
04-27-2012, 01:09 AM
. I mean who are the starting tackles? Locklear and Diehl? Anyone overly confident in that pairing?


You saw a starting OT at 32? I didnt.

Don't see Glenn being any worse than Beatty.

lawl
04-27-2012, 01:12 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point.* Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board.* Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd.* He's still on the board.* Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.
There's a reason Mayock is an analyst and not a GM...</P>


there is also a reason we're MB posters and JR <U>IS</U> a GM.</P>


(Actually a 2 time SB winning GM)</P>

Jerry Jones can say that too.

Previous accolades have no bearing on current performance

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 01:14 AM
Don't see Glenn being any worse than Beatty.*


So you want to use a first round pick on a guy who "wont be worse"?

I really think this whole hate thing stems from a couple people who think Glenn was a great prospect.

Glenn scares the heck out of me as a prospect. He cant bend at his knees at all, so he plays high or bends at the waist (which means either no leverage, or eventual back problems), hes big and strong but hes not really a mauler. He is more a catcher with how he uses his hands.

Frankly, I think Glenn will have an exceptionally hard time playing RT. Thing he would be easy prey for any NFL pass rusher.

And his lack of bend and inherent lack of leverage scares me inside at guard.

High high bust potential for Glenn, IMO

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 01:14 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point. Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board. Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd. He's still on the board. Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.
There's a reason Mayock is an analyst and not a GM...</P>


there is also a reason we're MB posters and JR <U>IS</U> a GM.</P>


(Actually a 2 time SB winning GM)</P>


Jerry Jones can say that too. Previous accolades have no bearing on current performance</P>


So now you are so dillusional that you are comparing JR to Jerry Jones. The first rule of getting out of a hole Lawl is "stop digging".</P>


You're now making a fool out of yourself and it makes me sad.</P>

Drez
04-27-2012, 01:15 AM
But he was also not a value nor solid pick.


Even going by Mayocks draft board you could argue he was the BPA where they picked.

What more value is there than that?

If you go by Mayocks board, there were players ranked higher than Wilson. So he was neither the BPA nor a value pick. In fact if he's 33rd and drafted 32nd you lose a tad bit of value.


I love Mayock, but there's a reason he's not the one drafting the playersLike maybe he enjoys his job now better than being a GM. Also, Mayock loved the pick. He just had Wilson as the 33rd player on his board, which means that picking him at 32 isn't a reach.

I also find it meaningless that there may have been a few players available that were rated higher on Mayock's board than Wilson as we don't really know how much separated those players.

Drez
04-27-2012, 01:17 AM
. I mean who are the starting tackles? Locklear and Diehl? Anyone overly confident in that pairing?


You saw a starting OT at 32? I didnt.

Don't see Glenn being any worse than Beatty.

So you throw a 1st round pick after a 2nd for "not being any worse?"

Makes sense to me.

lawl
04-27-2012, 01:18 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point.* Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board.* Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd.* He's still on the board.* Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.
There's a reason Mayock is an analyst and not a GM...</P>


there is also a reason we're MB posters and JR <U>IS</U> a GM.</P>


(Actually a 2 time SB winning GM)</P>


Jerry Jones can say that too. Previous accolades have no bearing on current performance</P>


So now you are so dillusional that you are comparing JR to Jerry Jones.* The first rule of getting out of a hole Lawl is "stop digging".</P>


You're now making a fool out of yourself and it makes me sad.</P>

I'm not digging a hole. I love Reese, but this was a stupid pick

Tommy_Ribs
04-27-2012, 01:19 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point. Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board. Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd. He's still on the board. Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.

There's a reason Mayock is an analyst and not a GM...

Mike was a very respected scout, and is still respected by many in the game.

You don;t think Mayock is an expert?

I'm not talking about Kiper for crying out loud.

Drez
04-27-2012, 01:19 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point. Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board. Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd. He's still on the board. Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.
There's a reason Mayock is an analyst and not a GM...</p>


there is also a reason we're MB posters and JR <u>IS</u> a GM.</p>


(Actually a 2 time SB winning GM)</p>

Jerry Jones can say that too.

Previous accolades have no bearing on current performance

Horrible analogy, Lawl. Jones won his championships when he had Johnson making the personnel decisions.

That notwithstanding, it's pointless because Dallas won their championships nearly 20 years ago, not 3 months ago. Big difference.

Giant in Dallas
04-27-2012, 01:20 AM
Didn't follow the draft this year, so don't know much about Wilson or the prospects who were left. I'll trust Reese and support this pick 100%.

One thing going into the season that scared me was depth behind Bradshaw. He gets hurt quite a bit, so I wasn't too keen on just having Scott and ware behind him. Glad we added some competition in that unfortunate scenario.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 01:20 AM
I'm not digging a hole. I love Reese, but this was a stupid pick

Who would you have taken? Giants said they tried to trade out, but nobody was willing to give up much to come up

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 01:20 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point. Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board. Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd. He's still on the board. Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.
There's a reason Mayock is an analyst and not a GM...</P>


there is also a reason we're MB posters and JR <U>IS</U> a GM.</P>


(Actually a 2 time SB winning GM)</P>


Jerry Jones can say that too. Previous accolades have no bearing on current performance</P>


So now you are so dillusional that you are comparing JR to Jerry Jones. The first rule of getting out of a hole Lawl is "stop digging".</P>


You're now making a fool out of yourself and it makes me sad.</P>


I'm not digging a hole. I love Reese, but this was a stupid pick</P>


When you compared JR to Jerry Jones you were digging in way over your head.</P>


Now step away from the shovel Lawl. JR doesn't run our beloved team in the haphazard way you run your fantasy teams.</P>

Tommy_Ribs
04-27-2012, 01:21 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point. Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board. Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd. He's still on the board. Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.


LOL, Fallacy?

We had the 32nd pick, and we used it on a guy ranked 33rd by an extremely respected draft expert.

So I think that this shows, using Mayock's ratings, the GIANTS did not reach on Wilson. He was picked where he was rated. he was not rated as a 3rd rounder. He was the 33rd ranked guy.


But he was also not a value nor solid pick.


According to who?

You?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe that you are a paid analyst on a major sports network, or an active GM of a Pro Football team.

If you are, please correct me. Even if you are, I still will take MAyock's ratings and Reese's track record on this pick right now.

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 01:21 AM
I'm not digging a hole. I love Reese, but this was a stupid pick Who would you have taken? Giants said they tried to trade out, but nobody was willing to give up much to come up</P>


Lawl needs all our love right now. We don't want to read about him in the morning.</P>

Zaggs
04-27-2012, 01:23 AM
Don't see Glenn being any worse than Beatty.


So you want to use a first round pick on a guy who "wont be worse"?

I really think this whole hate thing stems from a couple people who think Glenn was a great prospect.

Glenn scares the heck out of me as a prospect. He cant bend at his knees at all, so he plays high or bends at the waist (which means either no leverage, or eventual back problems), hes big and strong but hes not really a mauler. He is more a catcher with how he uses his hands.

Frankly, I think Glenn will have an exceptionally hard time playing RT. Thing he would be easy prey for any NFL pass rusher.

And his lack of bend and inherent lack of leverage scares me inside at guard.

High high bust potential for Glenn, IMO

As opposed to using a first round pick on a guy who's probably going to be tackled for losses a few times? You can pull the "I'm better than you" act in college. But thats not going to work against NFL linebackers.
I actually would have prefered Stephen Hill be picked to start off as the outside/3rd option and then let him learn the position.

lawl
04-27-2012, 01:25 AM
What do you think of the pick Slip?</P>

I thought looking at who was available and it just looked like there were a bunch of guys rated about the same. So I dont find it surprising they took Wilson, I could see him being the BPA there.

If you want me to come up with a scouting report on him I can put one together, honestly I hated watching him on film. Find option/spread offense backs really hard to evaluate. I want to see NFL style runs.

Stick to you pre draft thoughts. You were opposed to a rb in the first round.

Do not let the giants decisions sway your thought process. The last time you did so was with sintim. You didn't like him pre draft, but once we took him you couldn't make up enough reasons for us to like him.

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 01:25 AM
Don't see Glenn being any worse than Beatty.
So you want to use a first round pick on a guy who "wont be worse"? I really think this whole hate thing stems from a couple people who think Glenn was a great prospect. Glenn scares the heck out of me as a prospect. He cant bend at his knees at all, so he plays high or bends at the waist (which means either no leverage, or eventual back problems), hes big and strong but hes not really a mauler. He is more a catcher with how he uses his hands. Frankly, I think Glenn will have an exceptionally hard time playing RT. Thing he would be easy prey for any NFL pass rusher. And his lack of bend and inherent lack of leverage scares me inside at guard. High high bust potential for Glenn, IMO

As opposed to using a first round pick on a guy who's probably going to be tackled for losses a few times? You can pull the "I'm better than you" act in college. But thats not going to work against NFL linebackers.
I actually would have prefered Stephen Hill be picked to start off as the outside/3rd option and then let him learn the position.
</P>


Every player drafted in the first round is a heck of a lot better than the guys they play against in college.</P>


Isn't that a good thing?</P>

Zaggs
04-27-2012, 01:26 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point. Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board. Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd. He's still on the board. Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.


LOL, Fallacy?

We had the 32nd pick, and we used it on a guy ranked 33rd by an extremely respected draft expert.

So I think that this shows, using Mayock's ratings, the GIANTS did not reach on Wilson. He was picked where he was rated. he was not rated as a 3rd rounder. He was the 33rd ranked guy.


But he was also not a value nor solid pick.


According to who?

You?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe that you are a paid analyst on a major sports network, or an active GM of a Pro Football team.

If you are, please correct me. Even if you are, I still will take MAyock's ratings and Reese's track record on this pick right now.


Thats my whole point. Mayock had other players who were available rated higher. So you're trying to disagree with me, while actually agreeing with me.

lawl
04-27-2012, 01:28 AM
I'm not digging a hole. I love Reese, but this was a stupid pick

Who would you have taken? Giants said they tried to trade out, but nobody was willing to give up much to come up

Branch worthy Reyes randle massie

Zaggs
04-27-2012, 01:29 AM
Don't see Glenn being any worse than Beatty.
So you want to use a first round pick on a guy who "wont be worse"? I really think this whole hate thing stems from a couple people who think Glenn was a great prospect. Glenn scares the heck out of me as a prospect. He cant bend at his knees at all, so he plays high or bends at the waist (which means either no leverage, or eventual back problems), hes big and strong but hes not really a mauler. He is more a catcher with how he uses his hands. Frankly, I think Glenn will have an exceptionally hard time playing RT. Thing he would be easy prey for any NFL pass rusher. And his lack of bend and inherent lack of leverage scares me inside at guard. High high bust potential for Glenn, IMO

As opposed to using a first round pick on a guy who's probably going to be tackled for losses a few times? You can pull the "I'm better than you" act in college. But thats not going to work against NFL linebackers.
I actually would have prefered Stephen Hill be picked to start off as the outside/3rd option and then let him learn the position.
</p>


Every player drafted in the first round is a heck of a lot better than the guys they play against in college.</p>


Isn't that a good thing?</p>

Which means they way the play works well against inferior competition. But like everyone says, the NFL game is faster. Wilson is going to be seeing linebackers than run as fast as him. Something he did not see much of in college.

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 01:32 AM
Don't see Glenn being any worse than Beatty.
So you want to use a first round pick on a guy who "wont be worse"? I really think this whole hate thing stems from a couple people who think Glenn was a great prospect. Glenn scares the heck out of me as a prospect. He cant bend at his knees at all, so he plays high or bends at the waist (which means either no leverage, or eventual back problems), hes big and strong but hes not really a mauler. He is more a catcher with how he uses his hands. Frankly, I think Glenn will have an exceptionally hard time playing RT. Thing he would be easy prey for any NFL pass rusher. And his lack of bend and inherent lack of leverage scares me inside at guard. High high bust potential for Glenn, IMO

As opposed to using a first round pick on a guy who's probably going to be tackled for losses a few times? You can pull the "I'm better than you" act in college. But thats not going to work against NFL linebackers.
I actually would have prefered Stephen Hill be picked to start off as the outside/3rd option and then let him learn the position.
</P>


Every player drafted in the first round is a heck of a lot better than the guys they play against in college.</P>


Isn't that a good thing?</P>




Which means they way the play works well against inferior competition. But like everyone says, the NFL game is faster. Wilson is going to be seeing linebackers than run as fast as him. Something he did not see much of in college.
</P>


With very rare exception, when David Wilson steps on the field, he'll be the fastest guy out there.</P>


The guy is a bullet.</P>


</P>


And may I suggest that every player you would have rather picked would also find the NFL game faster than college football?</P>

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 01:35 AM
Stick to you pre draft thoughts. You were opposed to a rb in the first round.

Do not let the giants decisions sway your thought process. The last time you did so was with sintim. You didn't like him pre draft, but once we took him you couldn't make up enough reasons for us to like him.

I honestly thought a better player would drop to them, everyone I really liked was gone by the time they picked. And while I wasent in love with drafting a HB in the first, it wasent because I disliked Wilson. I really thought some better players would drop to 32, by the time the giants were picking there really was not much to chose from.

And I never liked Sintim, pre or post draft.

Zaggs
04-27-2012, 01:36 AM
Don't see Glenn being any worse than Beatty.
So you want to use a first round pick on a guy who "wont be worse"? I really think this whole hate thing stems from a couple people who think Glenn was a great prospect. Glenn scares the heck out of me as a prospect. He cant bend at his knees at all, so he plays high or bends at the waist (which means either no leverage, or eventual back problems), hes big and strong but hes not really a mauler. He is more a catcher with how he uses his hands. Frankly, I think Glenn will have an exceptionally hard time playing RT. Thing he would be easy prey for any NFL pass rusher. And his lack of bend and inherent lack of leverage scares me inside at guard. High high bust potential for Glenn, IMO

As opposed to using a first round pick on a guy who's probably going to be tackled for losses a few times? You can pull the "I'm better than you" act in college. But thats not going to work against NFL linebackers.
I actually would have prefered Stephen Hill be picked to start off as the outside/3rd option and then let him learn the position.
</p>


Every player drafted in the first round is a heck of a lot better than the guys they play against in college.</p>


Isn't that a good thing?</p>




Which means they way the play works well against inferior competition. But like everyone says, the NFL game is faster. Wilson is going to be seeing linebackers than run as fast as him. Something he did not see much of in college.
</p>


With very rare exception, when David Wilson steps on the field, he'll be the fastest guy out there.</p>


The guys is a bullet.</p>

Hahahaha. Thanks. I needed a laugh before heading off to bed. He's not even the fastest back in this draft.

Blue_Buddha
04-27-2012, 01:36 AM
I like the pick. I wasn't overly excited but no one really dropped down like I'd hoped ...it was a tease.

I think like everyone is saying the kid is explosive. I also see his vision,patience, and footwork behind the line and in between the tackles is a lot like McCoys's. His best asset is his balance the kid is ridiculous at keepig his balance and he constantly keeps moving forward after the tackle. I don't know if he is 3 down back or if the Giants drafted him to be a 3 down back but he will be a great compliment to our running game.

Tommy_Ribs
04-27-2012, 01:37 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point. Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board. Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd. He's still on the board. Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.


LOL, Fallacy?

We had the 32nd pick, and we used it on a guy ranked 33rd by an extremely respected draft expert.

So I think that this shows, using Mayock's ratings, the GIANTS did not reach on Wilson. He was picked where he was rated. he was not rated as a 3rd rounder. He was the 33rd ranked guy.


But he was also not a value nor solid pick.


According to who?

You?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe that you are a paid analyst on a major sports network, or an active GM of a Pro Football team.

If you are, please correct me. Even if you are, I still will take MAyock's ratings and Reese's track record on this pick right now.


Thats my whole point. Mayock had other players who were available rated higher. So you're trying to disagree with me, while actually agreeing with me.


No no no no

Your argument is that he was not a value pick. He was picked one slot away from where a respected prognosticator ranked him.

I am not talking about other players, I am talking about Wilson. Wilson went where he was supposed to.

Wilson was NOT a reach, that is my point.

Drez
04-27-2012, 01:38 AM
33rd ranked Player on Mayock's board: http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/09000d5d8288a470/article/mike-mayocks-top-100-nfl-draft-prospect-rankings?module=HP11_hot_topics

It's not a reach, it was a solid pick.

I would have loved Upshaw or Cordy Glenn or Jonathan Martin, but Wilson is a good RB, he'll help Eli and Bradshaw.


To show the fallacy of this point. Cordy Glenn was ranked 25th by Mayock, he's still on the board. Stephen Hill was ranked 32nd. He's still on the board. Vinny Curry was ranked 30th (not that we need another D-lineman) and is still available.


LOL, Fallacy?

We had the 32nd pick, and we used it on a guy ranked 33rd by an extremely respected draft expert.

So I think that this shows, using Mayock's ratings, the GIANTS did not reach on Wilson. He was picked where he was rated. he was not rated as a 3rd rounder. He was the 33rd ranked guy.


But he was also not a value nor solid pick.


According to who?

You?

Correct me if I am wrong, but I do not believe that you are a paid analyst on a major sports network, or an active GM of a Pro Football team.

If you are, please correct me. Even if you are, I still will take MAyock's ratings and Reese's track record on this pick right now.


Thats my whole point. Mayock had other players who were available rated higher. So you're trying to disagree with me, while actually agreeing with me.

But, how do you know a series of coin flips didn't separate those players? You act like the difference between Wilson and the guys available were huge. Honestly, not a lot usually separates the 25th ranked guy and the 33rd on someone's board.

Also, BPA as a JR draft strategy is a myth.

Tommy_Ribs
04-27-2012, 01:39 AM
Don't see Glenn being any worse than Beatty.
So you want to use a first round pick on a guy who "wont be worse"? I really think this whole hate thing stems from a couple people who think Glenn was a great prospect. Glenn scares the heck out of me as a prospect. He cant bend at his knees at all, so he plays high or bends at the waist (which means either no leverage, or eventual back problems), hes big and strong but hes not really a mauler. He is more a catcher with how he uses his hands. Frankly, I think Glenn will have an exceptionally hard time playing RT. Thing he would be easy prey for any NFL pass rusher. And his lack of bend and inherent lack of leverage scares me inside at guard. High high bust potential for Glenn, IMO

As opposed to using a first round pick on a guy who's probably going to be tackled for losses a few times? You can pull the "I'm better than you" act in college. But thats not going to work against NFL linebackers.
I actually would have prefered Stephen Hill be picked to start off as the outside/3rd option and then let him learn the position.
</p>


Every player drafted in the first round is a heck of a lot better than the guys they play against in college.</p>


Isn't that a good thing?</p>

Which means they way the play works well against inferior competition. But like everyone says, the NFL game is faster. Wilson is going to be seeing linebackers than run as fast as him. Something he did not see much of in college.


Please name me all the 4.4 Linebackers.

Coach Carter
04-27-2012, 01:39 AM
I remember when everyone hated the JPP pick.* </p>Exactly, people think they are experts cuz they follow the draft a lot.

This is a great pick. With BJ gone we need a RB. This dude fits the bill.







And neither DJ Ware nor Da'rel Scott are running backs?


Ware is mediocre at best and Scott is still unproven. Good thing we have TC, hopefully he can fix Scott's and Wilsons fumbling issues.


Gerald Ingram the running back coach is the one who has been fixing the fumbles, not TC.

lawl
04-27-2012, 01:40 AM
Stick to you pre draft thoughts. You were opposed to a rb in the first round.

Do not let the giants decisions sway your thought process. The last time you did so was with sintim. You didn't like him pre draft, but once we took him you couldn't make up enough reasons for us to like him.

I honestly thought a better player would drop to them, everyone I really liked was gone by the time they picked. And while I wasent in love with drafting a HB in the first, it wasent because I disliked Wilson. I really thought some better players would drop to 32, by the time the giants were picking there really was not much to chose from.

And I never liked Sintim, pre or post draft.

its not a matter of disliking Wilson. You clearly stated that the drop off in talent of the 2nd back and the 15th back isn't that big.

As for sintim. Don't remember talking about how physical he was in training camp and that he is much better in coverage than people think? I sure do.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 01:40 AM
Branch worthy Reyes randle massie

Not a bad list apart from Massie, who I think is clearly not a first round talent.

If you put Wilson, Branch, Worthy, Reyes and Randle together as a group, say they all got the same grade, I would think you could make the argument for Wilson as more of a need.

Have to always assume need fits in there too. Giants may be far happier with what they have at WR and DT than we think.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 01:43 AM
its not a matter of disliking Wilson. You clearly stated that the drop off in talent of the 2nd back and the 15th back isn't that big.
Well, admittadly, I didnt watch much of Wilson, his film annoys me, and I did not expect a HB in the first. I watched far more video of mid-late round HBs, and then some of Martin because everyone was talking him up.


As for sintim. Don't remember talking about how physical he was in training camp and that he is much better in coverage than people think? I sure do.

I made a post about how he chased down a HB (dont remember who it was) in the open field and knocked away a pass, thought that was really impressive. Biggest knock on him coming out was his coverage ability, thought he might be much better in that aspect than given credit for. Physical play you cant see in camp, I didnt say anything to that effect, other than perhaps talking about how big he looked compared to the other LBs.

lawl
04-27-2012, 01:44 AM
Branch worthy Reyes randle massie

Not a bad list apart from Massie, who I think is clearly not a first round talent.

If you put Wilson, Branch, Worthy, Reyes and Randle together as a group, say they all got the same grade, I would think you could make the argument for Wilson as more of a need.

Have to always assume need fits in there too. Giants may be far happier with what they have at WR and DT than we think.

Vast amounts of young talent at valuable positions is every NFL team's number 1 need. I will always think that should be the case

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 01:45 AM
Vast amounts of young talent at valuable positions is every NFL team's number 1 need. I will always think that should be the case

Eh, gotta think of the 32nd pick as a 2nd rounder, might feel better about a HB if you consider him a 2nd round pick.

lawl
04-27-2012, 01:46 AM
its not a matter of disliking Wilson. You clearly stated that the drop off in talent of the 2nd back and the 15th back isn't that big.
Well, admittadly, I didnt watch much of Wilson, his film annoys me, and I did not expect a HB in the first. I watched far more video of mid-late round HBs, and then some of Martin because everyone was talking him up.


As for sintim. Don't remember talking about how physical he was in training camp and that he is much better in coverage than people think? I sure do.

I made a post about how he chased down a HB (dont remember who it was) in the open field and knocked away a pass, thought that was really impressive. Biggest knock on him coming out was his coverage ability, thought he might be much better in that aspect than given credit for. Physical play you cant see in camp, I didnt say anything to that effect, other than perhaps talking about how big he looked compared to the other LBs.
You distinctly mentioned sintim jamming guys and saying how physical he was.

Why do I remember random things like this? I don't know

lawl
04-27-2012, 01:50 AM
Vast amounts of young talent at valuable positions is every NFL team's number 1 need. I will always think that should be the case

Eh, gotta think of the 32nd pick as a 2nd rounder, might feel better about a HB if you consider him a 2nd round pick.

a first round pick is a first round pick. Do you think of the 33rd pick as basically a 1st rounder? Of course not. it is what it is. I don't like this thought process

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 01:51 AM
You distinctly mentioned sintim jamming guys and saying how physical he was.

Why do I remember random things like this? I don't know

in training camp? They barely touch each other, lol. He could have been in some drills and doing something I suppose. Dont recall. Certainly wasent physical when he got on the field though.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 01:55 AM
a first round pick is a first round pick. Do you think of the 33rd pick as basically a 1st rounder? Of course not. it is what it is. I don't like this thought process

I dont think very many (if any) teams look at the draft by round. We know the giants dont.

They go by grouping of players.

Reese did say he expected by the 32nd pick the guys they were looking at he thought were 2nd round talent. Combined with him saying he thought the players bewteen 15-32 (or something like that) were all very similar.

You get the idea that he had a bunch of 2nd round talent players to chose from at 32, and he tried to trade out, couldnt find anyone willing, so took the player at the biggest need position.

G-Men Surg.
04-27-2012, 01:58 AM
Branch worthy Reyes randle massie

Not a bad list apart from Massie, who I think is clearly not a first round talent.

If you put Wilson, Branch, Worthy, Reyes and Randle together as a group, say they all got the same grade, I would think you could make the argument for Wilson as more of a need.

Have to always assume need fits in there too. Giants may be far happier with what they have at WR and DT than we think.
Very well said, need reached value with Wilson at 32. Aside of all the problems and injuries on the line during the season it was clear that the running game needed a shot and Wilson fits in nicely. I do still believe that the talent level at WR, DT, TE it's even during the next 2 or 3 rounds. Of course time will tell if Reese got it right with this kid .

lawl
04-27-2012, 02:02 AM
a first round pick is a first round pick. Do you think of the 33rd pick as basically a 1st rounder? Of course not. it is what it is. I don't like this thought process

I dont think very many (if any) teams look at the draft by round. We know the giants dont.

They go by grouping of players.

Reese did say he expected by the 32nd pick the guys they were looking at he thought were 2nd round talent. Combined with him saying he thought the players bewteen 15-32 (or something like that) were all very similar.

You get the idea that he had a bunch of 2nd round talent players to chose from at 32, and he tried to trade out, couldnt find anyone willing, so took the player at the biggest need position.

They don't look at players by round but Reese said at 32 we'd be looking at players with 2nd round grades? Lol

I don't think rb is a need. Any random scrub will provide us with enough production.

Our dl qb cover guys and wrs win games for us. Keep these positions loaded and we have a higher chance of continued success. Using a high pick on a rb takes away a valuable asset that could've been invested into one of these positions.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 02:03 AM
They don't look at players by round but Reese said at 32 we'd be looking at players with 2nd round grades? Lol
You get what he means.


I don't think rb is a need. Any random scrub will provide us with enough production.
DJ Ware begs to differ.


Our dl qb cover guys and wrs win games for us. Keep these positions loaded and we have a higher chance of continued success. Using a high pick on a rb takes away a valuable asset that could've been invested into one of these positions.

Regardless of how they went about it, I thought improving the run game was a huge need this offseason.

wideright91
04-27-2012, 02:10 AM
Fumbler, poor in pass pro and cant run routes.

3rd round value and a RB at that. Hill, Still, Upshaw, Fleener all on the board still. All have more upside than this guy.

If this was the guy they coveted they should have traded back and avoided 1st round money and at least save money.

Disagree except for perhaps Hill, who's at least a year removed from being a productive receiver. Not being a homer, but I think Wilson has the highest upside of any RB in the draft. His only red flag is the fumbling, and Coughlin has cured fumblers before.

That said, we very easily could've moved up for DeCastro...

lawl
04-27-2012, 02:11 AM
They don't look at players by round but Reese said at 32 we'd be looking at players with 2nd round grades? Lol You get what he means.
I don't think rb is a need. Any random scrub will provide us with enough production. DJ Ware begs to differ.
Our dl qb cover guys and wrs win games for us. Keep these positions loaded and we have a higher chance of continued success. Using a high pick on a rb takes away a valuable asset that could've been invested into one of these positions. Regardless of how they went about it, I thought improving the run game was a huge need this offseason.</P>


I'm 100% positive that any rb we took in the 3rd or 4th round would have been better than ware and wouldve helped our offense this year and in the future. The chances of being able to say that about a 3rd/4th round de dt otwr etc..are much much lower.</P>


This wasn't the percentage play and I will never like it. I think Wilson will be good, but that is completely irrelevant. His impact when compared to a mid round back is a much smaller gap than that of the other positions that I think we covet.</P>

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 02:18 AM
His impact when compared to a mid round back is a much smaller gap than that of the other positions that I think we covet.</P>

Im just not sure there was a guy at a different position that was all that great to begin with. Ignoring the Wilson pick, I had a lot of trouble finding a player at 32 that I liked, nobody who just to me looked like a great player there.

Is Randle that much better than a Childs? I dont think so.

Is Reyes or Worthy that much better than a Mike Martin?

I was mostly hoping a top guy fell to them at 32, one didnt.

The truth is none of us know how the giants board is laid out, half the guys you brought up might not even be on the board because of medical or character issues.

Have to just look at it in a vacuum, did they get a good player at 32? Thats really all that matters in the end.

Redeyejedi
04-27-2012, 02:26 AM
His impact when compared to a mid round back is a much smaller gap than that of the other positions that I think we covet.</P>

Im just not sure there was a guy at a different position that was all that great to begin with. Ignoring the Wilson pick, I had a lot of trouble finding a player at 32 that I liked, nobody who just to me looked like a great player there.

Is Randle that much better than a Childs? I dont think so.

Is Reyes or Worthy that much better than a Mike Martin?

I was mostly hoping a top guy fell to them at 32, one didnt.

The truth is none of us know how the giants board is laid out, half the guys you brought up might not even be on the board because of medical or character issues.

Have to just look at it in a vacuum, did they get a good player at 32? Thats really all that matters in the end.I had players I liked better then Wilson although not by a huge margin.i just wish they could of gotten him at 40 instead of 32.
I really liked Cyrus gray thought he was better value.

lawl
04-27-2012, 02:27 AM
His impact when compared to a mid round back is a much smaller gap than that of the other positions that I think we covet.


</P>


Im just not sure there was a guy at a different position that was all that great to begin with. Ignoring the Wilson pick, I had a lot of trouble finding a player at 32 that I liked, nobody who just to me looked like a great player there. Is Randle that much better than a Childs? I dont think so. Is Reyes or Worthy that much better than a Mike Martin? I was mostly hoping a top guy fell to them at 32, one didnt. The truth is none of us know how the giants board is laid out, half the guys you brought up might not even be on the board because of medical or character issues. Have to just look at it in a vacuum, did they get a good player at 32? Thats really all that matters in the end.</P>


Same can be said with the guys you brought up in your comparisons. </P>


Is Wilson that much better than a Gray or Pead or Pierce etc. The list is much longer at running back.</P>


I think there is overwhelming evidence that the likelihoodof there beinga bigger gap of production of a 1st round de/dt/wr is much higher than that of RB. Is this subjective? Perhaps, but I fully believe in it.</P>


Vacuum- All of the guys in the group I listed I view as a good player. You seemed to agree. All of these guys play at much more valuable positions. </P>


</P>

rainierjef
04-27-2012, 02:36 AM
now were just wishing dwayne allen or green is there at 63. Cool i still feel we could of had pead turbin gray later on, pierce. if the 32 pick is essentially a 2nd round pick then on a 2nd round grade. Wilson &gt; Fleener? &gt; Still? &gt; Martin? my opinion is no.

i hope the kid pans out, i hope he can find and shoot the holes fast in our line cause hes going to need to.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 02:38 AM
I think there is overwhelming evidence that the likelihood*of there being*a bigger gap of production of a 1st round de/dt/wr is much higher than that of RB. Is this subjective? Perhaps, but I fully believe in it.

Switch that to 2nd round De/WR/DT vs. 2nd round HB and it may actually prove the opposite....

I know you have an issue with considering the 32nd pick more of a 2nd round than a first. I dont have that issue

nevada11
04-27-2012, 02:40 AM
Same can be said with the guys you brought up in your comparisons. </P>


Is Wilson that much better than a Gray or Pead or Pierce etc. The list is much longer at running back.</P>


I think there is overwhelming evidence that the likelihood*of there being*a bigger gap of production of a 1st round de/dt/wr is much higher than that of RB. Is this subjective? Perhaps, but I fully believe in it.</P>


Vacuum- All of the guys in the group I listed I view as a good player. You seemed to agree. All of these guys play at* much more valuable positions. </P>


*</P>

You and redeye both make a great argument. wilson is good but the production you're getting from him isnt very much significantly different than what you would get with an isiah pead round 3 or cyrus gray round 4

wilson is a nice player. he might be a need pick with bad value

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 02:57 AM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however.

He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial.

Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up.

Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice.

rainierjef
04-27-2012, 03:25 AM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however.

He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial.

Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up.

Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice.

this proves my point like i said in another post, that TB juked us into making this move because, if it wasn't for them moving up and taking Martin we would of probably been...
<blockquote>2. taking Fleener or someone else of equal or greater value cause
outside of Richardson no one else picked a RB in the first, so that kind of meant what
the analyst said had some truth to it, that RB's are not valued as high
and that a good guy would be available in the 2nd close to or where we
picked.


</blockquote>and i can almost guarantee the run on TE's is going to be more devastating than the one they think is going to happen to RB's in the second. i won't be surprised if Fleener / charles / allen / green and egnew are all gone before 63

moecoastie
04-27-2012, 04:20 AM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however.

He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial.

Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up.

Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice.

this proves my point like i said in another post, that TB juked us into making this move because, if it wasn't for them moving up and taking Martin we would of probably been...
<blockquote>2. taking Fleener or someone else of equal or greater value cause
outside of Richardson no one else picked a RB in the first, so that kind of meant what
the analyst said had some truth to it, that RB's are not valued as high
and that a good guy would be available in the 2nd close to or where we
picked.


</blockquote>and i can almost guarantee the run on TE's is going to be more devastating than the one they think is going to happen to RB's in the second. i won't be surprised if Fleener / charles / allen / green and egnew are all gone before 63


I'd be VERY surprised if 5 TE's got drafted in the 2nd round.

rainierjef
04-27-2012, 05:24 AM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however.

He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial.

Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up.

Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice.

this proves my point like i said in another post, that TB juked us into making this move because, if it wasn't for them moving up and taking Martin we would of probably been...
<blockquote>2. taking Fleener or someone else of equal or greater value cause
outside of Richardson no one else picked a RB in the first, so that kind of meant what
the analyst said had some truth to it, that RB's are not valued as high
and that a good guy would be available in the 2nd close to or where we
picked.


</blockquote>and i can almost guarantee the run on TE's is going to be more devastating than the one they think is going to happen to RB's in the second. i won't be surprised if Fleener / charles / allen / green and egnew are all gone before 63


I'd be VERY surprised if 5 TE's got drafted in the 2nd round.

passing league homie it could happen, we all thought 1-2 RB's would go in the first or that hill was a lock for the 9ers anything can happen.

Redeyejedi
04-27-2012, 07:13 AM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however.

He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial.

Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up.

Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice.Giants realize they can trade up and down right

GMENAGAIN
04-27-2012, 07:45 AM
His impact when compared to a mid round back is a much smaller gap than that of the other positions that I think we covet.


</P>


Im just not sure there was a guy at a different position that was all that great to begin with. Ignoring the Wilson pick, I had a lot of trouble finding a player at 32 that I liked, nobody who just to me looked like a great player there. Is Randle that much better than a Childs? I dont think so. Is Reyes or Worthy that much better than a Mike Martin? I was mostly hoping a top guy fell to them at 32, one didnt. The truth is none of us know how the giants board is laid out, half the guys you brought up might not even be on the board because of medical or character issues. Have to just look at it in a vacuum, did they get a good player at 32? Thats really all that matters in the end.</P>


This is exactly how I felt when our pick came up.</P>


I'm not crazy about taking a RB in the first, but I really wasn't crazy abouth the other options left at 32 either. I was hoping that a really highly rated guywould unexpectedly drop and that didn't happen.</P>


</P>

tdawg1413
04-27-2012, 09:27 AM
I say Shady McCoy when I look at Wilson. Love the pick!

bigblue999
04-27-2012, 11:38 AM
EXCELLENT pick by the GMEN - this kid is by far the best RB in the draft...alot of fools trust mayock but glad the Giants do their own proper assessments.

This kid has a heart of a champion, tough as they come, will complement Bradshaw very well. He will be amazing to watch in the years ahead...straight football player. He just needs some work on holding the ball and he will emerge as one of the top RBs in the league.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 11:40 AM
EXCELLENT pick by the GMEN - this kid is by far the best RB in the draft...alot of fools trust mayock but glad the Giants do their own proper assessments.


What? Lol. Mayock thought Wilson was a great pick, and nobody, not even the giants, thought Wilson was the best HB in the draft

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 11:44 AM
Giants realize they can trade up and down right

Always easier said than done.

Maybe best offer they got was dropping back 10 spots for a 5th round pick, not worth it, IMO.

Bet teams looked at the guys available there and werent real eager to jump in.

bigblue999
04-27-2012, 11:46 AM
EXCELLENT pick by the GMEN - this kid is by far the best RB in the draft...alot of fools trust mayock but glad the Giants do their own proper assessments.


What? Lol. Mayock thought Wilson was a great pick, and nobody, not even the giants, thought Wilson was the best HB in the draft

Mayock didn't think this kid was the best in the draft...he was dead wrong!! Richardson was benched behind a better RB now all of a sudden he this unbelievable RB, he was simply a standout among boys...we got a true warrior - same heart as bradshaw (round 7) - this kid will dominate at this level, given he now can give himself to the game full time now.

Kruunch
04-27-2012, 11:52 AM
EXCELLENT pick by the GMEN - this kid is by far the best RB in the draft...alot of fools trust mayock but glad the Giants do their own proper assessments.


What? Lol. Mayock thought Wilson was a great pick, and nobody, not even the giants, thought Wilson was the best HB in the draft

Mayock didn't think this kid was the best in the draft...he was dead wrong!! Richardson was benched behind a better RB now all of a sudden he this unbelievable RB, he was simply a standout among boys...we got a true warrior - same heart as bradshaw (round 7) - this kid will dominate at this level, given he now can give himself to the game full time now.

Giants had Wilson rated as the #2 RB in this draft according to Bob Papa this morning.

I love the pick ... I was more of a Martin fan, but the differences between the two are very coachable and Wilson has tremendous vision and balance (neither of which you can teach).

He's going to be a great pick for us.

lawl
04-27-2012, 12:56 PM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however.

He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial.

Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up.

Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice.

This makes it much worse.

Stick to your big board. We had a Guy rated higher that could potentiallyplay rt.

A run on hbs is great for us. A higher rated Guy would most definitely fall to us in the 2nd round if this supposed run on HBs occurs.

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 12:59 PM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however. He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial. Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up. Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice. This makes it much worse. Stick to your big board. We had a Guy rated higher that could potentiallyplay rt. A run on hbs is great for us. A higher rated Guy would most definitely fall to us in the 2nd round if this supposed run on HBs occurs.</P>


You're still mad?</P>

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 01:07 PM
Stick to your big board. We had a Guy rated higher that could potentiallyplay rt.

A run on hbs is great for us. A higher rated Guy would most definitely fall to us in the 2nd round if this supposed run on HBs occurs.

Then it makes even more sense to take a HB in the first, if they feel there will be a run on HBs and an OL will fall to them at their 2nd round pick.

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 01:10 PM
I have said this all week and I'll repeat it again. </P>


This entire "BPA" theory is myth. GM's all claim that they go BPA, all of them. Its a crock. JR and every other GM consider need very heavily in the draft. Especially early in the draft.</P>


This is JR's 6th draft. In 4 of those drafts he addressed needs in the first round. Only JPP and Prince were truly PBA picks. Plaxico shoots himself and what do you know...., our "BPA" turned out to be Hakeem Nicks. We desperately needed a safety in 2008 and like nagic or "BPA" just happened to be Kenny Phillips. Same was true with Ross and now Wilson.</P>


These guys (and many of you posters) can thump your chests about being "BPA Purists", but its all nonsense. Yes we in ideal situations will go BPA, but football teams have needs, and its a "win now" league. Don't kid yourselves, need is always a consideration.</P>

GMENAGAIN
04-27-2012, 01:14 PM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however. He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial. Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up. Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice. This makes it much worse. Stick to your big board. We had a Guy rated higher that could potentiallyplay rt. A run on hbs is great for us. A higher rated Guy would most definitely fall to us in the 2nd round if this supposed run on HBs occurs.</P>


We all know that you hate drafting RB's high, but when is the first round that you think that a team should consider drafting a RB?</P>

LT_was_good
04-27-2012, 01:15 PM
Sounds like there weren't any "steals" at this spot so the pick makes sense. Obviously it would've been nice if somebody was desperate to trade into the spot, but I guess the other GM's saw what Reese saw and weren't willing to give up much.

lawl
04-27-2012, 01:16 PM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however. He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial. Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up. Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice. This makes it much worse. Stick to your big board. We had a Guy rated higher that could potentiallyplay rt. A run on hbs is great for us. A higher rated Guy would most definitely fall to us in the 2nd round if this supposed run on HBs occurs.</P>


You're still mad?</P>

Yes. If what garafalo says is true, then I need no more confirmation

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 01:19 PM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however. He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial. Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up. Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice. This makes it much worse. Stick to your big board. We had a Guy rated higher that could potentiallyplay rt. A run on hbs is great for us. A higher rated Guy would most definitely fall to us in the 2nd round if this supposed run on HBs occurs.</P>


You're still mad?</P>


Yes. If what garafalo says is true, then I need no more confirmation</P>


You'll get over it when our running attack improves substantially next season. It was our greatest weakness and we have begun the process of addressing it.</P>

lawl
04-27-2012, 01:25 PM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however. He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial. Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up. Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice. This makes it much worse. Stick to your big board. We had a Guy rated higher that could potentiallyplay rt. A run on hbs is great for us. A higher rated Guy would most definitely fall to us in the 2nd round if this supposed run on HBs occurs.</P>


We all know that you hate drafting RB's high, but when is the first round that you think that a team should consider drafting a RB?</P>

If you have a great qb. You should just put random rbs on the team. More importantly just a Guy that can catch balls.teams with young qbs should be the ones that target rbs early to help his development.


I wanted Demarco Murray and I wanted Taiwan Jones. Middle round rbs will provide uswith more than enough impact

lawl
04-27-2012, 01:28 PM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however. He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial. Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up. Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice. This makes it much worse. Stick to your big board. We had a Guy rated higher that could potentiallyplay rt. A run on hbs is great for us. A higher rated Guy would most definitely fall to us in the 2nd round if this supposed run on HBs occurs.</P>


You're still mad?</P>


Yes. If what garafalo says is true, then I need no more confirmation</P>


You'll get over it when our running attack improves substantially next season.* It was our greatest weakness and we have begun the process of addressing it.</P>

You don't understand. I don't care. He probably will be very good. The point is, its not a percentage pick.

A rb in the first rd takes away an asset that could have been invested in a valuable position

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 01:40 PM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however. He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial. Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up. Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice. This makes it much worse. Stick to your big board. We had a Guy rated higher that could potentiallyplay rt. A run on hbs is great for us. A higher rated Guy would most definitely fall to us in the 2nd round if this supposed run on HBs occurs.</P>


You're still mad?</P>


Yes. If what garafalo says is true, then I need no more confirmation</P>


You'll get over it when our running attack improves substantially next season. It was our greatest weakness and we have begun the process of addressing it.</P>


You don't understand. I don't care. He probably will be very good. The point is, its not a percentage pick. A rb in the first rd takes away an asset that could have been invested in a valuable position</P>


All this whining of yours is because you don't think its a "percentage pick"?</P>


Thats a lot of hysterics over a benign point Lawl. Now go ahead and cancel that order you put in forthe JR Vodoo doll.</P>

lawl
04-27-2012, 01:47 PM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however. He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial. Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up. Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice. This makes it much worse. Stick to your big board. We had a Guy rated higher that could potentiallyplay rt. A run on hbs is great for us. A higher rated Guy would most definitely fall to us in the 2nd round if this supposed run on HBs occurs.</P>


You're still mad?</P>


Yes. If what garafalo says is true, then I need no more confirmation</P>


You'll get over it when our running attack improves substantially next season.* It was our greatest weakness and we have begun the process of addressing it.</P>


You don't understand. I don't care. He probably will be very good. The point is, its not a percentage pick. A rb in the first rd takes away an asset that could have been invested in a valuable position</P>


All this whining of yours is because you don't think its a "percentage pick"?</P>


Thats a lot of hysterics over a benign point Lawl.* Now go ahead and cancel that order you put in for*the JR Vodoo doll.</P>

Its the wrong thing to do.

Kruunch
04-27-2012, 02:31 PM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however.

He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial.

Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up.

Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice.

This makes it much worse.

Stick to your big board. We had a Guy rated higher that could potentiallyplay rt.

A run on hbs is great for us. A higher rated Guy would most definitely fall to us in the 2nd round if this supposed run on HBs occurs.

I'm a little surprised they let Cordy Glenn get by them as well, but considering that our worst first round pick under Reese was Aaron Ross, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

We also have our starting offensive line on our team so chances are whoever we picked at OG/OT wouldn't play this year and we got a running back who doesn't necessarily need a lot of blocking in front of him.

Kruunch
04-27-2012, 02:33 PM
I have said this all week and I'll repeat it again.** </P>


This entire "BPA" theory is myth.* GM's all claim that they go BPA, all of them.* Its a crock.* JR and every other GM consider need very heavily in the draft.* Especially early in the draft.</P>


This is JR's 6th draft.* In 4 of those drafts he addressed needs in the first round.* Only JPP and Prince were truly PBA picks.* Plaxico shoots himself and what do you know...., our "BPA" turned out to be Hakeem Nicks.* We desperately needed a safety in 2008 and like nagic or "BPA" just happened to be Kenny Phillips.* Same was true with Ross and now Wilson.</P>


These guys (and many of you posters) can thump your chests about being "BPA Purists", but its all nonsense.* Yes we in ideal situations will go BPA, but football teams have needs, and its a "win now" league.* Don't kid yourselves, need is always a consideration.</P>

+1

When someone says BPA it's usually because they're too lazy/stupid to form an educated opinion.

Kruunch
04-27-2012, 02:35 PM
If you have a great qb. You should just put random rbs on the team. More importantly just a Guy that can catch balls.teams with young qbs should be the ones that target rbs early to help his development.

Obviously the professionals disagree with you (thank god).

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 02:36 PM
Well as far as the BPA is concerned...

What position could they have drafted at 32 that wasent a need at some level?

Every position is a need.

juice33s
04-27-2012, 02:40 PM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however. He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial. Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up. Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice. This makes it much worse. Stick to your big board. We had a Guy rated higher that could potentiallyplay rt. A run on hbs is great for us. A higher rated Guy would most definitely fall to us in the 2nd round if this supposed run on HBs occurs.</p>


You're still mad?</p>


Yes. If what garafalo says is true, then I need no more confirmation</p>


You'll get over it when our running attack improves substantially next season. It was our greatest weakness and we have begun the process of addressing it.</p>


You don't understand. I don't care. He probably will be very good. The point is, its not a percentage pick. <font size="5">A rb in the first rd takes away an asset that could have been invested in a valuable position</font></p>


All this whining of yours is because you don't think its a "percentage pick"?</p>


Thats a lot of hysterics over a benign point Lawl. Now go ahead and cancel that order you put in forthe JR Vodoo doll.</p>

Its the wrong thing to do.
How is RB not a valuable position? The guy is going to be a day 1 impact player for the Giants. He is an immediate upgrade over Ware, Scott and perhaps even Bradshaw. The way I see it the Giants just made a substantial upgrade to their roster.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 02:44 PM
piggybacks on what they did last year... team speed.

Bradshaw is a damn good runner, but how many 20+ yard carries did he have in 2011? 3.

lawl
04-27-2012, 02:53 PM
If you have a great qb. You should just put random rbs on the team. More importantly just a Guy that can catch balls.teams with young qbs should be the ones that target rbs early to help his development.

Obviously the professionals disagree with you (thank god).

Green bay doesn't

lawl
04-27-2012, 02:55 PM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however. He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial. Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up. Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice. This makes it much worse. Stick to your big board. We had a Guy rated higher that could potentiallyplay rt. A run on hbs is great for us. A higher rated Guy would most definitely fall to us in the 2nd round if this supposed run on HBs occurs.</p>


You're still mad?</p>


Yes. If what garafalo says is true, then I need no more confirmation</p>


You'll get over it when our running attack improves substantially next season.* It was our greatest weakness and we have begun the process of addressing it.</p>


You don't understand. I don't care. He probably will be very good. The point is, its not a percentage pick. <font size="5">A rb in the first rd takes away an asset that could have been invested in a valuable position</font></p>


All this whining of yours is because you don't think its a "percentage pick"?</p>


Thats a lot of hysterics over a benign point Lawl.* Now go ahead and cancel that order you put in for*the JR Vodoo doll.</p>

Its the wrong thing to do.
How is RB not a valuable position? The guy is going to be a day 1 impact player for the Giants. He is an immediate upgrade over Ware, Scott and perhaps even Bradshaw. The way I see it the Giants just made a substantial upgrade to their roster.




De dt ot and wr are all positions that have a morr direct influence on our ability to win games.

BlueSanta
04-27-2012, 02:58 PM
piggybacks on what they did last year... team speed.

Bradshaw is a damn good runner, but how many 20+ yard carries did he have in 2011? 3.

The thing I took away last year was that they made special teams a priority. They said as much.


It seems maybe this year the run game is a priority.

BlueSanta
04-27-2012, 03:07 PM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however. He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial. Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up. Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice. This makes it much worse. Stick to your big board. We had a Guy rated higher that could potentiallyplay rt. A run on hbs is great for us. A higher rated Guy would most definitely fall to us in the 2nd round if this supposed run on HBs occurs.</p>


You're still mad?</p>


Yes. If what garafalo says is true, then I need no more confirmation</p>


You'll get over it when our running attack improves substantially next season. It was our greatest weakness and we have begun the process of addressing it.</p>


You don't understand. I don't care. He probably will be very good. The point is, its not a percentage pick. <font size="5">A rb in the first rd takes away an asset that could have been invested in a valuable position</font></p>


All this whining of yours is because you don't think its a "percentage pick"?</p>


Thats a lot of hysterics over a benign point Lawl. Now go ahead and cancel that order you put in forthe JR Vodoo doll.</p>

Its the wrong thing to do.
How is RB not a valuable position? The guy is going to be a day 1 impact player for the Giants. He is an immediate upgrade over Ware, Scott and perhaps even Bradshaw. The way I see it the Giants just made a substantial upgrade to their roster.




De dt ot and wr are all positions that have a morr direct influence on our ability to win games.

That is all your opinion. Which thankfully, means nothing to this team.

All the top DEs were off the board.

We just signed a Dt to go with our already good group.

We signed a OT for depth in the offseason.

We have 2 pro bowl WRs and a couple youngsters behind them. Besides, which WR was on the board rated to go here? There were none.

Basing your opinion of a pick on what position a guy plays is just silly. He is the best player we could have gotten to address the part of the team that suffered the most last year..the run game.

juice33s
04-27-2012, 03:09 PM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however. He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial. Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up. Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice. This makes it much worse. Stick to your big board. We had a Guy rated higher that could potentiallyplay rt. A run on hbs is great for us. A higher rated Guy would most definitely fall to us in the 2nd round if this supposed run on HBs occurs.</p>


You're still mad?</p>


Yes. If what garafalo says is true, then I need no more confirmation</p>


You'll get over it when our running attack improves substantially next season. It was our greatest weakness and we have begun the process of addressing it.</p>


You don't understand. I don't care. He probably will be very good. The point is, its not a percentage pick. <font size="5">A rb in the first rd takes away an asset that could have been invested in a valuable position</font></p>


All this whining of yours is because you don't think its a "percentage pick"?</p>


Thats a lot of hysterics over a benign point Lawl. Now go ahead and cancel that order you put in forthe JR Vodoo doll.</p>

Its the wrong thing to do.
How is RB not a valuable position? The guy is going to be a day 1 impact player for the Giants. He is an immediate upgrade over Ware, Scott and perhaps even Bradshaw. The way I see it the Giants just made a substantial upgrade to their roster.




De dt ot and wr are all positions that have a morr direct influence on our ability to win games.
DE and DT we're pretty much set, OT still has alot of qaulity guys left and I think thats direction we go in RD 2 and obviously WR we feature two of the best playmakers in the NFL. A 3rd complimentary piece can be found in the later rounds...Sanu, McNutt, Jerffery, Marvin Jones ect ect.

Also we just won a superbowl with two of the worst performing staring tackles in the NFL so how much it influences our ability to win is clearly debatable

Kruunch
04-27-2012, 03:14 PM
If you have a great qb. You should just put random rbs on the team. More importantly just a Guy that can catch balls.teams with young qbs should be the ones that target rbs early to help his development.

Obviously the professionals disagree with you (thank god).

Green bay doesn't

And who's won more Superbowls in the past 5 years?

Blanket statements are a bit beneath you (you usually have much better insight).

Kruunch
04-27-2012, 03:20 PM
De dt ot and wr are all positions that have a morr direct influence on our ability to win games.

You think a #3 WR has more influence on a game then a #1 RB generally speaking?

Hmmm.

GMENAGAIN
04-27-2012, 03:20 PM
Talking to Garafolo a bit, he says he was told Glenn was higher on their draft board, does not know if there were other players higher, Wilson was definately higher than Martin however. He says the giants thought if there was a run on HBs that guys like Pead, Polk, James, etc would all be gone before they picked in the 2nd. They clearly felt the talent drop off after the 2nd round at HB was rather substantial. Thought Wilson was substantially better than the other HBs remaining, so they pulled the trigger now, rather than missing out on a bunch of HBs they liked by the time their 2nd round pick came up. Makes sense from that aspect. So its a bit of a reach, but if there is a run on HBs and a bunch go second round, that may have been really their only choice. This makes it much worse. Stick to your big board. We had a Guy rated higher that could potentiallyplay rt. A run on hbs is great for us. A higher rated Guy would most definitely fall to us in the 2nd round if this supposed run on HBs occurs.</P>


We all know that you hate drafting RB's high, but when is the first round that you think that a team should consider drafting a RB?</P>


If you have a great qb. You should just put random rbs on the team. More importantly just a Guy that can catch balls.teams with young qbs should be the ones that target rbs early to help his development. I wanted Demarco Murray and I wanted Taiwan Jones. Middle round rbs will provide uswith more than enough impact</P>


What do you consider "middle rounds" . . . . the third or later?</P>


Would you ever spend a second rounder on a RB?</P>

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 03:30 PM
Lets take a look at this SB vs. HB in the first idea.

Last ten SBs, all the teams to make it

Bucs - just took a HB in the first, also Cadillac Williams
Raiders- McFadden
Patriots - Maroney
Panthers - Stewart
Steelers - Mendenhall
Seahawks - Shaun Alexander
Colts- Donald Brown
Bears - Benson
Cardinals - Wells
Saints - Ingram

Only two teams have not taken a HB in the first that went to a SB, the eagles and the Packers

BlueSanta
04-27-2012, 03:42 PM
Lets take a look at this SB vs. HB in the first idea.

Last ten SBs, all the teams to make it

Bucs - just took a HB in the first, also Cadillac Williams
Raiders- McFadden
Patriots - Maroney
Panthers - Stewart
Steelers - Mendenhall
Seahawks - Shaun Alexander
Colts- Donald Brown
Bears - Benson
Cardinals - Wells
Saints - Ingram

Only two teams have not taken a HB in the first that went to a SB, the eagles and the Packers

Its pretty much impossible to argue those stats.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 03:46 PM
Packers last first round HB was in 1990, Eagles last 1st round HB was 1986.

One could potentially make the argument that unless the Packers current backs improve a ton, they may be looking at taking a HB in the first the next couple drafts.

Eagles have been lucky to find two very good Hbs, Westbrook in the 3rd, McCoy in the 2nd.

lawl
04-27-2012, 03:52 PM
Lets take a look at this SB vs. HB in the first idea.

Last ten SBs, all the teams to make it

Bucs - just took a HB in the first, also Cadillac Williams
Raiders- McFadden
Patriots - Maroney
Panthers - Stewart
Steelers - Mendenhall
Seahawks - Shaun Alexander
Colts- Donald Brown
Bears - Benson
Cardinals - Wells
Saints - Ingram

Only two teams have not taken a HB in the first that went to a SB, the eagles and the Packers

Only the steelers won with their new rb.

lawl
04-27-2012, 03:52 PM
Lets take a look at this SB vs. HB in the first idea.

Last ten SBs, all the teams to make it

Bucs - just took a HB in the first, also Cadillac Williams
Raiders- McFadden
Patriots - Maroney
Panthers - Stewart
Steelers - Mendenhall
Seahawks - Shaun Alexander
Colts- Donald Brown
Bears - Benson
Cardinals - Wells
Saints - Ingram

Only two teams have not taken a HB in the first that went to a SB, the eagles and the Packers

Only the steelers won with their new rb.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 03:57 PM
Only the steelers won with their new rb.

but almost all the teams who went to a SB thought HB was important enough a position to invest a first round pick

lawl
04-27-2012, 04:06 PM
Only the steelers won with their new rb.

but almost all the teams who went to a SB thought HB was important enough a position to invest a first round pick

And that great decision worked out so well for them huh?

Kruunch
04-27-2012, 04:14 PM
http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000405773/polls_image2_3109_55556_poll_xlarge.png

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 04:17 PM
And that great decision worked out so well for them huh?

yes, because drafting a HB in the first was clearly the reason none of those teams repeated?

lawl
04-27-2012, 07:23 PM
And that great decision worked out so well for them huh?

yes, because drafting a HB in the first was clearly the reason none of those teams repeated?

most of those guys had injury problems, have injury problems now,or are handcuffing they're team with they're new salary or some combination these 3. They used a first round pick on a player for 4 years of his career(or less) instead of having used that on a more valuable position that would have provided them with a higher chance of having said player for a longer period of time.

Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+. using that pick on a rb greatly reduces your chances of this happening. And on top of that it is a position of lesser value.

Coach Carter
04-28-2012, 09:13 AM
Worst thing I've ever seen Reese do.</P>


You've taken "what have you done for me lately" to new levels.* (Or depths)</P>


Dissapointed in you Lawl.</P>

Wow, we agree almost on everything except when it comes to Osi.

BlueSanta
04-28-2012, 06:49 PM
Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+.

Nope, not anymore. Go read the new CBA.

Restricted free agency is going to soon be a thing of the past. Rookies will hit the open market at the end of their rookie contracts, unlike past years.

People are underestimating the effect of the new CBA on the draft. I expect teams will shy away from having multiple 1st round picks in future years simply because its means 2 potential future stars, who they may want to resign after their rookie contracts, will hit the open market at the same time.

Take the brown for example. Lets say Trent Richardson works out for them and is awesome. Lets also say Weeden turns out to be a NFL star. Both these players will hit FA at the same time and the browns are very unlikely to resign both players to contracts they would demand. So gluck with that Clevenland.

lawl
04-29-2012, 12:38 AM
Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+.

Nope, not anymore. Go read the new CBA.

Restricted free agency is going to soon be a thing of the past. Rookies will hit the open market at the end of their rookie contracts, unlike past years.

People are underestimating the effect of the new CBA on the draft. I expect teams will shy away from having multiple 1st round picks in future years simply because its means 2 potential future stars, who they may want to resign after their rookie contracts, will hit the open* market at the same time.

Take the brown for example. Lets say Trent Richardson works out for them and is awesome. Lets also say Weeden turns out to be a NFL star. Both these players will hit FA at the same time and the browns are very unlikely to resign both players to contracts they would demand. So gluck with that Clevenland.


Giants always extend their own guys that perform great. Nicks and jpp are next in line

BlueSanta
04-29-2012, 03:19 AM
Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+.

Nope, not anymore. Go read the new CBA.

Restricted free agency is going to soon be a thing of the past. Rookies will hit the open market at the end of their rookie contracts, unlike past years.

People are underestimating the effect of the new CBA on the draft. I expect teams will shy away from having multiple 1st round picks in future years simply because its means 2 potential future stars, who they may want to resign after their rookie contracts, will hit the open market at the same time.

Take the brown for example. Lets say Trent Richardson works out for them and is awesome. Lets also say Weeden turns out to be a NFL star. Both these players will hit FA at the same time and the browns are very unlikely to resign both players to contracts they would demand. So gluck with that Clevenland.


Giants always extend their own guys that perform great. Nicks and jpp are next in line

That really has nothing to do with anything I said. The league changed with the new CBA.

1) You can no longer assume the salary cap will go up every yearand you will have room to resign them. It wont go up every year like it did prior.

2) You can no longer bank on restricted free agency to allow you to force other teams to overpay in order to take your good players who have yet to resign away from you . The Giants have always depended rather heavily on restricted free agency, that will have to change.

There is a reason there were 3 running backs taken in the 1st round this year and it has a LOT to do with these changes. Teams will no longer only draft guys for the long term since they cannot guarantee that a player will be with their team for the long term. 1 of the main reasons teams avoided drafting Rbs was because they do tend to have shorter careers.That no longer matters since , as I said, many teams will have to draft mainly for the short term or at least the term of a rookie contract. After that, the player can now leave if he so chooses and there is nothing a team can do about it.

JJC7301
04-30-2012, 01:04 AM
personally, I liked Glenn here, but we certainly needed a back, and he fits the bill. Running back is one of the simplest positions to work in, especially if he understands pass protection. We could get immediate production here.
I couldn't believe the Glenn dropped, but if the FO feels that Wilson, who is obviously is a skill player, is the real deal then I've got no problem with it.

Spizi
04-30-2012, 01:24 AM
And that great decision worked out so well for them huh?

yes, because drafting a HB in the first was clearly the reason none of those teams repeated?

most of those guys had injury problems, have injury problems now,or are handcuffing they're team with they're new salary or some combination these 3. They used a first round pick on a player for 4 years of his career(or less) instead of having used that on a more valuable position that would have provided them with a higher chance of having said player for a longer period of time.

Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+. using that pick on a rb greatly reduces your chances of this happening. And on top of that it is a position of lesser value.

But that doesn't matter because you sign a rookie for usually 4 years then you see if you can afford to sign them long term. Who's to say if we drafted Glenn that we would be able to afford him down the road anyway?

Kruunch
04-30-2012, 02:39 PM
Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+.

Nope, not anymore. Go read the new CBA.

Restricted free agency is going to soon be a thing of the past. Rookies will hit the open market at the end of their rookie contracts, unlike past years.

People are underestimating the effect of the new CBA on the draft. I expect teams will shy away from having multiple 1st round picks in future years simply because its means 2 potential future stars, who they may want to resign after their rookie contracts, will hit the open* market at the same time.

Take the brown for example. Lets say Trent Richardson works out for them and is awesome. Lets also say Weeden turns out to be a NFL star. Both these players will hit FA at the same time and the browns are very unlikely to resign both players to contracts they would demand. So gluck with that Clevenland.


I tend to agree with you here.

I think teams are quickly approaching a first contract only mentality.

lawl
05-01-2012, 12:37 PM
Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+.

Nope, not anymore. Go read the new CBA.

Restricted free agency is going to soon be a thing of the past. Rookies will hit the open market at the end of their rookie contracts, unlike past years.

People are underestimating the effect of the new CBA on the draft. I expect teams will shy away from having multiple 1st round picks in future years simply because its means 2 potential future stars, who they may want to resign after their rookie contracts, will hit the open* market at the same time.

Take the brown for example. Lets say Trent Richardson works out for them and is awesome. Lets also say Weeden turns out to be a NFL star. Both these players will hit FA at the same time and the browns are very unlikely to resign both players to contracts they would demand. So gluck with that Clevenland.


I tend to agree with you here.

I think teams are quickly approaching a first contract only mentality.

What he's saying makes sense. No doubt.

But this is the giants. I'm fully confident that if Wilson plays at a high level, we will pay him. Its just how our organization does business. We have extended both ab and Jacobs neither of which will likely perform to it. Most rbs do not play as well they're second contract. Be it injury or wear and tear. Its just how it is, and its one of the reasons that I do not like thee pick

lawl
05-01-2012, 12:39 PM
And that great decision worked out so well for them huh?

yes, because drafting a HB in the first was clearly the reason none of those teams repeated?

most of those guys had injury problems, have injury problems now,or are handcuffing they're team with they're new salary or some combination these 3. They used a first round pick on a player for 4 years of his career(or less) instead of having used that on a more valuable position that would have provided them with a higher chance of having said player for a longer period of time.

Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+. using that pick on a rb greatly reduces your chances of this happening. And on top of that it is a position of lesser value.

But that doesn't matter because you sign a rookie for usually 4 years then you see if you can afford to sign them long term. Who's to say if we drafted Glenn that we would be able to afford him down the road anyway?
a vast majority of the time, we resign our best players. Glenn has a much higher chance of playing longer for us at a higher level of play as well. I surmise this from typical positional lifetime in the NFL and that Glenn was higher on or board than Wilson.

BlueSanta
05-01-2012, 12:49 PM
And that great decision worked out so well for them huh?

yes, because drafting a HB in the first was clearly the reason none of those teams repeated?

most of those guys had injury problems, have injury problems now,or are handcuffing they're team with they're new salary or some combination these 3. They used a first round pick on a player for 4 years of his career(or less) instead of having used that on a more valuable position that would have provided them with a higher chance of having said player for a longer period of time.

Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+. using that pick on a rb greatly reduces your chances of this happening. And on top of that it is a position of lesser value.

But that doesn't matter because you sign a rookie for usually 4 years then you see if you can afford to sign them long term. Who's to say if we drafted Glenn that we would be able to afford him down the road anyway?
a vast majority of the time, we resign our best players.

I agree. We do try to resign our guys. The problem is, if you draft well, like we also tend to do, resigning all your good players becomes an near impossibility under the new system. Previously, restricted free agency to allowed you to match contracts or recieve draft picks for their being signed away from your team. Now, players just leave.

Furthermore, its about no longer having control. While we may want to resign all our good players, ultimately, the decision is up to the players now. Many players prefer to hit free agency and gamble on getting a skyhigh Al Davis , Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder contract offer in free agency. Franchise tag aside, we have no way of being assured of keeping our guys for longer than their rookie contracts. That loss of control was 1 of the major sticky points in the CBA talks last summer. The players won on that front and teams now have to adjust their strategy for the new NFL.


As far as Glenn goes, if he was higher on our board we would have selected him. I said pre draft he was the guy I wanted to drop to us. He did and we passed on him, as did a number of teams. I can only assume the GMs had info I did not. But, considering how he fell I think it is safe to say he was not higher.

lawl
05-01-2012, 05:31 PM
And that great decision worked out so well for them huh?

yes, because drafting a HB in the first was clearly the reason none of those teams repeated?

most of those guys had injury problems, have injury problems now,or are handcuffing they're team with they're new salary or some combination these 3. They used a first round pick on a player for 4 years of his career(or less) instead of having used that on a more valuable position that would have provided them with a higher chance of having said player for a longer period of time.

Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+. using that pick on a rb greatly reduces your chances of this happening. And on top of that it is a position of lesser value.

But that doesn't matter because you sign a rookie for usually 4 years then you see if you can afford to sign them long term. Who's to say if we drafted Glenn that we would be able to afford him down the road anyway?
a vast majority of the time, we resign our best players.

I agree. We do try to resign our guys. The problem is, if you draft well, like we also tend to do, resigning all your good players becomes an near impossibility under the new system. Previously, restricted free agency to allowed you to match contracts or recieve draft picks for their being signed away from your team. Now, players just leave.

Furthermore, its about no longer having control.* While we may want to resign all our good players, ultimately, the decision is up to the players now. Many players prefer to hit free agency and gamble on getting a skyhigh* Al Davis , Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder contract offer in free agency.* Franchise tag aside, we have no way of being assured of keeping our guys for longer than their rookie contracts. That loss of control was 1 of the major sticky points in the CBA talks last summer. The players won on that front and teams now have to adjust their strategy for the new NFL.


As far as Glenn goes, if he was higher on our board we would have selected him. I said pre draft he was the guy I wanted to drop to us. He did and we passed on him, as did a number of teams. I can only assume the GMs had info I did not. But, considering how he fell I think it is safe to say he was not higher.



Garafalo said they had Glenn higher but they considered Wilson a bigger need. For what its worth

lawl
05-01-2012, 05:31 PM
And that great decision worked out so well for them huh?

yes, because drafting a HB in the first was clearly the reason none of those teams repeated?

most of those guys had injury problems, have injury problems now,or are handcuffing they're team with they're new salary or some combination these 3. They used a first round pick on a player for 4 years of his career(or less) instead of having used that on a more valuable position that would have provided them with a higher chance of having said player for a longer period of time.

Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+. using that pick on a rb greatly reduces your chances of this happening. And on top of that it is a position of lesser value.

But that doesn't matter because you sign a rookie for usually 4 years then you see if you can afford to sign them long term. Who's to say if we drafted Glenn that we would be able to afford him down the road anyway?
a vast majority of the time, we resign our best players.

I agree. We do try to resign our guys. The problem is, if you draft well, like we also tend to do, resigning all your good players becomes an near impossibility under the new system. Previously, restricted free agency to allowed you to match contracts or recieve draft picks for their being signed away from your team. Now, players just leave.

Furthermore, its about no longer having control.* While we may want to resign all our good players, ultimately, the decision is up to the players now. Many players prefer to hit free agency and gamble on getting a skyhigh* Al Davis , Jerry Jones or Dan Snyder contract offer in free agency.* Franchise tag aside, we have no way of being assured of keeping our guys for longer than their rookie contracts. That loss of control was 1 of the major sticky points in the CBA talks last summer. The players won on that front and teams now have to adjust their strategy for the new NFL.


As far as Glenn goes, if he was higher on our board we would have selected him. I said pre draft he was the guy I wanted to drop to us. He did and we passed on him, as did a number of teams. I can only assume the GMs had info I did not. But, considering how he fell I think it is safe to say he was not higher.



Garafalo said they had Glenn higher but they considered Wilson a bigger need. For what its worth.

I'm at work so don't think i'm ignoring the rest of the post

Kruunch
05-01-2012, 05:48 PM
Players drafted in the first round are supposed to be stalwarts for 8 yrs+.

Nope, not anymore. Go read the new CBA.

Restricted free agency is going to soon be a thing of the past. Rookies will hit the open market at the end of their rookie contracts, unlike past years.

People are underestimating the effect of the new CBA on the draft. I expect teams will shy away from having multiple 1st round picks in future years simply because its means 2 potential future stars, who they may want to resign after their rookie contracts, will hit the open* market at the same time.

Take the brown for example. Lets say Trent Richardson works out for them and is awesome. Lets also say Weeden turns out to be a NFL star. Both these players will hit FA at the same time and the browns are very unlikely to resign both players to contracts they would demand. So gluck with that Clevenland.


I tend to agree with you here.

I think teams are quickly approaching a first contract only mentality.

What he's saying makes sense. No doubt.

But this is the giants. I'm fully confident that if Wilson plays at a high level, we will pay him. Its just how our organization does business. We have extended both ab and Jacobs neither of which will likely perform to it. Most rbs do not play as well they're second contract. Be it injury or wear and tear. Its just how it is, and its one of the reasons that I do not like thee pick

That's a bit of generalization.

We extended AB and Jacobs but neither commanded top dollar.

We didn't extend Boss or Smith although we tried to for almost nothing.

We let MM and Ross walk away completely.

The Giants extend those they feel make financial sense to (hence all the Osi hooplah).

If Wilson is as good as Forte there is a good chance we let him walk if he's looking for $8 mil+ a year.

Second contracts are up to the player as much as the team looking to re-sign them.

RE Glenn: He was rated SLIGHTLY higher on the Giants boards. Not enough to make a measurable difference (that was according to JR).