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LoveRack
04-27-2012, 12:11 AM
hope thay didnt just use a 1st rd pick for a kick returner,,,

jppmvp90
04-27-2012, 12:12 AM
one of the worst picks i can recall

myles2424
04-27-2012, 12:13 AM
one of the worst picks i can recall

Why is that?

Pageiommi
04-27-2012, 12:14 AM
How big is MJD or Darren Sproles?

buddy33
04-27-2012, 12:14 AM
Ray Rice, MJD, and Bradshaw.

JMFP2
04-27-2012, 12:14 AM
I'm liking this pick by Reese.....dude is shifty and fast.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 12:15 AM
Because taller HBs are better?

buddy33
04-27-2012, 12:15 AM
one of the worst picks i can recall

Why is that?

Don't you knownReese can not pick talent and even though he has yet to make a play in the NFL he stinks already?

LoveRack
04-27-2012, 12:15 AM
How big is MJD or Darren Sproles?


yea those rbs are like 220/235 lbs this guy is 206 lbs,, even tiki barber was 230 lbs

Toadofsteel
04-27-2012, 12:15 AM
It seems to be the future of the running game... midgets can get under other players more easily... big RBs just get chopped off at the legs.

buddy33
04-27-2012, 12:15 AM
I'm liking this pick by Reese.....dude is shifty and fast.

Runs physical too. That is the Giants way.

NYGinIN
04-27-2012, 12:15 AM
Well now hoooooold onto yerself slick, let's just see where this goes. whawahwahwah

smashndash715
04-27-2012, 12:17 AM
darren sproles weighs 190 so what are you talking about

Vtgmenfan89
04-27-2012, 12:17 AM
Look at it this way....who was going to play after Bradshaw on 3rd down? Bradshaw being later in his career and not as fast as when we drafted him, has turned into the power back of this offense. He even put on 15-20 pounds last year, so we need a fast RB for 3rd downs. Was DJ Ware or a late round pick really going to get it done? I don't love the pick, but I'm not passing total judgment on it yet. You can't really at this point, who knows maybe this guy puts up Sproles esque numbers. He finishes runs and has very very good speed. We'll see how we use him, looking forward to remaining rounds

julez
04-27-2012, 12:18 AM
are you kidding me?
shorter running backs means a lower center of gravity= harder to tackle

buddy33
04-27-2012, 12:21 AM
How big is MJD or Darren Sproles?


yea those rbs are like 220/235 lbs this guy is 206 lbs,, even tiki barber was 230 lbs

Ray Rice is 5'8 212.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 12:22 AM
How big is MJD or Darren Sproles?


yea those rbs are like 220/235 lbs this guy is 206 lbs,, even tiki barber was 230 lbs

Lets take a look at what nfl.com says.

MJD - 208
Sproles - 190
TIki - 205

Bradshaw came into the league at 198 pounds.

You assume first that everyone is huge, when they arent, then you assume that nobody can gain weight, when they can.

JMFP2
04-27-2012, 12:24 AM
How big is MJD or Darren Sproles? yea those rbs are like 220/235 lbs this guy is 206 lbs,, even tiki barber was 230 lbs Ray Rice is 5'8 212.</P>


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Totally..... you want a RB that is short, but solid.</P>

Axels15
04-27-2012, 12:24 AM
Wilson is 5'10"

gmen0820
04-27-2012, 12:25 AM
Shady McCoy potential. We need a beast RB, you only get that early in the draft.

tittletoshofner
04-27-2012, 12:25 AM
Joe Morris

miked1958
04-27-2012, 12:26 AM
In Reese I trust. But still would of liked Upshaw though

DVision
04-27-2012, 12:27 AM
LeSean McCoy - 5'11" 208

Last I checked he's pretty good!

miked1958
04-27-2012, 12:27 AM
Joe MorrisAgree

Talorin2
04-27-2012, 12:28 AM
Because size obviously makes you a beast. Can someone tell that to Jacobs?

GMENAGAIN
04-27-2012, 12:28 AM
How big is MJD or Darren Sproles? yea those rbs are like 220/235 lbs this guy is 206 lbs,, even tiki barber was 230 lbs</P>


You have no idea what you are talking about. Tiki Barber wasn't anywhere near 230 lbs</P>

BlueSanta
04-27-2012, 12:32 AM
4 questions:

Who led the league in rushing last year?

How tall is he?


Who was 2nd in the league in rushing and how tall is he?

Here are 2 links if you dont know the answers..

Answer #1&amp; 2 (http://www.nfl.com/player/mauricejones-drew/2495831/profile)

Answer #3&amp;4 (http://www.nfl.com/player/rayrice/941/profile)

Im done with you.

BlueBlooded1979
04-27-2012, 12:41 AM
I'm liking this pick by Reese.....dude is shifty and fast.

Runs physical too. That is the Giants way.

Fumbling must be the Giants way too because that is what this guy does. He also can't protect or run routes. Not necessary for the Giants way either I guess.

Late in the second this guy is fine. 1st rounders should play and he will play ST and run the ball 5 times.

bflo23
04-27-2012, 12:42 AM
hope thay didnt just use a 1st rd pick for a kick returner,,,

Ahmad Bradshaw is 5'10" and weighs 209 pounds.

David Wison isn't 5'8".... He is actually 5'9 5/8" and weighs 206 pounds.

Look at the Wilson youtube video and tell me he runs like a midget... He is running people over and breaking ton of tackles.

gian_18778
04-27-2012, 12:43 AM
I'm liking this pick by Reese.....dude is shifty and fast.

Runs physical too. That is the Giants way.

+1

It jumps out at you when you look at the film.

Tommy_Ribs
04-27-2012, 12:55 AM
How big is MJD or Darren Sproles?


yea those rbs are like 220/235 lbs this guy is 206 lbs,, even tiki barber was 230 lbs

Tiki was not 230, he was 215-220, and he was 200/205 pounds when he was drafted. Wilson is 20 years old. He can get another 5-10 pounds of muscle on his frame.

michaelkhan3
04-27-2012, 12:59 AM
hope thay didnt just use a 1st rd pick for a kick returner,,,

He is 5'10 and by no means a midget. Get your facts straight before you go abusing the players

Shockeystays08
04-27-2012, 01:03 AM
Joe Morris

+1

Shockeystays08
04-27-2012, 01:04 AM
hope thay didnt just use a 1st rd pick for a kick returner,,,

He is 5'10 and by no means a midget. Get your facts straight before you go abusing the players


Ditto!

THE_New_York_Giants
04-27-2012, 01:05 AM
Tiki was always listed at 5'10, but I think in reality he was closer to 5'8 1/2"

Morehead State
04-27-2012, 01:08 AM
hope thay didnt just use a 1st rd pick for a kick returner,,,</P>


Ray Rice: 5' 8" 212 lbs.</P>


MJD: 5' 7" 208 lbs.</P>

King Sully
04-27-2012, 01:19 AM
How big is MJD or Darren Sproles?


yea those rbs are like 220/235 lbs this guy is 206 lbs,, even tiki barber was 230 lbs

lmao you are sadly mistaken.

King Sully
04-27-2012, 01:20 AM
How big is MJD or Darren Sproles?


yea those rbs are like 220/235 lbs this guy is 206 lbs,, even tiki barber was 230 lbs

lmao you are sadly mistaken.

tiki was barely over 200

GMenNY21
04-27-2012, 01:26 AM
LeSean McCoy - 5'11" 208 Last I checked he's pretty good!That's who hereminds me of a lot

myles2424
04-27-2012, 02:52 AM
I'm liking this pick by Reese.....dude is shifty and fast.

Runs physical too. That is the Giants way.

Fumbling must be the Giants way too because that is what this guy does. He also can't protect or run routes. Not necessary for the Giants way either I guess.

Late in the second this guy is fine. 1st rounders should play and he will play ST and run the ball 5 times. I've seen you openly dislike & say Wilson was a wasted pick.....I'd like to see you show how passionate you are about your dislike for Wilson & include this in you sig somehow and midseason we'll look back and judge....

GiantPride27
04-27-2012, 09:12 AM
How big is MJD or Darren Sproles?


yea those rbs are like 220/235 lbs this guy is 206 lbs,, even tiki barber was 230 lbs

dude tiki was like 195 most of his career then bulked to 205 in the final couple years

Redeyejedi
04-27-2012, 09:15 AM
LeSean McCoy - 5'11" 208 Last I checked he's pretty good!That's who he*reminds me of a lotI liked Mccoy more coming out.Better receiver , Shiftier player. Graded him as a First Rounder

THE_New_York_Giants
04-27-2012, 12:16 PM
LeSean McCoy - 5'11" 208 Last I checked he's pretty good!That's who he*reminds me of a lotI liked Mccoy more coming out.Better receiver , Shiftier player. Graded him as a First Rounder

I don't know how one can be shiftier than David Wilson. He's coming into a system with a great coaching staff. He will do fine.

NewYorkSwagg
04-27-2012, 12:21 PM
I mean I think the guy is talented, but we could've picked him in the second round that's all I'm saying.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 12:23 PM
LeSean McCoy - 5'11" 208 Last I checked he's pretty good!That's who he*reminds me of a lotI liked Mccoy more coming out.Better receiver , Shiftier player. Graded him as a First Rounder

I would agree with that. McCoy has incredible lateral movement, that jump cut he makes is completely unlike anything Ive ever seen from Wilson on tape. Wilson is, at least at this point, a much more linear runner.

Kruunch
04-27-2012, 12:25 PM
I heard Dave Wilson was 3'2", 530 lbs and does a mean cha cha.

http://boards.giants.com/emoticons/emotion-43.gif

CGYgiant
04-27-2012, 12:27 PM
LeSean McCoy - 5'11" 208 Last I checked he's pretty good!That's who hereminds me of a lotI liked Mccoy more coming out.Better receiver , Shiftier player. Graded him as a First Rounder

redeye have you posted any videos of this guy?

Kruunch
04-27-2012, 12:31 PM
I'm liking this pick by Reese.....dude is shifty and fast.

Runs physical too. That is the Giants way.

Fumbling must be the Giants way too because that is what this guy does. He also can't protect or run routes. Not necessary for the Giants way either I guess.

Late in the second this guy is fine. 1st rounders should play and he will play ST and run the ball 5 times.

Joe Morris, Tiki Barber and Bradshaw all had fumbling issues. I think we can deal with them.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 12:32 PM
redeye have you posted any videos of this guy?


Vs Virginia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpNB4ZzTLBk

Vs. Clemson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXCcr6FN-SM

Vs. Wake Forest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvtU3ELVStE

Kruunch
04-27-2012, 12:32 PM
LeSean McCoy - 5'11" 208 Last I checked he's pretty good!That's who he*reminds me of a lotI liked Mccoy more coming out.Better receiver , Shiftier player. Graded him as a First Rounder

redeye have you posted any videos of this guy?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bO123KOEM

OP needs to do his homework.

Kruunch
04-27-2012, 12:35 PM
LeSean McCoy - 5'11" 208 Last I checked he's pretty good!That's who he*reminds me of a lotI liked Mccoy more coming out.Better receiver , Shiftier player. Graded him as a First Rounder

I agree about the receiving part ... partially about the shiftiness.

I think Wilson has better balance than McCoy. Both have excellent vision.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 12:37 PM
I agree about the receiving part ... partially about the shiftiness.

I think Wilson has better balance than McCoy. Both have excellent vision.

Wilson has better balance is and is more physical of a runner. McCoy much more lateral runner.

Kruunch
04-27-2012, 12:38 PM
I agree about the receiving part ... partially about the shiftiness.

I think Wilson has better balance than McCoy. Both have excellent vision.

Wilson has better balance is and is more physical of a runner. McCoy much more lateral runner.

Yep yep ... and I agree with the comment you made about McCoy's jump cut.

CGYgiant
04-27-2012, 12:38 PM
redeye have you posted any videos of this guy?


Vs Virginia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gpNB4ZzTLBk

Vs. Clemson http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXCcr6FN-SM

Vs. Wake Forest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvtU3ELVStE

Thanks, this guy is the most explosive back in this draft IMO

nevada11
04-27-2012, 12:47 PM
LeSean McCoy - 5'11" 208 Last I checked he's pretty good!That's who he*reminds me of a lotI liked Mccoy more coming out.Better receiver , Shiftier player. Graded him as a First Rounder

I would agree with that. McCoy has incredible lateral movement, that jump cut he makes is completely unlike anything Ive ever seen from Wilson on tape. Wilson is, at least at this point, a much more linear runner.

If you are comparing him to mccoy, maybe. But that is like comparing other pro bowl defensive ends to JPP or Ware and say "they are much more linear coming off the edge"

But wilson is not a linear guy. He can change directions extremely fast and show great stop-and-start skills

Kruunch
04-27-2012, 12:55 PM
LeSean McCoy - 5'11" 208 Last I checked he's pretty good!That's who he*reminds me of a lotI liked Mccoy more coming out.Better receiver , Shiftier player. Graded him as a First Rounder

I would agree with that. McCoy has incredible lateral movement, that jump cut he makes is completely unlike anything Ive ever seen from Wilson on tape. Wilson is, at least at this point, a much more linear runner.

If you are comparing him to mccoy, maybe. But that is like comparing other pro bowl defensive ends to JPP or Ware and say "they are much more linear coming off the edge"

But wilson is not a linear guy. He can change directions extremely fast and show great stop-and-start skills

Despite the highlight of Wilson doing the Three Stooges play cutting across the field three times, generally speaking he's more of a north/south runner and his cuts are very angular (he's almost always going forward).

McCoy has a freakish jump cut where he goes totally lateral (and even backwards) instantly that Wilson (and virtually every other RB in the NFL) doesn't have.

Wilson doesn't remind me of McCoy at all. He reminds me of Ray Rice if anyone because of his freakish balance (just wish he had Rice's hands out of the backfield).

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 01:45 PM
If you are comparing him to mccoy, maybe. But that is like comparing other pro bowl defensive ends to JPP or Ware and say "they are much more linear coming off the edge"

But wilson is not a linear guy. He can change directions extremely fast and show great stop-and-start skills

Trying to compare them coming out. Wilson is a pretty linear runner, he does not have any sudden lateral moves, if you watch his cut backs, he stops his feet, turns then starts running again. McCoy Ive never seen do that, McCoy its all one motion, quick jump cut and explode. Ive been looking for a clip where Wilson was going forward and while going forward moved explosively laterally, and I havent found any.

Do I think you need to have that McCoy jump cut to be successful? definately not. But I just dont see McCoy as a suitable comparison to Wilson because of that.

nevada11
04-27-2012, 01:46 PM
Hes not mccoy i know

My problem is that I just do not think he is "linear" either.

nevada11
04-27-2012, 01:47 PM
If you are comparing him to mccoy, maybe. But that is like comparing other pro bowl defensive ends to JPP or Ware and say "they are much more linear coming off the edge"

But wilson is not a linear guy. He can change directions extremely fast and show great stop-and-start skills

Trying to compare them coming out. Wilson is a pretty linear runner, he does not have any sudden lateral moves, if you watch his cut backs, he stops his feet, turns then starts running again. McCoy Ive never seen do that, McCoy its all one motion, quick jump cut and explode.

Do I think you need to have that McCoy jump cut to be successful, definately not. But I just dont see McCoy as a suitable comparison to Wilson because of that.

i think the stopping feet on cutback is hesitation and indecesiveness

ive seen him change directions at full speed in some of his highlights. he aint mccoy but i wouldnt call him linear either

thats just my opinion

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 01:56 PM
i think the stopping feet on cutback is hesitation and indecesiveness
Thats certainly some of it, he does quite a bit of dancing behind the line.


ive seen him change directions at full speed in some of his highlights. he aint mccoy but i wouldnt call him linear either

thats just my opinion

I dont think hes as linear as a guy like a Donald Brown, and the explosion he has can compensate for some of it because it gives him the advantage in angles, but I dont see him as laterally explosive. But I dont think Jamaal Charles was particularly laterally explosive coming out either.

If he can work on that though, it will just completely highlight his strength, set up defenders in position where all they can do is try arm tackles, then just run through them.

RoanokeFan
04-27-2012, 01:58 PM
hope thay didnt just use a 1st rd pick for a kick returner,,,

What does height have to to with running the ball and what do you have against midgets?

giantsforce
04-27-2012, 02:14 PM
hope thay didnt just use a 1st rd pick for a kick returner,,,So, if he turns out to be the next Hester would you still think it was a bad pick?

THE_New_York_Giants
04-27-2012, 02:15 PM
hope thay didnt just use a 1st rd pick for a kick returner,,,So, if he turns out to be the next Hester would you still think it was a bad pick?

kick returner is probably the Giants biggest need.

THE_New_York_Giants
04-27-2012, 02:15 PM
hope thay didnt just use a 1st rd pick for a kick returner,,,So, if he turns out to be the next Hester would you still think it was a bad pick?

kick returner is probably the Giants biggest need.

King Sully
04-27-2012, 02:15 PM
hope thay didnt just use a 1st rd pick for a kick returner,,,

What does height have to to with running the ball and what do you have against midgets?



lol

Kruunch
04-27-2012, 02:26 PM
hope thay didnt just use a 1st rd pick for a kick returner,,,

What does height have to to with running the ball and what do you have against midgets?


Haven't you heard? Short people ain't got nobody.

Kruunch
04-27-2012, 02:27 PM
hope thay didnt just use a 1st rd pick for a kick returner,,,So, if he turns out to be the next Hester would you still think it was a bad pick?


Considering 75% of kickoffs now end up in touch backs and might be getting phased out altogether if that's all he turned out to be then yes, I'd be disappointed.

Hester is extremely mediocre outside of his kick returning abilities.

HAMMERHEDD
04-27-2012, 05:35 PM
Tiki was about 210 at his heaviest playing weight. He was about 180 when he was drafted. Please get your facts right.

RoanokeFan
04-27-2012, 05:59 PM
hope thay didnt just use a 1st rd pick for a kick returner,,,

What does height have to to with running the ball and what do you have against midgets?


Haven't you heard? Short people ain't got nobody.

Well done!

NY4U2
04-27-2012, 06:03 PM
hope thay didnt just use a 1st rd pick for a kick returner,,,

you prolly didnt see this lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bO123KOEM&amp;feature=related (http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1bO123KOEM&amp;feature=related)

HAMMERHEDD
04-27-2012, 06:09 PM
Tiki was about 210 at his heaviest playing weight. He was about 180 when he was drafted. Please get your facts right.I need to correct myself. His rookie card indicates he was 195. I couldn't find his college playing weight. He was listed as 205 at his heaviest, from what I could find.