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Overdrive92
04-27-2012, 01:14 AM
I'm a little surprised, but almost all of the analysts LOVE the pick we made. They said it was a brilliant move by Jerry Reese.

Mike Mayock said it was an "absolutely great pick by the Giants".

The Czar at FoxSports says "Jerry Reese doesn’t miss a trick. Sensing a run on running backs, Reese tabbed Virgina Tech’s David Wilson with the last pick in the first round."

ESPN analysts seem to like the pick too. The reception seems to be overwhelmingly positive.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 01:23 AM
Its funny when the giants came on the clock, Mayock says

"Well the giants always try to go BPA, so we have guys like David Wilson..."

First guy out of his mouth as the BPA was the guy the giants took.

DemandedAce
04-27-2012, 01:24 AM
He's a very good player I think people around here just got so convinced we were going with fleener or even Glenn. The guys are still up on the board and I think well be happy with him in the end I see plenty of upside

BurnerNYG
04-27-2012, 01:28 AM
Well they either gotta roll with Reese's decisions and like his picks or continue looking like clueless dimwits. I think they threw in the towel.

G-Men Surg.
04-27-2012, 01:32 AM
He has the making to do great thing in this offensive scheme and to be in the mixture for years to come, it's incredible he is only 20 years old and it looks like he has room to grow. I think fans always have their favorites players to choose in the draft but make no mistake, I will say it again, IMPACT PLAYER, this kid is the real deal and will be productive running the ball and in ST.

TheEnigma
04-27-2012, 01:33 AM
Call me nuts here but I think Reese is now entering what I call "Belichick world". What I mean by that is you will see experts and analysts praise every little thing he does in the draft. He's always been a good GM and Giants fans have known this for a few years but now that he is known to the public, he's going to get more praise on moves than he should.

Is the David Wilson pick bad? Not at all.

Is it "excellent"? I think that's a bit much personally and there were much better moves by GM's this year in round 1 so far.

BurnerNYG
04-27-2012, 01:40 AM
Call me nuts here but I think Reese is now entering what I call "Belichick world". What I mean by that is you will see experts and analysts praise every little thing he does in the draft. He's always been a good GM and Giants fans have known this for a few years but now that he is known to the public, he's going to get more praise on moves than he should.

Is the David Wilson pick bad? Not at all.

Is it "excellent"? I think that's a bit much personally and there were much better moves by GM's this year in round 1 so far.I agree and like you said, I believe that they're gonna start praising his misses as well. I thought we would go Oline but I'm not upset about this pick at all. Bradshaw needs somebody spell him, Ware isn't exactly what you would call explosive and apparently Scott has some fumbling issues.

Drez
04-27-2012, 01:42 AM
Call me nuts here but I think Reese is now entering what I call "Belichick world". What I mean by that is you will see experts and analysts praise every little thing he does in the draft. He's always been a good GM and Giants fans have known this for a few years but now that he is known to the public, he's going to get more praise on moves than he should.

Is the David Wilson pick bad? Not at all.

Is it "excellent"? I think that's a bit much personally and there were much better moves by GM's this year in round 1 so far.

But, you have to ask was there an "excellent" pick to be made at 32 or just a bunch of "good" ones?

Drez
04-27-2012, 01:43 AM
...and apparently Scott has some fumbling issues.
Unfortunately, so does Wilson.

TheBookOfEli
04-27-2012, 01:43 AM
Its funny when the giants came on the clock, Mayock says

"Well the giants always try to go BPA, so we have guys like David Wilson..."

First guy out of his mouth as the BPA was the guy the giants took.

Mike Mayock knows his stuff.

Overdrive92
04-27-2012, 01:44 AM
...and apparently Scott has some fumbling issues.
Unfortunately, so does Wilson.


That doesn't worry me.

Bradshaw had some fumbling issues a couple years ago too. Then, Master Coughlin laid down the law and how many fumbles did Bradshaw have last year? 1. If anyone can fix the fumbling problem, it's Sensei Coughlin.

TheEnigma
04-27-2012, 01:46 AM
But, you have to ask was there an "excellent" pick to be made at 32 or just a bunch of "good" ones?
The Giants left themselves in a situation where good value wasn't present at 32. While I personally like Fleener and a few others at the spot instead, Wilson isn't that bad of an alternative BUT...We do know that at one point, the Giants were looking to trade back into the 2nd but they didn't succeed.

Reese did OK, so-so, average, not excellent IMO

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 01:51 AM
The Giants left themselves in a situation where good value wasn't present at 32.

Dont agree with that. Giants dont determine what value there is at 32, the draft does.

Reese said before the draft that he felt the back end of the first round the players were all very similar and that most were 2nd round type players.

BurnerNYG
04-27-2012, 01:54 AM
...and apparently Scott has some fumbling issues.
Unfortunately, so does Wilson.
Trust me, you guys probably know a lot more about these college kids than I do. I didn't follow the season last year like I usually do and VTech being a personal top 5 favorite school of mine, I'm shocked and disappointed in myself for not even knowing who Wilson is... I'm slipping. I heard thru the grapevine that we were actually targeting Martin. Well anyway, who knows...maybe they're searching for a return specialist/all around player like Tiki's early years.

TheEnigma
04-27-2012, 01:56 AM
Dont agree with that. Giants dont determine what value there is at 32, the draft does.

Reese said before the draft that he felt the back end of the first round the players were all very similar and that most were 2nd round type players.I understand that and I'm not saying they do but what I'm saying is that Reese failed to move up or down where better value was present. We know Reese wanted to move back but he wasn't able to and so, he failed there.

I just don't agree with calling the drafting of David Wilson at 32 an excellent and brilliant move when there were much better selections in the draft.

slipknottin
04-27-2012, 02:02 AM
We know Reese wanted to move back but he wasn't able to and so, he failed there.
Eh? How is no other team willing to trade up Reese's fault?


I just don't agree with calling the drafting of David Wilson at 32 an excellent and brilliant move when there were much better selections in the draft.

Giants felt there would be a run on HBs, and by the time they picked again, the good ones would all be gone, so they took the Hb they had rated the highest.

At a position they feel was both a need and didnt have a ton of depth after the 2nd round, it is a decision they probably had to make.

TheEnigma
04-27-2012, 02:08 AM
We know Reese wanted to move back but he wasn't able to and so, he failed there.
Eh? How is no other team willing to trade up Reese's fault?


I just don't agree with calling the drafting of David Wilson at 32 an excellent and brilliant move when there were much better selections in the draft.

Giants felt there would be a run on HBs, and by the time they picked again, the good ones would all be gone, so they took the Hb they had rated the highest.

At a position they feel was both a need and didnt have a ton of depth after the 2nd round, it is a decision they probably had to make.It's not entirely his fault but part of being a GM is being able to convince another team to accept a trade, is it not? He wasn't able to so he didn't succeed.

So what you're saying is that Reese and co. decided to take Wilson because they thought the RB talent level would drop tremendously in round 2 when teams pick more RB's? Makes sense I suppose but it's premature to call this pick excellent then. We'll see tomorrow then.

G-Men Surg.
04-27-2012, 02:13 AM
• Mayock's position-by-position rankings
With the 2012 NFL Draft nearly here, Mike Mayock has unveiled his top 100 prospect rankings.


Build your own mock draft:
Predict The Pick allows you to be the draft expert and project the first round of the 2012 NFL Draft. The more picks you get right, the higher your score. Compete against friends in a private league or join a public league. Play now ...
1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
3. Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
4. Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
5. Matt Kalil, OT, Southern California
6. Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College
7. Mark Barron, SS, Alabama
8. Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina
9. Chandler Jones, DE, Syracuse
10. Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

11. Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State
12. Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
13. Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
14. Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State
15. Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama
16. Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
17. Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
18. Melvin Ingram, OLB, South Carolina
19. Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
20. Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa

21. Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
22. Whitney Mercilus, OLB, Illinois
23. Courtney Upshaw, DE, Alabama
24. David DeCastro, G, Stanford
25. Cordy Glenn, OT, Georgia
26. Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State
27. Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
28. Harrison Smith, SS, Notre Dame
29. Michael Brockers, DT, LSU
30. Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall

31. Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin
32. Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech
33. David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech
34. Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
35. Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma State
36. Jeff Allen, OT, Illinois
37. Amini Silatolu, G, Midwestern State
38. Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
39. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
40. Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin

NFL.com's Mock Draft Central
With the draft quickly approaching, NFL.com analysts unveil their attempts at projecting how Round 1 will go on April 26. More ...
41. Bruce Irvin, DE, West Virginia
42. Devon Still, DT, Penn State
43. Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson
44. Bobby Massie, OT, Mississippi
45. Trumaine Johnson, CB, Montana
46. Lavonte David, OLB, Nebraska
47. Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson
48. Josh Robinson, CB, Central Florida
49. Nick Perry, DE, Southern California
50. Cam Johnson, DE, Virginia

51. Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
52. Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State
53. Andre Branch, OLB, Clemson
54. Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
55. Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
56. Kendall Reyes, DT, Connecticut
57. A.J. Jenkins, WR, Illinois
58. Josh Norman, CB, Coastal Carolina
59. Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincinnati
60. T.Y. Hilton, WR, Florida International

61. Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia
62. Mitchell Schwartz, OT, California
63. Rueben Randle, WR, LSU
64. Alameda Ta'amu, DT, Washington
65. Brandon Taylor, SS, LSU
66. Kelechi Osemele, G, Iowa State
67. Kirk Cousins, QB, Michigan State
68. Olivier Vernon, DE, Miami
69. Mychal Kendricks, ILB, California
70. Mike Martin, DT, Michigan

71. LaMichael James, RB, Oregon
72. Brock Osweiler, QB, Arizona State
73. Tyrone Crawford, DE, Boise State
74. Ronnell Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma
75. Dwight Bentley, CB, Louisiana-Lafayette
76. Brandon Brooks, G, Miami (Ohio)
77. Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati
78. Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
79. Philip Blake, C, Baylor
80. DeQuan Menzie, FS, Alabama

81. Sean Spence, OLB, Miami
82. Lamar Miller, RB, Miami
83. Billy Winn, DE, Boise State
84. Jonathan Massaquoi, DE, Troy
85. Ben Jones, C, Georgia
86. Demario Davis, OLB, Arkansas State
87. Leonard Johnson, CB, Iowa State
88. Bernard Pierce, RB, Temple
89. Marvin Jones, WR, California
90. Jamell Fleming, CB, Oklahoma

91. Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
92. Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
93. Chris Polk, RB, Washington
94. Frank Alexander, DE, Oklahoma
95. Trevor Guyton, DE, California
96. Donald Stephenson, OT, Oklahoma
97. Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma
98. Bobby Wagner, OLB, Utah State
99. Robert Turbin, RB, Utah State
100. Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina




Once and for all for those who think he wasn't the BPA Mayock had him at 33. Reese just can't make it matter than this . Equal value vs. Need.

rainierjef
04-27-2012, 02:13 AM
Dont agree with that. Giants dont determine what value there is at 32, the draft does.

Reese said before the draft that he felt the back end of the first round the players were all very similar and that most were 2nd round type players.I understand that and I'm not saying they do but what I'm saying is that Reese failed to move up or down where better value was present. We know Reese wanted to move back but he wasn't able to and so, he failed there.

I just don't agree with calling the drafting of David Wilson at 32 an excellent and brilliant move when there were much better selections in the draft.

exactly if he was this brilliant pick, why even entertain moving back when there's a chance of losing him? did the giants try to trade back the year they drafted JPP? i feel that its a good pick not a great or BPA pick and that the move by TB altered what essentially we were going to do whether
that be

1. taking Martin
2. taking Fleener or someone else ov equal or greater value cause outside of Richardson no one else picked a RB so that kind of meant what the analyst said had some truth to it, that RB's are not valued as high and that a good guy would be available in the 2nd close to or where we picked.
3. maybe we did had offers for a trade back but once TB traded up and took Martin those trade offers rescinded

we will never know. i think im going to go back to having a blind eye to the draft and the prospect, cause now that i know alot or more than i knew last year via whatever videos i got from Redeye, every pick is going to seem painful and not the right one.

this is your fault redeye

rainierjef
04-27-2012, 02:16 AM
• Mayock's position-by-position rankings
With the 2012 NFL Draft nearly here, Mike Mayock has unveiled his top 100 prospect rankings.


Build your own mock draft:
Predict The Pick allows you to be the draft expert and project the first round of the 2012 NFL Draft. The more picks you get right, the higher your score. Compete against friends in a private league or join a public league. Play now ...
1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
3. Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
4. Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
5. Matt Kalil, OT, Southern California
6. Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College
7. Mark Barron, SS, Alabama
8. Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina
9. Chandler Jones, DE, Syracuse
10. Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

11. Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State
12. Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
13. Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
14. Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State
15. Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama
16. Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
17. Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
18. Melvin Ingram, OLB, South Carolina
19. Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
20. Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa

21. Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
22. Whitney Mercilus, OLB, Illinois
23. Courtney Upshaw, DE, Alabama
24. David DeCastro, G, Stanford
25. Cordy Glenn, OT, Georgia
26. Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State
27. Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
28. Harrison Smith, SS, Notre Dame
29. Michael Brockers, DT, LSU
30. Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall

31. Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin
32. Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech
33. David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech
34. Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
35. Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma State
36. Jeff Allen, OT, Illinois
37. Amini Silatolu, G, Midwestern State
38. Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
39. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
40. Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin

NFL.com's Mock Draft Central
With the draft quickly approaching, NFL.com analysts unveil their attempts at projecting how Round 1 will go on April 26. More ...
41. Bruce Irvin, DE, West Virginia
42. Devon Still, DT, Penn State
43. Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson
44. Bobby Massie, OT, Mississippi
45. Trumaine Johnson, CB, Montana
46. Lavonte David, OLB, Nebraska
47. Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson
48. Josh Robinson, CB, Central Florida
49. Nick Perry, DE, Southern California
50. Cam Johnson, DE, Virginia

51. Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
52. Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State
53. Andre Branch, OLB, Clemson
54. Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
55. Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
56. Kendall Reyes, DT, Connecticut
57. A.J. Jenkins, WR, Illinois
58. Josh Norman, CB, Coastal Carolina
59. Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincinnati
60. T.Y. Hilton, WR, Florida International

61. Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia
62. Mitchell Schwartz, OT, California
63. Rueben Randle, WR, LSU
64. Alameda Ta'amu, DT, Washington
65. Brandon Taylor, SS, LSU
66. Kelechi Osemele, G, Iowa State
67. Kirk Cousins, QB, Michigan State
68. Olivier Vernon, DE, Miami
69. Mychal Kendricks, ILB, California
70. Mike Martin, DT, Michigan

71. LaMichael James, RB, Oregon
72. Brock Osweiler, QB, Arizona State
73. Tyrone Crawford, DE, Boise State
74. Ronnell Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma
75. Dwight Bentley, CB, Louisiana-Lafayette
76. Brandon Brooks, G, Miami (Ohio)
77. Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati
78. Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
79. Philip Blake, C, Baylor
80. DeQuan Menzie, FS, Alabama

81. Sean Spence, OLB, Miami
82. Lamar Miller, RB, Miami
83. Billy Winn, DE, Boise State
84. Jonathan Massaquoi, DE, Troy
85. Ben Jones, C, Georgia
86. Demario Davis, OLB, Arkansas State
87. Leonard Johnson, CB, Iowa State
88. Bernard Pierce, RB, Temple
89. Marvin Jones, WR, California
90. Jamell Fleming, CB, Oklahoma

91. Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
92. Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
93. Chris Polk, RB, Washington
94. Frank Alexander, DE, Oklahoma
95. Trevor Guyton, DE, California
96. Donald Stephenson, OT, Oklahoma
97. Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma
98. Bobby Wagner, OLB, Utah State
99. Robert Turbin, RB, Utah State
100. Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina




Once and for all for those who think he wasn't the BPA Mayock had him at 33. Reese just can't make it matter than this . Equal value vs. Need.

and Cordy glenn as 25. whats your point ?

Toadofsteel
04-27-2012, 02:23 AM
...and apparently Scott has some fumbling issues.
Unfortunately, so does Wilson.


That doesn't worry me.

Bradshaw had some fumbling issues a couple years ago too. Then, Master Coughlin laid down the law and how many fumbles did Bradshaw have last year? 1. If anyone can fix the fumbling problem, it's Sensei Coughlin.

This. Tiki fumbled the ball 8-9 times in EACH SEASON from 2000-2003. After Coughlin comes in and does his football voodoo, Tiki's fumble count drops to 5 in 2004, and then only gives up the football 3 more times over the last two years of his career despite starting all 16 games each season.

I'd say the reason we haven't seen much of Scott yet is because, unlike the Tiki situation, TC has the luxury of having a man in front of him (Bradshaw, and formerly Jacobs), and so they can work on it in practice rather than risk it in an actual game. Wilson is more in the Tiki category... we'll see him on the field, and hopefully with his work ethic he will become that Tiki 2.0 that many of us see in him.

On that subject of "Tiki 2.0", it feels like we're equating people to their forebears in that position these days. JPP is Strahan 2.0, Nicks is Toomer 2.0, Cruz is Smith 2.0, etc.

G-Men Surg.
04-27-2012, 02:33 AM
• Mayock's position-by-position rankings
With the 2012 NFL Draft nearly here, Mike Mayock has unveiled his top 100 prospect rankings.


Build your own mock draft:
Predict The Pick allows you to be the draft expert and project the first round of the 2012 NFL Draft. The more picks you get right, the higher your score. Compete against friends in a private league or join a public league. Play now ...
1. Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
2. Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
3. Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
4. Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
5. Matt Kalil, OT, Southern California
6. Luke Kuechly, ILB, Boston College
7. Mark Barron, SS, Alabama
8. Stephon Gilmore, CB, South Carolina
9. Chandler Jones, DE, Syracuse
10. Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State

11. Fletcher Cox, DT, Mississippi State
12. Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
13. Dontari Poe, DT, Memphis
14. Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State
15. Dont'a Hightower, ILB, Alabama
16. Kendall Wright, WR, Baylor
17. Doug Martin, RB, Boise State
18. Melvin Ingram, OLB, South Carolina
19. Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
20. Riley Reiff, OT, Iowa

21. Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
22. Whitney Mercilus, OLB, Illinois
23. Courtney Upshaw, DE, Alabama
24. David DeCastro, G, Stanford
25. Cordy Glenn, OT, Georgia
26. Jerel Worthy, DT, Michigan State
27. Dre Kirkpatrick, CB, Alabama
28. Harrison Smith, SS, Notre Dame
29. Michael Brockers, DT, LSU
30. Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall

31. Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin
32. Stephen Hill, WR, Georgia Tech
33. David Wilson, RB, Virginia Tech
34. Jonathan Martin, OT, Stanford
35. Brandon Weeden, QB, Oklahoma State
36. Jeff Allen, OT, Illinois
37. Amini Silatolu, G, Midwestern State
38. Coby Fleener, TE, Stanford
39. Casey Hayward, CB, Vanderbilt
40. Peter Konz, C, Wisconsin

NFL.com's Mock Draft Central
With the draft quickly approaching, NFL.com analysts unveil their attempts at projecting how Round 1 will go on April 26. More ...
41. Bruce Irvin, DE, West Virginia
42. Devon Still, DT, Penn State
43. Dwayne Allen, TE, Clemson
44. Bobby Massie, OT, Mississippi
45. Trumaine Johnson, CB, Montana
46. Lavonte David, OLB, Nebraska
47. Brandon Thompson, DT, Clemson
48. Josh Robinson, CB, Central Florida
49. Nick Perry, DE, Southern California
50. Cam Johnson, DE, Virginia

51. Alshon Jeffery, WR, South Carolina
52. Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State
53. Andre Branch, OLB, Clemson
54. Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
55. Janoris Jenkins, CB, North Alabama
56. Kendall Reyes, DT, Connecticut
57. A.J. Jenkins, WR, Illinois
58. Josh Norman, CB, Coastal Carolina
59. Derek Wolfe, DT, Cincinnati
60. T.Y. Hilton, WR, Florida International

61. Brandon Boykin, CB, Georgia
62. Mitchell Schwartz, OT, California
63. Rueben Randle, WR, LSU
64. Alameda Ta'amu, DT, Washington
65. Brandon Taylor, SS, LSU
66. Kelechi Osemele, G, Iowa State
67. Kirk Cousins, QB, Michigan State
68. Olivier Vernon, DE, Miami
69. Mychal Kendricks, ILB, California
70. Mike Martin, DT, Michigan

71. LaMichael James, RB, Oregon
72. Brock Osweiler, QB, Arizona State
73. Tyrone Crawford, DE, Boise State
74. Ronnell Lewis, OLB, Oklahoma
75. Dwight Bentley, CB, Louisiana-Lafayette
76. Brandon Brooks, G, Miami (Ohio)
77. Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati
78. Alfonzo Dennard, CB, Nebraska
79. Philip Blake, C, Baylor
80. DeQuan Menzie, FS, Alabama

81. Sean Spence, OLB, Miami
82. Lamar Miller, RB, Miami
83. Billy Winn, DE, Boise State
84. Jonathan Massaquoi, DE, Troy
85. Ben Jones, C, Georgia
86. Demario Davis, OLB, Arkansas State
87. Leonard Johnson, CB, Iowa State
88. Bernard Pierce, RB, Temple
89. Marvin Jones, WR, California
90. Jamell Fleming, CB, Oklahoma

91. Mohamed Sanu, WR, Rutgers
92. Orson Charles, TE, Georgia
93. Chris Polk, RB, Washington
94. Frank Alexander, DE, Oklahoma
95. Trevor Guyton, DE, California
96. Donald Stephenson, OT, Oklahoma
97. Ryan Broyles, WR, Oklahoma
98. Bobby Wagner, OLB, Utah State
99. Robert Turbin, RB, Utah State
100. Zach Brown, OLB, North Carolina




Once and for all for those who think he wasn't the BPA Mayock had him at 33. Reese just can't make it matter than this . Equal value vs. Need.

and Cordy glenn as 25. whats your point ?


There's tons of scouting analysis on Glenn. You should know by now he isn't a JR or TC kind of player or for that matter for the Giants. Don't worry you will get the points from Jerry him self later on, I'm sure there's a lot of inquiring minds asking them self the same thing. It's up to you if you believe or trust JR or not.

myles2424
04-27-2012, 03:27 AM
Reese has said it himself....when there's somewhat equal BPA, they take the next step & figure in need......
That was the case with Wilson...
We can argue who was one the board, but idk if many of them are as good at their position as Wilson is at his.....

Wilson dominates at RB......
Jonathan Martin isn't a elite LT....
Worthy & Still, were not carrying 5 DTs, end of story...
I don't see Glenn as a dominate Guard...
Stephen Hill? Huge gamble/project...
Fleener, dominated as a receiver...
Lavonte David, dominated as a LB....but is more of a WLB, while we have more of a MLB/SLB need....

Wilson, was not a long shot at BPA, & as our needs go it made perfect sense.....

Dudes a stud, embrace it, your going to be harassed about your public hate for David Wilson when he runs all over the NFC east....

BurnerNYG
04-27-2012, 03:40 AM
I was just watching Wilson's highlights. That kid is a warrior and I wouldn't be surprised if he outshines the rb's picked before him. Cleveland will destroy a career and Tampa isn't exactly the Mecca of the NFL neither.

TheEnigma
04-27-2012, 04:19 AM
Dudes a stud, embrace it, your going to be harassed about your public hate for David Wilson when he runs all over the NFC east....What exactly constitutes as "David WIlson hate"? I don't see anyone in this thread hating on the pick but simply disagreeing that this was an "awesome" and "excellent" selection. It was just ok to me personally. Not horrible but not amazing, it was just a pick.

rainierjef
04-27-2012, 04:20 AM
Reese has said it himself....when there's somewhat equal BPA, they take the next step & figure in need......
That was the case with Wilson...
We can argue who was one the board, but idk if many of them are as good at their position as Wilson is at his.....

Wilson dominates at RB......
Jonathan Martin isn't a elite LT....
Worthy & Still, were not carrying 5 DTs, end of story...
I don't see Glenn as a dominate Guard...
Stephen Hill? Huge gamble/project...
Fleener, dominated as a receiver...
Lavonte David, dominated as a LB....but is more of a WLB, while we have more of a MLB/SLB need....

Wilson, was not a long shot at BPA, & as our needs go it made perfect sense..... reese can say anything he wants to comfort the fans and the media, fact is if denver was still infront of us and took whever they took instead of TB moving up you nor I do not know who was number one on that board. we won a super bowl i got it we won two in this decade i got it i want to win another as well as every other giant fan on these boards and were all not going to agree, when it comes to picks especially when they're other players of value. i swear if the giants were to draft A.J jenkins you all would find some way to justify it smfh. like i said in every post i put up today until i see the whole draft, his production in this offense i neither hate nor love this pick, i agree i dont like it very much, good pick but not the BPA at the time. and need? we have other needs that come before RB honestly. but we will see

Dudes a stud, embrace it, your going to be harassed about your public hate for David Wilson when he runs all over the NFC east.... like i care? my life exisits outside these boards if you must know, save the online bullying for emo kids on facebook

bafzel
04-27-2012, 04:46 AM
To be honest, the clock ticket down quite a few minutes when Giants where on the clock so that pick wasn't as easy as Reese might have suggested. I was kind of pissed when the pick was announced but now when it has sunked in I feel a bit better!

rcrane082985
04-27-2012, 04:48 AM
...and apparently Scott has some fumbling issues.
Unfortunately, so does Wilson.


fortunately, so did tiki

BlueSanta
04-27-2012, 04:55 AM
I still think it is 1 of the safest picks possible. I mean that in a good way.


People need to understand. He was VTs offense. Every team they played gameplans to stop the run 1st and foremost. Stop Wilson at all costs. Make VT them beat you with the passing game. Thats how people play them.

Yet still this was 4th in the NCAA in rushing. They didn't play a pattycake schedule either. TR aside, this was the best and most consistent producer of rushing yards vs good competition. I am glad our rushing attack will be a priority again.

rcrane082985
04-27-2012, 04:57 AM
"On that subject of "Tiki 2.0", it feels like we're equating people to their forebears in that position these days. JPP is Strahan 2.0, Nicks is Toomer 2.0, Cruz is Smith 2.0, etc. "


Nicks is toomer 2.0? as much as i liked toomer, nicks is way out of his league, and a monster. And i doubt we'll have a running back top tiki's production anytime soon as much as that sucks.

foxie
04-27-2012, 05:47 AM
REALITY!- It's the Downside of winning the Super Bowl!, pick # 32, We were Terrible in the running game, Jacobs is gone with Bradshaw a ? mark, with a lot of miles on him, 1-2 good years-maybe, our back ups are not the answer. We addressed a need, an important Need, read where there was a BIG drop off in running back talent after Wilson, who was rated right there with Martin-Boise State, who was snatched right before us by an unexpected TB move-now a disappointment factor thrown in the mix. BOTH RB's have some issues, ergo Picks 31 & 32. ps, I'm old enough to remember watching an Exciting diminutive Giant RB Joe Morris week in & week out, Wow! factor into running game, Bigger isn't necessarily better!.... Wilson- a very good, solid pick!

Drez
04-27-2012, 09:09 AM
Dont agree with that. Giants dont determine what value there is at 32, the draft does.

Reese said before the draft that he felt the back end of the first round the players were all very similar and that most were 2nd round type players.I understand that and I'm not saying they do but what I'm saying is that Reese failed to move up or down where better value was present. We know Reese wanted to move back but he wasn't able to and so, he failed there.

I just don't agree with calling the drafting of David Wilson at 32 an excellent and brilliant move when there were much better selections in the draft.
Reese didn't fail to move up or down. There wasn't enough value in any trade to do so, either for the player picked or the number of picks given up/received.

Drez
04-27-2012, 09:16 AM
Dont agree with that. Giants dont determine what value there is at 32, the draft does.

Reese said before the draft that he felt the back end of the first round the players were all very similar and that most were 2nd round type players.I understand that and I'm not saying they do but what I'm saying is that Reese failed to move up or down where better value was present. We know Reese wanted to move back but he wasn't able to and so, he failed there.

I just don't agree with calling the drafting of David Wilson at 32 an excellent and brilliant move when there were much better selections in the draft.

exactly if he was this brilliant pick, why even entertain moving back when there's a chance of losing him? did the giants try to trade back the year they drafted JPP? i feel that its a good pick not a great or BPA pick and that the move by TB altered what essentially we were going to do whether
that be

1. taking Martin
2. taking Fleener or someone else ov equal or greater value cause outside of Richardson no one else picked a RB so that kind of meant what the analyst said had some truth to it, that RB's are not valued as high and that a good guy would be available in the 2nd close to or where we picked.
3. maybe we did had offers for a trade back but once TB traded up and took Martin those trade offers rescinded

we will never know. i think im going to go back to having a blind eye to the draft and the prospect, cause now that i know alot or more than i knew last year via whatever videos i got from Redeye, every pick is going to seem painful and not the right one.

this is your fault redeye

Reese had Wilson as the second rated back on his board, not Martin.

Why entertain moving back? Well, because if you can pick up enough extra picks, potentially losing out on one of your targets while gaining several more makes up for it. Apparently there wasn't a deal worth it. I'd imagine Reese would have wanted to move into the top 10-12 picks of the second in any deal he made, so he could still secure a player that he had grouped in the same grade range as Wilson.

I don't think Fleener was even a remote possibility for the Giants in the first round

CDN_G-FAN
04-27-2012, 09:17 AM
Call me nuts here but I think Reese is now entering what I call "Belichick world". What I mean by that is you will see experts and analysts praise every little thing he does in the draft. He's always been a good GM and Giants fans have known this for a few years but now that he is known to the public, he's going to get more praise on moves than he should. Is the David Wilson pick bad? Not at all. Is it "excellent"? I think that's a bit much personally and there were much better moves by GM's this year in round 1 so far.</P>


He's entering the Belichick World because if your an analyst and you want to sound like you know what you're talking about, by praising a Reese move there's a 9 out of 10 chance that you'll look super smart for praising him a year later.</P>

yatitle
04-27-2012, 09:33 AM
Call me nuts here but I think Reese is now entering what I call "Belichick world". What I mean by that is you will see experts and analysts praise every little thing he does in the draft. He's always been a good GM and Giants fans have known this for a few years but now that he is known to the public, he's going to get more praise on moves than he should. Is the David Wilson pick bad? Not at all. Is it "excellent"? I think that's a bit much personally and there were much better moves by GM's this year in round 1 so far.</P>


He's entering the Belichick World because if your an analyst and you want to sound like you know what you're talking about, by praising a Reese move there's a 9 out of 10 chance that you'll look super smart for praising him a year later.</P>
Definitely not fair to lump Mayock in with the "talking heads" who want to look smart. Dude knows a lot more than anyone on this board who pick up a Scouting Combine mag.

Kruunch
04-27-2012, 09:49 AM
I'm a little surprised, but almost all of the analysts LOVE the pick we made. They said it was a brilliant move by Jerry Reese.

Mike Mayock said it was an "absolutely great pick by the Giants".

The Czar at FoxSports says "Jerry Reese doesn’t miss a trick. Sensing a run on running backs, Reese tabbed Virgina Tech’s David Wilson with the last pick in the first round."

ESPN analysts seem to like the pick too. The reception seems to be overwhelmingly positive.

Why surprised? It was a great pick.

Check out his highlights: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=david+wilson+highlights+2011&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCYQtwIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJ1b O123KOEM&ei=5aOaT5H9D-SD6AHehKzpDg&usg=AFQjCNEPkVho6SMBeYS97gko1zeYu6Jv_g

ny06
04-27-2012, 09:52 AM
I'm a little surprised, but almost all of the analysts LOVE the pick we made. They said it was a brilliant move by Jerry Reese. Mike Mayock said it was an "absolutely great pick by the Giants". The Czar at FoxSports says "Jerry Reese doesn’t miss a trick. Sensing a run on running backs, Reese tabbed Virgina Tech’s David Wilson with the last pick in the first round." ESPN analysts seem to like the pick too. The reception seems to be overwhelmingly positive. Why surprised? It was a great pick. Check out his highlights: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&amp;rct=j&amp;q=david+wilson+highlights+2011&amp;sour ce=web&amp;cd=1&amp;ved=0CCYQtwIwAA&amp;url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.y outube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DJ1bO123KOEM&amp;ei=5aOaT5H9D-SD6AHehKzpDg&amp;usg=AFQjCNEPkVho6SMBeYS97gko1zeYu6Jv_ g</P>


That speech gave me chills, love this kid. </P>

thomsoad
04-27-2012, 09:52 AM
Dont agree with that. Giants dont determine what value there is at 32, the draft does.

Reese said before the draft that he felt the back end of the first round the players were all very similar and that most were 2nd round type players.I understand that and I'm not saying they do but what I'm saying is that Reese failed to move up or down where better value was present. We know Reese wanted to move back but he wasn't able to and so, he failed there.

I just don't agree with calling the drafting of David Wilson at 32 an excellent and brilliant move when there were much better selections in the draft.

exactly if he was this brilliant pick, why even entertain moving back when there's a chance of losing him? did the giants try to trade back the year they drafted JPP? i feel that its a good pick not a great or BPA pick and that the move by TB altered what essentially we were going to do whether
that be

1. taking Martin
2. taking Fleener or someone else ov equal or greater value cause outside of Richardson no one else picked a RB so that kind of meant what the analyst said had some truth to it, that RB's are not valued as high and that a good guy would be available in the 2nd close to or where we picked.
3. maybe we did had offers for a trade back but once TB traded up and took Martin those trade offers rescinded

we will never know. i think im going to go back to having a blind eye to the draft and the prospect, cause now that i know alot or more than i knew last year via whatever videos i got from Redeye, every pick is going to seem painful and not the right one.

this is your fault redeye

Reese had Wilson as the second rated back on his board, not Martin.

Why entertain moving back? Well, because if you can pick up enough extra picks, potentially losing out on one of your targets while gaining several more makes up for it. Apparently there wasn't a deal worth it. I'd imagine Reese would have wanted to move into the top 10-12 picks of the second in any deal he made, so he could still secure a player that he had grouped in the same grade range as Wilson.

I don't think Fleener was even a remote possibility for the Giants in the first round


I agree 100% on Fleener. Personally, I dont think Reese is even remotely interested in Fleener. Fleener isnt a blocker...and doesnt appear to have a passion or even enthusiasm for blocking. Thats not a TE Reese/Coughlin/Gilbride is going to want