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tucksackstom
04-29-2012, 01:02 AM
<h3>New York Giants (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants)</h3>


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<p style="padding-top:9px">http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/nyg.gifTop needs: RB, OL, TE, LB, CB</p>





Summary: I had running back as the top need for the Giants, and they got one with their first pick. David Wilson (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/478955/david-wilson) should be productive, but I think they really would have preferred Doug Martin (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14885/doug-martin).
I might have gone with an O-lineman there, but the Giants have capably
kept things patched up for a couple years, and will have to continue to
do so, because they didn't get a tackle until the fourth round. Brandon Mosley (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/504116/brandon-mosley) has a shot (he's the No. 13-ranked offensive tackle on my board), but you don't want him starting in Week 1. Rueben Randle (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14911/rueben-randle)
lacks explosiveness, but he was a pretty good value as the last pick in
Round 2. Clearly, the NFL thought he'd be gone far higher -- he was the
last player in the green room. Jayron Hosley (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14983/jayron-hosley)
is a really instinctive corner, and I wouldn't have thought he'd still
be around based on his sophomore year. But he regressed in 2011. He can
cover, but he lacks a physical element to his game. Some helpful pieces,
but Wilson needs to provide impact. </p>


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<td>(1)</td>
<td>32</td>
<td>RB</td>
<td>David Wilson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28963/david-wilson)</td>
<td>Virginia Tech</td>
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<td>(2)</td>
<td>63</td>
<td>WR</td>
<td>Rueben Randle (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28986/rueben-randle)</td>
<td>LSU</td>
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<td>(3)</td>
<td>94</td>
<td>CB</td>
<td>Jayron Hosley (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28931/jayron-hosley)</td>
<td>Virginia Tech</td>
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<tr class="last evenrow">
<td>(4)</td>
<td>127</td>
<td>TE</td>
<td>Adrien Robinson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27549/adrien-robinson)</td>
<td>Cincinnati</td>
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<td>(4)</td>
<td>131</td>
<td>T</td>
<td>Brandon Mosley (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28568/brandon-mosley)</td>
<td>Auburn</td>
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<td>(6)</td>
<td>201</td>
<td>T</td>
<td>Matt McCants (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27449/matt-mccants)</td>
<td>UAB</td>
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<td>(7)</td>
<td>239</td>
<td>DT</td>
<td>Markus Kuhn (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28111/markus-kuhn)</td>
<td>North Carolina State</td>
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JMFP2
04-29-2012, 01:08 AM
I take this as a good sign.

giantsfan420
04-29-2012, 01:08 AM
kiper flip flops more than any analyst i can think of. i've seen him miss completely on his predictions...he had jemarcus russell as being the next big thing at qb a few years ago...

and its irrelevant anyways bc while he may be decent at analyzing prospects, he has very little knowledge of our team.

put it this way, Kiper couldnt shine JR's shoes when it comes to evaluating players and drafting...

so true JMFP

JJC7301
04-29-2012, 01:11 AM
<h3>New York Giants (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants)</h3>


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<p style="padding-top:9px">http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/nyg.gifTop needs: RB, OL, TE, LB, CB</p>





Summary: I had running back as the top need for the Giants, and they got one with their first pick. David Wilson (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/478955/david-wilson) should be productive, but I think they really would have preferred Doug Martin (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14885/doug-martin).
I might have gone with an O-lineman there, but the Giants have capably
kept things patched up for a couple years, and will have to continue to
do so, because they didn't get a tackle until the fourth round. Brandon Mosley (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/504116/brandon-mosley) has a shot (he's the No. 13-ranked offensive tackle on my board), but you don't want him starting in Week 1. Rueben Randle (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14911/rueben-randle)
lacks explosiveness, but he was a pretty good value as the last pick in
Round 2. Clearly, the NFL thought he'd be gone far higher -- he was the
last player in the green room. Jayron Hosley (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14983/jayron-hosley)
is a really instinctive corner, and I wouldn't have thought he'd still
be around based on his sophomore year. But he regressed in 2011. He can
cover, but he lacks a physical element to his game. Some helpful pieces,
but Wilson needs to provide impact. </p>


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<td>(1)</td>
<td>32</td>
<td>RB</td>
<td>David Wilson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28963/david-wilson)</td>
<td>Virginia Tech</td>
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<td>(2)</td>
<td>63</td>
<td>WR</td>
<td>Rueben Randle (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28986/rueben-randle)</td>
<td>LSU</td>
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<td>(3)</td>
<td>94</td>
<td>CB</td>
<td>Jayron Hosley (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28931/jayron-hosley)</td>
<td>Virginia Tech</td>
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<tr class="last evenrow">
<td>(4)</td>
<td>127</td>
<td>TE</td>
<td>Adrien Robinson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27549/adrien-robinson)</td>
<td>Cincinnati</td>
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<td>(4)</td>
<td>131</td>
<td>T</td>
<td>Brandon Mosley (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28568/brandon-mosley)</td>
<td>Auburn</td>
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<td>(6)</td>
<td>201</td>
<td>T</td>
<td>Matt McCants (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27449/matt-mccants)</td>
<td>UAB</td>
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<td>(7)</td>
<td>239</td>
<td>DT</td>
<td>Markus Kuhn (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28111/markus-kuhn)</td>
<td>North Carolina State</td>
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I know that most are going to disagree, but I wouldn't consider LB a top "need" anymore. A top-tier stud would be nice, but not necessary. We've got good depth there.

I actually enjoy Kiper and all he does is give his honest opinion, but I really liked our draft a lot. I would have preferred an OT and a safety higher in the draft, but I love our top 5 picks.

For 6th and 7th rounds, I don't mind guys who are projects with big potential.

GMenNY21
04-29-2012, 01:12 AM
He makes our draft sound so bland & boring..
We just got an explosive , tough, do it all type RB .. A big receiver that can get deep & make big plays & a ball hawking , instinctive CB in the Asante Samuel type mold.. A project, but great upside TE & solid o-line picks.. Sounds like really promising draft to me

DVision
04-29-2012, 01:31 AM
He makes our draft sound so bland & boring..
We just got an explosive , tough, do it all type RB .. A big receiver that can get deep & make big plays & a ball hawking , instinctive CB in the Asante Samuel type mold.. A project, but great upside TE & solid o-line picks.. Sounds like really promising draft to me

The highlight of the draft coverage to me was watching the look on Gruden's face every time Kiper opened his mouth. I have a feeling he doesn't like him much. lol

mikeq672
04-29-2012, 01:33 AM
Kiper is an idiot and knows no more than we do about the NFL. Youd have a tough time convincing me Drew Rosenhaus doesnt sign his paychecks just to hype up crappy players.

JMFP2
04-29-2012, 01:35 AM
I love Mel Kiper's comments about Hosley "regressing"..... the dude led the NCAA with 9 picks in 2010, and as a result, QB's stopped throwing at him in 2011.</P>


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OsiStrahan#1combo
04-29-2012, 01:39 AM
<h3>New York Giants (http://espn.go.com/nfl/team/_/name/nyg/new-york-giants)</h3>


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<p style="padding-top:9px">http://assets.espn.go.com/i/teamlogos/nfl/sml/trans/nyg.gifTop needs: RB, OL, TE, LB, CB</p>





Summary: I had running back as the top need for the Giants, and they got one with their first pick. David Wilson (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/478955/david-wilson) should be productive, but I think they really would have preferred Doug Martin (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14885/doug-martin).
I might have gone with an O-lineman there, but the Giants have capably
kept things patched up for a couple years, and will have to continue to
do so, because they didn't get a tackle until the fourth round. Brandon Mosley (http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/_/id/504116/brandon-mosley) has a shot (he's the No. 13-ranked offensive tackle on my board), but you don't want him starting in Week 1. Rueben Randle (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14911/rueben-randle)
lacks explosiveness, but he was a pretty good value as the last pick in
Round 2. Clearly, the NFL thought he'd be gone far higher -- he was the
last player in the green room. Jayron Hosley (http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/_/id/14983/jayron-hosley)
is a really instinctive corner, and I wouldn't have thought he'd still
be around based on his sophomore year. But he regressed in 2011. He can
cover, but he lacks a physical element to his game. Some helpful pieces,
but Wilson needs to provide impact. </p>


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<th>College</th>
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<td>(1)</td>
<td>32</td>
<td>RB</td>
<td>David Wilson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28963/david-wilson)</td>
<td>Virginia Tech</td>
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<tr class="last evenrow">
<td>(2)</td>
<td>63</td>
<td>WR</td>
<td>Rueben Randle (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28986/rueben-randle)</td>
<td>LSU</td>
</tr>
<tr class="last oddrow">
<td>(3)</td>
<td>94</td>
<td>CB</td>
<td>Jayron Hosley (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28931/jayron-hosley)</td>
<td>Virginia Tech</td>
</tr>
<tr class="last evenrow">
<td>(4)</td>
<td>127</td>
<td>TE</td>
<td>Adrien Robinson (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27549/adrien-robinson)</td>
<td>Cincinnati</td>
</tr>
<tr class="last oddrow">
<td>(4)</td>
<td>131</td>
<td>T</td>
<td>Brandon Mosley (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28568/brandon-mosley)</td>
<td>Auburn</td>
</tr>
<tr class="last evenrow">
<td>(6)</td>
<td>201</td>
<td>T</td>
<td>Matt McCants (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/27449/matt-mccants)</td>
<td>UAB</td>
</tr>
<tr class="last oddrow">
<td>(7)</td>
<td>239</td>
<td>DT</td>
<td>Markus Kuhn (http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/player/_/id/28111/markus-kuhn)</td>
<td>North Carolina State</td>
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"C+!! Hahaha.. C+! Hahah, oh noooooo, your going to shoot your eye out kid"

Who cares what kiper thinks. Hes nothing more then a publicity draft anaylist.

DVision
04-29-2012, 01:45 AM
kiper flip flops more than any analyst i can think of. i've seen him miss completely on his predictions...he had jemarcus russell as being the next big thing at qb a few years ago...

and its irrelevant anyways bc while he may be decent at analyzing prospects, he has very little knowledge of our team.

put it this way, Kiper couldnt shine JR's shoes when it comes to evaluating players and drafting...

so true JMFP

I don't care how long Kiper's been doing this. If he was that good an organization would have hired him by now. There's a reason why Accorsi told him to be a draft analyst instead of a gm.

Analyst kill me trying to determine who fits in who's system without even knowing what that teams plans are. Does Kiper know how the progression of the players we have on our roster is going? Nope! So how do they know team needs? They tried to say we needed O-Line, TE, LBer's, and WR's last year!

Let them drool all over other teams moves. How often are any of them right? They flip flop during the season more than politicians.

Martyr
04-29-2012, 01:58 AM
The grades are silly, any team that has 2 first round pick gets a high grade.

egyptian420
04-29-2012, 02:25 AM
I actually like Kiper but like every other analyst....I can't blame him for not being too interested in what we did....we're just not that interesting of a team, face it

We don't make the biggest FA moves, huge trades or moves in the draft

We don't have a flamboyant owner like Jerry Jones...and we don't get talked about that much

But one thing we do, is win championships....and that's all I care about

rainierjef
04-29-2012, 02:32 AM
i think he was spot on with his assessment c+ / b-

KillaRich
04-29-2012, 02:36 AM
I agree with you 100% up until this year i cried and whined about getting a LB...but not anymore...we have boley...Great... on the other side we have kiwi , and j.will who i believe will be a great LB one day...and in the middle we have the commander blackburn back...with herzlich behind him learning , and depth in jones....LB is def not a need imo anymore...especially since we are heavy in using 3 safeties.... getting a RB and WR was great ....filled 2 holes in the draft... only thing is the O-Line...lets see how a healthy line does this year... GO Giants!

RagTime Blue
04-29-2012, 03:12 AM
He makes our draft sound so bland &amp; boring..
We just got an explosive , tough, do it all type RB .. A big receiver that can get deep &amp; make big plays &amp; a ball hawking , instinctive CB in the Asante Samuel type mold.. A project, but great upside TE &amp; solid o-line picks.. Sounds like really promising draft to me

The highlight of the draft coverage to me was watching the look on Gruden's face every time Kiper opened his mouth. I have a feeling he doesn't like him much. lol

Perhaps, but if you get a chance, look at Kiper's face every time Berman spoke.

Now THAT'S the face of a man in disgust.

I like Kiper's analysis of the players in the draft, but couldn't care less how he feels about the NFL teams that take them.

His analysis of NFL teams are painful to hear, and just scream, "Amateur hour at the Apollo".

Listen to Dilfer if you want good NFL analysis.

Rat_bastich
04-29-2012, 05:38 AM
and its irrelevant anyways bc while he may be decent at analyzing prospects, he has very little knowledge of our team.



This. Kiper is good at gathering information on prospects, but he is as qualified as us at making a teams draft board. Teams build in different ways. The Giants like pass rushers and BPA, which draft "gurus" seem not to understand.

Rarely do the Giants make sexy picks. Look at many of the mock drafts leading up to the real thing...mostly nothing but Hightower and Fleener. The mocks didn't take into account that we drafted and signed so many undrafted free agent linebackers last year to create almost a gridlock, not to mention Keith Rivers coming onboard.

I read his stuff because the only college teams I pay attention to are Notre Dame(my team), Virginia, VA Tech, Missouri and Arkansas.

myles2424
04-29-2012, 05:45 AM
If I'm not mistaken kiper had us mocked taking Carlos Dunlap in the 1st the year we took JPP & then later said what a crap pick JPP was & that he was a 2nd round talent....

CDN_G-FAN
04-29-2012, 05:53 AM
it would be easy to rip Kip, but others have done a good enough job of it here so i won't bother.

Suffice to say, after watching Mayock on the NFL network, i'll never watch Kip again.

Firenugget
04-29-2012, 06:15 AM
To this day I can't understand how this man is on TV. It has nothing to do with the grade, he could have said A+ and as soon as I saw it was Kiper I'd say "meh.."

plc
04-29-2012, 07:12 AM
How short memories are.Last year we were told by the "experts"about the dream team.The cows always seem to pick the "right" player.And let us not forget the jestors and their picks.All I see is we win SB's and everyone else talks about them.I rate our draft an A given the fact that I trust Reese and I know our coaching staff will bring these players not only up to their potential but beyond.Unlike other teams that will have internal friction that will make their players selfish in the long run.

FBomb
04-29-2012, 08:21 AM
I take this as a good sign.</P>


THIS!!!!</P>


How is this guy considered a "draft guru"? He is right less than half the time, and then grades teams based on them not picking who he thought they should.</P>


My 6 year old can do a better job with a dart board and blindfold.</P>

hungrrrry
04-29-2012, 08:28 AM
I liked our draft...I also like the Eagles draft plus they got Chris Polk as an unsigned free agent....that there is one of those "diamonds in the rough" players....I really hoped we would be able to scoop him up but instead a rival team did, which pisses me off to no end!

swimeasy
04-29-2012, 08:29 AM
I actually like Kiper but like every other analyst....I can't blame him for not being too interested in what we did....we're just not that interesting of a team, face it

We don't make the biggest FA moves, huge trades or moves in the draft

We don't have a flamboyant owner like Jerry Jones...and we don't get talked about that much

But one thing we do, is win championships....and that's all I care about


^^^^^This

DragonSoul
04-29-2012, 08:49 AM
i can do a better job then he does. And I don't follow college. Cannot believe he still has a job. Oh wait its ESPN.

Redeyejedi
04-29-2012, 09:11 AM
Kiper is an idiot and knows no more than we do about the NFL. Youd have a tough time convincing me Drew Rosenhaus doesnt sign his paychecks just to hype up crappy players.
Rumors are he pumped up Jimmy Clausen because of his friend Gary Witchard Clausens agent

Redeyejedi
04-29-2012, 09:16 AM
If U dont follow the draft all year long U really dont know how far behind guys like Kiper and Mcshay are. Mayock is the only guy out there thats on TV I take seriously and even he this year I started to doubt some. This is the first year I saw him change his rankings so drastically before the draft. He usually goes of his own film work and doesnt let scouts move his board around.

gumby742
04-29-2012, 09:43 AM
I watched nfl network and mike mayock for the first time this year. Heck, i didn't get NFL Network until we upgraded to fios recently. I think Mayock is tons better.

CDN_G-FAN
04-29-2012, 09:45 AM
I watched nfl network and mike mayock for the first time this year. Heck, i didn't get NFL Network until we upgraded to fios recently. I think Mayock is tons better.

+1

its not even close.

ronmexico
04-29-2012, 09:57 AM
Mayock is a professional when it comes to the draft; he's good at what he does and has an eye for talent translating to the NFL.
Every year that I watch the draft it becomes more apparent that McShay and Kiper just throw crap at the wall to see what sticks... those guys just get it so wrong sometimes.

slipknottin
04-29-2012, 09:59 AM
GO SELL SOME CEREAL CHOCULA.

nycsportzfan
04-29-2012, 10:21 AM
i think he was spot on with his assessment c+ / b-
Ya, my grade would be about a B-/ C+ range myself.. Reuben Randle reminds me to much of Brandon Lafell.. Not explosive enough, that is the pick that bothered me the most.. Then, we made a bit of a comeback, with Hosley, Mosley, and McCants.. Robinsons got a long way to go, before he does anything on the field, and is more of a combine/measurables guy, then football player.. David Wilson is very intriguing, all though, i don't think hes ever gonna be a tote the full load type RB... </P>


The 3picks that i like the most were Jayron, and the 2 OT's, then David Wilson.. After that, i like the pickup of Janzen Jackson more then any of the rest of the picks...</P>

Giants10Joe
04-29-2012, 01:48 PM
A C+ huh? Well, here's my only response (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i624aWIIwI#t=1m41s). (Unfortunately, I couldn't find the original video, so this will have to suffice).

RoanokeFan
04-29-2012, 02:03 PM
And NBC Sports rated the GIANTS' draft an A. Go figure.

Talorin2
04-29-2012, 05:29 PM
Kiper's an idiot. Can't say it enough.

RoanokeFan
04-29-2012, 05:34 PM
Serious question: All we know about the draft picks is who they are. None of them have played a down in the NFL. Most of them will not start this season and many of them won't see the field in a regular season game. Yet here we are "rating" the draft. When I say "we" I mean everybody.

Don't you have a better sense of how good or bad a draft was when you see who made teams and how well they play? If that's so, then rating them now is pure speculation.

CGYgiant
04-29-2012, 06:17 PM
Serious question: All we know about the draft picks is who they are. None of them have played a down in the NFL. Most of them will not start this season and many of them won't see the field in a regular season game. Yet here we are "rating" the draft. When I say "we" I mean everybody.

Don't you have a better sense of how good or bad a draft was when you see who made teams and how well they play? If that's so, then rating them now is pure speculation.


+1

No one knows how good/bad any of these draft picks are yet all of these draft experts are already giving us a grade. Makes no sense, everyone said our 09 draft was excellent when only 1 of those players turned out to be good.

Lets see them play first folks.

DVision
04-29-2012, 10:09 PM
Funny in a chat with Kiper on ESPN a Bengals fan asked:

Q:* Any chance Richardson falls to 17 for the Bengals?

Kiper's answer:* No. The Bengals pick again at 21. The guy you would think about at 21 is Lamar Miller or David Wilson. Two talented RBs. Both of those kids provide great game breaking ability.

So let me get this straight.* No mention of Martin and Wilson's worth a pick at 21, but not at 32?* Kiper flip flops like a fish out of water!* Football guru?* lol

espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/42138/football-guru-mel-kiper (http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/42138/football-guru-mel-kiper)

ronmexico
06-05-2012, 09:20 PM
Edit: Whoops.. old thread.

Rat_bastich
06-06-2012, 12:26 AM
Holy resurrection Batman! Arise, Chicken, Arise!

miked1958
06-06-2012, 01:31 AM
So RR lacks explosiveness? Based off his college highlights at LSU he seemed to be pretty explosive to me. Early reports at OTAs was he looked good on some deep passes. Of course that was against other rookies. Now it will be like a kid graduating from HS and going into college and having to start all over at the bottom. Give him time