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lawl
04-29-2012, 02:09 PM
Now that we know who would have went where. What picks would you want the giants to have made

hugehomer
04-29-2012, 02:22 PM
The same ones they made.

Kruunch
04-30-2012, 09:37 AM
Adrien Robinson was the only pick that really had me scratching my head. I would have picked up George Iloka (instead of Janzen Jackson as a UDFA and grabbed Robinson as a UDFA instead).

Otherwise the whole draft, value wise was a home run by and large.

Now to see if they actually get that value out of them.

critters
04-30-2012, 10:11 AM
RD1: Courtney Upshaw (can't believe he made it out of the first round)
RD2: Sanu (I'm fine with RR, but he's gonna have to do more than he did in college.. didn't have much of a qb though)
RD3: Massie or Lamar Miller
RD4: Dequan Menzie
RD4: Senio Kelemete or Vick Ballard
RD6: McCants or Cam Johnson
RD7: Kuhn

juice33s
04-30-2012, 08:00 PM
Adrien Robinson was the only pick that really had me scratching my head. I would have picked up George Iloka (instead of Janzen Jackson as a UDFA and<font size="4"> grabbed Robinson as a UDFA instead)</font>.

Otherwise the whole draft, value wise was a home run by and large.

Now to see if they actually get that value out of them.
Lol, u have so little faith in the Giants management that you think they picked an UDFA in the 4th round?.....after his pro day I heard a number of NFL people calling him a mid round pick

nevada11
04-30-2012, 08:06 PM
Adrien Robinson was the only pick that really had me scratching my head. I would have picked up George Iloka (instead of Janzen Jackson as a UDFA and<font size="4"> grabbed Robinson as a UDFA instead)</font>.

Otherwise the whole draft, value wise was a home run by and large.

Now to see if they actually get that value out of them.
Lol, u have so little faith in the Giants management that you think they picked an UDFA in the 4th round?.....after his pro day I heard a number of NFL people calling him a mid round pick


Where did you "hear" this

Just because the giants had a high grade on him doesnt mean the rest of the NFL did. Anything other than such is pure speculation. He could have easily gone 7th round just as easily he could have gone 3rd round

nevada11
04-30-2012, 08:07 PM
If I had to redo the draft:

1- Brian Quick
2- Dwayne Allen
3- Bobbie Massie
4 - Jared Crick (t/ up)
7 - DaJohn Harris

michaelkhan3
04-30-2012, 08:36 PM
I would have gone

1 Glenn
2 Randle
3 Lamar Miller

and keep the rest about the same maybe get a CB somewhere

Neverend
04-30-2012, 11:42 PM
Honestly I'd keep things the same but instead draft Juron crier with their 6th. And perhaps cam johnson with their 7th

gmen0820
04-30-2012, 11:55 PM
1. Coby Fleener

2. Trumaine Johnson

3. Cyrus Gray or Lamar Miller

4a. Greg Childs or George Iloka

4b. Marvin Jones or George Iloka

6. Nate Potter

7. Andrew Datko

nycsportzfan
05-01-2012, 02:19 AM
Honestly I'd keep things the same but instead draft Juron crier with their 6th. And perhaps cam johnson with their 7th Juron Criner went to the Raiders in the 5th, i think...

nycsportzfan
05-01-2012, 02:26 AM
1. Cordy Glenn OT/G Georgia</P>


2. Dwayne Allen TE Clemson</P>


3. Jayron Hosley CB Va.Tech</P>


4. Brandon Mosley OT Auburn</P>


4. Danny Coale WR Va.Tech</P>


6. Cam Johnson DE Virginia</P>


7. Chris Polk RB Washington</P>

nycsportzfan
05-01-2012, 02:27 AM
1. Coby Fleener 2. Trumaine Johnson 3. Cyrus Gray or Lamar Miller 4a. Greg Childs or George Iloka 4b. Marvin Jones or George Iloka 6. Nate Potter 7. Andrew Datko Thats pretty freaking solid, dude... Well done..

rainierjef
05-01-2012, 04:06 AM
1. Coby Fleener

2. Trumaine Johnson

3. Cyrus Gray or Lamar Miller

4a. Greg Childs or George Iloka

4b. Marvin Jones or George Iloka

6. Nate Potter

7. Andrew Datko

1. C. Fleener
2. R. Randle
3. L. Miller
4. <span class="tracker-link">J. Massaquoi</span>
4b. S. <span class="tracker-link">Kelemete</span>
6. C. Johnson
7. A. Datko

GMENAGAIN
05-01-2012, 07:55 AM
Now that we know who would have went where. What picks would you want the giants to have made</P>


Why don't you tell us who you would have picked???</P>

lawl
05-01-2012, 09:05 AM
Now that we know who would have went where. What picks would you want the giants to have made</P>


Why don't you tell us who you would have picked???</P>

branch
Randle
Charles
rainey
Iloka

NCGiant23
05-01-2012, 01:16 PM
1. David Wilson - I liked the pick. Versatile back who isn't afraid to deliver contact. Obviously ball security is a concern.


2. Dwayne Allen - TE is a position of need an Allen does everything the Giants want in a TE. He's good at blocking and is much more versatile in the passing game than any TE the Giants have had in the past decade. Really surprised he wasn't the pick.
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3. Bobbie Massie- Equally as surprised he wasn't the pick. I never once thought he'd be available at this pick. If I were GM, I would have been run to the table to hand in the pick. Everyone here knows our OL needs work and Massie might have been able to go in and start at RT immediately.
</p>


</p>

All that said I'm generally happy with our draft. One thing that Reese has made evident. His draft board is different than just about everyone else's in the league and he doesn't care who he picks so long as he believes the pick has value.
</p>

Kruunch
05-01-2012, 05:54 PM
Adrien Robinson was the only pick that really had me scratching my head. I would have picked up George Iloka (instead of Janzen Jackson as a UDFA and<font size="4"> grabbed Robinson as a UDFA instead)</font>.

Otherwise the whole draft, value wise was a home run by and large.

Now to see if they actually get that value out of them.
Lol, u have so little faith in the Giants management that you think they picked an UDFA in the 4th round?.....after his pro day I heard a number of NFL people calling him a mid round pick


"Faith" has nothing to do with it. It is what it is.

And no TE has a mid-round grade that has a total of 12 receptions in his senior year (29 receptions in 4 years of college I might add).

I look at draft grades from multiple sources just like everyone else. The highest grade I've found on him was as a possible 7th rounder.

Adrien Robinson is the definition of a reach since the probability was that he wasn't going to be drafted.

I mean this kid would have been a reach in the 6th round lol.

BlueSanta
05-03-2012, 05:36 AM
Adrien Robinson was the only pick that really had me scratching my head. I would have picked up George Iloka (instead of Janzen Jackson as a UDFA and<font size="4"> grabbed Robinson as a UDFA instead)</font>.

Otherwise the whole draft, value wise was a home run by and large.

Now to see if they actually get that value out of them.
Lol, u have so little faith in the Giants management that you think they picked an UDFA in the 4th round?.....after his pro day I heard a number of NFL people calling him a mid round pick


"Faith" has nothing to do with it. It is what it is.

And no TE has a mid-round grade that has a total of 12 receptions in his senior year (29 receptions in 4 years of college I might add).

I look at draft grades from multiple sources just like everyone else. The highest grade I've found on him was as a possible 7th rounder.

Adrien Robinson is the definition of a reach since the probability was that he wasn't going to be drafted.

I mean this kid would have been a reach in the 6th round lol.

While I completely agree with you, Reese does this every once in a while.

Look at Jaquain Williams, I think its very possible if not likely he goes undrafted if we dont pick him in the 5th. Few knew who he was. Analysts were stumped. Yet we picked him the 5th. We spent a 6th rounder on Adrian Tracy, another guy who very well could have gone undrafted. Reese doesnt mind swinging for the fences on kids he likes. If the reports are true about this kids pro day numbers then he is the best athlete at the TE position in the draft, on top of that, he is an actual end like blocking TE, something rare in college football these days.

BlueSanta
05-03-2012, 05:36 AM
Adrien Robinson was the only pick that really had me scratching my head. I would have picked up George Iloka (instead of Janzen Jackson as a UDFA and<font size="4"> grabbed Robinson as a UDFA instead)</font>.

Otherwise the whole draft, value wise was a home run by and large.

Now to see if they actually get that value out of them.
Lol, u have so little faith in the Giants management that you think they picked an UDFA in the 4th round?.....after his pro day I heard a number of NFL people calling him a mid round pick


"Faith" has nothing to do with it. It is what it is.

And no TE has a mid-round grade that has a total of 12 receptions in his senior year (29 receptions in 4 years of college I might add).

I look at draft grades from multiple sources just like everyone else. The highest grade I've found on him was as a possible 7th rounder.

Adrien Robinson is the definition of a reach since the probability was that he wasn't going to be drafted.

I mean this kid would have been a reach in the 6th round lol.

While I completely agree with you, Reese does this every once in a while.

Look at Jaquain Williams, I think its very possible if not likely he goes undrafted if we dont pick him in the 5th. Few knew who he was. Analysts were stumped. Yet we picked him the 5th. We spent a 6th rounder on Adrian Tracy, another guy who very well could have gone undrafted. Reese doesnt mind swinging for the fences on kids he likes. If the reports are true about this kids pro day numbers then he is the best athlete at the TE position in the draft, on top of that, he is an actual end like blocking TE, something rare in college football these days.

GMENAGAIN
05-03-2012, 07:26 AM
Adrien Robinson was the only pick that really had me scratching my head. I would have picked up George Iloka (instead of Janzen Jackson as a UDFA and<FONT size=4> grabbed Robinson as a UDFA instead)</FONT>. Otherwise the whole draft, value wise was a home run by and large. Now to see if they actually get that value out of them.
Lol, u have so little faith in the Giants management that you think they picked an UDFA in the 4th round?.....after his pro day I heard a number of NFL people calling him a mid round pick
"Faith" has nothing to do with it. It is what it is. And no TE has a mid-round grade that has a total of 12 receptions in his senior year (29 receptions in 4 years of college I might add). I look at draft grades from multiple sources just like everyone else. The highest grade I've found on him was as a possible 7th rounder. Adrien Robinson is the definition of a reach since the probability was that he wasn't going to be drafted. I mean this kid would have been a reach in the 6th round lol.

While I completely agree with you, Reese does this every once in a while.

Look at Jaquain Williams, I think its very possible if not likely he goes undrafted if we dont pick him in the 5th. Few knew who he was. Analysts were stumped. Yet we picked him the 5th. We spent a 6th rounder on Adrian Tracy, another guy who very well could have gone undrafted. Reese doesnt mind swinging for the fences on kids he likes. If the reports are true about this kids pro day numbers then he is the best athlete at the TE position in the draft, on top of that, he is an actual end like blocking TE, something rare in college football these days.
</P>


We took Williams in the 6th . . . . </P>

BlueSanta
05-04-2012, 02:09 PM
Adrien Robinson was the only pick that really had me scratching my head. I would have picked up George Iloka (instead of Janzen Jackson as a UDFA and<font size="4"> grabbed Robinson as a UDFA instead)</font>. Otherwise the whole draft, value wise was a home run by and large. Now to see if they actually get that value out of them.
Lol, u have so little faith in the Giants management that you think they picked an UDFA in the 4th round?.....after his pro day I heard a number of NFL people calling him a mid round pick
"Faith" has nothing to do with it. It is what it is. And no TE has a mid-round grade that has a total of 12 receptions in his senior year (29 receptions in 4 years of college I might add). I look at draft grades from multiple sources just like everyone else. The highest grade I've found on him was as a possible 7th rounder. Adrien Robinson is the definition of a reach since the probability was that he wasn't going to be drafted. I mean this kid would have been a reach in the 6th round lol.

While I completely agree with you, Reese does this every once in a while.

Look at Jaquain Williams, I think its very possible if not likely he goes undrafted if we dont pick him in the 5th. Few knew who he was. Analysts were stumped. Yet we picked him the 5th. We spent a 6th rounder on Adrian Tracy, another guy who very well could have gone undrafted. Reese doesnt mind swinging for the fences on kids he likes. If the reports are true about this kids pro day numbers then he is the best athlete at the TE position in the draft, on top of that, he is an actual end like blocking TE, something rare in college football these days.
</p>


We took Williams in the 6th . . . . </p>

You are right, but the point still stands. There is little chance he gets drafted if we dont take him. No other teams had shown any interest in him and I suspect few knew who he was.


And for the record, many of the teams who brought Robinson in for an interview ended up drafting a TE. There were also reportedly enough teams at his pro day to see his outstanding performance that I very seriously doubt he goes undrafted as is suggested above.

GMENAGAIN
05-04-2012, 02:31 PM
Adrien Robinson was the only pick that really had me scratching my head. I would have picked up George Iloka (instead of Janzen Jackson as a UDFA and<FONT size=4> grabbed Robinson as a UDFA instead)</FONT>. Otherwise the whole draft, value wise was a home run by and large. Now to see if they actually get that value out of them.
Lol, u have so little faith in the Giants management that you think they picked an UDFA in the 4th round?.....after his pro day I heard a number of NFL people calling him a mid round pick
"Faith" has nothing to do with it. It is what it is. And no TE has a mid-round grade that has a total of 12 receptions in his senior year (29 receptions in 4 years of college I might add). I look at draft grades from multiple sources just like everyone else. The highest grade I've found on him was as a possible 7th rounder. Adrien Robinson is the definition of a reach since the probability was that he wasn't going to be drafted. I mean this kid would have been a reach in the 6th round lol.

While I completely agree with you, Reese does this every once in a while.

Look at Jaquain Williams, I think its very possible if not likely he goes undrafted if we dont pick him in the 5th. Few knew who he was. Analysts were stumped. Yet we picked him the 5th. We spent a 6th rounder on Adrian Tracy, another guy who very well could have gone undrafted. Reese doesnt mind swinging for the fences on kids he likes. If the reports are true about this kids pro day numbers then he is the best athlete at the TE position in the draft, on top of that, he is an actual end like blocking TE, something rare in college football these days.
</P>


We took Williams in the 6th . . . . </P>




You are right, but the point still stands. There is little chance he gets drafted if we dont take him. No other teams had shown any interest in him and I suspect few knew who he was.


And for the record, many of the teams who brought Robinson in for an interview ended up drafting a TE. There were also reportedly enough teams at his pro day to see his outstanding performance that I very seriously doubt he goes undrafted as is suggested above.
</P>


I don't disagree . . . . I think that a lot ofteams take 6th and 7th roundersthat have a chance to go undrafted because: (1) they like the player; and (2) don't want to risk losing him once the bidding for UDFA's starts. Taking a guy in the draft obvioulsy insures that he wil be on your team . . . . eliminates the uncertainty of bidding for the player once the draft ends . . . . </P>

BlueBlooded1979
05-04-2012, 03:20 PM
Branch
Randle
Ta'Amu
Mosley
Illoka
Dennard
Baker

lawl
05-04-2012, 04:37 PM
Branch Randle Ta'Amu Mosley Illoka Dennard Baker</P>


I like it.</P>

eastbayblue
05-04-2012, 04:48 PM
Now that we know who would have went where. What picks would you want the giants to have made

I would have used one of the 2 4th round picks to trade up and get a higher rated TE or LT.

nycsportzfan
05-04-2012, 07:33 PM
Adrien Robinson was the only pick that really had me scratching my head. I would have picked up George Iloka (instead of Janzen Jackson as a UDFA and<FONT size=4> grabbed Robinson as a UDFA instead)</FONT>. Otherwise the whole draft, value wise was a home run by and large. Now to see if they actually get that value out of them.
Lol, u have so little faith in the Giants management that you think they picked an UDFA in the 4th round?.....after his pro day I heard a number of NFL people calling him a mid round pick
"Faith" has nothing to do with it. It is what it is. And no TE has a mid-round grade that has a total of 12 receptions in his senior year (29 receptions in 4 years of college I might add). I look at draft grades from multiple sources just like everyone else. The highest grade I've found on him was as a possible 7th rounder. Adrien Robinson is the definition of a reach since the probability was that he wasn't going to be drafted. I mean this kid would have been a reach in the 6th round lol.

While I completely agree with you, Reese does this every once in a while.

Look at Jaquain Williams, I think its very possible if not likely he goes undrafted if we dont pick him in the 5th. Few knew who he was. Analysts were stumped. Yet we picked him the 5th. We spent a 6th rounder on Adrian Tracy, another guy who very well could have gone undrafted. Reese doesnt mind swinging for the fences on kids he likes. If the reports are true about this kids pro day numbers then he is the best athlete at the TE position in the draft, on top of that, he is an actual end like blocking TE, something rare in college football these days.
</P>


We took Williams in the 6th . . . . </P>

You are right, but the point still stands. There is little chance he gets drafted if we dont take him. No other teams had shown any interest in him and I suspect few knew who he was.


And for the record, many of the teams who brought Robinson in for an interview ended up drafting a TE. There were also reportedly enough teams at his pro day to see his outstanding performance that I very seriously doubt he goes undrafted as is suggested above.
Ya, but i think theres a big diffrence because Williams only played a season at S.FLA, and Robinson played 5seasons at Cincy... It was more of not having been around long enough to be noticed with WIlliams.. Once i did research on Jaquain Williams after we picked em, i said it was kinda like getting a 2nd rd pick in the 6th rd, just a yr early... If Jaquain went back to S.FLA and improved his numbers, which most good prospects usually do, he could of been a 2nd rder this past yr, and at least, would of been on a ton of teams radars... Adrien Robinson played a full career at Cincy, and still didn't produce..

BlueSanta
05-04-2012, 08:39 PM
Adrien Robinson was the only pick that really had me scratching my head. I would have picked up George Iloka (instead of Janzen Jackson as a UDFA and<font size="4"> grabbed Robinson as a UDFA instead)</font>. Otherwise the whole draft, value wise was a home run by and large. Now to see if they actually get that value out of them.
Lol, u have so little faith in the Giants management that you think they picked an UDFA in the 4th round?.....after his pro day I heard a number of NFL people calling him a mid round pick
"Faith" has nothing to do with it. It is what it is. And no TE has a mid-round grade that has a total of 12 receptions in his senior year (29 receptions in 4 years of college I might add). I look at draft grades from multiple sources just like everyone else. The highest grade I've found on him was as a possible 7th rounder. Adrien Robinson is the definition of a reach since the probability was that he wasn't going to be drafted. I mean this kid would have been a reach in the 6th round lol.

While I completely agree with you, Reese does this every once in a while.

Look at Jaquain Williams, I think its very possible if not likely he goes undrafted if we dont pick him in the 5th. Few knew who he was. Analysts were stumped. Yet we picked him the 5th. We spent a 6th rounder on Adrian Tracy, another guy who very well could have gone undrafted. Reese doesnt mind swinging for the fences on kids he likes. If the reports are true about this kids pro day numbers then he is the best athlete at the TE position in the draft, on top of that, he is an actual end like blocking TE, something rare in college football these days.
</p>


We took Williams in the 6th . . . . </p>

You are right, but the point still stands. There is little chance he gets drafted if we dont take him. No other teams had shown any interest in him and I suspect few knew who he was.


And for the record, many of the teams who brought Robinson in for an interview ended up drafting a TE. There were also reportedly enough teams at his pro day to see his outstanding performance that I very seriously doubt he goes undrafted as is suggested above.
Ya, but i think theres a big diffrence because Williams only played a season at S.FLA, and Robinson played 5seasons at Cincy... It was more of not having been around long enough to be noticed with WIlliams.. Once i did research on Jaquain Williams after we picked em, i said it was kinda like getting a 2nd rd pick in the 6th rd, just a yr early... If Jaquain went back to S.FLA and improved his numbers, which most good prospects usually do, he could of been a 2nd rder this past yr, and at least, would of been on a ton of teams radars... Adrien Robinson played a full career at Cincy, and still didn't produce..



I am production guy. So I definitely know what you mean(*cough* David Wilson.) I am just saying it is insane to think if we didnt select him he would go undrafted after the pro day he had. That is what I was responding to.

The Cowboys and Steelers, among others, had shown interest in him enough to both attend his pro day and invite him to an interview after it. We selected him and they went on to pick other guys later in the draft who they had not interviewed(that I could find.) Furthermore, it is a little more difficult to analyze the production of a blocking TE. Receptions are what people make videos of, but receptions are a terrible way to predict the ability of a end line blocking TE. How many here have seen him actually block enough to rate him in that regard?. The Giants do use TEs as a blocker 1st and formost so it is a fair question to ask. We have to assume Reese has a lot more video of this kid actually blocking than we do.



Cinci was not a passing team last year. In fact, they ran the ball almost 80% of the time. That is among the highest run %'s major college football. Its hard to accurately evaluate a TE as a passcatching threat when your offense is so clearly based on the run(ranked 1st in big east in rushing and 2nd to last in passing.)

So while I admit I was shocked by the pick and never saw it coming, I understand that I just dont have the resources to evaluate guys as end line blocking TEs unless they play for a team I see a LOT of. There just isnt enough film out there available for us to see of him as a blocker. I assume Reese and company actually do have the resources to evaluate him correctly. Therefor, I have to trust them on this 1. I do know enough to say that his pro day numbers are as good as any TE in the draft, especially when you consider his size and the fact that he was mostly used as a blocker.

ross_stephen
05-13-2012, 08:03 AM
I think it is perfectly fine to reach for a player you like and believe can be a star. If we were a rebuilding team, and we really needed 7 players to make the roster, then fine, go with the safer player. In this case, I'm very happy for them to swing for the fences. Because I believe we have a very good roster coming back, including those who were injured last year. I don't think all 7 picks will make the roster. Swing for the fences, find a star. I trust JR and his teams opinions.

.

nycsportzfan
05-13-2012, 08:14 AM
Adrien Robinson was the only pick that really had me scratching my head. I would have picked up George Iloka (instead of Janzen Jackson as a UDFA and<FONT size=4> grabbed Robinson as a UDFA instead)</FONT>. Otherwise the whole draft, value wise was a home run by and large. Now to see if they actually get that value out of them.
Lol, u have so little faith in the Giants management that you think they picked an UDFA in the 4th round?.....after his pro day I heard a number of NFL people calling him a mid round pick
"Faith" has nothing to do with it. It is what it is. And no TE has a mid-round grade that has a total of 12 receptions in his senior year (29 receptions in 4 years of college I might add). I look at draft grades from multiple sources just like everyone else. The highest grade I've found on him was as a possible 7th rounder. Adrien Robinson is the definition of a reach since the probability was that he wasn't going to be drafted. I mean this kid would have been a reach in the 6th round lol.

While I completely agree with you, Reese does this every once in a while.

Look at Jaquain Williams, I think its very possible if not likely he goes undrafted if we dont pick him in the 5th. Few knew who he was. Analysts were stumped. Yet we picked him the 5th. We spent a 6th rounder on Adrian Tracy, another guy who very well could have gone undrafted. Reese doesnt mind swinging for the fences on kids he likes. If the reports are true about this kids pro day numbers then he is the best athlete at the TE position in the draft, on top of that, he is an actual end like blocking TE, something rare in college football these days.
</P>


We took Williams in the 6th . . . . </P>

You are right, but the point still stands. There is little chance he gets drafted if we dont take him. No other teams had shown any interest in him and I suspect few knew who he was.


And for the record, many of the teams who brought Robinson in for an interview ended up drafting a TE. There were also reportedly enough teams at his pro day to see his outstanding performance that I very seriously doubt he goes undrafted as is suggested above.
Ya, but i think theres a big diffrence because Williams only played a season at S.FLA, and Robinson played 5seasons at Cincy... It was more of not having been around long enough to be noticed with WIlliams.. Once i did research on Jaquain Williams after we picked em, i said it was kinda like getting a 2nd rd pick in the 6th rd, just a yr early... If Jaquain went back to S.FLA and improved his numbers, which most good prospects usually do, he could of been a 2nd rder this past yr, and at least, would of been on a ton of teams radars... Adrien Robinson played a full career at Cincy, and still didn't produce..


I am production guy. So I definitely know what you mean(*cough* David Wilson.) I am just saying it is insane to think if we didnt select him he would go undrafted after the pro day he had. That is what I was responding to.

The Cowboys and Steelers, among others, had shown interest in him enough to both attend his pro day and invite him to an interview after it. We selected him and they went on to pick other guys later in the draft who they had not interviewed(that I could find.) Furthermore, it is a little more difficult to analyze the production of a blocking TE. Receptions are what people make videos of, but receptions are a terrible way to predict the ability of a end line blocking TE. How many here have seen him actually block enough to rate him in that regard?. The Giants do use TEs as a blocker 1st and formost so it is a fair question to ask. We have to assume Reese has a lot more video of this kid actually blocking than we do.


Cinci was not a passing team last year. In fact, they ran the ball almost 80% of the time. That is among the highest run %'s major college football. Its hard to accurately evaluate a TE as a passcatching threat when your offense is so clearly based on the run(ranked 1st in big east in rushing and 2nd to last in passing.)

So while I admit I was shocked by the pick and never saw it coming, I understand that I just dont have the resources to evaluate guys as end line blocking TEs unless they play for a team I see a LOT of. There just isnt enough film out there available for us to see of him as a blocker. I assume Reese and company actually do have the resources to evaluate him correctly. Therefor, I have to trust them on this 1. I do know enough to say that his pro day numbers are as good as any TE in the draft, especially when you consider his size and the fact that he was mostly used as a blocker.
Ya, as far as going UDF, ur probably right.. I may or may not of said the same thing when the pick occured or shortly after, becasue i was annoyed, but after calming down, i agree, he'd of gotten picked, but i still wonder if we could of gotten him in RD 6? But maybe Reese thought we coulden't, and really liked em.. Who knows? Either way, i don't think the value was there, but that dosen't matter, as i'm a fan of Adrien Robinson's now, and maybe we get lucky with the Cincy TE like the Eagles did with there Cincy TE Brent Celek...

nycsportzfan
09-29-2012, 07:53 AM
Adrien Robinson was the only pick that really had me scratching my head. I would have picked up George Iloka (instead of Janzen Jackson as a UDFA and<font size="4"> grabbed Robinson as a UDFA instead)</font>.

Otherwise the whole draft, value wise was a home run by and large.

Now to see if they actually get that value out of them.
Lol, u have so little faith in the Giants management that you think they picked an UDFA in the 4th round?.....after his pro day I heard a number of NFL people calling him a mid round pick


"Faith" has nothing to do with it. It is what it is.

And no TE has a mid-round grade that has a total of 12 receptions in his senior year (29 receptions in 4 years of college I might add).

I look at draft grades from multiple sources just like everyone else. The highest grade I've found on him was as a possible 7th rounder.

Adrien Robinson is the definition of a reach since the probability was that he wasn't going to be drafted.

I mean this kid would have been a reach in the 6th round lol.

While I completely agree with you, Reese does this every once in a while.

Look at Jaquain Williams, I think its very possible if not likely he goes undrafted if we dont pick him in the 5th. Few knew who he was. Analysts were stumped. Yet we picked him the 5th. We spent a 6th rounder on Adrian Tracy, another guy who very well could have gone undrafted. Reese doesnt mind swinging for the fences on kids he likes. If the reports are true about this kids pro day numbers then he is the best athlete at the TE position in the draft, on top of that, he is an actual end like blocking TE, something rare in college football these days. I dissagree about Tracy.. As Redeye can atest to, he was a guy i was hoping for in the 6th rd when we picked.. I expected em to go in the late 5th rd range, somewhere around when Arthur Moats went, who was another small school kid who u probably would of had up here as a guy jerry reached for had we picked em, but in reality, both were real prospects who most generally had getting picked before RD 7.. Tracy was ridiculous small school prospect with a non stop motor, relentless stats, and on top of that, he was like really really bright, if i recall.. Not to mention, built like a OX..

Jaquain Williams was also diffrent then Robinson, because Williams produced at S.FLA.. He wasen't just a guy who was thrown in there because of his combine numbers.. Like i said right after researching him that day we drafted em, "i could see this kid going in the 2nd rd if he stayed at S.FLA for another yr and his numbers increased a tad like most prospects do yr to yr"... And we took em at the end of RD 6, which is generally when u start reaching for guys anyways.. I doubted Adrien Robinson then, and i still doubt em.. I would be shocked if he had any kinda significant role on this team down the line, all though i'd been wrong before...

nycsportzfan
09-29-2012, 07:58 AM
1. Cordy Glenn OT/G Georgia</P>


2. Dwayne Allen TE Clemson</P>


3. Jayron Hosley CB Va.Tech</P>


4. Brandon Mosley OT Auburn</P>


4. Danny Coale WR Va.Tech</P>


6. Cam Johnson DE Virginia</P>


7. Chris Polk RB Washington</P> I really like my hindsight mock draft.. Like i said at the time, my favorite pick was the Hosley pick, and i for sure would of taken Cordy Glenn in 1st rd over Wilson, which right now, Glenn looks like a future multiple Pro Bowl player for the bills.. Dwayne Allen hasen't been super big in the reg season, but showed alot in the preseason, and has showed enough to make me a believer in his future overall.. He'd be great to have sitting in the wings waiting and learning, untill Bennett gets the big contract hes probably gonna get in the offseason.. Obviously, its still really early to tell, and i really can't say much about the other guys i have in hindsight draft as opposed to our real draft..

Redeyejedi
09-29-2012, 09:44 AM
1. Cordy Glenn OT/G Georgia</P>


2. Dwayne Allen TE Clemson</P>


3. Jayron Hosley CB Va.Tech</P>


4. Brandon Mosley OT Auburn</P>


4. Danny Coale WR Va.Tech</P>


6. Cam Johnson DE Virginia</P>


7. Chris Polk RB Washington</P>
Im still puzzled by Glenn .All the rumors claimed the Giants were high on him unless it was a smoke screen but I dont think so.It was said on draft day he was the highest player on the Giants board. Either the Giants got cold feet because of his medical or they werent high on any other RB's and they felt they had to get 1. Im going to be very pissed if Wilson doesnt get on the field this season. Its a waste if he doesnt.

No 1 should be picking Greg Childs he tore ACL/MCL in both knees in training camp his career is over

Redeyejedi
09-29-2012, 09:56 AM
Adrien Robinson was the only pick that really had me scratching my head. I would have picked up George Iloka (instead of Janzen Jackson as a UDFA and<FONT size=4> grabbed Robinson as a UDFA instead)</FONT>. Otherwise the whole draft, value wise was a home run by and large. Now to see if they actually get that value out of them.
Lol, u have so little faith in the Giants management that you think they picked an UDFA in the 4th round?.....after his pro day I heard a number of NFL people calling him a mid round pick
"Faith" has nothing to do with it. It is what it is. And no TE has a mid-round grade that has a total of 12 receptions in his senior year (29 receptions in 4 years of college I might add). I look at draft grades from multiple sources just like everyone else. The highest grade I've found on him was as a possible 7th rounder. Adrien Robinson is the definition of a reach since the probability was that he wasn't going to be drafted. I mean this kid would have been a reach in the 6th round lol.

While I completely agree with you, Reese does this every once in a while.

Look at Jaquain Williams, I think its very possible if not likely he goes undrafted if we dont pick him in the 5th. Few knew who he was. Analysts were stumped. Yet we picked him the 5th. We spent a 6th rounder on Adrian Tracy, another guy who very well could have gone undrafted. Reese doesnt mind swinging for the fences on kids he likes. If the reports are true about this kids pro day numbers then he is the best athlete at the TE position in the draft, on top of that, he is an actual end like blocking TE, something rare in college football these days.
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We took Williams in the 6th . . . . </P>




You are right, but the point still stands. There is little chance he gets drafted if we dont take him. No other teams had shown any interest in him and I suspect few knew who he was.


And for the record, many of the teams who brought Robinson in for an interview ended up drafting a TE. There were also reportedly enough teams at his pro day to see his outstanding performance that I very seriously doubt he goes undrafted as is suggested above.
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I don't disagree . . . . I think that a lot ofteams take 6th and 7th roundersthat have a chance to go undrafted because: (1) they like the player; and (2) don't want to risk losing him once the bidding for UDFA's starts. Taking a guy in the draft obvioulsy insures that he wil be on your team . . . . eliminates the uncertainty of bidding for the player once the draft ends . . . . </P>
2 other teams I saw that like Jacquain Williams Bears and Bucs. I think Robinson would of got drafted but not until at least the 6th round. Even the Giants admitted they were targeting him for the 5th round. I dont get why if u have a 5th rd grade on a guy u draft him in the 4th. U can move up and down u dont have to pick him right then

TheEnigma
09-29-2012, 12:19 PM
1. Cordy Glenn OT/G - Would have a monster season at RT for us and depending on Beatty's future, could possibly of moved to LT

2. Rueben Randle WR - He's the future with Cruz. As much as I love Nicks, I don't see a longterm contract for him from the Giants.

3. Jayron Hosley CB - Love what he has done so far. Perfect slot corner.

4a. Malik Jackson DE - Has good size to play on the left side of the line. Would trust him more to stop the run than our current depth behind Tuck.

4b. Alfred Morris/Vick Ballard RB - I was always a Ballard fan around the 4th to 6th but it seems Morris would of been a fine choice as well.

6. Audie Cole LB - Shined in the preseason but even though, would make excellent depth and a good ST player.

7. Markus Kuhn DT - I'm convinced he can be an impact player for us in 2013 or 2014. He has the talent, just needs to work on his technique.

Imgrate
09-29-2012, 07:34 PM
branchRandleCharlesraineyIlokaI guess mine was ok. Not drafting a cb was a bad decision.

nycsportzfan
09-30-2012, 01:33 AM
1. Cordy Glenn OT/G - Would have a monster season at RT for us and depending on Beatty's future, could possibly of moved to LT

2. Rueben Randle WR - He's the future with Cruz. As much as I love Nicks, I don't see a longterm contract for him from the Giants.

3. Jayron Hosley CB - Love what he has done so far. Perfect slot corner.

4a. Malik Jackson DE - Has good size to play on the left side of the line. Would trust him more to stop the run than our current depth behind Tuck.

4b. Alfred Morris/Vick Ballard RB - I was always a Ballard fan around the 4th to 6th but it seems Morris would of been a fine choice as well.

6. Audie Cole LB - Shined in the preseason but even though, would make excellent depth and a good ST player.

7. Markus Kuhn DT - I'm convinced he can be an impact player for us in 2013 or 2014. He has the talent, just needs to work on his technique. Did u do a hinsight mock when we did this thread?

nycsportzfan
09-30-2012, 01:35 AM
Im still puzzled by Glenn .All the rumors claimed the Giants were high on him unless it was a smoke screen but I dont think so.It was said on draft day he was the highest player on the Giants board. Either the Giants got cold feet because of his medical or they werent high on any other RB's and they felt they had to get 1. Im going to be very pissed if Wilson doesnt get on the field this season. Its a waste if he doesnt.

No 1 should be picking Greg Childs he tore ACL/MCL in both knees in training camp his career is over I dont have Greg Childs in my hindisght mock? I agree about Glenn.. It is very puzzling with the value we've gotten outta later RD RB's in the past.. Like i said then and stick 2, the only 2 RB's i had 1st rd grades on were Wilson and Martin.. I still think we'd of taken Martin if he was on the board... Glenn would of been a beast 1st rd pick, that i sure wish we made!

TheEnigma
09-30-2012, 03:53 PM
Did u do a hinsight mock when we did this thread?

Nah. I must of not caught it when it was originally relevant.