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RoanokeFan
04-29-2012, 11:41 PM
GIANTS' DE OSI UMENYIORA RIPS GM JERRY REESE, SAYING GM IS MAKING HIM LOOK LIKE A "GREEDY PIG" (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/ny-giants-defensive-osi-umenyiora-rips-gm-jerry-reese-gm-making-greedy-pig-article-1.1069584)

"The war between Osi Umenyiora (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Osi+Umenyiora) and <a title="Jerry Reese" href="http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Jerry+Reese">Jerry
Reese</a> is heating up again.
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One day after the Giants’ GM insisted the team
has offered Umenyiora a contract extension in each of the last two seasons, the
unhappy defensive end fired back, saying Reese was distorting the truth to make
him look like “a greedy pig.” In an email to the Daily News on Sunday, Umenyiora
said the Giants’ offer last summer wasn’t actually an extension, and their offer
this year wasn’t much of an offer at all. Umenyiora didn’t go as far as he did
last spring, when he accused Reese of being a liar in a court affidavit, but his
anger was still clear.
“Last year I was offered incentives. This year they
offered me in guaranteed money, HALF of what they just gave Kiwi guaranteed.
HALF,” Umenyiora wrote. “I’m not making that up. Then Jerry tells the world they
offered me an extension and I turned it down. And I look like a greedy pig for
turning it down. Hilarious.”
Mathias Kiwanuka (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Mathias+Kiwanuka)
recently got a three-year contract extension worth a total of $21.75 million
that included an $8.5 million signing bonus and $10.95 million in guaranteed
money. If Umenyiora really was offered “half” of that guaranteed money, it means
the Giants were only willing to guarantee about $5.5 million for him.
Clearly
they knew that wouldn’t get it done. Umenyiora, who is scheduled to make $3.975
million this year in the final year of a seven-year, $41.5 million extension he
signed in 2005, is seeking a deal worth an average of $10 million per year and
$15 million-$17 million in guaranteed money. For proof, in an interview on WFAN
last week, he pointed to recent contracts signed by Eagles defensive end Trent Cole (http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Trent+Cole)
(four years, $48 million, $15 million guaranteed) and Colts <a title="Robert Mathis" href="http://www.nydailynews.com/topics/Robert+Mathis">defensive end Robert
Mathis</a> (four years, $36 million, $17 million guaranteed) as comparable
deals.
Last summer, after Umenyiora staged a one-day training camp holdout to
protest his contract, the 30-year-old did turn down the offer of incentives tied
to his sack numbers. He apparently got an offer of an actual extension recently,
following the 12 ½ sacks in 13 games he had in the 2011 season.
But the offer
clearly wasn’t good enough to rebuild the bridge between Umenyiora and the team
that was nearly torched last spring when, in a deposition as part of the NFL
players’ antitrust suit against the league during the lockout, the defensive end
accused Reese of lying to him. He claimed Reese reneged on a 2008 promise to
“either renegotiate my current contract so that it would be equal to that of the
top five defensive ends playing or (trade him) to a team that would do
that.”
According to a source close to the eight-year veteran, Umenyiora’s
anger bubbled over again on Sunday when he heard Reese say, “Osi has been
offered an extension two years in a row now.” Reese also said, “All options are
open” with Umenyiora, including a trade.
Whether Umenyiora now wants or will
demand a trade is not clear, because he has decided to stop talking about this
dispute in public. In his email to The News, he said “I will be going completely
silent after I send you this because it’s obvious talking does nothing!” As for
his specific plans, Umenyiora would only say “things will be very interesting,
that’s for sure.”</p>
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RoanokeFan
04-29-2012, 11:45 PM
And so it begins.

byron
04-29-2012, 11:47 PM
what a mess...thanks rf

RoanokeFan
04-29-2012, 11:48 PM
what a mess...thanks rf

This type of tactic didn't end well for Shockey

Axels15
04-29-2012, 11:49 PM
Great player

But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

mommy2dylan
04-29-2012, 11:51 PM
sad part is that the situation does not bode well for Osi and his tactics .... see some reasons below

1. JPP emergence
2. Tuck Leadership
3. Kiwi Extension
4. Osi Age
5. Giants D-Line Depth

RoanokeFan
04-29-2012, 11:52 PM
Great player

But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...

DVision
04-29-2012, 11:53 PM
Osi has no leverage whatsoever. He can holdout and lose money on a daily basis, he can come in and ride the bike, he can decide to not play next season. None of them will help him or his cause. Maybe if he would have kept his mouth shut from the beginning, he could play an entire 16 games, and he was open to contributing and doing whatever was asked of him without complaining he'd had received an offer like Kiwi.

His best bet is to play out of his mind his final year and look for a good deal as a FA.

RoanokeFan
04-29-2012, 11:54 PM
sad part is that the situation does not bode well for Osi and his tactics .... see some reasons below

1. JPP emergence
2. Tuck Leadership
3. Kiwi Extension
4. Osi Age
5. Giants D-Line Depth

6. Under contract for one more year

Axels15
04-29-2012, 11:54 PM
Great player

But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...


That's both true and not true.

They can, but I'd be worried about the DEs that we have left.

Not that I don't think Tuck and JPP are amazing, because they are. But we'd be one injury away from a weak rotation, and even if we move Kiwi back, it would still be a little worrying for me.

It was actually why I was surprised they didn't draft one. Who takes over for Tolly?

Drez
04-29-2012, 11:56 PM
what a mess...thanks rf

This type of tactic didn't end well for Shockey

As of yet, even though Osi has been toeing the line, he's stayed mostly on this side of it, and decided to be a good soldier (mostly, depending on whether or not one thinks he was as injured as he portrayed last season) when it came down to it.

RoanokeFan
04-29-2012, 11:56 PM
Great player

But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...


That's both true and not true.

They can, but I'd be worried about the DEs that we have left.

Not that I don't think Tuck and JPP are amazing, because they are. But we'd be one injury away from a weak rotation, and even if we move Kiwi back, it would still be a little worrying for me.

It was actually why I was surprised they didn't draft one. Who takes over for Tolly?

That was just frustration. I am so weary of this drama when we need everyone to be ALL-IN to have a chance of repeating.

Axels15
04-29-2012, 11:58 PM
Great player

But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...


That's both true and not true.

They can, but I'd be worried about the DEs that we have left.

Not that I don't think Tuck and JPP are amazing, because they are. But we'd be one injury away from a weak rotation, and even if we move Kiwi back, it would still be a little worrying for me.

It was actually why I was surprised they didn't draft one. Who takes over for Tolly?

That was just frustration.* I am so weary of this drama when we need everyone to be ALL-IN to have a chance of repeating.


Totally with you. It's similar to the way I felt about Reyes last year (yes, I'm a met fan. Yes, I know how sad it is)

Obviously, Reyes was not crying like Osi is, but I always thought last year that the best move would have been to trade him and get something for him.

I feel the same way now about Osi

DVision
04-29-2012, 11:58 PM
I also find it funny that Osi can go in front of the cameras and on the radio and complain as much as he wants, but JR answers a question brought up to him in a presser involving Osi and he flips!

RoanokeFan
04-29-2012, 11:59 PM
I also find it funny that Osi can go in front of the cameras and on the radio and complain as much as he wants, but JR answers a question brought up to him in a presser involving Osi and he flips!

Osi wants out and he sees this as the shortest path.

DVision
04-30-2012, 12:01 AM
I also find it funny that Osi can go in front of the cameras and on the radio and complain as much as he wants, but JR answers a question brought up to him in a presser involving Osi and he flips!

Osi wants out and he sees this as the shortest path.


Osi must think this is the NBA. You can't force teams to trade you in the NFL.

NYG55nwo
04-30-2012, 12:01 AM
Osi has no leverage whatsoever. He can holdout and lose money on a daily basis, he can come in and ride the bike, he can decide to not play next season. None of them will help him or his cause. Maybe if he would have kept his mouth shut from the beginning, he could play an entire 16 games, and he was open to contributing and doing whatever was asked of him without complaining he'd had received an offer like Kiwi. His best bet is to play out of his mind his final year and look for a good deal as a FA.</P>


I agree. What can he possibly gain from all this talk? They already gave him the OK to seek a trade las year and no one would agree to theterms set. Just shut up already </P>

Drez
04-30-2012, 12:03 AM
Osi has no leverage whatsoever. He can holdout and lose money on a daily basis, he can come in and ride the bike, he can decide to not play next season. None of them will help him or his cause. Maybe if he would have kept his mouth shut from the beginning, he could play an entire 16 games, and he was open to contributing and doing whatever was asked of him without complaining he'd had received an offer like Kiwi. His best bet is to play out of his mind his final year and look for a good deal as a FA.</p>


I agree. What can he possibly gain from all this talk? They already gave him the OK to seek a trade las year and no one would agree to theterms set. Just shut up already </p>
To play devil's advocate, we also don't know what we were asking. If we were asking for a 1st+, then I could see why there weren't many bites.

RoanokeFan
04-30-2012, 12:05 AM
I also find it funny that Osi can go in front of the cameras and on the radio and complain as much as he wants, but JR answers a question brought up to him in a presser involving Osi and he flips!

Osi wants out and he sees this as the shortest path.


Osi must think this is the NBA. You can't force teams to trade you in the NFL.

But you can go from a positive force to a distraction and a liability in a nano-second.

DVision
04-30-2012, 12:07 AM
I also find it funny that Osi can go in front of the cameras and on the radio and complain as much as he wants, but JR answers a question brought up to him in a presser involving Osi and he flips!

Osi wants out and he sees this as the shortest path.


Osi must think this is the NBA. You can't force teams to trade you in the NFL.

But you can go from a positive force to a distraction and a liability in a nano-second.


You can also go from riding the bike to season ending IR in a nano second!

And again the distraction title is not gonna help him cash in next season!

JJC7301
04-30-2012, 12:07 AM
Great player

But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...

Osi did warn them to make the trade.

RoanokeFan
04-30-2012, 12:09 AM
Great player

But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...

Osi did warn them to make the trade.

What leverage does he have? He didn't warn them, he's begging them.

DVision
04-30-2012, 12:09 AM
Great player

But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...

Osi did warn them to make the trade.

So now players dictate to management on how to make moves?

NYG55nwo
04-30-2012, 12:12 AM
Osi has no leverage whatsoever. He can holdout and lose money on a daily basis, he can come in and ride the bike, he can decide to not play next season. None of them will help him or his cause. Maybe if he would have kept his mouth shut from the beginning, he could play an entire 16 games, and he was open to contributing and doing whatever was asked of him without complaining he'd had received an offer like Kiwi. His best bet is to play out of his mind his final year and look for a good deal as a FA.</P>


I agree. What can he possibly gain from all this talk? They already gave him the OK to seek a trade las year and no one would agree to theterms set. Just shut up already </P>



To play devil's advocate, we also don't know what we were asking. If we were asking for a 1st+, then I could see why there weren't many bites.
</P>


They probably were askin for a 1st or 2ndround. Osi is not the type of player to let go of for a 3rd rounderi mean he is great at what he doesbut at the same time he may not be worth a long term extension and all this moneydue to age. tough situation. </P>

JJC7301
04-30-2012, 12:12 AM
Great player

But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...

Osi did warn them to make the trade.

So now players dictate to management on how to make moves?
No, I don't approve of it but just stating that he did warn, or beg as Roanoke pointed out.

Personally, I want him to stay and at least finish out this contract.

RoanokeFan
04-30-2012, 12:16 AM
Great player

But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...

Osi did warn them to make the trade.

So now players dictate to management on how to make moves?
No, I don't approve of it but just stating that he did warn, or beg as Roanoke pointed out.

Personally, I want him to stay and at least finish out this contract.

That's still a possibility. But if they make him honor his contract and he refuses to play he is flushing his career down the drain, IMO.

byron
04-30-2012, 12:18 AM
Great player But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...
Osi did warn them to make the trade. So now players dictate to management on how to make moves? </P>


yeah I don't think giving in to him is the answeryou can't let players run your business...they are putting what ever happens all on him which is the right thing to do ....Heneeds tohonor his contract if he doesn't like what they are offering....</P>

I Bleed Blue 56
04-30-2012, 12:31 AM
They should just trade him to miami for jake long and we reconstruct jake longs contract and call it a day. There was a time in my life when I loved Osi but now hes really just annoying me he doesnt understand once a Giant always a Giant. Greedy basA**d. Shouldnt have signed your contract if you knew you would exceed it. Im sorry but these players make way too much money to not honor there contracts. The nfl should change it to where if you sign it you must play through or be sued point blank this is getting annoying.

cornerback30
04-30-2012, 12:34 AM
Had Osi said this during draft day he was definitly outta here,now can anyone say Jeremy Shockey

Flip Empty
04-30-2012, 12:45 AM
They should just trade him to miami for jake long and we reconstruct jake longs contract and call it a day
Hell yes if that was possible. Long is worth more though.

radar-ray
04-30-2012, 12:46 AM
Osi has no leverage, as he is under contract for this year. If he sits out, which he won't, he'll being shooting himself in the foot. That being said if JR bs'd about last years extension, I don't blame Osi for going off, not to mention offering 1/2 of what they gave Kiwi this year. Makes me think JR did promise Osi a re-negotiated contract and renaged. </P>

TheEnigma
04-30-2012, 12:49 AM
They should just trade him to miami for jake long and we reconstruct jake longs contract and call it a day
Hell yes if that was possible. Long is worth more though.Osi, Beatty, and a 1st wouldn't be worth enough lol.

I Bleed Blue 56
04-30-2012, 12:52 AM
They should just trade him to miami for jake long and we reconstruct jake longs contract and call it a day Hell yes if that was possible. Long is worth more though.Osi, Beatty, and a 1st wouldn't be worth enough lol.</P>


Never know they didnt do anything to addrress there D-line and they are supposely shopping Jake Long it can happen I can only hope but that would be a good trade Long coming off an injury Giants are good at lowering contracts becuase of that. We shall see </P>

giantsfan420
04-30-2012, 12:56 AM
oh no osi isnt a greedy pig. he just wants top 5 de money when he's the 3rd best de on our team and a backup...

I mean, cmon its completely fair to demand 10-15 mil per season as a back up player. and cmon, its completely fair to start insulting your boss to get what you want...

SMFH, osi has the mental capacity of a 5 yr old...HEY, MORON. WHY THE **** WOULD ANYONE GIVE YOU WHAT YOU WANT WHEN YOUR INSULT AND ACT LIKE A ***** ****.

if i'm JR, i say to osi tmrw. "I expect u here when it becomes mandatory. I am having the team dr look u over. If he clears your health, and u try and have another phantom surgery, we will not pay you. If you hold out, fine. Ur decision. We WILL NOT relinquish your rights. With your little spiel to the news, the only way I'm trading you is for 3 1rst round picks. You obviously feel your worth that, so, why would I take anything less. See ya at training camp."

TheEnigma
04-30-2012, 12:57 AM
They should just trade him to miami for jake long and we reconstruct jake longs contract and call it a day Hell yes if that was possible. Long is worth more though.Osi, Beatty, and a 1st wouldn't be worth enough lol.</P>


Never know they didnt do anything to addrress there D-line and they are supposely shopping Jake Long it can happen I can only hope but that would be a good trade Long coming off an injury Giants are good at lowering contracts becuase of that. We shall see </P>lol we could only hope such a trade would be possible. Though if I recall, that report about Long was just a rumor that surfaced in light of them drafting Martin in the second round. The guy was trying to make a story of the already circus Miami Dolphins.

giantsfan420
04-30-2012, 12:59 AM
and anyone else find it disrespectful for osi to talk about kiwis contract? i've read time and time again, you do not go public with players contracts and **** things up for them...

not only is he throwing JR under the bus, now he seems to feel he should throw kiwi under it too...

i really would handle this as if osi personally insulted me. i wouldnt even care if he sat out...in fact, i'd taunt osi to the point of retirement...and then blackball him amongst the other gm's

giantsfan420
04-30-2012, 01:00 AM
i'd go to the grave with osi's player rights clenched in my fist.

G-Men Surg.
04-30-2012, 01:42 AM
Great player

But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...

Agree but it seems like the dispute is only getting worse, when it looks like they take a step foward they take two backwards. I truly don't see this marriage ending well.

Harooni
04-30-2012, 01:46 AM
Great player

But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

same feeling , i saw this 2years ago. might have got some good value then, we won games without him,dispite him being a great player.

JR is not making him look greedy , his not signing those extensions and whining that did it.

BigBlue121
04-30-2012, 01:59 AM
What i hate is that this is tainting our locker room. I read an article where JPP said if it was him he'd do it the same way........way to set an example Osi. Thank god Cruz has a mind of his own

Harooni
04-30-2012, 02:15 AM
if osi feels his contract extensions are an insult, as BJ did. then ok, but Y drag this thing out in the media?

Redeyejedi
04-30-2012, 02:17 AM
And so it begins.*
Begins? I dont think it ever ended

rainierjef
04-30-2012, 02:47 AM
it has come to my conclusion that either reading comprehension lacks in new york or this country for that matter or people love to hate everything about this guy period. no gray area just black and white hatred.

in the words of Mr.Umenyiora: “I will be going completely
silent after I send you this because it’s obvious, talking does nothing!”



Stay angry my friends.

GreenZone
04-30-2012, 03:13 AM
First, talking to Ralph bomb-thrower Vachiano is like throwing your career to the wolves. The guy is untrustworthy; he'll look to inflame a couple stories a year whenever the opportunity strikes, in order to get himself some extra notice.

Second, Osi's entire credibility is in question when he claimed on WFAN that his last contract wasn't nearly the $41 million that has been published (as all contracts are). Wow, what a claim. Is his own union ditching him too now?

Third, Osi says on the same interview, to paraphrase, that he's been giving for the team all this and it's me time for a change. Someone who claims that has been in "me time" mode for a lot longer than that.

And last, give up the need to have to have this ultimate hate or love for a player people. Just watch what's going on here. Most of us have good and bad qualities. Commenting on specifics is different from having to throw a player overboard, especially since you get a distorted view of the matter from the press and have no idea what really went on between he and Reese.

giantsfan420
04-30-2012, 03:27 AM
it has come to my conclusion that either reading comprehension lacks in new york or this country for that matter or people love to hate everything about this guy period. no gray area just black and white hatred.

in the words of Mr.Umenyiora: “I will be going completely
silent after I send you this because it’s obvious, talking does nothing!”



************************************************** ********************************************* Stay angry my friends.

ur right, ur reading comprehension lacks...

osi IS a greedy, unrealistic, self centered pig...he not only threw JR under the bus, now he feels he can throw kiwi under the bus...kiwis business is just that, kiwis...osi is a hypocrite. an unrealistic, self centered hypocrite....he's brought up how many players business now? coles, kiwis, mathis...i personally hope JR makes an example outta him by not giving him any extra money or extension, forcing him to play his last yr out...and if osi wants to hold out, i hope JR holds out on the rights to osi...tired of his bs

RagTime Blue
04-30-2012, 04:16 AM
I think the bottom line is that Osi isn't worth what he thinks he's worth (or what his agent tells him he's worth).

Why wouldn't the Giants want to "lock-up" a great player for the remainder of his career? Perhaps it's gotten personal (which doesn't seem like JR's way. . .he's all business), or maybe he just isn't worth as much as he thinks he is.

I wonder if the thought has ever crossed his mind.

BlueSanta
04-30-2012, 04:46 AM
Great player

But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...

Osi did warn them to make the trade.

So now players dictate to management on how to make moves?
No, I don't approve of it but just stating that he did warn, or beg as Roanoke pointed out.

Personally, I want him to stay and at least finish out this contract.

Reese said he was open to all options. That means he did not get a realistic offer.

Osi is not exactly highly tradable. Whoever traded for him would have to assume the burden of his contract demands, since nobody will give up anything worthwhile for a who could walk out the door at the end of the year.

He may want out, but someone else has to want him in for a trade to happen.

NY_Eli
04-30-2012, 04:57 AM
I'm sorry, but I have to side with Osi on this one.

He's been on this team longer than ANYONE else on the roster. And he's been consistently GREAT for that time, minus one missed year due to injury.

Can you really blame him for being upset that the giants offered him half of what Kiwanuka got in guaranteed money? I can't.

He says he wants to be a starter and on any other team in the league he would be an outright starter. When you stockpile fantastic players at one position (DE) this is what happens. I don't blame Osi for being upset. If he gets injured this year his career could be over. Players need to get paid when they are in their prime. Osi still is.

I don't see why he doesn't deserve a trade or a new contract.

NYDestroyer
04-30-2012, 05:03 AM
Jerry Reese is being an IDIOT! How many DE does the giants have that can sack the QB and create turnovers at the same time? I vote for 1 and he is currently the second best DE on the team. They call him OSI UMENYIORA and he is not going to be easy to replace in the draft Reese. In my best Deion Sanders voice like he said to the Giants for Coughlin "Pay The Man."

Harooni
04-30-2012, 06:07 AM
why is it not obvious age plays into the contract that you are offered, kiwi is younger and a LB. has nothing to do with osi.

NY_Eli
04-30-2012, 06:31 AM
why is it not obvious age plays into the contract that you are offered, kiwi is younger and a LB.* has nothing to do with osi.


I acknowledge the Kiwi contract doesn't have much to do with Osi's because they play different positions.

But in terms of age, Kiwi is 29 and Osi is 30. Osi's been asking for an extension for a few years now too.

Firenugget
04-30-2012, 06:47 AM
I'm sorry, but I have to side with Osi on this one.

He's been on this team longer than ANYONE else on the roster. And he's been consistently GREAT for that time, minus one missed year due to injury.

Can you really blame him for being upset that the giants offered him half of what Kiwanuka got in guaranteed money? I can't.

He says he wants to be a starter and on any other team in the league he would be an outright starter. When you stockpile fantastic players at one position (DE) this is what happens. I don't blame Osi for being upset. If he gets injured this year his career could be over. Players need to get paid when they are in their prime. Osi still is.

I don't see why he doesn't deserve a trade or a new contract.

After he took the 41mil guaranteed? A record deal I might add...Yeah, I can blame him. What's Tuck getting paid?

Nobody is asking him to re-sign for garbage money. They're expecting him to live up to the extension he signed which was heavily front loaded. **** Osi. Trade him for whatever we can get so I can stop hearing his whining. Osi IS a "Greedy Pig" and doesn't need JR to make anyone believe it. JR simply answered a status question and said that Osi was offered extensions the past 2 years and turned them down.

Was he supposed to lie?

jparmer
04-30-2012, 06:56 AM
Reese holds all the cards, if osi wants to get paid he's gotta play. And he's gotta produce or no one is gonna pay him when he hits the market. He's already limiting his options with his temper tantrums. We got him for one more year, he can shut up and play or we can bench him all year and see how that works for him

GMENAGAIN
04-30-2012, 07:36 AM
I'm telling you that part of this is that Osi tried to pull a fast one on the Giants last year by trying to force them into giving him an extension while knowing that he had a knee injury that he hadn't told the team about . . . . . he didn't reveal the knee injury, which required surgery, until he finally had to come into camp . . . . </P>


I guarantee that this did not go over well with JR . . . . </P>

chasjay
04-30-2012, 07:54 AM
Osi would make a great message board member. He makes a statement expressing his viewpoint, then vows to say no more because his opinion is not open to question.

Love the player, hate the personality.

jakegibbs
04-30-2012, 08:24 AM
“Last year I was offered incentives. This year they offered me in guaranteed money, HALF of what they just gave Kiwi guaranteed. HALF,” Umenyiora wrote. “I’m not making that up.

Come on Mara family step up to the plate & pay the man at least what you're paying KIWI. Good grief let him retire as a NYG. He helped get 2 big trophey's & rings for ya right?

Show him the respect he deserves for goodness sakes.

buddy33
04-30-2012, 08:49 AM
The Giants don't have to do a thing. Let him play out his contract. If he sits or fakes an injury what team would give him a big pay day?

The problem with Osi is that is seems like we have been hearing him whining about the front loaded contract he signed before the ink even dried.

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 08:54 AM
$10MM per year?</P>


JR is dealing with a madman.</P>


Where are all the "Pay the Man" folks?</P>

berya
04-30-2012, 08:58 AM
Well this was kind of expected to be honest. As much as I'm pissed with Osi (how can one not be it's been going on way too long and he is testing/tested the patience of many). But I must say it takes two to tango. And for those who think Reese is totally clean in this are probably wrong.

On one hand we have Osi... Got paid 41mil already, lives in fantasy land wanting 10-15 mil a year when the dude is the 3rd best DE on our team. I understand he was pissed already last year when he basically tried to con his way to a contract being injured. I mean we all know he wasn't gonna get that contract but the fact remains the dude tried to con the team. I mean WTF.

On the other hand we have Reese... I'm serious when I say this (Osi is not perfect) but if I was Osi I would be mad as hell at Reese after those comments too. Reese just basically disrespected Osi big time. He offered him two contracts which were total garbage let's be honest here. Last year he offered him a sh*t incentive contract which was a joke and this year he offers him 1/2 of what he offered Kiwi. Good for Kiwi and well deserved IMO. BUT COME ON NOW you offer Osi 1/2 of what you offer Kiwi are freaking kidding me. Well no he is not kidding me he is kidding Osi.

Bottom line Osi is under contract for one more year and he will play it out if he wants to get paid anything decent at the end of it from anybody else. Because if he screws around the contract will shrink real fast for him.

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 09:05 AM
Well this was kind of expected to be honest. As much as I'm pissed with Osi (how can one not be it's been going on way too long and he is testing/tested the patience of many). But I must say it takes two to tango. And for those who think Reese is totally clean in this are probably wrong. On one hand we have Osi... Got paid 41mil already, lives in fantasy land wanting 10-15 mil a year when the dude is the 3rd best DE on our team. I understand he was pissed already last year when he basically tried to con his way to a contract being injured. I mean we all know he wasn't gonna get that contract but the fact remains the dude tried to con the team. I mean WTF. On the other hand we have Reese... I'm serious when I say this (Osi is not perfect) but if I was Osi I would be mad as hell at Reese after those comments too. Reese just basically disrespected Osi big time. He offered him two contracts which were total garbage let's be honest here. Last year he offered him a sh*t incentive contract which was a joke and this year he offers him 1/2 of what he offered Kiwi. Good for Kiwi and well deserved IMO. BUT COME ON NOW you offer Osi 1/2 of what you offer Kiwi are freaking kidding me. Well no he is not kidding me he is kidding Osi. Bottom line Osi is under contract for one more year and he will play it out if he wants to get paid anything decent at the end of it from anybody else. Because if he screws around the contract will shrink real fast for him.</P>


Given Kiwi's age and total game (including flexibility to play more than one position on the field), signing Kiwi long term is MUCH more important to the future of our team then signing Osi.</P>


Not saying that Kiwi is a better player (He is in my opnion but that point is moot) but he's much younger and potentially more valuable to us.</P>

buddy33
04-30-2012, 09:07 AM
Kiwi is only a year younger but I get he point.

cornerback30
04-30-2012, 09:10 AM
Osi won't get anything much better from another team(Jacobs,Manningham)

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 09:11 AM
Kiwi is only a year younger but I get he point.</P>


Didn't realize they were that close. But it does seem to me that Osi is in the last few years of his career and Kiwi is in his prime.</P>

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 09:13 AM
Osi won't get anything much better from another team(Jacobs,Manningham)
</P>


This is the real point. That is probably why they can't trade him. He would make the same rediculous demands on any new team as well.</P>


No one wants that headache. It seems that we are stuck with it. Its actually Osi's attitude which prevents his getting traded. (which is obviously what he wants)</P>

FBomb
04-30-2012, 09:16 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with.

Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right!

OX1
04-30-2012, 09:32 AM
BUT COME ON NOW you offer Osi 1/2 of what you offer Kiwi are freaking kidding me. Well no he is not kidding me he is kidding Osi. Bottom line Osi is under contract for one more year and he will play it out if he wants to get paid anything decent at the end of it from anybody else. Because if he screws around the contract will shrink real fast for him.</P>


</P>


Osi got 41 million for 6 years (and that was in 5 years ago money), Kiwi just got 21 milion for 3 years. How is that half, looks almost the same to me. Average compensation per year seems close to me, just Osi got (and maybe spent) all his money up front. </P>

OsiStrahan#1combo
04-30-2012, 09:34 AM
Osi has no leverage whatsoever. He can holdout and lose money on a daily basis, he can come in and ride the bike, he can decide to not play next season. None of them will help him or his cause. Maybe if he would have kept his mouth shut from the beginning, he could play an entire 16 games, and he was open to contributing and doing whatever was asked of him without complaining he'd had received an offer like Kiwi. His best bet is to play out of his mind his final year and look for a good deal as a FA.</P>


I agree.* What can he possibly gain from all this talk?* They already gave him the OK to seek a trade las year and no one would agree to the*terms set.* Just shut up already </P>

Cmon... that was an obvious "your not going anywhere" type trade offer last year. No one was gonna budge for a 1st round pick for him

Shockeyitus
04-30-2012, 09:38 AM
Both parties need to shut there mouths..... Giants FO need to take the high ground and keep it professional. We are a classy organization.... Osi is not helping himself at all. He has no leverage at all.

Ugghh....

OsiStrahan#1combo
04-30-2012, 09:50 AM
Great player But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...
Osi did warn them to make the trade. So now players dictate to management on how to make moves? </P>


yeah I don't think giving in to him is the answer*you can't let players run your business...they are putting what ever happens all on him which is the right thing to do ....He*needs to*honor his contract if he doesn't like what they are offering....</P>

Its hard these days to "honor" your contract. Isn't it ALL about making money? Your telling me if you saw players left and right, including one on your team just recently, making more money then you and you KNOW you are just as good or better, your going to keep playing with a smile on your face? Especially when your 30 years old? I can see if I was 24-25 years old, then I would say 'I still have time, it will come eventually'.

berya
04-30-2012, 10:06 AM
BUT COME ON NOW you offer Osi 1/2 of what you offer Kiwi are freaking kidding me. Well no he is not kidding me he is kidding Osi. Bottom line Osi is under contract for one more year and he will play it out if he wants to get paid anything decent at the end of it from anybody else. Because if he screws around the contract will shrink real fast for him.</P>


*</P>


*Osi got 41 million for 6 years (and that was in 5 years ago money)*, Kiwi just got 21 milion for 3 years. How is that half, looks almost the same to me. Average compensation per year seems close to me, just Osi got (and maybe spent) all his money up front. </P>

I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly (the 41mil Osi's contract is the past now)...

We are talking about current contracts. Kiwi just got 21 mil for 3 years with something like 8-8.5 mil bonus up front. Reese supposedly offered to extend Osi's contract just recently at 1/2 of what Kiwi got. So no wonder Osi is pissed. I can't blame Osi for being pissed I would be pissed too. Is Kiwi twice the player Osi is?

But at this point it doesn't really matter. Osi has 1 year left on his contract and if he wants to get another contract from another team he will have to play. Make him play out the last year and goodbye. Enough is enough already.

krygny
04-30-2012, 10:09 AM
...
Whether Umenyiora now wants or will
demand a trade is not clear, because he has decided to stop talking about this
dispute in public. In his email to The News, he said “I will be going completely
silent after I send you this because it’s obvious talking does nothing!” As for
his specific plans, Umenyiora would only say “things will be very interesting,
that’s for sure.
You don't have to say you're gonna STFU.

Just STFU.

chizz
04-30-2012, 10:11 AM
i really wanted osi back , but come on osi your making it hard to defend you now. Even though i do think he deserves more money than kiwi

Coach Carter
04-30-2012, 10:19 AM
I also find it funny that Osi can go in front of the cameras and on the radio and complain as much as he wants, but JR answers a question brought up to him in a presser involving Osi and he flips!

Osi wants out and he sees this as the shortest path.


Osi must think this is the NBA. You can't force teams to trade you in the NFL.

But you can go from a positive force to a distraction and a liability in a nano-second.


To who, you? Listen, cut the crap, you act like management is fair and balanced. Osi is a stud and the Giants season turned when he returned to the lineup.

Osi deserves more money. All you fools can keep Kiwi and his ability to play the run better, please trade Osi to the Jets ASAP so you overly sensitive women can stop being offended by capitalism at work. Then you watch Kiwi sort of stop the run, but not get to the qb when Tuck gets winded or injured(again).

Coach Carter
04-30-2012, 10:24 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with.

Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right!

You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation.

I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs.

Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.

GMENAGAIN
04-30-2012, 10:32 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. <FONT size=4>Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, </FONT>he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


But Osi's not lying, huh? He tried to get the Giants to give him a new deal last year without telling them that his knee was injured and that he needed surgery. </P>


He's made his own bed . . . . </P>

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 10:34 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>

Coach Carter
04-30-2012, 10:34 AM
it has come to my conclusion that either reading comprehension lacks in new york or this country for that matter or people love to hate everything about this guy period. no gray area just black and white hatred.

in the words of Mr.Umenyiora: “I will be going completely
silent after I send you this because it’s obvious, talking does nothing!”



************************************************** ********************************************* Stay angry my friends.

Exactly, I'm going to call it as I see it, some white fans just want the (so-called dumb) black athlete to shut up and play because he is "lucky" (not supremely gifted and hard-working) to be in the NFL. The rules of capitalism don't apply to him, only to fan.

The Giants pass rush won us the last two super bowls, but Eli deserved that 100 million dollar contract. Why, because he is the QB.

So what the Pats could not score against our defense even when Eli was going three-and-out almost every series.

These folks try to mask their true feeling behind their comments about comment and loyalty, even though management can cut a player ANYTIME and contracts are not guaranteed.

Coach Carter
04-30-2012, 10:36 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!!** </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


*</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>

You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL.

But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.

Drez
04-30-2012, 10:38 AM
it has come to my conclusion that either reading comprehension lacks in new york or this country for that matter or people love to hate everything about this guy period. no gray area just black and white hatred.

in the words of Mr.Umenyiora: “I will be going completely
silent after I send you this because it’s obvious, talking does nothing!”



Stay angry my friends.

Exactly, I'm going to call it as I see it, some white fans just want the (so-called dumb) black athlete to shut up and play because he is "lucky" (not supremely gifted and hard-working) to be in the NFL. The rules of capitalism don't apply to him, only to fan.

The Giants pass rush won us the last two super bowls, but Eli deserved that 100 million dollar contract. Why, because he is the QB.

So what the Pats could not score against our defense even when Eli was going three-and-out almost every series.

These folks try to mask their true feeling behind their comments about comment and loyalty, even though management can cut a player ANYTIME and contracts are not guaranteed.
Why do you have to bring race into this. This has nothing to do with race.

Osi is being a whiny diva. Doesn't matter if he's black, white, purple, or green. End of story.

ny06
04-30-2012, 10:38 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


I think your feelings for Osi are clouding what he has been doing for the past few years. I am a huge Osi fan, he has done a lot for this franchise. But lets call him for what he is... GREEDY...</P>


Do you really think Osi is worth the money he wants? He wants $10 million per year and $15 million-$17 million in guaranteed money, that's a lot of money for a guy who isn't an everydown player. And you think were in cap hell now, let's give Osi that kind of contract and you can pretty much say goodbye to any potential freeagents the next 2-3 years. </P>


</P>

Drez
04-30-2012, 10:40 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</p>


I think your feelings for Osi are clouding what he has been doing for the past few years. I am a huge Osi fan, he has done a lot for this franchise. But lets call him for what he is... GREEDY...</p>


Do you really think Osi is worth the money he wants? He wants $10 million per year and $15 million-$17 million in guaranteed money, that's a lot of money for a guy who isn't an everydown player. And you think were in cap hell now, let's give Osi that kind of contract and you can pretty much say goodbye to any potential freeagents the next 2-3 years. </p>


</p>
Uh-oh. He's probably going to call you a racist now because you want to deny a black athlete money he's asking for.

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 10:46 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


</P>

berya
04-30-2012, 10:48 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. <FONT size=4>Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, </FONT>he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


But Osi's not lying, huh?* He tried to get the Giants to give him a new deal last year without telling them that his knee was injured and that he needed surgery.* </P>


He's made his own bed* . . . . </P>

Reese is full of sh*t there is no doubt but OSI has brought it upon himself. The man has been tripping for a long time now. The better question maybe we all should have been asking what is the mighty/untouchable Tuck was/is worth but it's kind late for that now. Since Osi is garbage who we can't even get a 2nd and 5th for BUT Tuck is the almighty one maybe we could have gotten a 1st and 3rd for him.

OsiStrahan#1combo
04-30-2012, 10:51 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!!** </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


*</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract.* Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it.* He's our third best DE right now.* The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache.* He's a potential distraction.* He's never happy.* And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


*</P>

While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 10:53 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. <FONT size=4>Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, </FONT>he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


But Osi's not lying, huh? He tried to get the Giants to give him a new deal last year without telling them that his knee was injured and that he needed surgery. </P>


He's made his own bed . . . . </P>


Reese is full of sh*t there is no doubt but OSI has brought it upon himself. The man has been tripping for a long time now. The better question maybe we all should have been asking what is the mighty/untouchable Tuck was/is worth but it's kind late for that now. Since Osi is garbage who we can't even get a 2nd and 5th for BUT Tuck is the almighty one maybe we could have gotten a 1st and 3rd for him.</P>


Osi's interests are "himself". Personally I have no problem at all with that. Jerry Reese's interests are the New York Giants which are shared by me and every poster on this board.</P>


90% of all pro athletes are immature dopes who have been glorified their entire lives and have no idea what humility is. Thats just reality.</P>


JR is doing what he is charged to do, to win games and championship. The decisions to "favor" one player over another are football decisions. Thats his charge. You may not agree with his decisions but we aren't SB champs by accident.</P>

ny06
04-30-2012, 10:53 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


</P>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?</P>


Last time I checked Osi got his big contract years ago, it was Kiwi's turn. And he deserved it...</P>

OsiStrahan#1combo
04-30-2012, 10:56 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!!** </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


*</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract.* Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it.* He's our third best DE right now.* The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache.* He's a potential distraction.* He's never happy.* And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


*</P>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?</P>


Last time I checked Osi got his big contract years ago, it was Kiwi's turn. And he deserved it...</P>

but its not like Kiwi 25 or 26.. hes ONE year younger then him. since when did this business turn into player feelings as you just pointed out?

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 10:56 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


</P>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?</P>


Osi wants too much and JR must know it will never work with him. I'm sure he tried to trade him but no one wants a guy who is demanding that much money. The Kiwi signing has nothing to do with Osi except for the possible consideration that Osi won't be here after next season. Its a football decision that JR beleive's will help our team. Personally I'm glad we extended him.</P>


We can't pay a guy with Osi's role on this team that much and build our team properly under the cap.</P>


$10MM is beyond rediculous. A guy with those kinds of demands simply can't be reasoned with. At least that seams to be JR's conclusion.</P>

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 10:58 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


</P>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?</P>


Last time I checked Osi got his big contract years ago, it was Kiwi's turn. And he deserved it...</P>


but its not like Kiwi 25 or 26.. hes ONE year younger then him. since when did this business turn into player feelings as you just pointed out?</P>


Its a football decision. If you don't think its a good idea that's fine. I happen to like it a lot. As far as Osi goes, he's not a starter here any more. He's a very good football player but he's lost his job.</P>

Drez
04-30-2012, 10:58 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</p>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</p>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </p>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</p>


</p>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</p>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</p>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </p>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</p>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</p>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</p>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</p>


</p>

While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?
Well, for starters he's asking for a helluva lot less money. Kiwi is also a LB/DE, not just a DE, so there's the fact that they play different positions. And then there's the fact that Kiwi's played the good soldier role. He's done whatever the team has asked of him with little griping. The most you ever got out of Kiwi was, "I'd rather be a DE than LB, but I'll do whatever the team wants me to do."

Also, this extension was more an extension of his rookie deal. The deal he signed last year was mostly a "show me" deal, as he was coming off of the injury.

OsiStrahan#1combo
04-30-2012, 10:58 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!!** </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


*</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract.* Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it.* He's our third best DE right now.* The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache.* He's a potential distraction.* He's never happy.* And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


*</P>

While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?

i mean is he HONESTLY more valuable then Osi due to the LB knowledge?

ny06
04-30-2012, 11:01 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


</P>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?</P>


Last time I checked Osi got his big contract years ago, it was Kiwi's turn. And he deserved it...</P>


but its not like Kiwi 25 or 26.. hes ONE year younger then him. since when did this business turn into player feelings as you just pointed out?</P>


I look at it as a smart business move. Osi wants money we just don't have, especially for a guy who is not even a starter anymore on this team. So JR did the wise move, he paid Kiwi just in case we are not able to resign Osi. Cause lets face facts, the Giants are not paying what osi wants, and I will bet you not many other teams will either. </P>

Drez
04-30-2012, 11:03 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</p>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</p>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </p>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</p>


</p>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</p>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</p>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </p>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</p>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</p>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</p>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</p>


</p>

While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?

i mean is he HONESTLY more valuable then Osi due to the LB knowledge?
Would you see resigning Boley as an indictment of Osi?

And, yes, in a way it does. It means he's more versatile and can contribute in more facets to the game.

Also, Kiwi's contract is for HALF of what Osi wants. So, we can say if Osi was asking for more money, but a reasonable amount more than it wouldn't be an issue.

Can you HONESTLY say that Osi is worth $10m/yr, particularly to a team that has Tuck and JPP on it?

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 11:03 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


</P>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi? i mean is he HONESTLY more valuable then Osi due to the LB knowledge?</P>


Kiwi is a starter and Osi isn't.</P>


Do you deny that?</P>

OsiStrahan#1combo
04-30-2012, 11:04 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!!** </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


*</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract.* Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it.* He's our third best DE right now.* The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache.* He's a potential distraction.* He's never happy.* And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


*</P>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?</P>


Osi wants too much and JR must know it will never work with him.* I'm sure he tried to trade him but no one wants a guy who is demanding that much money.* The Kiwi signing has nothing to do with Osi except for the possible consideration that Osi won't be here after next season.* Its a football decision that JR beleive's will help our team.* Personally I'm glad we extended him.</P>


We can't pay a guy with Osi's role on this team that much and build our team properly under the cap.</P>


$10MM is beyond rediculous.* A guy with those kinds of demands simply can't be reasoned with.* At least that seams to be JR's conclusion.</P>

I see and understand. Its just the fact of losing our strength which is the pass rush and hes VERY good at it. I guess what my point is that Osi is better then kiwi at it. imo at least.

He is our 3rd best DE but he is still very good, which you know, and its hard situation where you actually have TWO better DE's ahead of him.

OsiStrahan#1combo
04-30-2012, 11:05 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!!** </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


*</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract.* Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it.* He's our third best DE right now.* The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache.* He's a potential distraction.* He's never happy.* And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


*</P>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?</P>


Last time I checked Osi got his big contract years ago, it was Kiwi's turn. And he deserved it...</P>


but its not like Kiwi 25 or 26.. hes ONE year younger then him. since when did this business turn into player feelings as you just pointed out?</P>


I look at it as a smart business move. Osi wants money we just don't have, especially for a guy who is not even a starter anymore on this team. So JR did the wise move, he paid Kiwi just in case we are not able to resign Osi. Cause lets face facts, the Giants are not paying what osi wants, and I will bet you not many other teams will either. </P>

Well if you said that then I wouldn't have questioned you. You saying, "well its his turn" is a silly response.

Drez
04-30-2012, 11:07 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</p>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</p>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </p>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</p>


</p>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</p>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</p>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </p>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</p>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</p>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</p>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</p>


</p>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?</p>


Osi wants too much and JR must know it will never work with him. I'm sure he tried to trade him but no one wants a guy who is demanding that much money. The Kiwi signing has nothing to do with Osi except for the possible consideration that Osi won't be here after next season. Its a football decision that JR beleive's will help our team. Personally I'm glad we extended him.</p>


We can't pay a guy with Osi's role on this team that much and build our team properly under the cap.</p>


$10MM is beyond rediculous. A guy with those kinds of demands simply can't be reasoned with. At least that seams to be JR's conclusion.</p>

I see and understand. Its just the fact of losing our strength which is the pass rush and hes VERY good at it. I guess what my point is that Osi is better then kiwi at it. imo at least.

He is our 3rd best DE but he is still very good, which you know, and its hard situation where you actually have TWO better DE's ahead of him.
Kiwi isn't a full time DE anymore, though. He's a LB that plays DE situationally. It seems that's where you're getting tripped up here.

Yes, Osi is better at rushing the passer, but he's not nearly as good of a run stopper, can't play LB on two downs, and Kiwi isn't a slouch as a pass rusher either.

dezzzR
04-30-2012, 11:08 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</p>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</p>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </p>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</p>


</p>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</p>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</p>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </p>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</p>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</p>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</p>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</p>


</p>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?</p>


Last time I checked Osi got his big contract years ago, it was Kiwi's turn. And he deserved it...</p>And Osi has been offered a few new contracts. Hes turned them all down.

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 11:09 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


</P>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?</P>


Osi wants too much and JR must know it will never work with him. I'm sure he tried to trade him but no one wants a guy who is demanding that much money. The Kiwi signing has nothing to do with Osi except for the possible consideration that Osi won't be here after next season. Its a football decision that JR beleive's will help our team. Personally I'm glad we extended him.</P>


We can't pay a guy with Osi's role on this team that much and build our team properly under the cap.</P>


$10MM is beyond rediculous. A guy with those kinds of demands simply can't be reasoned with. At least that seams to be JR's conclusion.</P>


I see and understand. Its just the fact of losing our strength which is the pass rush and hes VERY good at it. I guess what my point is that Osi is better then kiwi at it. imo at least. He is our 3rd best DE but he is still very good, which you know, and its hard situation where you actually have TWO better DE's ahead of him.</P>


I don't think you should look at is as an "Osi vs. Kiwi" thing. Both situations are strictly football.</P>


Osi wants an amount of money that is far more than we will ever pay him. Plus he's making a huge stink about it. Its reasonable to suggest that its good business to sign a guy who would at least in part offset the loss of Osi down the road. It seems very unlikely that Osi will be here after 2012. That leaves JPP and Tuck. Signing Kiwi is a very good football decision.</P>

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 11:13 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


</P>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?</P>


Osi wants too much and JR must know it will never work with him. I'm sure he tried to trade him but no one wants a guy who is demanding that much money. The Kiwi signing has nothing to do with Osi except for the possible consideration that Osi won't be here after next season. Its a football decision that JR beleive's will help our team. Personally I'm glad we extended him.</P>


We can't pay a guy with Osi's role on this team that much and build our team properly under the cap.</P>


$10MM is beyond rediculous. A guy with those kinds of demands simply can't be reasoned with. At least that seams to be JR's conclusion.</P>


I see and understand. Its just the fact of losing our strength which is the pass rush and hes VERY good at it. I guess what my point is that Osi is better then kiwi at it. imo at least. He is our 3rd best DE but he is still very good, which you know, and its hard situation where you actually have TWO better DE's ahead of him.</P>


I don't think the FO sees it that way. Don't forget that when Osi is on the field, we move JPP out of position to left DE. Where he's less effective. JPP at right DE in passing downs is as effective in the pass rush as Osi. Maybe more effective because his talent is absolutely off the charts. He may end up as one of the greatest DE's in NFL history. thats the kind of talent he has.</P>


And he has a motor that Osi has never had.</P>


So I don't think that the FO think that Osi's loss would take away at all from our ability to get to the QB.</P>

OsiStrahan#1combo
04-30-2012, 11:15 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</p>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</p>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!!** </p>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</p>


*</p>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</p>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</p>


He signed the contract.* Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </p>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it.* He's our third best DE right now.* The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</p>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</p>


He's a headache.* He's a potential distraction.* He's never happy.* And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</p>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</p>


*</p>

While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?

i mean is he HONESTLY more valuable then Osi due to the LB knowledge?
Would you see resigning Boley as an indictment of Osi?

And, yes, in a way it does. It means he's more versatile and can contribute in more facets to the game.

Also, Kiwi's contract is for HALF of what Osi wants. So, we can say if Osi was asking for more money, but a reasonable amount more than it wouldn't be an issue.

Can you HONESTLY say that Osi is worth $10m/yr, particularly to a team that has Tuck and JPP on it?


I think any player worth 10 million a year is ridiculous. But since we live in this world where that IS the case, Osi is not worth 10 million. But I believe hes worth more then 5 mill. somewhere in between then?

As i pointed out earlier that our strength on this team is pass rush. It should be a matter of concern that Osi stays and that just because hes our 3rd best DE, doesn't mean he gets crap money due to it. say if Tuck gets hurt again. Osi can fill right in and compete at a high level. And even if Tuck isnt hurt he still sees PLENTY of action. Something about kiwi i just don't see him doing that.

im not saying hes worth 10 million. But i feel like if we give him somewhere in a decent range, hell stay.

but then there's Cruz, Tuck, JPP and nicks to worry about....

berya
04-30-2012, 11:17 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. <FONT size=4>Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, </FONT>he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


But Osi's not lying, huh?* He tried to get the Giants to give him a new deal last year without telling them that his knee was injured and that he needed surgery.* </P>


He's made his own bed* . . . . </P>


Reese is full of sh*t there is no doubt but OSI has brought it upon himself. The man has been tripping for a long time now. The better question maybe we all should have been asking what is the mighty/untouchable Tuck was/is worth but it's kind late for that now. Since Osi is garbage who we can't even get a 2nd and 5th for BUT Tuck is the almighty one maybe we could have gotten a 1st and 3rd for him.</P>


Osi's interests are "himself".* Personally I have no problem at all with that.* Jerry Reese's interests are the New York Giants which are shared by me and every poster on this board.</P>


90% of all pro athletes are immature dopes who have been glorified their entire lives and have no idea what humility is.* Thats just reality.</P>


JR is doing what he is charged to do, to win games and championship.** The decisions to "favor" one player over another are football decisions.* Thats his charge.* You may not agree with his decisions but we aren't SB champs by accident.</P>

No I agree with Reese's decision to extend Kiwi 100% here but I understand why Osi is PISSED. Reese telling the media he offered Osi a contract 2 years running is just garbage because the contract was garbage. But on the other hand what is Reese supposed to tell the media when the question is asked. UMM Yeah I lowballed him because he is such a pos.

OsiStrahan#1combo
04-30-2012, 11:19 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!!** </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


*</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract.* Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it.* He's our third best DE right now.* The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache.* He's a potential distraction.* He's never happy.* And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


*</P>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?</P>


Osi wants too much and JR must know it will never work with him.* I'm sure he tried to trade him but no one wants a guy who is demanding that much money.* The Kiwi signing has nothing to do with Osi except for the possible consideration that Osi won't be here after next season.* Its a football decision that JR beleive's will help our team.* Personally I'm glad we extended him.</P>


We can't pay a guy with Osi's role on this team that much and build our team properly under the cap.</P>


$10MM is beyond rediculous.* A guy with those kinds of demands simply can't be reasoned with.* At least that seams to be JR's conclusion.</P>


I see and understand. Its just the fact of losing our strength which is the pass rush and hes VERY good at it. I guess what my point is that Osi is better then kiwi at it. imo at least. He is our 3rd best DE but he is still very good, which you know, and its hard situation where you actually have TWO better DE's ahead of him.</P>


I don't think the FO sees it that way.* Don't forget that when Osi is on the field, we move JPP out of position to left DE.* Where he's less effective.* JPP at right DE in passing downs is as effective in the pass rush as Osi.* Maybe more effective because his talent is absolutely off the charts.* He may end up as one of the greatest DE's in NFL history.* thats the kind of talent he has.</P>


And he has a motor that Osi has never had.</P>


So I don't think that the FO think that Osi's loss would take away at all from our ability to get to the QB.</P>

mmmm its the injury thing that is killing me tho. One goes down, we dont have anyone NEARLY as good as those guys to fill in. Im not saying Osi needs to start. Just saying hes still very effective on that team and is a game changer. Hes worth game changing money.

Im really not disagreeing with you honestly. I just feel like we defiantly have to upgrade our offer. Idk.

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 11:20 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


</P>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi? i mean is he HONESTLY more valuable then Osi due to the LB knowledge?
Would you see resigning Boley as an indictment of Osi?

And, yes, in a way it does. It means he's more versatile and can contribute in more facets to the game.

Also, Kiwi's contract is for HALF of what Osi wants. So, we can say if Osi was asking for more money, but a reasonable amount more than it wouldn't be an issue.

Can you HONESTLY say that Osi is worth $10m/yr, particularly to a team that has Tuck and JPP on it?
I think any player worth 10 million a year is ridiculous. But since we live in this world where that IS the case, Osi is not worth 10 million. But I believe hes worth more then 5 mill. somewhere in between then? As i pointed out earlier that our strength on this team is pass rush. shouldn't be a matter of concern that Osi stays and that just because hes our 3rd best DE, doesn't mean he gets crap money due to it. say if Tuck gets hurt again. Osi can fill right in and compete at a high level. And even if Tuck isnt hurt he still sees PLENTY of action. Something about kiwi i just don't see him doing that. im not saying hes worth 10 million. But i feel like if we give him somewhere in a decent range, hell stay. but then there's Cruz, Tuck, JPP and nicks to worry about....</P>


He's set to make slightly less than $5MM this season. I think thats reasonable for a guy who doesn't play every down. I would have no problem with a 2 year extension of 8 to 10 MM total with half of that guaranteed. Osi clearly would and there is the impass. It just aint gunna work out here with Osi unless he sees the light.</P>


I doubt he will. Honestly, he has a better chance of being released (which he would love) than extended for more than what I suggested.</P>


And as you say, if you give in to Osi's demands you harm your chances to sign other key plays like the one's you have mentioned. And that would be very harmful to the future of our team.</P>

Drez
04-30-2012, 11:21 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</p>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</p>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </p>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</p>


</p>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</p>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</p>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </p>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</p>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</p>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</p>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</p>


</p>

While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?

i mean is he HONESTLY more valuable then Osi due to the LB knowledge?
Would you see resigning Boley as an indictment of Osi?

And, yes, in a way it does. It means he's more versatile and can contribute in more facets to the game.

Also, Kiwi's contract is for HALF of what Osi wants. So, we can say if Osi was asking for more money, but a reasonable amount more than it wouldn't be an issue.

Can you HONESTLY say that Osi is worth $10m/yr, particularly to a team that has Tuck and JPP on it?


I think any player worth 10 million a year is ridiculous. But since we live in this world where that IS the case, Osi is not worth 10 million. But I believe hes worth more then 5 mill. somewhere in between then?

As i pointed out earlier that our strength on this team is pass rush. shouldn't be a matter of concern that Osi stays and that just because hes our 3rd best DE, doesn't mean he gets crap money due to it. say if Tuck gets hurt again. Osi can fill right in and compete at a high level. And even if Tuck isnt hurt he still sees PLENTY of action. Something about kiwi i just don't see him doing that.

im not saying hes worth 10 million. But i feel like if we give him somewhere in a decent range, hell stay.

but then there's Cruz, Tuck, JPP and nicks to worry about....
If Osi would be willing to sign a contract that paid him $4m-$6m, he'd be be a Giant until he retires. But, that's not the case. He wants more towards the $10m number. Not going to happen here.

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 11:21 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. <FONT size=4>Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, </FONT>he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


But Osi's not lying, huh? He tried to get the Giants to give him a new deal last year without telling them that his knee was injured and that he needed surgery. </P>


He's made his own bed . . . . </P>


Reese is full of sh*t there is no doubt but OSI has brought it upon himself. The man has been tripping for a long time now. The better question maybe we all should have been asking what is the mighty/untouchable Tuck was/is worth but it's kind late for that now. Since Osi is garbage who we can't even get a 2nd and 5th for BUT Tuck is the almighty one maybe we could have gotten a 1st and 3rd for him.</P>


Osi's interests are "himself". Personally I have no problem at all with that. Jerry Reese's interests are the New York Giants which are shared by me and every poster on this board.</P>


90% of all pro athletes are immature dopes who have been glorified their entire lives and have no idea what humility is. Thats just reality.</P>


JR is doing what he is charged to do, to win games and championship. The decisions to "favor" one player over another are football decisions. Thats his charge. You may not agree with his decisions but we aren't SB champs by accident.</P>


No I agree with Reese's decision to extend Kiwi 100% here but I understand why Osi is PISSED. Reese telling the media he offered Osi a contract 2 years running is just garbage because the contract was garbage. But on the other hand what is Reese supposed to tell the media when the question is asked. UMM Yeah I lowballed him because he is such a pos.</P>


What was the "garbage" offer to Osi and what is your source for that information?</P>

OsiStrahan#1combo
04-30-2012, 11:22 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!!** </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


*</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract.* Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it.* He's our third best DE right now.* The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache.* He's a potential distraction.* He's never happy.* And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


*</P>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi? i mean is he HONESTLY more valuable then Osi due to the LB knowledge?
Would you see resigning Boley as an indictment of Osi?

And, yes, in a way it does. It means he's more versatile and can contribute in more facets to the game.

Also, Kiwi's contract is for HALF of what Osi wants. So, we can say if Osi was asking for more money, but a reasonable amount more than it wouldn't be an issue.

Can you HONESTLY say that Osi is worth $10m/yr, particularly to a team that has Tuck and JPP on it?
I think any player worth 10 million a year is ridiculous. But since we live in this world where that IS the case, Osi is not worth 10 million. But I believe hes worth more then 5 mill. somewhere in between then? As i pointed out earlier that our strength on this team is pass rush. shouldn't be a matter of concern that Osi stays and that just because hes our 3rd best DE, doesn't mean he gets crap money due to it. say if Tuck gets hurt again. Osi can fill right in and compete at a high level. And even if Tuck isnt hurt he still sees PLENTY of action. Something about kiwi i just don't see him doing that. im not saying hes worth 10 million. But i feel like if we give him somewhere in a decent range, hell stay. but then there's Cruz, Tuck, JPP and nicks to worry about....</P>


He's set to make slightly less than $5MM this season.* I think thats reasonable for a guy who doesn't play every down.* I would have no problem with a 2 year extension of 8 to 10 MM total with half of that guaranteed.* Osi clearly would and there is the impass.* It just aint gunna work out here with Osi unless he sees the light.</P>


I doubt he will.* Honestly, he has a better chance of being released (which he would love) than extended for more than what I suggested.</P>


And as you say, if you give in to Osi's demands you harm your chances to sign other key plays like the one's you have mentioned.** And that would be very harmful to the future of our team.</P>

Tru... it is what it is I guess

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 11:26 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


</P>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi? i mean is he HONESTLY more valuable then Osi due to the LB knowledge?
Would you see resigning Boley as an indictment of Osi?

And, yes, in a way it does. It means he's more versatile and can contribute in more facets to the game.

Also, Kiwi's contract is for HALF of what Osi wants. So, we can say if Osi was asking for more money, but a reasonable amount more than it wouldn't be an issue.

Can you HONESTLY say that Osi is worth $10m/yr, particularly to a team that has Tuck and JPP on it?
I think any player worth 10 million a year is ridiculous. But since we live in this world where that IS the case, Osi is not worth 10 million. But I believe hes worth more then 5 mill. somewhere in between then? As i pointed out earlier that our strength on this team is pass rush. shouldn't be a matter of concern that Osi stays and that just because hes our 3rd best DE, doesn't mean he gets crap money due to it. say if Tuck gets hurt again. Osi can fill right in and compete at a high level. And even if Tuck isnt hurt he still sees PLENTY of action. Something about kiwi i just don't see him doing that. im not saying hes worth 10 million. But i feel like if we give him somewhere in a decent range, hell stay. but then there's Cruz, Tuck, JPP and nicks to worry about....</P>


He's set to make slightly less than $5MM this season. I think thats reasonable for a guy who doesn't play every down. I would have no problem with a 2 year extension of 8 to 10 MM total with half of that guaranteed. Osi clearly would and there is the impass. It just aint gunna work out here with Osi unless he sees the light.</P>


I doubt he will. Honestly, he has a better chance of being released (which he would love) than extended for more than what I suggested.</P>


And as you say, if you give in to Osi's demands you harm your chances to sign other key plays like the one's you have mentioned. And that would be very harmful to the future of our team.</P>


Tru... it is what it is I guess</P>


Honestly it comes down to a simply proposition.</P>


Osi has a much higher regard for his potential impact on our team than the FO does.</P>


Even more than that, I think Osi sees himself at potentially more impactful on another team than he is here. (since we have JPP and Tuck). And in this I think the FO agrees with him.</P>


But his comments and contract demands have harmed his ability to make that happen. I think the Giants would love to deal him to get a pick and free up cap space.</P>


Its the old immovable object and the irresistable force scenario. </P>

radar-ray
04-30-2012, 11:31 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


</P> While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi? i mean is he HONESTLY more valuable then Osi due to the LB knowledge?
Would you see resigning Boley as an indictment of Osi?

And, yes, in a way it does. It means he's more versatile and can contribute in more facets to the game.

Also, Kiwi's contract is for HALF of what Osi wants. So, we can say if Osi was asking for more money, but a reasonable amount more than it wouldn't be an issue.

Can you HONESTLY say that Osi is worth $10m/yr, particularly to a team that has Tuck and JPP on it?
I think any player worth 10 million a year is ridiculous. But since we live in this world where that IS the case, Osi is not worth 10 million. But I believe hes worth more then 5 mill. somewhere in between then? As i pointed out earlier that our strength on this team is pass rush. shouldn't be a matter of concern that Osi stays and that just because hes our 3rd best DE, doesn't mean he gets crap money due to it. say if Tuck gets hurt again. Osi can fill right in and compete at a high level. And even if Tuck isnt hurt he still sees PLENTY of action. Something about kiwi i just don't see him doing that. im not saying hes worth 10 million. But i feel like if we give him somewhere in a decent range, hell stay. but then there's Cruz, Tuck, JPP and nicks to worry about....
If Osi would be willing to sign a contract that paid him $4m-$6m, he'd be be a Giant until he retires. But, that's not the case. He wants more towards the $10m number. Not going to happen here.
How does anyone know for a fact what Osi would settle for,they don't.You always start high and the other party low in most negotiations. As for Osi being pissed at JR for lying about last years extension offer,I don't blame him. How you would feel if someone bs'd about you. One thing about Osi is he wears his heart on his sleave. Regarding Kiwi, I think it was a good business decision.

OsiStrahan#1combo
04-30-2012, 11:31 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!!** </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


*</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract.* Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it.* He's our third best DE right now.* The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache.* He's a potential distraction.* He's never happy.* And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


*</P>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi? i mean is he HONESTLY more valuable then Osi due to the LB knowledge?
Would you see resigning Boley as an indictment of Osi?

And, yes, in a way it does. It means he's more versatile and can contribute in more facets to the game.

Also, Kiwi's contract is for HALF of what Osi wants. So, we can say if Osi was asking for more money, but a reasonable amount more than it wouldn't be an issue.

Can you HONESTLY say that Osi is worth $10m/yr, particularly to a team that has Tuck and JPP on it?
I think any player worth 10 million a year is ridiculous. But since we live in this world where that IS the case, Osi is not worth 10 million. But I believe hes worth more then 5 mill. somewhere in between then? As i pointed out earlier that our strength on this team is pass rush. shouldn't be a matter of concern that Osi stays and that just because hes our 3rd best DE, doesn't mean he gets crap money due to it. say if Tuck gets hurt again. Osi can fill right in and compete at a high level. And even if Tuck isnt hurt he still sees PLENTY of action. Something about kiwi i just don't see him doing that. im not saying hes worth 10 million. But i feel like if we give him somewhere in a decent range, hell stay. but then there's Cruz, Tuck, JPP and nicks to worry about....</P>


He's set to make slightly less than $5MM this season.* I think thats reasonable for a guy who doesn't play every down.* I would have no problem with a 2 year extension of 8 to 10 MM total with half of that guaranteed.* Osi clearly would and there is the impass.* It just aint gunna work out here with Osi unless he sees the light.</P>


I doubt he will.* Honestly, he has a better chance of being released (which he would love) than extended for more than what I suggested.</P>


And as you say, if you give in to Osi's demands you harm your chances to sign other key plays like the one's you have mentioned.** And that would be very harmful to the future of our team.</P>


Tru... it is what it is I guess</P>


Honestly it comes down to a simply proposition.</P>


Osi has a much higher regard for his potential impact on our team than the FO does.</P>


Even more than that, I think Osi sees himself at potentially more impactful on another team than he is here. (since we have JPP and Tuck).* And in this I think the FO agrees with him.</P>


But his comments and contract demands have harmed his ability to make that happen.* I think the Giants would love to deal him to get a pick and free up cap space.</P>


Its the old immovable object and the irresistable force scenario.* </P>

Well if that DOES happen, i dont want to see a Samuel situation where we get some puny 5th or 6 7th round pick for him. Better be a 3rd or better pick. Even third would make me feel uncomfortable. Its not bad but I would prefer a second.

nycsportzfan
04-30-2012, 11:33 AM
Great player But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...
Could've filled his spot this draft though.. Now, that we didn't draft a DE,and lost Tollefson, we kinda need OSI more then ever... Should of at least drafted a DE , if Jerry Reese knew this was coming, or made the deal before the draft or during.. I guess its possible, he tried...

LT_was_good
04-30-2012, 11:33 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</p>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</p>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </p>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</p>


</p>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</p>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</p>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </p>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</p>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</p>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</p>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</p>


</p>

While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi?

i mean is he HONESTLY more valuable then Osi due to the LB knowledge?

I tend to think if Osi would agree to an extension with the same figures as Kiwi's, JR would have signed him in a heartbeat. Osi doesn't want Kiwi money, he wants Trent Cole money.

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 11:35 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


</P>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi? i mean is he HONESTLY more valuable then Osi due to the LB knowledge?
Would you see resigning Boley as an indictment of Osi?

And, yes, in a way it does. It means he's more versatile and can contribute in more facets to the game.

Also, Kiwi's contract is for HALF of what Osi wants. So, we can say if Osi was asking for more money, but a reasonable amount more than it wouldn't be an issue.

Can you HONESTLY say that Osi is worth $10m/yr, particularly to a team that has Tuck and JPP on it?
I think any player worth 10 million a year is ridiculous. But since we live in this world where that IS the case, Osi is not worth 10 million. But I believe hes worth more then 5 mill. somewhere in between then? As i pointed out earlier that our strength on this team is pass rush. shouldn't be a matter of concern that Osi stays and that just because hes our 3rd best DE, doesn't mean he gets crap money due to it. say if Tuck gets hurt again. Osi can fill right in and compete at a high level. And even if Tuck isnt hurt he still sees PLENTY of action. Something about kiwi i just don't see him doing that. im not saying hes worth 10 million. But i feel like if we give him somewhere in a decent range, hell stay. but then there's Cruz, Tuck, JPP and nicks to worry about....
If Osi would be willing to sign a contract that paid him $4m-$6m, he'd be be a Giant until he retires. But, that's not the case. He wants more towards the $10m number. Not going to happen here.
How does anyone know for a fact what Osi would settle for,they don't.You always start high and the other party low in most negotiations. As for Osi being pissed at JR for lying about last years extension offer,I don't blame him. How you would feel if someone bs'd about you. One thing about Osi is he wears his heart on his sleave. Regarding Kiwi, I think it was a good business decision.</P>


You are abslutely right. We don't know what Osi would settle for. It is also true that we don't know that any of that other stuff you just said is true either. How do you "know" that JR "bs'd" Osi?</P>


Let me guess.......Osi said so.</P>

berya
04-30-2012, 11:36 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. <FONT size=4>Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, </FONT>he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


But Osi's not lying, huh?* He tried to get the Giants to give him a new deal last year without telling them that his knee was injured and that he needed surgery.* </P>


He's made his own bed* . . . . </P>


Reese is full of sh*t there is no doubt but OSI has brought it upon himself. The man has been tripping for a long time now. The better question maybe we all should have been asking what is the mighty/untouchable Tuck was/is worth but it's kind late for that now. Since Osi is garbage who we can't even get a 2nd and 5th for BUT Tuck is the almighty one maybe we could have gotten a 1st and 3rd for him.</P>


Osi's interests are "himself".* Personally I have no problem at all with that.* Jerry Reese's interests are the New York Giants which are shared by me and every poster on this board.</P>


90% of all pro athletes are immature dopes who have been glorified their entire lives and have no idea what humility is.* Thats just reality.</P>


JR is doing what he is charged to do, to win games and championship.** The decisions to "favor" one player over another are football decisions.* Thats his charge.* You may not agree with his decisions but we aren't SB champs by accident.</P>


No I agree with Reese's decision to extend Kiwi 100% here but I understand why Osi is PISSED. Reese telling the media he offered Osi a contract 2 years running is just garbage because the contract was garbage. But on the other hand what is Reese supposed to tell the media when the question is asked. UMM Yeah I lowballed him because he is such a pos.</P>


What was the "garbage" offer to Osi and what is your source for that information?</P>

The garbage as I called it offer was 1/2 of what Kiwi got. Osi said himself he got offered 1/2 of what Kiwi got. If your boss offered you tomorrow half of what your co-worker got and you felt you were no worse at your job that that person how would you describe that offer?

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 11:38 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. <FONT size=4>Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, </FONT>he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


But Osi's not lying, huh? He tried to get the Giants to give him a new deal last year without telling them that his knee was injured and that he needed surgery. </P>


He's made his own bed . . . . </P>


Reese is full of sh*t there is no doubt but OSI has brought it upon himself. The man has been tripping for a long time now. The better question maybe we all should have been asking what is the mighty/untouchable Tuck was/is worth but it's kind late for that now. Since Osi is garbage who we can't even get a 2nd and 5th for BUT Tuck is the almighty one maybe we could have gotten a 1st and 3rd for him.</P>


Osi's interests are "himself". Personally I have no problem at all with that. Jerry Reese's interests are the New York Giants which are shared by me and every poster on this board.</P>


90% of all pro athletes are immature dopes who have been glorified their entire lives and have no idea what humility is. Thats just reality.</P>


JR is doing what he is charged to do, to win games and championship. The decisions to "favor" one player over another are football decisions. Thats his charge. You may not agree with his decisions but we aren't SB champs by accident.</P>


No I agree with Reese's decision to extend Kiwi 100% here but I understand why Osi is PISSED. Reese telling the media he offered Osi a contract 2 years running is just garbage because the contract was garbage. But on the other hand what is Reese supposed to tell the media when the question is asked. UMM Yeah I lowballed him because he is such a pos.</P>


What was the "garbage" offer to Osi and what is your source for that information?</P>


The garbage as I called it offer was 1/2 of what Kiwi got. Osi said himself he got offered 1/2 of what Kiwi got. If your boss offered you tomorrow half of what your co-worker got and you felt you were no worse at your job that that person how would you describe that offer?</P>


So your objective source is Osi Unemyiora.</P>


Just checking.</P>


Kiwi got $8.5MM. $4 to $5 MM guaranteed for Osi for a two year contract extention is exactly what i would have offered. Especially for a guy who isn't starting.</P>

berya
04-30-2012, 11:43 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. <FONT size=4>Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, </FONT>he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


But Osi's not lying, huh?* He tried to get the Giants to give him a new deal last year without telling them that his knee was injured and that he needed surgery.* </P>


He's made his own bed* . . . . </P>


Reese is full of sh*t there is no doubt but OSI has brought it upon himself. The man has been tripping for a long time now. The better question maybe we all should have been asking what is the mighty/untouchable Tuck was/is worth but it's kind late for that now. Since Osi is garbage who we can't even get a 2nd and 5th for BUT Tuck is the almighty one maybe we could have gotten a 1st and 3rd for him.</P>


Osi's interests are "himself".* Personally I have no problem at all with that.* Jerry Reese's interests are the New York Giants which are shared by me and every poster on this board.</P>


90% of all pro athletes are immature dopes who have been glorified their entire lives and have no idea what humility is.* Thats just reality.</P>


JR is doing what he is charged to do, to win games and championship.** The decisions to "favor" one player over another are football decisions.* Thats his charge.* You may not agree with his decisions but we aren't SB champs by accident.</P>


No I agree with Reese's decision to extend Kiwi 100% here but I understand why Osi is PISSED. Reese telling the media he offered Osi a contract 2 years running is just garbage because the contract was garbage. But on the other hand what is Reese supposed to tell the media when the question is asked. UMM Yeah I lowballed him because he is such a pos.</P>


What was the "garbage" offer to Osi and what is your source for that information?</P>


The garbage as I called it offer was 1/2 of what Kiwi got. Osi said himself he got offered 1/2 of what Kiwi got. If your boss offered you tomorrow half of what your co-worker got and you felt you were no worse at your job that that person how would you describe that offer?</P>


So your objective source is Osi Unemyiora.</P>


Just checking.</P>

So what does that mean?? Osi is not a source? It came straight from the horses mouth.

LT_was_good
04-30-2012, 11:43 AM
I completely understand the posters who worry "what if Tuck or JPP goes down." We have to remember, though, that during all this time the Giants have had 3-4 good to great pass-rushers, there's usually been at least one on a rookie deal. I can't remember if Strahan, Tuck, and Osi were all on the team together with big contracts, but part of keeping more than two elite pass rushers on the roster has been continuously drafting new ones to fill in. We can't just pay 3 or 4 veteran DE's big money.

I do know Tuck wasn't making big money in 2007, and JPP wasn't making big money last year. In a few years, if JPP and Tuck are still on the roster they will both be making big money, and if we want to have another elite pass rusher on the team, Reese and Co. will likely have to draft one.

NYSPORTS
04-30-2012, 11:45 AM
What's killing Osi is his 7 year deal. His agent was a dope and Osi knows if he signed a 5 year deal he would be getting paid a lot more regardless of what uniform he was wearing.

Drez
04-30-2012, 11:45 AM
Great player But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...
Could've filled his spot this draft though.. Now, that we didn't draft a DE,and lost Tollefson, we kinda need OSI more then ever... Should of at least drafted a DE , if Jerry Reese knew this was coming, or made the deal before the draft or during.. I guess its possible, he tried...
Well, I think the FO is high on Trattou to fill Tolly's role. Plus, we brought in a few DEs as UDFAs. I am surprised though that we didn't draft a DE in the first 4 rounds.

radar-ray
04-30-2012, 11:59 AM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


Can I please have my wages frozen at $3.9MM?</P>


PLEASE!!!!!!!!! </P>


Oh and by the way...It's called a signed contract.</P>


</P>


You've had some rediculous posts of late...but this may be the worst.</P>


You are the silly one but you can't even see it. THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU. I would be happy with 3.9 million, but I am not a premiere pass rushing DE in the NFL. But as long you would be happy, he should, and you dare call my posts silly.</P>


He signed the contract. Its the same contract that paid him huge amounts of money up front, including getting paid more that $7MM in a year where he didn't play a down. </P>


The problem here is that Osi would be far more valuable on another team without JPP and Tuck on it. He's our third best DE right now. The other problem is that he has clearly scared off any possible suitors with rediculous demands of $10MM +.</P>


Its unfortunate for Osi that other players have beaten him out on this team, but its equally unfortunate that his elevated opinion of himself has harmed his ability to start somewhere else.</P>


He's a headache. He's a potential distraction. He's never happy. And every other team knows it and is very hesitant to take that crap on.</P>


Now he's our problem and undoubtedly will not be helpful to our efforts to repeat.</P>


</P>


While I completely agree with you... but whats with the Kiwi extension? Why does he get one before his contract runs out but not Osi? i mean is he HONESTLY more valuable then Osi due to the LB knowledge?
Would you see resigning Boley as an indictment of Osi?

And, yes, in a way it does. It means he's more versatile and can contribute in more facets to the game.

Also, Kiwi's contract is for HALF of what Osi wants. So, we can say if Osi was asking for more money, but a reasonable amount more than it wouldn't be an issue.

Can you HONESTLY say that Osi is worth $10m/yr, particularly to a team that has Tuck and JPP on it?
I think any player worth 10 million a year is ridiculous. But since we live in this world where that IS the case, Osi is not worth 10 million. But I believe hes worth more then 5 mill. somewhere in between then? As i pointed out earlier that our strength on this team is pass rush. shouldn't be a matter of concern that Osi stays and that just because hes our 3rd best DE, doesn't mean he gets crap money due to it. say if Tuck gets hurt again. Osi can fill right in and compete at a high level. And even if Tuck isnt hurt he still sees PLENTY of action. Something about kiwi i just don't see him doing that. im not saying hes worth 10 million. But i feel like if we give him somewhere in a decent range, hell stay. but then there's Cruz, Tuck, JPP and nicks to worry about....
If Osi would be willing to sign a contract that paid him $4m-$6m, he'd be be a Giant until he retires. But, that's not the case. He wants more towards the $10m number. Not going to happen here.
How does anyone know for a fact what Osi would settle for,they don't.You always start high and the other party low in most negotiations. As for Osi being pissed at JR for lying about last years extension offer,I don't blame him. How you would feel if someone bs'd about you. One thing about Osi is he wears his heart on his sleave. Regarding Kiwi, I think it was a good business decision.</P>


You are abslutely right. We don't know what Osi would settle for. It is also true that we don't know that any of that other stuff you just said is true either. How do you "know" that JR "bs'd" Osi?</P>


Let me guess.......Osi said so.</P> Ok, Osi just woke up in a bad mood, and decided to tee off on JR to the media. I guess that's possible.

OsiStrahan#1combo
04-30-2012, 12:02 PM
I completely understand the posters who worry "what if Tuck or JPP goes down."* We have to remember, though, that during all this time the Giants have had 3-4 good to great pass-rushers, there's usually been at least one on a rookie deal.* I can't remember if Strahan, Tuck, and Osi were all on the team together with big contracts, but part of keeping more than two elite pass rushers on the roster has been continuously drafting new ones to fill in.* We can't just pay 3 or 4 veteran DE's big money.*

I do know Tuck wasn't making big money in 2007, and JPP wasn't making big money last year.* In a few years, if JPP and Tuck are still on the roster they will both be making big money, and if we want to have another elite pass rusher on the team, Reese and Co. will likely have to draft one.


Tuck got his pay day basically the day of the superbowl in 07. I was thinking the same too where we just keep drafting a solid DE in like a 3 year span everytime. and in those three year, let the battle begin for the top two DE.

nycsportzfan
04-30-2012, 12:22 PM
Great player But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...
Could've filled his spot this draft though.. Now, that we didn't draft a DE,and lost Tollefson, we kinda need OSI more then ever... Should of at least drafted a DE , if Jerry Reese knew this was coming, or made the deal before the draft or during.. I guess its possible, he tried...
Well, I think the FO is high on Trattou to fill Tolly's role. Plus, we brought in a few DEs as UDFAs. I am surprised though that we didn't draft a DE in the first 4 rounds.
The thing that really bothered me was Cam Johnson was on the board in RD 6, and i realize, and really like the pick of Matt McCants, but we did just pick Mosely, and obviously must of had a idea of this situation with OSI, and Cam Johnson is really talented, despite falling that much this yr, and at worst, should be able to be a solid rotational DE, that will hold up just fine against the Run, and at best, hes a steal, and becomes a pretty good DE as a NFL player.. I really think that should of been are 6th rd selection..

EJ Blue
04-30-2012, 12:24 PM
This is year 3 Osi vs Reese right? or year 4, I can't keep track anymore.

Drez
04-30-2012, 12:25 PM
Great player But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...
Could've filled his spot this draft though.. Now, that we didn't draft a DE,and lost Tollefson, we kinda need OSI more then ever... Should of at least drafted a DE , if Jerry Reese knew this was coming, or made the deal before the draft or during.. I guess its possible, he tried...
Well, I think the FO is high on Trattou to fill Tolly's role. Plus, we brought in a few DEs as UDFAs. I am surprised though that we didn't draft a DE in the first 4 rounds.
The thing that really bothered me was Cam Johnson was on the board in RD 6, and i realize, and really like the pick of Matt McCants, but we did just pick Mosely, and obviously must of had a idea of this situation with OSI, and Cam Johnson is really talented, despite falling that much this yr, and at worst, should be able to be a solid rotational DE, that will hold up just fine against the Run, and at best, hes a steal, and becomes a pretty good DE as a NFL player.. I really think that should of been are 6th rd selection..
I guess we'll see in a few months how this all shakes out.

CGYgiant
04-30-2012, 12:26 PM
Great player But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...
Could've filled his spot this draft though.. Now, that we didn't draft a DE,and lost Tollefson, we kinda need OSI more then ever... Should of at least drafted a DE , if Jerry Reese knew this was coming, or made the deal before the draft or during.. I guess its possible, he tried...
Well, I think the FO is high on Trattou to fill Tolly's role. Plus, we brought in a few DEs as UDFAs. I am surprised though that we didn't draft a DE in the first 4 rounds.
The thing that really bothered me was Cam Johnson was on the board in RD 6, and i realize, and really like the pick of Matt McCants, but we did just pick Mosely, and obviously must of had a idea of this situation with OSI, and Cam Johnson is really talented, despite falling that much this yr, and at worst, should be able to be a solid rotational DE, that will hold up just fine against the Run, and at best, hes a steal, and becomes a pretty good DE as a NFL player.. I really think that should of been are 6th rd selection..

One thing i will agree with you on. Would have loved Cam Johnson in blue, maybe it was a medical thing? A lot of teams passed on him multiple times.

RoanokeFan
04-30-2012, 02:09 PM
Great player But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...
Could've filled his spot this draft though.. Now, that we didn't draft a DE,and lost Tollefson, we kinda need OSI more then ever... Should of at least drafted a DE , if Jerry Reese knew this was coming, or made the deal before the draft or during.. I guess its possible, he tried...

They can move Kiwanuka back to DE if they feel that would be a positive move. We certainly have enough linebackers on teh roster at the moment.

However, Osi is still under contract and Reese may well just let that ride. Then if Osi, in his infinite wisdom, decides to hold out, he is just slitting his own wrists.

giantsfan420
04-30-2012, 02:32 PM
another thing lost in all this, is that Tuck, who i dont think anyone would argue that he's a better DE than Osi, isnt making these crazy demands...IF a DE were to make 10 mil, itd go Tuck, then JPP (in a close second), and THEN osi...

he loses all credibility with his whining bc he makes more than tuck does! osi is a malcontent who has *****ed about his contract since day 1...if I'm JR, the last thing I do is budge to osi's demands. I force him to play out his last yr, and if he wants to hold out, I'd hold out on his player rights...even if osi were tor etire, i wouldnt give up on the rights to osi...so tired of this...he wants to be paid more than tuck and jpp even tho he cant play at their level

nycisgreat
04-30-2012, 02:45 PM
what a mess...thanks rf

This type of tactic didn't end well for Shockey


It surely didn't play out well for Shockey, but in this case it is like comparing oranges and apples. Osi respects Coughlin and Shockey didn't. Shockey's issues wasn't about money it was a lack of discipline. Shockey went after coaches and team mates in the media. Osi hasn't gone after anyone other than Reese. Osi's only issue with the team is monetary, which does breed malcontent. I can respect football disagreements due the business aspect of the NFL, and not went a player cause trouble for coaches.

JMFP2
04-30-2012, 02:52 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media.

Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension

And then, a couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers.....and people are suprised Osi is pissed off????

And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary?

JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house.

I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either.

But this deal is definitely a two-way street.

My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this.

DVision
04-30-2012, 02:58 PM
All of the "give Osi his money" people will be the same people complaining next season when management doesn't have the money to resign players that can actually stay on the field for 16 games!

Osi finds it shady that Reese mentioned he offered 2 extensions and I'm sure management found it shady that Osi pushed for an extension knowing he needed knee surgery that he could have addressed during the off season. Not to mention his bum hip that he is coming off surgery on finally this off season.

Gimaniac
04-30-2012, 03:04 PM
Same script every year. Only difference is this is the last year.

It's a poker game and Reese has all the cards.

DVision
04-30-2012, 03:05 PM
....

RoanokeFan
04-30-2012, 03:05 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media.

Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension

A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers....

......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off?

And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary?

JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house.

I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either.

But this deal is definitely a two-way street.

My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this.

Osi taking the high road? Osi has been whining about his contract since the week after he signed it. He is the one who decided to negotiate in the press instead of in Reese's office. I understand fans being loyal to their favorite players, but Osi needs to stop putting his business on the media carousel. Osi didn't get pissed off yesterday.

Mara and Tisch allow Reese to be the General Manager which is very wise of them.

DVision
04-30-2012, 03:06 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media.

Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension


A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers....

......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off?

And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary?

JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house.

I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either.

But this deal is definitely a two-way street.

My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this.

Wrong! At the Play 60 event Osi went on and on about his contract and how now was the time to trade him. Why is it ok for Osi to discuss his contract situation with the media and not JR?

In fact i'd argue had Osi not been trying to negotiate through the media in the first place the question would have never even been asked to JR!

Osi gave Cruz the advice not to negotiate through the media because it didn't work for him and then he continued to run his mouth.

JMFP2
04-30-2012, 03:08 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media.

Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension

A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers....

......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off?

And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary?

JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house.

I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either.

But this deal is definitely a two-way street.

My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this.

Osi taking the high road?* Osi has been whining about his contract since the week after he signed it.* He is the one who decided to negotiate in the press instead of in Reese's office.* I understand fans being loyal to their favorite players, but Osi needs to stop putting his business on the media carousel.* Osi didn't get pissed off yesterday.

Mara and Tisch allow Reese to be the General Manager which is very wise of them.*


Prior to Reese's comments, this is what Osi said about the Kiwi extension, and how it impacts his situation:

".....
“Well, I can say I’m happy for Kiwi, that’s for sure,” Umenyiora wrote. “He deserves it after all he has been through. It’s a good move by the (Giants).”

A few minutes later, he added, “It’s business. I don’t feel anything but happy for Kiwi honestly. My situation will take care of itself soon.“
...."



My point is that JR shouldn't have made comments about Osi rejecting prior deals....it was totally unconstructive, and was the direct cause of Osi's latest outburst.

Mod_C
04-30-2012, 03:13 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media.

Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension

A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers....

......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off?

And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary?

JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house.

I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either.

But this deal is definitely a two-way street.

My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this.

Osi taking the high road? Osi has been whining about his contract since the week after he signed it. He is the one who decided to negotiate in the press instead of in Reese's office. I understand fans being loyal to their favorite players, but Osi needs to stop putting his business on the media carousel. Osi didn't get pissed off yesterday.

Mara and Tisch allow Reese to be the General Manager which is very wise of them.


Prior to Reese's comments, this is what Osi said about the Kiwi extension, and how it impacts his situation:

".....
“Well, I can say I’m happy for Kiwi, that’s for sure,” Umenyiora wrote. “He deserves it after all he has been through. It’s a good move by the (Giants).”

A few minutes later, he added, “It’s business. I don’t feel anything but happy for Kiwi honestly. My situation will take care of itself soon.“
...."



My point is that JR shouldn't have made comments about Osi rejecting prior deals....it was totally unconstructive, and was the direct cause of Osi's latest outburst.

You think Osi's public comments were constructive?

Gimaniac
04-30-2012, 03:14 PM
My point is that JR shouldn't have made comments about Osi rejecting prior deals....it was totally unconstructive, and was the direct cause of Osi's latest outburst.

I disagree. Osi is trying to gain fan sympathy though the media and Reese took a dump on it.

Osi outbursts only hurt Osi.

JMFP2
04-30-2012, 03:14 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media.

Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension


A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers....

......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off?

And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary?

JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house.

I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either.

But this deal is definitely a two-way street.

My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this.

Wrong! At the Play 60 event Osi went on and on about his contract and how now was the time to trade him. Why is it ok for Osi to discuss his contract situation with the media and not JR?

In fact i'd argue had Osi not been trying to negotiate through the media in the first place the question would have never even been asked to JR!

Osi gave Cruz the advice not to negotiate through the media because it didn't work for him and then he continued to run his mouth.

I'm saying JR triggered this with his comments....which came just days after Osi did his best to take the high road about Kiwi's extension.

This isn't a matter of my opinion....these are direct quotes from Osi and Reese.

JMFP2
04-30-2012, 03:19 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media.

Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension

A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers....

......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off?

And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary?

JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house.

I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either.

But this deal is definitely a two-way street.

My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this.

Osi taking the high road?* Osi has been whining about his contract since the week after he signed it.* He is the one who decided to negotiate in the press instead of in Reese's office.* I understand fans being loyal to their favorite players, but Osi needs to stop putting his business on the media carousel.* Osi didn't get pissed off yesterday.

Mara and Tisch allow Reese to be the General Manager which is very wise of them.*


Prior to Reese's comments, this is what Osi said about the Kiwi extension, and how it impacts his situation:

".....
“Well, I can say I’m happy for Kiwi, that’s for sure,” Umenyiora wrote. “He deserves it after all he has been through. It’s a good move by the (Giants).”

A few minutes later, he added, “It’s business. I don’t feel anything but happy for Kiwi honestly. My situation will take care of itself soon.“
...."



My point is that JR shouldn't have made comments about Osi rejecting prior deals....it was totally unconstructive, and was the direct cause of Osi's latest outburst.

You think Osi's public comments were constructive?



No....which I clearly stated in my original comments.

Here is the timeline......someone, please tell me if I"m mistaken here.

Kiwi gets contract extension.

Osi congratulates Kiwi about extension; and indicates it was a good business move by the Giants; also says that his deal will be taken care of somewhere along the line.

Reese states that Osi has rejected prior contract extensions.

Osi flips out.

Where is it in the GM job description that says the GM has to directly answer every question posed by the press concerning ongoing contract discussions?

Reese is a sharp guy.....this was not a sharp moment for him.

byron
04-30-2012, 03:23 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media. Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers.... ......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off? And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary? JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house. I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either. But this deal is definitely a two-way street. My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this. Wrong! At the Play 60 event Osi went on and on about his contract and how now was the time to trade him. Why is it ok for Osi to discuss his contract situation with the media and not JR? In fact i'd argue had Osi not been trying to negotiate through the media in the first place the question would have never even been asked to JR! Osi gave Cruz the advice not to negotiate through the media because it didn't work for him and then he continued to run his mouth.</P>


I'm saying JR triggered this with his comments....which came just days after Osi did his best to take the high road about Kiwi's extension. This isn't a matter of my opinion....these are direct quotes from Osi and Reese. </P>


Well there is no doubt there.... the question is did JR make those coments to incite Osi ? Sowhat have we got, a pissing match going on here and if so the owners should put a stop to it.....</P>


</P>

G-Man67
04-30-2012, 03:24 PM
none of it matters, he'll play just like he played last season and he'll produce b/c he will need to produce to get the best contract he can</P>


and he will also stifle it, b/c that isn't going to help him in FA</P>


bottom line is there is nothing wrong with him wanting more money to take care of his family, but i do think he has rubbed the Giants the wrong way by doing this all so publicly</P>


finally, Kiwi is 2 years younger and signed a 3 year deal ... Osi has one more year left ... so both players will become FAs at the same exact age ... the difference in the contracts is due when each was signed ... Osi's was signed 6 years ago when contracts were less than they are now ... really don't understand how peeps are confusing that</P>

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 03:25 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media. Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers.... ......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off? And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary? JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house. I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either. But this deal is definitely a two-way street. My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this.

Osi taking the high road? Osi has been whining about his contract since the week after he signed it. He is the one who decided to negotiate in the press instead of in Reese's office. I understand fans being loyal to their favorite players, but Osi needs to stop putting his business on the media carousel. Osi didn't get pissed off yesterday.

Mara and Tisch allow Reese to be the General Manager which is very wise of them.
Prior to Reese's comments, this is what Osi said about the Kiwi extension, and how it impacts his situation: "..... “Well, I can say I’m happy for Kiwi, that’s for sure,” Umenyiora wrote. “He deserves it after all he has been through. It’s a good move by the (Giants).” A few minutes later, he added, “It’s business. I don’t feel anything but happy for Kiwi honestly. My situation will take care of itself soon.“ ...." My point is that JR shouldn't have made comments about Osi rejecting prior deals....it was totally unconstructive, and was the direct cause of Osi's latest outburst.

You think Osi's public comments were constructive?
No....which I clearly stated in my original comments. Here is the timeline......someone, please tell me if I"m mistaken here. Kiwi gets contract extension. Osi congratulates Kiwi about extension; and indicates it was a good business move by the Giants; also says that his deal will be taken care of somewhere along the line. Reese states that Osi has rejected prior contract extensions. Osi flips out. Where is it in the GM job description that says the GM has to directly answer every question posed by the press concerning ongoing contract discussions? Reese is a sharp guy.....this was not a sharp moment for him.</P>


Osi represents Osi.</P>


JR represents the success and future of the NY Giants.</P>


JR represents us.</P>


He' doesn't have to answer questions if he doesn't want to. But after being called a liar, I can see how he would at least want to dispell the rumor than Osi wasn't offered an extension.</P>

JMFP2
04-30-2012, 03:28 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media. Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers.... ......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off? And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary? JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house. I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either. But this deal is definitely a two-way street. My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this. Wrong! At the Play 60 event Osi went on and on about his contract and how now was the time to trade him. Why is it ok for Osi to discuss his contract situation with the media and not JR? In fact i'd argue had Osi not been trying to negotiate through the media in the first place the question would have never even been asked to JR! Osi gave Cruz the advice not to negotiate through the media because it didn't work for him and then he continued to run his mouth.</P>


*I'm saying JR triggered this with his comments....which came just days after Osi did his best to take the high road about Kiwi's extension. This isn't a matter of my opinion....these are direct quotes from Osi and Reese. </P>


Well there is no doubt there.... the question is did JR make those coments to incite Osi ? So*what have we got, a pissing match going on here and if so the owners should put a stop to it.....</P>


*</P>

I don't think JR intentionally wanted to incite Osi.

And, I think Osi needs to bring it down a notch. I've been critical of his attitude in the past, just like 99% of the fanbase. I love what he does on the field, and can't stand the attitude.

My point is JR's comments were unconstructive, and ill-placed.

If people want to stomp on Osi for flipping out, I think they should also look at what he said immediately after Kiwi was extended, and then look at what Reese said, and consider that context as well.

JMFP2
04-30-2012, 03:34 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media. Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers.... ......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off? And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary? JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house. I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either. But this deal is definitely a two-way street. My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this.

Osi taking the high road?* Osi has been whining about his contract since the week after he signed it.* He is the one who decided to negotiate in the press instead of in Reese's office.* I understand fans being loyal to their favorite players, but Osi needs to stop putting his business on the media carousel.* Osi didn't get pissed off yesterday.

Mara and Tisch allow Reese to be the General Manager which is very wise of them.*
Prior to Reese's comments, this is what Osi said about the Kiwi extension, and how it impacts his situation: "..... “Well, I can say I’m happy for Kiwi, that’s for sure,” Umenyiora wrote. “He deserves it after all he has been through. It’s a good move by the (Giants).” A few minutes later, he added, “It’s business. I don’t feel anything but happy for Kiwi honestly. My situation will take care of itself soon.“ ...." My point is that JR shouldn't have made comments about Osi rejecting prior deals....it was totally unconstructive, and was the direct cause of Osi's latest outburst.

You think Osi's public comments were constructive?
No....which I clearly stated in my original comments. Here is the timeline......someone, please tell me if I"m mistaken here. Kiwi gets contract extension. Osi congratulates Kiwi about extension; and indicates it was a good business move by the Giants; also says that his deal will be taken care of somewhere along the line. Reese states that Osi has rejected prior contract extensions. Osi flips out. Where is it in the GM job description that says the GM has to directly answer every question posed by the press concerning ongoing contract discussions? Reese is a sharp guy.....this was not a sharp moment for him.</P>


Osi represents Osi.</P>


JR represents the success and future of the NY Giants.</P>


JR represents us.</P>


He' doesn't have to answer questions if he doesn't want to.* But after being called a liar, I can see how he would at least want to dispell the rumor than Osi wasn't offered an extension.</P>

There's no need to dispel anything. I'm sure his bosses are fully-briefed on what transpires between the Reese and the players.

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 03:36 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media. Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers.... ......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off? And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary? JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house. I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either. But this deal is definitely a two-way street. My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this.

Osi taking the high road? Osi has been whining about his contract since the week after he signed it. He is the one who decided to negotiate in the press instead of in Reese's office. I understand fans being loyal to their favorite players, but Osi needs to stop putting his business on the media carousel. Osi didn't get pissed off yesterday.

Mara and Tisch allow Reese to be the General Manager which is very wise of them.
Prior to Reese's comments, this is what Osi said about the Kiwi extension, and how it impacts his situation: "..... “Well, I can say I’m happy for Kiwi, that’s for sure,” Umenyiora wrote. “He deserves it after all he has been through. It’s a good move by the (Giants).” A few minutes later, he added, “It’s business. I don’t feel anything but happy for Kiwi honestly. My situation will take care of itself soon.“ ...." My point is that JR shouldn't have made comments about Osi rejecting prior deals....it was totally unconstructive, and was the direct cause of Osi's latest outburst.

You think Osi's public comments were constructive?
No....which I clearly stated in my original comments. Here is the timeline......someone, please tell me if I"m mistaken here. Kiwi gets contract extension. Osi congratulates Kiwi about extension; and indicates it was a good business move by the Giants; also says that his deal will be taken care of somewhere along the line. Reese states that Osi has rejected prior contract extensions. Osi flips out. Where is it in the GM job description that says the GM has to directly answer every question posed by the press concerning ongoing contract discussions? Reese is a sharp guy.....this was not a sharp moment for him.</P>


Osi represents Osi.</P>


JR represents the success and future of the NY Giants.</P>


JR represents us.</P>


He' doesn't have to answer questions if he doesn't want to. But after being called a liar, I can see how he would at least want to dispell the rumor than Osi wasn't offered an extension.</P>


There's no need to dispel anything. I'm sure his bosses are fully-briefed on what transpires between the Reese and the players.</P>


Huh?</P>

Mod_C
04-30-2012, 03:40 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media. Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers.... ......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off? And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary? JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house. I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either. But this deal is definitely a two-way street. My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this. Wrong! At the Play 60 event Osi went on and on about his contract and how now was the time to trade him. Why is it ok for Osi to discuss his contract situation with the media and not JR? In fact i'd argue had Osi not been trying to negotiate through the media in the first place the question would have never even been asked to JR! Osi gave Cruz the advice not to negotiate through the media because it didn't work for him and then he continued to run his mouth.</p>


I'm saying JR triggered this with his comments....which came just days after Osi did his best to take the high road about Kiwi's extension. This isn't a matter of my opinion....these are direct quotes from Osi and Reese. </p>


Well there is no doubt there.... the question is did JR make those coments to incite Osi ? Sowhat have we got, a pissing match going on here and if so the owners should put a stop to it.....</p>



</p>
Honestly, Kiwanuka's contact situation is none of Osi's business. Osi's opinions about that are irrelevant and have nothing to do with his continued public comments about how ill treated he is here.

I cannot, for the life of me understand why Osi insists on making HIS siutation center stage in every media outlet on earth. He should have learned last year that he's not gaining any ground with the fans or the organization.

The only difference between this scenario with Osi and Shockey's situation is the reason for the hatred. Shockey wanted to be more involved in the offense in terms of receiving, Osi wants more money.

As to wanting to provide for his family, I agree 100% and he should do whatever it takes privately to take care of that business.

Osi has taken this to the public for a long time now and when Reese finally comments, it's all his fault? I just don't see it that way.

byron
04-30-2012, 03:41 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media. Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers.... ......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off? And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary? JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house. I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either. But this deal is definitely a two-way street. My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this. Wrong! At the Play 60 event Osi went on and on about his contract and how now was the time to trade him. Why is it ok for Osi to discuss his contract situation with the media and not JR? In fact i'd argue had Osi not been trying to negotiate through the media in the first place the question would have never even been asked to JR! Osi gave Cruz the advice not to negotiate through the media because it didn't work for him and then he continued to run his mouth.</P>


I'm saying JR triggered this with his comments....which came just days after Osi did his best to take the high road about Kiwi's extension. This isn't a matter of my opinion....these are direct quotes from Osi and Reese. </P>


Well there is no doubt there.... the question is did JR make those coments to incite Osi ? Sowhat have we got, a pissing match going on here and if so the owners should put a stop to it.....</P>


</P>


I don't think JR intentionally wanted to incite Osi. And, I think Osi needs to bring it down a notch. I've been critical of his attitude in the past, just like 99% of the fanbase. I love what he does on the field, and can't stand the attitude. My point is JR's comments were unconstructive, and ill-placed. If people want to stomp on Osi for flipping out, I think they should also look at what he said immediately after Kiwi was extended, and then look at what Reese said, and consider that context as well.</P>


fair enought there man....I guess the worst case is we have to put up with this drama for one more year .....I don't hateQsi... I'mjust tired of thisyear in and year out contract fight....</P>


</P>


edit: Sorry ....for so reason my post aren't quoting right</P>


a new message board might be nice ;)</P>

JMFP2
04-30-2012, 03:42 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media. Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers.... ......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off? And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary? JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house. I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either. But this deal is definitely a two-way street. My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this.

Osi taking the high road?* Osi has been whining about his contract since the week after he signed it.* He is the one who decided to negotiate in the press instead of in Reese's office.* I understand fans being loyal to their favorite players, but Osi needs to stop putting his business on the media carousel.* Osi didn't get pissed off yesterday.

Mara and Tisch allow Reese to be the General Manager which is very wise of them.*
Prior to Reese's comments, this is what Osi said about the Kiwi extension, and how it impacts his situation: "..... “Well, I can say I’m happy for Kiwi, that’s for sure,” Umenyiora wrote. “He deserves it after all he has been through. It’s a good move by the (Giants).” A few minutes later, he added, “It’s business. I don’t feel anything but happy for Kiwi honestly. My situation will take care of itself soon.“ ...." My point is that JR shouldn't have made comments about Osi rejecting prior deals....it was totally unconstructive, and was the direct cause of Osi's latest outburst.

You think Osi's public comments were constructive?
No....which I clearly stated in my original comments. Here is the timeline......someone, please tell me if I"m mistaken here. Kiwi gets contract extension. Osi congratulates Kiwi about extension; and indicates it was a good business move by the Giants; also says that his deal will be taken care of somewhere along the line. Reese states that Osi has rejected prior contract extensions. Osi flips out. Where is it in the GM job description that says the GM has to directly answer every question posed by the press concerning ongoing contract discussions? Reese is a sharp guy.....this was not a sharp moment for him.</P>


Osi represents Osi.</P>


JR represents the success and future of the NY Giants.</P>


JR represents us.</P>


He' doesn't have to answer questions if he doesn't want to.* But after being called a liar, I can see how he would at least want to dispell the rumor than Osi wasn't offered an extension.</P>


There's no need to dispel anything. I'm sure his bosses are fully-briefed on what transpires between the Reese and the players.</P>


Huh?</P>

I'm sure Mara and Tisch are fully-aware of the contract negotiations between Osi and Reese.

Reese doesn't need to go to the press and say Osi has turned down prior offers. Given the history of the negotiations, the less that is said publicly, the better.

Here's an example of what should be said:

Press: "What's the situtation with Osi."

Reese: "Both sides are still working on things. Osi is a great Giant, and our hope is that we can come to an agreement that works for him. We want him to retire a Giant."

Press: "Has somethnig been offered to Osi?....how far apart are the two parties?"

Reese: "Both sides are still working on things. Osi is a great Giant, and our hope is that we can come to an agreement that works for him. We want him to retire a Giant."

Press: "Is a trade in the works?"

Reese: Reese: "Both sides are still working on things. Osi is a great Giant, and our hope is that we can come to an agreement that works for him. We want him to retire a Giant."

JMFP2
04-30-2012, 03:43 PM
edit....double post.

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 03:45 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media. Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers.... ......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off? And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary? JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house. I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either. But this deal is definitely a two-way street. My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this.

Osi taking the high road? Osi has been whining about his contract since the week after he signed it. He is the one who decided to negotiate in the press instead of in Reese's office. I understand fans being loyal to their favorite players, but Osi needs to stop putting his business on the media carousel. Osi didn't get pissed off yesterday.

Mara and Tisch allow Reese to be the General Manager which is very wise of them.
Prior to Reese's comments, this is what Osi said about the Kiwi extension, and how it impacts his situation: "..... “Well, I can say I’m happy for Kiwi, that’s for sure,” Umenyiora wrote. “He deserves it after all he has been through. It’s a good move by the (Giants).” A few minutes later, he added, “It’s business. I don’t feel anything but happy for Kiwi honestly. My situation will take care of itself soon.“ ...." My point is that JR shouldn't have made comments about Osi rejecting prior deals....it was totally unconstructive, and was the direct cause of Osi's latest outburst.

You think Osi's public comments were constructive?
No....which I clearly stated in my original comments. Here is the timeline......someone, please tell me if I"m mistaken here. Kiwi gets contract extension. Osi congratulates Kiwi about extension; and indicates it was a good business move by the Giants; also says that his deal will be taken care of somewhere along the line. Reese states that Osi has rejected prior contract extensions. Osi flips out. Where is it in the GM job description that says the GM has to directly answer every question posed by the press concerning ongoing contract discussions? Reese is a sharp guy.....this was not a sharp moment for him.</P>


Osi represents Osi.</P>


JR represents the success and future of the NY Giants.</P>


JR represents us.</P>


He' doesn't have to answer questions if he doesn't want to. But after being called a liar, I can see how he would at least want to dispell the rumor than Osi wasn't offered an extension.</P>


There's no need to dispel anything. I'm sure his bosses are fully-briefed on what transpires between the Reese and the players.</P>


Huh?</P>


I'm sure Mara and Tisch are fully-aware of the contract negotiations between Osi and Reese. Reese doesn't need to go to the press and say Osi has turned down prior offers. Given the history of the negotiations, the less that is said publicly, the better. Here's an example of what should be said: Press: "What's the situtation with Osi." Reese: "Both sides are still working on things. Osi is a great Giant, and our hope is that we can come to an agreement that works for him. We want him to retire a Giant." Press: "Has somethnig been offered to Osi?....how far apart are the two parties?" Reese: "Both sides are still working on things. Osi is a great Giant, and our hope is that we can come to an agreement that works for him. We want him to retire a Giant." Press: "Is a trade in the works?" Reese: Reese: "Both sides are still working on things. Osi is a great Giant, and our hope is that we can come to an agreement that works for him. We want him to retire a Giant."</P>


The audience isn't his bosses. Its the fans of the New York Giants.</P>


He owes us at least some explanation, and not the prepackaged answer you are suggesting.</P>

RoanokeFan
04-30-2012, 03:52 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media. Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers.... ......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off? And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary? JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house. I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either. But this deal is definitely a two-way street. My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this.

Osi taking the high road? Osi has been whining about his contract since the week after he signed it. He is the one who decided to negotiate in the press instead of in Reese's office. I understand fans being loyal to their favorite players, but Osi needs to stop putting his business on the media carousel. Osi didn't get pissed off yesterday.

Mara and Tisch allow Reese to be the General Manager which is very wise of them.
Prior to Reese's comments, this is what Osi said about the Kiwi extension, and how it impacts his situation: "..... “Well, I can say I’m happy for Kiwi, that’s for sure,” Umenyiora wrote. “He deserves it after all he has been through. It’s a good move by the (Giants).” A few minutes later, he added, “It’s business. I don’t feel anything but happy for Kiwi honestly. My situation will take care of itself soon.“ ...." My point is that JR shouldn't have made comments about Osi rejecting prior deals....it was totally unconstructive, and was the direct cause of Osi's latest outburst.

You think Osi's public comments were constructive?
No....which I clearly stated in my original comments. Here is the timeline......someone, please tell me if I"m mistaken here. Kiwi gets contract extension. Osi congratulates Kiwi about extension; and indicates it was a good business move by the Giants; also says that his deal will be taken care of somewhere along the line. Reese states that Osi has rejected prior contract extensions. Osi flips out. Where is it in the GM job description that says the GM has to directly answer every question posed by the press concerning ongoing contract discussions? Reese is a sharp guy.....this was not a sharp moment for him.</p>


Osi represents Osi.</p>


JR represents the success and future of the NY Giants.</p>


JR represents us.</p>


He' doesn't have to answer questions if he doesn't want to. But after being called a liar, I can see how he would at least want to dispell the rumor than Osi wasn't offered an extension.</p>


There's no need to dispel anything. I'm sure his bosses are fully-briefed on what transpires between the Reese and the players.</p>


Huh?</p>

I'm sure Mara and Tisch are fully-aware of the contract negotiations between Osi and Reese.

<font color="#0000FF" size="5">Reese doesn't need to go to the press and say Osi has turned down prior offers. </font>Given the history of the negotiations, the less that is said publicly, the better.

Here's an example of what should be said:

Press: "What's the situtation with Osi."

Reese: "Both sides are still working on things. Osi is a great Giant, and our hope is that we can come to an agreement that works for him. We want him to retire a Giant."

Press: "Has somethnig been offered to Osi?....how far apart are the two parties?"

Reese: "Both sides are still working on things. Osi is a great Giant, and our hope is that we can come to an agreement that works for him. We want him to retire a Giant."

Press: "Is a trade in the works?"

Reese: Reese: "Both sides are still working on things. Osi is a great Giant, and our hope is that we can come to an agreement that works for him. We want him to retire a Giant."

Here's the thing. Until Reese said that, we were under the impression, thanks to Osi, that nothing was happening. That is clearly not the case. You can't have one set of rules for for one sire and another set for the other. The playing field has to be level. Osi started the public negotiations and Reese had no choice but to finally provide some factual information that brings that better into focus.

JMFP2
04-30-2012, 03:52 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media. Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers.... ......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off? And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary? JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house. I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either. But this deal is definitely a two-way street. My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this.

Osi taking the high road?* Osi has been whining about his contract since the week after he signed it.* He is the one who decided to negotiate in the press instead of in Reese's office.* I understand fans being loyal to their favorite players, but Osi needs to stop putting his business on the media carousel.* Osi didn't get pissed off yesterday.

Mara and Tisch allow Reese to be the General Manager which is very wise of them.*
Prior to Reese's comments, this is what Osi said about the Kiwi extension, and how it impacts his situation: "..... “Well, I can say I’m happy for Kiwi, that’s for sure,” Umenyiora wrote. “He deserves it after all he has been through. It’s a good move by the (Giants).” A few minutes later, he added, “It’s business. I don’t feel anything but happy for Kiwi honestly. My situation will take care of itself soon.“ ...." My point is that JR shouldn't have made comments about Osi rejecting prior deals....it was totally unconstructive, and was the direct cause of Osi's latest outburst.

You think Osi's public comments were constructive?
No....which I clearly stated in my original comments. Here is the timeline......someone, please tell me if I"m mistaken here. Kiwi gets contract extension. Osi congratulates Kiwi about extension; and indicates it was a good business move by the Giants; also says that his deal will be taken care of somewhere along the line. Reese states that Osi has rejected prior contract extensions. Osi flips out. Where is it in the GM job description that says the GM has to directly answer every question posed by the press concerning ongoing contract discussions? Reese is a sharp guy.....this was not a sharp moment for him.</P>


Osi represents Osi.</P>


JR represents the success and future of the NY Giants.</P>


JR represents us.</P>


He' doesn't have to answer questions if he doesn't want to.* But after being called a liar, I can see how he would at least want to dispell the rumor than Osi wasn't offered an extension.</P>


There's no need to dispel anything. I'm sure his bosses are fully-briefed on what transpires between the Reese and the players.</P>


Huh?</P>


I'm sure Mara and Tisch are fully-aware of the contract negotiations between Osi and Reese. Reese doesn't need to go to the press and say Osi has turned down prior offers. Given the history of the negotiations, the less that is said publicly, the better. Here's an example of what should be said: Press: "What's the situtation with Osi." Reese: "Both sides are still working on things. Osi is a great Giant, and our hope is that we can come to an agreement that works for him. We want him to retire a Giant." Press: "Has somethnig been offered to Osi?....how far apart are the two parties?" Reese: "Both sides are still working on things. Osi is a great Giant, and our hope is that we can come to an agreement that works for him. We want him to retire a Giant." Press: "Is a trade in the works?" Reese: Reese: "Both sides are still working on things. Osi is a great Giant, and our hope is that we can come to an agreement that works for him. We want him to retire a Giant."</P>


The audience isn't his bosses.* Its the fans of the New York Giants.</P>


He owes us at least some explanation, and not the prepackaged answer you are suggesting.</P>

He reports to Mara and Tisch.....Mara and Tisch "report" to the ticket holders and fans in general.

The only thing that Reese "owes" me is to do his best to field a great team.

Reese has done a great job on that, but he's also made some mistakes, and I think this is an example of a mistake.

I've been critical of Osi on numerous occasions about his contract gripes. But I hold the conduct of the front office to a higher standard than the conduct of the player.

If people think Osi wasn't set off in part by Reese's latest comments - which were unneeded- then I guess we'll disagree.

Redeyejedi
04-30-2012, 03:52 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media. Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers.... ......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off? And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary? JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house. I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either. But this deal is definitely a two-way street. My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this.

Osi taking the high road?* Osi has been whining about his contract since the week after he signed it.* He is the one who decided to negotiate in the press instead of in Reese's office.* I understand fans being loyal to their favorite players, but Osi needs to stop putting his business on the media carousel.* Osi didn't get pissed off yesterday.

Mara and Tisch allow Reese to be the General Manager which is very wise of them.*
Prior to Reese's comments, this is what Osi said about the Kiwi extension, and how it impacts his situation: "..... “Well, I can say I’m happy for Kiwi, that’s for sure,” Umenyiora wrote. “He deserves it after all he has been through. It’s a good move by the (Giants).” A few minutes later, he added, “It’s business. I don’t feel anything but happy for Kiwi honestly. My situation will take care of itself soon.“ ...." My point is that JR shouldn't have made comments about Osi rejecting prior deals....it was totally unconstructive, and was the direct cause of Osi's latest outburst.

You think Osi's public comments were constructive?
No....which I clearly stated in my original comments. Here is the timeline......someone, please tell me if I"m mistaken here. Kiwi gets contract extension. Osi congratulates Kiwi about extension; and indicates it was a good business move by the Giants; also says that his deal will be taken care of somewhere along the line. Reese states that Osi has rejected prior contract extensions. Osi flips out. Where is it in the GM job description that says the GM has to directly answer every question posed by the press concerning ongoing contract discussions? Reese is a sharp guy.....this was not a sharp moment for him.</P>


Osi represents Osi.</P>


JR represents the success and future of the NY Giants.</P>


JR represents us.</P>


He' doesn't have to answer questions if he doesn't want to.* But after being called a liar, I can see how he would at least want to dispell the rumor than Osi wasn't offered an extension.</P>I guess but if your giving him awful offers then I can understand why Osi is pissed. Without knowing the context of the offer its hard to know how bad or good it is.Maybe he offered Osi a bump this season thats why the guaranteed money was so low but Osi wanted a 5 year extension so he turned it down, we just dont know.Im sure when Osi leaves we will get some details from his side at least.
I do think both sides are at fault for this situation though.Its deteriorating to the point where both sides arent going to get what they want. Osi is being such a malcontent killing his trade value which in turn makes it worthless for the Giants to trade him. If he plays poorly and acts up another team isnt going to want to pay him what he wants next year.

JMFP2
04-30-2012, 03:54 PM
I do think both sides are at fault for this situation though.Its deteriorating to the point where both sides arent going to get what they want. Osi is being such a malcontent killing his trade value which in turn makes it worthless for the Giants to trade him. If he plays poorly and acts up another team isnt going to want to pay him what he wants next year.

I totally agree with this.

RoanokeFan
04-30-2012, 03:57 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media. Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers.... ......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off? And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary? JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house. I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either. But this deal is definitely a two-way street. My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this.

Osi taking the high road? Osi has been whining about his contract since the week after he signed it. He is the one who decided to negotiate in the press instead of in Reese's office. I understand fans being loyal to their favorite players, but Osi needs to stop putting his business on the media carousel. Osi didn't get pissed off yesterday.

Mara and Tisch allow Reese to be the General Manager which is very wise of them.
Prior to Reese's comments, this is what Osi said about the Kiwi extension, and how it impacts his situation: "..... “Well, I can say I’m happy for Kiwi, that’s for sure,” Umenyiora wrote. “He deserves it after all he has been through. It’s a good move by the (Giants).” A few minutes later, he added, “It’s business. I don’t feel anything but happy for Kiwi honestly. My situation will take care of itself soon.“ ...." My point is that JR shouldn't have made comments about Osi rejecting prior deals....it was totally unconstructive, and was the direct cause of Osi's latest outburst.

You think Osi's public comments were constructive?
No....which I clearly stated in my original comments. Here is the timeline......someone, please tell me if I"m mistaken here. Kiwi gets contract extension. Osi congratulates Kiwi about extension; and indicates it was a good business move by the Giants; also says that his deal will be taken care of somewhere along the line. Reese states that Osi has rejected prior contract extensions. Osi flips out. Where is it in the GM job description that says the GM has to directly answer every question posed by the press concerning ongoing contract discussions? Reese is a sharp guy.....this was not a sharp moment for him.</p>


Osi represents Osi.</p>


JR represents the success and future of the NY Giants.</p>


JR represents us.</p>


He' doesn't have to answer questions if he doesn't want to. But after being called a liar, I can see how he would at least want to dispell the rumor than Osi wasn't offered an extension.</p>I guess but if your giving him awful offers then I can understand why Osi is pissed. Without knowing the context of the offer its hard to know how bad or good it is.Maybe he offered Osi a bump this season thats why the guaranteed money was so low but Osi wanted a 5 year extension so he turned it down, we just dont know.Im sure when Osi leaves we will get some details from his side at least.
I do think both sides are at fault for this situation though.Its deteriorating to the point where both sides arent going to get what they want. Osi is being such a malcontent killing his trade value which in turn makes it worthless for the Giants to trade him. If he plays poorly and acts up another team isnt going to want to pay him what he wants next year.

I agree to a point, however Reese holds the trump card. He can tell Osi to play out his contract. Now, as you suggest, if Osi rebels and holds out or plays like ****, he seals his own fate.

byron
04-30-2012, 04:00 PM
this is like a amicable divorcegone bad</P>


war of the Roses type thing !</P>

RoanokeFan
04-30-2012, 04:04 PM
this is like a amicable divorcegone bad</p>


war of the Roses type thing !</p>

Going public with dirty laundry rarely results in clean sheets.

sharick88
04-30-2012, 04:08 PM
You would think that Osi would have learned last year not to use the media and fans as leverage. Oh well. Different year, same ****.

DemandedAce
04-30-2012, 04:08 PM
Osi is a little... bad word. How dare he go out just... he makes it seem like he thinks he's this all-world talent and Kiwi is a second rate bum when he speaks of his contract like that. YOU got YOUR money when YOU started. Now you're playing second fiddle and can only rarely stuff a run play with your one-trick-pony antics and you call out a starter that puts it out there every down at whichever position the coaches ask without a word to the media?

Screw off, Osi. You're worth less to everyone else than you are to us now with your public displays of immaturity.

RoanokeFan
04-30-2012, 04:10 PM
You would think that Osi would have learned last year not to use the media and fans as leverage. Oh well. Different year, same ****.
+1

byron
04-30-2012, 04:34 PM
this is like a amicable divorcegone bad</P>


war of the Roses type thing !</P>

Going public with dirty laundry rarely results in clean sheets.
Oh I hear ya RF and the points you make are allvalid ones that I respect...For me I don't care who is right or wrong in this thing I just wish it wasn't happening...At this point for meits hard to imagine things workingbetween OsiandJR/ Giants....If no newdealcan bemade Qsi needs to finish up the deal he signed and move on from there.... He'll probably fight this linethinking no doubt

RoanokeFan
04-30-2012, 04:37 PM
this is like a amicable divorcegone bad</p>


war of the Roses type thing !</p>

Going public with dirty laundry rarely results in clean sheets.
Oh I hear ya RF and the points you make are allvalid ones that I respect...For me I don't care who is right or wrong in this thing I just wish it wasn't happening...At this point for meits hard to imagine things workingbetween OsiandJR/ Giants....If no newdealcan bemade Qsi needs to finish up the deal he signed and move on from there.... He'll probably fight this linethinking no doubt

You just can't **** on your boss's desk and expect to grow roses.

BigBlue1971
04-30-2012, 04:40 PM
what is it with this guy Osi????!!!!</P>


why does he complain so much while hes still has a year left on his contract?</P>


Osi is a good player i get it but he is not worth his current weight.</P>


Reese should just make the best trade he can and get this guy outta here asap!</P>

buffyblue
04-30-2012, 04:45 PM
This is a contract year for Osi so he is going to play hard.

It is a shame because Osi got the conract he wanted when he sig ed the current one. I wish something could be worked out but I understand JR refusing to be held up by this primadonna.

I bELIeve.

B&RWarrior
04-30-2012, 04:52 PM
This is classic management versus the employee battle. </P>



sad part is that the situation does not bode well for Osi and his tactics .... see some reasons below 1. JPP emergence 2. Tuck Leadership 3. Kiwi Extension 4. Osi Age 5. Giants D-Line Depth </P>


Because of the points Mommy2dylan pointed out FO and JR are going to play hard ball. The Kiwi extension is the clear indicator that lets Osi know that the FO and JR could care less if he retires a Giant. </P>


We've seen this before with the SS negotiations. In the SS contract dispute FO had way less leverage and we still didn't move off what we thought SS's value was. </P>


In football, players don't get credit for tenure in contract negotiations. What a player has done in the past means nothing. What can he do now and what can he do in the future, that's all thatthe FO cares about.Sad but true.</P>


The argument that you signed a contract and should play it out doesn't hold water. IfCruz gets hurt next year and (God forbid) blows out both ACL's and has a herniated disk. He could have a 10 year contract, it wouldn't matter. They would cut him faster than you can blink. So for his SB season efforts Cruz made about $500K. In comparison to his market value it's a pittance. You want to know how much money the Gaints organization made and continue to make because of the SB victory? $500K is a drop in the bucket. </P>


FO is attempting to resign Osi based on his value to the Giants, which is much lower than his market value. This is irrational and no player would go for it. Players have always been priced at their market value in the entire league. Osi's arguably the best edge rusher in the league. </P>


Everything the FO is doing is sound business. It makes sense from a money stand point and from the perspective of keeping the Giants competitive for the long term. Still, JR came off like a used car salesman with his, "We haveoffered two contract extensions to Osi." line, knowingthey we're trash offers. The guy went to war for us for 8 years and we offered him half of what we gave to Kiwi in terms of gauranteed money. Kiwi is in now way as accomplished as Osi. But the past is forgotten, and the future is brighter for the younger Kiwi. </P>


FO wants him to play out his contract and then we'll watch him to another team. If he can afford it,Osi should hold out and just go to another team next year. I honestly don't think JR ever made any attempts at trying to move him. We want him to play for the Giants next year, but we understand we are not in a position to resign him for his market value. Iknow if I played 9 years for a team and you're offering me half the gauranteed money of guy that hasn't done a 3rd of what I have done for your franchise I would hold out with no guilt- fans be damned.</P>


No bad guys in this deal. Osi is looking to max out on a once in a lifetime oppportunity to earn some serious cash. JR and the FO are protecting the interests of the Giants franchise. Both sides will use whatever tactics deemed necessary to move their agenda forward. This is the ugly side of football.</P>


</P>

RoanokeFan
04-30-2012, 04:58 PM
This is classic management versus the employee battle. </p>



sad part is that the situation does not bode well for Osi and his tactics .... see some reasons below 1. JPP emergence 2. Tuck Leadership 3. Kiwi Extension 4. Osi Age 5. Giants D-Line Depth </p>


Because of the points Mommy2dylan pointed out FO and JR are going to play hard ball. The Kiwi extension is the clear indicator that lets Osi know that the FO and JR could care less if he retires a Giant. </p>


We've seen this before with the SS negotiations. In the SS contract dispute FO had way less leverage and we still didn't move off what we thought SS's value was. </p>


<font color="#0000FF">In football, players don't get credit for tenure in contract negotiations. What a player has done in the past means nothing. What can he do now and what can he do in the future, that's all thatthe FO cares about.Sad but true.</font></p>


The argument that you signed a contract and should play it out doesn't hold water. IfCruz gets hurt next year and (God forbid) blows out both ACL's and has a herniated disk. He could have a 10 year contract, it wouldn't matter. They would cut him faster than you can blink. So for his SB season efforts Cruz made about $500K. In comparison to his market value it's a pittance. You want to know how much money the Gaints organization made and continue to make because of the SB victory? $500K is a drop in the bucket. </p>


FO is attempting to resign Osi based on his value to the Giants, which is much lower than his market value. This is irrational and no player would go for it. Players have always been priced at their market value in the entire league. Osi's arguably the best edge rusher in the league. </p>


Everything the FO is doing is sound business. It makes sense from a money stand point and from the perspective of keeping the Giants competitive for the long term. Still, JR came off like a used car salesman with his, "We haveoffered two contract extensions to Osi." line, knowingthey we're trash offers. The guy went to war for us for 8 years and we offered him half of what we gave to Kiwi in terms of gauranteed money. Kiwi is in now way as accomplished as Osi. But the past is forgotten, and the future is brighter for the younger Kiwi. </p>


FO wants him to play out his contract and then we'll watch him to another team. If he can afford it,Osi should hold out and just go to another team next year. I honestly don't think JR ever made any attempts at trying to move him. We want him to play for the Giants next year, but we understand we are not in a position to resign him for his market value. Iknow if I played 9 years for a team and you're offering me half the gauranteed money of guy that hasn't done a 3rd of what I have done for your franchise I would hold out with no guilt- fans be damned.</p>


No bad guys in this deal. Osi is looking to max out on a once in a lifetime oppportunity to earn some serious cash. JR and the FO are protecting the interests of the Giants franchise. Both sides will use whatever tactics deemed necessary to move their agenda forward. This is the ugly side of football.</p>


</p>

Actually tenure can factor in when players are offered veteran minimum. The amount is directly related to how long they've been in the League.

giantyankee1976
04-30-2012, 04:59 PM
I really like Osi but enough is enough.

I'd hate to see him an eagle, boy, niner, raven or skin but this has passed out of control a long time ago.

B&RWarrior
04-30-2012, 05:02 PM
This is classic management versus the employee battle. </P>



sad part is that the situation does not bode well for Osi and his tactics .... see some reasons below 1. JPP emergence 2. Tuck Leadership 3. Kiwi Extension 4. Osi Age 5. Giants D-Line Depth </P>


Because of the points Mommy2dylan pointed out FO and JR are going to play hard ball. The Kiwi extension is the clear indicator that lets Osi know that the FO and JR could care less if he retires a Giant. </P>


We've seen this before with the SS negotiations. In the SS contract dispute FO had way less leverage and we still didn't move off what we thought SS's value was. </P>


<FONT color=#0000ff>In football, players don't get credit for tenure in contract negotiations. What a player has done in the past means nothing. What can he do now and what can he do in the future, that's all thatthe FO cares about.Sad but true.</FONT></P>


The argument that you signed a contract and should play it out doesn't hold water. IfCruz gets hurt next year and (God forbid) blows out both ACL's and has a herniated disk. He could have a 10 year contract, it wouldn't matter. They would cut him faster than you can blink. So for his SB season efforts Cruz made about $500K. In comparison to his market value it's a pittance. You want to know how much money the Gaints organization made and continue to make because of the SB victory? $500K is a drop in the bucket. </P>


FO is attempting to resign Osi based on his value to the Giants, which is much lower than his market value. This is irrational and no player would go for it. Players have always been priced at their market value in the entire league. Osi's arguably the best edge rusher in the league. </P>


Everything the FO is doing is sound business. It makes sense from a money stand point and from the perspective of keeping the Giants competitive for the long term. Still, JR came off like a used car salesman with his, "We haveoffered two contract extensions to Osi." line, knowingthey we're trash offers. The guy went to war for us for 8 years and we offered him half of what we gave to Kiwi in terms of gauranteed money. Kiwi is in now way as accomplished as Osi. But the past is forgotten, and the future is brighter for the younger Kiwi. </P>


FO wants him to play out his contract and then we'll watch him to another team. If he can afford it,Osi should hold out and just go to another team next year. I honestly don't think JR ever made any attempts at trying to move him. We want him to play for the Giants next year, but we understand we are not in a position to resign him for his market value. Iknow if I played 9 years for a team and you're offering me half the gauranteed money of guy that hasn't done a 3rd of what I have done for your franchise I would hold out with no guilt- fans be damned.</P>


No bad guys in this deal. Osi is looking to max out on a once in a lifetime oppportunity to earn some serious cash. JR and the FO are protecting the interests of the Giants franchise. Both sides will use whatever tactics deemed necessary to move their agenda forward. This is the ugly side of football.</P>


</P>




Actually tenure can factor in when players are offered veteran minimum. The amount is directly related to how long they've been in the League.
</P>


True, but in this instance I'm arguing for the player's whose market value is above the minimum.</P>

RoanokeFan
04-30-2012, 05:11 PM
This is classic management versus the employee battle. </p>



sad part is that the situation does not bode well for Osi and his tactics .... see some reasons below 1. JPP emergence 2. Tuck Leadership 3. Kiwi Extension 4. Osi Age 5. Giants D-Line Depth </p>


Because of the points Mommy2dylan pointed out FO and JR are going to play hard ball. The Kiwi extension is the clear indicator that lets Osi know that the FO and JR could care less if he retires a Giant. </p>


We've seen this before with the SS negotiations. In the SS contract dispute FO had way less leverage and we still didn't move off what we thought SS's value was. </p>


<font color="#0000ff">In football, players don't get credit for tenure in contract negotiations. What a player has done in the past means nothing. What can he do now and what can he do in the future, that's all thatthe FO cares about.Sad but true.</font></p>


The argument that you signed a contract and should play it out doesn't hold water. IfCruz gets hurt next year and (God forbid) blows out both ACL's and has a herniated disk. He could have a 10 year contract, it wouldn't matter. They would cut him faster than you can blink. So for his SB season efforts Cruz made about $500K. In comparison to his market value it's a pittance. You want to know how much money the Gaints organization made and continue to make because of the SB victory? $500K is a drop in the bucket. </p>


FO is attempting to resign Osi based on his value to the Giants, which is much lower than his market value. This is irrational and no player would go for it. Players have always been priced at their market value in the entire league. Osi's arguably the best edge rusher in the league. </p>


Everything the FO is doing is sound business. It makes sense from a money stand point and from the perspective of keeping the Giants competitive for the long term. Still, JR came off like a used car salesman with his, "We haveoffered two contract extensions to Osi." line, knowingthey we're trash offers. The guy went to war for us for 8 years and we offered him half of what we gave to Kiwi in terms of gauranteed money. Kiwi is in now way as accomplished as Osi. But the past is forgotten, and the future is brighter for the younger Kiwi. </p>


FO wants him to play out his contract and then we'll watch him to another team. If he can afford it,Osi should hold out and just go to another team next year. I honestly don't think JR ever made any attempts at trying to move him. We want him to play for the Giants next year, but we understand we are not in a position to resign him for his market value. Iknow if I played 9 years for a team and you're offering me half the gauranteed money of guy that hasn't done a 3rd of what I have done for your franchise I would hold out with no guilt- fans be damned.</p>


No bad guys in this deal. Osi is looking to max out on a once in a lifetime oppportunity to earn some serious cash. JR and the FO are protecting the interests of the Giants franchise. Both sides will use whatever tactics deemed necessary to move their agenda forward. This is the ugly side of football.</p>


</p>




Actually tenure can factor in when players are offered veteran minimum. The amount is directly related to how long they've been in the League.
</p>


True, but in this instance I'm arguing for the player's whose market value is above the minimum.</p>

It's really very simple. The organization had made Osi and offer and he can accept, reject, or counter offer. If Osi rejects the offer, then he has one more year to play on his contract. As you say, Osi can hold out all season to the tune of $30K a day. So on top of not making his salary which he agreed to play for he will, additionally, have to cough up the daily fine.

If, as has been suggested, Osi is right to do the best he can for his family, how does holding out accomplish that?

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 05:44 PM
Actually, this is a classic Machiavellian scenario.</P>


Osi is acting in the interest of Osi (trying to get as much money for himself) and JR is acting in the interests of the New York Giants (trying to get the best deal for the long and short term interests of the New York Giants).</P>


If JR offered Osi a less than appealing contract extention, then he did it in the interests of the Giants. If he believed it helped the interests of the Giants to offer more, he would have offered more.</P>


</P>


And lastly....NO ONE among the fan base knows exactly what is really going on in this situation. We only hear from people who are telling us what they want to tell us. (again...in the interests of their position) So to say that we know this or we know that is an exercise in pure folly.</P>


But since my interests match exactly with the interests of JR and the New York Giants, I side with JR.</P>

RoanokeFan
04-30-2012, 05:46 PM
Actually, this is a classic <font color="#0000FF">Machiavellian </font>scenario.</p>


Osi is acting in the interest of Osi (trying to get as much money for himself) and JR is acting in the interests of the New York Giants (trying to get the best deal for the long and short term interests of the New York Giants).</p>


If JR offered Osi a less than appealing contract extention, than he did it in the interests of the Giants. If he believed it helped the interests of the Giants to offer more, he would have offered more.</p>


</p>


And lastly....NO ONE among the fan base knows exactly what is really going on in this situation. We only hear from people who are telling us what they want to tell us. (agian...in the interests of their position) So to say that we know this or we know that is an exercise in pure folly.</p>


But since my interests match exactly with the interests of JR and the New York Giants, I side with JR.</p>

Who does Machiavellian play for? [:S]

DVision
04-30-2012, 05:49 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media.

Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension


A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers....

......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off?

And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary?

JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house.

I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either.

But this deal is definitely a two-way street.

My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this.

Wrong! At the Play 60 event Osi went on and on about his contract and how now was the time to trade him. Why is it ok for Osi to discuss his contract situation with the media and not JR?

In fact i'd argue had Osi not been trying to negotiate through the media in the first place the question would have never even been asked to JR!

Osi gave Cruz the advice not to negotiate through the media because it didn't work for him and then he continued to run his mouth.

I'm saying JR triggered this with his comments....which came just days after Osi did his best to take the high road about Kiwi's extension.

This isn't a matter of my opinion....these are direct quotes from Osi and Reese.

Osi at Play 60: <font size="4">"If they make me play out the seventh year of a seven-year deal, that's going to be rough right there,"</font> the two-time Pro Bowl selection, who had nine sacks in nine regular-season games and 3½ more in the postseason, said today at the NFL's "Play 60" event at Chelsea Waterside Park, while making an appearance for Kinect for Xbox. <font size="4">"I don't even know if that's a possibility at this point, but you can never say never. Hopefully something will be done here. If I have to come back and play (under his current deal), I really don't know how I'm going to react to that situation."</font>

Now there's a direct quote from Osi to the media at Play 60 before the draft! Now please tell me again how JR triggered this?

Your argument does sound like a matter of opinion since you refuse to even acknowledge Osi's multiple statements to the media! That was only a tiny slab of what he said. Do I need to continue?

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 05:49 PM
Actually, this is a classic <FONT color=#0000ff>Machiavellian </FONT>scenario.</P>


Osi is acting in the interest of Osi (trying to get as much money for himself) and JR is acting in the interests of the New York Giants (trying to get the best deal for the long and short term interests of the New York Giants).</P>


If JR offered Osi a less than appealing contract extention, than he did it in the interests of the Giants. If he believed it helped the interests of the Giants to offer more, he would have offered more.</P>


</P>


And lastly....NO ONE among the fan base knows exactly what is really going on in this situation. We only hear from people who are telling us what they want to tell us. (agian...in the interests of their position) So to say that we know this or we know that is an exercise in pure folly.</P>


But since my interests match exactly with the interests of JR and the New York Giants, I side with JR.</P>




Who does Machiavellian play for? [:S]
</P>


For the forces of logic.</P>

FBomb
04-30-2012, 05:54 PM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


WTF is your problem *******?How am Ibeing "sensetive" or "estrogen-filled"?Osiis completely wrong and acting like a sensetive, estrogen-filled diva because he can't get his way. </P>


Osi signed a front loaded deal that made him the highest paid player at his position at the time. I'm pretty sure he signed it willingly. Now that he got his money he's unhappy with the rest of the terms. </P>


I don't know why that's so difficult for you sensetive and estrogen filled Osi groupies tounderstand.</P>


Osi has no leverage and cannot win in this situation, so he decides to try andembarass Reese in the press He either plays out the term of his contract in such a way that he is able to get the pay day (from someone else), or he can hold out, pay huge fines and make himself not worthy. </P>


WE are Giants fans.......not Osi groupies. Go change your panties.</P>

NYGRealityCheck
04-30-2012, 05:57 PM
Whose surprised Osi brought up Kiwi's extension? Not me. 1 more year Osi!! He can do it!

He should think what would happen if he had a great season on his last contract year with the Giants repeating... He might get top dollar for the DE position for the 2013 season

RoanokeFan
04-30-2012, 05:57 PM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</p>


WTF is your problem *******?How am Ibeing "sensetive" or "estrogen-filled"?Osiis completely wrong and acting like a sensetive, estrogen-filled diva because he can't get his way. </p>


Osi signed a front loaded deal that made him the highest paid player at his position at the time. I'm pretty sure he signed it willingly. Now that he got his money he's unhappy with the rest of the terms. </p>


I don't know why that's so difficult for you sensetive and estrogen filled Osi groupies tounderstand.</p>


Osi has no leverage and cannot win in this situation, so he decides to try andembarass Reese in the press He either plays out the term of his contract in such a way that he is able to get the pay day (from someone else), or he can hold out, pay huge fines and make himself not worthy. </p>


WE are Giants fans.......not Osi groupies. Go change your panties.</p>

You have to learn to express yourself! [;)]

FBomb
04-30-2012, 06:01 PM
it has come to my conclusion that either reading comprehension lacks in new york or this country for that matter or people love to hate everything about this guy period. no gray area just black and white hatred.

in the words of Mr.Umenyiora: “I will be going completely silent after I send you this because it’s obvious, talking does nothing!”



Stay angry my friends. Exactly, I'm going to call it as I see it, some white fans just want the (so-called dumb) black athlete to shut up and play because he is "lucky" (not supremely gifted and hard-working) to be in the NFL. The rules of capitalism don't apply to him, only to fan. The Giants pass rush won us the last two super bowls, but Eli deserved that 100 million dollar contract. Why, because he is the QB. So what the Pats could not score against our defense even when Eli was going three-and-out almost every series. These folks try to mask their true feeling behind their comments about comment and loyalty, even though management can cut a player ANYTIME and contracts are not guaranteed.</P>


You're a ****ingidiot! This is easily the dumbest thing ever posted on this board. </P>

FBomb
04-30-2012, 06:02 PM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</P>


WTF is your problem *******?How am Ibeing "sensetive" or "estrogen-filled"?Osiis completely wrong and acting like a sensetive, estrogen-filled diva because he can't get his way. </P>


Osi signed a front loaded deal that made him the highest paid player at his position at the time. I'm pretty sure he signed it willingly. Now that he got his money he's unhappy with the rest of the terms. </P>


I don't know why that's so difficult for you sensetive and estrogen filled Osi groupies tounderstand.</P>


Osi has no leverage and cannot win in this situation, so he decides to try andembarass Reese in the press He either plays out the term of his contract in such a way that he is able to get the pay day (from someone else), or he can hold out, pay huge fines and make himself not worthy. </P>


WE are Giants fans.......not Osi groupies. Go change your panties.</P>




You have to learn to express yourself! [;)]
</P>


I'm just reading through some of his other pearls of wisdom on this thread. Jesus Christ what a ****ing moron!!</P>

Drez
04-30-2012, 06:05 PM
**** Osi!!! Make him play out his contract then let the diva move on. He has no choice but to play or he risks getting a contract he's happy with. Sick of his bull**** and anyone who thinks Osi is right! You are so right, cause management is correct in the way they are handling the situation. I hope all you guys who are so pro management get your wages frozen at your jobs. Jerry Reese is lying about the contract, if Osi feels his boss is lying, he can't say anything about it? Come the eff on folks, bunch of estrogen-filled males on these boards.</p>


WTF is your problem *******?How am Ibeing "sensetive" or "estrogen-filled"?Osiis completely wrong and acting like a sensetive, estrogen-filled diva because he can't get his way. </p>


Osi signed a front loaded deal that made him the highest paid player at his position at the time. I'm pretty sure he signed it willingly. Now that he got his money he's unhappy with the rest of the terms. </p>


I don't know why that's so difficult for you sensetive and estrogen filled Osi groupies tounderstand.</p>


Osi has no leverage and cannot win in this situation, so he decides to try andembarass Reese in the press He either plays out the term of his contract in such a way that he is able to get the pay day (from someone else), or he can hold out, pay huge fines and make himself not worthy. </p>


WE are Giants fans.......not Osi groupies. Go change your panties.</p>




You have to learn to express yourself! [;)]
</p>


I'm just reading through some of his other pearls of wisdom on this thread. Jesus Christ what a ****ing moron!!</p>
For real. I hope when Osi leaves this schmuck follows him.

pheonix73
04-30-2012, 06:21 PM
Osi has every right to fight for what he believes he is worth an the giants have every right to pay him what they believe he is worth. so people need to back off and let them work it out.

People are acting like it is there money they are losing or gaining....

radar-ray
04-30-2012, 06:37 PM
Osi has every right to fight for what he believes he is worth an the giants have every right to pay him what they believe he is worth. so people need to back off and let them work it out. People are acting like it is there money they are losing or gaining....This!

Harooni
04-30-2012, 06:57 PM
Osi has every right to fight for what he believes he is worth an the giants have every right to pay him what they believe he is worth. so people need to back off and let them work it out. People are acting like it is there money they are losing or gaining....This!

He has the right to decline JR's offer no doubt. but then why did he sign the offer he got 3-4 years ago? He also has no right to drag it out in front of the media and whine for the last 3 years about the contract he signed.

Roosevelt
04-30-2012, 07:12 PM
Osi has every right to fight for what he believes he is worth an the giants have every right to pay him what they believe he is worth. so people need to back off and let them work it out.

People are acting like it is there money they are losing or gaining....

Most fans don't care about how much the players make. I for one, don't want to hear about Osi's financial problems. I'll be very happy when this is over.

Harooni
04-30-2012, 07:16 PM
Lets also remember in 2010 when he gave D coaches a hard time.

fourth&forever
04-30-2012, 07:19 PM
Fake injury yet?

Hooligans
04-30-2012, 07:28 PM
Well its obvious that Osi wants out of New York as he does his best "Jeremy Shockey" routine.....time for the Giants to rid themselves of this overpaid cancer.

radar-ray
04-30-2012, 07:31 PM
Osi has every right to fight for what he believes he is worth an the giants have every right to pay him what they believe he is worth. so people need to back off and let them work it out. People are acting like it is there money they are losing or gaining....This!

He has the right to decline JR's offer no doubt. but then why did he sign the offer he got 3-4 years ago? He also has no right to drag it out in front of the media and whine for the last 3 years about the contract he signed.
Well he has the right (this is America), but it was not the intelligent way to go aboutnegotiating. That being said, Osi wears his emotions on his sleave, much like BJ, but I'm not going to hate on him for that. I continue to appreciate his contributions to the Giants on the field, and what ever way the chips fall with him and JR, so be it.

Harooni
04-30-2012, 07:32 PM
<span class="echo-item-text">he signed a 6 year $41mm extension with
$15mm guaranteed back in late 2005. At that time the guaranteed part of
the contract was the largest ever awarded to a three year veteran. The
deal was also front loaded so he got his money up front.

lets all weep for him.


we should be feeling for cruz making 400k.
</span>

radar-ray
04-30-2012, 07:37 PM
Well its obvious that Osi wants out of New York as he does his best "Jeremy Shockey" routine.....time for the Giants to rid themselves of this overpaid cancer.Yea, that was some cancer with 12.5 sacks and all the strips last year during the season, playoffs and SB. Maybe you'll be happy when he signs with deep pockets D. Snyder or J. Jones next year and comes back to B slap Eli around.

JMFP2
04-30-2012, 07:37 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media.

Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants.

http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension


A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers....

......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off?

And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary?

JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house.

I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either.

But this deal is definitely a two-way street.

My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this.

Wrong! At the Play 60 event Osi went on and on about his contract and how now was the time to trade him. Why is it ok for Osi to discuss his contract situation with the media and not JR?

In fact i'd argue had Osi not been trying to negotiate through the media in the first place the question would have never even been asked to JR!

Osi gave Cruz the advice not to negotiate through the media because it didn't work for him and then he continued to run his mouth.

I'm saying JR triggered this with his comments....which came just days after Osi did his best to take the high road about Kiwi's extension.

This isn't a matter of my opinion....these are direct quotes from Osi and Reese.

Osi at Play 60:* <font size="4">"If they make me play out the seventh year of a seven-year deal, that's going to be rough right there,"</font> the two-time Pro Bowl selection, who had nine sacks in nine regular-season games and 3½ more in the postseason, said today at the NFL's "Play 60" event at Chelsea Waterside Park, while making an appearance for Kinect for Xbox. <font size="4">"I don't even know if that's a possibility at this point, but you can never say never. Hopefully something will be done here. If I have to come back and play (under his current deal), I really don't know how I'm going to react to that situation."</font>

Now there's a direct quote from Osi to the media at Play 60 before the draft!* Now please tell me again how JR triggered this?

Your argument does sound like a matter of opinion since you refuse to even acknowledge Osi's multiple statements to the media!* That was only a tiny slab of what he said.* Do I need to continue?


I'm not refusing to acknowledge anything....go back and look through my posts....I've made it pretty clear that I don't agree with Osi's past comments.

What I'm talking about is that Osi was cool with Kiwi's extension, and reacted in a professional manner. I posted his quotes and the link.

Then, Reese made comments about Osi rejecting contract offers, and this was followed by the latest Osi tirade.

Again, not sure why this has to be a day/night thing with Osi and Reese. I'm not picking sides here.

Like I said in my first comments, I think this is a two way street.

radar-ray
04-30-2012, 07:41 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media. Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers.... ......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off? And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary? JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house. I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either. But this deal is definitely a two-way street. My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this. Wrong! At the Play 60 event Osi went on and on about his contract and how now was the time to trade him. Why is it ok for Osi to discuss his contract situation with the media and not JR? In fact i'd argue had Osi not been trying to negotiate through the media in the first place the question would have never even been asked to JR! Osi gave Cruz the advice not to negotiate through the media because it didn't work for him and then he continued to run his mouth. I'm saying JR triggered this with his comments....which came just days after Osi did his best to take the high road about Kiwi's extension. This isn't a matter of my opinion....these are direct quotes from Osi and Reese.

Osi at Play 60: <FONT size=4>"If they make me play out the seventh year of a seven-year deal, that's going to be rough right there,"</FONT> the two-time Pro Bowl selection, who had nine sacks in nine regular-season games and 3½ more in the postseason, said today at the NFL's "Play 60" event at Chelsea Waterside Park, while making an appearance for Kinect for Xbox. <FONT size=4>"I don't even know if that's a possibility at this point, but you can never say never. Hopefully something will be done here. If I have to come back and play (under his current deal), I really don't know how I'm going to react to that situation."</FONT>

Now there's a direct quote from Osi to the media at Play 60 before the draft! Now please tell me again how JR triggered this?

Your argument does sound like a matter of opinion since you refuse to even acknowledge Osi's multiple statements to the media! That was only a tiny slab of what he said. Do I need to continue?
I'm not refusing to acknowledge anything....go back and look through my posts....I've made it pretty clear that I don't agree with Osi's past comments. What I'm talking about is that Osi was cool with Kiwi's extension, and reacted in a professional manner. I posted his quotes and the link. Then, Reese made comments about Osi rejecting contract offers, and this was followed by the latest Osi tirade.This. ThoughI don't agree with how Osi has handled past negotiation, JR started this last fiasco.

Harooni
04-30-2012, 07:43 PM
JR certainly did not start this. how absurd. Osi made obvious hints at his displeasure and told the NY post he thought the extension offers where laughable.

JMFP2
04-30-2012, 07:43 PM
Prior to JR making his comments about trying twice to extend his contract, Osi was taking the high road with the media. Just a few days ago, Osi remarked that the Kiwi extension "made great business sense" for the Giants. http://espn.go.com/blog/new-york/giants/post/_/id/13831/osi-cool-with-kiwanuka-extension A couple days later, JR goes to the press about Osi rejecting 2 contract extension offers.... ......and people are suprised Osi is pissed off? And remember what JR had to say about Luke Petitgout?.....was that necessary? JR has alot of talent, but tact isn't one of them. There was no reason for Reese to take Osi's contract talks outside the house. I'm not excusing Osi, he's been around the league long enough to know what he said isn't constructive either. But this deal is definitely a two-way street. My guess is that Mara and Tisch are not pleased by any of this. Wrong! At the Play 60 event Osi went on and on about his contract and how now was the time to trade him. Why is it ok for Osi to discuss his contract situation with the media and not JR? In fact i'd argue had Osi not been trying to negotiate through the media in the first place the question would have never even been asked to JR! Osi gave Cruz the advice not to negotiate through the media because it didn't work for him and then he continued to run his mouth. I'm saying JR triggered this with his comments....which came just days after Osi did his best to take the high road about Kiwi's extension. This isn't a matter of my opinion....these are direct quotes from Osi and Reese.

Osi at Play 60:* <FONT size=4>"If they make me play out the seventh year of a seven-year deal, that's going to be rough right there,"</FONT> the two-time Pro Bowl selection, who had nine sacks in nine regular-season games and 3½ more in the postseason, said today at the NFL's "Play 60" event at Chelsea Waterside Park, while making an appearance for Kinect for Xbox. <FONT size=4>"I don't even know if that's a possibility at this point, but you can never say never. Hopefully something will be done here. If I have to come back and play (under his current deal), I really don't know how I'm going to react to that situation."</FONT>

Now there's a direct quote from Osi to the media at Play 60 before the draft!* Now please tell me again how JR triggered this?

Your argument does sound like a matter of opinion since you refuse to even acknowledge Osi's multiple statements to the media!* That was only a tiny slab of what he said.* Do I need to continue?
I'm not refusing to acknowledge anything....go back and look through my posts....I've made it pretty clear that I don't agree with Osi's past comments. What I'm talking about is that Osi was cool with Kiwi's extension, and reacted in a professional manner. I posted his quotes and the link. Then, Reese made comments about Osi rejecting contract offers, and this was followed by the latest Osi tirade.This. Though*I don't agree with how Osi has handled past negotiation, *JR started this last fiasco.

Exactly.

Let's remember: Osi's job is to sack ****ing QBs.....he's been pretty damn good at that throughout his career. I'd hope that he'd also represent himself with a little more maturity, but that's not why he's on the team.

Reese's job is to give Coughlin the most competitive team he possibly can. That includes re-signing veterans, if they fit the cap, or else working on trades to get some sort of value.

The current situation with Osi has taken a negative turn, and Reese's comments to the media about Osi rejecting offers were:

1) Not needed.
2) Not constructive.

Harooni
04-30-2012, 07:52 PM
quote user="JMFP2"


Exactly.
Listen hear Lloyd and Harry.

"Over the last couple of years I always came back and I’ve always done the right thing for the Giants," Umenyiora said, via the Daily News (http://www.sulia.com/channel/new-york-giants/f/a46aa84f-583f-432f-bfac-4be8e3bf9668/?source=twitter). "At some point you have to do the right thing for yourself."

"Next year, if I leave [after this contract is up], they won't get
anything," Umenyiora said. "Maybe they will get a compensatory pick.
But that's it. So if they are going to do it, now would be the best
time to [make a trade]."

"Do I suck it up and come back and put my tail between legs like I've
always done for these last couple of years?" Umenyiora said. "Do I do
that again this year? Or do I go out there and try to do what's best
for me one time?"

before JR told the media about the contract extensions Osi rejected.

radar-ray
04-30-2012, 07:57 PM
JR certainly did not start this. how absurd. Osi made obvious hints at his displeasure and told the NY post he thought the extension offers where laughable.
After JR said to the mediahe offered him an extension last year as well as this year, which it appears he did not. Incentives are not contract extensions.

Harooni
04-30-2012, 08:00 PM
JR certainly did not start this. how absurd. Osi made obvious hints at his displeasure and told the NY post he thought the extension offers where laughable.
After JR said to the mediahe offered him an extension last year as well as this year, which it appears he did not. Incentives are not contract extensions.

Why would JR lie??? Osi came out and clearly said the extension offers where laughable, which proves JR did in fact offer extensions . And JR telling everyone is the right move becuase you have a player basically acting like the giants have not tried to extend him.

Harooni
04-30-2012, 08:02 PM
Here is a link LINK (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7872684/osi-umenyiora-scoffs-new-york-giants-contract-offers) osi was in fact offered extension.

radar-ray
04-30-2012, 08:05 PM
JR certainly did not start this. how absurd. Osi made obvious hints at his displeasure and told the NY post he thought the extension offers where laughable.
After JR said to the mediahe offered him an extension last year as well as this year, which it appears he did not. Incentives are not contract extensions.

Why would JR lie??? Osi came out and clearly said the extension offers where laughable, which proves JR did in fact offer extensions . And JR telling everyone is the right move becuase you have a player basically acting like the giants have not tried to extend him.
Not saying he lied intentionally, but miss spoke regarding last year. Anyway it's out of hand.

JMFP2
04-30-2012, 08:06 PM
quote user="JMFP2"


Exactly.
Listen hear Lloyd and Harry.

"Over the last couple of years I always came back and I’ve always done the right thing for the Giants," Umenyiora said, via the Daily News (http://www.sulia.com/channel/new-york-giants/f/a46aa84f-583f-432f-bfac-4be8e3bf9668/?source=twitter). "At some point you have to do the right thing for yourself."

"Next year, if I leave [after this contract is up], they won't get
anything," Umenyiora said. "Maybe they will get a compensatory pick.
But that's it. So if they are going to do it, now would be the best
time to [make a trade]."

"Do I suck it up and come back and put my tail between legs like I've
always done for these last couple of years?" Umenyiora said. "Do I do
that again this year? Or do I go out there and try to do what's best
for me one time?"

before JR told the media about the contract extensions Osi rejected.*




Just checking out Ralph V's blog....
http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/giants


Osi is an All-Pro Defensive End that is looking for an extension.

He is a 2 Time Super Bowl Champion.

He's a very big reason the Giants shocked the Patriots in SB42, and was also a big part of the Giants pass rush this season.

Hmmm.....let me put on my GM cap and figure out a way to make this work....

Oh, hey, I've got a great idea, check this out.....

First, I'll give Kiwi a contract extension.

Then, after Osi congratulates Kiwi, I'll tell the Daily News that Osi has been offered 2 extensions and stiffed the Giants twice.

That should really put Osi in a great frame of mind......because we know Osi isn't a hot head.

Harooni
04-30-2012, 08:08 PM
JR certainly did not start this. how absurd. Osi made obvious hints at his displeasure and told the NY post he thought the extension offers where laughable.
After JR said to the mediahe offered him an extension last year as well as this year, which it appears he did not. Incentives are not contract extensions.

Why would JR lie??? Osi came out and clearly said the extension offers where laughable, which proves JR did in fact offer extensions . And JR telling everyone is the right move becuase you have a player basically acting like the giants have not tried to extend him.
Not saying he lied intentionally, but miss spoke regarding last year. Anyway it's out of hand.

i see what you are saying about last year with incentive offers. yes it is out of hand. there was a thread about how osi was going to play and not give any problems like cruz, and i just loled.

radar-ray
04-30-2012, 08:10 PM
Here is a link LINK (http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7872684/osi-umenyiora-scoffs-new-york-giants-contract-offers) osi was in fact offered extension.
Yea he was offered incentives last year not an extension. He was offered an extension this yearthat he doesn't like. That's what it says.

nhpgiantsfan
04-30-2012, 08:13 PM
I don't care if they give him a deal or make him play out his current deal, as long as he is here. These April media wars are just both sides posturing. It means nothing and it is not a distraction on the team. He may hold out a week or so in camp. Big deal. He knows he has to play and play big if he expects to get a good contract from someone next year. The draft is over, there is nothing left to trade him for. Let them argue in the media all they want. He will be ready to go come September because he knows it will cost him too much if he's not. I look forward to having Osi play his hardest next year trying to earn one last big contract from a team.

JMFP2
04-30-2012, 08:16 PM
We're not talking about a scrub.....we are talking about a guy who, for years, has produced on the field.

How about both sides keep this **** in house?

Firenugget
04-30-2012, 08:44 PM
“Last year I was offered incentives. This year they offered me in guaranteed money, HALF of what they just gave Kiwi guaranteed. HALF,” Umenyiora wrote. “I’m not making that up.

Come on Mara family step up to the plate &amp; pay the man at least what you're paying KIWI. Good grief let him retire as a NYG. He helped get 2 big trophey's &amp; rings for ya right?

Show him the respect he deserves for goodness sakes.

Respect? What does respect have to do with business? They gave the man 41mil and 3 years before that front loaded contract is up he's crying about more money because the Panthers overpaid. Osi is a good player and probably a good person but guess what, he's not the centerpiece of this franchise. He can be replaced and if this nonsense continues, hopefully he is.

When is the last time a player "purposely" aired the business side of their contracts 2-3 years running in the media? I can't remember a single one.

bigblue5611
04-30-2012, 09:02 PM
Great player

But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...


That's both true and not true.




They can, but I'd be worried about the DEs that we have left.

Not that I don't think Tuck and JPP are amazing, because they are. But we'd be one injury away from a weak rotation, and even if we move Kiwi back, it would still be a little worrying for me.

It was actually why I was surprised they didn't draft one. Who takes over for Tolly?

it is kinda curious they didnt get a DE in draft....at least someone targeted as tolly's replacement, if not osi's...

Morehead State
04-30-2012, 09:05 PM
Great player But I'm tired. I wish they would have traded him

It's never too late...
That's both true and not true. They can, but I'd be worried about the DEs that we have left. Not that I don't think Tuck and JPP are amazing, because they are. But we'd be one injury away from a weak rotation, and even if we move Kiwi back, it would still be a little worrying for me. It was actually why I was surprised they didn't draft one. Who takes over for Tolly? it is kinda curious they didnt get a DE in draft....at least someone targeted as tolly's replacement, if not osi's...</P>


I think the Giants envision Kiwi back at DE. At least part time.</P>

Hooligans
04-30-2012, 09:10 PM
We're not talking about a scrub.....we are talking about a guy who, for years, has produced on the field.

How about both sides keep this **** in house?

Screw'em...Osi is now officially a cancer and must be dealt.

DragonSoul
04-30-2012, 09:13 PM
And so it begins.*
not surprising. Not liking the situation. Osi earned/deserves a fair price, but I understand the management side of it based on contract, age, money and current cap issues..

RoanokeFan
04-30-2012, 09:32 PM
And so it begins.
not surprising. Not liking the situation. Osi earned/deserves a fair price, but I understand the management side of it based on contract, age, money and current cap issues..

What's a fair price? What is Osi countering with? What leverage does Osi have as he's still under contract? Who here knows what the terms of the extension are?

For those who call foul on Reese for making a public comment, we would not know Osi had been offered an extension if all we heard/read was what Osi has to say.

This won't end well, no matter who you favor.

DragonSoul
04-30-2012, 09:42 PM
And so it begins.*
not surprising. Not liking the situation. Osi earned/deserves a fair price, but I understand the management side of it based on contract, age, money and current cap issues..

What's a fair price?* What is Osi countering with?* What leverage does Osi have as he's still under contract?* Who here knows what the terms of the extension are?

For those who call foul on Reese for making a public comment, we would not know Osi had been offered an extension if all we heard/read was what Osi has to say.

This won't end well, no matter who you favor.


I favor the team. And more then likey it won't end well which is sad to a degree.

I am not picking sides as I do not know the full story, but like with Strahan, Tiki, Burress and Shockey we will eventually find out who is at fault.

buddy33
04-30-2012, 09:44 PM
Osi has been crying about his contract since he signed it. Reese is going to have to answer some questions. He can't just say nothing all the time.

Who else on the team cries as much as Osi?

Drez
04-30-2012, 09:47 PM
We're not talking about a scrub.....we are talking about a guy who, for years, has produced on the field.

How about both sides keep this **** in house?
Then talk to Osi about it. He's always been the first one to make comments to the media about his contract.

DemandedAce
04-30-2012, 10:36 PM
I don't get how people on here don't understand a front loaded contract.. He got his money years ago and signed a lengthy contract, the years on his contract were not hidden to him when he signed, he knew HOW LONG he was signing for.

First he waits until the front loading runs out with two years left and starts *****ing about it while he's still a "starter", now he's in a rotation because he can't play the run most of the time to save his life, making him an automatic #3 on the team, yet he wants to ABANDON the contract he signed on for years ago, badmouth and bring bad media to our organization like a brat, talk badly about our GM, hold out last year, and DEMAND to be paid like a top 5 DE. Does he really think that there are only two guys tops in the league outside of our team better than him? Delusional thinking, stop protecting him. He made this public and deserves to be thrown under the bus again and again.

RoanokeFan
04-30-2012, 10:47 PM
Osi has been crying about his contract since he signed it. Reese is going to have to answer some questions. He can't just say nothing all the time.

Who else on the team cries as much as Osi?

Joe Skiba - grass stains are a *****!

JMFP2
05-01-2012, 12:55 AM
We're not talking about a scrub.....we are talking about a guy who, for years, has produced on the field. How about both sides keep this **** in house?
Then talk to Osi about it. He's always been the first one to make comments to the media about his contract.
</P>


Normally, that's true. </P>


But there was no needfor JR to make comments in the papersabout Osi rejecting contract extensions. </P>


Also...I did talk to Osi, and he said, "Tell Drez thatJMFP2 is totally right about Marc Ross."</P>

NJGIANTinNC
05-01-2012, 01:02 AM
Someone is not telling the truth. I have to hope it is OSI
+ both sides being taken out of context by the "media"

Kiwi is barely worth half of what OSI is. IMO
and OSI is worth half of what he thinks he is. Fact

they should call it even!

GreenZone
05-01-2012, 01:14 AM
I don't get how people on here don't understand a front loaded contract.. He got his money years ago and signed a lengthy contract, the years on his contract were not hidden to him when he signed, he knew HOW LONG he was signing for.

First he waits until the front loading runs out with two years left and starts *****ing about it while he's still a "starter", now he's in a rotation because he can't play the run most of the time to save his life, making him an automatic #3 on the team, yet he wants to ABANDON the contract he signed on for years ago, badmouth and bring bad media to our organization like a brat, talk badly about our GM, hold out last year, and DEMAND to be paid like a top 5 DE. Does he really think that there are only two guys tops in the league outside of our team better than him? Delusional thinking, stop protecting him. He made this public and deserves to be thrown under the bus again and again.

I don't get how you think you know everything there is to know about the inner dealings to come to such a conclusion in your last sentence. There, you lost me and turned your logical argument into a personal vendetta. That's bizarre, but then again, this is your internet intellect at work.

B&RWarrior
05-01-2012, 01:18 AM
It's really very simple.* The organization had made Osi and offer and he can accept, reject, or counter offer.** If Osi rejects the offer, then he has one more year to play on his contract.* As you say, Osi can hold out all season to the tune of $30K a day.* So on top of not making his salary which he agreed to play for he will, additionally, have to cough up the daily fine.

If, as has been suggested, Osi is right to do the best he can for his family, how does holding out accomplish that?



I would hold out on principle if I were Osi, rather than playing for less than what I'm worth, especially since I gave my all fore 9 years. His current contract should give him and his family that kind of financial flexibility. The same way Vincent Jackson held out. The same way Carson Palmer walked away from Cincy. You can't allows these teams to bully you as a player.

So if you put two sub-par offers on the table after all Osi's done over 9 years to help the Giants when 2 SBs and many games, and on top of that you offer a less accomplished player a better contract then Osi doesn't owe the team anything.

As a fan I think JR is doing the right thing by the team. As a man I can see how Osi feels slighted by mediocre extension offers when he's been a Rock Star pass rusher.

JMFP2
05-01-2012, 01:58 AM
It's really very simple. The organization had made Osi and offer and he can accept, reject, or counter offer. If Osi rejects the offer, then he has one more year to play on his contract. As you say, Osi can hold out all season to the tune of $30K a day. So on top of not making his salary which he agreed to play for he will, additionally, have to cough up the daily fine.

If, as has been suggested, Osi is right to do the best he can for his family, how does holding out accomplish that?

I would hold out on principle if I were Osi, rather than playing for less than what I'm worth, especially since I gave my all fore 9 years. His current contract should give him and his family that kind of financial flexibility. The same way Vincent Jackson held out. The same way Carson Palmer walked away from Cincy. You can't allows these teams to bully you as a player. So if you put two sub-par offers on the table after all Osi's done over 9 years to help the Giants when 2 SBs and many games, and on top of that you offer a less accomplished player a better contract then Osi doesn't owe the team anything. As a fan I think JR is doing the right thing by the team. As a man I can see how Osi feels slighted by mediocre extension offers when he's been a Rock Star pass rusher.</P>


Very well-put.</P>


And lest we forget, there's no Dave Tollefson around any more for depth. Osi is worth the aggravation.</P>

ashleymarie
05-01-2012, 02:33 AM
It's really very simple. The organization had made Osi and offer and he can accept, reject, or counter offer. If Osi rejects the offer, then he has one more year to play on his contract. As you say, Osi can hold out all season to the tune of $30K a day. So on top of not making his salary which he agreed to play for he will, additionally, have to cough up the daily fine.

If, as has been suggested, Osi is right to do the best he can for his family, how does holding out accomplish that?

I would hold out on principle if I were Osi, rather than playing for less than what I'm worth, especially since I gave my all fore 9 years. His current contract should give him and his family that kind of financial flexibility. The same way Vincent Jackson held out. The same way Carson Palmer walked away from Cincy. You can't allows these teams to bully you as a player. So if you put two sub-par offers on the table after all Osi's done over 9 years to help the Giants when 2 SBs and many games, and on top of that you offer a less accomplished player a better contract then Osi doesn't owe the team anything. As a fan I think JR is doing the right thing by the team. As a man I can see how Osi feels slighted by mediocre extension offers when he's been a Rock Star pass rusher.</P>


Very well-put.</P>


And lest we forget, there's no Dave Tollefson around any more for depth. Osi is worth the aggravation.</P>


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Harooni
05-01-2012, 02:59 AM
oh give me a break already. in 2005 he got a 42mil deal. and yes he will see most of that $, it was front loaded. He is also the prince of zamunda. His family is hardly starving and in need of a financial boost.

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DVision
05-01-2012, 03:01 AM
It's really very simple.* The organization had made Osi and offer and he can accept, reject, or counter offer.** If Osi rejects the offer, then he has one more year to play on his contract.* As you say, Osi can hold out all season to the tune of $30K a day.* So on top of not making his salary which he agreed to play for he will, additionally, have to cough up the daily fine.

If, as has been suggested, Osi is right to do the best he can for his family, how does holding out accomplish that?



I would hold out on principle if I were Osi, rather than playing for less than what I'm worth, especially since I gave my all fore 9 years. His current contract should give him and his family that kind of financial flexibility. The same way Vincent Jackson held out. The same way Carson Palmer walked away from Cincy. You can't allows these teams to bully you as a player.

So if you put two sub-par offers on the table after all Osi's done over 9 years to help the Giants when 2 SBs and many games, and on top of that you offer a less accomplished player a better contract then Osi doesn't owe the team anything.

As a fan I think JR is doing the right thing by the team. As a man I can see how Osi feels slighted by mediocre extension offers when he's been a Rock Star pass rusher.

Funny you say that because Osi also went on in the media prior to Reese's statement that he was more than just a pass rusher and that the Giants have somehow conspired against him to make it appear as if he can't play the run, etc....

More nonsense that he was spewing to anyone that would listen. The Play 60 event was about XBox Kinect and kids and he held a press conference on himself and how the FO should make moves involving trading him, using him as a situational player, etc.... Reese makes one statement and Osi goes off in the media AGAIN!

Kiwi may well be a less accomplished player, but definitely more of a team player. Doing whatever is asked of him without complaint for the betterment of the team and not his own personal ego and pockets! He was rightfully rewarded for it. Who knows what Kiwi's sack numbers would look like if he strictly focused on DE his entire career.

Your right JR is looking out for the team, he works for the Giants not Osi. If Osi should be mad at anybody it should be the guy that he himself hired and got him a 7 year contract structured the way his is and at himself for signing it!

Osi can hold out on principal, but he'd only be hurting himself. His stock and his pockets. No one is gonna give him a large long term deal next season if he doesn't play. Palmer is a QB. They tend to have longer careers than DE's. Not to mention Palmer said he was set financially and didn't need the game which doesn't sound like Osi's case.

Jackson got a deal because he came back and had another 1,000+ yard season the season after he held out. Osi doesn't have that luxury. He would be a FA coming of a season in which he didn't play and is now a year older.

OX1
05-01-2012, 07:58 AM
BUT COME ON NOW you offer Osi 1/2 of what you offer Kiwi are freaking kidding me. Well no he is not kidding me he is kidding Osi. Bottom line Osi is under contract for one more year and he will play it out if he wants to get paid anything decent at the end of it from anybody else. Because if he screws around the contract will shrink real fast for him.</P>


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Osi got 41 million for 6 years (and that was in 5 years ago money), Kiwi just got 21 milion for 3 years. How is that half, looks almost the same to me. Average compensation per year seems close to me, just Osi got (and maybe spent) all his money up front. </P>


I'm not sure if I'm reading this correctly (the 41mil Osi's contract is the past now)... We are talking about current contracts. Kiwi just got 21 mil for 3 years with something like 8-8.5 mil bonus up front. Reese supposedly offered to extend Osi's contract just recently at 1/2 of what Kiwi got. So no wonder Osi is pissed. I can't blame Osi for being pissed I would be pissed too. Is Kiwi twice the player Osi is? But at this point it doesn't really matter. Osi has 1 year left on his contract and if he wants to get another contract from another team he will have to play. Make him play out the last year and goodbye. Enough is enough already.</P>


This year, with Osi's current 5 year old contract, he is getting what Kiwi just signed up for (again, on average per year based on current contracts). </P>


As for his value vs Kiwi. How much should you get to play MAYBE one out of every 3 snaps all year. </P>


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Morehead State
05-01-2012, 09:05 AM
It's really very simple. The organization had made Osi and offer and he can accept, reject, or counter offer. If Osi rejects the offer, then he has one more year to play on his contract. As you say, Osi can hold out all season to the tune of $30K a day. So on top of not making his salary which he agreed to play for he will, additionally, have to cough up the daily fine.

If, as has been suggested, Osi is right to do the best he can for his family, how does holding out accomplish that?

I would hold out on principle if I were Osi, rather than playing for less than what I'm worth, especially since I gave my all fore 9 years. His current contract should give him and his family that kind of financial flexibility. The same way Vincent Jackson held out. The same way Carson Palmer walked away from Cincy. You can't allows these teams to bully you as a player. So if you put two sub-par offers on the table after all Osi's done over 9 years to help the Giants when 2 SBs and many games, and on top of that you offer a less accomplished player a better contract then Osi doesn't owe the team anything. As a fan I think JR is doing the right thing by the team. As a man I can see how Osi feels slighted by mediocre extension offers when he's been a Rock Star pass rusher.</P>


Contract extentions are not about what you did in the past. He was already paid for what he did in the past, and quite well. Probably more than any DE during that time. Including getting paid a pile of cash in 2008 where he didn't play a down. Contract extensions are about what the team believes your contribution will be in the future. </P>


The FO has a view of that based on what they know about Osi and what they know about the other players on this team. They are acting in the interests of the Giants, therefore they are acting in our interests.</P>


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RoanokeFan
05-01-2012, 09:45 AM
It's really very simple. The organization had made Osi and offer and he can accept, reject, or counter offer. If Osi rejects the offer, then he has one more year to play on his contract. As you say, Osi can hold out all season to the tune of $30K a day. So on top of not making his salary which he agreed to play for he will, additionally, have to cough up the daily fine.

If, as has been suggested, Osi is right to do the best he can for his family, how does holding out accomplish that?


<font color="#0000FF">
I would hold out on principle if I were Osi</font>, rather than playing for less than what I'm worth, especially since I gave my all fore 9 years. His current contract should give him and his family that kind of financial flexibility. The same way Vincent Jackson held out. The same way Carson Palmer walked away from Cincy. You can't allows these teams to bully you as a player.

So if you put two sub-par offers on the table after all Osi's done over 9 years to help the Giants when 2 SBs and many games, and on top of that you offer a less accomplished player a better contract then Osi doesn't owe the team anything.

As a fan I think JR is doing the right thing by the team. As a man I can see how Osi feels slighted by mediocre extension offers when he's been a Rock Star pass rusher.

Help me out here, exactly what principle would you be talking about. He took the money he got in the front loaded $41M contract HE SIGNED. Front loaded means you get most of the largese in the first few years and then things level out. The contract had a start date and an end date. The end date is a year from now.

Osi has been complaining about this contract since he signed it. He has whined about how terrible the GIANTS have been and continue to be. he has taken his plight to the press and the public and has gotten nothing for that effort other than many of us now just wish he'd go away.

The only principle involved in this entire Osi created fiasco is the principle that grown men of good faith honor the contracts into which they enter. Osi doesn't want to play by the rules unless he makes the rules to be followed.

Hundreds of players go through this process every year and very few of them are handled in the press except when the announcement is made that a deal is done. Examples os such players are Kiwanuka and Cruz. Two players who are at different points along the salary continuum but who nonetheless manage to play football while those entrusted with representing them, represent them.

Osi has brought all of this negativity to bear. His supporters suggest it's not a distraction. Others suggest he's putting himself before the team by publicly airing his dirty laundry. Whichever position you take, it's a situation that sucks.

Osi needs to shut up and play or hold out. His choice. For those you hoping he holds out to prove a point you may want to solve the cash flow issues that will cause him and the family you say he's "only trying to support." He can't have it both ways.

embeshAtYa
05-01-2012, 09:48 AM
amen

Morehead State
05-01-2012, 09:53 AM
It's really very simple. The organization had made Osi and offer and he can accept, reject, or counter offer. If Osi rejects the offer, then he has one more year to play on his contract. As you say, Osi can hold out all season to the tune of $30K a day. So on top of not making his salary which he agreed to play for he will, additionally, have to cough up the daily fine.

If, as has been suggested, Osi is right to do the best he can for his family, how does holding out accomplish that?

<FONT color=#0000ff>I would hold out on principle if I were Osi</FONT>, rather than playing for less than what I'm worth, especially since I gave my all fore 9 years. His current contract should give him and his family that kind of financial flexibility. The same way Vincent Jackson held out. The same way Carson Palmer walked away from Cincy. You can't allows these teams to bully you as a player. So if you put two sub-par offers on the table after all Osi's done over 9 years to help the Giants when 2 SBs and many games, and on top of that you offer a less accomplished player a better contract then Osi doesn't owe the team anything. As a fan I think JR is doing the right thing by the team. As a man I can see how Osi feels slighted by mediocre extension offers when he's been a Rock Star pass rusher.

Help me out here, exactly what principle would you be talking about. He took the money he got in the front loaded $41M contract HE SIGNED. Front loaded means you get most of the largese in the first few years and then things level out. The contract had a start date and an end date. The end date is a year from now.

Osi has been complaining about this contract since he signed it. He has whined about how terrible the GIANTS have been and continue to be. he has taken his plight to the press and the public and has gotten nothing for that effort other than many of us now just wish he'd go away.

The only principle involved in this entire Osi created fiasco is the principle that grown men of good faith honor the contracts into which they enter. Osi doesn't want to play by the rules unless he makes the rules to be followed.

Hundreds of players go through this process every year and very few of them are handled in the press except when the announcement is made that a deal is done. Examples os such players are Kiwanuka and Cruz. Two players who are at different points along the salary continuum but who nonetheless manage to play football while those entrusted with representing them, represent them.

Osi has brought all of this negativity to bear. His supporters suggest it's not a distraction. Others suggest he's putting himself before the team by publicly airing his dirty laundry. Whichever position you take, it's a situation that sucks.

Osi needs to shut up and play or hold out. His choice. For those you hoping he holds out to prove a point you may want to solve the cash flow issues that will cause him and the family you say he's "only trying to support." He can't have it both ways.
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It just shocks me that a few posters are actually pointing out the minutia of JR stating the truth, (that Osi was offered extensions) and suggesting that this is some kind of inappropriate use of the media.</P>


Osi accused JR of being a liar during the lock out. He then continued his whining and complaining when he finally reported (with an undisclosed knee injury). And has continued his public war on JR since.</P>


So now JR goes out and answers a question with a true and benign comment and its THIS that a few kooky posters point out.</P>


There is nothing in this world that makes otherwise smart people more stupid, more quickly, than a blinding agenda.</P>

Mod_C
05-01-2012, 10:10 AM
It's really very simple. The organization had made Osi and offer and he can accept, reject, or counter offer. If Osi rejects the offer, then he has one more year to play on his contract. As you say, Osi can hold out all season to the tune of $30K a day. So on top of not making his salary which he agreed to play for he will, additionally, have to cough up the daily fine.

If, as has been suggested, Osi is right to do the best he can for his family, how does holding out accomplish that?

<font color="#0000ff">I would hold out on principle if I were Osi</font>, rather than playing for less than what I'm worth, especially since I gave my all fore 9 years. His current contract should give him and his family that kind of financial flexibility. The same way Vincent Jackson held out. The same way Carson Palmer walked away from Cincy. You can't allows these teams to bully you as a player. So if you put two sub-par offers on the table after all Osi's done over 9 years to help the Giants when 2 SBs and many games, and on top of that you offer a less accomplished player a better contract then Osi doesn't owe the team anything. As a fan I think JR is doing the right thing by the team. As a man I can see how Osi feels slighted by mediocre extension offers when he's been a Rock Star pass rusher.

Help me out here, exactly what principle would you be talking about. He took the money he got in the front loaded $41M contract HE SIGNED. Front loaded means you get most of the largese in the first few years and then things level out. The contract had a start date and an end date. The end date is a year from now.

Osi has been complaining about this contract since he signed it. He has whined about how terrible the GIANTS have been and continue to be. he has taken his plight to the press and the public and has gotten nothing for that effort other than many of us now just wish he'd go away.

The only principle involved in this entire Osi created fiasco is the principle that grown men of good faith honor the contracts into which they enter. Osi doesn't want to play by the rules unless he makes the rules to be followed.

Hundreds of players go through this process every year and very few of them are handled in the press except when the announcement is made that a deal is done. Examples os such players are Kiwanuka and Cruz. Two players who are at different points along the salary continuum but who nonetheless manage to play football while those entrusted with representing them, represent them.

Osi has brought all of this negativity to bear. His supporters suggest it's not a distraction. Others suggest he's putting himself before the team by publicly airing his dirty laundry. Whichever position you take, it's a situation that sucks.

Osi needs to shut up and play or hold out. His choice. For those you hoping he holds out to prove a point you may want to solve the cash flow issues that will cause him and the family you say he's "only trying to support." He can't have it both ways.
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It just shocks me that a few posters are actually pointing out the minutia of JR stating the truth, (that Osi was offered extensions) and suggesting that this is some kind of inappropriate use of the media.</p>


Osi accused JR of being a liar during the lock out. He then continued his whining and complaining when he finally reported (with an undisclosed knee injury). And has continued his public war on JR since.</p>


So now JR goes out and answers a question with a true and benign comment and its THIS that a few kooky posters point out.</p>


There is nothing in this world that makes otherwise smart people more stupid, more quickly, than a blinding agenda.</p>

There are team homers and there are player homers. Team homers tend to be more even keeled because their homerism is not dependent on particular players, who come and go. Player homers revel in the success of their "player" and crash if/when that same player falls from that lofty pedestal or takes his talents elsewhere

giantyankee1976
05-01-2012, 10:11 AM
wow Osi is going the Shockey route.

this is looking worse and worse by the moment.

My guess is something dramatic will happen as I bet TC will not want a cancer in the locker room this season.

RoanokeFan
05-01-2012, 10:15 AM
It's really very simple. The organization had made Osi and offer and he can accept, reject, or counter offer. If Osi rejects the offer, then he has one more year to play on his contract. As you say, Osi can hold out all season to the tune of $30K a day. So on top of not making his salary which he agreed to play for he will, additionally, have to cough up the daily fine.

If, as has been suggested, Osi is right to do the best he can for his family, how does holding out accomplish that?

<font color="#0000ff">I would hold out on principle if I were Osi</font>, rather than playing for less than what I'm worth, especially since I gave my all fore 9 years. His current contract should give him and his family that kind of financial flexibility. The same way Vincent Jackson held out. The same way Carson Palmer walked away from Cincy. You can't allows these teams to bully you as a player. So if you put two sub-par offers on the table after all Osi's done over 9 years to help the Giants when 2 SBs and many games, and on top of that you offer a less accomplished player a better contract then Osi doesn't owe the team anything. As a fan I think JR is doing the right thing by the team. As a man I can see how Osi feels slighted by mediocre extension offers when he's been a Rock Star pass rusher.

Help me out here, exactly what principle would you be talking about. He took the money he got in the front loaded $41M contract HE SIGNED. Front loaded means you get most of the largese in the first few years and then things level out. The contract had a start date and an end date. The end date is a year from now.

Osi has been complaining about this contract since he signed it. He has whined about how terrible the GIANTS have been and continue to be. he has taken his plight to the press and the public and has gotten nothing for that effort other than many of us now just wish he'd go away.

The only principle involved in this entire Osi created fiasco is the principle that grown men of good faith honor the contracts into which they enter. Osi doesn't want to play by the rules unless he makes the rules to be followed.

Hundreds of players go through this process every year and very few of them are handled in the press except when the announcement is made that a deal is done. Examples os such players are Kiwanuka and Cruz. Two players who are at different points along the salary continuum but who nonetheless manage to play football while those entrusted with representing them, represent them.

Osi has brought all of this negativity to bear. His supporters suggest it's not a distraction. Others suggest he's putting himself before the team by publicly airing his dirty laundry. Whichever position you take, it's a situation that sucks.

Osi needs to shut up and play or hold out. His choice. For those you hoping he holds out to prove a point you may want to solve the cash flow issues that will cause him and the family you say he's "only trying to support." He can't have it both ways.
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It just shocks me that a few posters are actually pointing out the minutia of JR stating the truth, (that Osi was offered extensions) and suggesting that this is some kind of inappropriate use of the media.</p>


Osi accused JR of being a liar during the lock out. He then continued his whining and complaining when he finally reported (with an undisclosed knee injury). And has continued his public war on JR since.</p>


So now JR goes out and answers a question with a true and benign comment and its THIS that a few kooky posters point out.</p>


There is nothing in this world that makes otherwise smart people more stupid, more quickly, than a blinding agenda.</p>

I am guessing that's how we came to be called FANATICS [;)]

DemandedAce
05-01-2012, 01:55 PM
I don't get how people on here don't understand a front loaded contract.. He got his money years ago and signed a lengthy contract, the years on his contract were not hidden to him when he signed, he knew HOW LONG he was signing for.

First he waits until the front loading runs out with two years left and starts *****ing about it while he's still a "starter", now he's in a rotation because he can't play the run most of the time to save his life, making him an automatic #3 on the team, yet he wants to ABANDON the contract he signed on for years ago, badmouth and bring bad media to our organization like a brat, talk badly about our GM, hold out last year, and DEMAND to be paid like a top 5 DE. Does he really think that there are only two guys tops in the league outside of our team better than him? Delusional thinking, stop protecting him. He made this public and deserves to be thrown under the bus again and again.

I don't get how you think you know everything there is to know about the inner dealings to come to such a conclusion in your last sentence. There, you lost me and turned your logical argument into a personal vendetta. That's bizarre, but then again, this is your internet intellect at work.


He made it public by going to the media? I'm confused as to how that's knowing the inner dealings when that's what this entire thread is about. You lost me on your entire post.

CLR
05-01-2012, 02:25 PM
Can't stop the run...... and can't stop running the mouth.

Tony Bruno
05-01-2012, 03:49 PM
I blame the sports world for this...No one (unless they cut the checks) inany work force has any idea what the next employee makes... Soon as the media and the agents stop making this public info... There wouldnt be as many athlete justifiying their pay on the next mans because they dont know... #endastory

B&RWarrior
05-01-2012, 05:12 PM
It's really very simple.* The organization had made Osi and offer and he can accept, reject, or counter offer.** If Osi rejects the offer, then he has one more year to play on his contract.* As you say, Osi can hold out all season to the tune of $30K a day.* So on top of not making his salary which he agreed to play for he will, additionally, have to cough up the daily fine.

If, as has been suggested, Osi is right to do the best he can for his family, how does holding out accomplish that?

<FONT color=#0000ff>I would hold out on principle if I were Osi</FONT>, rather than playing for less than what I'm worth, especially since I gave my all fore 9 years. His current contract should give him and his family that kind of financial flexibility. The same way Vincent Jackson held out. The same way Carson Palmer walked away from Cincy. You can't allows these teams to bully you as a player. So if you put two sub-par offers on the table after all Osi's done over 9 years to help the Giants when 2 SBs and many games, and on top of that you offer a less accomplished player a better contract then Osi doesn't owe the team anything. As a fan I think JR is doing the right thing by the team. As a man I can see how Osi feels slighted by mediocre extension offers when he's been a Rock Star pass rusher.

Help me out here, exactly what principle would you be talking about.* He took the money he got in the front loaded $41M contract HE SIGNED.* Front loaded means you get most of the largese in the first few years and then things level out.* The contract had a start date and an end date.* The end date is a year from now.

Osi has been complaining about this contract since he signed it.* He has whined about how terrible the GIANTS have been and continue to be.* he has taken his plight to the press and the public and has gotten nothing for that effort other than many of us now just wish he'd go away.

The only principle involved in this entire Osi created fiasco is the principle that grown men of good faith honor the contracts into which they enter.* Osi doesn't want to play by the rules unless he makes the rules to be followed.

Hundreds of players go through this process every year and very few of them are handled in the press except when the announcement is made that a deal is done.* Examples os such players are Kiwanuka and Cruz.* Two players who are at different points along the salary continuum but who nonetheless manage to play football while those entrusted with representing them, represent them.

Osi has brought all of this negativity to bear.* His supporters suggest it's not a distraction.* Others suggest he's putting himself before the team by publicly airing his dirty laundry.* Whichever position you take, it's a situation that sucks.

Osi needs to shut up and play or hold out.* His choice.* For those you hoping he holds out to prove a point you may want to solve the cash flow issues that will cause him and the family you say he's "only trying to support."* He can't have it both ways.
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It just shocks me that a few posters are actually pointing out the minutia of JR stating the truth, (that Osi was offered extensions) and suggesting that this is some kind of inappropriate use of the media.</P>


Osi accused JR of being a liar during the lock out.* He then continued his whining and complaining when he finally reported (with an undisclosed knee injury).* And has continued his public war on JR since.</P>


So now JR goes out and answers a question with a true and benign comment and its THIS that a few kooky posters point out.</P>


There is nothing in this world that makes otherwise smart people more stupid, more quickly, than a blinding agenda.</P>

All of this you signed a contract and you must honor it talk is BULLOX! If any team feels a player is underperforming he can get cut, no matter what contract you signed. You can even play well, but If a team finds somebody that can play better you can be released. The team doesn't honor the contract regardless of how you play or what injuries you've sustained so why the heck should the player be held to such a high standard of honor.

Every play is career threatening for a player. As a player you owe it to yourself and your family to get full market value for your abilities, unless your priority is winning a championship over getting paid.

JR held out the two contract extension offers as if they were olive branches extended to Osi. A sign of the team willing to pay him what he's worth. C'mon guys, why in God's name would we pay Osi like a starter when we have to resign JPP. It's obvious from the Kiwi deal we had no intention of resigning Osi. JPP is our guy Kiwi is his back up in case of injury. He had to get paid more than a back up b/c he also plays SAM. We simply don't have the money to pay Osi and the extensions reflected this reality not what Osi is really worth.

We didn't sincerely attempt to resign him. JR's "reitre as a Giant" line was BS and he knows it. We want him to play out his contract which undervalues him as a DE compared to what other DE of his talent currently make even if you smooth the numbers to account for the front loaded contract.

Forget about front loaded or back loaded. Give me the average annual income for the life of the contract then compare that to what the top 10 DE make. I don't have to do this b/c logic tells me that market for DE's has appreciated in the past 7 years. So common sense should tell you he's playing for less than he's worth.

The Giants make business decisions all the time; letting SS walk, BJ, Boss, and MM walk as well. Why shouldn't a player also make business decisions.

If Osi has managed his money well it his perogative to say I'm worth more than your paying me and I can miss next season easy financially and find a team that's willing to pay me what I'm worth. I find no fault in anything he does. This is business.

JR is doing his job as GM but lets not pretend he is the honorable one in this battle and cry baby Osi has no honor. After 9 years of battle Osi is a Giant for life an all time GIANT, forget what these fools on this board are talking about. That is a joke.

JMFP2
05-01-2012, 05:42 PM
It's really very simple. The organization had made Osi and offer and he can accept, reject, or counter offer. If Osi rejects the offer, then he has one more year to play on his contract. As you say, Osi can hold out all season to the tune of $30K a day. So on top of not making his salary which he agreed to play for he will, additionally, have to cough up the daily fine.

If, as has been suggested, Osi is right to do the best he can for his family, how does holding out accomplish that?

<FONT color=#0000ff>I would hold out on principle if I were Osi</FONT>, rather than playing for less than what I'm worth, especially since I gave my all fore 9 years. His current contract should give him and his family that kind of financial flexibility. The same way Vincent Jackson held out. The same way Carson Palmer walked away from Cincy. You can't allows these teams to bully you as a player. So if you put two sub-par offers on the table after all Osi's done over 9 years to help the Giants when 2 SBs and many games, and on top of that you offer a less accomplished player a better contract then Osi doesn't owe the team anything. As a fan I think JR is doing the right thing by the team. As a man I can see how Osi feels slighted by mediocre extension offers when he's been a Rock Star pass rusher.

Help me out here, exactly what principle would you be talking about. He took the money he got in the front loaded $41M contract HE SIGNED. Front loaded means you get most of the largese in the first few years and then things level out. The contract had a start date and an end date. The end date is a year from now.

Osi has been complaining about this contract since he signed it. He has whined about how terrible the GIANTS have been and continue to be. he has taken his plight to the press and the public and has gotten nothing for that effort other than many of us now just wish he'd go away.

The only principle involved in this entire Osi created fiasco is the principle that grown men of good faith honor the contracts into which they enter. Osi doesn't want to play by the rules unless he makes the rules to be followed.

Hundreds of players go through this process every year and very few of them are handled in the press except when the announcement is made that a deal is done. Examples os such players are Kiwanuka and Cruz. Two players who are at different points along the salary continuum but who nonetheless manage to play football while those entrusted with representing them, represent them.

Osi has brought all of this negativity to bear. His supporters suggest it's not a distraction. Others suggest he's putting himself before the team by publicly airing his dirty laundry. Whichever position you take, it's a situation that sucks.

Osi needs to shut up and play or hold out. His choice. For those you hoping he holds out to prove a point you may want to solve the cash flow issues that will cause him and the family you say he's "only trying to support." He can't have it both ways.
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It just shocks me that a few posters are actually pointing out the minutia of JR stating the truth, (that Osi was offered extensions) and suggesting that this is some kind of inappropriate use of the media.</P>


Osi accused JR of being a liar during the lock out. He then continued his whining and complaining when he finally reported (with an undisclosed knee injury). And has continued his public war on JR since.</P>


So now JR goes out and answers a question with a true and benign comment and its THIS that a few kooky posters point out.</P>


There is nothing in this world that makes otherwise smart people more stupid, more quickly, than a blinding agenda.</P>


All of this you signed a contract and you must honor it talk is BULLOX! If any team feels a player is underperforming he can get cut, no matter what contract you signed. You can even play well, but If a team finds somebody that can play better you can be released. The team doesn't honor the contract regardless of how you play or what injuries you've sustained so why the heck should the player be held to such a high standard of honor. Every play is career threatening for a player. As a player you owe it to yourself and your family to get full market value for your abilities, unless your priority is winning a championship over getting paid. JR held out the two contract extension offers as if they were olive branches extended to Osi. A sign of the team willing to pay him what he's worth. C'mon guys, why in God's name would we pay Osi like a starter when we have to resign JPP. It's obvious from the Kiwi deal we had no intention of resigning Osi. JPP is our guy Kiwi is his back up in case of injury. He had to get paid more than a back up b/c he also plays SAM. We simply don't have the money to pay Osi and the extensions reflected this reality not what Osi is really worth. We didn't sincerely attempt to resign him. JR's "reitre as a Giant" line was BS and he knows it. We want him to play out his contract which undervalues him as a DE compared to what other DE of his talent currently make even if you smooth the numbers to account for the front loaded contract. Forget about front loaded or back loaded. Give me the average annual income for the life of the contract then compare that to what the top 10 DE make. I don't have to do this b/c logic tells me that market for DE's has appreciated in the past 7 years. So common sense should tell you he's playing for less than he's worth. The Giants make business decisions all the time; letting SS walk, BJ, Boss, and MM walk as well. Why shouldn't a player also make business decisions. If Osi has managed his money well it his perogative to say I'm worth more than your paying me and I can miss next season easy financially and find a team that's willing to pay me what I'm worth. I find no fault in anything he does. This is business. JR is doing his job as GM but lets not pretend he is the honorable one in this battle and cry baby Osi has no honor. After 9 years of battle Osi is a Giant for life an all time GIANT, forget what these fools on this board are talking about. That is a joke.</P>


Excellent points.</P>


"Disgruntled Osi" played his *** off last season....he's been a big piece of 2 Super Bowl Champions.</P>


He's got every right to speak his mind. As I've said (a million times) I wish he and Reese could keep this stuff in house. But it's laughable that people get on Osi for responding to something JR said....and it's a fact that his latest comments were a direct response to what Reese said.</P>


I'm not siding with Osi over Reese..... I'm saying I understand his side of the issue.</P>


</P>

DVision
05-01-2012, 06:16 PM
It's really very simple.* The organization had made Osi and offer and he can accept, reject, or counter offer.** If Osi rejects the offer, then he has one more year to play on his contract.* As you say, Osi can hold out all season to the tune of $30K a day.* So on top of not making his salary which he agreed to play for he will, additionally, have to cough up the daily fine.

If, as has been suggested, Osi is right to do the best he can for his family, how does holding out accomplish that?

<FONT color=#0000ff>I would hold out on principle if I were Osi</FONT>, rather than playing for less than what I'm worth, especially since I gave my all fore 9 years. His current contract should give him and his family that kind of financial flexibility. The same way Vincent Jackson held out. The same way Carson Palmer walked away from Cincy. You can't allows these teams to bully you as a player. So if you put two sub-par offers on the table after all Osi's done over 9 years to help the Giants when 2 SBs and many games, and on top of that you offer a less accomplished player a better contract then Osi doesn't owe the team anything. As a fan I think JR is doing the right thing by the team. As a man I can see how Osi feels slighted by mediocre extension offers when he's been a Rock Star pass rusher.

Help me out here, exactly what principle would you be talking about.* He took the money he got in the front loaded $41M contract HE SIGNED.* Front loaded means you get most of the largese in the first few years and then things level out.* The contract had a start date and an end date.* The end date is a year from now.

Osi has been complaining about this contract since he signed it.* He has whined about how terrible the GIANTS have been and continue to be.* he has taken his plight to the press and the public and has gotten nothing for that effort other than many of us now just wish he'd go away.

The only principle involved in this entire Osi created fiasco is the principle that grown men of good faith honor the contracts into which they enter.* Osi doesn't want to play by the rules unless he makes the rules to be followed.

Hundreds of players go through this process every year and very few of them are handled in the press except when the announcement is made that a deal is done.* Examples os such players are Kiwanuka and Cruz.* Two players who are at different points along the salary continuum but who nonetheless manage to play football while those entrusted with representing them, represent them.

Osi has brought all of this negativity to bear.* His supporters suggest it's not a distraction.* Others suggest he's putting himself before the team by publicly airing his dirty laundry.* Whichever position you take, it's a situation that sucks.

Osi needs to shut up and play or hold out.* His choice.* For those you hoping he holds out to prove a point you may want to solve the cash flow issues that will cause him and the family you say he's "only trying to support."* He can't have it both ways.
</P>


It just shocks me that a few posters are actually pointing out the minutia of JR stating the truth, (that Osi was offered extensions) and suggesting that this is some kind of inappropriate use of the media.</P>


Osi accused JR of being a liar during the lock out.* He then continued his whining and complaining when he finally reported (with an undisclosed knee injury).* And has continued his public war on JR since.</P>


So now JR goes out and answers a question with a true and benign comment and its THIS that a few kooky posters point out.</P>


There is nothing in this world that makes otherwise smart people more stupid, more quickly, than a blinding agenda.</P>


All of this you signed a contract and you must honor it talk is BULLOX! If any team feels a player is underperforming he can get cut, no matter what contract you signed. You can even play well, but If a team finds somebody that can play better you can be released. The team doesn't honor the contract regardless of how you play or what injuries you've sustained so why the heck should the player be held to such a high standard of honor. Every play is career threatening for a player. As a player you owe it to yourself and your family to get full market value for your abilities, unless your priority is winning a championship over getting paid. JR held out the two contract extension offers as if they were olive branches extended to Osi. A sign of the team willing to pay him what he's worth. C'mon guys, why in God's name would we pay Osi like a starter when we have to resign JPP. It's obvious from the Kiwi deal we had no intention of resigning Osi. JPP is our guy Kiwi is his back up in case of injury. He had to get paid more than a back up b/c he also plays SAM. We simply don't have the money to pay Osi and the extensions reflected this reality not what Osi is really worth. We didn't sincerely attempt to resign him. JR's "reitre as a Giant" line was BS and he knows it. We want him to play out his contract which undervalues him as a DE compared to what other DE of his talent currently make even if you smooth the numbers to account for the front loaded contract. Forget about front loaded or back loaded. Give me the average annual income for the life of the contract then compare that to what the top 10 DE make. I don't have to do this b/c logic tells me that market for DE's has appreciated in the past 7 years. So common sense should tell you he's playing for less than he's worth. The Giants make business decisions all the time; letting SS walk, BJ, Boss, and MM walk as well. Why shouldn't a player also make business decisions. If Osi has managed his money well it his perogative to say I'm worth more than your paying me and I can miss next season easy financially and find a team that's willing to pay me what I'm worth. I find no fault in anything he does. This is business. JR is doing his job as GM but lets not pretend he is the honorable one in this battle and cry baby Osi has no honor. After 9 years of battle Osi is a Giant for life an all time GIANT, forget what these fools on this board are talking about. That is a joke.</P>


Excellent points.</P>


"Disgruntled Osi" played his *** off last season....he's been a big piece of 2 Super Bowl Champions.</P>


He's got every right to speak his mind.* As I've said (a million times) I wish he and Reese could keep this stuff in house.* But it's laughable that people get on Osi for responding to something JR said....and it's a fact that his latest comments were a direct response to what Reese said.</P>


I'm not siding with Osi over Reese..... I'm saying I understand his side of the issue.</P>


*</P>

What is laughable is the fact that it's OK for Osi to spout his business to anyone that will listen, but people get on JR for finally responding...it's a fact that JR's only comment was a direct response to the myriad of times Osi has discussed his grievances with the media!

You can say your not siding with Osi, but your comment says otherwise.

DVision
05-01-2012, 06:22 PM
It's really very simple.* The organization had made Osi and offer and he can accept, reject, or counter offer.** If Osi rejects the offer, then he has one more year to play on his contract.* As you say, Osi can hold out all season to the tune of $30K a day.* So on top of not making his salary which he agreed to play for he will, additionally, have to cough up the daily fine.

If, as has been suggested, Osi is right to do the best he can for his family, how does holding out accomplish that?

<FONT color=#0000ff>I would hold out on principle if I were Osi</FONT>, rather than playing for less than what I'm worth, especially since I gave my all fore 9 years. His current contract should give him and his family that kind of financial flexibility. The same way Vincent Jackson held out. The same way Carson Palmer walked away from Cincy. You can't allows these teams to bully you as a player. So if you put two sub-par offers on the table after all Osi's done over 9 years to help the Giants when 2 SBs and many games, and on top of that you offer a less accomplished player a better contract then Osi doesn't owe the team anything. As a fan I think JR is doing the right thing by the team. As a man I can see how Osi feels slighted by mediocre extension offers when he's been a Rock Star pass rusher.

Help me out here, exactly what principle would you be talking about.* He took the money he got in the front loaded $41M contract HE SIGNED.* Front loaded means you get most of the largese in the first few years and then things level out.* The contract had a start date and an end date.* The end date is a year from now.

Osi has been complaining about this contract since he signed it.* He has whined about how terrible the GIANTS have been and continue to be.* he has taken his plight to the press and the public and has gotten nothing for that effort other than many of us now just wish he'd go away.

The only principle involved in this entire Osi created fiasco is the principle that grown men of good faith honor the contracts into which they enter.* Osi doesn't want to play by the rules unless he makes the rules to be followed.

Hundreds of players go through this process every year and very few of them are handled in the press except when the announcement is made that a deal is done.* Examples os such players are Kiwanuka and Cruz.* Two players who are at different points along the salary continuum but who nonetheless manage to play football while those entrusted with representing them, represent them.

Osi has brought all of this negativity to bear.* His supporters suggest it's not a distraction.* Others suggest he's putting himself before the team by publicly airing his dirty laundry.* Whichever position you take, it's a situation that sucks.

Osi needs to shut up and play or hold out.* His choice.* For those you hoping he holds out to prove a point you may want to solve the cash flow issues that will cause him and the family you say he's "only trying to support."* He can't have it both ways.
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It just shocks me that a few posters are actually pointing out the minutia of JR stating the truth, (that Osi was offered extensions) and suggesting that this is some kind of inappropriate use of the media.</P>


Osi accused JR of being a liar during the lock out.* He then continued his whining and complaining when he finally reported (with an undisclosed knee injury).* And has continued his public war on JR since.</P>


So now JR goes out and answers a question with a true and benign comment and its THIS that a few kooky posters point out.</P>


There is nothing in this world that makes otherwise smart people more stupid, more quickly, than a blinding agenda.</P>

All of this you signed a contract and you must honor it talk is BULLOX! If any team feels a player is underperforming he can get cut, no matter what contract you signed. You can even play well, but If a team finds somebody that can play better you can be released. The team doesn't honor the contract regardless of how you play or what injuries you've sustained so why the heck should the player be held to such a high standard of honor.

Every play is career threatening for a player. As a player you owe it to yourself and your family to get full market value for your abilities, unless your priority is winning a championship over getting paid.

JR held out the two contract extension offers as if they were olive branches extended to Osi. A sign of the team willing to pay him what he's worth. C'mon guys, why in God's name would we pay Osi like a starter when we have to resign JPP. It's obvious from the Kiwi deal we had no intention of resigning Osi. JPP is our guy Kiwi is his back up in case of injury. He had to get paid more than a back up b/c he also plays SAM. We simply don't have the money to pay Osi and the extensions reflected this reality not what Osi is really worth.

We didn't sincerely attempt to resign him. JR's "reitre as a Giant" line was BS and he knows it. We want him to play out his contract which undervalues him as a DE compared to what other DE of his talent currently make even if you smooth the numbers to account for the front loaded contract.

Forget about front loaded or back loaded. Give me the average annual income for the life of the contract then compare that to what the top 10 DE make. I don't have to do this b/c logic tells me that market for DE's has appreciated in the past 7 years. So common sense should tell you he's playing for less than he's worth.

The Giants make business decisions all the time; letting SS walk, BJ, Boss, and MM walk as well. Why shouldn't a player also make business decisions.

If Osi has managed his money well it his perogative to say I'm worth more than your paying me and I can miss next season easy financially and find a team that's willing to pay me what I'm worth. I find no fault in anything he does. This is business.

JR is doing his job as GM but lets not pretend he is the honorable one in this battle and cry baby Osi has no honor. After 9 years of battle Osi is a Giant for life an all time GIANT, forget what these fools on this board are talking about. That is a joke.

How will Osi sitting out a season help him get the large long term deal he's looking for next season when he will be valued as simply a pass rusher who is a year removed from football and a year older?

Again, his best bet is to enter FA having had a strong season!

B&RWarrior
05-01-2012, 06:58 PM
How will Osi sitting out a season help him get the large long term deal he's looking for next season when he will be valued as simply a pass rusher who is a year removed from football and a year older?

Again, his best bet is to enter FA having had a strong season!

A year out of football uninury related for a 9 year vet is not a bad thing.

I agree playing next year and having a strong season is the most direct route to a new big contract. This is part of the reason he got such a lo offer with the extensions. If he feels the money isn't worth the risk he can sit out. Based on his body of work he will still land a big contract, just not as big.

FBomb
05-01-2012, 07:18 PM
How will Osi sitting out a season help him get the large long term deal he's looking for next season when he will be valued as simply a pass rusher who is a year removed from football and a year older? Again, his best bet is to enter FA having had a strong season! A year out of football uninury related for a 9 year vet is not a bad thing. I agree playing next year and having a strong season is the most direct route to a new big contract. This is part of the reason he got such a lo offer with the extensions. If he feels the money isn't worth the risk he can sit out. Based on his body of work he will still land a big contract, just not as big.</P>


Wow.....the NFL may disagree that it's "not a bad thing".That's why fines were raised significantly in the last bargaining agreement.</P>


Holding out also harms your value to other teams. GM's shy away from holdouts and media divas.Standing up for your principals is one thing....losing LARGE sums of cash doing it is quite another! There is no good that can come from holding out for Osi.</P>


The rules of the contract between player and owner have been this way for years. TheGiants hold all the cards and that's just the way it is. Osi got a big payday and he should honor his current contract and STFU!! Let him play like he deserves the moneyhe thinks he's worth and EARN it!!He isn'tOWED anything.</P>

giantyankee1976
05-01-2012, 07:22 PM
How will Osi sitting out a season help him get the large long term deal he's looking for next season when he will be valued as simply a pass rusher who is a year removed from football and a year older? Again, his best bet is to enter FA having had a strong season! A year out of football uninury related for a 9 year vet is not a bad thing. I agree playing next year and having a strong season is the most direct route to a new big contract. This is part of the reason he got such a lo offer with the extensions. If he feels the money isn't worth the risk he can sit out. Based on his body of work he will still land a big contract, just not as big.</p>


Wow.....the NFL may disagree that it's "not a bad thing".That's why fines were raised significantly in the last bargaining agreement.</p>


Holding out also harms your value to other teams. GM's shy away from holdouts and media divas.Standing up for your principals is one thing....losing LARGE sums of cash doing it is quite another! There is no good that can come from holding out for Osi.</p>


The rules of the contract between player and owner have been this way for years. TheGiants hold all the cards and that's just the way it is. Osi got a big payday and he should honor his current contract and STFU!! Let him play like he deserves the moneyhe thinks he's worth and EARN it!!He isn'tOWED anything.</p>

basically. (And I am an Osi fan, but this is just a bit much)

RoanokeFan
05-01-2012, 07:28 PM
It's really very simple. The organization had made Osi and offer and he can accept, reject, or counter offer. If Osi rejects the offer, then he has one more year to play on his contract. As you say, Osi can hold out all season to the tune of $30K a day. So on top of not making his salary which he agreed to play for he will, additionally, have to cough up the daily fine.

If, as has been suggested, Osi is right to do the best he can for his family, how does holding out accomplish that?

<font color="#0000ff">I would hold out on principle if I were Osi</font>, rather than playing for less than what I'm worth, especially since I gave my all fore 9 years. His current contract should give him and his family that kind of financial flexibility. The same way Vincent Jackson held out. The same way Carson Palmer walked away from Cincy. You can't allows these teams to bully you as a player. So if you put two sub-par offers on the table after all Osi's done over 9 years to help the Giants when 2 SBs and many games, and on top of that you offer a less accomplished player a better contract then Osi doesn't owe the team anything. As a fan I think JR is doing the right thing by the team. As a man I can see how Osi feels slighted by mediocre extension offers when he's been a Rock Star pass rusher.

Help me out here, exactly what principle would you be talking about. He took the money he got in the front loaded $41M contract HE SIGNED. Front loaded means you get most of the largese in the first few years and then things level out. The contract had a start date and an end date. The end date is a year from now.

Osi has been complaining about this contract since he signed it. He has whined about how terrible the GIANTS have been and continue to be. he has taken his plight to the press and the public and has gotten nothing for that effort other than many of us now just wish he'd go away.

The only principle involved in this entire Osi created fiasco is the principle that grown men of good faith honor the contracts into which they enter. Osi doesn't want to play by the rules unless he makes the rules to be followed.

Hundreds of players go through this process every year and very few of them are handled in the press except when the announcement is made that a deal is done. Examples os such players are Kiwanuka and Cruz. Two players who are at different points along the salary continuum but who nonetheless manage to play football while those entrusted with representing them, represent them.

Osi has brought all of this negativity to bear. His supporters suggest it's not a distraction. Others suggest he's putting himself before the team by publicly airing his dirty laundry. Whichever position you take, it's a situation that sucks.

Osi needs to shut up and play or hold out. His choice. For those you hoping he holds out to prove a point you may want to solve the cash flow issues that will cause him and the family you say he's "only trying to support." He can't have it both ways.
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It just shocks me that a few posters are actually pointing out the minutia of JR stating the truth, (that Osi was offered extensions) and suggesting that this is some kind of inappropriate use of the media.</p>


Osi accused JR of being a liar during the lock out. He then continued his whining and complaining when he finally reported (with an undisclosed knee injury). And has continued his public war on JR since.</p>


So now JR goes out and answers a question with a true and benign comment and its THIS that a few kooky posters point out.</p>


There is nothing in this world that makes otherwise smart people more stupid, more quickly, than a blinding agenda.</p>

<font color="#0000FF">All of this you signed a contract and you must honor it talk is BULLOX! If any team feels a player is underperforming he can get cut, no matter what contract you signed. You can even play well, but If a team finds somebody that can play better you can be released. </font>

That's how the contracts are written. That's why agents now fight for as much guaranteed money as they can. The contract language allows for teams to cut players and, yet, players continue to sign those contracts. Please explain how teams are not honoring the contracts?

This is a "what have you done for me lately" competitive environment. I suspect Mario Manningham would still be here if Victor Cruz had not burst onto the scene. That's how it works.

B&RWarrior
05-01-2012, 08:17 PM
How will Osi sitting out a season help him get the large long term deal he's looking for next season when he will be valued as simply a pass rusher who is a year removed from football and a year older? Again, his best bet is to enter FA having had a strong season! A year out of football uninury related for a 9 year vet is not a bad thing. I agree playing next year and having a strong season is the most direct route to a new big contract. This is part of the reason he got such a lo offer with the extensions. If he feels the money isn't worth the risk he can sit out. Based on his body of work he will still land a big contract, just not as big.</P>


Wow.....the NFL may disagree that it's "not a bad thing".That's why fines were raised significantly in the last bargaining agreement.</P>


Holding out also harms your value to other teams. GM's shy away from holdouts and media divas.Standing up for your principals is one thing....losing LARGE sums of cash doing it is quite another! There is no good that can come from holding out for Osi.</P>


The rules of the contract between player and owner have been this way for years. TheGiants hold all the cards and that's just the way it is. Osi got a big payday and he should honor his current contract and STFU!! Let him play like he deserves the moneyhe thinks he's worth and EARN it!!He isn'tOWED anything.</P>




basically. (And I am an Osi fan, but this is just a bit much)
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I disagree. Vincent Jackson didn't have anyproblem finding a new team. His hold out with SD was widely publicised. If Osi get's hurt this year and has to retire then he is out of luck and for what?Less than he's worth. At 31 he is correct in placing priority on his market value. </P>


Lets say Osi plays for $5.85 million and gets hurt. He gets the money for the year and has to retire.Let's sayhe holds out all year and signs a contract with a teamthe followingyear for $10 million a year and get's hurt in thefirst year of his contract and has to retire. </P>


Present value of that 10 million is about $8.5 million. Lets say he only gets $7 mill. PV is still almost $6.5 mill. Now you have to subtract the money he could of made had he played his contract out. So the total present value of the move would be roughly +$2.67 million if he got a $10 million/ year contract and +$610K if he got a 7 million dollar contract. I'm not even factoring in the garaunteed money he will get with the new contract as a signing bonus, etc.</P>


I'd say he needs to find out what his market value is. I don't know exactly but it makes all the difference fora guy with probably 3-4 years of football left in him.</P>

B&RWarrior
05-01-2012, 08:39 PM
That's how the contracts are written. That's why agents now fight for as much guaranteed money as they can. The contract language allows for teams to cut players and, yet, players continue to sign those contracts. Please explain how teams are not honoring the contracts?

This is a "what have you done for me lately" competitive environment. I suspect Mario Manningham would still be here if Victor Cruz had not burst onto the scene. That's how it works.



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I'm saying the argument that Osi would be wrong for holding out has no merit and their is nothing dishonorable about his actions. It's business. The fact that players conitnue to sign contracts which far exceed any amount of income they would earn in any other occupation is not surprising. The benefits far outwiegh the flaws in the system.IMO, in a profession with such a high risk of career ending injuries taking place a premium should be placed on market value from a player's perspective. The same way a team can cut a player for not performing,a player can cut ties with a team for not paying him what they feel they are worth- contract or no contract. </P>


If we didn't draft JPP we wouldn't be having this conversation. You can bet your money JRwould have signed Osi and given him a more lucrative extension. We would have reworked his current contract and not wait until his deal expired. Now that we have JPP and Kiwi at our disposal we have the luxury of playing hardball but it doesn't change Osi's value it just chnages the tactics which we use with players not seen as a priority. </P>

DVision
05-01-2012, 08:50 PM
How will Osi sitting out a season help him get the large long term deal he's looking for next season when he will be valued as simply a pass rusher who is a year removed from football and a year older? Again, his best bet is to enter FA having had a strong season! A year out of football uninury related for a 9 year vet is not a bad thing. I agree playing next year and having a strong season is the most direct route to a new big contract. This is part of the reason he got such a lo offer with the extensions. If he feels the money isn't worth the risk he can sit out. Based on his body of work he will still land a big contract, just not as big.</P>


Wow.....the NFL may disagree that it's "not a bad thing".*That's why fines were raised significantly in the last bargaining agreement.</P>


Holding out also harms your value to other teams.* GM's shy away from holdouts and media divas.*Standing up for your principals is one thing....losing LARGE sums of cash doing it is quite another!* There is no good that can come from holding out for Osi.*</P>


The rules of the contract between player and owner have been this way for years.* The*Giants hold all the cards and that's just the way it is.* Osi got a big payday and he should honor his current contract and STFU!!* Let him play like he deserves the money*he thinks he's worth and EARN it!!**He isn't*OWED anything.</P>




basically. (And I am an Osi fan, but this is just a bit much)
</P>


I disagree.* Vincent Jackson didn't have any*problem finding a new team.* His hold out with SD was widely publicised.* If Osi get's hurt this year and has to retire then he is out of luck and for what?**Less than he's worth.* At 31 he is correct in placing priority on his market value.* </P>


Lets say Osi plays for $5.85 million and gets hurt.* He gets the money for the year and has to retire.**Let's say*he holds out all year and signs a contract with a team*the following*year for $10 million a year and get's hurt in the*first year of his contract and has to retire.* </P>


Present value of that 10 million is about $8.5 million.* Lets say he only gets $7 mill.* PV is still almost $6.5 mill.* Now you have to subtract the money he could of made had he played his contract out.* So the total present value of the move would be roughly +$2.67 million if he got a $10 million/ year contract and +$610K if he got a 7 million dollar contract.* I'm not even factoring in the garaunteed money he will get with the new contract as a signing bonus, etc.</P>


I'd say he needs to find out what his market value is.* I don't know exactly but it makes all the difference for*a guy with probably 3-4 years of football left in him.</P>

As I said before, Vincent Jackson sat out the majority of the season 2 years ago and then followed it up with a 60 catch 1,000+ yard season before he entered the Free Agent market. Osi would be coming from not playing to Free Agency. Big difference!

JMFP2
05-01-2012, 08:58 PM
It's really very simple. The organization had made Osi and offer and he can accept, reject, or counter offer. If Osi rejects the offer, then he has one more year to play on his contract. As you say, Osi can hold out all season to the tune of $30K a day. So on top of not making his salary which he agreed to play for he will, additionally, have to cough up the daily fine.

If, as has been suggested, Osi is right to do the best he can for his family, how does holding out accomplish that?

<FONT color=#0000ff>I would hold out on principle if I were Osi</FONT>, rather than playing for less than what I'm worth, especially since I gave my all fore 9 years. His current contract should give him and his family that kind of financial flexibility. The same way Vincent Jackson held out. The same way Carson Palmer walked away from Cincy. You can't allows these teams to bully you as a player. So if you put two sub-par offers on the table after all Osi's done over 9 years to help the Giants when 2 SBs and many games, and on top of that you offer a less accomplished player a better contract then Osi doesn't owe the team anything. As a fan I think JR is doing the right thing by the team. As a man I can see how Osi feels slighted by mediocre extension offers when he's been a Rock Star pass rusher.

Help me out here, exactly what principle would you be talking about. He took the money he got in the front loaded $41M contract HE SIGNED. Front loaded means you get most of the largese in the first few years and then things level out. The contract had a start date and an end date. The end date is a year from now.

Osi has been complaining about this contract since he signed it. He has whined about how terrible the GIANTS have been and continue to be. he has taken his plight to the press and the public and has gotten nothing for that effort other than many of us now just wish he'd go away.

The only principle involved in this entire Osi created fiasco is the principle that grown men of good faith honor the contracts into which they enter. Osi doesn't want to play by the rules unless he makes the rules to be followed.

Hundreds of players go through this process every year and very few of them are handled in the press except when the announcement is made that a deal is done. Examples os such players are Kiwanuka and Cruz. Two players who are at different points along the salary continuum but who nonetheless manage to play football while those entrusted with representing them, represent them.

Osi has brought all of this negativity to bear. His supporters suggest it's not a distraction. Others suggest he's putting himself before the team by publicly airing his dirty laundry. Whichever position you take, it's a situation that sucks.

Osi needs to shut up and play or hold out. His choice. For those you hoping he holds out to prove a point you may want to solve the cash flow issues that will cause him and the family you say he's "only trying to support." He can't have it both ways.
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It just shocks me that a few posters are actually pointing out the minutia of JR stating the truth, (that Osi was offered extensions) and suggesting that this is some kind of inappropriate use of the media.</P>


Osi accused JR of being a liar during the lock out. He then continued his whining and complaining when he finally reported (with an undisclosed knee injury). And has continued his public war on JR since.</P>


So now JR goes out and answers a question with a true and benign comment and its THIS that a few kooky posters point out.</P>


There is nothing in this world that makes otherwise smart people more stupid, more quickly, than a blinding agenda.</P>


All of this you signed a contract and you must honor it talk is BULLOX! If any team feels a player is underperforming he can get cut, no matter what contract you signed. You can even play well, but If a team finds somebody that can play better you can be released. The team doesn't honor the contract regardless of how you play or what injuries you've sustained so why the heck should the player be held to such a high standard of honor. Every play is career threatening for a player. As a player you owe it to yourself and your family to get full market value for your abilities, unless your priority is winning a championship over getting paid. JR held out the two contract extension offers as if they were olive branches extended to Osi. A sign of the team willing to pay him what he's worth. C'mon guys, why in God's name would we pay Osi like a starter when we have to resign JPP. It's obvious from the Kiwi deal we had no intention of resigning Osi. JPP is our guy Kiwi is his back up in case of injury. He had to get paid more than a back up b/c he also plays SAM. We simply don't have the money to pay Osi and the extensions reflected this reality not what Osi is really worth. We didn't sincerely attempt to resign him. JR's "reitre as a Giant" line was BS and he knows it. We want him to play out his contract which undervalues him as a DE compared to what other DE of his talent currently make even if you smooth the numbers to account for the front loaded contract. Forget about front loaded or back loaded. Give me the average annual income for the life of the contract then compare that to what the top 10 DE make. I don't have to do this b/c logic tells me that market for DE's has appreciated in the past 7 years. So common sense should tell you he's playing for less than he's worth. The Giants make business decisions all the time; letting SS walk, BJ, Boss, and MM walk as well. Why shouldn't a player also make business decisions. If Osi has managed his money well it his perogative to say I'm worth more than your paying me and I can miss next season easy financially and find a team that's willing to pay me what I'm worth. I find no fault in anything he does. This is business. JR is doing his job as GM but lets not pretend he is the honorable one in this battle and cry baby Osi has no honor. After 9 years of battle Osi is a Giant for life an all time GIANT, forget what these fools on this board are talking about. That is a joke.</P>


Excellent points.</P>


"Disgruntled Osi" played his *** off last season....he's been a big piece of 2 Super Bowl Champions.</P>


He's got every right to speak his mind. As I've said (a million times) I wish he and Reese could keep this stuff in house. But it's laughable that people get on Osi for responding to something JR said....and it's a fact that his latest comments were a direct response to what Reese said.</P>


I'm not siding with Osi over Reese..... I'm saying I understand his side of the issue.</P>


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What is laughable is the fact that it's OK for Osi to spout his business to anyone that will listen, but people get on JR for finally responding...it's a fact that JR's only comment was a direct response to the myriad of times Osi has discussed his grievances with the media! You can say your not siding with Osi, but your comment says otherwise.</P>


I've probably said a dozen times that I wished Osi would put a lid on it. </P>


I alsoquestioned the wisdom of Reese discussing this in the media; specifically, that Osi had rejected two offers....like I said, I think that wasunproductive and unnecessary. Osi is a great player, with a major league burr up his *** about his contract..... it's natural to assume any public comments by Reese on the negotiations will prompt a reaction by Osi.</P>


I think both parties should keep this in house, as I've repeatedly said.</P>

B&RWarrior
05-01-2012, 09:25 PM
How will Osi sitting out a season help him get the large long term deal he's looking for next season when he will be valued as simply a pass rusher who is a year removed from football and a year older? Again, his best bet is to enter FA having had a strong season! A year out of football uninury related for a 9 year vet is not a bad thing. I agree playing next year and having a strong season is the most direct route to a new big contract. This is part of the reason he got such a lo offer with the extensions. If he feels the money isn't worth the risk he can sit out. Based on his body of work he will still land a big contract, just not as big.</P>


Wow.....the NFL may disagree that it's "not a bad thing".*That's why fines were raised significantly in the last bargaining agreement.</P>


Holding out also harms your value to other teams.* GM's shy away from holdouts and media divas.*Standing up for your principals is one thing....losing LARGE sums of cash doing it is quite another!* There is no good that can come from holding out for Osi.*</P>


The rules of the contract between player and owner have been this way for years.* The*Giants hold all the cards and that's just the way it is.* Osi got a big payday and he should honor his current contract and STFU!!* Let him play like he deserves the money*he thinks he's worth and EARN it!!**He isn't*OWED anything.</P>




basically. (And I am an Osi fan, but this is just a bit much)
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I disagree.* Vincent Jackson didn't have any*problem finding a new team.* His hold out with SD was widely publicised.* If Osi get's hurt this year and has to retire then he is out of luck and for what?**Less than he's worth.* At 31 he is correct in placing priority on his market value.* </P>


Lets say Osi plays for $5.85 million and gets hurt.* He gets the money for the year and has to retire.**Let's say*he holds out all year and signs a contract with a team*the following*year for $10 million a year and get's hurt in the*first year of his contract and has to retire.* </P>


Present value of that 10 million is about $8.5 million.* Lets say he only gets $7 mill.* PV is still almost $6.5 mill.* Now you have to subtract the money he could of made had he played his contract out.* So the total present value of the move would be roughly +$2.67 million if he got a $10 million/ year contract and +$610K if he got a 7 million dollar contract.* I'm not even factoring in the garaunteed money he will get with the new contract as a signing bonus, etc.</P>


I'd say he needs to find out what his market value is.* I don't know exactly but it makes all the difference for*a guy with probably 3-4 years of football left in him.</P>

As I said before, Vincent Jackson sat out the majority of the season 2 years ago and then followed it up with a 60 catch 1,000+ yard season before he entered the Free Agent market. Osi would be coming from not playing to Free Agency. Big difference!

VJ would have received high demand w/o the season you list. He didn't get payed based on that one season he got paid based on his career in its entirety. One year from now Osi will still be able to bring the heat and he will get a big contract whether he plays next year or not.

RoanokeFan
05-01-2012, 09:28 PM
That's how the contracts are written. That's why agents now fight for as much guaranteed money as they can. The contract language allows for teams to cut players and, yet, players continue to sign those contracts. Please explain how teams are not honoring the contracts?

This is a "what have you done for me lately" competitive environment. I suspect Mario Manningham would still be here if Victor Cruz had not burst onto the scene. That's how it works.



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<font color="#0000FF">I'm saying the argument that Osi would be wrong for holding out has no merit and their is nothing dishonorable about his actions. It's business. </font>The fact that players conitnue to sign contracts which far exceed any amount of income they would earn in any other occupation is not surprising. The benefits far outwiegh the flaws in the system.IMO, in a profession with such a high risk of career ending injuries taking place a premium should be placed on market value from a player's perspective. The same way a team can cut a player for not performing,a player can cut ties with a team for not paying him what they feel they are worth- contract or no contract. </p>


If we didn't draft JPP we wouldn't be having this conversation. You can bet your money JRwould have signed Osi and given him a more lucrative extension. We would have reworked his current contract and not wait until his deal expired. Now that we have JPP and Kiwi at our disposal we have the luxury of playing hardball but it doesn't change Osi's value it just chnages the tactics which we use with players not seen as a priority. </p>

Osi would be guilty of breach of contract. Maybe in your world that's OK, but in the real business world, not so much.

If players want a clause that allows them to walk away from their team WHILE under contract, they need to insert language to allow that.

You have just described the benefits of a free enterprise system.

Bing Crosby
05-01-2012, 09:41 PM
I'm saying the argument that Osi would be wrong for holding out has no merit and their is nothing dishonorable about his actions.

So not honoring a deal that he freely choose to sign makes him honorable? Please. Just say it's if your dealing with his own selfish self interest it would be best for him to not honor his word. No one put a gun to Osi's head to sign it. He should honor the deal and then deal with the situation as it is afterwords.


It's business.

Yup, and he signed the contract to play for the New York Giants for the amount of years he did, fully knowing that it was possible that he may not get a contract he agrees with afterwards. If you believe Osi's story he is just a bad and <span class="st">naive </span>business man, if you don't he's a liar. Either way he doesn't look good right now.


The fact that players conitnue to sign contracts which far exceed any amount of income they would earn in any other occupation is not surprising. The benefits far outwiegh the flaws in the system.IMO, in a profession with such a high risk of career ending injuries taking place a premium should be placed on market value from a player's perspective. The same way a team can cut a player for not performing,a player can cut ties with a team for not paying him what they feel they are worth- contract or no contract.

A nice little fantasy world there, but such a place wouldn't work anywhere, especially in the diva ridden world of professional sports. Osi signed his contract under his own free will, promising to uphold the terms of it. He got his money up front and now it's time for him to honor it. He can cry in the rain all he wants but he made his bed, his stamping his feet and saying he won't do it makes him look like a child and not a professional businessman. Of course I believe Osi understands this and will ultimately play, and then he can leave and find out exactly what he is worth next year.

IMO he isn't worth what he wants to be paid in this system, he is a backup. Can he start other places? Sure. But he has nothing to complain about here. He signed the contract and knew that his starter job was only secured so long as he could outperform other players.




If we didn't draft JPP we wouldn't be having this conversation. You can bet your money JRwould have signed Osi and given him a more lucrative extension. </p>

If my Mother had a mustache she would be my father. Every pro (except the most arrogant) understands the fact that they could be replaced by better talent. I doubt Osi is any different. The Giants found someone better then him, now he is a backup.
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Now that we have JPP and Kiwi at our disposal we have the luxury of playing hardball but it doesn't change Osi's value it just chnages the tactics which we use with players not seen as a priority. </p>

Of course it changes his value to the team, he isn't as valuable to us as JPP or Tuck are. He is a backup now, and I'm sick and tired of hearing him cry to the public. If he wants to be a starter here, let him out perform JPP or Tuck. If he can't do it tough. Here he has been weighed and his value measured, and he isn't worth what he wants to be paid to us. Let him get it elsewhere if he can. That is what is better long term for both sides.

He constant whining though makes him look like a punk. So either Osi is inept when it comes to dealing with the media, or he's a drama king. I'm thinking it's the later and not the former.

DVision
05-01-2012, 09:44 PM
It's really very simple.* The organization had made Osi and offer and he can accept, reject, or counter offer.** If Osi rejects the offer, then he has one more year to play on his contract.* As you say, Osi can hold out all season to the tune of $30K a day.* So on top of not making his salary which he agreed to play for he will, additionally, have to cough up the daily fine.

If, as has been suggested, Osi is right to do the best he can for his family, how does holding out accomplish that?

<FONT color=#0000ff>I would hold out on principle if I were Osi</FONT>, rather than playing for less than what I'm worth, especially since I gave my all fore 9 years. His current contract should give him and his family that kind of financial flexibility. The same way Vincent Jackson held out. The same way Carson Palmer walked away from Cincy. You can't allows these teams to bully you as a player. So if you put two sub-par offers on the table after all Osi's done over 9 years to help the Giants when 2 SBs and many games, and on top of that you offer a less accomplished player a better contract then Osi doesn't owe the team anything. As a fan I think JR is doing the right thing by the team. As a man I can see how Osi feels slighted by mediocre extension offers when he's been a Rock Star pass rusher.

Help me out here, exactly what principle would you be talking about.* He took the money he got in the front loaded $41M contract HE SIGNED.* Front loaded means you get most of the largese in the first few years and then things level out.* The contract had a start date and an end date.* The end date is a year from now.

Osi has been complaining about this contract since he signed it.* He has whined about how terrible the GIANTS have been and continue to be.* he has taken his plight to the press and the public and has gotten nothing for that effort other than many of us now just wish he'd go away.

The only principle involved in this entire Osi created fiasco is the principle that grown men of good faith honor the contracts into which they enter.* Osi doesn't want to play by the rules unless he makes the rules to be followed.

Hundreds of players go through this process every year and very few of them are handled in the press except when the announcement is made that a deal is done.* Examples os such players are Kiwanuka and Cruz.* Two players who are at different points along the salary continuum but who nonetheless manage to play football while those entrusted with representing them, represent them.

Osi has brought all of this negativity to bear.* His supporters suggest it's not a distraction.* Others suggest he's putting himself before the team by publicly airing his dirty laundry.* Whichever position you take, it's a situation that sucks.

Osi needs to shut up and play or hold out.* His choice.* For those you hoping he holds out to prove a point you may want to solve the cash flow issues that will cause him and the family you say he's "only trying to support."* He can't have it both ways.
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It just shocks me that a few posters are actually pointing out the minutia of JR stating the truth, (that Osi was offered extensions) and suggesting that this is some kind of inappropriate use of the media.</P>


Osi accused JR of being a liar during the lock out.* He then continued his whining and complaining when he finally reported (with an undisclosed knee injury).* And has continued his public war on JR since.</P>


So now JR goes out and answers a question with a true and benign comment and its THIS that a few kooky posters point out.</P>


There is nothing in this world that makes otherwise smart people more stupid, more quickly, than a blinding agenda.</P>


All of this you signed a contract and you must honor it talk is BULLOX! If any team feels a player is underperforming he can get cut, no matter what contract you signed. You can even play well, but If a team finds somebody that can play better you can be released. The team doesn't honor the contract regardless of how you play or what injuries you've sustained so why the heck should the player be held to such a high standard of honor. Every play is career threatening for a player. As a player you owe it to yourself and your family to get full market value for your abilities, unless your priority is winning a championship over getting paid. JR held out the two contract extension offers as if they were olive branches extended to Osi. A sign of the team willing to pay him what he's worth. C'mon guys, why in God's name would we pay Osi like a starter when we have to resign JPP. It's obvious from the Kiwi deal we had no intention of resigning Osi. JPP is our guy Kiwi is his back up in case of injury. He had to get paid more than a back up b/c he also plays SAM. We simply don't have the money to pay Osi and the extensions reflected this reality not what Osi is really worth. We didn't sincerely attempt to resign him. JR's "reitre as a Giant" line was BS and he knows it. We want him to play out his contract which undervalues him as a DE compared to what other DE of his talent currently make even if you smooth the numbers to account for the front loaded contract. Forget about front loaded or back loaded. Give me the average annual income for the life of the contract then compare that to what the top 10 DE make. I don't have to do this b/c logic tells me that market for DE's has appreciated in the past 7 years. So common sense should tell you he's playing for less than he's worth. The Giants make business decisions all the time; letting SS walk, BJ, Boss, and MM walk as well. Why shouldn't a player also make business decisions. If Osi has managed his money well it his perogative to say I'm worth more than your paying me and I can miss next season easy financially and find a team that's willing to pay me what I'm worth. I find no fault in anything he does. This is business. JR is doing his job as GM but lets not pretend he is the honorable one in this battle and cry baby Osi has no honor. After 9 years of battle Osi is a Giant for life an all time GIANT, forget what these fools on this board are talking about. That is a joke.</P>


Excellent points.</P>


"Disgruntled Osi" played his *** off last season....he's been a big piece of 2 Super Bowl Champions.</P>


He's got every right to speak his mind.* As I've said (a million times) I wish he and Reese could keep this stuff in house.* But it's laughable that people get on Osi for responding to something JR said....and it's a fact that his latest comments were a direct response to what Reese said.</P>


I'm not siding with Osi over Reese..... I'm saying I understand his side of the issue.</P>


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What is laughable is the fact that it's OK for Osi to spout his business to anyone that will listen, but people get on JR for finally responding...it's a fact that JR's only comment was a direct response to the myriad of times Osi has discussed his grievances with the media! You can say your not siding with Osi, but your comment says otherwise.</P>


I've probably said a dozen times that I wished Osi would put a lid on it.* </P>


I also*questioned the wisdom of Reese discussing this in the media; specifically, that Osi had rejected two offers....like I said, I think that was*unproductive and unnecessary.* Osi is a great player, with a major league burr up his *** about his contract.....* it's natural to assume any public comments by Reese on the negotiations will prompt a reaction by Osi.</P>


I think both parties should keep this in house, as I've repeatedly said.</P>

Again though Reese's only public statement on Osi was that one response to a question asked of him. A question I'm sure he's tired of hearing, as he has said over and over "Osi is still under contract..." And a question that would never have been presented to him in the first place if not for Osi's public rants.

I don't find what he said to be nearly as over the top as some of the things Osi's said. It is just as natural that after listening to Osi's rants, being called a liar by the man, and being questioned about it repeatedly the situation was bound to prompt a response from Reese!

We both agree on the keeping it in house, but it's been 2 years of the same and this is the 1st time Reese even mentioned the offers.

And finally as much as I like Osi's play making ability the fact that he wants top 5 DE money a season after he only played 9 games (mostly because he was more concerned about his contract then getting necessary knee surgery during the off season) makes him look like a "greedy pig"! Not Reese's statement.

RoanokeFan
05-01-2012, 09:52 PM
It's really very simple. The organization had made Osi and offer and he can accept, reject, or counter offer. If Osi rejects the offer, then he has one more year to play on his contract. As you say, Osi can hold out all season to the tune of $30K a day. So on top of not making his salary which he agreed to play for he will, additionally, have to cough up the daily fine.

If, as has been suggested, Osi is right to do the best he can for his family, how does holding out accomplish that?

<font color="#0000ff">I would hold out on principle if I were Osi</font>, rather than playing for less than what I'm worth, especially since I gave my all fore 9 years. His current contract should give him and his family that kind of financial flexibility. The same way Vincent Jackson held out. The same way Carson Palmer walked away from Cincy. You can't allows these teams to bully you as a player. So if you put two sub-par offers on the table after all Osi's done over 9 years to help the Giants when 2 SBs and many games, and on top of that you offer a less accomplished player a better contract then Osi doesn't owe the team anything. As a fan I think JR is doing the right thing by the team. As a man I can see how Osi feels slighted by mediocre extension offers when he's been a Rock Star pass rusher.

Help me out here, exactly what principle would you be talking about. He took the money he got in the front loaded $41M contract HE SIGNED. Front loaded means you get most of the largese in the first few years and then things level out. The contract had a start date and an end date. The end date is a year from now.

Osi has been complaining about this contract since he signed it. He has whined about how terrible the GIANTS have been and continue to be. he has taken his plight to the press and the public and has gotten nothing for that effort other than many of us now just wish he'd go away.

The only principle involved in this entire Osi created fiasco is the principle that grown men of good faith honor the contracts into which they enter. Osi doesn't want to play by the rules unless he makes the rules to be followed.

Hundreds of players go through this process every year and very few of them are handled in the press except when the announcement is made that a deal is done. Examples os such players are Kiwanuka and Cruz. Two players who are at different points along the salary continuum but who nonetheless manage to play football while those entrusted with representing them, represent them.

Osi has brought all of this negativity to bear. His supporters suggest it's not a distraction. Others suggest he's putting himself before the team by publicly airing his dirty laundry. Whichever position you take, it's a situation that sucks.

Osi needs to shut up and play or hold out. His choice. For those you hoping he holds out to prove a point you may want to solve the cash flow issues that will cause him and the family you say he's "only trying to support." He can't have it both ways.
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It just shocks me that a few posters are actually pointing out the minutia of JR stating the truth, (that Osi was offered extensions) and suggesting that this is some kind of inappropriate use of the media.</p>


Osi accused JR of being a liar during the lock out. He then continued his whining and complaining when he finally reported (with an undisclosed knee injury). And has continued his public war on JR since.</p>


So now JR goes out and answers a question with a true and benign comment and its THIS that a few kooky posters point out.</p>


There is nothing in this world that makes otherwise smart people more stupid, more quickly, than a blinding agenda.</p>


All of this you signed a contract and you must honor it talk is BULLOX! If any team feels a player is underperforming he can get cut, no matter what contract you signed. You can even play well, but If a team finds somebody that can play better you can be released. The team doesn't honor the contract regardless of how you play or what injuries you've sustained so why the heck should the player be held to such a high standard of honor. Every play is career threatening for a player. As a player you owe it to yourself and your family to get full market value for your abilities, unless your priority is winning a championship over getting paid. JR held out the two contract extension offers as if they were olive branches extended to Osi. A sign of the team willing to pay him what he's worth. C'mon guys, why in God's name would we pay Osi like a starter when we have to resign JPP. It's obvious from the Kiwi deal we had no intention of resigning Osi. JPP is our guy Kiwi is his back up in case of injury. He had to get paid more than a back up b/c he also plays SAM. We simply don't have the money to pay Osi and the extensions reflected this reality not what Osi is really worth. We didn't sincerely attempt to resign him. JR's "reitre as a Giant" line was BS and he knows it. We want him to play out his contract which undervalues him as a DE compared to what other DE of his talent currently make even if you smooth the numbers to account for the front loaded contract. Forget about front loaded or back loaded. Give me the average annual income for the life of the contract then compare that to what the top 10 DE make. I don't have to do this b/c logic tells me that market for DE's has appreciated in the past 7 years. So common sense should tell you he's playing for less than he's worth. The Giants make business decisions all the time; letting SS walk, BJ, Boss, and MM walk as well. Why shouldn't a player also make business decisions. If Osi has managed his money well it his perogative to say I'm worth more than your paying me and I can miss next season easy financially and find a team that's willing to pay me what I'm worth. I find no fault in anything he does. This is business. JR is doing his job as GM but lets not pretend he is the honorable one in this battle and cry baby Osi has no honor. After 9 years of battle Osi is a Giant for life an all time GIANT, forget what these fools on this board are talking about. That is a joke.</p>


Excellent points.</p>


"Disgruntled Osi" played his *** off last season....he's been a big piece of 2 Super Bowl Champions.</p>


He's got every right to speak his mind. As I've said (a million times) I wish he and Reese could keep this stuff in house. But it's laughable that people get on Osi for responding to something JR said....and it's a fact that his latest comments were a direct response to what Reese said.</p>


I'm not siding with Osi over Reese..... I'm saying I understand his side of the issue.</p>


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What is laughable is the fact that it's OK for Osi to spout his business to anyone that will listen, but people get on JR for finally responding...it's a fact that JR's only comment was a direct response to the myriad of times Osi has discussed his grievances with the media! You can say your not siding with Osi, but your comment says otherwise.</p>


I've probably said a dozen times that I wished Osi would put a lid on it. </p>


I alsoquestioned the wisdom of Reese discussing this in the media; specifically, that Osi had rejected two offers....like I said, I think that wasunproductive and unnecessary. Osi is a great player, with a major league burr up his *** about his contract..... it's natural to assume any public comments by Reese on the negotiations will prompt a reaction by Osi.</p>


I think both parties should keep this in house, as I've repeatedly said.</p>

Again though Reese's only public statement on Osi was that one response to a question asked of him. A question I'm sure he's tired of hearing, as he has said over and over "Osi is still under contract..." And a question that would never have been presented to him in the first place if not for Osi's public rants.

I don't find what he said to be nearly as over the top as some of the things Osi's said. It is just as natural that after listening to Osi's rants, being called a liar by the man, and being questioned about it repeatedly the situation was bound to prompt a response from Reese!

We both agree on the keeping it in house, <font color="#0000FF">but it's been 2 years of the same and this is the 1st time Reese even mentioned the offers.</font>

And finally as much as I like Osi's play making ability the fact that he wants top 5 DE money a season after he only played 9 games (mostly because he was more concerned about his contract then getting necessary knee surgery during the off season) makes him look like a "greedy pig"! Not Reese's statement.

Not true, it was widely reported last year that Osi turned down about $1M in incentives because he was demanding his contact be reworked. Reese just doesn't believe in doing this stuff publicly. And yet, if all the media reports is Osi's version, the perception gets skewed. It was entirely appropriate to respond to the question.