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Tommy_Ribs
05-01-2012, 12:38 PM
LT - Beatty | LG - Boothe | C - Baas | RG - Snee | RT - Diehl

I think this is how Coughlin would like the configuration to look, at least initially.

I would really love to see if Brewer could be the answer at RT, at some point. I know Diehl has played a lot of games for us, but I think he is not a good OL anymore.

I'd love to hear other folks' thoughts on this.

juice33s
05-01-2012, 12:40 PM
I expect Mosely to beat out Brewer and Deihl at some point in the next two seasons.

B&RWarrior
05-01-2012, 12:55 PM
I'm hoping Petrus steps up for LG.

Roswell777
05-01-2012, 12:59 PM
I thought their run game looked better with Petrus - Boothe - Snee anchoring the middle.

nhpgiantsfan
05-01-2012, 01:09 PM
I think the only real questions are at the tackle spots. Boothe and Snee have the guard spots locked up. (even though for some reason everyone seems to love Petrus. Boothe earned it last year.)

And Baas makes too much money that they aren't going to bail on him yet. He will be given the chance to succeed.

IMO, Beatty while not great, deserves a shot at the LT spot if healthy.

My only concern is how loyal TC is to Diehl. I guess RT would be ok for him but not LT or LG.

Buto
05-01-2012, 01:16 PM
If Baas can't stay on the field we're going to see Boothy at center and Petrus issuing pancakes at RT Gaurd

titwio
05-01-2012, 01:32 PM
I really feel this is Diehl's last year here. Just with the contracts they're going to have to pony up next year, I think he'll be released along with Canty on defense to free up money. The Giants already brought in depth at tackle the last two years and Mosley can play either (T/G) so they have some depth at Guard as well.

Sad to say but I think Diehl's definitely a goner after this season.

Kruunch
05-01-2012, 03:28 PM
LT - Beatty | LG - Boothe | C - Baas | RG - Snee | RT - Diehl

I think this is how Coughlin would like the configuration to look, at least initially.

I would really love to see if Brewer could be the answer at RT, at some point.* I know Diehl has played a lot of games for us, but I think he is not a good OL anymore.

I'd love to hear other folks' thoughts on this.


I'd say that looks about right.

I'm guessing that they aren't all that confident in Brewer judging by the fact that we drafted two OT (one being a RT specialist).

DD played with a broken hand last year ... I'm thinking he will bounce back just fine.

Kase-1
05-01-2012, 03:57 PM
Ill go out on a limb and say our OL will look like

LT- Beatty
LG- Baas
C- Boothe
RG- Snee
RT- Diehl

giantsfan420
05-01-2012, 05:38 PM
i know this might sound crazy, but what if the ol looked like

beatty petrus bass snee boothe

the RT is usually better at run blocking then pass protection but of course u want a guy who can do both well.

i know boothes frame doesnt really jump out and scream RT, but a guy like cordy glenn isnt much different iirc in terms of body build...and boothe has shown to me at least that he may have the footwork to be able to move out to RT...dunno, just throwing out ideas...imho, i'd rather boothe at RT than DD...love DD as a giant, he epitomizes giants football; heart, courage, loyalty, willpower...but he was literally the worst ranked G AND T last season...

titwio
05-01-2012, 05:56 PM
i know this might sound crazy, but what if the ol looked like

beatty petrus bass snee boothe

the RT is usually better at run blocking then pass protection but of course u want a guy who can do both well.

i know boothes frame doesnt really jump out and scream RT, but a guy like cordy glenn isnt much different iirc in terms of body build...and boothe has shown to me at least that he may have the footwork to be able to move out to RT...dunno, just throwing out ideas...imho, i'd rather boothe at RT than DD...love DD as a giant, he epitomizes giants football; heart, courage, loyalty, willpower...but he was literally the worst ranked G AND T last season...

Definitely an interesting idea. Not sure of his experience at tackle but... after the last two seasons with Diehl playing tackle my comfort level hasn't been too great.

I think it's a stretch considering the guys they've drafted the last two years but it is interesting. Personally I'm just all for seeing Petrus get reps at guard...that's what I'm a fan of.

TrueBlue@NYC
05-01-2012, 06:16 PM
IMO the most likely line-up is Beatty, Boothe, Baas, Snee and DD.

However, don't discount the giants signign Sean Locklear, he was a longtime starter at RT for the seahawks and also started at LT for them as well.

He can definintly play into things, or even be the swing OT.

C1010
05-01-2012, 07:51 PM
I thought their run game looked better with Petrus - Boothe - Snee anchoring the middle.

Unfortunately I just don't see them getting rid of Baas since they gave him that contract. Hopefully he really improves, some have said he was nowhere near 100% and most likely played at 70%. In terms of likely lineup:

Beatty-Boothe-Baas-Snee-Diehl

I think Brewer eventually takes the RT spot.

krygny
05-02-2012, 10:43 PM
We have all the bodies we need, with depth.
<a href="http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Exploring-the-offensive-line-depth-chart/a674eacb-9fac-49cb-9a14-21cebfbc3807">
http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Exploring-the-offensive-line-depth-chart/a674eacb-9fac-49cb-9a14-21cebfbc3807</a>

But I have no idea if the coaching staff can get any 5 of them to work together and be bullet proof for Eli <u>AND</u> run block. Run blocking kinda sucked last year.

NYDestroyer
05-02-2012, 11:16 PM
Write it down, I am predicting that the giants Offensive Line will be the biggest reason why they will struggle to even make the playoffs. Outside of Snee, no one has a shot of even making the pro bowl. That is how weak the line will be. I saw signs of it even in the Superbowl. Base on the thread starter list, that is one terrible line.

Beatty: What has he done when given a chance? I haven't seen much of him yet.
Boothe: Stink!!! nothing else to say.
Baas: Average at best and might be injury prone.
Snee: The only good Giants Offensive Lineman.
Diehl: At tackle? what a joke. He is better at the guard position where he is average at best.

Receivers will be good, but running backs will struggle because of the weak line as well as Eli a bit.

If healthy after the preseason, the defense should be a little better, but we shall see.

If I was assisting the Giants GM, the G-Men probably would win every year lol.[:D]
You guys know I am telling the truth.

Martin
05-03-2012, 12:10 PM
LT - Beatty | LG - Boothe | C - Baas | RG - Snee | RT - Diehl

I think this is how Coughlin would like the configuration to look, at least initially.

I would really love to see if Brewer could be the answer at RT, at some point.* I know Diehl has played a lot of games for us, but I think he is not a good OL anymore.

I'd love to hear other folks' thoughts on this.


I see it the same way except for Petrius may challenge Boothe. He is exceptional at run blocking. Devasting.

da_mane_man
05-03-2012, 02:27 PM
LT - Beatty LG - Diehl C - Baas RG - Snee RT - Locklear

Bench - Boothe, Petrus, Brewer, Mosley, McCants

that's some decent depth right there. boothe can start in 3 different positions (and will probably beat someone out). petrus is strong as hell and can help our run blocking at LG. brewer hopefully has developed a little bit in the past year and would be able to hold his own at RT without too many penalties. i'm not really expecting much out of mosley and mccants this year. they probably won't be active very much, but i just hope they learn and develop well behind these veterans.

i gotta say, i would really love to have a stud LT on this team. we always seem to have decent guys, but never a mauler, top 5 in the league type of guy.

bearbryant
05-04-2012, 05:12 PM
I hate to throw water on the parade but... " wheres the beef?"

FroZeNx31x
05-04-2012, 05:16 PM
Here's my view after camp shakes out.

LT - Beatty

LG - Diehl

C - Baas

RG - Snee

RT - Brewer

giantsfan39
05-04-2012, 05:24 PM
i know this might sound crazy, but what if the ol looked like

beatty petrus bass snee boothe

the RT is usually better at run blocking then pass protection but of course u want a guy who can do both well.

i know boothes frame doesnt really jump out and scream RT, but a guy like cordy glenn isnt much different iirc in terms of body build...and boothe has shown to me at least that he may have the footwork to be able to move out to RT...dunno, just throwing out ideas...imho, i'd rather boothe at RT than DD...love DD as a giant, he epitomizes giants football; heart, courage, loyalty, willpower...but he was literally the worst ranked G AND T last season...


Didn't Boothe play RT in the Falcons game when Mckenzie got benched and our run game took off?

RoanokeFan
05-04-2012, 05:27 PM
I'm hoping Petrus steps up for LG.

Where would you put Boothe?

RoanokeFan
05-04-2012, 05:28 PM
Here's my view after camp shakes out.

LT - Beatty

LG - Diehl

C - Baas

RG - Snee

RT - Brewer

Boothe is a versatile lineman who has played well at center and guard. Brewer?

RoanokeFan
05-04-2012, 05:31 PM
LT - Beatty | LG - Boothe | C - Baas | RG - Snee | RT - Diehl

I think this is how Coughlin would like the configuration to look, at least initially.

I would really love to see if Brewer could be the answer at RT, at some point. I know Diehl has played a lot of games for us, but I think he is not a good OL anymore.

I'd love to hear other folks' thoughts on this.


My only question, and I love the guy, is Diehl. I hope moving him over to the right side will find he's better suited there.

FroZeNx31x
05-04-2012, 05:35 PM
Boothe is a versatile lineman who has played well at center and guard.* Brewer?


Brewer, i believe, has the most talent on our O-Line next to Snee, this is his moment. He sat behind KMac for a full season learning just like TC wanted him to do. This year is his opportunity to take the starting spot which is wide open. The same scenario played out for Beatty the last 2 years.... sit for a year learning the offense then take over the reigns.

RoanokeFan
05-04-2012, 05:38 PM
Boothe is a versatile lineman who has played well at center and guard. Brewer?


Brewer, i believe, has the most talent on our O-Line next to Snee, this is his moment. He sat behind KMac for a full season learning just like TC wanted him to do. This year is his opportunity to take the starting spot which is wide open. The same scenario played out for Beatty the last 2 years.... sit for a year learning the offense then take over the reigns.

How man regular season game snaps has Brewer taken

FroZeNx31x
05-04-2012, 05:40 PM
How man regular season game snaps has Brewer taken

What does experience have to do with talent

FroZeNx31x
05-04-2012, 05:42 PM
How man regular season game snaps has Brewer taken


Forget about game exp.... Brewer goes up against arguably the best D-Line in football day in day out in practice..... No better experience than going against Osi, Tuck, JPP, Kiwi, Tolley, and Canty for 21 straight weeks

RoanokeFan
05-04-2012, 05:44 PM
How man regular season game snaps has Brewer taken

What does experience have to do with talent

LOL As we know from a lot of drafts, talent does not always equate into an NFL career. I have noithing against Brewer but I would like to see him play before I toss out someone who helped the offensive line go sackless for five straight record setting games.

RoanokeFan
05-04-2012, 05:44 PM
How man regular season game snaps has Brewer taken


Forget about game exp.... Brewer goes up against arguably the best D-Line in football day in day out in practice..... No better experience than going against Osi, Tuck, JPP, Kiwi, Tolley, and Canty for 21 straight weeks

As does the practice squad

FroZeNx31x
05-04-2012, 05:48 PM
LOL* As we know from a lot of* drafts, talent does not always equate into an NFL career.* I have noithing against Brewer but I would like to see him play before I toss out someone who helped the offensive line go sackless for five straight record setting games.


You never know what you have until you play him. He has faced great comp in practice going against our D-Line and coaches still have nothing but good things to say about him. I also like Boothe but i would rather have him as a utility player who focuses on all 3 O-Line positions in case of injury or mediocre play.

B&RWarrior
05-04-2012, 05:48 PM
I'm hoping Petrus steps up for LG.

Where would you put Boothe?


I like Petrus in the run game much better than Booth. Booth is a better pass blocker though.

DD may have seen his best days RF. I hope not, but my gut tells me different.

RoanokeFan
05-04-2012, 05:49 PM
LOL As we know from a lot of drafts, talent does not always equate into an NFL career. I have noithing against Brewer but I would like to see him play before I toss out someone who helped the offensive line go sackless for five straight record setting games.


You never know what you have until you play him. He has faced great comp in practice going against our D-Line and coaches still have nothing but good things to say about him. I also like Boothe but i would rather have him as a utility player who focuses on all 3 O-Line positions in case of injury or mediocre play.

The practices where they don't wear pads, don't hit each other, or go full speed?

Brewer will get his chance to compete and the best players will win out. Maybe Brewer will be one of the winners, and then again, maybe he is still in the learning curve.

B&RWarrior
05-04-2012, 05:52 PM
LOL* As we know from a lot of* drafts, talent does not always equate into an NFL career.* I have noithing against Brewer but I would like to see him play before I toss out someone who helped the offensive line go sackless for five straight record setting games.


You never know what you have until you play him. He has faced great comp in practice going against our D-Line and coaches still have nothing but good things to say about him. I also like Boothe but i would rather have him as a utility player who focuses on all 3 O-Line positions in case of injury or mediocre play.

Brewer will get some snaps, but the thread was originally asking who would start. Brewer's not in that conversation.

RoanokeFan
05-04-2012, 05:52 PM
I'm hoping Petrus steps up for LG.

Where would you put Boothe?


I like Petrus in the run game much better than Booth. Booth is a better pass blocker though.

DD may have seen his best days RF. I hope not, but my gut tells me different.

I hope he can handle RT because, if not, you may be right. Snee is never going to move out of RG unless there's an emergency

Serg812
05-04-2012, 05:52 PM
Am I the only one that thinks Snee has lost it? He was our 2nd worst linemen last year in my opinion. He's been great in the past but wow, what happened to him? No run blocking, manhandled in pass protection. Boothe deserves a spot on the interior. I like Baas when healthy but I think the decisions he has to make on his feet at Center are too much for him which is why he struggled with us at guard and excelled as a Niner. Like him at guard more. I like Petrus too much to leave on the bench. I know it hurts to look at.. But I wanna see

Beatty
Petrus
Boothe
Baas
Brewer/Diehl/Mosley

RoanokeFan
05-04-2012, 05:53 PM
Am I the only one that thinks Snee has lost it? He was our 2nd worst linemen last year in my opinion. He's been great in the past but wow, what happened to him? No run blocking, manhandled in pass protection. Boothe deserves a spot on the interior. I like Baas when healthy but I think the decisions he has to make on his feet at Center are too much for him which is why he struggled with us at guard and excelled as a Niner. Like him at guard more. I like Petrus too much to leave on the bench. I know it hurts to look at.. But I wanna see

Beatty
Petrus
Boothe
Baas
Brewer/Diehl/Mosley


Most see Snee as the lynchpin of the line

FroZeNx31x
05-04-2012, 05:54 PM
The practices where they don't wear pads, don't hit each other, or go full speed?

Brewer will get his chance to compete and the best players will win out.* Maybe Brewer will be one of the winners, and then again, maybe he is still in the learning curve.


Yes, also the practices where they have classroom sessions, review film, study the playbook, walk-through the game plan etc.... pads and contact aren't the only ways to get better at your position.

RoanokeFan
05-04-2012, 05:55 PM
The practices where they don't wear pads, don't hit each other, or go full speed?

Brewer will get his chance to compete and the best players will win out. Maybe Brewer will be one of the winners, and then again, maybe he is still in the learning curve.


Yes, also the practices where they have classroom sessions, review film, study the playbook, walk-through the game plan etc.... pads and contact aren't the only ways to get better at your position.

OK

B&RWarrior
05-04-2012, 05:58 PM
Am I the only one that thinks Snee has lost it? He was our 2nd worst linemen last year in my opinion. He's been great in the past but wow, what happened to him? No run blocking, manhandled in pass protection. Boothe deserves a spot on the interior. I like Baas when healthy but I think the decisions he has to make on his feet at Center are too much for him which is why he struggled with us at guard and excelled as a Niner. Like him at guard more. I like Petrus too much to leave on the bench. I know it hurts to look at.. But I wanna see

Beatty
Petrus
Boothe
Baas
Brewer/Diehl/Mosley


Yes you are the only one.

I think he was playing injured. Snee is easily our best OL.

FroZeNx31x
05-04-2012, 05:59 PM
I thought this thread sort of turned into personal opinion....not disputing why someone else doesn't share the same views you do.

RoanokeFan
05-04-2012, 06:01 PM
That's what most threads are, personal opinion

FroZeNx31x
05-04-2012, 06:07 PM
That's what most threads are, personal opinion


Although that may be true, i didn't expect opinion discrimination from such a seasoned poster such as yourself.

lol

RoanokeFan
05-04-2012, 06:08 PM
That's what most threads are, personal opinion


Although that may be true, i didn't expect opinion discrimination from such a seasoned poster such as yourself.

lol

What is opinion discrimination?

FroZeNx31x
05-04-2012, 06:09 PM
What is opinion discrimination?


context clues

RoanokeFan
05-04-2012, 06:11 PM
What is opinion discrimination?


context clues

That clears everything up, thanks.

B&RWarrior
05-04-2012, 06:11 PM
That's what most threads are, personal opinion


Although that may be true, i didn't expect opinion discrimination from such a seasoned poster such as yourself.

lol

What is opinion discrimination?


my next post will be about the benefits of opinion affirmative action.

RoanokeFan
05-04-2012, 06:12 PM
That's what most threads are, personal opinion


Although that may be true, i didn't expect opinion discrimination from such a seasoned poster such as yourself.

lol

What is opinion discrimination?


my next post will be about the benefits of opinion affirmative action.

Can you give me ten to get some fresh popcorn?

burier
05-07-2012, 04:29 PM
David Diehl can't play RT.

giantsfan420
05-07-2012, 05:59 PM
David Diehl can't play RT.

i dunno bout that...yeah we all know he was the worst rated T and G last season, that said he's proven to be pretty versatile. and he displays what being a giant is all about; loyalty, heart, determination, great work ethic

the giants staff know better than anyone that he struggled last season, and many opined that he'd be gone, esp with his salary this year...that said, they still kept him around over KMac at the least...

i'm expecting him to prob get the nod at a starting OL spot next season, and to struggle. but wouldnt surprise me if he had a decent year at RT, or if he was the ultimate teammate and worked his tail off being a backup player along the entire OL...although he has said he loves the competition and wouldn relinquish his startng spot without a fight

RoanokeFan
05-07-2012, 06:09 PM
David Diehl can't play RT.

Not that I can recall and surely not for any length of time.

gumby742
05-08-2012, 11:09 PM
The front office obviously has more faith in them than I do - lol.

Drez
05-08-2012, 11:13 PM
David Diehl can't play RT.

Not that I can recall and surely not for any length of time.

I think Diehl originally played some RT for us back in the day.

giantsfan420
05-08-2012, 11:48 PM
I think Lockler has a much better chance at starting at RT than most people, including me before today, have given him credit for...

NY_Eli
05-09-2012, 12:27 AM
I think Lockler has a much better chance at starting at RT than most people, including me before today, have given him credit for...

According to this article RF posted http://www.giants101.com/2012/05/08/new-york-giants-kevin-gilbride-victor-cruz-will-remain-slot-receiver/ it seems like RT will be Diehl's spot to lose.

nygfan0816
05-09-2012, 01:04 AM
baas and snee are the only ones who have their spots locked at C and RG.

im thinking in training camp and preseason-
LT competition-beatty vs locklear
LG competition-booth vs petrus
RT competition-diehl vs brewer

imo, it will most likely be beatty-booth-baas-snee-diehl

giantsfan420
05-09-2012, 02:44 AM
baas and snee are the only ones who have their spots locked at C and RG.

im thinking in training camp and preseason-
LT competition-beatty vs locklear
LG competition-booth vs petrus
RT competition-diehl vs brewer

imo, it will most likely be beatty-booth-baas-snee-diehl

u gotta add in lockler to RT competition imo...everyone is overlooking him, i was guilty of that charge before today...

he was a quality starting RT in 2010 and had some starts for DC last season...it would not surprise me if he's better than DD and Brewer not being quite ready by the start of the reg season...

Lockler is pretty sound in run blocking, and not bad in pass protection...he woulda been an upgrade over KMAc last season imho

T-Murda84
05-10-2012, 07:27 PM
Thank God, Kevin Gilbride is our offensive coordinatoor instead of a coordinatoor with the Harbaughs' mindset. Gilbride's system works well for a sorry offensive line....the shotgun draw is a deceptive play....lets face it this team can not line up in the I Formation and pound it. Eli Manning is the focal point of this entire offense...his passing attack opens the run from shotgun...and Jerry Reese is relying on this and relying on Eli's durablitiy because no QB takes more shots than Eli.

Sean Lockler is a backup, He will line up as a tight end on certain formations. But has a chance to start because Diehl is sorry.

giantsfan420
05-10-2012, 08:32 PM
Thank God, Kevin Gilbride is our offensive coordinatoor instead of a coordinatoor with the Harbaughs' mindset. Gilbride's system works well for a sorry offensive line....the shotgun draw is a deceptive play....lets face it this team can not line up in the I Formation and pound it. Eli Manning is the focal point of this entire offense...his passing attack opens the run from shotgun...and Jerry Reese is relying on this and relying on Eli's durablitiy because no QB takes more shots than Eli.

Sean Lockler is a backup, He will line up as a tight end on certain formations. But has a chance to start because Diehl is sorry.

i kinda agree about lockler. i think he'd be a starting quality RT for a lot of teams in the league. he's certainly capable. but yeah ur point about DD is why i think he'll have a legit shot to start. I think DD will be the last resort. IF Brewer isnt ready, and IF Lockler isnt an upgrade over DD, than DD starts

NYG 5
05-11-2012, 09:24 AM
Diehl played RT in 2004. i can't remember who he replaced, i think it was Barry Stokes or Ian Allen. i reember them being really thin at tackle that year.

he may have played RT in 2003 too.