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RoanokeFan
05-03-2012, 03:03 PM
FOUR NY GIANTS IN PRO FOOTBALL FOCUS TOP 50 (http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/5/3/2996729/new-york-giants-pro-football-focus-top-101-eli-manning-jason-pierre-paul-victor-cruz-hakeem-nicks)

"You probably know by now that NFL Network (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork) is winding its way through its Top 100 players
heading into the 2012 NFL season, as voted on by NFL players. We will talk
enough about that list. Let's talk about another list -- the <a href="https://www.profootballfocus.com/" target="_blank">Pro Football Focus Top
101 of 2011</a>.<div class="entry-body">


PFF says the list was based entirely on 2011 performance. Here are the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-york-giants">New
York Giants</a> on the list:</p>


Hakeem Nicks (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/71294/hakeem-nicks)
(No. 50)</p>


Victor Cruz (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/109584/victor-cruz)
(No. 37)</p>


<a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/108442/jason-pierre-paul">Jason
Pierre-Paul</a> (No. 17)</p>


Eli Manning (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2235/eli-manning) (No.
8) -- PFF's bullet points on Manning are listed below. Here is the full article on Eli (http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/05/03/no-8-eli-manning-qb-new-york-giants), and yes it is a free read.</p>
<ul> His O-line allowed 15 more total pressures than any other in the NFL Led NFL with 69.4% accuracy percentage on snaps under pressure Led NFL in percentage of total pressure that turns into sacks with just
11.5% Best-graded game was the Super Bowl (+8.2) Led NFL in deep attempts (109), completions (43), yards (1,490) on passes
that traveled 20+ yards in the air[/list]


<font size="3">By the way, <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-england-patriots">New England
Patriots</a> quarterback Tom Brady (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1653/tom-brady) was 13th
on the PFF list.Aaron Rodgers (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1977/aaron-rodgers)
of the Green Bay Packers (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/green-bay-packers)
is No. 1 on PFF's list."</font></p></div>

GmenFan1980
05-03-2012, 03:07 PM
No Corey Webster ;( wahhh wahhh

RoanokeFan
05-03-2012, 03:21 PM
No Corey Webster ;( wahhh wahhh

50 is not a very big list in the NFL

GiantPride27
05-03-2012, 03:27 PM
FOUR NY GIANTS IN PRO FOOTBALL FOCUS TOP 50 (http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/5/3/2996729/new-york-giants-pro-football-focus-top-101-eli-manning-jason-pierre-paul-victor-cruz-hakeem-nicks)

"You probably know by now that NFL Network (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork) is winding its way through its Top 100 players
heading into the 2012 NFL season, as voted on by NFL players. We will talk
enough about that list. Let's talk about another list -- the <a href="https://www.profootballfocus.com/" target="_blank">Pro Football Focus Top
101 of 2011</a>.<div class="entry-body">


PFF says the list was based entirely on 2011 performance. Here are the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-york-giants">New
York Giants</a> on the list:</p>


Hakeem Nicks (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/71294/hakeem-nicks)
(No. 50)</p>


Victor Cruz (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/109584/victor-cruz)
(No. 37)</p>


<a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/108442/jason-pierre-paul">Jason
Pierre-Paul</a> (No. 17)</p>


Eli Manning (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2235/eli-manning) (No.
8) -- PFF's bullet points on Manning are listed below. Here is the full article on Eli (http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/05/03/no-8-eli-manning-qb-new-york-giants), and yes it is a free read.</p>
<ul> His O-line allowed 15 more total pressures than any other in the NFL Led NFL with 69.4% accuracy percentage on snaps under pressure Led NFL in percentage of total pressure that turns into sacks with just
11.5% Best-graded game was the Super Bowl (+8.2) Led NFL in deep attempts (109), completions (43), yards (1,490) on passes
that traveled 20+ yards in the air[/list]


<font size="3">By the way, <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-england-patriots">New England
Patriots</a> quarterback Tom Brady (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1653/tom-brady) was 13th
on the PFF list.Aaron Rodgers (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1977/aaron-rodgers)
of the Green Bay Packers (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/green-bay-packers)
is No. 1 on PFF's list."</font></p></div>

Im sorry I LOVE CRUZ but he is in no way better than Nicks.

Yes he had a great season. alot had to do with noone expecting him and continuing to double cover nicks and nicks still had a really good season.

untill Cruz does this year in and year out he cant be up that far ahead of nick. id switch the two.

Nicks is so Underrated in this league

RoanokeFan
05-03-2012, 03:42 PM
FOUR NY GIANTS IN PRO FOOTBALL FOCUS TOP 50 (http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/5/3/2996729/new-york-giants-pro-football-focus-top-101-eli-manning-jason-pierre-paul-victor-cruz-hakeem-nicks)

"You probably know by now that NFL Network (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork) is winding its way through its Top 100 players
heading into the 2012 NFL season, as voted on by NFL players. We will talk
enough about that list. Let's talk about another list -- the <a href="https://www.profootballfocus.com/" target="_blank">Pro Football Focus Top
101 of 2011</a>.<div class="entry-body">


PFF says the list was based entirely on 2011 performance. Here are the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-york-giants">New
York Giants</a> on the list:</p>


Hakeem Nicks (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/71294/hakeem-nicks)
(No. 50)</p>


Victor Cruz (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/109584/victor-cruz)
(No. 37)</p>


<a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/108442/jason-pierre-paul">Jason
Pierre-Paul</a> (No. 17)</p>


Eli Manning (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2235/eli-manning) (No.
8) -- PFF's bullet points on Manning are listed below. Here is the full article on Eli (http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/05/03/no-8-eli-manning-qb-new-york-giants), and yes it is a free read.</p>
<ul> His O-line allowed 15 more total pressures than any other in the NFL Led NFL with 69.4% accuracy percentage on snaps under pressure Led NFL in percentage of total pressure that turns into sacks with just
11.5% Best-graded game was the Super Bowl (+8.2) Led NFL in deep attempts (109), completions (43), yards (1,490) on passes
that traveled 20+ yards in the air[/list]


<font size="3">By the way, <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-england-patriots">New England
Patriots</a> quarterback Tom Brady (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1653/tom-brady) was 13th
on the PFF list.Aaron Rodgers (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1977/aaron-rodgers)
of the Green Bay Packers (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/green-bay-packers)
is No. 1 on PFF's list."</font></p></div>

Im sorry I LOVE CRUZ but he is in no way better than Nicks.

Yes he had a great season. alot had to do with noone expecting him and continuing to double cover nicks and nicks still had a really good season.

untill Cruz does this year in and year out he cant be up that far ahead of nick. id switch the two.

Nicks is so Underrated in this league

This was based ONLY on 2011. He is simply being recognized for that one year. He came pretty close to leading the NFL in yards. As is was he came in at # 3.

I prefer to think it's pretty cool to have 4 players on a 50 player list.

Kruunch
05-03-2012, 03:55 PM
Im sorry I LOVE CRUZ but he is in no way better than Nicks.



He was in 2011.

Kruunch
05-03-2012, 03:56 PM
I prefer to think it's pretty cool to have 4 players on a 50 player list.


Extremely. [b]

(can you imagine being a Browns fan? yeeeesh)

Dorothy
05-03-2012, 05:13 PM
FOUR NY GIANTS IN PRO FOOTBALL FOCUS TOP 50 (http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/5/3/2996729/new-york-giants-pro-football-focus-top-101-eli-manning-jason-pierre-paul-victor-cruz-hakeem-nicks)

"You probably know by now that NFL Network (http://www.nfl.com/nflnetwork) is winding its way through its Top 100 players
heading into the 2012 NFL season, as voted on by NFL players. We will talk

I agree with what you say.So why even bring this to our boards?
who cares what some other people think are the BEST. We have the ring to prove who is the best.
enough about that list. Let's talk about another list -- the <a href="https://www.profootballfocus.com/" target="_blank">Pro Football Focus Top
101 of 2011</a>.<div class="entry-body">


PFF says the list was based entirely on 2011 performance. Here are the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-york-giants">New
York Giants</a> on the list:</p>


Hakeem Nicks (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/71294/hakeem-nicks)
(No. 50)</p>


Victor Cruz (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/109584/victor-cruz)
(No. 37)</p>


<a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/108442/jason-pierre-paul">Jason
Pierre-Paul</a> (No. 17)</p>


Eli Manning (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2235/eli-manning) (No.
8) -- PFF's bullet points on Manning are listed below. Here is the full article on Eli (http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/05/03/no-8-eli-manning-qb-new-york-giants), and yes it is a free read.</p>
<ul> His O-line allowed 15 more total pressures than any other in the NFL Led NFL with 69.4% accuracy percentage on snaps under pressure Led NFL in percentage of total pressure that turns into sacks with just
11.5% Best-graded game was the Super Bowl (+8.2) Led NFL in deep attempts (109), completions (43), yards (1,490) on passes
that traveled 20+ yards in the air[/list]


<font size="3">By the way, <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-england-patriots">New England
Patriots</a> quarterback Tom Brady (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1653/tom-brady) was 13th
on the PFF list.Aaron Rodgers (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1977/aaron-rodgers)
of the Green Bay Packers (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/green-bay-packers)
is No. 1 on PFF's list."</font></p></div>

Im sorry I LOVE CRUZ but he is in no way better than Nicks.

Yes he had a great season. alot had to do with noone expecting him and continuing to double cover nicks and nicks still had a really good season.

untill Cruz does this year in and year out he cant be up that far ahead of nick. id switch the two.

Nicks is so Underrated in this league

giantsfan420
05-03-2012, 05:23 PM
when u put it on paper, some how elis season becomes even more impressive. i cant think of a qb meaning as much to the teams success as eli, and the manner in which he did it, amazing.

one thing i look forward to, is that our offense went 20 yards or more thru the air more than any other offense. that should help us tremendously next season with opening up underneath stuff for the pass and run. a guy like JJ who will hopefully pan out like cruz, and make a living with all the space underneath, could be a big part of our success.

a guy like wilson who can turn 5 yds of space underneath into big td runs or catches is huge.

eli is the epitome of mvp elite players; he makes those around him much better. hell, he made our OL look better than they were. the amount of pressure and type of pressure they allowed to defenses usually buries any offense, all eli and co did was make the offense one of the most dynamic, dangerous of them all, and it led us to a SB...

all eli does is get better each and every season. its as certain as taxes and death...and that spells disaster for opposition bc improving on the kind of play that eli gave us last season is impossible to imagine...

but i also am rethinking things a little. eli was able to turn in a performance like he did last season under immense pressure, all the time. JR should make his next roster agenda to provide eli with a top of the line OL. great, we got a qb who plays at amazingly high, effecient, elite levels with garbage OL play, lets not depend on that...lets not depend on eli being made of teflon or some indestructible material...

but dang, its extremely gratifying and joyous to see the possibility and potential in a player like eli when we first got him to reach the levels he has shown the past few seasons and for him to finally realize it

giantsfan420
05-03-2012, 05:28 PM
and before the SB game, i made a thread about how eli would have one of the greatest SB performance of all time...

and when u read about how the success he had came under the pressure and situation he did, and how he was at his absolute best under pressure, while being blitzed...75% completion percentage, 300 yards, a td...vs a BB led defense that had 2 weeks to prepare...while right now most wont consider it one of the greatest sb performances of all time, i believe people will look back on it and rank it among the best ever, it certainly warrants it

Mr Excitement
05-03-2012, 05:47 PM
No Corey Webster ;( wahhh wahhh

50 is not a very big list in the NFL



EXACTLY!

RoanokeFan
05-03-2012, 05:58 PM
No Corey Webster ;( wahhh wahhh

50 is not a very big list in the NFL



EXACTLY!

With Brady at 13, can we count our blessing that this is not the Patriot's MB? [:S]

G-G-GMen420
05-03-2012, 06:31 PM
Not to mention he had some kind of completion record to start a SB game ..... I think?

That's just icing on that cake!

Really is gratifying to see him have that season I've been a. " Eli head" since 04 and had to defend him from everyone including Giants fans

That season as a whole is one of the best I can remember from any QB IMO!

DragonSoul
05-03-2012, 06:34 PM
Thats the problem on most lists. Most don't explain what the criteria that they are using..

allentown PA
05-03-2012, 06:46 PM
Im sorry I LOVE CRUZ but he is in no way better than Nicks.



He was in 2011.

depends on what you go by..nicks was doubled all year and still put up numbers..IMO he was a major reason for Cruz's big year, take nothing away from Victor he was great but we all saw what Nicks did in the playoffs, he is the better player and its not that close really.

giantsfan420
05-03-2012, 06:47 PM
Not to mention he had some kind of completion record to start a SB game ..... I think?

That's just icing on that cake!

Really is gratifying to see him have that season I've been a. " Eli head" since 04 and had to defend him from everyone including Giants fans

That season as a whole is one of the best I can remember from any QB IMO!

well said. i cant think a qb playing at a higher level than eli played last season.

THE_New_York_Giants
05-03-2012, 06:51 PM
when u put it on paper, some how elis season becomes even more impressive. i cant think of a qb meaning as much to the teams success as eli, and the manner in which he did it, amazing.

one thing i look forward to, is that our offense went 20 yards or more thru the air more than any other offense. that should help us tremendously next season with opening up underneath stuff for the pass and run. a guy like JJ who will hopefully pan out like cruz, and make a living with all the space underneath, could be a big part of our success.

a guy like wilson who can turn 5 yds of space underneath into big td runs or catches is huge.

eli is the epitome of mvp elite players; he makes those around him much better. hell, he made our OL look better than they were. the amount of pressure and type of pressure they allowed to defenses usually buries any offense, all eli and co did was make the offense one of the most dynamic, dangerous of them all, and it led us to a SB...

all eli does is get better each and every season. its as certain as taxes and death...and that spells disaster for opposition bc improving on the kind of play that eli gave us last season is impossible to imagine...

but i also am rethinking things a little. eli was able to turn in a performance like he did last season under immense pressure, all the time. JR should make his next roster agenda to provide eli with a top of the line OL. great, we got a qb who plays at amazingly high, effecient, elite levels with garbage OL play, lets not depend on that...lets not depend on eli being made of teflon or some indestructible material...

but dang, its extremely gratifying and joyous to see the possibility and potential in a player like eli when we first got him to reach the levels he has shown the past few seasons and for him to finally realize it
The only other QB that means as much to his team was Peyton. We saw what Indy was without Peyton. If he can be half of what he was in Indy, Denver wil be great.

RoanokeFan
05-03-2012, 08:25 PM
Im sorry I LOVE CRUZ but he is in no way better than Nicks.



He was in 2011.

depends on what you go by..nicks was doubled all year and still put up numbers..IMO he was a major reason for Cruz's big year, take nothing away from Victor he was great but we all saw what Nicks did in the playoffs, he is the better player and its not that close really.

And the way to look at this is to understand how difficult it's going to be for defenses to TCB with Eli, Nicks and Cruz on the field for most plays. Here is where the # 3 receiver and TE become crtical to our success in the passing game. Yes, having a stronger running game would be a huge plus as well.

NY_Eli
05-03-2012, 08:59 PM
No Corey Webster ;( wahhh wahhh

50 is not a very big list in the NFL



EXACTLY!

With Brady at 13, can we count our blessing that this is not the Patriot's MB?** [:S]


+10000

Redeyejedi
05-03-2012, 09:42 PM
No Corey Webster ;( wahhh wahhh

50 is not a very big list in the NFL
Not even a full Roster