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nevada11
05-03-2012, 06:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV9atmvz9eM

I forgot how much of a beast he used too be! What happened to this run defense he showed in that video? Did it disappear with age? that would make no sense

does osi have anything left in the tank to play at this high of a level ever again?

giantsfan420
05-03-2012, 06:32 PM
the thing is, is how does that osi compare to the JPP we have right now?

I believe Osi can continually be one of the best pass rushing specialists in the league. if he could only understand the situation a little better, he could turn in 3 or 4 or maybe even more years of top line play of what is asked of him.

i dont know why osi has his ups and downs vs the run. maybe its his outlook on his situation. he must know sacks, FF, pressures is whats garnishing big paydays, and we all know thats his #1 goal, so maybe he's placing his emphasis and attention on that, and not as much as the run...who knows.

its certainly favorable for the giants to have a guy like JPP offset Osi's ransom and demands tho. but good link and good post

JesseJames
05-03-2012, 06:39 PM
I think part of Osi's problem is that he was mentored by Michael Strahan who was always looking for more money and bigger paydays and holding out if necessary, seems like he learned his lessons well.

G-Men Surg.
05-03-2012, 06:53 PM
5 years, bum knees with meniscus damages ( 2 knee surgeries ) bum ankles, he's still a beast but father time has taken a toll on Osi.

THE_New_York_Giants
05-03-2012, 07:01 PM
I think part of Osi's problem is that he was mentored by Michael Strahan who was always looking for more money and bigger paydays and holding out if necessary, seems like he learned his lessons well.
Strahan was always kind of a diva, but I love what he's done after his career ended. He loves the Giants organization and is probably one of the Giants' biggest fans. I think Tiki might also kind of regret what he did, and I don't blame Tiki for being pissed about it. Maybe he could have handled it better, but he was unhappy with his job and his bosses and he quit and *****ed about it. I'm sure some people on this board have done that. He's not like Parcells who is afraid to show his face at Giants stadium (even though he gets thunderous applause at all recognition he gets there even though he screwed the Giants over worse than Tiki ever could have). Every time the organization invites Tiki out for an event or something, he goes.

RoanokeFan
05-03-2012, 07:05 PM
I think part of Osi's problem is that he was mentored by Michael Strahan who was always looking for more money and bigger paydays and holding out if necessary, seems like he learned his lessons well.
Strahan was always kind of a diva, but I love what he's done after his career ended. He loves the Giants organization and is probably one of the Giants' biggest fans. I think Tiki might also kind of regret what he did, and I don't blame Tiki for being pissed about it. Maybe he could have handled it better, but he was unhappy with his job and his bosses and he quit and *****ed about it. I'm sure some people on this board have done that. He's not like Parcells who is afraid to show his face at Giants stadium (even though he gets thunderous applause at all recognition he gets there even though he screwed the Giants over worse than Tiki ever could have). Every time the organization invites Tiki out for an event or something, he goes.

Strahan was a diva? What is your definition of a diva?

THE_New_York_Giants
05-03-2012, 07:09 PM
I think part of Osi's problem is that he was mentored by Michael Strahan who was always looking for more money and bigger paydays and holding out if necessary, seems like he learned his lessons well.
Strahan was always kind of a diva, but I love what he's done after his career ended. He loves the Giants organization and is probably one of the Giants' biggest fans. I think Tiki might also kind of regret what he did, and I don't blame Tiki for being pissed about it. Maybe he could have handled it better, but he was unhappy with his job and his bosses and he quit and *****ed about it. I'm sure some people on this board have done that. He's not like Parcells who is afraid to show his face at Giants stadium (even though he gets thunderous applause at all recognition he gets there even though he screwed the Giants over worse than Tiki ever could have). Every time the organization invites Tiki out for an event or something, he goes.

Strahan was a diva?* What is your definition of a diva?

He was an offseason diva. Back in 2000 or 2002 when his whole contract thing went down... He played his balls off, don't get me wrong, but he had a me first attitude for much of his career. In fact, I didn't really see him as a great teammate and leader until the 2007 season. Remember the whole "ballin'" thing? That was ****y diva stuff. I loved Strahan, and I never thought he was a cancer to the team, but he was ever so slightly a diva.

Gimaniac
05-03-2012, 07:16 PM
does osi have anything left in the tank to play at this high of a level ever again?

No, but he is awesome at what he did last year. The problem is, he wants to get paid for how he played 5 years ago.

Neverend
05-03-2012, 08:05 PM
Getting sick and tired of people saying osi sux in run defense...

TuckYou
05-03-2012, 08:40 PM
5 years, bum knees with meniscus damages ( 2 knee surgeries ) bum ankles, he's still a beast but father time has taken a toll on Osi.

Ya know, I really think you guys are spoiled. OSI is still a beast when he has his health. Osi could start on 31 other teams.

NYG4lifeNYK
05-03-2012, 09:55 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV9atmvz9eM

I forgot how much of a beast he used too be! What happened to this run defense he showed in that video? Did it disappear with age? that would make no sense

does osi have anything left in the tank to play at this high of a level ever again?

With all due respect you're an idiot.... did you forget last season?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nlKDo_m694 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nlKDo_m694)

giantsfan420
05-03-2012, 10:00 PM
Getting sick and tired of people saying osi sux in run defense...

Fine, its a belief you keep to yourself personally. But if thats the case, dont see why you went out of your way to say this.

That sounds more like you believing that person is wrong, thus making you vulnerable to any argument, more than you just having only a different opinion and voicing it separately

nhpgiantsfan
05-03-2012, 10:29 PM
Having three "stud" DE's has been the recipe for 2 SuperBowls. I just hope they don't forget that. Keep Osi at all costs. Kiwi is not the answer at DE, either.

giantsfan420
05-03-2012, 10:36 PM
Having three "stud" DE's has been the recipe for 2 SuperBowls.* I just hope they don't forget that.* Keep Osi at all costs.* Kiwi is not the answer at DE, either.

i agree with ur first part. but i disagree w ur point bout kiwi. if need be, he'd be a fine rotational pass rusher.
its been so long ago that he was strictly a de, so its easy to forget. but he had games where he showed a ton of potential...he even had a few "JPP" games...3 sacks vs washington or philly, i forget which...the one season before he went on IR, he was leading the d in sacks...part of me wishes we coulda seen how the Kiwi at DE situation went, but i also love the versatillity of his game to where he can play LB and DE, and do both well

Neverend
05-03-2012, 10:45 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV9atmvz9eM

I forgot how much of a beast he used too be! What happened to this run defense he showed in that video? Did it disappear with age? that would make no sense

does osi have anything left in the tank to play at this high of a level ever again?

With all due respect you're an idiot.... did you forget last season?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nlKDo_m694 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nlKDo_m694)


Damn, Osi is a friggin beast. It always seems like its the trendy thing to **** on him, but I think the criticism he gets sometimes is unwarranted. Ignoring 2009, the last two years osi has willingly played the run very well under fewell

Neverend
05-03-2012, 10:48 PM
Getting sick and tired of people saying osi sux in run defense...

Fine, its a belief you keep to yourself personally. But if thats the case, dont see why you went out of your way to say this.

That sounds more like you believing that person is wrong, thus making you vulnerable to any argument, more than you just having only a different opinion and voicing it separately

This is unbelievable... now you're going to troll me with this? That statement really offended you man?

giantsfan420
05-03-2012, 10:49 PM
Getting sick and tired of people saying osi sux in run defense...

Fine, its a belief you keep to yourself personally. But if thats the case, dont see why you went out of your way to say this.

That sounds more like you believing that person is wrong, thus making you vulnerable to any argument, more than you just having only a different opinion and voicing it separately

This is unbelievable... now you're going to troll me with this? That statement really offended you man?

so when u say it to me, its a-ok. but using the same exact wording to u, its trolling? oh ok, at least ur consistent. this statement really offends you?

bearbryant
05-03-2012, 11:22 PM
Very good point, JJ. Osi was MS's boy and its obvious that he has learned a bunch from Michael. He's made a career of the strip sack. He's arguably the best at it. But lets not think that the Mara's will open up the piggy bank the way he wants it opened.

giantsfan420
05-03-2012, 11:23 PM
Very good point, JJ. Osi was MS's boy and its obvious that he has learned a bunch from Michael. He's made a career of the strip sack. He's arguably the best at it. But lets not think that the Mara's will open up the piggy bank the way he wants it opened.

i just hope that osi isnt to JPP what stray was to Osi

nevada11
05-03-2012, 11:39 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV9atmvz9eM

I forgot how much of a beast he used too be! What happened to this run defense he showed in that video? Did it disappear with age? that would make no sense

does osi have anything left in the tank to play at this high of a level ever again?

With all due respect you're an idiot.... did you forget last season?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nlKDo_m694 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nlKDo_m694)


How am I an idiot? What the hell is your problem? Was the personal attack necessary?

edit: that video makes me an idiot? the HELL? it was a highlight video big deal. i still think 07 osi is better than 2011 and 2010 osi. but that makes me an idiot! YEA!

nhpgiantsfan
05-03-2012, 11:56 PM
Very good point, JJ. Osi was MS's boy and its obvious that he has learned a bunch from Michael. He's made a career of the strip sack. He's arguably the best at it. But lets not think that the Mara's will open up the piggy bank the way he wants it opened. i just hope that osi isnt to JPP what stray was to Osi</P>


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I hear ya, JPP was quoted last week saying if he was in Osi's position that he would be doing the same thing..... I was actually shocked that JPP's quote didnt get alot of attention here on the boards, but it was definately in one of the Osi articles that RF posted.</P>

Neverend
05-03-2012, 11:56 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TV9atmvz9eM

I forgot how much of a beast he used too be! What happened to this run defense he showed in that video? Did it disappear with age? that would make no sense

does osi have anything left in the tank to play at this high of a level ever again?

With all due respect you're an idiot.... did you forget last season?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nlKDo_m694 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nlKDo_m694)


How am I an idiot? What the hell is your problem? Was the personal attack necessary?

edit: that video makes me an idiot? the HELL? it was a highlight video big deal. i still think 07 osi is better than 2011 and 2010 osi. but that makes me an idiot! YEA!

Yeah I think Osi was better in run defense those days. however nearly half of sacks in 2007 came infamously in one game. 2010 and 2011 were much more balanced at least, looking at it a different way

giantsfan420
05-04-2012, 12:00 AM
Very good point, JJ. Osi was MS's boy and its obvious that he has learned a bunch from Michael. He's made a career of the strip sack. He's arguably the best at it. But lets not think that the Mara's will open up the piggy bank the way he wants it opened. i just hope that osi isnt to JPP what stray was to Osi</P>


*</P>


I hear ya, JPP was quoted last week saying if he was in Osi's position that he would be doing the same thing.....* I was actually shocked that JPP's quote didnt get alot of attention here on the boards, but it was definately in one of the Osi articles that RF posted.</P>

i think its cause no one wants to see JPP act like osi in any way and hope its just him offering support for a teammate...

but yeah i remember the article and he def. did say it...its a tough situation with osi, he's amazing at the pass rush, but he also is causing a bunch of drama off the field...

Neverend
05-04-2012, 12:05 AM
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Forget it, it isnt worth it

giantsfan420
05-04-2012, 12:18 AM
LMFAO

NY_Eli
05-04-2012, 12:49 AM
I hear ya, JPP was quoted last week saying if he was in Osi's position that he would be doing the same thing.....*</P>

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-GJrvfChO8rw/T2t8383XpOI/AAAAAAAAA20/ZiUrQdfKCcw/s1600/mark-wahlberg-shocked-gif.gif

SweetZombieJesus
05-04-2012, 07:52 AM
He was an offseason diva. Back in 2000 or 2002 when his whole contract thing went down... He played his balls off, don't get me wrong, but he had a me first attitude for much of his career. In fact, I didn't really see him as a great teammate and leader until the 2007 season. Remember the whole "ballin'" thing? That was ****y diva stuff. I loved Strahan, and I never thought he was a cancer to the team, but he was ever so slightly a diva.

He was also one of the veterans highly upset when they drafted Eli, partly out of loyalty to Kerry Collins, partly out of a desire to not stick around for a rebuild. That whining brought in Kurt Warner to shut them up.

BK07071
05-04-2012, 10:01 AM
o you mean

I think part of Osi's problem is that he was mentored by Michael Strahan who was always looking for more money and bigger paydays and holding out if necessary, seems like he learned his lessons well.
Strahan was always kind of a diva, but I love what he's done after his career ended. He loves the Giants organization and is probably one of the Giants' biggest fans. I think Tiki might also kind of regret what he did, and I don't blame Tiki for being pissed about it. Maybe he could have handled it better, but he was unhappy with his job and his bosses and he quit and *****ed about it. I'm sure some people on this board have done that. He's not like Parcells who is afraid to show his face at Giants stadium (even though he gets thunderous applause at all recognition he gets there even though he screwed the Giants over worse than Tiki ever could have). Every time the organization invites Tiki out for an event or something, he goes.


What did you mean when you mentioned that Parcells screwed the Giants over? What did he do to the Giants?

GiantPride27
05-04-2012, 11:28 AM
I think part of Osi's problem is that he was mentored by Michael Strahan who was always looking for more money and bigger paydays and holding out if necessary, seems like he learned his lessons well.

Strahan held out for more money and bigger pay days but he also deserved them more. Strahan is 10 times the player osi is.

Strahan was a Better pass rusher. monster against the run. Vocal leader. one of the greatest DEs in the history of the NFL

Osi is a top teir Pass Rusher. thats it. & top teir not the best in the league. Hes great at one thing. injured consistantly. causes more trouble with his mouth. and is soft as baby **** at the point of attack

UNCOMPARABLE

nhpgiantsfan
05-04-2012, 12:11 PM
Strahan is my all time favorite Giant and I will probably get killed for this, but I am not so sure he was a better pass rusher than Osi. It's real close anyway. Obviously Osi doesn't have that big 20+ sack season, but he explodes of the snap as good as anyone in the league.

nevada11
05-04-2012, 12:38 PM
LMFAO

Can you please leave your immature posts out of this thread? Whatever problems you have with other posters dont spam this discussion by harassing others. Learn how to be respectful. If you don't want to talk about Osi, then leave, got it? Thank you

nevada11
05-04-2012, 12:39 PM
He was an offseason diva. Back in 2000 or 2002 when his whole contract thing went down... He played his balls off, don't get me wrong, but he had a me first attitude for much of his career. In fact, I didn't really see him as a great teammate and leader until the 2007 season. Remember the whole "ballin'" thing? That was ****y diva stuff. I loved Strahan, and I never thought he was a cancer to the team, but he was ever so slightly a diva.

He was also one of the veterans highly upset when they drafted Eli, partly out of loyalty to Kerry Collins, partly out of a desire to not stick around for a rebuild.* That whining brought in Kurt Warner to shut them up.


I had totally forgotten about that

even when stray held out in 07... people hated him them too. its easy to forget his personality when we ride into the sunset with a superbowl

G-Man67
05-04-2012, 02:02 PM
I think part of Osi's problem is that he was mentored by Michael Strahan who was always looking for more money and bigger paydays and holding out if necessary, seems like he learned his lessons well.</P>


good point and that is good for us, b/c Mike always played as Osi did last year and will this year</P>


also, at the end of Mike's career his motivation was more about avoiding extra work than money ... he knew how much time he needed to be ready and to make it thru the season and he showed up when he was ready</P>

nevada11
05-05-2012, 01:22 PM
I think part of Osi's problem is that he was mentored by Michael Strahan who was always looking for more money and bigger paydays and holding out if necessary, seems like he learned his lessons well.</P>


good point and that is good for us, b/c Mike always played as Osi did last year and will this year</P>


also, at the end of Mike's career his motivation was more about avoiding extra work than money ... he knew how much time he needed to be ready and to make it thru the season and he showed up when he was ready</P>

who needs practice?

-plax

JacksGiant76
05-05-2012, 05:31 PM
Osi is a one trick pony, I don't understand why people try to make him out to be any more than that. Pass rush specialist, that's it.

gmen46
05-05-2012, 06:55 PM
Osi is a one trick pony, I don't understand why people try to make him out to be any more than that. Pass rush specialist, that's it.


"He only catches touchdowns"---Buddy Ryan, after announcing Chris Carter was released from the Eagles.

Dismissing Osi as "pass rush specialist, that's it" is just as stunningly oblivious.

The "one trick pony" that is Osi does more for his team than 80-90% of all other pass rushers--no matter how many tricks--in the NFL.

An understanding of what the terms "one trick pony", and "specialist" may be in order here before being so dismissive of a player's value to his team.