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Ntegrase96
05-05-2012, 03:20 PM
Kind of boring around here so I thought I'd start a fun debate.

Victor Cruz had 82 catches, 1,532 yards, 9 touchdowns in 2011

Miles Austin had 81 catches, 1,320 yards, and 11 touchdowns in 2009

Both were Rookie Free Agents if I'm not mistaken, so that's why there is the comparison.

A quick glance at the numbers is in favor of Cruz, but who do you think was better in their respective year.

Also, do you think Cruz will replicate his success in future seasons?

Go!

WR4Life
05-05-2012, 03:25 PM
How many games did Miles Austin play in? I feel like that year it was a lot of big games in the second half if I remember correctly. I know Cruz basically didn't do anything the first 3 games this year before he went off.

WR4Life
05-05-2012, 03:29 PM
Just checked. Miles Austin didn't really do anything the first 4 games that year either. Then he went off with the big 250 yard game

Ntegrase96
05-05-2012, 03:31 PM
Right.

Both players came on a little late because they were down in the depth chart. Cruz burst on to the scene against Philly which I think was week 3, while Austin had a pretty decent showing in the first game against Tampa, but didn't start until Kansas City which was week 4.

Both players had big game winning catches late in games to help secure the division.

Roswell777
05-05-2012, 03:38 PM
Not sure about when Austin made his big plays but Cruz was huge against Philly and Dallas which has to count for a lot.

Ntegrase96
05-05-2012, 03:51 PM
Not sure about when Austin made his big plays but Cruz was huge against Philly and Dallas which has to count for a lot.

Austin's highlights

October/Kansas City: 250 yard game with a game tying touchdown and game winning touchdown in overtime. Most reception yards in Cowboys history for a single game. e

Novermber: 49 yard game winning touchdown against Philadelphia with 8 minutes left in the fourth quarter to take the division early, Only catch of the game.

December: New Orleans-- 7 catches 139 yards, 1 touchdown.
Biggest play: Late in the forth quarter when the Cowboys lead diminished to only a touchdown after being up 24-3, 3rd and 7 from our own 23, Miles Austin had a 32 yard catch on a slant pass. Helped remove time from the clock to secure the win.

Philadelphia late: 14 catches, 172 yards, 1 touchdown to help the Cowboys smack Philadelphia in the final game of the season and to win the wild card round the very next week

I'm sure there were more, but I can't think of anything bigger than that at the moment.

I'm only a little familiar with Cruz resume from last year. Big game against Philly early, big performance against NYJ. And the one negative where he tipped an interception into the hands of a seattle defender to essentially end the game. But monster stats and huge, huge impact for the giants. Possibly the most important player outside of JPP.

gmen46
05-05-2012, 06:36 PM
Kind of boring around here so I thought I'd start a fun debate.

Victor Cruz had 82 catches, 1,532 yards, 9 touchdowns in 2011

Miles Austin had 81 catches, 1,320 yards, and 11 touchdowns in 2009

Both were Rookie Free Agents if I'm not mistaken, so that's why there is the comparison.

A quick glance at the numbers is in favor of Cruz, but who do you think was better in their respective year.

Also, do you think Cruz will replicate his success in future seasons?

Go!


I'd say that Austin's 09 season and Cruz' 11 season were very close in terms of impact upon their respective teams as well as their real close stats.

However, Cruz exploded on the scene for the Giants in virtually his first year in the league (he went on IR after week 3 of his rookie year, after being on the field in only 1 or 2 plays, total), whereas Austin did not until his fourth year. That immediate impact makes Cruz' 2011 accomplishments more impressively exceed Austin's 09 season, in my opinion.

Cruz had no rookie season, and no off season in 2011, to perfect his play before being unexpectedly thrust into the role of slot receiver after we lost Smith--one of the best slot receivers in the league until he went down mid-season of 2010-- the month prior to season opener.

Cruz not only "adequately" filled the position no one in the organization, as the season began, believed could be adequately filled, he went on to set the franchise record--86 years in the NFL-- for receiving yards.

Miles had 3 full seasons and 3 complete off seasons to perfect his play. Plus, he hasn't matched his 09 season in the 2 seasons since.

Also Cruz' TD celebration dance caught fire. What is Austin's celebration................I can't recall.....................? :)

And, yes, I absolutely believe Cruz will continue his success--certainly for as long as he has Eli as his QB, at the very least.

Ntegrase96
05-05-2012, 10:46 PM
True. I remember watching Cruz in the preseason of 2010 and thinking he was a pretty good find. Didn't know that he got injured.

Austin took more time to develop and relies much more on tact than Cruz who seems to have more moxie.

Which kind of goes hand and hand with why he wasn't a big factor before 2009. I mean, the guy was behind Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, and reliable Patrick Crayton, and was much more of a project receiver-- like I said, he relies on what he's learned rather than what he possessed already. Austin, too suffered a lower leg injury in the presason of 2008, when he looked like he was becoming a monster.

I like Austin because he's a good story and a Cowboy, so I'll stick up for him a little with 'reproducing his 2009 season'--

Miles Austin's game relies on Tony Romo. Their timing and rapport is what makes Austin dangerous. And in 2010, Austin had 3 140+ yard games before Romo went down for the season in the 6th game of the season. In 2011, Austin had injury problems, but had a strong showing early against two great defensive teams in NYJ and SF. (233 yards and 4 TDs)... then the hamstring issues started late against San Fran in week 2.

I really don't doubt that Austin can replicate his 2009 season. He and Romo just need to be healthy to do it.

And as far as the dancing goes, Austin's almost dunk, and circle around the FG post was much better than anything Cruz has ever done... not really, but that's all I got.

NYGRealityCheck
05-05-2012, 11:20 PM
Miles Austin's stats in 2009 were a bit padded while playing against Sheridan's failure defense... twice...

Victor Cruz by a long shot....

Ntegrase96
05-05-2012, 11:33 PM
Miles Austin's stats in 2009 were a bit padded while playing against Sheridan's failure defense... twice...

Victor Cruz by a long shot....


hahahaha. Couldn't we say the same about Cruz versus the cowboys porous defense last year?

gmen46
05-06-2012, 03:13 AM
True. I remember watching Cruz in the preseason of 2010 and thinking he was a pretty good find. Didn't know that he got injured.

Austin took more time to develop and relies much more on tact than Cruz who seems to have more moxie.

Which kind of goes hand and hand with why he wasn't a big factor before 2009. I mean, the guy was behind Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, and reliable Patrick Crayton, and was much more of a project receiver-- like I said, he relies on what he's learned rather than what he possessed already. Austin, too suffered a lower leg injury in the presason of 2008, when he looked like he was becoming a monster.

I like Austin because he's a good story and a Cowboy, so I'll stick up for him a little with 'reproducing his 2009 season'--

Miles Austin's game relies on Tony Romo. Their timing and rapport is what makes Austin dangerous. And in 2010, Austin had 3 140+ yard games before Romo went down for the season in the 6th game of the season. In 2011, Austin had injury problems, but had a strong showing early against two great defensive teams in NYJ and SF. (233 yards and 4 TDs)... then the hamstring issues started late against San Fran in week 2.

I really don't doubt that Austin can replicate his 2009 season. He and Romo just need to be healthy to do it.

And as far as the dancing goes, Austin's almost dunk, and circle around the FG post was much better than anything Cruz has ever done... not really, but that's all I got.

Don't get me wrong. I think Miles is a very dangerous receiver. (I fear him more than Dez, truth be told).

But your question concerned comparing a different season for each player, and I believe Cruz comes out a bit ahead. We'll see how their careers pan out. Two very good-to-great receivers, in a wide receiver-rich division.

nycsportzfan
05-06-2012, 06:43 AM
Kind of boring around here so I thought I'd start a fun debate.

Victor Cruz had 82 catches, 1,532 yards, 9 touchdowns in 2011

Miles Austin had 81 catches, 1,320 yards, and 11 touchdowns in 2009

Both were Rookie Free Agents if I'm not mistaken, so that's why there is the comparison.

A quick glance at the numbers is in favor of Cruz, but who do you think was better in their respective year.

Also, do you think Cruz will replicate his success in future seasons?

Go!
I actually think Cruz is gonna do better this yr.. Hes now going into the season as a starter, and has a defined role, and a good heap of expierence with Eli and the team.. I think Cruz gets 100catches this yr.. 100recept 1500yr 10td...

SweetZombieJesus
05-06-2012, 10:18 AM
I remember being jealous that a local undrafted prospect turns out that way for A-Rod, I mean Miles. Worse that it's for Dallas. We got it back in spades with Cruz.

But I'll say what I've said since Cruz's freakish preseason game in 2010 -- there's something in him that just can't be coached or taught... He's got flypaper hands, a supernatural sense of the ball in space, and an "it" factor that can't be accounted for. It's not just a comparison against Austin, it's a comparison against anybody.

Non-fans probably saw more of him later in the season and the playoffs, and you could see him being progressively coached up as the season progressed; but I'm talking about things like the first Philly game (making the two defenders run into each other, and snatching a TD in double coverage) or the Jets game (that 99 yard TD in double coverage), the volleyball catch against Seattle. You just can't account for that, that's the "it" factor I'm talking about. An ability to elude and make defenders miss... Barry Sanders is the only comparison I can draw.

As you can tell I'm a big fan.

Like JPP, he's a guy who is big on raw talent who is just learning to play the game at the NFL level. I'm sure time and injuries over the years will slow him down, and we'll see more "textbook" play and less of the supernatural... But I think the two of them will have careers that parallel each other and us Giants fans are in store for a few more years of unexplainable plays.

Remind me if Austin made any plays like this, Cruz made about 6-10:

http://gifsoup.com/view3/3568954/victor-cruz-coleman-asmougah-o.gif

http://rantsports.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/philadelphia-eagles/files/2012/03/victor-cruz.jpg

Axels15
05-06-2012, 12:10 PM
Cruz pretty much was the offense for the Jets game, so I think I give it to him

PoloGroundsFan
05-06-2012, 01:19 PM
Cruz's 99 harder against the Jets started the Giants run to the SB. I do not remember the Cowboys winning a single playoff game in Austin's year. Case closed it is Cruzzzz!

Ntegrase96
05-06-2012, 06:30 PM
Cruz's 99 harder against the Jets started the Giants run to the SB. I do not remember the Cowboys winning a single playoff game in Austin's year. Case closed it is Cruzzzz!

Wildcard game?

But overall you have a fair point. Cruz was on a superbowl winning team and helped contribute to the run.

Ntegrase96
05-06-2012, 06:39 PM
True. I remember watching Cruz in the preseason of 2010 and thinking he was a pretty good find. Didn't know that he got injured.

Austin took more time to develop and relies much more on tact than Cruz who seems to have more moxie.

Which kind of goes hand and hand with why he wasn't a big factor before 2009. I mean, the guy was behind Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, and reliable Patrick Crayton, and was much more of a project receiver-- like I said, he relies on what he's learned rather than what he possessed already. Austin, too suffered a lower leg injury in the presason of 2008, when he looked like he was becoming a monster.

I like Austin because he's a good story and a Cowboy, so I'll stick up for him a little with 'reproducing his 2009 season'--

Miles Austin's game relies on Tony Romo. Their timing and rapport is what makes Austin dangerous. And in 2010, Austin had 3 140+ yard games before Romo went down for the season in the 6th game of the season. In 2011, Austin had injury problems, but had a strong showing early against two great defensive teams in NYJ and SF. (233 yards and 4 TDs)... then the hamstring issues started late against San Fran in week 2.

I really don't doubt that Austin can replicate his 2009 season. He and Romo just need to be healthy to do it.

And as far as the dancing goes, Austin's almost dunk, and circle around the FG post was much better than anything Cruz has ever done... not really, but that's all I got.

Don't get me wrong. I think Miles is a very dangerous receiver. (I fear him more than Dez, truth be told).

But your question concerned comparing a different season for each player, and I believe Cruz comes out a bit ahead. We'll see how their careers pan out. Two very good-to-great receivers, in a wide receiver-rich division.

Yeah, no problem at all. I think Cruz in 2011 had a great season and Austin had a great season as well in 2009. Overall I'd say it is a push, but I could understand people seeing it go either way. Good points on either side. Just thought I'd get other opinions.

I was just pointing out that Miles Austin's 2009 season hasn't been replicated yet, I don't think it's due to a lack of his ability to do so.

NYGRealityCheck
05-06-2012, 08:13 PM
True. I remember watching Cruz in the preseason of 2010 and thinking he was a pretty good find. Didn't know that he got injured.

Austin took more time to develop and relies much more on tact than Cruz who seems to have more moxie.

Which kind of goes hand and hand with why he wasn't a big factor before 2009. I mean, the guy was behind Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, and reliable Patrick Crayton, and was much more of a project receiver-- like I said, he relies on what he's learned rather than what he possessed already. Austin, too suffered a lower leg injury in the presason of 2008, when he looked like he was becoming a monster.

I like Austin because he's a good story and a Cowboy, so I'll stick up for him a little with 'reproducing his 2009 season'--

Miles Austin's game relies on Tony Romo. Their timing and rapport is what makes Austin dangerous. And in 2010, Austin had 3 140+ yard games before Romo went down for the season in the 6th game of the season. In 2011, Austin had injury problems, but had a strong showing early against two great defensive teams in NYJ and SF. (233 yards and 4 TDs)... then the hamstring issues started late against San Fran in week 2.

I really don't doubt that Austin can replicate his 2009 season. He and Romo just need to be healthy to do it.

And as far as the dancing goes, Austin's almost dunk, and circle around the FG post was much better than anything Cruz has ever done... not really, but that's all I got.

Don't get me wrong. I think Miles is a very dangerous receiver. (I fear him more than Dez, truth be told).

But your question concerned comparing a different season for each player, and I believe Cruz comes out a bit ahead. We'll see how their careers pan out. Two very good-to-great receivers, in a wide receiver-rich division.

Yeah, no problem at all. I think Cruz in 2011 had a great season and Austin had a great season as well in 2009. Overall I'd say it is a push, but I could understand people seeing it go either way. Good points on either side. Just thought I'd get other opinions.

I was just pointing out that Miles Austin's 2009 season hasn't been replicated yet, I don't think it's due to a lack of his ability to do so.


maybe it's due to the fact that he messed up on a crucial pass late in the Week 14 game Giants at Dallas that would have ended the game, but thanks to him the Giants' playoff hopes were kept alive.

"Quarterback Tony Romo took the snap, dropped back and saw receiver Miles Austin running wide open down the field. The Giants had blitzed and there were no defenders near Austin, who could have glided into the end zone.

But the pass fell incomplete. Austin later admitted he lost the ball in the bright lights of Cowboys Stadium. “I wish I would have reacted better, to be honest with you,” Austin said. “Obviously, it was a missed opportunity.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/sports/football/five-moments-when-luck-went-the-giants-way.html

Missed opportunities galore. Fine with me!

Drez
05-06-2012, 08:22 PM
True. I remember watching Cruz in the preseason of 2010 and thinking he was a pretty good find. Didn't know that he got injured.

Austin took more time to develop and relies much more on tact than Cruz who seems to have more moxie.

Which kind of goes hand and hand with why he wasn't a big factor before 2009. I mean, the guy was behind Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, and reliable Patrick Crayton, and was much more of a project receiver-- like I said, he relies on what he's learned rather than what he possessed already. Austin, too suffered a lower leg injury in the presason of 2008, when he looked like he was becoming a monster.

I like Austin because he's a good story and a Cowboy, so I'll stick up for him a little with 'reproducing his 2009 season'--

Miles Austin's game relies on Tony Romo. Their timing and rapport is what makes Austin dangerous. And in 2010, Austin had 3 140+ yard games before Romo went down for the season in the 6th game of the season. In 2011, Austin had injury problems, but had a strong showing early against two great defensive teams in NYJ and SF. (233 yards and 4 TDs)... then the hamstring issues started late against San Fran in week 2.

I really don't doubt that Austin can replicate his 2009 season. He and Romo just need to be healthy to do it.

And as far as the dancing goes, Austin's almost dunk, and circle around the FG post was much better than anything Cruz has ever done... not really, but that's all I got.

Don't get me wrong. I think Miles is a very dangerous receiver. (I fear him more than Dez, truth be told).

But your question concerned comparing a different season for each player, and I believe Cruz comes out a bit ahead. We'll see how their careers pan out. Two very good-to-great receivers, in a wide receiver-rich division.

Yeah, no problem at all. I think Cruz in 2011 had a great season and Austin had a great season as well in 2009. Overall I'd say it is a push, but I could understand people seeing it go either way. Good points on either side. Just thought I'd get other opinions.

I was just pointing out that Miles Austin's 2009 season hasn't been replicated yet, I don't think it's due to a lack of his ability to do so.


maybe it's due to the fact that he messed up on a crucial pass late in the Week 14 game Giants at Dallas that would have ended the game, but thanks to him the Giants' playoff hopes were kept alive.

"Quarterback Tony Romo took the snap, dropped back and saw receiver Miles Austin running wide open down the field. The Giants had blitzed and there were no defenders near Austin, who could have glided into the end zone.

But the pass fell incomplete. Austin later admitted he lost the ball in the bright lights of Cowboys Stadium. “I wish I would have reacted better, to be honest with you,” Austin said. “Obviously, it was a missed opportunity.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/sports/football/five-moments-when-luck-went-the-giants-way.html

Missed opportunities galore. Fine with me!

I can't get on Austin too hard for that (though it was a huge miss in a huge moment), if for no other reason than Nicks had essentially the same thing happen to him the following week against the Skins. I think it was on the opening series (or if nothing else, very early in the game) and he got blinded by the sun on that huge bomb and dropped the ball.

NYGRealityCheck
05-06-2012, 08:29 PM
True. I remember watching Cruz in the preseason of 2010 and thinking he was a pretty good find. Didn't know that he got injured.

Austin took more time to develop and relies much more on tact than Cruz who seems to have more moxie.

Which kind of goes hand and hand with why he wasn't a big factor before 2009. I mean, the guy was behind Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, and reliable Patrick Crayton, and was much more of a project receiver-- like I said, he relies on what he's learned rather than what he possessed already. Austin, too suffered a lower leg injury in the presason of 2008, when he looked like he was becoming a monster.

I like Austin because he's a good story and a Cowboy, so I'll stick up for him a little with 'reproducing his 2009 season'--

Miles Austin's game relies on Tony Romo. Their timing and rapport is what makes Austin dangerous. And in 2010, Austin had 3 140+ yard games before Romo went down for the season in the 6th game of the season. In 2011, Austin had injury problems, but had a strong showing early against two great defensive teams in NYJ and SF. (233 yards and 4 TDs)... then the hamstring issues started late against San Fran in week 2.

I really don't doubt that Austin can replicate his 2009 season. He and Romo just need to be healthy to do it.

And as far as the dancing goes, Austin's almost dunk, and circle around the FG post was much better than anything Cruz has ever done... not really, but that's all I got.

Don't get me wrong. I think Miles is a very dangerous receiver. (I fear him more than Dez, truth be told).

But your question concerned comparing a different season for each player, and I believe Cruz comes out a bit ahead. We'll see how their careers pan out. Two very good-to-great receivers, in a wide receiver-rich division.

Yeah, no problem at all. I think Cruz in 2011 had a great season and Austin had a great season as well in 2009. Overall I'd say it is a push, but I could understand people seeing it go either way. Good points on either side. Just thought I'd get other opinions.

I was just pointing out that Miles Austin's 2009 season hasn't been replicated yet, I don't think it's due to a lack of his ability to do so.


maybe it's due to the fact that he messed up on a crucial pass late in the Week 14 game Giants at Dallas that would have ended the game, but thanks to him the Giants' playoff hopes were kept alive.

"Quarterback Tony Romo took the snap, dropped back and saw receiver Miles Austin running wide open down the field. The Giants had blitzed and there were no defenders near Austin, who could have glided into the end zone.

But the pass fell incomplete. Austin later admitted he lost the ball in the bright lights of Cowboys Stadium. “I wish I would have reacted better, to be honest with you,” Austin said. “Obviously, it was a missed opportunity.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/sports/football/five-moments-when-luck-went-the-giants-way.html

Missed opportunities galore. Fine with me!

I can't get on Austin too hard for that (though it was a huge miss in a huge moment), if for no other reason than Nicks had essentially the same thing happen to him the following week against the Skins. I think it was on the opening series (or if nothing else, very early in the game) and he got blinded by the sun on that huge bomb and dropped the ball.


But Nicks' dropped pass was not in a crucial moment or crucial game and IMHO even if he did score the TD, it would not have been enough as the Giants lost 23-10 in a total lack of effort from both sides of the ball as the team was boo-ed at the stadium from beginning to end. The defense did not bother to stop Rex Grossman in that game.

bubblesmcgee
05-06-2012, 08:29 PM
Possibly the most important player outside of JPP.


Eli is the most important player on the giants

Drez
05-06-2012, 08:53 PM
True. I remember watching Cruz in the preseason of 2010 and thinking he was a pretty good find. Didn't know that he got injured.

Austin took more time to develop and relies much more on tact than Cruz who seems to have more moxie.

Which kind of goes hand and hand with why he wasn't a big factor before 2009. I mean, the guy was behind Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, and reliable Patrick Crayton, and was much more of a project receiver-- like I said, he relies on what he's learned rather than what he possessed already. Austin, too suffered a lower leg injury in the presason of 2008, when he looked like he was becoming a monster.

I like Austin because he's a good story and a Cowboy, so I'll stick up for him a little with 'reproducing his 2009 season'--

Miles Austin's game relies on Tony Romo. Their timing and rapport is what makes Austin dangerous. And in 2010, Austin had 3 140+ yard games before Romo went down for the season in the 6th game of the season. In 2011, Austin had injury problems, but had a strong showing early against two great defensive teams in NYJ and SF. (233 yards and 4 TDs)... then the hamstring issues started late against San Fran in week 2.

I really don't doubt that Austin can replicate his 2009 season. He and Romo just need to be healthy to do it.

And as far as the dancing goes, Austin's almost dunk, and circle around the FG post was much better than anything Cruz has ever done... not really, but that's all I got.

Don't get me wrong. I think Miles is a very dangerous receiver. (I fear him more than Dez, truth be told).

But your question concerned comparing a different season for each player, and I believe Cruz comes out a bit ahead. We'll see how their careers pan out. Two very good-to-great receivers, in a wide receiver-rich division.

Yeah, no problem at all. I think Cruz in 2011 had a great season and Austin had a great season as well in 2009. Overall I'd say it is a push, but I could understand people seeing it go either way. Good points on either side. Just thought I'd get other opinions.

I was just pointing out that Miles Austin's 2009 season hasn't been replicated yet, I don't think it's due to a lack of his ability to do so.


maybe it's due to the fact that he messed up on a crucial pass late in the Week 14 game Giants at Dallas that would have ended the game, but thanks to him the Giants' playoff hopes were kept alive.

"Quarterback Tony Romo took the snap, dropped back and saw receiver Miles Austin running wide open down the field. The Giants had blitzed and there were no defenders near Austin, who could have glided into the end zone.

But the pass fell incomplete. Austin later admitted he lost the ball in the bright lights of Cowboys Stadium. “I wish I would have reacted better, to be honest with you,” Austin said. “Obviously, it was a missed opportunity.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/sports/football/five-moments-when-luck-went-the-giants-way.html

Missed opportunities galore. Fine with me!

I can't get on Austin too hard for that (though it was a huge miss in a huge moment), if for no other reason than Nicks had essentially the same thing happen to him the following week against the Skins. I think it was on the opening series (or if nothing else, very early in the game) and he got blinded by the sun on that huge bomb and dropped the ball.


But Nicks' dropped pass was not in a crucial moment or crucial game and IMHO even if he did score the TD, it would not have been enough as the Giants lost 23-10 in a total lack of effort from both sides of the ball as the team was boo-ed at the stadium from beginning to end. The defense did not bother to stop Rex Grossman in that game.
All I'm saying is that sometimes **** happens. Also, there's not telling that if we hit a huge TD like that early in the game that it doesn't just deflate the Skins, and then we go on to tromp them.

Ntegrase96
05-06-2012, 11:06 PM
True. I remember watching Cruz in the preseason of 2010 and thinking he was a pretty good find. Didn't know that he got injured.

Austin took more time to develop and relies much more on tact than Cruz who seems to have more moxie.

Which kind of goes hand and hand with why he wasn't a big factor before 2009. I mean, the guy was behind Terrell Owens, Terry Glenn, and reliable Patrick Crayton, and was much more of a project receiver-- like I said, he relies on what he's learned rather than what he possessed already. Austin, too suffered a lower leg injury in the presason of 2008, when he looked like he was becoming a monster.

I like Austin because he's a good story and a Cowboy, so I'll stick up for him a little with 'reproducing his 2009 season'--

Miles Austin's game relies on Tony Romo. Their timing and rapport is what makes Austin dangerous. And in 2010, Austin had 3 140+ yard games before Romo went down for the season in the 6th game of the season. In 2011, Austin had injury problems, but had a strong showing early against two great defensive teams in NYJ and SF. (233 yards and 4 TDs)... then the hamstring issues started late against San Fran in week 2.

I really don't doubt that Austin can replicate his 2009 season. He and Romo just need to be healthy to do it.

And as far as the dancing goes, Austin's almost dunk, and circle around the FG post was much better than anything Cruz has ever done... not really, but that's all I got.

Don't get me wrong. I think Miles is a very dangerous receiver. (I fear him more than Dez, truth be told).

But your question concerned comparing a different season for each player, and I believe Cruz comes out a bit ahead. We'll see how their careers pan out. Two very good-to-great receivers, in a wide receiver-rich division.

Yeah, no problem at all. I think Cruz in 2011 had a great season and Austin had a great season as well in 2009. Overall I'd say it is a push, but I could understand people seeing it go either way. Good points on either side. Just thought I'd get other opinions.

I was just pointing out that Miles Austin's 2009 season hasn't been replicated yet, I don't think it's due to a lack of his ability to do so.


maybe it's due to the fact that he messed up on a crucial pass late in the Week 14 game Giants at Dallas that would have ended the game, but thanks to him the Giants' playoff hopes were kept alive.

"Quarterback Tony Romo took the snap, dropped back and saw receiver Miles Austin running wide open down the field. The Giants had blitzed and there were no defenders near Austin, who could have glided into the end zone.

But the pass fell incomplete. Austin later admitted he lost the ball in the bright lights of Cowboys Stadium. “I wish I would have reacted better, to be honest with you,” Austin said. “Obviously, it was a missed opportunity.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/sports/football/five-moments-when-luck-went-the-giants-way.html

Missed opportunities galore. Fine with me!

I think since 2009 the great plays made by Miles Austin heavily outweigh the one missed opportunity he has.

alxln
05-06-2012, 11:47 PM
Kind of boring around here so I thought I'd start a fun debate.

Victor Cruz had 82 catches, 1,532 yards, 9 touchdowns in 2011

Miles Austin had 81 catches, 1,320 yards, and 11 touchdowns in 2009

Both were Rookie Free Agents if I'm not mistaken, so that's why there is the comparison.

A quick glance at the numbers is in favor of Cruz, but who do you think was better in their respective year.

Also, do you think Cruz will replicate his success in future seasons?

Go!


I love both players! JERSEY PRIDE!

chizz
05-06-2012, 11:52 PM
both are from jersey >>>

Spizi
05-07-2012, 08:54 AM
Cruz in super bowl 46- 1 TD catch.

Miles Austin in super bowl... oh yea.

Cruz hands down.

JPP
05-07-2012, 12:08 PM
Didn't Austin have a huge game this year against San Fran when Romo came back into the game injured to help you guys come back to win. He is a good player and if he stays healthy could match his previous numbers, I love his speed he is very smooth out there. Will he match his previous numbers? Probably not but it is a definite possibility.

I'm gonna be biased and go with Cruz, who I don't think will best his numbers either but possibly match them, on this one but merely because I usually only watch Austin when he plays us and anything good he does is then bad....except him missing that catch that was very very good. lol

BlueSanta
05-13-2012, 02:34 AM
Gotta go with Cruz. I mean no disrespect to Austin who is a fine player either. But East Rutherford is 1 of the hardest places to amass passing/recieving yards in all the NFL. The same cannot be said about Dallas.

slipknottin
05-13-2012, 07:18 PM
Austin's breakout year was his 4th year in the league, Cruz was his 2nd,.

So Austin had a little more time to adjust to the NFL, speed of the game, development, etc

nevada11
05-13-2012, 10:33 PM
When you think about it, their styles are awfully similar