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KillaRich
05-07-2012, 03:31 AM
At the start of the season.... He fewell who refused to dial up pressure... Or the one who at the end of the season turned it up by letting the team play and dial up a little pressure .... I hope aggressive fewell is calling the plays next year ... Was pretty good

egyptian420
05-07-2012, 03:39 AM
I'm hoping for the best like you are but I'm also just as clueless lol...

I hope our depth at CB and gained experience for the young LB core will help him use more plays and be more versatile.

KillaRich
05-07-2012, 03:47 AM
I'm hoping for the best like you are but I'm also just as clueless lol...

I hope our depth at CB and gained experience for the young LB core will help him use more plays and be more versatile.


Yea I'm clueless... I was calling fr his head all season.... Then it happened ... I have no clue what to expect lol

redbeardxxv
05-07-2012, 04:18 AM
I think it was a learning experience for him, and going into the season, he will allow the Giants to play Giants football. That is, to get after the QB, and control the tempo of the game by limiting their offensive attack. With a pass rush like we have, and a strong backfield, I don't see why he wouldn't unleash the dogs.

Flip Empty
05-07-2012, 04:29 AM
It depends on what pieces he has available to him.

Toadofsteel
05-07-2012, 04:33 AM
He better play our front four like an actual front four and not like a nickel, dime, quarter, and dollar DBs...

Captain Chaos
05-07-2012, 06:26 AM
I think it had to do with the fact he didn't feel comfortable with the LBs, especially in the middle. Once he got someone in there that he could trust he was comfortable letting the front four go. with a whole off season program we should see some consistant pressure.

Diamondring
05-07-2012, 06:42 AM
I think it had to do with the fact he didn't feel comfortable with the LBs, especially in the middle. Once he got someone in there that he could trust he was comfortable letting the front four go. with a whole off season program we should see some consistant pressure.You may be right.

NY_Eli
05-07-2012, 06:42 AM
I think it may have had something to do with the fact that half of our defense were on the sidelines with injuries. Maybe.

Flip Empty
05-07-2012, 07:34 AM
I think it may have had something to do with the fact that half of our defense were on the sidelines with injuries. Maybe.
Don't bring logic into this argument! Fewell doesn't know what he's doing!

buddy33
05-07-2012, 08:35 AM
How can anyone discount all the injuries last year when evaluating PF? All his secondary depth was injured, he had to use 3 rookie LB's in a lock out season, they where so desperate at LB they had to call Chase back to the team, the captain of their defense was injured most of the season, Osi missed half the season, and for short periods of the season they where without Boley nd KP.

When he did rush 4, that being with an injured Tuck, they where not getting pressure and their secondary was already depleted. It was when Tuck got healthy that they really started to get back to hitting the QB.

SweetZombieJesus
05-07-2012, 08:38 AM
Please no more 3 man rushes unless it's 3rd and 27.

giantsfan420
05-07-2012, 08:39 AM
How can anyone discount all the injuries last year when evaluating PF? All his secondary depth was injured, he had to use 3 rookie LB's in a lock out season, they where so desperate at LB they had to call Chase back to the team, the captain of their defense was injured most of the season, Osi missed half the season, and for short periods of the season they where without Boley nd KP.

When he did rush 4, that being with an injured Tuck, they where not getting pressure and their secondary was already depleted. It was when Tuck got healthy that they really started to get back to hitting the QB.

this is a good post. i hung by Fewell for most of the season, but I got to admit even I was skeptical towards the end of the season right before we got hot...

he said he simplified things so guys could just go out and play w/o having to overthink, and that was due to injuries.

so I'd assume since everyone will hopefully be healthy, the d will be much more like 2010 then 2011...ironic that we won it all in 2011 tho

LT_was_good
05-07-2012, 09:16 AM
How can anyone discount all the injuries last year when evaluating PF? All his secondary depth was injured, he had to use 3 rookie LB's in a lock out season, they where so desperate at LB they had to call Chase back to the team, the captain of their defense was injured most of the season, Osi missed half the season, and for short periods of the season they where without Boley nd KP.

When he did rush 4, that being with an injured Tuck, they where not getting pressure and their secondary was already depleted. It was when Tuck got healthy that they really started to get back to hitting the QB.

Agreed. Healthy Tuck and Osi + Fresher JPP = more pressure. Once he got comfortable with the CB and LB rotation by the end of the year, and had all of the non season-ending injured players back, it made a huge difference.

Manstache
05-07-2012, 09:54 AM
the formula that fewell used to win the strap is the fewell we will get, because its been proven to work and has gotten the ultimate results. not worried 1 iota about him or his playcalling.

B&RWarrior
05-07-2012, 10:09 AM
How can anyone discount all the injuries last year when evaluating PF? All his secondary depth was injured, he had to use 3 rookie LB's in a lock out season, they where so desperate at LB they had to call Chase back to the team, the captain of their defense was injured most of the season, Osi missed half the season, and for short periods of the season they where without Boley nd KP.

Great points. If you all remember correctly we didn't get that md me uch pressure with 4 DL in the SB. NE surprise me with how well they handled our pass rush.

I'm a big believer in blitzing. I hope he will bring an extra man when he sees the front 4 are not bringing the heat. He's not one for quick in game adjustments though.

I doubt he changes anything. Winning tends to gloss over flaws.

When he did rush 4, that being with an injured Tuck, they where not getting pressure and their secondary was already depleted. It was when Tuck got healthy that they really started to get back to hitting the QB.

B&RWarrior
05-07-2012, 10:13 AM
How can anyone discount all the injuries last year when evaluating PF? All his secondary depth was injured, he had to use 3 rookie LB's in a lock out season, they where so desperate at LB they had to call Chase back to the team, the captain of their defense was injured most of the season, Osi missed half the season, and for short periods of the season they where without Boley nd KP.

When he did rush 4, that being with an injured Tuck, they where not getting pressure and their secondary was already depleted. It was when Tuck got healthy that they really started to get back to hitting the QB.

Great points. If you all remember correctly we didn't get that much pressure with 4 DL in the SB. NE surprised me with how well they handled our pass rush.

I'm a big believer in blitzing. I hope he will bring an extra man when he sees the front 4 are not bringing the heat. He's not one for quick in game adjustments though.

I doubt he changes anything. Winning tends to gloss over flaws.

NYFan221
05-07-2012, 10:23 AM
His problems early in the season always involved over complicating the
coverage, and that was magnified by the sub par play of the DL. Now that our Secondary is back tom normal, everyone will be playing their natural position, our starters will be out there, with good depth behind them, Fewell's options will open up and less pressure will be put on the DL to play well.

OsiStrahan#1combo
05-07-2012, 10:57 AM
Please no more 3 man rushes unless it's 3rd and 27.


Even that might screw us. Superbowl game allowed them to have ONE last shot to win the game.

GMENAGAIN
05-07-2012, 11:16 AM
How can anyone discount all the injuries last year when evaluating PF? All his secondary depth was injured, he had to use 3 rookie LB's in a lock out season, they where so desperate at LB they had to call Chase back to the team, the captain of their defense was injured most of the season, Osi missed half the season, and for short periods of the season they where without Boley nd KP. When he did rush 4, that being with an injured Tuck, they where not getting pressure and their secondary was already depleted. It was when Tuck got healthy that they really started to get back to hitting the QB.</P>


Nailed it</P>

gumby742
05-07-2012, 03:01 PM
How can anyone discount all the injuries last year when evaluating PF? All his secondary depth was injured, he had to use 3 rookie LB's in a lock out season, they where so desperate at LB they had to call Chase back to the team, the captain of their defense was injured most of the season, Osi missed half the season, and for short periods of the season they where without Boley nd KP. When he did rush 4, that being with an injured Tuck, they where not getting pressure and their secondary was already depleted. It was when Tuck got healthy that they really started to get back to hitting the QB.</P>


Nailed it</P>


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Even with the injuries, you think we played up to our talent level? Not even close. That falls on the DC.</P>

RagTime Blue
05-07-2012, 03:05 PM
Please no more 3 man rushes.


Fixed.

buddy33
05-07-2012, 03:13 PM
How can anyone discount all the injuries last year when evaluating PF? All his secondary depth was injured, he had to use 3 rookie LB's in a lock out season, they where so desperate at LB they had to call Chase back to the team, the captain of their defense was injured most of the season, Osi missed half the season, and for short periods of the season they where without Boley nd KP. When he did rush 4, that being with an injured Tuck, they where not getting pressure and their secondary was already depleted. It was when Tuck got healthy that they really started to get back to hitting the QB.</P>


Nailed it</P>


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Even with the injuries, you think we played up to our talent level?* Not even close.* That falls on the DC.</P>

The injuries made them a less talented team so they played like it. So yes they where playing to the talent level of a team that had no depth in the secondary, was relying on 3 rookie LB's in a lock out year, a LB guy called at home to come in and step up, and 2 defensive ends hurt all year on a defense built to rush the passer. Add in the loss of other key defensive players for short periods of time and yes they where playing to their talent level.

gumby742
05-07-2012, 03:25 PM
How can anyone discount all the injuries last year when evaluating PF? All his secondary depth was injured, he had to use 3 rookie LB's in a lock out season, they where so desperate at LB they had to call Chase back to the team, the captain of their defense was injured most of the season, Osi missed half the season, and for short periods of the season they where without Boley nd KP. When he did rush 4, that being with an injured Tuck, they where not getting pressure and their secondary was already depleted. It was when Tuck got healthy that they really started to get back to hitting the QB.</P>


Nailed it</P>


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Even with the injuries, you think we played up to our talent level? Not even close. That falls on the DC.</P>


The injuries made them a less talented team so they played like it. So yes they where playing to the talent level of a team that had no depth in the secondary, was relying on 3 rookie LB's in a lock out year, a LB guy called at home to come in and step up, and 2 defensive ends hurt all year on a defense built to rush the passer. Add in the loss of other key defensive players for short periods of time and yes they where playing to their talent level.</P>


We played like a less talented team, but practically dead last talented? I don't think so.</P>

buddy33
05-07-2012, 03:37 PM
What is this defenses built to do? Rush the passer. Kind of hard to do when your team captain and one of the best DE's in the league is hurt. Add to that their sack specialist was out half the season. To make matters worse, all their secondary depth was injured including KP for a short time which means Rolle can not play to his strength or talent. JWilliams is going to be a fine LB and a gem of a pick by Reese, but he was a rookie in a lock out season.

They rank defenses by yards and the difference between the Ginats and a top 10-15 defense is around 40 yards a game.

myles2424
05-07-2012, 05:15 PM
Keep going with whatever we went with at the end of the season, the other crap was terrible.....end of story

G-Man67
05-07-2012, 05:20 PM
well if Tuck, Boley, TT and Osi are hurt ... you'll probably think you got the wrong Fewell</P>


if everyone is healthy, you are gonna love Fewell !</P>

DragonSoul
05-07-2012, 05:34 PM
At the start of the season.... He fewell who refused to dial up pressure... Or the one who at the end of the season turned it up by letting the team play and dial up a little pressure .... I hope aggressive fewell is calling the plays next year ... Was pretty goodThe only thing that didn't make sense to me is how bad we were. While we were missing pieces at times it may have been one or two. It wasn't as all our top guys were hurting for us to stink that bad.

Example we had 2 great defensive ends in all games, but barely got any pressure with them. While other teams have maybe 1 top tier guy and they were able to get pressure going.

JMFP2
05-07-2012, 05:37 PM
It's no coincidence that Fewell's defense improved when players finally understood what to do.</P>


Part of that was dialing back the complexity, another part was getting Blackburn on the field.</P>

gumby742
05-07-2012, 11:16 PM
What is this defenses built to do? Rush the passer. Kind of hard to do when your team captain and one of the best DE's in the league is hurt. Add to that their sack specialist was out half the season. To make matters worse, all their secondary depth was injured including KP for a short time which means Rolle can not play to his strength or talent. JWilliams is going to be a fine LB and a gem of a pick by Reese, but he was a rookie in a lock out season.

They rank defenses by yards and the difference between the Ginats and a top 10-15 defense is around 40 yards a game.

The way I see it is this. Fewell, built a "either it works or it doesn't" defense. There is no 50% power option. Poor design. Why on earth would you build anything like that? It's either that or he lacks the ability to adjust to injury and situation. I'm thinking the latter.

Our defense was banged up, but how many defenses in the NFL would like to have Philips, Rolle, Webster, JPP, Canty, and Boley
on their team. Our defensive personnel was good enough to be at least top 15-20.

Go check the other stats too on their defense - points allowed, passing yard, whatever. We're pretty much close to last in every category. The Rams had a better defense then we had.

buddy33
05-07-2012, 11:38 PM
So what does that tell you when the stats have the Rams as a better defense?

I could care less about rankings. I know hat when healthy they have a lot of talent, but they where never completely healthy last year. It's one thing to say a team should adapt to the loss of a player or two, but they lost all of their secondary depth and with Tuck and Osi hurting all year they where having trouble rushing the QB.

Of the players you mentioned, 2 missed some games with injury, Rolle has been laying out of position, Webster was solid, JPP was incredible but he is only one man, and Canty was solid but still not as big a part of the pass rush as intended.

gumby742
05-08-2012, 12:19 AM
So what does that tell you when the stats have the Rams as a better defense?

I could care less about rankings. I know hat when healthy they have a lot of talent, but they where never completely healthy last year. It's one thing to say a team should adapt to the loss of a player or two, but they lost all of their secondary depth and with Tuck and Osi hurting all year they where having trouble rushing the QB.

Of the players you mentioned, 2 missed some games with injury, Rolle has been laying out of position, Webster was solid, JPP was incredible but he is only one man, and Canty was solid but still not as big a part of the pass rush as intended.

The fact that the Rams had a better statistical ranking then we did with vastly inferior talent - even with our injuries, tells me that our coaching could be inferior.

at the end of the day, with the talent we had on the field, we didn't get the expected results. That's a coaching problem.

When healthy we are say a top 5 defense. We lost mostly depth last year and a few starters were banged up. That warrants a drop from #5 to #30? And saying that the difference between top and low ranked defense are only x yards a game is great and all, but when you watch the 2 defense, you KNOW there a difference.

Our defense was atrocious last year.

KillaRich
05-08-2012, 03:55 AM
Guys i agree with what everybody is saying..and i am not discounting the injuries..i know that was a big part of the fallout... but the defense before the hot streak were 2 different defenses.... it wasnt just a healthy front four that got them back to reality...it was the occasionalextrapressure and simplified defense.... the year prior we had a decent defense....while fewell isnt big on pressure the year prior he even dialed up more pressure...last year until the hot streak it seemed like he refused to bring the pressure</P>


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with all that said i think if he sticks to the right formula we are in good shape..we did win the superbowl....he can/is a good defense coordinator</P>


my only real knocks on fewell is his 3 man rushes and his refusal to make in game adjustments when something is obviously not working</P>

buddy33
05-08-2012, 09:16 AM
They base the defensive rankings based on yards per game. The difference between the Giants and a top 10 defense was about 40 yards per game, or one big play, or 4 more 1st downs.

Now I'm not saying they didn't play bad for a good part of the season, but I also realize they where not fielding as talented a team as you thin they where.

Mostly lost depth? TT was their starting CB, and in a passing league you need more than 2 CB's. Their number 2 was now the guy who was beat by TT and let go of this year. Who was their number 3? Johnson, Witherspoon, Coe, Tyron, Martian, or Prince? Or was it their talented Safety, Rolle, playing out of position? Before last year started I think Osi was still the starter. Even now, he is more than just depth as he plays a lot when they shift Tuck all over the place. Speaking of Tuck, he was hurting all year.

A few starters where banged up? No, Osi missed half the year. That's more than banged up. Tuck played most of the year hurt and by his own admission "sucked". KP was a out a few games. Those games where probably as bad as the secondary looked all year and they gave up HUGE numbers to help make the stats worse than they already where. Boley also missed some time and was not 100% when he came back. Take the 1st Green Bay game for example. I believe that Boley was just coming back from his injury and said he was not 100% and I also believe that KP was injured and did not finish the game. Oh, and Osi didn't play that game.

So that game alone they had their DT's healthy, JPP healthy, Tuck hurting, no Osi, Chase was playing his 1st game of the season after being called on short notice, KP for half the game, Boley playing at less than 100%, and I can't remember if that was the 1st game for Prince.

Now let's look at the next time they played. Tuck was healthy, Osi was healthy, Boley was healthy, KP was healthy, Chase shook off the rust, and Prince was showing why he was such a huge pick in the draft. It's not hard to see that the unhealthy unit that hey put on the field was not as talented as the unit when healthy.

gumby742
05-08-2012, 02:08 PM
They base the defensive rankings based on yards per game. The difference between the Giants and a top 10 defense was about 40 yards per game, or one big play, or 4 more 1st downs.

Now I'm not saying they didn't play bad for a good part of the season, but I also realize they where not fielding as talented a team as you thin they where.

Mostly lost depth? TT was their starting CB, and in a passing league you need more than 2 CB's. Their number 2 was now the guy who was beat by TT and let go of this year. Who was their number 3? Johnson, Witherspoon, Coe, Tyron, Martian, or Prince? Or was it their talented Safety, Rolle, playing out of position? Before last year started I think Osi was still the starter. Even now, he is more than just depth as he plays a lot when they shift Tuck all over the place. Speaking of Tuck, he was hurting all year.

A few starters where banged up? No, Osi missed half the year. That's more than banged up. Tuck played most of the year hurt and by his own admission "sucked". KP was a out a few games. Those games where probably as bad as the secondary looked all year and they gave up HUGE numbers to help make the stats worse than they already where. Boley also missed some time and was not 100% when he came back. Take the 1st Green Bay game for example. I believe that Boley was just coming back from his injury and said he was not 100% and I also believe that KP was injured and did not finish the game. Oh, and Osi didn't play that game.

So that game alone they had their DT's healthy, JPP healthy, Tuck hurting, no Osi, Chase was playing his 1st game of the season after being called on short notice, KP for half the game, Boley playing at less than 100%, and I can't remember if that was the 1st game for Prince.

Now let's look at the next time they played. Tuck was healthy, Osi was healthy, Boley was healthy, KP was healthy, Chase shook off the rust, and Prince was showing why he was such a huge pick in the draft. It's not hard to see that the unhealthy unit that hey put on the field was not as talented as the unit when healthy.

At the end of the day, if you ask yourself if all those injuries warrant practically the worst defense in the NFL, and you're cool with it, then all is good.

Perhaps I'm overestimating the talent that we actually had. But if you look at the other teams and their personnel compared to ours - hurt, we're still more talented.

Yards aside, we were 25th in points, 27th in yards, 26th in first downs, 29th in passin gyards, 25th in TDs, etc etc. C'mon man. Something stinks.

buddy33
05-08-2012, 03:22 PM
Who said I like the defense playing that poorly? I just understand that when your defense has hat many injuries you can't claim they are talented. They lost 6 DB's, 2 LB's, had two DE's either out or hurting most of the year, and had other key guys on defense out for some.

Just look at the 2 games against Green Bay. In the 1st game they had guys out and guys playing hurt. The 2nd game hey where healthy and they completely shut them down.

So one game they are not healthy and give up lots of offense. In another game against the same team they are healthy and shut them down.

Oh, and this defense, with all those injuries had to play the top 3 offenses in the league this year and the 4th best offense twice.

Neverend
05-08-2012, 03:27 PM
At the start of the season.... He fewell who refused to dial up pressure... Or the one who at the end of the season turned it up by letting the team play and dial up a little pressure .... I hope aggressive fewell is calling the plays next year ... Was pretty good

I don't think he really dialed up any pressure throughout the playoffs. It was the majority of the time 4-man rushes, to the best of my memory

It was really the coverages that he changed. More man coverage. granted it wasn't press cvg, as the corners played some bail and off techniques, but it was man nonetheless.

gumby742
05-08-2012, 04:27 PM
Who said I like the defense playing that poorly? I just understand that when your defense has hat many injuries you can't claim they are talented. They lost 6 DB's, 2 LB's, had two DE's either out or hurting most of the year, and had other key guys on defense out for some.

Just look at the 2 games against Green Bay. In the 1st game they had guys out and guys playing hurt. The 2nd game hey where healthy and they completely shut them down.

So one game they are not healthy and give up lots of offense. In another game against the same team they are healthy and shut them down.

Oh, and this defense, with all those injuries had to play the top 3 offenses in the league this year and the 4th best offense twice.

At the end of the day, I think we just disagree on how much an impact our injuries should have played in our defensive performance.

It's one thing to drop acceptably in performance and it's another to take the plunge.

But now that I think about it, when we got hot, compared to the start of the season, what was the biggest difference? I believe Osi was the only real difference. This leads me to believe even more firmly that even with our injuries, we had the tools to be at least an average defense.

You mentioned before that our defense was built a certain way and that with our injuries, it was difficult to over come. Well, is that the job of the coordinator to adjust? Putting together a defense mid season isn't like mixing a formula ie all or nothing.

JMFP2
05-08-2012, 05:44 PM
So what does that tell you when the stats have the Rams as a better defense? I could care less about rankings. I know hat when healthy they have a lot of talent, but they where never completely healthy last year. It's one thing to say a team should adapt to the loss of a player or two, but they lost all of their secondary depth and with Tuck and Osi hurting all year they where having trouble rushing the QB. Of the players you mentioned, 2 missed some games with injury, Rolle has been laying out of position, Webster was solid, JPP was incredible but he is only one man, and Canty was solid but still not as big a part of the pass rush as intended. The fact that the Rams had a better statistical ranking then we did with vastly inferior talent - even with our injuries, tells me that our coaching could be inferior. at the end of the day, with the talent we had on the field, we didn't get the expected results. That's a coaching problem. When healthy we are say a top 5 defense. We lost mostly depth last year and a few starters were banged up. That warrants a drop from #5 to #30? And saying that the difference between top and low ranked defense are only x yards a game is great and all, but when you watch the 2 defense, you KNOW there a difference. Our defense was atrocious last year.</P>


The defense struggled at times, but they were a big reason the Giants won another Super Bowl.</P>


The defense was a huge reason the Giants beat both the Cowboys, Jets, Falcons and the 49ers.</P>


The turnaround began when they re-signed Blackburn.....it was much more mental than physical, since obviously, Blackburn is not a pro-bowl caliber linebacker....he's just a smart guy that understands the defensive system.</P>


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buddy33
05-08-2012, 08:17 PM
Osi was not the only real difference. There was another guy on defense that was playing hurt all year and had it not been for Eli playing so well in the Super Bowl he would have been MVP. That would be Tuck.

I'm still trying to figure out how PF was supposed to over come losing 6 DB's, 2 LB's, and 2 star DE's either out or hurt most of the year. Come on now. Even when they where getting production from guys off the street they where going down with injuries too.

At what point in the season was their DL completely healthy? That would be the end of the season. When did they start playing better as a unit? That would be the end of the season. You simply can't deny that the team that played injured like in the 1st Green Bay game was the same team that played the 2nd Green Bay game. It's clear the injuries where holding them back and to say PF was supposed to adjust to so many injuries is asking way to much. Any team loses 6 DB's, can't get pressure on the QB, and plays the schedule the Giants played they would have trouble. You can't compare the Rams schedule to the Giants.

gumby742
05-08-2012, 11:57 PM
So what does that tell you when the stats have the Rams as a better defense? I could care less about rankings. I know hat when healthy they have a lot of talent, but they where never completely healthy last year. It's one thing to say a team should adapt to the loss of a player or two, but they lost all of their secondary depth and with Tuck and Osi hurting all year they where having trouble rushing the QB. Of the players you mentioned, 2 missed some games with injury, Rolle has been laying out of position, Webster was solid, JPP was incredible but he is only one man, and Canty was solid but still not as big a part of the pass rush as intended. The fact that the Rams had a better statistical ranking then we did with vastly inferior talent - even with our injuries, tells me that our coaching could be inferior. at the end of the day, with the talent we had on the field, we didn't get the expected results. That's a coaching problem. When healthy we are say a top 5 defense. We lost mostly depth last year and a few starters were banged up. That warrants a drop from #5 to #30? And saying that the difference between top and low ranked defense are only x yards a game is great and all, but when you watch the 2 defense, you KNOW there a difference. Our defense was atrocious last year.</P>


The defense struggled at times, but they were a big reason the Giants won another Super Bowl.</P>


The defense was a huge reason the Giants beat both the Cowboys, Jets, Falcons and the 49ers.</P>


The turnaround began when they re-signed Blackburn.....it was much more mental than physical, since obviously, Blackburn is not a pro-bowl caliber linebacker....he's just a smart guy that understands the defensive system.</P>


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No doubt. But, winning it all and stepping up at the right time doesn't make (at least for me) people forget that the defense was terrible for most of the year.

gumby742
05-09-2012, 12:05 AM
Osi was not the only real difference. There was another guy on defense that was playing hurt all year and had it not been for Eli playing so well in the Super Bowl he would have been MVP. That would be Tuck.

I'm still trying to figure out how PF was supposed to over come losing 6 DB's, 2 LB's, and 2 star DE's either out or hurt most of the year. Come on now. Even when they where getting production from guys off the street they where going down with injuries too.

At what point in the season was their DL completely healthy? That would be the end of the season. When did they start playing better as a unit? That would be the end of the season. You simply can't deny that the team that played injured like in the 1st Green Bay game was the same team that played the 2nd Green Bay game. It's clear the injuries where holding them back and to say PF was supposed to adjust to so many injuries is asking way to much. Any team loses 6 DB's, can't get pressure on the QB, and plays the schedule the Giants played they would have trouble. You can't compare the Rams schedule to the Giants.

1) So, besides Osi what else was the difference? Tuck was still playing hurt no? The answer to this leads into your 3rd paragraph.

2) Trust, I'm not expecting him to field an awesome defense with the injuries we had. My issue with PF was that our reduced defensive performance was not in increments. It had a very binary "all or nothing" feel to it. You lose some cogs in the wheel, and the entire thing falls a part. That's my issue with him.

3) This goes back to #1. Most of the injuries we had occurred at the start of the season. So, my question is what was the difference between the beginning and the end? After all, TT didn't come back. Our 6 DBs didn't come back. So if they were so important, how come we were able to step it up? Which then leads me to ask, if your defense falls from tops to last based on the play of a couple of players, is that a quality of a good coordinator?

ShakeNBake
05-09-2012, 01:15 AM
I think it may have had something to do with the fact that half of our defense were on the sidelines with injuries. Maybe.

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buddy33
05-09-2012, 08:45 AM
I already said numerous times that Tuck was hurt for most of the season. He said he finally felt good the second to last game. From that game against the Jets until the Super Bowl the DL was much better and getting pressure on the QB. The pressure on the QB made the depleted secondary look better. It also helped that even though he was limited, Prince was playing well when called upon in the playoffs.

Again, they didn't just lose some pieces. Tuck was hurt almost the entire season and Osi was out half the season. There goes there pressure. Or do you think all teams have 5-6 pass rushers that can just fill in when 2 guys like Tuck and Osi are hurt? Because of the 6 DB's out, Rolle was forced to play out of position. That is another piece to the puzzle. In a passing league, if you don't get pressure you will get burned. The Giants played the best offenses last year with 6 DB's out and 2 DE's out. Of course there was also the rookie LB in a lock out season that they where using because of injuries. Guys had to step up and play out of position.

So then tell me how the defense was supposed to be much better with the players he had that where healthy. Was Tollefson supposed to be Tuck or Osi? Maybe move Kiwi back to DE when they where so short on LB's they had to call Chase back from his home? Maybe Coe would have to step up? Oh that's right he got hurt during the season. What about Tyron? He looked good for a guy they called in late. Yeah he got hurt during the season as well. Looks like there was a lot of time to gel on this defense right?

I agree they where horrible at times last year. I just see it as having to many injuries. When hey where healthier they played better. I'd like to see them field a healthy defense this year from game one. Then again, I just want them at full steam at the end of the year and in the playoffs.

Bohemian
05-09-2012, 12:23 PM
At the start of the season.... He fewell who refused to dial up pressure... Or the one who at the end of the season turned it up by letting the team play and dial up a little pressure .... I hope aggressive fewell is calling the plays next year ... Was pretty good

I really think that it was the LB play that really hurt his defensive options last year. It was great to see our LBs really pick it up late in the season going into the playoffs. I think that if the LBs can keep their momentum and our secondary remain healthy, then it should be a good year.

I don't mind Fewell, but I am certainly not taking the fire from under him just yet. At this point, I have more trust on our defense than on our offense, as Gilbride has to get the running game to be effective, otherwise we will be in major trouble. All in all, being the champions despite of all those limitations says volumes about the strengths that all ready exist at both sides of the ball.

I can't wait for the pre-season. I am really interested in watching the young talent compete.

gumby742
05-09-2012, 12:24 PM
I already said numerous times that Tuck was hurt for most of the season. He said he finally felt good the second to last game. From that game against the Jets until the Super Bowl the DL was much better and getting pressure on the QB. The pressure on the QB made the depleted secondary look better. It also helped that even though he was limited, Prince was playing well when called upon in the playoffs.

Again, they didn't just lose some pieces. Tuck was hurt almost the entire season and Osi was out half the season. There goes there pressure. Or do you think all teams have 5-6 pass rushers that can just fill in when 2 guys like Tuck and Osi are hurt? Because of the 6 DB's out, Rolle was forced to play out of position. That is another piece to the puzzle. In a passing league, if you don't get pressure you will get burned. The Giants played the best offenses last year with 6 DB's out and 2 DE's out. Of course there was also the rookie LB in a lock out season that they where using because of injuries. Guys had to step up and play out of position.

So then tell me how the defense was supposed to be much better with the players he had that where healthy. Was Tollefson supposed to be Tuck or Osi? Maybe move Kiwi back to DE when they where so short on LB's they had to call Chase back from his home? Maybe Coe would have to step up? Oh that's right he got hurt during the season. What about Tyron? He looked good for a guy they called in late. Yeah he got hurt during the season as well. Looks like there was a lot of time to gel on this defense right?

I agree they where horrible at times last year. I just see it as having to many injuries. When hey where healthier they played better. I'd like to see them field a healthy defense this year from game one. Then again, I just want them at full steam at the end of the year and in the playoffs.

So really, the only real difference was Tuck and Osi you said. But, Tuck was STILL hurt going into the post season, so nothing changed there between the beginning and end of the regular season. The guys that were hurt/out for the season at the start/middle of the season were still out. Our secondary was just as bad personnel wise as they ever were.

Osi coming back to give us at depth was definitely key, but again, if you're 100 dependent on a handful of players to be even REMOTELY successful, as a coordinator, you have problems.

I want to see what we can do healthy also, especially with Prince, but I have 0 confidence Fewell will be able to overcome adversity and injury.

buddy33
05-09-2012, 01:38 PM
Before the Jets game Tuck said he was finally ok. Just look at how he played those last 2 games and the post season. He was clearly a different player. Only Tuck and Osi? That's 2/3 of the DE rotation they like to use. Not having 2 key players on the DL does change things drastically. Again, we are talking about Tuck and Osi. Who on the team could fill their shoes?

They never had depth at CB in a passing league and they played the best offenses in football this past season. Don't just count the guys Hirt before the season. Even when they plugged guys in off the street they then had to deal with them getting injured. The difference at the end of the season and the post season was pressure from the DL, the LB unit playing better, and rookies maturing late in the season.

Ahmad44rushHARD
05-09-2012, 09:08 PM
I thinnk reese could have been playing conservative for the fact that he knew that a (more) constant pass rush would cover up holes.. he came up as a secondary coach, and he wanted to see what he had in the cover 2/zone blitzing game.

Additionally, i would like to see what he can do with a healthy tuck, osi, boley, austin, kp, tt, prince, et al. for the whole year