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RoanokeFan
05-08-2012, 04:20 PM
OSI UMENYIORA TO THE BALTIMORE RAVENS? (http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/5/8/3007593/osi-umenyiora-baltimore-ravens-new-york-giants-nfl-trade-rumors)

"A report surfaced on Twitter today that the Baltimore Ravens (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/baltimore-ravens)
have offered the New York Giants (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-york-giants) a
third-round draft pick in exchange for Osi Umenyiora (https://twitter.com/#%21/TheHuddleReport/status/199887252048986112).
<div class="entry-body">


We have been seeing
speculation about Umenyiora to the Ravens ever since it was announced a few days
ago that the Ravens would be without Terrell Suggs (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1434/terrell-suggs)
for the 2012 season due to a torn Achilles Tendon. Does any of this make any
sense? Would this be something the Giants would actually do?</p>


Let's take a closer look.</p>
<p class="extend-divide"><a name="storyjump"></a>http://cdn1.sbnation.com/images/blog/star-divide.v5e9d7f1.jpg</p>


From the Giants' perspective</p>


We speculated prior to the 2012 NFL Draft that the Giants might be willing to
deal Umenyiora, and reports at that time indicated the belief that the Giants
would take a third-round draft choice for the supremely talented yet perennially
disgruntled defensive end.</p>


No trade happened during the draft, of course. Were there offers? We will
never really know. If, however, the Giants did not trade Umenyiora for a draft
pick they could have used to stock the 2012 roster why would they trade him for
a draft pick now? That makes no sense to me.</p>


By now, general manager Jerry Reese is used to Umenyiora's whining. In some
fashion it happens every offseason, and it has really just become nothing more
than background noise.</p>


The Giants hold all the cards here. Umenyiora is signed to a contract for
another year. He can certainly complain all he wants, but if he wants to get
paid at all he has no choice but to play out the contract he signed. If he was
going to go all <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2252/jeremy-shockey">Jeremy
Shockey</a> and blow up his relationship with the Giants with verbal grenades he
would have done that by now.</p>


The Giants' best play at this point is to simply ride out the Umenyiora storm
and have No. 72 in uniform -- happily or unhappily -- next fall.</p>


From the Ravens' perspective</p>


Clark Judge of CBS Sports can go on and on all he wants about how Umenyiora
is the obvious pass-rushing choice for the Ravens to target (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/18955957/suggs-down-ravens-should-jump-at-chance-to-get-umenyiora-out-of-ny) as a
Suggs replacement. All that does is make me question how much Clark Judge
actually knows.</p>


How does Umenyiora in a Ravens' uniform make any sense at all?</p>


Last time I checked the Ravens play a 3-4 defense. Umenyiora is a classic 4-3
pass-rushing defensive end. He barely acknowledges the existence of the running
game and does an adequate at best job against it when he does try to play the
run.</p>


In the 3-4, defensive ends are generally not premiere pass rushers. They are
really glorified defensive tackles, anchoring against the run and swallowing up
blockers to allow the linebackers behind them to make plays. That is not
Umenyiora.</p>


How about Osi as a 3-4 outside linebacker? I don't see how that would work,
either. The Giants love to drop linemen into coverage, but Umenyiora is almost
never asked to do that. Justin Tuck (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2260/justin-tuck), <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/108442/jason-pierre-paul">Jason
Pierre-Paul</a>, <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2229/mathias-kiwanuka">Mathias
Kiwanuka</a>, even <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1984/dave-tollefson">Dave
Tollefson</a> when he was a Giant would do that at times. Umenyiora? Almost
never.</p>


Heading into his ninth year in the league and with troublesome knees standing
up and dropping into coverage is not a skill I can see Umenyiora mastering at
this point in his career.</p>


Conclusion</p>


Maybe there is something here. Maybe the Giants would be better off to just
cut their losses with Umenyiora and move on. Maybe the Ravens would play some
4-3 in passing situations to accommodate Umenyiora's skills. Right now, though,
I am not able to wrap my head around how this move would make any
sense."</p></div>

bearbryant
05-08-2012, 10:01 PM
OSI UMENYIORA TO THE BALTIMORE RAVENS? (http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/5/8/3007593/osi-umenyiora-baltimore-ravens-new-york-giants-nfl-trade-rumors)

"A report surfaced on Twitter today that the Baltimore Ravens (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/baltimore-ravens)
have offered the New York Giants (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-york-giants) a
third-round draft pick in exchange for Osi Umenyiora (https://twitter.com/#%21/TheHuddleReport/status/199887252048986112).
<div class="entry-body">


We have been seeing
speculation about Umenyiora to the Ravens ever since it was announced a few days
ago that the Ravens would be without Terrell Suggs (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1434/terrell-suggs)
for the 2012 season due to a torn Achilles Tendon. Does any of this make any
sense? Would this be something the Giants would actually do?</p>


Let's take a closer look.</p>
<p class="extend-divide"><a name="storyjump"></a>http://cdn1.sbnation.com/images/blog/star-divide.v5e9d7f1.jpg</p>


From the Giants' perspective</p>


We speculated prior to the 2012 NFL Draft that the Giants might be willing to
deal Umenyiora, and reports at that time indicated the belief that the Giants
would take a third-round draft choice for the supremely talented yet perennially
disgruntled defensive end.</p>


No trade happened during the draft, of course. Were there offers? We will
never really know. If, however, the Giants did not trade Umenyiora for a draft
pick they could have used to stock the 2012 roster why would they trade him for
a draft pick now? That makes no sense to me.</p>


By now, general manager Jerry Reese is used to Umenyiora's whining. In some
fashion it happens every offseason, and it has really just become nothing more
than background noise.</p>


The Giants hold all the cards here. Umenyiora is signed to a contract for
another year. He can certainly complain all he wants, but if he wants to get
paid at all he has no choice but to play out the contract he signed. If he was
going to go all <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2252/jeremy-shockey">Jeremy
Shockey</a> and blow up his relationship with the Giants with verbal grenades he
would have done that by now.</p>


The Giants' best play at this point is to simply ride out the Umenyiora storm
and have No. 72 in uniform -- happily or unhappily -- next fall.</p>


From the Ravens' perspective</p>


Clark Judge of CBS Sports can go on and on all he wants about how Umenyiora
is the obvious pass-rushing choice for the Ravens to target (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/18955957/suggs-down-ravens-should-jump-at-chance-to-get-umenyiora-out-of-ny) as a
Suggs replacement. All that does is make me question how much Clark Judge
actually knows.</p>


How does Umenyiora in a Ravens' uniform make any sense at all?</p>


Last time I checked the Ravens play a 3-4 defense. Umenyiora is a classic 4-3
pass-rushing defensive end. He barely acknowledges the existence of the running
game and does an adequate at best job against it when he does try to play the
run.</p>


In the 3-4, defensive ends are generally not premiere pass rushers. They are
really glorified defensive tackles, anchoring against the run and swallowing up
blockers to allow the linebackers behind them to make plays. That is not
Umenyiora.</p>


How about Osi as a 3-4 outside linebacker? I don't see how that would work,
either. The Giants love to drop linemen into coverage, but Umenyiora is almost
never asked to do that. Justin Tuck (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2260/justin-tuck), <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/108442/jason-pierre-paul">Jason
Pierre-Paul</a>, <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2229/mathias-kiwanuka">Mathias
Kiwanuka</a>, even <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1984/dave-tollefson">Dave
Tollefson</a> when he was a Giant would do that at times. Umenyiora? Almost
never.</p>


Heading into his ninth year in the league and with troublesome knees standing
up and dropping into coverage is not a skill I can see Umenyiora mastering at
this point in his career.</p>


Conclusion</p>


Maybe there is something here. Maybe the Giants would be better off to just
cut their losses with Umenyiora and move on. Maybe the Ravens would play some
4-3 in passing situations to accommodate Umenyiora's skills. Right now, though,
I am not able to wrap my head around how this move would make any
sense."</p></div>
I agree 100%. if the ravens trade for osi I'm missing something. He does not fit their scheme, period.

JJC7301
05-09-2012, 01:37 AM
To even think about trading Osi when we have a chance to repeat (for a 3rd rounder no less!) makes me want to vomit.

Harooni
05-09-2012, 01:39 AM
throw in ray ray

THE_New_York_Giants
05-09-2012, 01:43 AM
Umenyiora for 1 year > 3rd round pick

Redeyejedi
05-09-2012, 01:43 AM
No way would i trade him for that. It will be like the 120th pick

ashleymarie
05-09-2012, 02:26 AM
We cannot afford to lose Osi, not this season.

rainierjef
05-09-2012, 02:47 AM
its funny how everyone wanted to get rid of osi, but now that there is an actual chance of it happening people are somewhat panicking.

Bluedawg
05-09-2012, 02:48 AM
This is getting kinda old Osi shouldnt be traded. Way to valuable especially for a 3rd round pick.

giantyankee1976
05-09-2012, 07:54 AM
its funny how everyone wanted to get rid of osi, but now that there is an actual chance of it happening people are somewhat panicking.


I don't believe there is as many people who want to get rid of Osi as you think.

Is he a diva? Yes. Is he a part of a strategic DLine rotation that works? Yes.

A 3rd Rounder almost means project/ bench-player. It's kind of insulting to ask for a Starter-level guy for a possible scrub.

what damns Osi, in the eyes of some of the fans and media, is his mouth/ tweets etc. (i.e diva tendencies)

I'd take his strip-sacks any Sunday/Monday of the week over a 3rd rounder.

Osi for 1 year &gt; 3rd round project

nygsb42champs
05-09-2012, 09:10 AM
I do not see Osi fitting into there 3-4 defense.

Kruunch
05-09-2012, 09:35 AM
Bet the Giants do it if the Ravens pony up a second round pick.

bigblue58
05-09-2012, 11:07 AM
If the Giants are serious about dealing Osi, it can't be for some draft pick next year, they have to get a quality player in a position of need who can start this season.
Osi is too much of an impact player to deal for a damned 6 pack of beer....which is what a lousy draft pick amounts to!
Our pass rush was instrumental in getting us through the playoffs and winning the SB, and with the loss of Tollefson and now possibly Osi...it's been greatly diminished!
What happenes if Kiwi or Pierre Paul goes down now that we don't have the pass rushing depth we depended on last season?

G-Man67
05-09-2012, 12:35 PM
no thanks !

Morehead State
05-09-2012, 12:46 PM
its funny how everyone wanted to get rid of osi, but now that there is an actual chance of it happening people are somewhat panicking.


I don't believe there is as many people who want to get rid of Osi as you think.

Is he a diva? Yes. Is he a part of a strategic DLine rotation that works? Yes.

A 3rd Rounder almost means project/ bench-player. It's kind of insulting to ask for a Starter-level guy for a possible scrub.

what damns Osi, in the eyes of some of the fans and media, is his mouth/ tweets etc. (i.e diva tendencies)

I'd take his strip-sacks any Sunday/Monday of the week over a 3rd rounder.

Osi for 1 year &gt; 3rd round project
</P>


I'd rather have JPP at right DE in passing downs instead.</P>

B&RWarrior
05-09-2012, 12:51 PM
Umenyiora for 1 year > 3rd round pick

+1

mainegiantsfan
05-09-2012, 12:57 PM
I agree. We need a player of similar ability at a need position. A future draft pick is not a good solution.

B&RWarrior
05-09-2012, 01:31 PM
its funny how everyone wanted to get rid of osi, but now that there is an actual chance of it happening people are somewhat panicking.


I don't believe there is as many people who want to get rid of Osi as you think.

Is he a diva? Yes.* Is he a part of a strategic DLine rotation that works? Yes.

A 3rd Rounder almost means project/ bench-player.* It's kind of insulting to ask for a Starter-level guy for a possible scrub.

what damns Osi, in the eyes of some of the fans and media, is his mouth/ tweets etc. (i.e diva tendencies)

I'd take his strip-sacks any Sunday/Monday of the week over a 3rd rounder.

Osi for 1 year > 3rd round project
</P>


I'd rather have JPP at right DE in passing downs instead.</P>

I disagree. Osi is the best edge rusher on the team- BY FAR!

buffyblue
05-09-2012, 01:46 PM
Folks are upset if he is traded? I wont be.

I don't NY Giants lose out either way. If we trade Osi Umenyora we get something for someone that is not going to be on tje team after this season. If we don't trade him it is highly likely that he will play because it is a contract year. He may even make an effort to tackke a running back. It is a win/win for us either way.

NY Giants have neen real good to Osi Umenyora. If he wants to continue to complain about the organization then send the malcontent packing.

Mod_C
05-09-2012, 02:20 PM
its funny how everyone wanted to get rid of osi, but now that there is an actual chance of it happening people are somewhat panicking.


Everyone did not want to get rid of Osi, they wanted to get rid of the Osi drama. Everyone knows we're better off with him on the team, but that means he's got to be ALL-IN.

RoanokeFan
05-09-2012, 02:44 PM
its funny how everyone wanted to get rid of osi, but now that there is an actual chance of it happening people are somewhat panicking.


I don't believe there is as many people who want to get rid of Osi as you think.

Is he a diva? Yes. Is he a part of a strategic DLine rotation that works? Yes.

A 3rd Rounder almost means project/ bench-player. It's kind of insulting to ask for a Starter-level guy for a possible scrub.

what damns Osi, in the eyes of some of the fans and media, is his mouth/ tweets etc. (i.e diva tendencies)

I'd take his strip-sacks any Sunday/Monday of the week over a 3rd rounder.

Osi for 1 year &gt; 3rd round project
</p>


I'd rather have JPP at right DE in passing downs instead.</p>

I think JPP has yet to find his stride. I'm anxious to see how he continues to develop.

Morehead State
05-09-2012, 03:17 PM
its funny how everyone wanted to get rid of osi, but now that there is an actual chance of it happening people are somewhat panicking.


I don't believe there is as many people who want to get rid of Osi as you think.

Is he a diva? Yes. Is he a part of a strategic DLine rotation that works? Yes.

A 3rd Rounder almost means project/ bench-player. It's kind of insulting to ask for a Starter-level guy for a possible scrub.

what damns Osi, in the eyes of some of the fans and media, is his mouth/ tweets etc. (i.e diva tendencies)

I'd take his strip-sacks any Sunday/Monday of the week over a 3rd rounder.

Osi for 1 year &gt; 3rd round project
</P>


I'd rather have JPP at right DE in passing downs instead.</P>


I disagree. Osi is the best edge rusher on the team- BY FAR!</P>


When Osi was in his second season he was still finding himself. Not even a starter yet really. After 2 seasons JPP is one of the top 3 DE's in the league (if not the best). The only direction for him to go is up. But he MUST play his natural position. To move him out of position to accomodate Osi is a waste of talent.</P>


Its gotta stop now,</P>

buffyblue
05-09-2012, 03:24 PM
its funny how everyone wanted to get rid of osi, but now that there is an actual chance of it happening people are somewhat panicking.


I don't believe there is as many people who want to get rid of Osi as you think.

Is he a diva? Yes.* Is he a part of a strategic DLine rotation that works? Yes.

A 3rd Rounder almost means project/ bench-player.* It's kind of insulting to ask for a Starter-level guy for a possible scrub.

what damns Osi, in the eyes of some of the fans and media, is his mouth/ tweets etc. (i.e diva tendencies)

I'd take his strip-sacks any Sunday/Monday of the week over a 3rd rounder.

Osi for 1 year > 3rd round project
</P>


I'd rather have JPP at right DE in passing downs instead.</P>


I disagree. Osi is the best edge rusher on the team- BY FAR!</P>


When Osi was in his second season he was still finding himself.* Not even a starter yet really.* After 2 seasons JPP is one of the top 3 DE's in the league (if not the best).* The only direction for him to go is up.* But he MUST play his natural position.* To move him out of position to accomodate Osi is a waste of talent.</P>


Its gotta stop now,</P>

Exactly. JPP should not be moved out of position to accomodate Osi Umenyora.

perez201
05-10-2012, 06:24 AM
make it a 2nd rounder and sign me up