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MRxAmazing
05-11-2012, 11:54 PM
Hello all! Having a good evening I hope. I was just watching some videos on here and they were talking about the WR's on the roster and such and it got me to wondering: Where has Ramses Barden been? What has hindered his playing time? The guy is a monster at 6'6 and 220+ lbs. and poses as a huge threat in the Red Zone (much like Plax was). He's even set a bunch of records in college (if memory serves me correct). But he's mostly remained a ghost come game time.

Has there ever been any word as to why we don't see him out there more and instead WR like Hixon, Jernigan and other less "impactful" guys are on the field? My only guess aside from players like Nicks & Cruz being stars, is that he just can't fully grasp the playbook. When the Giants drafted him, I fully expected him to take Plaxico's place and become a monster threat out there, but that's far from what's happened.

What do you think or know?

giantsfan420
05-12-2012, 12:07 AM
he was a project out of D-2 school.

Has issues off the line.
Raw.
Injury prone.
Not a good special teams player.

If he can get off press coverage, and stay healthy, I see no reason he can't excel in our offense. He's been here long enough to know the plays, its just the amount of time missed due to injury exceeds the amount of time he's been healthy.

I expect Barden to finally show why we drafted him. I still believe he can be effective, but now with Randle, and JJ getting into his 2nd year, it may be too little too late. I was excited too when we drafted him. But those highlites of him in college were against D-2 talent, something to keep in mind...

Drez
05-12-2012, 12:07 AM
Hello all! Having a good evening I hope. I was just watching some videos on here and they were talking about the WR's on the roster and such and it got me to wondering: Where has Ramses Barden been? What has hindered his playing time? The guy is a monster at 6'6 and 220+ lbs. and poses as a huge threat in the Red Zone (much like Plax was). He's even set a bunch of records in college (if memory serves me correct). But he's mostly remained a ghost come game time.

Has there ever been any word as to why we don't see him out there more and instead WR like Hixon, Jernigan and other less "impactful" guys are on the field? My only guess aside from players like Nicks & Cruz being stars, is that he just can't fully grasp the playbook. When the Giants drafted him, I fully expected him to take Plaxico's place and become a monster threat out there, but that's far from what's happened.

What do you think or know?

He's been injured a lot. And when he hasn't been, he hasn't fully taken advantage of his opportunities. This is a make it or break it year for him.

TheAussieGiant
05-12-2012, 12:19 AM
Ramses just doesn't look like he will ever get there to me.

From the limited amount of time he's been on the field he doesn't look to get off the line cleanly at all, his hands haven't been great, and he doesn't seem to locate the ball very well. To me it looks like he finds the ball slow, so he doesn't get his body in great position to get the ball, throws his hands at it and snatches at the ball.

I would much prefer to see a healthy Hixon and Jernigan on the roster rather than Barden.

MRxAmazing
05-12-2012, 12:29 AM
he was a project out of D-2 school.

Has issues off the line.
Raw.
Injury prone.
Not a good special teams player.

If he can get off press coverage, and stay healthy, I see no reason he can't excel in our offense. He's been here long enough to know the plays, its just the amount of time missed due to injury exceeds the amount of time he's been healthy.

I expect Barden to finally show why we drafted him. I still believe he can be effective, but now with Randle, and JJ getting into his 2nd year, it may be too little too late. I was excited too when we drafted him. But those highlites of him in college were against D-2 talent, something to keep in mind...
I just don't see Jernigan as much as a weapon on offense. He's a good special teams guy, but as far as being a threat at WR, if Barden is available, you have to assume he should be out there. Hell, just tell him to run straight and if there's man-to-man, just toss it up lol. The guy has probably about 6 inches on the average CB in the league. Even if he isn't great off the line, that doesn't mean he can't be a threat.

This is how I look at it. If you're inside the red zone, and the Giants decide to spread it out with Nicks, Cruz, and one or two other WR... don't you think Barden has to be the obvious choice? With his size you have to great respect that jump ball possibility, which then makes the defense pick their poison.

giantsfan420
05-12-2012, 12:36 AM
he was a project out of D-2 school.

Has issues off the line.
Raw.
Injury prone.
Not a good special teams player.

If he can get off press coverage, and stay healthy, I see no reason he can't excel in our offense. He's been here long enough to know the plays, its just the amount of time missed due to injury exceeds the amount of time he's been healthy.

I expect Barden to finally show why we drafted him. I still believe he can be effective, but now with Randle, and JJ getting into his 2nd year, it may be too little too late. I was excited too when we drafted him. But those highlites of him in college were against D-2 talent, something to keep in mind...
I just don't see Jernigan as much as a weapon on offense. He's a good special teams guy, but as far as being a threat at WR, if Barden is available, you have to assume he should be out there. Hell, just tell him to run straight and if there's man-to-man, just toss it up lol. The guy has probably about 6 inches on the average CB in the league. Even if he isn't great off the line, that doesn't mean he can't be a threat.

This is how I look at it. If you're inside the red zone, and the Giants decide to spread it out with Nicks, Cruz, and one or two other WR... don't you think Barden has to be the obvious choice? With his size you have to great respect that jump ball possibility, which then makes the defense pick their poison.


id love if that were the case, but ur not giving enough credit to JJ. He has excellent quickness and speed. He'll be our version of D.Jackson. JJ can go across the middle, and would actually be a much better go route target than Barden imho...

I'd love if Barden could be that redzone threat so many of us assumed he'd be, just hasnt worked out. And in todays game, if you struggle to get off the line in press coverage, the timing with the qb is thrown way off, and the receiver basically becomes useless...

i still am not giving up on Barden, but I wont discredit JJ. He gives us dimensions Barden can't, and it works the other way too, Barden gives us dimensions JJ cant. I'd prefer Randle, Barden, and JJ all are effective, and talented enough to be #1 or #2 or #3 on any team

MRxAmazing
05-12-2012, 12:52 AM
he was a project out of D-2 school.

Has issues off the line.
Raw.
Injury prone.
Not a good special teams player.

If he can get off press coverage, and stay healthy, I see no reason he can't excel in our offense. He's been here long enough to know the plays, its just the amount of time missed due to injury exceeds the amount of time he's been healthy.

I expect Barden to finally show why we drafted him. I still believe he can be effective, but now with Randle, and JJ getting into his 2nd year, it may be too little too late. I was excited too when we drafted him. But those highlites of him in college were against D-2 talent, something to keep in mind...
I just don't see Jernigan as much as a weapon on offense. He's a good special teams guy, but as far as being a threat at WR, if Barden is available, you have to assume he should be out there. Hell, just tell him to run straight and if there's man-to-man, just toss it up lol. The guy has probably about 6 inches on the average CB in the league. Even if he isn't great off the line, that doesn't mean he can't be a threat.

This is how I look at it. If you're inside the red zone, and the Giants decide to spread it out with Nicks, Cruz, and one or two other WR... don't you think Barden has to be the obvious choice? With his size you have to great respect that jump ball possibility, which then makes the defense pick their poison.


id love if that were the case, but ur not giving enough credit to JJ. He has excellent quickness and speed. He'll be our version of D.Jackson. JJ can go across the middle, and would actually be a much better go route target than Barden imho...

I'd love if Barden could be that redzone threat so many of us assumed he'd be, just hasnt worked out. And in todays game, if you struggle to get off the line in press coverage, the timing with the qb is thrown way off, and the receiver basically becomes useless...

i still am not giving up on Barden, but I wont discredit JJ. He gives us dimensions Barden can't, and it works the other way too, Barden gives us dimensions JJ cant. I'd prefer Randle, Barden, and JJ all are effective, and talented enough to be #1 or #2 or #3 on any team
Well in that case, let's just hope he can get his act together and give those defenses a reason to be terrified when he steps on the field. [;)]

RagTime Blue
05-12-2012, 02:57 AM
The other rap on Barden is that despite his height, he has (by NFL standards) ZERO vertical leaping ability. So it's not out of the question to be out-jumped by a guy 6'0". Jump-balls also involve timing, and Barden seems to have none of that.

Plus in order to get open you have to almost be a martial artist with your hands (gaining position while not drawing a flag). In college, he was used to sprinting untouched and looking over his shoulder for the ball.

I'm down on Ramses, especially since I bought into the (fan-generated) hype. I'm especially down since we spent 2 picks on him.

Plaxico's talent didn't rest in his height. . .he had (and still has) a mind and toughness to play the game. I'm not saying Ramses doesn't have that. . .but he hasn't shown it.

RichGiants81
05-12-2012, 05:38 AM
JJ hasn't shown anything to prove that he can ever make plays like deshaun Jackson (as much as I hate the guy) barden showed some flashes in new England and made some key plays to help win that game

Captain Chaos
05-12-2012, 06:24 AM
I'm not sure that Barden's ankle was fully healed last year. That said, this is the year he needs to pick it up and turn some heads. The opportunity is there; however, the competition is there as well. I really look forward to the competition for the third wide out this year, that along with some of the other positions that we need to fill should be a great off season. May the best man win!!!!!

GMENAGAIN
05-12-2012, 07:22 AM
Hello all! Having a good evening I hope. I was just watching some videos on here and they were talking about the WR's on the roster and such and it got me to wondering: Where has Ramses Barden been? What has hindered his playing time? The guy is a monster at 6'6 and 220+ lbs. and poses as a huge threat in the Red Zone (much like Plax was). He's even set a bunch of records in college (if memory serves me correct). But he's mostly remained a ghost come game time.

Has there ever been any word as to why we don't see him out there more and instead WR like Hixon, Jernigan and other less "impactful" guys are on the field? My only guess aside from players like Nicks & Cruz being stars, is that he just can't fully grasp the playbook. When the Giants drafted him, I fully expected him to take Plaxico's place and become a monster threat out there, but that's far from what's happened.

What do you think or know?
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Not sure how you can say that a player with zero career TD's poses a huge threat in the red zone . . . . </P>

B&RWarrior
05-12-2012, 07:33 AM
He's a good special teams guy,

JJ didin't do squat on special teams last year.

I still think Barden will come through. If JJ's been working hard this offseason who knows. I say Barden or JJ.

Especially in this offense, I think RR doesn't compete for the 3rd slot. Even the vet receivers have issues every now and then staying on the same page with Eli with these read-and-react option routes.

embeshAtYa
05-12-2012, 08:43 AM
hes not good

thomsoad
05-12-2012, 12:00 PM
Hes just been so injury prone. Which sux cuz i really liked the pick when we drafted him.

He has virtually no ST skills and even worse...he appears to be most comfortable in the slot. And no chance he overtakes Cruz for that position.

As a one time huge supporter of Barden...im sorry to say he wont make this years squad without some SERIOUS improvements to both his health and game.

hugehomer
05-12-2012, 12:07 PM
Barden,Beckum and Sintim are on the road to never wases.

B&RWarrior
05-12-2012, 12:09 PM
Hes just been so injury prone. Which sux cuz i really liked the pick when we drafted him.

He has virtually no ST skills and even worse...he appears to be most comfortable in the slot. And no chance he overtakes Cruz for that position.

As a one time huge supporter of Barden...im sorry to say he wont make this years squad without some SERIOUS improvements to both his health and game.

Ramses Barden will make the squad and SHOCK THE WORLD...

I say he'll be our #3. When have I, black Madden, led you astray? Don't answer that, it's a rhetorical question.

buddy33
05-12-2012, 12:37 PM
He needs to start playing like a guy his size.

NYtoSanDiego
05-12-2012, 04:01 PM
i think people are still stuck with the whole image of plax leaping over smaller CB and that's why fans are like what's going on with this guy.

barden is slow off the line and has trouble when corners press him. that's why i've never been a fan of wr over 6' 4" cause very few has top end speed.

nycisgreat
05-12-2012, 08:54 PM
Hello all! Having a good evening I hope. I was just watching some videos on here and they were talking about the WR's on the roster and such and it got me to wondering: Where has Ramses Barden been? What has hindered his playing time? The guy is a monster at 6'6 and 220+ lbs. and poses as a huge threat in the Red Zone (much like Plax was). He's even set a bunch of records in college (if memory serves me correct). But he's mostly remained a ghost come game time.

Has there ever been any word as to why we don't see him out there more and instead WR like Hixon, Jernigan and other less "impactful" guys are on the field? My only guess aside from players like Nicks &amp; Cruz being stars, is that he just can't fully grasp the playbook. When the Giants drafted him, I fully expected him to take Plaxico's place and become a monster threat out there, but that's far from what's happened.

What do you think or know?

He's been injured a lot. And when he hasn't been, he hasn't fully taken advantage of his opportunities. This is a make it or break it year for him.


+100

jomo
05-12-2012, 10:24 PM
hes not good<FONT color=#ff0000>Don't forget, he is tall.</FONT>

slipknottin
05-12-2012, 11:29 PM
height doesnt make a guy a redzone target.

Ball skills, high pointing the ball, being able to jump well, and the hand/arm strength to grab it and haul it in are way way more important.

And if a guy cant get off the jam in the endzone, he cant run any fade routes anyway.

888888
05-13-2012, 01:38 AM
Ramses Barden does not have the skills to get separation from defenders

krygny
05-13-2012, 06:52 AM
Barden,Beckum and Sintim are on the road to never wases.

Population, Sinorice Moss, et al ...

nycsportzfan
05-13-2012, 07:18 AM
I think he can get enough seperation, its more of being behind better players and not being healthy alot..I do think this is his last shot with us, and its looking more like i was dead wrong about em, but hes still got his last straw with us, to try and prove his value. We shall see..

miked1958
05-13-2012, 09:04 AM
As everyone in this thread has already stated barden has amounted to another S Moss so far and that equals BUST. Often injuried, can't get separation, drops passes. He showed a few flashes in a Dallas game 2 yrs ago but to few and far between.

miked1958
05-13-2012, 09:06 AM
This will be it for him. He will compete for that 3 rd spot but really I don't see him beating out JJ, Randall, Hixon or maybe even Depalma for that matter. I think he get released during training camp after 2-3 Pre season games max

mercurig
05-13-2012, 12:59 PM
When you are 6" taller than your defender, how much separation do you need?
Both RB & Hixon suffered from "Manningitus". Remember our QB was not known for his accuracy prior to last season and was stretching out his receivers & getting them injured.
Last season Barden was coaching everything thrown to him , but*When you are 6" taller than your defenderr, how much separation do you need?
Both RB & Hixon suffered from "Manningitus". Rememer our QB was not known for his accuracy prior to last season and was stretching out his receivers & getting them injured.
Last season Barden was catching everything thrown to him , but didn't get much play time due to the top 3.
He has a shot this year to stay if he pIcks up his game.

miked1958
05-13-2012, 01:32 PM
When you are 6" taller than your defender, how much separation do you need?
Both RB & Hixon suffered from "Manningitus". Remember our QB was not known for his accuracy prior to last season and was stretching out his receivers & getting them injured.
Last season Barden was coaching everything thrown to him , but*When you are 6" taller than your defenderr, how much separation do you need?
Both RB & Hixon suffered from "Manningitus". Rememer our QB was not known for his accuracy prior to last season and was stretching out his receivers & getting them injured.
Last season Barden was catching everything thrown to him , but didn't get much play time due to the top 3.
He has a shot this year to stay if he pIcks up his game.We will see. Hey how did your post repeat itself within itself 3 times

miked1958
05-13-2012, 01:33 PM
Lol

BigBlue1971
05-13-2012, 01:38 PM
like many have said here Barden is just tall and cant even jump! </P>


personally i think hes scared of being hit. no way a guy his size shouldnt bowling peopleover!</P>


hes has a more than 70% chance of being cut out of camp imo!</P>


maybe one of these undrafted rooks will supplant Barden! </P>


</P>

jakegibbs
05-13-2012, 01:44 PM
Hello all! Having a good evening I hope. I was just watching some videos on here and they were talking about the WR's on the roster and such and it got me to wondering: Where has Ramses Barden been? What has hindered his playing time? The guy is a monster at 6'6 and 220+ lbs. and poses as a huge threat in the Red Zone (much like Plax was). He's even set a bunch of records in college (if memory serves me correct). But he's mostly remained a ghost come game time.

Has there ever been any word as to why we don't see him out there more and instead WR like Hixon, Jernigan and other less "impactful" guys are on the field? My only guess aside from players like Nicks & Cruz being stars, is that he just can't fully grasp the playbook. When the Giants drafted him, I fully expected him to take Plaxico's place and become a monster threat out there, but that's far from what's happened.

What do you think or know?


Slow, ackward, injury prone, can't grasp offense, can't block downfield, can't help out of ST. Can't do it just can't make this team. He's out by the time they cut down to final 53 man roster unless the dreaded WR injury bug starts biting & biting hard.

sodbuster
05-13-2012, 04:24 PM
barden is not slow on cruz's 99 yard TD catch and run. barden #13 runs down the side line and kept up with cruz to the end zone. he was hardly running.. he is not slow...he also knows the play book he knows all 3 WR spots.. this was said by gilbride last year..

GMENAGAIN
05-14-2012, 07:18 AM
When you are 6" taller than your defender, how much separation do you need? Both RB &amp; Hixon suffered from "Manningitus". Remember our QB was not known for his accuracy prior to last season and was stretching out his receivers &amp; getting them injured. Last season Barden was coaching everything thrown to him , butWhen you are 6" taller than your defenderr, how much separation do you need? Both RB &amp; Hixon suffered from "Manningitus". Rememer our QB was not known for his accuracy prior to last season and was stretching out his receivers &amp; getting them injured. Last season Barden was catching everything thrown to him , but didn't get much play time due to the top 3. He has a shot this year to stay if he pIcks up his game.</P>


[:^)]</P>

B&RWarrior
05-14-2012, 08:38 AM
he was a project out of D-2 school.

Has issues off the line.
Raw.
Injury prone.
Not a good special teams player.

If he can get off press coverage, and stay healthy, I see no reason he can't excel in our offense. He's been here long enough to know the plays, its just the amount of time missed due to injury exceeds the amount of time he's been healthy.

I expect Barden to finally show why we drafted him. I still believe he can be effective, but now with Randle, and JJ getting into his 2nd year, it may be too little too late. I was excited too when we drafted him. But those highlites of him in college were against D-2 talent, something to keep in mind...

+1000

Ramses will rise like the mighty Euphrates River...or at least make the cut.

G-Man67
05-14-2012, 03:50 PM
yeah well you got injuries, performance, lack of consistency and he isn't good enough on STs to get dressed every game



def. an important season if he is to have an NFL career