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RoanokeFan
05-12-2012, 02:21 PM
GIANTS SEE VERSATILITY IN FORMER RUTGERS' STANDOUT JOE MARTINEK (http://www.nj.com/giants/index.ssf/2012/05/giants_see_versatility_in_form.html)

"After going undrafted, former Rutgers fullback Joe Martinek said he was in
contact with Buccaneers and former Rutgers head coach Greg Schiano, but
chose the Giants because it "was the better fit for me."


Martinek, a Hopatcong naitive, said he didn't grow up a fan of any particular
NFL team, but his friends and family are big fans of the Giants and he views
being close to home as an advantage. </p>


Now that he's got his chance, he's looking to make the most of it. </p>


"I think my first impression was good," the converted fullback said. "I got
to get into the playbook -- the different terminologies are frustrating at times
but you got to get into the playbook, got to remember and just follow the
schedule and do whatever you're asked to do."</p>


Martinek is one of eight undrafted free agent signings at rookie minicamp
this weekend and Gilbride said he projects the former tailback as a fullback,
though he maintained Martinek brings versatility to the table. </p>


"That fullback position is so versatile depending on who it is that's
playing," Gilbride said. "But if he ever became the fullback, I think you would
probably expand the movement in terms of taking him out of the backfield and
putting him into that detached position that sometimes the tight ends will go to
and see if he can catch the ball and do some things."</p>

buddy33
05-12-2012, 04:30 PM
I know if he makes the team someone has to go but I'm really pulling for him. I mean his nickname is Jesey Joe. He would be an instant fan favorite.

I'm an RU fan and I know he is a hard worker, good character guy, very good blocker, can catch very well out of the backfield, and he can move better than some on the team.

Pakman
05-13-2012, 10:08 PM
I know if he makes the team someone has to go but I'm really pulling for him. I mean his nickname is Jesey Joe. He would be an instant fan favorite.

I'm an RU fan and I know he is a hard worker, good character guy, very good blocker, can catch very well out of the backfield, and he can move better than some on the team.

Do you think he can block better than Hynoski?

slipknottin
05-13-2012, 10:10 PM
Do you think he can block better than Hynoski?

Hes 40 pounds smaller... No. Not even in the same ballpark.

For comparison, hes the exact same size as DJ Ware.

buddy33
05-13-2012, 10:45 PM
That doesn't mean he is not a good blocker.

I would say Maryinek is better catching the ball out of the backfield and much faster.

slipknottin
05-13-2012, 10:47 PM
That doesn't mean he is not a good blocker.

It means he is never going to be capable of moving a 250 pound LB out of the hole like Hynoski can.

buddy33
05-13-2012, 10:50 PM
Maybe, but I watched him play and he he plays bigger than he really is. Also, if needed, he could always add 10-15 pounds. He used o be a RB and I'm sure he wasn't trying to be bigger.

slipknottin
05-13-2012, 10:52 PM
Also, if needed, he could always add 10-15 pounds.

And that would still put him at least 20 pounds smaller than Hynoski.

And likely harm his catching and speed.

Martinek is going to have a very different role than Hynoski, they arent going to be asked to do the same things. They arent in direct competition.

buddy33
05-13-2012, 10:57 PM
Honestly I didn't even mean to say he would take his job, but there are other guys that might be in trouble if he shines in camp.

slipknottin
05-13-2012, 11:02 PM
Honestly I didn't even mean to say he would take his job, but there are other guys that might be in trouble if he shines in camp.

Possibly. I just think we should classify "FB" as a single position where they all do the same thing. Just like WR or TE, different types of players can bring different skill sets. And can compliment each other.

As I said in another thread, I think Martinek could find a role in passing downs, as a sort of 3rd down FB.

If they go multiple WRs then defenses will go to nickel or dime defenses, where Martinek can be an effective blocker against smaller defenders than trying to take on 250+ pound LBs in a I formation. And his blocking skills can suit him as a pass blocker, and he is an accomplished receiver out of the backfield.

That gives both Martinek and Hynoski clear roles, where they compliment the offense and each other.

BlueSanta
05-14-2012, 03:05 AM
As I stated in the other thread, I do not think Hynoski is in danger of losing his job right now. But we absolutely have to have someone on the roster who can be a backup fullback. For the past few seasons it has been Pascoe. But, Pascoe is in a dog fight for his position. If Martinek can take over as a backup FB ,and also provide a little depth at RB the way Ruben Droughns did for us in 2007, then Pascoes stock goes down just a bit more since he isnt needed as a backup FB. Maybe that little bit ends up being the difference in him making the team or not.

Furthermore, while I agree that Joe is unlikely to be a starting FB in the NFL at 224 lbs, Him Bulking up to 240+ is certainly possible and that's plenty big enough to be a NFL FB. In fact, you could argue the best FB in the NFL last year was Marcel Reece, and he is 240.

slipknottin
05-14-2012, 05:38 PM
In fact, you could argue the best FB in the NFL last year was Marcel Reece, and he is 240.


Also one of the worst blocking FBs in the league.

DVision
05-14-2012, 05:46 PM
Honestly I didn't even mean to say he would take his job, but there are other guys that might be in trouble if he shines in camp.

Possibly. I just think we should classify "FB" as a single position where they all do the same thing. Just like WR or TE, different types of players can bring different skill sets. And can compliment each other.

As I said in another thread, I think Martinek could find a role in passing downs, as a sort of 3rd down FB.

If they go multiple WRs then defenses will go to nickel or dime defenses, where Martinek can be an effective blocker against smaller defenders than trying to take on 250+ pound LBs in a I formation. And his blocking skills can suit him as a pass blocker, and he is an accomplished receiver out of the backfield.

That gives both Martinek and Hynoski clear roles, where they compliment the offense and each other.

I agree slip. In fact I believe Gilbride mentioned the options Martinek would give them as a 3rd down single back. He can run, pass protect, and he even mentioned motioning him out the backfield and creating mismatches.

BlueSanta
05-14-2012, 06:34 PM
In fact, you could argue the best FB in the NFL last year was Marcel Reece, and he is 240.


Also one of the worst blocking FBs in the league.

Well, thats your opinion, 1 I do not share. He was a very good lead blocker last year. Here is a quote from waterfootball "Marcel "Matchup Nightmare" Reece is one of the top fullbacks in the NFL. He does everything really well" The Raiders

But the point really is that if he gets to 240, which is very realistic, he would have the size play FB in this league. Another example would be Tony Fiammetta, who is listed at 6' 242. Are you going to argue he is also a bad lead blocker too?

He already had the versatility to add value, with a little time he could easily add the size too complete the package.

slipknottin
05-14-2012, 06:49 PM
with a little time he could easily add the size too complete the package.


Fiammetta was/is playing at over 250 pounds.

The assumption that Martinek can add another 30+ pounds and somehow retain all his other skills is a massive one.

I just dont understand why you are so desperate to make him a fullback in the Hynoski role, why not let him do what he does instead of jam him into a completely different role.

And really, walterfootball as some sort of football reference is not validating your position.

BlueSanta
05-14-2012, 07:07 PM
with a little time he could easily add the size too complete the package.


Fiammetta was/is playing at over 250 pounds.

From NFl.com.
Height: 6-0
Weight: 242

http://www.nfl.com/player/tonyfiammetta/71299/profile

slipknottin
05-14-2012, 07:12 PM
From NFl.com.
Height: 6-0 *
Weight: 242

http://www.nfl.com/player/tonyfiammetta/71299/profile


Yea, and Wilfork is 325 pounds...

How about another example, Tamba Hali admitted that when they switched to a 3-4 he dropped to under 250 pounds, he is still listed at 275.

Bradshaw last season played at over 220 pounds. Still listed at 214.

Chad OchoCinco said on twitter he was always supposed to report to the bengals at like 185 pounds, his official listed weight is 192.

There are millions of other examples. nfl.com listed weights have almost no correlation to what a player weighs currently.

The closest us fans ever get, apart from when a player tells the media what he currently weighs, or a team insider gives out some weight, is the nfl scouting combine and prodays, but even a couple months after those end the weights can be wrong.

Coughlin said the other day that Matt McCants came in bigger than he was at the combine, yet he weighed 306 at the combine, and is listed at 295 on nfl.com.

BlueSanta
05-14-2012, 07:17 PM
You are argueing semantics and trying to change the subject because you know my underlying point is correct. He could easily get to 240+ and that is plenty big enough to play Fullback.

I dont know why I bother responding, Gilbride has already confirmed my point, he is a FULLBACK. Get over yourself.

slipknottin
05-14-2012, 07:38 PM
He could easily get to 240+ and that is plenty big enough to play Fullback.

Yea, adding 30 or so pounds is no big deal at all, any player can surely do that with no issue...

Or that is a massive assumption that you are making.

I didnt hear in there anywhere where Gilbride talked about having him add another 30 pounds.

Like I said, perhaps as a 3rd down FB, he gives another receiving option, and is a good pass blocker. Gives you a two back 3 wide set.


Im always skeptical anytime anyone talks about position changes or playing a position when you are not close to the ideal size. Have to see how that plays out.

Then we have the whole issue of if Martinek was so talented, why did he not get drafted?

Yea yea, we know Cruz story, but how many posts were there the day after Cruz signed as a UDFA talking about how he was a great player? None

B&RWarrior
05-14-2012, 07:58 PM
He could easily get to 240+ and that is plenty big enough to play Fullback.

Yea, adding 30 or so pounds is no big deal at all, any player can surely do that with no issue...

Or that is a massive assumption that you are making.

I didnt hear in there anywhere where Gilbride talked about having him add another 30 pounds.

Like I said, perhaps as a 3rd down FB, he gives another receiving option, and is a good pass blocker. Gives you a two back 3 wide set.


Im always skeptical anytime anyone talks about position changes or playing a position when you are not close to the ideal size. Have to see how that plays out.

Then we have the whole issue of if Martinek was so talented, why did he not get drafted?

Yea yea, we know Cruz story, but how many posts were there the day after Cruz signed as a UDFA talking about how he was a great player? None

Hynoski hasn't played average he's excelled at FB. It's gonna take a lot to supplant him as the starter.

BlueSanta
05-14-2012, 08:44 PM
He could easily get to 240+ and that is plenty big enough to play Fullback.

Yea, adding 30 or so pounds is no big deal at all, any player can surely do that with no issue...

Or that is a massive assumption that you are making.

I didnt hear in there anywhere where Gilbride talked about having him add another 30 pounds.

Like I said, perhaps as a 3rd down FB, he gives another receiving option, and is a good pass blocker. Gives you a two back 3 wide set.


Im always skeptical anytime anyone talks about position changes or playing a position when you are not close to the ideal size. Have to see how that plays out.

Then we have the whole issue of if Martinek was so talented, why did he not get drafted?

Yea yea, we know Cruz story, but how many posts were there the day after Cruz signed as a UDFA talking about how he was a great player? None

You are doing a fantastic job of trying to change the subject.


I have never said he was the answer to anything I said why we brought him in. Nor did I say he will make the team. Everything I said I have been clear on saying he needs to make the team 1st. You said we brought him in to play HB, I said We brought him in because of versatility. Many of the things I said he could do you said he could not. Turns out, Gilbride agrees with me.

And since when does a guy 224 lbs need to gain 30 lbs to reach 240?

giantcarll
05-14-2012, 09:35 PM
Wasnt this guy a tailback the first 3 years and then converted to fullback in his senior year?This guy is a good runner and catcher out of the backfield.If I was Coughlin I would add him to the runningnback committee ,either jettison Ware or Brown pref Ware.Dont know why we hold on to a back that does nothing for us but give somewhat ball security and a blow for Bradshaw.Keeping a younger prospect that can do everything and more as a 4th back I dont think you can go wrong.Leave the Rhino at fullback and put Jersey Joe as a RB.Just look at all the different types of RB's we could put on the field.