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True 2 Blue
05-19-2012, 02:54 AM
He was a second round pick so the talent is obviously there, he has been with the team for a few years now so he knows the players, coaches and knows the defense, injuries have held him back, now that he is healthy i expect this guy to be a huge help at LB

giantsfan420
05-19-2012, 02:57 AM
He was a second round pick so the talent is obviously there, he has been with the team for a few years now so he knows the players, coaches and knows the defense, injuries have held him back, now that he is healthy i expect this guy to be a huge help at LB


I just dont think he meshes w our scheme. He could prob be alright in kiwis role, but i think sintim would be much better as an olb in a 3/4 look

I hope ur right tho, just dont know if theres even any room. We gotta bunch of lbs who can play in diff roles and situations...

shotcalla39
05-19-2012, 03:14 AM
I highly doubt it... If he was any good our coaches woulda put him on the field... He's a total bust

AllTuckedUp
05-19-2012, 03:21 AM
I highly doubt it... If he was any good our coaches woulda put him on the field... He's a total bust

I wouldn't call him a bust yet. I would give him this year to prove himself. However, with all of our linebackers it's going to be hard for him to get on the field.

Rat_bastich
05-19-2012, 03:49 AM
With all the young talent at linebacker, the inability of Sintim to get on the field and a year removed from a serious injury the only surprise I see from Sintim is staying on the roster another year. I think he will be a camp cut and an early one at that.

TheAussieGiant
05-19-2012, 05:27 AM
Sintim's problem has been that he is soft...he gets on that field and tries to run around blockers, and when there is contact he gets blown right out of the play.

For a man with Sintim's size and speed I'd be expecting him to be coming downhill and wanting to smack people, he just doesn't have enough mongrel in him.

Rat_bastich
05-19-2012, 05:31 AM
and wanting to smack people

I think that is the problem right there. He needs to ball his fist up and beat them down instead.

But, I agree. He's a tap dancer, not a break dancer.

RagTime Blue
05-19-2012, 05:35 AM
Being a 2nd round pick doesn't make you talented. It means someone thought you could play.

Maybe the USFL will welcome him.

ryan12
05-19-2012, 06:53 AM
Sintim sucks

Coach Carter
05-19-2012, 07:15 AM
He was a second round pick so the talent is obviously there, he has been with the team for a few years now so he knows the players, coaches and knows the defense, injuries have held him back, now that he is healthy i expect this guy to be a huge help at LB


I agree, but it won't be at linebacker, he will make a splash rushing the passer. Sintim will be the replacement for Tolly.

jomo
05-19-2012, 08:07 AM
<FONT color=#ff0000>Between DJ Ware and Sintim, this team is going to be loaded.</FONT>

GMENAGAIN
05-19-2012, 08:10 AM
He was a second round pick so the talent is obviously there, he has been with the team for a few years now so he knows the players, coaches and knows the defense, injuries have held him back, now that he is healthy i expect this guy to be a huge help at LB
I agree, but it won't be at linebacker, he will make a splash rushing the passer. Sintim will be the replacement for Tolly.</P>


Yes, because he has shown such tremendous pass rush skills so far . . . . </P>


It would surprise me if he made the team . . . . </P>

hungrrrry
05-19-2012, 08:20 AM
Sintim ranks right up there with Ramses Barden. He has shown nothing to date so nothing should suggest he will surprise anyone.
I am all for dumping some of these dust collecting project players.
I had high hopes for Barden even at the beginning of the 2012 off-season but came back to reality since the draft. These two guys need monster training camps to avoid being cut if you ask me!

Sintim had my curiosity piqued when he was drafted but he showed no desire, no competativeness, no durability for someone with little playing time. Cutbait!

Captain Chaos
05-19-2012, 10:50 AM
Whie I hope he does well, I think Sintim will have a difficult time comming back from that knee injury. Additionally, we have some pretty good guys that he will have to beat out. It will be a challenge but who knows.

JesseJames
05-19-2012, 11:32 AM
I doubt that Sintim makes the roster as a LBer, but he was a decent pass rusher in college and IMO rushing the passer is the only way he makes the team and not as a LBer...He should have been drafted by a team that runs a 3/4 defense...

XxBigWhitxX
05-19-2012, 12:18 PM
Why don't we just move him to DE?

jomo
05-19-2012, 12:42 PM
Why don't we just move him to DE?Move him to LO. (think about that one for a while).

XxBigWhitxX
05-19-2012, 01:20 PM
Why don't we just move him to DE?Move him to LO. (think about that one for a while).yea...don't get it.

myles2424
05-19-2012, 01:22 PM
I'm just going to start making random "____ will suprise alot of people this season" threads......

Who's next? We already have ware & sintim...
Barden will suprise
Jernigan will suprise
Greg jones will suprise
Travis beckum will surprise
Paysinger will suprise
Sash will suprise

People slowly start losing their minds in the offseason

THE_New_York_Giants
05-19-2012, 01:27 PM
He would be really good in a 3-4, but not a 4-3

jomo
05-19-2012, 01:39 PM
Why don't we just move him to DE?Move him to LO. (think about that one for a while).yea...don't get it.Left out.

JJC7301
05-19-2012, 11:50 PM
Gholston > Sintim...that's how little I think of Sintim, but much more was expected from Gholston than Sintim.

Sintim is an absolute bust. Call it the wrong scheme or wrong team for him...whatever. The guy sucks.

miked1958
05-20-2012, 12:48 AM
I think he will follow in Goffs footsteps. If he plays in the NFL this season it won't be with the giants

DragonSoul
05-20-2012, 02:38 AM
Feel free to hold your breath lol

Roswell777
05-20-2012, 08:30 AM
Trade him to the Jets for a bowl of steam.

river555
05-20-2012, 10:52 AM
He only has one year left on the team and we know he will not be starting. what i would do is strickly use him as a pass rushing speacialist on passing downs. so instead of having him practice, learn and develop into an all around LB, he will only concentrate on devolping his pass rush and only be on the field to chase the QB. I think thats how we can get the most out of him.

gmen0820
05-20-2012, 11:19 AM
I don't think Sintim can do anything in any scheme, but if we keep him just because he's under contract for another year, I wouldn't mind seeing him as a 9T on like third downs.

MikeSherrard
05-20-2012, 12:06 PM
I like the logic here......he was awful when healthy and now he is coming off of consecutive surgeries and a multitude of injuries......

Yes....it will be a surprise for sure!

CDN_G-FAN
05-20-2012, 01:38 PM
Sintim ranks right up there with Ramses Barden. He has shown nothing to date so nothing should suggest he will surprise anyone.
I am all for dumping some of these dust collecting project players.
I had high hopes for Barden even at the beginning of the 2012 off-season but came back to reality since the draft. These two guys need monster training camps to avoid being cut if you ask me!

Sintim had my curiosity piqued when he was drafted but he showed no desire, no competativeness, no durability for someone with little playing time. Cutbait!

no desire, no competativeness, no durability.

that has been the whispered report on Sintim since he got here.

don't know why it would change now.

DemandedAce
05-20-2012, 01:45 PM
Wtf is it lately that has people picking random players that will "surprise a lot of people"? My god post draft offseason brings in some seriously ridiculous stuff and people

chasjay
05-20-2012, 02:29 PM
He will surprise me if he dresses for every game - and he'll surprise me even more if he "makes a difference" in any of our games. Nothing against him and I'd be delighted if he surprises me - but right now, I just don't see it.

Mercury
05-20-2012, 09:44 PM
<font color="#FF0000">Why? Is he gonna jump out of a cake or something?</font>

NYG4lifeNYK
05-20-2012, 10:14 PM
<font color="#ff0000">Between DJ Ware and Sintim, this team is going to be loaded.</font>

LOL

slipknottin
05-20-2012, 10:53 PM
Nothing on this entire forum annoys me more than people believing that Sintim somehow would have been tremendous in a 3-4.

What has he shown in his 3 seasons that translates to him being a productive 3-4 player? What?

A completely unblocked sack of Romo?

Hes the biggest LB on the roster (apart from Kiwi) and he plays like the softest. Thats not a scheme problem. Watch him on special teams if you want the entire story of him as a player. He runs around everyone, wont take on guys SMALLER than him on kickoff coverage. He is extremely tentative. Reese called him out a couple times saying he needs to play like a 250+ pound player.

Is the idea that somehow if he was playing for a 3-4 team he would be more physical on STs? Or that 3-4 team LBs dont need to be as physical?

giantsfan420
05-20-2012, 11:07 PM
Nothing on this entire forum annoys me more than people believing that Sintim somehow would have been tremendous in a 3-4.

What has he shown in his 3 seasons that translates to him being a productive 3-4 player? What?

A completely unblocked sack of Romo?

Hes the biggest LB on the roster (apart from Kiwi) and he plays like the softest. Thats not a scheme problem. Watch him on special teams if you want the entire story of him as a player. He runs around everyone, wont take on guys SMALLER than him on kickoff coverage. He is extremely tentative. Reese called him out a couple times saying he needs to play like a 250+ pound player.

Is the idea that somehow if he was playing for a 3-4 team he would be more physical on STs? Or that 3-4 team LBs dont need to be as physical?

i think he'd be better in a 3-4 bc i know he cant cut it as a 4-3 olb.
plus in college didnt he play 3-4 olb and de?

i dont see how that could be the more annoying thing for you, seems pretty trivial...oh no, some people believe he'd be better in a 3-4 front, oh the humanity!

and the reasons u list for why he wouldnt be good in a 3-4 isnt accurate for that particular assessment...the reasons u list is why sintim shouldnt play football, not why he shouldnt be in a 3-4. does those reasons u list somehow make him a better fit for a 4-3??

again, we pretty much know he doesnt cut it in a 4-3 front, how is believing he'd be better in a 3-4 inaccurate...at all...?

edit-further, its just my opinion. and i rarely see it discussed. a few other people share that opinion...i could list a dozen more annoying practices done around here

myles2424
05-20-2012, 11:08 PM
Nothing on this entire forum annoys me more than people believing that Sintim somehow would have been tremendous in a 3-4.

What has he shown in his 3 seasons that translates to him being a productive 3-4 player? What?

A completely unblocked sack of Romo?

Hes the biggest LB on the roster (apart from Kiwi) and he plays like the softest. Thats not a scheme problem. Watch him on special teams if you want the entire story of him as a player. He runs around everyone, wont take on guys SMALLER than him on kickoff coverage. He is extremely tentative. Reese called him out a couple times saying he needs to play like a 250+ pound player.

Is the idea that somehow if he was playing for a 3-4 team he would be more physical on STs? Or that 3-4 team LBs dont need to be as physical? ^^^ this & hearing how some people believe he can be used at DE to fill in as tolly's role is ridiculous, I must've missed this pass rushing ability he's shown since being a NYG....

slipknottin
05-20-2012, 11:29 PM
the reasons u list is why sintim shouldnt play football, not why he shouldnt be in a 3-4. does those reasons u list somehow make him a better fit for a 4-3??

Thats exactly it. He isnt a good football player. What scheme he is in makes absolutely no difference what so ever.

He has shown absolutely NOTHING that should make anyone think he would play well in ANY system.

Its just idiotic to say he has shown absolutely nothing at all in a 4-3, but put him in a 3-4 and he would be great. What has he shown in the NFL that would make him a good player in a 3-4? What?

giantsfan420
05-20-2012, 11:32 PM
the reasons u list is why sintim shouldnt play football, not why he shouldnt be in a 3-4. does those reasons u list somehow make him a better fit for a 4-3??

Thats exactly it. He isnt a good football player. What scheme he is in makes absolutely no difference what so ever.

He has shown absolutely NOTHING that should make anyone think he would play well in ANY system.

Its just idiotic to say he has shown absolutely nothing at all in a 4-3, but put him in a 3-4 and he would be great. What has he shown in the NFL that would make him a good player in a 3-4? What?

oh i never said hed be great...if some one said that that is annoying. i just think he may be a better fit in that defense

slipknottin
05-20-2012, 11:33 PM
oh i never said hed be great...if some one said that that is annoying. i just think he may be a better fit in that defense

BASED ON WHAT???

What have you EVER seen from him in the NFL that indicates to you he would be better in a 3-4?

giantsfan420
05-20-2012, 11:49 PM
oh i never said hed be great...if some one said that that is annoying. i just think he may be a better fit in that defense

BASED ON WHAT???

What have you EVER seen from him in the NFL that indicates to you he would be better in a 3-4?

Based on he was a 34 lb in college, and based on hes done zero in our d front...its not that i think his skillset is why, its the fact hes done nothing here so he could possibly do something in that d front...anyways whats it matter? Ive never said hed be great there or nothing...i just have a diff opinion then u i guess...u could think its wrong but i dont so there we r

giantsfan420
05-20-2012, 11:53 PM
Btw, havent u used that line of thinking and been proven wron already? Dunno if it was u but i remeber someone going "what makes u think canty/boleykiwi (at lb) will do anything for us?"

Lack of evidence is not sufficient enough to make a conclusion on anything...i think the legal term is lack of evidence is not proof or something

slipknottin
05-21-2012, 12:07 AM
I'll ask again because you are clearly missing this.

What has Sintim done in the Nfl to indicate to you that he would be good in a 3-4?

Stating that he sucks in a 4-3 is clearly not a reason that he would be good in a 3-4. Really the exact opposite. It's far more likely someone who sucks in one system would suck in all systems.

Nobody cares what he did in college anymore. That was 3 years ago.

giantsfan420
05-21-2012, 12:18 AM
I'll ask again because you are clearly missing this.

What has Sintim done in the Nfl to indicate to you that he would be good in a 3-4?

Stating that he sucks in a 4-3 is clearly not a reason that he would be good in a 3-4. Really the exact opposite. It's far more likely someone who sucks in one system would suck in all systems.

Nobody cares what he did in college anymore. That was 3 years ago.

Let me say this again bc i dont think ur getting it...im not saying hed be good, im saying he might be better suited for it, bc despite it being an eternity ago...oh wait nm it was just three years ago, he actually played in a 34 system...i reallybdont care about this topic, at all...so ok im off it

giantsfan420
05-21-2012, 12:21 AM
Oh, and how he played in that 34 led to him being a 2nd rd draft pick i believe...

I dont get what ur trying to do here...make sure no one else has a diff opinion or something? I can see where ur coming from, i just think differently...im not "clearly missing" anything

jhamburg
05-21-2012, 03:57 AM
Oh, and how he played in that 34 led to him being a 2nd rd draft pick i believe...

I dont get what ur trying to do here...make sure no one else has a diff opinion or something? I can see where ur coming from, i just think differently...im not "clearly missing" anything

How many guys can you think of, throughout the NFL, who did absolutely nothing in one system and then took off in another system?

One guy I can think of is Cameron Wake, but he didn't get nearly the shot as a UFA that Sintim is getting. Aaron Maybin would be another example, but 6 sacks isn't exactly off the chain for a top-15 pick.

giantsfan420
05-21-2012, 04:56 AM
Lack of evidence isnt a lack of proof...i only follow the giants really so i dont have a good enough history to answer ur question concerning lb besides the guys u mention

Again, dont misconsture me saying he might be better in a 34 with me saying hed be good...just saying simply he was a good olb in college in the 34 d...it was known when we drafted him that hed need to transition. Injuries and an inability to drop in pass coverage have led to him doing nothing here...

Had he been drafted by a team like pitt or balt, he could have been better than hes shown here...

Dont know whats so complicated about that...

giantsfan420
05-21-2012, 05:07 AM
I dunno how this is a stretch for some people to grasp.

His best trait in college was his edge pass rush ability. He almost never dropped into coverage, and was above avg to avg in run support.

In our d, the olb aint doing a ton of pass rushing...a guy like kiwi who showed flashes of top de play has what, 4 sacks since moving to lb?

Again, im not saying sintim would be good or even better, i just think he fits better in a 34 front...i mean almost every analyst and scout said the same thing...look up his draft profile...dunno how this is even debatable...

slipknottin
05-21-2012, 08:16 AM
You keep going to college like its relevant. It's not. Has Sintim shown pass rush ability in the nfl? No. In fact that is probably where he played his worst

He was better in coverage than he was against the run. Which just goes back to him playing tentative and not to his size or strength.

Firenugget
05-21-2012, 08:53 AM
I expect "nothing" from Sintim until I see "something". He's given no cause for excitement so far. I'm much more excited to see Williams come back after a full off season program and a year of playing under his belt.

nygsb42champs
05-21-2012, 09:04 AM
There is no way he even makes the team.

jhamburg
05-21-2012, 09:30 AM
I dunno how this is a stretch for some people to grasp.

His best trait in college was his edge pass rush ability. He almost never dropped into coverage, and was above avg to avg in run support.

In our d, the olb aint doing a ton of pass rushing...a guy like kiwi who showed flashes of top de play has what, 4 sacks since moving to lb?

Again, im not saying sintim would be good or even better, i just think he fits better in a 34 front...i mean almost every analyst and scout said the same thing...look up his draft profile...dunno how this is even debatable...

On that point I think you are right. His ideal fit would have been 3-4 OLB.

Still though, I think many overestimate the impact that scheme has on a player's success.

I mean when Denver drafted Von Miller, everyone talked about what a waste it was to put him at 4-3 OLB (basically the same situation as Sintim, except a much better prospect obviously). Well no, he dominated just as he would have on a 3-4 team. When they moved Mario Williams to OLB, everyone was like lol 290 pound linebacker? But he was just fine.

Remember when the Jets were going to resurrect Vernon Gholston's career by moving him to his "natural" 4-3 DE position? Yeah good luck in the arena league.

If a guy is a good pass rusher, that talent is never going to go to waste. They'll find a way to use you regardless of your position. But if that pass rushing talent doesn't show up in the first 2-3 years in the league, you're generally toast.

GiantPride27
05-21-2012, 09:54 AM
"oh honey"

bearbryant
05-21-2012, 10:30 AM
I'd love tobelieve in miracleshowever... Lets move on!

G-Man67
05-21-2012, 03:24 PM
he flashed some edge rushing ability, but he's gotta become more complete and he's gotta contribute on STs</P>


oh and obviously, stay healthy</P>

burier
05-21-2012, 03:30 PM
Said it before and I'll say it again:

In Madden 10 if you change Sintim to a DE his overall is 94. And I've yet to see Madden get it wrong.

GMENAGAIN
05-21-2012, 03:34 PM
<FONT size=4>he flashed some edge rushing ability</FONT>, but he's gotta become more complete and he's gotta contribute on STs</P>


oh and obviously, stay healthy</P>


</P>


Eh, when did he do that? </P>

G-Man67
05-21-2012, 03:44 PM
<FONT size=4>he flashed some edge rushing ability</FONT>, but he's gotta become more complete and he's gotta contribute on STs</P>


oh and obviously, stay healthy</P>


</P>


Eh, when did he do that? </P>


</P>


in the all important preseason [;)]</P>

giantsfan420
05-21-2012, 05:10 PM
You keep going to college like its relevant. It's not. Has Sintim shown pass rush ability in the nfl? No. In fact that is probably where he played his worst

He was better in coverage than he was against the run. Which just goes back to him playing tentative and not to his size or strength.

Ur comment that he played better in coverage than in run support is wayyyyyyyy more questionable than thinking hes a better fit in a 34.
Also, u seemed to change ur stance, u claimed ppl saying hed be great in that front is annoying and baseless. Bc hes proven or shown nothing in the nfl. Well, hes played in the 43. So hes shown nothing here as well.

And u dismiss his collegiate play way too much. Granted it doesnt mean much, but it means more than u credit.

And i musta missed when he rushed the passer as he would in a 34. In college that was his best trait by far. Every analyst said thats his ideal fit, but could be a tweener in a 43. Hopefully i dont need to explain the difference between rushing the qb in a 43 and 34 although ur involvement in this convo indicates u may...

A guy who NEVER dropped into coverage in the ncaa was drafted by a team that has a scheme where that is as imporant if not more than rushing the passer...he even was used as an end in college.

Answer this simply and honestly, and make sure not to add or change what im saying as u did before when u claimed im clearly missing something;
im not saying hed be great, good, or even better. But, given his collegiate history and that hes shown zilch with us in our system, could he be better suited for a 34 like guys like mayock said durong his draft? U can dismiss his college play erroneously all u want, but his play in the 34 defense as a pass rushing olb DID get him drafted in the 2nd round...

Further read reeses statements after he was drafted, he even acknowledged it was gonna be a tough transition and how he was hoping hed be able to pick up the differences and how that would determine his success and role with the team. Given that he hasnt made the transition...at all...how could u not think he may be better fit for a 34 defense?

U went from saying hes shown nothing to saying hes shown better coverage skills and no pass rush ability (again i hooe i dont need to explain the diff of an olb role in both fronts) in somehow changing ur theory that hes shown hes better fit in a 43...

And, like i said, i see where ur coming from ...kinda...and i have no desire to change ur opinion. Im just taken aback how u feel urbable to tell those with a diff opinion they are wrong and to not think that way when in all honesty, ur opinion is the one educated football minds and scouts disagree with...

Spedracer
05-21-2012, 05:55 PM
52 is such a good Linebacker number, if only the Giants could have a good 52...

slipknottin
05-21-2012, 06:04 PM
One guy I can think of is Cameron Wake, but he didn't get nearly the shot as a UFA that Sintim is getting. Aaron Maybin would be another example, but 6 sacks isn't exactly off the chain for a top-15 pick.

The only reason Cameron Wake showed differently in the two systems is because he didnt get a chance to play DE in a 4-3. Chances are he would be a tremendous player in a 4-3.

We will find out this year anyway, because thats the system he is going to be playing.

slipknottin
05-21-2012, 06:11 PM
Also, u seemed to change ur stance, u claimed ppl saying hed be great in that front is annoying and baseless. Bc hes proven or shown nothing in the nfl. Well, hes played in the 43. So hes shown nothing here as well.

Hes been an awful football player. On STs as well as on defense. How does him moving to a 3-4 all of a sudden make him a better football player? Does a 3-4 make him play more physically?


And u dismiss his collegiate play way too much. Granted it doesnt mean much, but it means more than u credit.

And i musta missed when he rushed the passer as he would in a 34. In college that was his best trait by far.
Every analyst I ever read said he would likely have to move INSIDE in a 34 because he is NOT a natural pass rusher. Giants gave him an opportunity at DE on occasion and he was HORRIBLE. You keep bringing up college, when has he shown in the NFL that he is a 34 OLB? Was it that great amazing unblocked sack he got? Or the complete and utter lack of success he had as a pass rusher in the giants sub packages and on the blitz?


A guy who NEVER dropped into coverage in the ncaa was drafted by a team that has a scheme where that is as imporant if not more than rushing the passer...he even was used as an end in college.
And yet dropping in coverage is probably where hes been most effective, because he doesnt have to play physically to do that.


Answer this simply and honestly, and make sure not to add or change what im saying as u did before when u claimed im clearly missing something;
im not saying hed be great, good, or even better. But, given his collegiate history and that hes shown zilch with us in our system, could he be better suited for a 34 like guys like mayock said durong his draft?
Not unless he decides he wants to be a physical football player. Thats what you keep missing. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with his skill set or position he is playing or any of that. It has everything to do with him playing like a 250+ pound LB should play.


Further read reeses statements after he was drafted, he even acknowledged it was gonna be a tough transition and how he was hoping hed be able to pick up the differences and how that would determine his success and role with the team
Again, you are just on this idea that because he isnt happy in the system he has an excuse for not playing physical. So why cant he play physical on special teams? Is he in the wrong system for that too?


U went from saying hes shown nothing to saying hes shown better coverage skills and no pass rush ability (again i hooe i dont need to explain the diff of an olb role in both fronts) in somehow changing ur theory that hes shown hes better fit in a 43...
I dont understand what you are saying here at all.


Im just taken aback how u feel urbable to tell those with a diff opinion they are wrong and to not think that way when in all honesty, ur opinion is the one educated football minds and scouts disagree with...

Because its a horribly pathetic cop out to blame Sintims struggles on "system fit".

If Sintim was showing great promise as a pass rusher, was doing a great job against the run, but had difficulties running with TEs or dropping in coverage, maybe you would have an argument. But he has shown none of that.

GMENAGAIN
05-21-2012, 06:52 PM
Also, u seemed to change ur stance, u claimed ppl saying hed be great in that front is annoying and baseless. Bc hes proven or shown nothing in the nfl. Well, hes played in the 43. So hes shown nothing here as well. Hes been an awful football player. On STs as well as on defense. How does him moving to a 3-4 all of a sudden make him a better football player? Does a 3-4 make him play more physically?
And u dismiss his collegiate play way too much. Granted it doesnt mean much, but it means more than u credit. And i musta missed when he rushed the passer as he would in a 34. In college that was his best trait by far. Every analyst I ever read said he would likely have to move INSIDE in a 34 because he is NOT a natural pass rusher. Giants gave him an opportunity at DE on occasion and he was HORRIBLE. You keep bringing up college, when has he shown in the NFL that he is a 34 OLB? Was it that great amazing unblocked sack he got? Or the complete and utter lack of success he had as a pass rusher in the giants sub packages and on the blitz?
A guy who NEVER dropped into coverage in the ncaa was drafted by a team that has a scheme where that is as imporant if not more than rushing the passer...he even was used as an end in college. And yet dropping in coverage is probably where hes been most effective, because he doesnt have to play physically to do that.
Answer this simply and honestly, and make sure not to add or change what im saying as u did before when u claimed im clearly missing something; im not saying hed be great, good, or even better. But, given his collegiate history and that hes shown zilch with us in our system, could he be better suited for a 34 like guys like mayock said durong his draft? Not unless he decides he wants to be a physical football player. Thats what you keep missing. It has absolutely NOTHING to do with his skill set or position he is playing or any of that. It has everything to do with him playing like a 250+ pound LB should play.
Further read reeses statements after he was drafted, he even acknowledged it was gonna be a tough transition and how he was hoping hed be able to pick up the differences and how that would determine his success and role with the team Again, you are just on this idea that because he isnt happy in the system he has an excuse for not playing physical. So why cant he play physical on special teams? Is he in the wrong system for that too?
U went from saying hes shown nothing to saying hes shown better coverage skills and no pass rush ability (again i hooe i dont need to explain the diff of an olb role in both fronts) in somehow changing ur theory that hes shown hes better fit in a 43... I dont understand what you are saying here at all.
Im just taken aback how u feel urbable to tell those with a diff opinion they are wrong and to not think that way when in all honesty, ur opinion is the one educated football minds and scouts disagree with... Because its a horribly pathetic cop out to blame Sintims struggles on "system fit". If Sintim was showing great promise as a pass rusher, was doing a great job against the run, but had difficulties running with TEs or dropping in coverage, maybe you would have an argument. But he has shown none of that.</P>


Adding to everything that you said is the fact that the guy has admitted to not working as hard as he should. Hopefully, it's the end of the road for this turd . . . . . </P>

giantsfan420
05-21-2012, 06:57 PM
What??? I actually went back to make sure i wasnt misremembering...his best trait was by far pass rushing, and virtually every analyst said his best fit was in a 34. I saw one profile say he may have to move inside as a mlb in a 43 bc hes horrible in coverage.

No one is saying or at least im not saying hed suddenly bc good in a diff front, im saying it was what he was better suited for which is the consensus among almost every analyst and even jr as he said it would be a tough transition bc he was playing and practicing in a 34. If anything, the mere fact thats where he played in college supports he was better suited there...i have no idea what ur trying to do here, make me go "ok every respectable analysis was wrong" or something? In fact after jr drafted him, analysts and fans alike wondered if he could make the transition...he clearly has not. Experiment over, it was a risky move that didnt pay out...

I do agree w u about how he isnt physical, and would prob suck just as bad either way, but based on his experience and success, regardless of it was college, he was prob better suited for a 34.

Oh and the point u said u dont know what im trying to say...u went from saying hes shown nothing as a reason not to think he may have been better off in a 34 but then use that reason to say hes prob a better fit in a 43...ur stance is just confusing...but whatever, over it. I just hope he can show us something in any way

slipknottin
05-21-2012, 07:13 PM
His problems in the NFL have had nothing to do with trouble transitioning to a 4-3.

And yes, he is probably much better off as a college 3-4 OLB. Unfortunately for him, he is playing in the NFL now.

allentown PA
05-21-2012, 09:42 PM
he has suprised me....I can't believe someone his size can play like such a *****.

giantsfan420
05-21-2012, 10:43 PM
he has suprised me....I can't believe someone his size can play like such a *****.
lol so true

giantsfan420
05-21-2012, 10:44 PM
I dunno how this is a stretch for some people to grasp.

His best trait in college was his edge pass rush ability. He almost never dropped into coverage, and was above avg to avg in run support.

In our d, the olb aint doing a ton of pass rushing...a guy like kiwi who showed flashes of top de play has what, 4 sacks since moving to lb?

Again, im not saying sintim would be good or even better, i just think he fits better in a 34 front...i mean almost every analyst and scout said the same thing...look up his draft profile...dunno how this is even debatable...

On that point I think you are right. His ideal fit would have been 3-4 OLB.

Still though, I think many overestimate the impact that scheme has on a player's success.

I mean when Denver drafted Von Miller, everyone talked about what a waste it was to put him at 4-3 OLB (basically the same situation as Sintim, except a much better prospect obviously). Well no, he dominated just as he would have on a 3-4 team. When they moved Mario Williams to OLB, everyone was like lol 290 pound linebacker? But he was just fine.

Remember when the Jets were going to resurrect Vernon Gholston's career by moving him to his "natural" 4-3 DE position? Yeah good luck in the arena league.

If a guy is a good pass rusher, that talent is never going to go to waste. They'll find a way to use you regardless of your position. But if that pass rushing talent doesn't show up in the first 2-3 years in the league, you're generally toast.

Sorry i missed this. Good post i agree with much of this

I thought denver played a 43 34 combo d, looked like miller lined up as a 34 olb a lot

allentown PA
05-21-2012, 10:56 PM
he has suprised me....I can't believe someone his size can play like such a *****.
lol so true

I think some of the points being made about if he was in a different defense or if he lined up with his hand in the dirt would apply to some players but Sintim is just not very good imo...I dont think it matters what they do with him...some players are just ****, a different defense isnt gonna change how aggresive or physical he is...the dude is soft imo.

JMFP2
05-22-2012, 12:23 AM
He was a second round pick so the talent is obviously there, he has been with the team for a few years now so he knows the players, coaches and knows the defense, injuries have held him back, now that he is healthy i expect this guy to be a huge help at LB
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Doubtful.</P>

giantsfan420
05-22-2012, 12:24 AM
he has suprised me....I can't believe someone his size can play like such a *****.
lol so true

I think some of the points being made about if he was in a different defense or if he lined up with his hand in the dirt would apply to some players but Sintim is just not very good imo...I dont think it matters what they do with him...some players are just ****, a different defense isnt gonna change how aggresive or physical he is...the dude is soft imo.

Good post. Respectable opinion, cant say i disagree. I guess its bc w e know he sucks in our d, so the unknown in the 34 could be interpreted by some to being the better fit for him