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TuckYou
05-30-2012, 01:15 PM
NEW YORK (WFAN) – Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora has just $3.975 million remaining on his seven-year contract.</P>


It’s a bargain. He knows it, and apparently so does Justin Tuck.</P>


“It’s hard. He signed a contract and I believe in abiding by that contract,” Tuck told CBS Sports’ Jim Rome on Tuesday. “But also I think he’s outplayed that contract. And with today’s market with how some of these defensive ends are getting paid (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/osi-umenyiora-fires-back-at-jerry-reese-says-hes-no-greedy-pig/) lots of money, I think he deserves to get paid.”</P>


Umenyiora has been outspoken this offseason about his contract status, and so far has been a no-show for Giants OTAs. He could hold out of training camp in Albany if the impasse can’t be resolved.</P>


“He’s very important,” Tuck said on the “ROME” show. “He’s a great defensive end, and has had a very successful career with the Giants. … We know each other very well, know how to play off each other, had a lot of success together.”</P>


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/giants-tuck-osi-umenyiora-deserves-to-get-paid/</P>


------</P>


Well, you have to take in the fact that it was a front loaded contract. He got most of the money already. So yeah, he is "only" getting about 4M this year, but what about the years past? </P>


7 yr 41M = just under 6M a year.</P>

Flip Empty
05-30-2012, 01:21 PM
Odd for him to speak out like this...
And it's interesting, because Tuck himself deserves to get paid - he just doesn't complain about it.

RoanokeFan
05-30-2012, 01:27 PM
NEW YORK (WFAN) – Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora has just $3.975 million remaining on his seven-year contract.</p>


It’s a bargain. He knows it, and apparently so does Justin Tuck.</p>


“It’s hard. He signed a contract and I believe in abiding by that contract,” Tuck told CBS Sports’ Jim Rome on Tuesday. “But also I think he’s outplayed that contract. And with today’s market with how some of these defensive ends are getting paid (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/osi-umenyiora-fires-back-at-jerry-reese-says-hes-no-greedy-pig/) lots of money, I think he deserves to get paid.”</p>


Umenyiora has been outspoken this offseason about his contract status, and so far has been a no-show for Giants OTAs. He could hold out of training camp in Albany if the impasse can’t be resolved.</p>


“He’s very important,” Tuck said on the “ROME” show. “He’s a great defensive end, and has had a very successful career with the Giants. … We know each other very well, know how to play off each other, had a lot of success together.”</p>


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/giants-tuck-osi-umenyiora-deserves-to-get-paid/</p>


------</p>


Well, you have to take in the fact that it was a front loaded contract. He got most of the money already. So yeah, he is "only" getting about 4M this year, but what about the years past? </p>


7 yr 41M = just under 6M a year.</p>

Another Osi thread? LOL

RoanokeFan
05-30-2012, 01:28 PM
Odd for him to speak out like this...
And it's interesting, because Tuck himself deserves to get paid - he just doesn't complain about it.

Tuck has always said Osi should be paid.

TuckYou
05-30-2012, 01:30 PM
NEW YORK (WFAN) – Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora has just $3.975 million remaining on his seven-year contract.</P>


It’s a bargain. He knows it, and apparently so does Justin Tuck.</P>


“It’s hard. He signed a contract and I believe in abiding by that contract,” Tuck told CBS Sports’ Jim Rome on Tuesday. “But also I think he’s outplayed that contract. And with today’s market with how some of these defensive ends are getting paid (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/osi-umenyiora-fires-back-at-jerry-reese-says-hes-no-greedy-pig/) lots of money, I think he deserves to get paid.”</P>


Umenyiora has been outspoken this offseason about his contract status, and so far has been a no-show for Giants OTAs. He could hold out of training camp in Albany if the impasse can’t be resolved.</P>


“He’s very important,” Tuck said on the “ROME” show. “He’s a great defensive end, and has had a very successful career with the Giants. … We know each other very well, know how to play off each other, had a lot of success together.”</P>


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/giants-tuck-osi-umenyiora-deserves-to-get-paid/</P>


------</P>


Well, you have to take in the fact that it was a front loaded contract. He got most of the money already. So yeah, he is "only" getting about 4M this year, but what about the years past? </P>


7 yr 41M = just under 6M a year.</P>




Another Osi thread? LOL
</P>


lol, how long were you holding on to that one?</P>


Anyway, Id say this is more a Tuck thread. :-)</P>


This is Tucks way of saying "I deserve more too." without actually saying it. I hope JPP doesnt follow. </P>

RoanokeFan
05-30-2012, 01:32 PM
NEW YORK (WFAN) – Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora has just $3.975 million remaining on his seven-year contract.</p>


It’s a bargain. He knows it, and apparently so does Justin Tuck.</p>


“It’s hard. He signed a contract and I believe in abiding by that contract,” Tuck told CBS Sports’ Jim Rome on Tuesday. “But also I think he’s outplayed that contract. And with today’s market with how some of these defensive ends are getting paid (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/osi-umenyiora-fires-back-at-jerry-reese-says-hes-no-greedy-pig/) lots of money, I think he deserves to get paid.”</p>


Umenyiora has been outspoken this offseason about his contract status, and so far has been a no-show for Giants OTAs. He could hold out of training camp in Albany if the impasse can’t be resolved.</p>


“He’s very important,” Tuck said on the “ROME” show. “He’s a great defensive end, and has had a very successful career with the Giants. … We know each other very well, know how to play off each other, had a lot of success together.”</p>


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/giants-tuck-osi-umenyiora-deserves-to-get-paid/</p>


------</p>


Well, you have to take in the fact that it was a front loaded contract. He got most of the money already. So yeah, he is "only" getting about 4M this year, but what about the years past? </p>


7 yr 41M = just under 6M a year.</p>




Another Osi thread? LOL
</p>


lol, how long were you holding on to that one?</p>


Anyway, Id say this is more a Tuck thread. :-)</p>


This is Tucks way of saying "I deserve more too." without actually saying it. I hope JPP doesnt follow. </p>

A little hypocritical, no?

Redeyejedi
05-30-2012, 01:52 PM
NEW YORK (WFAN) – Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora has just $3.975 million remaining on his seven-year contract.</P>


It’s a bargain. He knows it, and apparently so does Justin Tuck.</P>


“It’s hard. He signed a contract and I believe in abiding by that contract,” Tuck told CBS Sports’ Jim Rome on Tuesday. “But also I think he’s outplayed that contract. And with today’s market with how some of these defensive ends are getting paid (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/osi-umenyiora-fires-back-at-jerry-reese-says-hes-no-greedy-pig/) lots of money, I think he deserves to get paid.”</P>


Umenyiora has been outspoken this offseason about his contract status, and so far has been a no-show for Giants OTAs. He could hold out of training camp in Albany if the impasse can’t be resolved.</P>


“He’s very important,” Tuck said on the “ROME” show. “He’s a great defensive end, and has had a very successful career with the Giants. … We know each other very well, know how to play off each other, had a lot of success together.”</P>


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/giants-tuck-osi-umenyiora-deserves-to-get-paid/</P>


------</P>


Well, you have to take in the fact that it was a front loaded contract. He got most of the money already. So yeah, he is "only" getting about 4M this year, but what about the years past? </P>


7 yr 41M = just under 6M a year.</P>Osi claims those reported numbers are wrong he says his deal is closer to 30 Million

Redeyejedi
05-30-2012, 01:58 PM
Now Kiwanuka is talking about Osis deal as well.

nhpgiantsfan
05-30-2012, 02:02 PM
Funny how any time Osi talks a 10 page thread is started. But when Tuck comes out and says Osi is very important and that he deserves to be paid, all of the Tuck lovers who love to bash Osi have nothing to say.

RoanokeFan
05-30-2012, 02:07 PM
Funny how any time Osi talks a 10 page thread is started. But when Tuck comes out and says Osi is very important and that he deserves to be paid, all of the Tuck lovers who love to bash Osi have nothing to say.

I wouldn't read too much into that. There are only 10 posters here, for the most part. It's a very slow news cycle. This also isn't really news since Tuck has said all of this before.

MikeIsaGiant
05-30-2012, 02:29 PM
Bros b4 hos

BeatYale
05-30-2012, 04:05 PM
I don't like it when players talk about this sort of stuff with the media. It's so easy to say "Yeah my teammate deserves a new contract." What about the effect it has on his other teammates chances at getting contracts? Like the cap space that will be needed to sign guys like Cruz and Nicks in the upcoming years. They are actually starters at their position.

RoanokeFan
05-30-2012, 04:15 PM
I don't like it when players talk about this sort of stuff with the media. It's so easy to say "Yeah my teammate deserves a new contract." What about the effect it has on his other teammates chances at getting contracts? Like the cap space that will be needed to sign guys like Cruz and Nicks in the upcoming years. They are actually starters at their position.

I would prefer they keep their noses out of their teammates' business. Having said that, I don't see much harm in supporting another player but I also don't see it helping anyone involved in the process. All contract conversations should be private, like Kiwanuka's was.

For those who simply say "pay him" without a thought to where the CAP space is and how we then find the money for other play makers are just thinking like fans. Understandable, but not always logical.

SweetZombieJesus
05-30-2012, 04:47 PM
Funny how any time Osi talks a 10 page thread is started. But when Tuck comes out and says Osi is very important and that he deserves to be paid, all of the Tuck lovers who love to bash Osi have nothing to say.

Here's something to say: How much of his salary will Tuck give up to keep Osi?

ShakeNBake
05-30-2012, 04:51 PM
I'm sure this thread just like all the others involving Osi as of late will be productive and insightful

Roswell777
05-30-2012, 04:58 PM
As poorly as Osi has handled it in the past, the fact remains he is an important part of this team and his contract should be extended.

JesseJames
05-30-2012, 05:08 PM
Osi needs to just shut up and play out the contract he signed, if he's not happy with his contract he should be pissed at himself for signing it. I have a hard time feeling sorry for someone who isn't happy with a 30 million plus contract, it must be tough on him trying to make ends meet....

RoanokeFan
05-30-2012, 05:55 PM
As poorly as Osi has handled it in the past, the fact remains he is an important part of this team and his contract should be extended.




He was offered an extension, he turned it down.

BeatYale
05-30-2012, 06:43 PM
Funny how any time Osi talks a 10 page thread is started. But when Tuck comes out and says Osi is very important and that he deserves to be paid, all of the Tuck lovers who love to bash Osi have nothing to say.

Here's something to say:* How much of his salary will Tuck give up to keep Osi?


Haha. All questions are pre-approved by the Giants PR firm. Tuck would have never done the interview if that question made the list.

TuckYou
05-30-2012, 06:46 PM
NEW YORK (WFAN) – Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora has just $3.975 million remaining on his seven-year contract.</p>


It’s a bargain. He knows it, and apparently so does Justin Tuck.</p>


“It’s hard. He signed a contract and I believe in abiding by that contract,” Tuck told CBS Sports’ Jim Rome on Tuesday. “But also I think he’s outplayed that contract. And with today’s market with how some of these defensive ends are getting paid (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/osi-umenyiora-fires-back-at-jerry-reese-says-hes-no-greedy-pig/) lots of money, I think he deserves to get paid.”</p>


Umenyiora has been outspoken this offseason about his contract status, and so far has been a no-show for Giants OTAs. He could hold out of training camp in Albany if the impasse can’t be resolved.</p>


“He’s very important,” Tuck said on the “ROME” show. “He’s a great defensive end, and has had a very successful career with the Giants. … We know each other very well, know how to play off each other, had a lot of success together.”</p>


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/giants-tuck-osi-umenyiora-deserves-to-get-paid/</p>


------</p>


Well, you have to take in the fact that it was a front loaded contract. He got most of the money already. So yeah, he is "only" getting about 4M this year, but what about the years past? </p>


7 yr 41M = just under 6M a year.</p>




Another Osi thread?* LOL
</p>


lol, how long were you holding on to that one?</p>


Anyway, Id say this is more a Tuck thread. :-)</p>


This is Tucks way of saying "I deserve more too." without actually saying it. I hope JPP doesnt follow. </p>

A little hypocritical, no?


No, actually. I am not posting 5 Osi threads with 5 already up. Once in a while isn't too bad. And this is new.

THE_New_York_Giants
05-30-2012, 06:47 PM
NEW YORK (WFAN) – Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora has just $3.975 million remaining on his seven-year contract.</P>


It’s a bargain. He knows it, and apparently so does Justin Tuck.</P>


“It’s hard. He signed a contract and I believe in abiding by that contract,” Tuck told CBS Sports’ Jim Rome on Tuesday. “But also I think he’s outplayed that contract. And with today’s market with how some of these defensive ends are getting paid (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/osi-umenyiora-fires-back-at-jerry-reese-says-hes-no-greedy-pig/) lots of money, I think he deserves to get paid.”</P>


Umenyiora has been outspoken this offseason about his contract status, and so far has been a no-show for Giants OTAs. He could hold out of training camp in Albany if the impasse can’t be resolved.</P>


“He’s very important,” Tuck said on the “ROME” show. “He’s a great defensive end, and has had a very successful career with the Giants. … We know each other very well, know how to play off each other, had a lot of success together.”</P>


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/giants-tuck-osi-umenyiora-deserves-to-get-paid/</P>


------</P>


Well, you have to take in the fact that it was a front loaded contract. He got most of the money already. So yeah, he is "only" getting about 4M this year, but what about the years past? </P>


7 yr 41M = just under 6M a year.</P>


Osi isn't getting 7 years. 3 years max

RoanokeFan
05-30-2012, 06:51 PM
NEW YORK (WFAN) – Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora has just $3.975 million remaining on his seven-year contract.</p>


It’s a bargain. He knows it, and apparently so does Justin Tuck.</p>


“It’s hard. He signed a contract and I believe in abiding by that contract,” Tuck told CBS Sports’ Jim Rome on Tuesday. “But also I think he’s outplayed that contract. And with today’s market with how some of these defensive ends are getting paid (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/osi-umenyiora-fires-back-at-jerry-reese-says-hes-no-greedy-pig/) lots of money, I think he deserves to get paid.”</p>


Umenyiora has been outspoken this offseason about his contract status, and so far has been a no-show for Giants OTAs. He could hold out of training camp in Albany if the impasse can’t be resolved.</p>


“He’s very important,” Tuck said on the “ROME” show. “He’s a great defensive end, and has had a very successful career with the Giants. … We know each other very well, know how to play off each other, had a lot of success together.”</p>


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/giants-tuck-osi-umenyiora-deserves-to-get-paid/</p>


------</p>


Well, you have to take in the fact that it was a front loaded contract. He got most of the money already. So yeah, he is "only" getting about 4M this year, but what about the years past? </p>


7 yr 41M = just under 6M a year.</p>




Another Osi thread? LOL
</p>


lol, how long were you holding on to that one?</p>


Anyway, Id say this is more a Tuck thread. :-)</p>


This is Tucks way of saying "I deserve more too." without actually saying it. I hope JPP doesnt follow. </p>

A little hypocritical, no?


No, actually. I am not posting 5 Osi threads with 5 already up. Once in a while isn't too bad. And this is new.

I know you don't read what I post or you would realize those were ALL news articles. But post away, my friend. There is absolutely nothing "new" in any of these Osi posts.

TuckYou
05-30-2012, 06:56 PM
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NEW YORK (WFAN) – Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora has just $3.975 million remaining on his seven-year contract.</p>


It’s a bargain. He knows it, and apparently so does Justin Tuck.</p>


“It’s hard. He signed a contract and I believe in abiding by that contract,” Tuck told CBS Sports’ Jim Rome on Tuesday. “But also I think he’s outplayed that contract. And with today’s market with how some of these defensive ends are getting paid (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/osi-umenyiora-fires-back-at-jerry-reese-says-hes-no-greedy-pig/) lots of money, I think he deserves to get paid.”</p>


Umenyiora has been outspoken this offseason about his contract status, and so far has been a no-show for Giants OTAs. He could hold out of training camp in Albany if the impasse can’t be resolved.</p>


“He’s very important,” Tuck said on the “ROME” show. “He’s a great defensive end, and has had a very successful career with the Giants. … We know each other very well, know how to play off each other, had a lot of success together.”</p>


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/giants-tuck-osi-umenyiora-deserves-to-get-paid/</p>


------</p>


Well, you have to take in the fact that it was a front loaded contract. He got most of the money already. So yeah, he is "only" getting about 4M this year, but what about the years past? </p>


7 yr 41M = just under 6M a year.</p>




Another Osi thread?* LOL
</p>


lol, how long were you holding on to that one?</p>


Anyway, Id say this is more a Tuck thread. :-)</p>


This is Tucks way of saying "I deserve more too." without actually saying it. I hope JPP doesnt follow. </p>

A little hypocritical, no?


No, actually. I am not posting 5 Osi threads with 5 already up. Once in a while isn't too bad. And this is new.

I know you don't read what I post or you would realize those were ALL news articles.* But post away, my friend.* There is absolutely nothing "new" in any of these Osi posts.


I do read the news articles you post and am grateful for them. Just don't like being called out on something that is false. I said stuff to you jokingly because at moments you post 5 Osi articles, all negative, that same the same thing differently. It was for like a week straight. That's why I said what I did.

RoanokeFan
05-30-2012, 06:57 PM
N








NEW YORK (WFAN) – Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora has just $3.975 million remaining on his seven-year contract.</p>


It’s a bargain. He knows it, and apparently so does Justin Tuck.</p>


“It’s hard. He signed a contract and I believe in abiding by that contract,” Tuck told CBS Sports’ Jim Rome on Tuesday. “But also I think he’s outplayed that contract. And with today’s market with how some of these defensive ends are getting paid (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/osi-umenyiora-fires-back-at-jerry-reese-says-hes-no-greedy-pig/) lots of money, I think he deserves to get paid.”</p>


Umenyiora has been outspoken this offseason about his contract status, and so far has been a no-show for Giants OTAs. He could hold out of training camp in Albany if the impasse can’t be resolved.</p>


“He’s very important,” Tuck said on the “ROME” show. “He’s a great defensive end, and has had a very successful career with the Giants. … We know each other very well, know how to play off each other, had a lot of success together.”</p>


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/giants-tuck-osi-umenyiora-deserves-to-get-paid/</p>


------</p>


Well, you have to take in the fact that it was a front loaded contract. He got most of the money already. So yeah, he is "only" getting about 4M this year, but what about the years past? </p>


7 yr 41M = just under 6M a year.</p>




Another Osi thread? LOL
</p>


lol, how long were you holding on to that one?</p>


Anyway, Id say this is more a Tuck thread. :-)</p>


This is Tucks way of saying "I deserve more too." without actually saying it. I hope JPP doesnt follow. </p>

A little hypocritical, no?


No, actually. I am not posting 5 Osi threads with 5 already up. Once in a while isn't too bad. And this is new.

I know you don't read what I post or you would realize those were ALL news articles. But post away, my friend. There is absolutely nothing "new" in any of these Osi posts.


I do read the news articles you post and am grateful for them. Just don't like being called out on something that is false. I said stuff to you jokingly because at moments you post 5 Osi articles, all negative, that same the same thing differently. It was for like a week straight. That's why I said what I did.

Then let's avoid each other from here on out.

FBomb
05-30-2012, 07:00 PM
So Tuck thinks Osi should get paid with the money that won't be available when it's Tuck's turn? Amazing how the "pay Osi" crowd never have any idea where that extra money is coming from.

Mod_C
05-30-2012, 07:02 PM
So Tuck thinks Osi should get paid with the money that won't be available when it's Tuck's turn? Amazing how the "pay Osi" crowd never have any idea where that extra money is coming from.

Sort of like my wife thinking there is money in the bank just becsue there are checks in the book [8-)]

THE_New_York_Giants
05-30-2012, 07:03 PM
So Tuck thinks Osi should get paid with the money that won't be available when it's Tuck's turn?* Amazing how the "pay Osi" crowd never have any idea where that extra money is coming from.

Sort of like my wife thinking there is money in the bank just becsue there are checks in the book [8-)]


LMAO, good sir, I would love to buy you a brewski.

FBomb
05-30-2012, 07:04 PM
So Tuck thinks Osi should get paid with the money that won't be available when it's Tuck's turn? Amazing how the "pay Osi" crowd never have any idea where that extra money is coming from.

Sort of like my wife thinking there is money in the bank just becsue there are checks in the book [8-)]
</P>


HA!</P>

Mod_C
05-30-2012, 07:08 PM
So Tuck thinks Osi should get paid with the money that won't be available when it's Tuck's turn? Amazing how the "pay Osi" crowd never have any idea where that extra money is coming from.

Sort of like my wife thinking there is money in the bank just becsue there are checks in the book [8-)]


LMAO, good sir, I would love to buy you a brewski.

[B]

Mod_C
05-30-2012, 07:08 PM
So Tuck thinks Osi should get paid with the money that won't be available when it's Tuck's turn? Amazing how the "pay Osi" crowd never have any idea where that extra money is coming from.

Sort of like my wife thinking there is money in the bank just becsue there are checks in the book [8-)]
</p>


HA!</p>

I'm laughing NOW, but.......[:S]

FBomb
05-30-2012, 07:12 PM
So Tuck thinks Osi should get paid with the money that won't be available when it's Tuck's turn? Amazing how the "pay Osi" crowd never have any idea where that extra money is coming from.

Sort of like my wife thinking there is money in the bank just becsue there are checks in the book [8-)]
</P>


HA!</P>




I'm laughing NOW, but.......[:S]
</P>


"$400 for FACE CREAM?!!!!"</P>

Mod_C
05-30-2012, 07:15 PM
So Tuck thinks Osi should get paid with the money that won't be available when it's Tuck's turn? Amazing how the "pay Osi" crowd never have any idea where that extra money is coming from.

Sort of like my wife thinking there is money in the bank just becsue there are checks in the book [8-)]
</p>


HA!</p>




I'm laughing NOW, but.......[:S]
</p>


"$400 for FACE CREAM?!!!!"</p>

Followed by "you just don't understand"! [:|]

FBomb
05-30-2012, 07:21 PM
So Tuck thinks Osi should get paid with the money that won't be available when it's Tuck's turn? Amazing how the "pay Osi" crowd never have any idea where that extra money is coming from.

Sort of like my wife thinking there is money in the bank just becsue there are checks in the book [8-)]
</P>


HA!</P>




I'm laughing NOW, but.......[:S]
</P>


"$400 for FACE CREAM?!!!!"</P>




Followed by "you just don't understand"! [:|]
</P>


That answer comes in handy when you buy something for the man cave..............or a hooker.</P>

Mod_C
05-30-2012, 07:24 PM
So Tuck thinks Osi should get paid with the money that won't be available when it's Tuck's turn? Amazing how the "pay Osi" crowd never have any idea where that extra money is coming from.

Sort of like my wife thinking there is money in the bank just becsue there are checks in the book [8-)]
</p>


HA!</p>




I'm laughing NOW, but.......[:S]
</p>


"$400 for FACE CREAM?!!!!"</p>




Followed by "you just don't understand"! [:|]
</p>


That answer comes in handy when you buy something for the man cave..............or a hooker.</p>

Or a hooker IN the man-cave

FBomb
05-30-2012, 07:39 PM
So Tuck thinks Osi should get paid with the money that won't be available when it's Tuck's turn? Amazing how the "pay Osi" crowd never have any idea where that extra money is coming from.

Sort of like my wife thinking there is money in the bank just becsue there are checks in the book [8-)]
</P>


HA!</P>




I'm laughing NOW, but.......[:S]
</P>


"$400 for FACE CREAM?!!!!"</P>




Followed by "you just don't understand"! [:|]
</P>


That answer comes in handy when you buy something for the man cave..............or a hooker.</P>




Or a hooker IN the man-cave
</P>


That's just Thursday Night poker.</P>

RoanokeFan
05-30-2012, 07:44 PM
So Tuck thinks Osi should get paid with the money that won't be available when it's Tuck's turn? Amazing how the "pay Osi" crowd never have any idea where that extra money is coming from.

Sort of like my wife thinking there is money in the bank just becsue there are checks in the book [8-)]
</p>


HA!</p>




I'm laughing NOW, but.......[:S]
</p>


"$400 for FACE CREAM?!!!!"</p>




Followed by "you just don't understand"! [:|]
</p>


That answer comes in handy when you buy something for the man cave..............or a hooker.</p>




Or a hooker IN the man-cave
</p>


That's just Thursday Night poker.</p>

pokeher?

THE_New_York_Giants
05-30-2012, 09:05 PM
So Tuck thinks Osi should get paid with the money that won't be available when it's Tuck's turn?* Amazing how the "pay Osi" crowd never have any idea where that extra money is coming from.

Sort of like my wife thinking there is money in the bank just becsue there are checks in the book [8-)]
</p>


HA!</p>




I'm laughing NOW, but.......[:S]
</p>


"$400 for FACE CREAM?!!!!"</p>




Followed by "you just don't understand"!* [:|]
</p>


That answer comes in handy when you buy something for the man cave..............or a hooker.</p>




Or a hooker IN the man-cave
</p>


That's just Thursday Night poker.</p>

pokeher?


Mod C-"Sweetie, the guys and I are going to Aqueduct this weekend."

Mrs. Mod C- "Actually, you aren't. We don't have enough in the bank account right now because the kids need braces."

Mod C- "What about the spa weekend with the girls last weekend?"

Mrs. Mod C- "That was different. I need me time to unwind because I have to stay home with the kids and it's soooo stressful. You have your business trips to yourself. It was good for both of us because you got to spend time with the kids and I got pampered!"

Mod C -"I see."

RoanokeFan
05-30-2012, 09:16 PM
So Tuck thinks Osi should get paid with the money that won't be available when it's Tuck's turn? Amazing how the "pay Osi" crowd never have any idea where that extra money is coming from.

Sort of like my wife thinking there is money in the bank just becsue there are checks in the book [8-)]
</p>


HA!</p>




I'm laughing NOW, but.......[:S]
</p>


"$400 for FACE CREAM?!!!!"</p>




Followed by "you just don't understand"! [:|]
</p>


That answer comes in handy when you buy something for the man cave..............or a hooker.</p>




Or a hooker IN the man-cave
</p>


That's just Thursday Night poker.</p>

pokeher?


Mod C-"Sweetie, the guys and I are going to Aqueduct this weekend."

Mrs. Mod C- "Actually, you aren't. We don't have enough in the bank account right now because the kids need braces."

Mod C- "What about the spa weekend with the girls last weekend?"

Mrs. Mod C- "That was different. I need me time to unwind because I have to stay home with the kids and it's soooo stressful. You have your business trips to yourself. It was good for both of us because you got to spend time with the kids and I got pampered!"

Mod C -"I see."

More clear evidence to support my theory that we are all married to the same woman!

THE_New_York_Giants
05-30-2012, 09:43 PM
So Tuck thinks Osi should get paid with the money that won't be available when it's Tuck's turn?* Amazing how the "pay Osi" crowd never have any idea where that extra money is coming from.

Sort of like my wife thinking there is money in the bank just becsue there are checks in the book [8-)]
</p>


HA!</p>




I'm laughing NOW, but.......[:S]
</p>


"$400 for FACE CREAM?!!!!"</p>




Followed by "you just don't understand"!* [:|]
</p>


That answer comes in handy when you buy something for the man cave..............or a hooker.</p>




Or a hooker IN the man-cave
</p>


That's just Thursday Night poker.</p>

pokeher?


Mod C-"Sweetie, the guys and I are going to Aqueduct this weekend."

Mrs. Mod C- "Actually, you aren't. We don't have enough in the bank account right now because the kids need braces."

Mod C- "What about the spa weekend with the girls last weekend?"

Mrs. Mod C- "That was different. I need me time to unwind because I have to stay home with the kids and it's soooo stressful. You have your business trips to yourself. It was good for both of us because you got to spend time with the kids and I got pampered!"

Mod C -"I see."

More clear evidence to support my theory that we are all married to the same woman!


Never been married, but my best friend's wife is like that. I personally think it's hilarious though.

FBomb
05-30-2012, 09:43 PM
So....we all married Osi?

TuckYou
05-30-2012, 10:05 PM
N








NEW YORK (WFAN) – Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora has just $3.975 million remaining on his seven-year contract.</p>


It’s a bargain. He knows it, and apparently so does Justin Tuck.</p>


“It’s hard. He signed a contract and I believe in abiding by that contract,” Tuck told CBS Sports’ Jim Rome on Tuesday. “But also I think he’s outplayed that contract. And with today’s market with how some of these defensive ends are getting paid (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/osi-umenyiora-fires-back-at-jerry-reese-says-hes-no-greedy-pig/) lots of money, I think he deserves to get paid.”</p>


Umenyiora has been outspoken this offseason about his contract status, and so far has been a no-show for Giants OTAs. He could hold out of training camp in Albany if the impasse can’t be resolved.</p>


“He’s very important,” Tuck said on the “ROME” show. “He’s a great defensive end, and has had a very successful career with the Giants. … We know each other very well, know how to play off each other, had a lot of success together.”</p>


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/giants-tuck-osi-umenyiora-deserves-to-get-paid/</p>


------</p>


Well, you have to take in the fact that it was a front loaded contract. He got most of the money already. So yeah, he is "only" getting about 4M this year, but what about the years past? </p>


7 yr 41M = just under 6M a year.</p>




Another Osi thread?* LOL
</p>


lol, how long were you holding on to that one?</p>


Anyway, Id say this is more a Tuck thread. :-)</p>


This is Tucks way of saying "I deserve more too." without actually saying it. I hope JPP doesnt follow. </p>

A little hypocritical, no?


No, actually. I am not posting 5 Osi threads with 5 already up. Once in a while isn't too bad. And this is new.

I know you don't read what I post or you would realize those were ALL news articles.* But post away, my friend.* There is absolutely nothing "new" in any of these Osi posts.


I do read the news articles you post and am grateful for them. Just don't like being called out on something that is false. I said stuff to you jokingly because at moments you post 5 Osi articles, all negative, that same the same thing differently. It was for like a week straight. That's why I said what I did.

Then let's avoid each other from here on out.


Well that's just silly.

miked1958
05-30-2012, 10:08 PM
Odd for him to speak out like this...
And it's interesting, because Tuck himself deserves to get paid - he just doesn't complain about it.*

Tuck has always said Osi should be paid.
And I agree with him

radar-ray
05-30-2012, 10:22 PM
Odd for him to speak out like this... And it's interesting, because Tuck himself deserves to get paid - he just doesn't complain about it.

Tuck has always said Osi should be paid.
And I agree with himFYI: Kiwi just said the same thing.

BigBlue1971
05-30-2012, 10:34 PM
NEW YORK (WFAN) – Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora has just $3.975 million remaining on his seven-year contract.</P>


It’s a bargain. He knows it, and apparently so does Justin Tuck.</P>


“It’s hard. He signed a contract and I believe in abiding by that contract,” Tuck told CBS Sports’ Jim Rome on Tuesday. “But also I think he’s outplayed that contract. And with today’s market with how some of these defensive ends are getting paid (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/osi-umenyiora-fires-back-at-jerry-reese-says-hes-no-greedy-pig/) lots of money, I think he deserves to get paid.”</P>


Umenyiora has been outspoken this offseason about his contract status, and so far has been a no-show for Giants OTAs. He could hold out of training camp in Albany if the impasse can’t be resolved.</P>


“He’s very important,” Tuck said on the “ROME” show. “He’s a great defensive end, and has had a very successful career with the Giants. … We know each other very well, know how to play off each other, had a lot of success together.”</P>


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/giants-tuck-osi-umenyiora-deserves-to-get-paid/</P>


------</P>


Well, you have to take in the fact that it was a front loaded contract. He got most of the money already. So yeah, he is "only" getting about 4M this year, but what about the years past? </P>


7 yr 41M = just under 6M a year.</P>


</P>


</P>


Tuck shouldframe his opinion from being on the field with Osi!</P>


he should haveno public opinion one way or the other regarding Osi "getting paid".</P>


i dont agree with Tuck on this issue.</P>


</P>

giantsfan420
05-30-2012, 10:55 PM
Odd for him to speak out like this... And it's interesting, because Tuck himself deserves to get paid - he just doesn't complain about it.*

Tuck has always said Osi should be paid.
And I agree with himFYI: Kiwi just said the same thing.

They are all close in that dl group. Is it really a surprise to anyone that the players want their close friend whose also a player for the same team to get paid?

If anything this kinda exemplifies how loyal they are bc they have to know that money fo osi means not money for him

JJC7301
05-30-2012, 11:05 PM
Does Tuck realize that if Osi gets paid then he probably won't?

I want Osi around for a few more years as well, but not at the expense of Tuck or JPP. I would rather have spent Kiwi's money on Osi, even if it meant paying Osi even more than Kiwi got.

FBomb
05-30-2012, 11:06 PM
Odd for him to speak out like this... And it's interesting, because Tuck himself deserves to get paid - he just doesn't complain about it.

Tuck has always said Osi should be paid.
And I agree with himFYI: Kiwi just said the same thing. They are all close in that dl group. Is it really a surprise to anyone that the players want their close friend whose also a player for the same team to get paid? If anything this kinda exemplifies how loyal they are bc they have to know that money fo osi means not money for him</P>


Was this suppose to be in red?</P>

buddy33
05-30-2012, 11:17 PM
What else do you think anyone on the team would say?

giantsfan420
05-30-2012, 11:54 PM
Odd for him to speak out like this... And it's interesting, because Tuck himself deserves to get paid - he just doesn't complain about it.*

Tuck has always said Osi should be paid.
And I agree with himFYI: Kiwi just said the same thing. They are all close in that dl group. Is it really a surprise to anyone that the players want their close friend whose also a player for the same team to get paid? If anything this kinda exemplifies how loyal they are bc they have to know that money fo osi means not money for him</P>


Was this suppose to be in red?</P>

Jpp has stated hed take less money to keep osi around. Their is obviously a strong tie between our dl...u think they wouldnt have each others back in terms of extensions and contracts??

Harooni
05-31-2012, 12:37 AM
i wish i was GM id trade osi for some scrub, or just release him to set an example that i was tired of this nonsense and distraction. yes i would lose a good player but i probably would anyway.

FBomb
05-31-2012, 07:55 AM
Odd for him to speak out like this... And it's interesting, because Tuck himself deserves to get paid - he just doesn't complain about it.

Tuck has always said Osi should be paid.
And I agree with himFYI: Kiwi just said the same thing. They are all close in that dl group. Is it really a surprise to anyone that the players want their close friend whose also a player for the same team to get paid? If anything this kinda exemplifies how loyal they are bc they have to know that money fo osi means not money for him</P>


Was this suppose to be in red?</P>


Jpp has stated hed take less money to keep osi around. Their is obviously a strong tie between our dl...u think they wouldnt have each others back in terms of extensions and contracts??</P>


If you don't think we would be in the same boat with JPP or Tuck when it comes time for those 2 to get paid and the money isn't there, you are sadly mistaken. I wonder if Osi would give some of the money he's been crying about back to keep those guys?? </P>


I like your optomistic fairy tale.</P>

Redeyejedi
05-31-2012, 09:44 AM
i wish i was GM id trade osi for some scrub, or just release him to set an example that i was tired of this nonsense and distraction.* yes i would lose a good player but i probably would anyway.
Release a Pro Bowl quality DE great way to try 2 win.

TuckYou
05-31-2012, 09:50 AM
i wish i was GM id trade osi for some scrub, or just release him to set an example that i was tired of this nonsense and distraction. yes i would lose a good player but i probably would anyway.
</P>


Im so glad you have no control over the Giants. We would be 0-16 every year but it wouldnt matter because we would have given Tiki another chance, had Will Demps to a huge contract and male cheerleaders all over the place. </P>

lawl
05-31-2012, 09:51 AM
i wish i was GM id trade osi for some scrub, or just release him to set an example that i was tired of this nonsense and distraction.* yes i would lose a good player but i probably would anyway.
Release a Pro Bowl quality DE great way to try 2 win.

Not to mention, osi would be extremely happy because he'd definitely be getting a new deal. Way to set an example harooni

Redeyejedi
05-31-2012, 10:01 AM
i wish i was GM id trade osi for some scrub, or just release him to set an example that i was tired of this nonsense and distraction.* yes i would lose a good player but i probably would anyway.
Release a Pro Bowl quality DE great way to try 2 win.

Not to mention, osi would be extremely happy because he'd definitely be getting a new deal. Way to set an example harooniGoing to be very interesting to see how much he gets a year. I wish I knew what the Giants offered. I bet it was something close or even less then what Kiwi got offered by how mad Osi reacted. I wonder if they will franchise him after the season. COuld u imagine how pissed he'd be if they did

GMENAGAIN
05-31-2012, 10:08 AM
i wish i was GM id trade osi for some scrub, or just release him to set an example that i was tired of this nonsense and distraction. yes i would lose a good player but i probably would anyway.
</P>


I am glad that you are not our GM</P>

RoanokeFan
05-31-2012, 10:10 AM
i wish i was GM id trade osi for some scrub, or just release him to set an example that i was tired of this nonsense and distraction. yes i would lose a good player but i probably would anyway.
Release a Pro Bowl quality DE great way to try 2 win.

Not to mention, osi would be extremely happy because he'd definitely be getting a new deal. Way to set an example harooniGoing to be very interesting to see how much he gets a year. I wish I knew what the Giants offered. I bet it was something close or even less then what Kiwi got offered by how mad Osi reacted. I wonder if they will franchise him after the season. COuld u imagine how pissed he'd be if they did

According to Osi, he was upset over the guarantee being half what Kiwanuka got. But we don't know what the terms of the extension were. I can understand not wanting to pay a lot of guarantee to a player whose had injury issues.

JesseJames
05-31-2012, 11:02 AM
Osi is going to get his money when his contract is up or he'll get close to what he wants but his problem is that he isn't willing to wait for it just like Strahan. These guys have to realize that there are other guys on the team who want to make some money too and there is only so much to go around but these greedy money hounds want it all and they don't care about anybody but themselves. Don't get me wrong I love what Osi brings to the team its just that I hate greed in anybody...

RoanokeFan
05-31-2012, 11:54 AM
Odd for him to speak out like this...
And it's interesting, because Tuck himself deserves to get paid - he just doesn't complain about it.

Tuck has always said Osi should be paid.
And I agree with him

So does Reese, hence the extension offer.

RoanokeFan
05-31-2012, 11:58 AM
<font color="#0000FF">Osi is going to get his money </font>when his contract is up or he'll get close to what he wants but his problem is that he isn't willing to wait for it just like Strahan. These guys have to realize that there are other guys on the team who want to make some money too and there is only so much to go around but these greedy money hounds want it all and they don't care about anybody but themselves. Don't get me wrong I love what Osi brings to the team its just that I hate greed in anybody...

What is that figure? He's been offered an extension by Reese. He's turned it down. The GIANTS don't pay more than what they believe is player is worth as we've see time and time again. There is also the CAP space to be concerned about. So when we say "Osi deserves to be paid" only Reese has to worry about where the funds come from.

Perhaps Kiwanuka, Tuck and JPP would all like to cough up a few million to sweeten the deal like Jacobs did for Bradshaw?

TuckYou
05-31-2012, 12:21 PM
This is why front loading a contract sucks. Yeah the player is happy in the first couple of years, but towards the end of it, watch out. "I deserve more then this!" But you did get more early on.Then again, if it is backloaded, and Osi is getting like 8-9M this year, odds are much greater he gets cut / traded for nothing,and doesnt see any of it.</P>


</P>

giantsfan420
05-31-2012, 12:29 PM
Odd for him to speak out like this... And it's interesting, because Tuck himself deserves to get paid - he just doesn't complain about it.*

Tuck has always said Osi should be paid.
And I agree with himFYI: Kiwi just said the same thing. They are all close in that dl group. Is it really a surprise to anyone that the players want their close friend whose also a player for the same team to get paid? If anything this kinda exemplifies how loyal they are bc they have to know that money fo osi means not money for him</P>


Was this suppose to be in red?</P>


Jpp has stated hed take less money to keep osi around. Their is obviously a strong tie between our dl...u think they wouldnt have each others back in terms of extensions and contracts??</P>


If you don't think we would be in the same boat with JPP or Tuck when it comes time for those 2 to get paid and the money isn't there, you are sadly mistaken.* I wonder if Osi would give some of the money he's been crying about back to keep those guys??* </P>


I like your optomistic fairy tale.</P>

Take it easy man. It seems like ur trying to turn this into a "im right ur wrong"or situation and arent addressing my point.

U dont think the duygs on the dl should or would be in support of each other in terms of being contracted by the nyg? I fail to see what makes that a fairy tale to you....

And again, jpp, tuck, and kiwi have all come out and supported osi....it jpp or tuck were in the sktuation osi is in, i believe the dl would support them all the same.

jakegibbs
05-31-2012, 12:45 PM
NEW YORK (WFAN) – Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora has just $3.975 million remaining on his seven-year contract.</P>


It’s a bargain. He knows it, and apparently so does Justin Tuck.</P>


“It’s hard. He signed a contract and I believe in abiding by that contract,” Tuck told CBS Sports’ Jim Rome on Tuesday. “But also I think he’s outplayed that contract. And with today’s market with how some of these defensive ends are getting paid (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/osi-umenyiora-fires-back-at-jerry-reese-says-hes-no-greedy-pig/) lots of money, I think he deserves to get paid.”</P>


Umenyiora has been outspoken this offseason about his contract status, and so far has been a no-show for Giants OTAs. He could hold out of training camp in Albany if the impasse can’t be resolved.</P>


“He’s very important,” Tuck said on the “ROME” show. “He’s a great defensive end, and has had a very successful career with the Giants. … We know each other very well, know how to play off each other, had a lot of success together.”</P>


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/giants-tuck-osi-umenyiora-deserves-to-get-paid/</P>


------</P>


Well, you have to take in the fact that it was a front loaded contract. He got most of the money already. So yeah, he is "only" getting about 4M this year, but what about the years past? </P>


7 yr 41M = just under 6M a year.</P>

And when a Captain speaks the players usually listen but that don't mean the front office has to listen does it?

TuckYou
05-31-2012, 01:44 PM
NEW YORK (WFAN) – Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora has just $3.975 million remaining on his seven-year contract.</P>


It’s a bargain. He knows it, and apparently so does Justin Tuck.</P>


“It’s hard. He signed a contract and I believe in abiding by that contract,” Tuck told CBS Sports’ Jim Rome on Tuesday. “But also I think he’s outplayed that contract. And with today’s market with how some of these defensive ends are getting paid (http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/04/30/osi-umenyiora-fires-back-at-jerry-reese-says-hes-no-greedy-pig/) lots of money, I think he deserves to get paid.”</P>


Umenyiora has been outspoken this offseason about his contract status, and so far has been a no-show for Giants OTAs. He could hold out of training camp in Albany if the impasse can’t be resolved.</P>


“He’s very important,” Tuck said on the “ROME” show. “He’s a great defensive end, and has had a very successful career with the Giants. … We know each other very well, know how to play off each other, had a lot of success together.”</P>


http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/05/30/giants-tuck-osi-umenyiora-deserves-to-get-paid/</P>


------</P>


Well, you have to take in the fact that it was a front loaded contract. He got most of the money already. So yeah, he is "only" getting about 4M this year, but what about the years past? </P>


7 yr 41M = just under 6M a year.</P>


And when a Captain speaks the players usually listen but that don't mean the front office has to listen does it?</P>


Depends on what captain. If its Eli Manning or a Derek Jeter, yes, they listen. Not sure Tuck fits that status. </P>


<SPAN class=messageBody data-ft='{"type":3}'>In an interview with Sirius Radio Antrel Rolle spoke about Osi Umenyiora saying: "My concern with Osi is one thing only. I hope he comes back. We need him. We are very good w/out him, outstanding with him."</SPAN></P>

JesseJames
05-31-2012, 05:14 PM
<font color="#0000FF">Osi is going to get his money </font>when his contract is up or he'll get close to what he wants but his problem is that he isn't willing to wait for it just like Strahan. These guys have to realize that there are other guys on the team who want to make some money too and there is only so much to go around but these greedy money hounds want it all and they don't care about anybody but themselves. Don't get me wrong I love what Osi brings to the team its just that I hate greed in anybody...

What is that figure?* He's been offered an extension by Reese.* He's turned it down.* The GIANTS don't pay more than what they believe is player is worth as we've see time and time again.* There is also the CAP space to be concerned about.* So when we say "Osi deserves to be paid" only Reese has to worry about where the funds come from.**

Perhaps Kiwanuka, Tuck and JPP would all like to cough up a few million to sweeten the deal like Jacobs did for Bradshaw?
since none of us know what was offered by Reese I would assume it was what the team considered a fair offer. You're right about the team being held back by cap restraints and I would assume Osi and his agent are aware of that and thats why I call it greed when a person wants money for himself that will restrict what his teammate can get. I know this all business but common sense should tell Osi that Reese can only give him what the team feels he's worth...

JesseJames
05-31-2012, 05:14 PM
<font color="#0000FF">Osi is going to get his money </font>when his contract is up or he'll get close to what he wants but his problem is that he isn't willing to wait for it just like Strahan. These guys have to realize that there are other guys on the team who want to make some money too and there is only so much to go around but these greedy money hounds want it all and they don't care about anybody but themselves. Don't get me wrong I love what Osi brings to the team its just that I hate greed in anybody...

What is that figure?* He's been offered an extension by Reese.* He's turned it down.* The GIANTS don't pay more than what they believe is player is worth as we've see time and time again.* There is also the CAP space to be concerned about.* So when we say "Osi deserves to be paid" only Reese has to worry about where the funds come from.**

Perhaps Kiwanuka, Tuck and JPP would all like to cough up a few million to sweeten the deal like Jacobs did for Bradshaw?
since none of us know what was offered by Reese I would assume it was what the team considered a fair offer. You're right about the team being held back by cap restraints and I would assume Osi and his agent are aware of that and thats why I call it greed when a person wants money for himself that will restrict what his teammate can get. I know this all business but common sense should tell Osi that Reese can only give him what the team feels he's worth...

RoanokeFan
05-31-2012, 05:21 PM
<font color="#0000FF">Osi is going to get his money </font>when his contract is up or he'll get close to what he wants but his problem is that he isn't willing to wait for it just like Strahan. These guys have to realize that there are other guys on the team who want to make some money too and there is only so much to go around but these greedy money hounds want it all and they don't care about anybody but themselves. Don't get me wrong I love what Osi brings to the team its just that I hate greed in anybody...

What is that figure? He's been offered an extension by Reese. He's turned it down. The GIANTS don't pay more than what they believe is player is worth as we've see time and time again. There is also the CAP space to be concerned about. So when we say "Osi deserves to be paid" only Reese has to worry about where the funds come from.

Perhaps Kiwanuka, Tuck and JPP would all like to cough up a few million to sweeten the deal like Jacobs did for Bradshaw?
since none of us know what was offered by Reese I would assume it was what the team considered a fair offer. You're right about the team being held back by cap restraints and I would assume Osi and his agent are aware of that and thats why I call it greed when a person wants money for himself that will restrict what his teammate can get. I know this all business but common sense should tell Osi that Reese can only give him what the team feels he's worth...

I don't know this, but I'm guessing Osi has an inflated sense of his current value fueled by his belief that he's been working under a contractual handicap. Osi might want to consider firing his agent if the $41M front loaded contract was unfair.

JesseJames
05-31-2012, 05:44 PM
<font color="#0000FF">Osi is going to get his money </font>when his contract is up or he'll get close to what he wants but his problem is that he isn't willing to wait for it just like Strahan. These guys have to realize that there are other guys on the team who want to make some money too and there is only so much to go around but these greedy money hounds want it all and they don't care about anybody but themselves. Don't get me wrong I love what Osi brings to the team its just that I hate greed in anybody...

What is that figure?* He's been offered an extension by Reese.* He's turned it down.* The GIANTS don't pay more than what they believe is player is worth as we've see time and time again.* There is also the CAP space to be concerned about.* So when we say "Osi deserves to be paid" only Reese has to worry about where the funds come from.**

Perhaps Kiwanuka, Tuck and JPP would all like to cough up a few million to sweeten the deal like Jacobs did for Bradshaw?
since none of us know what was offered by Reese I would assume it was what the team considered a fair offer. You're right about the team being held back by cap restraints and I would assume Osi and his agent are aware of that and thats why I call it greed when a person wants money for himself that will restrict what his teammate can get. I know this all business but common sense should tell Osi that Reese can only give him what the team feels he's worth...

I don't know this, but I'm guessing Osi has an inflated sense of his current value fueled by his belief that he's been working under a contractual handicap.* Osi might want to consider firing his agent if the $41M front loaded contract was unfair.
I don't know how other guys feel but from what I see Osi is really a part time player since he rarely plays a full season because of one health issue after another, he is basically one dimensional because of his being a great pass rusher and a not so great run defender. So the way I see it Osi is not a complete DE like Strahan was and doesn't play every game and wants top star money, whats wrong with this picture....

RoanokeFan
05-31-2012, 05:47 PM
<font color="#0000FF">Osi is going to get his money </font>when his contract is up or he'll get close to what he wants but his problem is that he isn't willing to wait for it just like Strahan. These guys have to realize that there are other guys on the team who want to make some money too and there is only so much to go around but these greedy money hounds want it all and they don't care about anybody but themselves. Don't get me wrong I love what Osi brings to the team its just that I hate greed in anybody...

What is that figure? He's been offered an extension by Reese. He's turned it down. The GIANTS don't pay more than what they believe is player is worth as we've see time and time again. There is also the CAP space to be concerned about. So when we say "Osi deserves to be paid" only Reese has to worry about where the funds come from.

Perhaps Kiwanuka, Tuck and JPP would all like to cough up a few million to sweeten the deal like Jacobs did for Bradshaw?
since none of us know what was offered by Reese I would assume it was what the team considered a fair offer. You're right about the team being held back by cap restraints and I would assume Osi and his agent are aware of that and thats why I call it greed when a person wants money for himself that will restrict what his teammate can get. I know this all business but common sense should tell Osi that Reese can only give him what the team feels he's worth...

I don't know this, but I'm guessing Osi has an inflated sense of his current value fueled by his belief that he's been working under a contractual handicap. Osi might want to consider firing his agent if the $41M front loaded contract was unfair.
I don't know how other guys feel but from what I see Osi is really a part time player since he rarely plays a full season because of one health issue after another, he is basically one dimensional because of his being a great pass rusher and a not so great run defender. So the way I see it Osi is not a complete DE like Strahan was and doesn't play every game and wants top star money, whats wrong with this picture....

I don't like the term "part time player", preferring to see it as a pass rushing specialist, which he is. All of your observations enter into the team's determination of his value.

JesseJames
05-31-2012, 05:51 PM
<font color="#0000FF">Osi is going to get his money </font>when his contract is up or he'll get close to what he wants but his problem is that he isn't willing to wait for it just like Strahan. These guys have to realize that there are other guys on the team who want to make some money too and there is only so much to go around but these greedy money hounds want it all and they don't care about anybody but themselves. Don't get me wrong I love what Osi brings to the team its just that I hate greed in anybody...

What is that figure?* He's been offered an extension by Reese.* He's turned it down.* The GIANTS don't pay more than what they believe is player is worth as we've see time and time again.* There is also the CAP space to be concerned about.* So when we say "Osi deserves to be paid" only Reese has to worry about where the funds come from.**

Perhaps Kiwanuka, Tuck and JPP would all like to cough up a few million to sweeten the deal like Jacobs did for Bradshaw?
since none of us know what was offered by Reese I would assume it was what the team considered a fair offer. You're right about the team being held back by cap restraints and I would assume Osi and his agent are aware of that and thats why I call it greed when a person wants money for himself that will restrict what his teammate can get. I know this all business but common sense should tell Osi that Reese can only give him what the team feels he's worth...

I don't know this, but I'm guessing Osi has an inflated sense of his current value fueled by his belief that he's been working under a contractual handicap.* Osi might want to consider firing his agent if the $41M front loaded contract was unfair.
I don't know how other guys feel but from what I see Osi is really a part time player since he rarely plays a full season because of one health issue after another, he is basically one dimensional because of his being a great pass rusher and a not so great run defender. So the way I see it Osi is not a complete DE like Strahan was and doesn't play every game and wants top star money, whats wrong with this picture....

I don't like the term "part time player", preferring to see it as a pass rushing specialist, which he is.* All of your observations enter into the team's determination of his value.


in using the term "part time" player I was referring to the fact that he seldom plays a whole season for whatever reason...

RoanokeFan
05-31-2012, 05:55 PM
<font color="#0000FF">Osi is going to get his money </font>when his contract is up or he'll get close to what he wants but his problem is that he isn't willing to wait for it just like Strahan. These guys have to realize that there are other guys on the team who want to make some money too and there is only so much to go around but these greedy money hounds want it all and they don't care about anybody but themselves. Don't get me wrong I love what Osi brings to the team its just that I hate greed in anybody...

What is that figure? He's been offered an extension by Reese. He's turned it down. The GIANTS don't pay more than what they believe is player is worth as we've see time and time again. There is also the CAP space to be concerned about. So when we say "Osi deserves to be paid" only Reese has to worry about where the funds come from.

Perhaps Kiwanuka, Tuck and JPP would all like to cough up a few million to sweeten the deal like Jacobs did for Bradshaw?
since none of us know what was offered by Reese I would assume it was what the team considered a fair offer. You're right about the team being held back by cap restraints and I would assume Osi and his agent are aware of that and thats why I call it greed when a person wants money for himself that will restrict what his teammate can get. I know this all business but common sense should tell Osi that Reese can only give him what the team feels he's worth...

I don't know this, but I'm guessing Osi has an inflated sense of his current value fueled by his belief that he's been working under a contractual handicap. Osi might want to consider firing his agent if the $41M front loaded contract was unfair.
I don't know how other guys feel but from what I see Osi is really a part time player since he rarely plays a full season because of one health issue after another, he is basically one dimensional because of his being a great pass rusher and a not so great run defender. So the way I see it Osi is not a complete DE like Strahan was and doesn't play every game and wants top star money, whats wrong with this picture....

I don't like the term "part time player", preferring to see it as a pass rushing specialist, which he is. All of your observations enter into the team's determination of his value.


in using the term "part time" player I was referring to the fact that he seldom plays a whole season for whatever reason...

I understand, but that happens to a lot of players. Osi doesn't play every down because the coaching staff says so. That's not his fault, nor are the injuries.

Harooni
05-31-2012, 10:49 PM
i wish i was GM id trade osi for some scrub, or just release him to set an example that i was tired of this nonsense and distraction. yes i would lose a good player but i probably would anyway.
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Im so glad you have no control over the Giants. We would be 0-16 every year but it wouldnt matter because we would have given Tiki another chance, had Will Demps to a huge contract and male cheerleaders all over the place. </p>

i would have released rolle and his huge contract and a few others took the hits . by 2013 id have so much space set up to make a good run for 4-5 seasons.


look if osi sits out he is no good to me. he wants to play that game i can as well.

FBomb
05-31-2012, 11:05 PM
Odd for him to speak out like this... And it's interesting, because Tuck himself deserves to get paid - he just doesn't complain about it.

Tuck has always said Osi should be paid.
And I agree with himFYI: Kiwi just said the same thing. They are all close in that dl group. Is it really a surprise to anyone that the players want their close friend whose also a player for the same team to get paid? If anything this kinda exemplifies how loyal they are bc they have to know that money fo osi means not money for him</P>


Was this suppose to be in red?</P>


Jpp has stated hed take less money to keep osi around. Their is obviously a strong tie between our dl...u think they wouldnt have each others back in terms of extensions and contracts??</P>


If you don't think we would be in the same boat with JPP or Tuck when it comes time for those 2 to get paid and the money isn't there, you are sadly mistaken. I wonder if Osi would give some of the money he's been crying about back to keep those guys?? </P>


I like your optomistic fairy tale.</P>


Take it easy man. It seems like ur trying to turn this into a "im right ur wrong"or situation and arent addressing my point. U dont think the duygs on the dl should or would be in support of each other in terms of being contracted by the nyg? I fail to see what makes that a fairy tale to you.... And again, jpp, tuck, and kiwi have all come out and supported osi....it jpp or tuck were in the sktuation osi is in, i believe the dl would support them all the same.</P>


Why is it you think I should "calm down" every time I don't agree with you? There is nothing in my posts that show any hint of my being upset.</P>


I addressed your point just fine. I think you have delusions of grandeur when it comes to players in the NFL. We'll see what happens when/if one of them is actuallyasked to give up money in ordert o hold onto another. </P>


Personally, I think it;s a sign that we are going to have the same problems when it's their time. ESPECIALLY if Osi gets what he wants.</P>

Neverend
05-31-2012, 11:19 PM
I really, really hope the giants resign Osi

Harooni
05-31-2012, 11:36 PM
osi got paid, 41 million in 05 to be exact. not exactly chump change.

FBomb
06-01-2012, 08:48 AM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</P>


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GMENAGAIN
06-01-2012, 09:05 AM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</P>


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People love to spend other people's money.</P>


These guys have short careers which take a huge toll on them physically . . . . they should do whatever they can to get the most money they can get during the very few short windows when they have bargaining power over a team.</P>


The thing her is that Osi has no bargaining power and both he and the Giants know it.</P>

RoanokeFan
06-01-2012, 09:10 AM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</p>


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I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB.

burier
06-01-2012, 12:40 PM
If Tuck thinks Osi should be paid so bad he should give up some of his own salary to Osi.

FBomb
06-01-2012, 01:02 PM
If Tuck thinks Osi should be paid so bad he should give up some of his own salary to Osi.</P>


Some are under the impression that that is EXACTLY what's going to happen. </P>

TuckYou
06-01-2012, 01:07 PM
If Tuck thinks Osi should be paid so bad he should give up some of his own salary to Osi.</P>


Some are under the impression that that is EXACTLY what's going to happen. </P>


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Osi signed a 7 year 41M contract, and Tuck signed a 5 year 30M contract...</P>


Sorry if Osi frontloaded his, but it is what it is.</P>

FBomb
06-01-2012, 01:08 PM
If Tuck thinks Osi should be paid so bad he should give up some of his own salary to Osi.</P>


Some are under the impression that that is EXACTLY what's going to happen. </P>


</P>


Osi signed a 7 year 41M contract, and Tuck signed a 5 year 30M contract...</P>


Sorry if Osi frontloaded his, but it is what it is.</P>


</P>


I agree....Osi should play out his contract and stfu.</P>

BigBlue1971
06-01-2012, 01:16 PM
If Tuck thinks Osi should be paid so bad he should give up some of his own salary to Osi.</P>


Some are under the impression that that is EXACTLY what's going to happen. </P>


</P>


Osi signed a 7 year 41M contract, and Tuck signed a 5 year 30M contract...</P>


Sorry if Osi frontloaded his, but it is what it is.</P>


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I agree....Osi should play out his contract <FONT color=#0000ff size=5>and stfu.</FONT></P>


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and Tuck needs to do the same thing concerning Osis finances!</P>

FBomb
06-01-2012, 01:18 PM
If Tuck thinks Osi should be paid so bad he should give up some of his own salary to Osi.</P>


Some are under the impression that that is EXACTLY what's going to happen. </P>


</P>


Osi signed a 7 year 41M contract, and Tuck signed a 5 year 30M contract...</P>


Sorry if Osi frontloaded his, but it is what it is.</P>


</P>


I agree....Osi should play out his contract <FONT color=#0000ff size=5>and stfu.</FONT></P>


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and Tuck needs to do the same thing concerning Osis finances!</P>


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If Osi would, they all would.</P>

RoanokeFan
06-01-2012, 01:29 PM
If Tuck thinks Osi should be paid so bad he should give up some of his own salary to Osi.</p>


Some are under the impression that that is EXACTLY what's going to happen. </p>


</p>


Osi signed a 7 year 41M contract, and Tuck signed a 5 year 30M contract...</p>


Sorry if Osi frontloaded his, but it is what it is.</p>


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I agree....Osi should play out his contract and stfu.</p>

How refreshing that would be, but now that he's, at least temporarily, representing himself, I don't see him changing his strategy in the court of public opinion.

giantsfan420
06-01-2012, 01:40 PM
Odd for him to speak out like this... And it's interesting, because Tuck himself deserves to get paid - he just doesn't complain about it.*

Tuck has always said Osi should be paid.
And I agree with himFYI: Kiwi just said the same thing. They are all close in that dl group. Is it really a surprise to anyone that the players want their close friend whose also a player for the same team to get paid? If anything this kinda exemplifies how loyal they are bc they have to know that money fo osi means not money for him</P>


Was this suppose to be in red?</P>


Jpp has stated hed take less money to keep osi around. Their is obviously a strong tie between our dl...u think they wouldnt have each others back in terms of extensions and contracts??</P>


If you don't think we would be in the same boat with JPP or Tuck when it comes time for those 2 to get paid and the money isn't there, you are sadly mistaken.* I wonder if Osi would give some of the money he's been crying about back to keep those guys??* </P>


I like your optomistic fairy tale.</P>


Take it easy man. It seems like ur trying to turn this into a "im right ur wrong"or situation and arent addressing my point. U dont think the duygs on the dl should or would be in support of each other in terms of being contracted by the nyg? I fail to see what makes that a fairy tale to you.... And again, jpp, tuck, and kiwi have all come out and supported osi....it jpp or tuck were in the sktuation osi is in, i believe the dl would support them all the same.</P>


Why is it you think I should "calm down" every time I don't agree with you?* There is nothing in my posts that show any hint of my being upset.</P>


I addressed your point just fine.* I think you have delusions of grandeur when it comes to players in the NFL.* We'll see what happens when/if one of them is actually*asked to give up money in ordert o hold onto another. </P>


Personally, I think it;s a sign that we are going to have the same problems when it's their time.* ESPECIALLY if Osi gets what he wants.</P>

My bad then when i read ur posts sometimes it comes off as being territorial or like ur trying to be alpha dog.

And u havent addressed it at all. The players have on record already come out and declare support for osi. Kiwi, jpp, and tuck...i was merely stating that bc they r members of a tight group of dl they have commrodory (sp?) And it doesnt surprise me theyd have each others back.

Ur disagreeing with something that has already happened lmao i dont get what ur trying to say..."i have delusions of grandeur..."bc i stated something factual?? Oh yeah, thats why i was saying take it easy, ur coming off as being confrontational and turning this into a right or wrong issue when all i did was state reality

FBomb
06-01-2012, 01:46 PM
Odd for him to speak out like this... And it's interesting, because Tuck himself deserves to get paid - he just doesn't complain about it.

Tuck has always said Osi should be paid.
And I agree with himFYI: Kiwi just said the same thing. They are all close in that dl group. Is it really a surprise to anyone that the players want their close friend whose also a player for the same team to get paid? If anything this kinda exemplifies how loyal they are bc they have to know that money fo osi means not money for him</P>


Was this suppose to be in red?</P>


Jpp has stated hed take less money to keep osi around. Their is obviously a strong tie between our dl...u think they wouldnt have each others back in terms of extensions and contracts??</P>


If you don't think we would be in the same boat with JPP or Tuck when it comes time for those 2 to get paid and the money isn't there, you are sadly mistaken. I wonder if Osi would give some of the money he's been crying about back to keep those guys?? </P>


I like your optomistic fairy tale.</P>


Take it easy man. It seems like ur trying to turn this into a "im right ur wrong"or situation and arent addressing my point. U dont think the duygs on the dl should or would be in support of each other in terms of being contracted by the nyg? I fail to see what makes that a fairy tale to you.... And again, jpp, tuck, and kiwi have all come out and supported osi....it jpp or tuck were in the sktuation osi is in, i believe the dl would support them all the same.</P>


Why is it you think I should "calm down" every time I don't agree with you? There is nothing in my posts that show any hint of my being upset.</P>


I addressed your point just fine. I think you have delusions of grandeur when it comes to players in the NFL. We'll see what happens when/if one of them is actuallyasked to give up money in ordert o hold onto another. </P>


Personally, I think it;s a sign that we are going to have the same problems when it's their time. ESPECIALLY if Osi gets what he wants.</P>


My bad then when i read ur posts sometimes it comes off as being territorial or like ur trying to be alpha dog. And u havent addressed it at all. The players have on record already come out and declare support for osi. Kiwi, jpp, and tuck...i was merely stating that bc they r members of a tight group of dl they have commrodory (sp?) And it doesnt surprise me theyd have each others back. Ur disagreeing with something that has already happened lmao i dont get what ur trying to say..."i have delusions of grandeur..."bc i stated something factual?? Oh yeah, thats why i was saying take it easy, ur coming off as being confrontational and turning this into a right or wrong issue when all i did was state reality</P>


lol......NOTHING has already happened. Stating your support for your teammate and actually GIVING it is 2 different things. Talk is cheap.</P>


Let's see if anyone gives up something to keep Osi.</P>

CGYgiant
06-01-2012, 01:59 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</p>


</p>

I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <font size="5">In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</font>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.

RoanokeFan
06-01-2012, 02:07 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</p>


</p>

I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <font size="5">In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</font>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions. That is what versatility means. It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora. Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.

giantsfan420
06-01-2012, 02:12 PM
Odd for him to speak out like this... And it's interesting, because Tuck himself deserves to get paid - he just doesn't complain about it.*

Tuck has always said Osi should be paid.
And I agree with himFYI: Kiwi just said the same thing. They are all close in that dl group. Is it really a surprise to anyone that the players want their close friend whose also a player for the same team to get paid? If anything this kinda exemplifies how loyal they are bc they have to know that money fo osi means not money for him</P>


Was this suppose to be in red?</P>


Jpp has stated hed take less money to keep osi around. Their is obviously a strong tie between our dl...u think they wouldnt have each others back in terms of extensions and contracts??</P>


If you don't think we would be in the same boat with JPP or Tuck when it comes time for those 2 to get paid and the money isn't there, you are sadly mistaken.* I wonder if Osi would give some of the money he's been crying about back to keep those guys??* </P>


I like your optomistic fairy tale.</P>


Take it easy man. It seems like ur trying to turn this into a "im right ur wrong"or situation and arent addressing my point. U dont think the duygs on the dl should or would be in support of each other in terms of being contracted by the nyg? I fail to see what makes that a fairy tale to you.... And again, jpp, tuck, and kiwi have all come out and supported osi....it jpp or tuck were in the sktuation osi is in, i believe the dl would support them all the same.</P>


Why is it you think I should "calm down" every time I don't agree with you?* There is nothing in my posts that show any hint of my being upset.</P>


I addressed your point just fine.* I think you have delusions of grandeur when it comes to players in the NFL.* We'll see what happens when/if one of them is actually*asked to give up money in ordert o hold onto another. </P>


Personally, I think it;s a sign that we are going to have the same problems when it's their time.* ESPECIALLY if Osi gets what he wants.</P>


My bad then when i read ur posts sometimes it comes off as being territorial or like ur trying to be alpha dog. And u havent addressed it at all. The players have on record already come out and declare support for osi. Kiwi, jpp, and tuck...i was merely stating that bc they r members of a tight group of dl they have commrodory (sp?) And it doesnt surprise me theyd have each others back. Ur disagreeing with something that has already happened lmao i dont get what ur trying to say..."i have delusions of grandeur..."bc i stated something factual?? Oh yeah, thats why i was saying take it easy, ur coming off as being confrontational and turning this into a right or wrong issue when all i did was state reality</P>


lol......NOTHING has already happened.* Stating your support for your teammate and actually GIVING it is 2 different things. Talk is cheap.</P>


Let's see if anyone gives up something to keep Osi.</P>
jpp has already said hed take less if it means osi stays. I do agree tho that they prob wouldnt give up their own money but bj did do it for bradshaw so there is precedent.

My original post was just stating that the dl have stated support and that i could understand why. I thought u were disagreeing with that but i see what u disagree with, whether the players would actually do it and put their money where their mouth is

RoanokeFan
06-01-2012, 02:13 PM
Odd for him to speak out like this... And it's interesting, because Tuck himself deserves to get paid - he just doesn't complain about it.

Tuck has always said Osi should be paid.
And I agree with himFYI: Kiwi just said the same thing. They are all close in that dl group. Is it really a surprise to anyone that the players want their close friend whose also a player for the same team to get paid? If anything this kinda exemplifies how loyal they are bc they have to know that money fo osi means not money for him</p>


Was this suppose to be in red?</p>


Jpp has stated hed take less money to keep osi around. Their is obviously a strong tie between our dl...u think they wouldnt have each others back in terms of extensions and contracts??</p>


If you don't think we would be in the same boat with JPP or Tuck when it comes time for those 2 to get paid and the money isn't there, you are sadly mistaken. I wonder if Osi would give some of the money he's been crying about back to keep those guys?? </p>


I like your optomistic fairy tale.</p>


Take it easy man. It seems like ur trying to turn this into a "im right ur wrong"or situation and arent addressing my point. U dont think the duygs on the dl should or would be in support of each other in terms of being contracted by the nyg? I fail to see what makes that a fairy tale to you.... And again, jpp, tuck, and kiwi have all come out and supported osi....it jpp or tuck were in the sktuation osi is in, i believe the dl would support them all the same.</p>


Why is it you think I should "calm down" every time I don't agree with you? There is nothing in my posts that show any hint of my being upset.</p>


I addressed your point just fine. I think you have delusions of grandeur when it comes to players in the NFL. We'll see what happens when/if one of them is actuallyasked to give up money in ordert o hold onto another. </p>


Personally, I think it;s a sign that we are going to have the same problems when it's their time. ESPECIALLY if Osi gets what he wants.</p>


My bad then when i read ur posts sometimes it comes off as being territorial or like ur trying to be alpha dog. And u havent addressed it at all. The players have on record already come out and declare support for osi. Kiwi, jpp, and tuck...i was merely stating that bc they r members of a tight group of dl they have commrodory (sp?) And it doesnt surprise me theyd have each others back. Ur disagreeing with something that has already happened lmao i dont get what ur trying to say..."i have delusions of grandeur..."bc i stated something factual?? Oh yeah, thats why i was saying take it easy, ur coming off as being confrontational and turning this into a right or wrong issue when all i did was state reality</p>


lol......NOTHING has already happened. Stating your support for your teammate and actually GIVING it is 2 different things. Talk is cheap.</p>


Let's see if anyone gives up something to keep Osi.</p>
jpp has already said hed take less if it means osi stays. I do agree tho that they prob wouldnt give up their own money but bj did do it for bradshaw so there is precedent.

My original post was just stating that the dl have stated support and that i could understand why. I thought u were disagreeing with that but i see what u disagree with, whether the players would actually do it and put their money where their mouth is

Players not involved can say whatever they want. At some point, they are going to be approached by Jerry Reese when it's their turn. Unless they offer part of their salary up when it matters, it's all just RAH RAH BS.

FBomb
06-01-2012, 02:17 PM
Odd for him to speak out like this... And it's interesting, because Tuck himself deserves to get paid - he just doesn't complain about it.

Tuck has always said Osi should be paid.
And I agree with himFYI: Kiwi just said the same thing. They are all close in that dl group. Is it really a surprise to anyone that the players want their close friend whose also a player for the same team to get paid? If anything this kinda exemplifies how loyal they are bc they have to know that money fo osi means not money for him</P>


Was this suppose to be in red?</P>


Jpp has stated hed take less money to keep osi around. Their is obviously a strong tie between our dl...u think they wouldnt have each others back in terms of extensions and contracts??</P>


If you don't think we would be in the same boat with JPP or Tuck when it comes time for those 2 to get paid and the money isn't there, you are sadly mistaken. I wonder if Osi would give some of the money he's been crying about back to keep those guys?? </P>


I like your optomistic fairy tale.</P>


Take it easy man. It seems like ur trying to turn this into a "im right ur wrong"or situation and arent addressing my point. U dont think the duygs on the dl should or would be in support of each other in terms of being contracted by the nyg? I fail to see what makes that a fairy tale to you.... And again, jpp, tuck, and kiwi have all come out and supported osi....it jpp or tuck were in the sktuation osi is in, i believe the dl would support them all the same.</P>


Why is it you think I should "calm down" every time I don't agree with you? There is nothing in my posts that show any hint of my being upset.</P>


I addressed your point just fine. I think you have delusions of grandeur when it comes to players in the NFL. We'll see what happens when/if one of them is actuallyasked to give up money in ordert o hold onto another. </P>


Personally, I think it;s a sign that we are going to have the same problems when it's their time. ESPECIALLY if Osi gets what he wants.</P>


My bad then when i read ur posts sometimes it comes off as being territorial or like ur trying to be alpha dog. And u havent addressed it at all. The players have on record already come out and declare support for osi. Kiwi, jpp, and tuck...i was merely stating that bc they r members of a tight group of dl they have commrodory (sp?) And it doesnt surprise me theyd have each others back. Ur disagreeing with something that has already happened lmao i dont get what ur trying to say..."i have delusions of grandeur..."bc i stated something factual?? Oh yeah, thats why i was saying take it easy, ur coming off as being confrontational and turning this into a right or wrong issue when all i did was state reality</P>


lol......NOTHING has already happened. Stating your support for your teammate and actually GIVING it is 2 different things. Talk is cheap.</P>


Let's see if anyone gives up something to keep Osi.</P>


jpp has already said hed take less if it means osi stays. I do agree tho that they prob wouldnt give up their own money but bj did do it for bradshaw so there is precedent. My original post was just stating that the dl have stated support and that i could understand why. I thought u were disagreeing with that but i see what u disagree with, whether the players would actually do it and put their money where their mouth is</P>


Exactly.</P>


BJ pretty much HAD to in order to stay on the roster.The Giants would have released BJ to keep AB.</P>


These guys are going to be getting new contracts soon and giving into Osi's demands will have an effect on that. I just don't see it......and now Rolle (the most overpaid player on the team) is stating Osi should get paid. Let's see if Rolle willing gives up something.</P>

CGYgiant
06-01-2012, 02:17 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</p>


</p>

I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <font size="5">In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</font>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions. That is what versatility means. It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora. Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree, liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not hear from Tuck or JPP - that is if they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.

giantsfan420
06-01-2012, 02:22 PM
Odd for him to speak out like this... And it's interesting, because Tuck himself deserves to get paid - he just doesn't complain about it.*

Tuck has always said Osi should be paid.
And I agree with himFYI: Kiwi just said the same thing. They are all close in that dl group. Is it really a surprise to anyone that the players want their close friend whose also a player for the same team to get paid? If anything this kinda exemplifies how loyal they are bc they have to know that money fo osi means not money for him</P>


Was this suppose to be in red?</P>


Jpp has stated hed take less money to keep osi around. Their is obviously a strong tie between our dl...u think they wouldnt have each others back in terms of extensions and contracts??</P>


If you don't think we would be in the same boat with JPP or Tuck when it comes time for those 2 to get paid and the money isn't there, you are sadly mistaken.* I wonder if Osi would give some of the money he's been crying about back to keep those guys??* </P>


I like your optomistic fairy tale.</P>


Take it easy man. It seems like ur trying to turn this into a "im right ur wrong"or situation and arent addressing my point. U dont think the duygs on the dl should or would be in support of each other in terms of being contracted by the nyg? I fail to see what makes that a fairy tale to you.... And again, jpp, tuck, and kiwi have all come out and supported osi....it jpp or tuck were in the sktuation osi is in, i believe the dl would support them all the same.</P>


Why is it you think I should "calm down" every time I don't agree with you?* There is nothing in my posts that show any hint of my being upset.</P>


I addressed your point just fine.* I think you have delusions of grandeur when it comes to players in the NFL.* We'll see what happens when/if one of them is actually*asked to give up money in ordert o hold onto another. </P>


Personally, I think it;s a sign that we are going to have the same problems when it's their time.* ESPECIALLY if Osi gets what he wants.</P>


My bad then when i read ur posts sometimes it comes off as being territorial or like ur trying to be alpha dog. And u havent addressed it at all. The players have on record already come out and declare support for osi. Kiwi, jpp, and tuck...i was merely stating that bc they r members of a tight group of dl they have commrodory (sp?) And it doesnt surprise me theyd have each others back. Ur disagreeing with something that has already happened lmao i dont get what ur trying to say..."i have delusions of grandeur..."bc i stated something factual?? Oh yeah, thats why i was saying take it easy, ur coming off as being confrontational and turning this into a right or wrong issue when all i did was state reality</P>


lol......NOTHING has already happened.* Stating your support for your teammate and actually GIVING it is 2 different things. Talk is cheap.</P>


Let's see if anyone gives up something to keep Osi.</P>


jpp has already said hed take less if it means osi stays. I do agree tho that they prob wouldnt give up their own money but bj did do it for bradshaw so there is precedent. My original post was just stating that the dl have stated support and that i could understand why. I thought u were disagreeing with that but i see what u disagree with, whether the players would actually do it and put their money where their mouth is</P>


Exactly.</P>


BJ pretty much HAD to in order to stay on the roster.*The Giants would have released BJ to keep AB.</P>


These guys are going to be getting new contracts soon and giving into Osi's demands will have an effect on that.* I just don't see it......and now Rolle (the most overpaid player on the team) is stating Osi should get paid.* Let's see if Rolle willing gives up something.</P>

Yeah wtf is rolle thinking?/

RoanokeFan
06-01-2012, 02:30 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</p>


</p>

I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <font size="5">In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</font>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions. That is what versatility means. It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora. Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team. A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example. A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else. Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end. When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB. Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback." He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.

CGYgiant
06-01-2012, 03:27 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</p>


</p>

I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <font size="5">In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</font>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions. That is what versatility means. It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora. Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team. A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example. A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else. Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end. When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB. Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback." He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.


OK. you avoided everything I said. Pass rushers are always more valuable then a run stuffing LB who is a average pass rusher.

Jerry Reece's philosophy, as was Accrosi's was "You can never have enough Pass Rushers" not "You can never have enough 2-down LBs"

Our success for the past two super bowls has been predicated on our ability to get to the quarterback, Osi clearly does it the best on our team.

lastly, In terms of positional value, (After QB's), LT's, rush LB's, and RE's in this league are the most valued positions in this league. The value has, if anything, increased since Osi signed his contract and he wants a raise. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just earned a Degree in Business Administration, if I see that my peers are getting more money because of there new found value then you bet I would fight for it as well. You can't condemn these individuals for wanting wait there value dictates. Its as simple as that.

I guess you didn't hear the FO release Shaun O'Hara and Rich Suebert when they were UNDER CONTRACT. I guess its fine when the FO makes moves that is in the best interest of themselves.

Hypocritical much?

FBomb
06-01-2012, 03:51 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</P>


</P>




I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <FONT size=5>In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</FONT>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions. That is what versatility means. It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora. Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team. A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example. A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else. Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end. When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB. Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback." He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.


OK. you avoided everything I said. Pass rushers are always more valuable then a run stuffing LB who is a average pass rusher.

Jerry Reece's philosophy, as was Accrosi's was "You can never have enough Pass Rushers" not "You can never have enough 2-down LBs"

Our success for the past two super bowls has been predicated on our ability to get to the quarterback, Osi clearly does it the best on our team.

lastly, In terms of positional value, (After QB's), LT's, rush LB's, and RE's in this league are the most valued positions in this league. The value has, if anything, increased since Osi signed his contract and he wants a raise. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just earned a Degree in Business Administration, if I see that my peers are getting more money because of there new found value then you bet I would fight for it as well. You can't condemn these individuals for wanting wait there value dictates. Its as simple as that.

I guess you didn't hear the FO release Shaun O'Hara and Rich Suebert when they were UNDER CONTRACT. I guess its fine when the FO makes moves that is in the best interest of themselves.

Hypocritical much?
</P>


lol....I love this arguement.....When the Giants released SO and RS they were acting within the confines of the contract. A contract SO and RS willingly signed. Same with Osi.....he willingly signed a front loaded deal knowing full well that the last years of his contract were for less money. One year Osi did not play a down and still got paid as per the contract.....the following year, during his recovery, hewas medicocre and still got paid as per the contract. The Giants did not break any contracts, it's ok that Osi wants to?</P>


So, what does your degree say about that?</P>

CGYgiant
06-01-2012, 04:09 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</p>


</p>




I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <font size="5">In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</font>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions. That is what versatility means. It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora. Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team. A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example. A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else. Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end. When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB. Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback." He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.


OK. you avoided everything I said. Pass rushers are always more valuable then a run stuffing LB who is a average pass rusher.

Jerry Reece's philosophy, as was Accrosi's was "You can never have enough Pass Rushers" not "You can never have enough 2-down LBs"

Our success for the past two super bowls has been predicated on our ability to get to the quarterback, Osi clearly does it the best on our team.

lastly, In terms of positional value, (After QB's), LT's, rush LB's, and RE's in this league are the most valued positions in this league. The value has, if anything, increased since Osi signed his contract and he wants a raise. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just earned a Degree in Business Administration, if I see that my peers are getting more money because of there new found value then you bet I would fight for it as well. You can't condemn these individuals for wanting wait there value dictates. Its as simple as that.

I guess you didn't hear the FO release Shaun O'Hara and Rich Suebert when they were UNDER CONTRACT. I guess its fine when the FO makes moves that is in the best interest of themselves.

Hypocritical much?
</p>


lol....I love this arguement.....When the Giants released SO and RS they were acting within the confines of the contract. A contract SO and RS willingly signed. Same with Osi.....he willingly signed a front loaded deal knowing full well that the last years of his contract were for less money. One year Osi did not play a down and still got paid as per the contract.....the following year, during his recovery, hewas medicocre and still got paid as per the contract. The Giants did not break any contracts, it's ok that Osi wants to?</p>


So, what does your degree say about that?</p>

My degree defnietly didn't teach me reading comprehension, but that comes naturally for some, and not for others.

I was using my degree in reference for an individuals value/worth to his organization, nothing more. So relax there tough guy.

I find this really interesting, so what you're saying is the FO can dump players/salaries in there best interest and not worry? both of these players were under contract? why didn't the FO honor that?

Also you are acting like its rare for a player to renegotiate contracts, especially when the player is one of the best pass rushers in the league. Osi simply asking for market value, nothing else. I really don't see why this is unreasonable. Perhaps you can enlighten us?

RoanokeFan
06-01-2012, 04:20 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</p>


</p>

I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <font size="5">In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</font>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions. That is what versatility means. It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora. Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team. A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example. A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else. Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end. When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB. Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback." He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.


OK. you avoided everything I said. Pass rushers are always more valuable then a run stuffing LB who is a average pass rusher.

Jerry Reece's philosophy, as was Accrosi's was "You can never have enough Pass Rushers" not "You can never have enough 2-down LBs"

Our success for the past two super bowls has been predicated on our ability to get to the quarterback, Osi clearly does it the best on our team.

lastly, In terms of positional value, (After QB's), LT's, rush LB's, and RE's in this league are the most valued positions in this league. The value has, if anything, increased since Osi signed his contract and he wants a raise. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just earned a Degree in Business Administration, if I see that my peers are getting more money because of there new found value then you bet I would fight for it as well. You can't condemn these individuals for wanting wait there value dictates. Its as simple as that.

I guess you didn't hear the FO release Shaun O'Hara and Rich Suebert when they were UNDER CONTRACT. I guess its fine when the FO makes moves that is in the best interest of themselves.

Hypocritical much?


Answer this, did releasing O'Hara and Seubert violate the terms of their contracts? Did they sign with another team? It is fine when either side takes an action IN ACCORDANCE with the agreements both have signed. Releasing them, Smith, Cofield, and Boss made the team better. THAT is Reese's job.

Here's the issue, for me. Fight for every penny. Do it within it the confines of any existing legal agreement(s) an d do it privately. Simple.

Here's how theses boards work. Everyone has an opinion. Just because I don't agree with your position doesn't make me right. But it is how it works.

FBomb
06-01-2012, 04:22 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</P>


</P>




I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <FONT size=5>In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</FONT>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions. That is what versatility means. It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora. Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team. A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example. A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else. Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end. When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB. Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback." He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.


OK. you avoided everything I said. Pass rushers are always more valuable then a run stuffing LB who is a average pass rusher.

Jerry Reece's philosophy, as was Accrosi's was "You can never have enough Pass Rushers" not "You can never have enough 2-down LBs"

Our success for the past two super bowls has been predicated on our ability to get to the quarterback, Osi clearly does it the best on our team.

lastly, In terms of positional value, (After QB's), LT's, rush LB's, and RE's in this league are the most valued positions in this league. The value has, if anything, increased since Osi signed his contract and he wants a raise. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just earned a Degree in Business Administration, if I see that my peers are getting more money because of there new found value then you bet I would fight for it as well. You can't condemn these individuals for wanting wait there value dictates. Its as simple as that.

I guess you didn't hear the FO release Shaun O'Hara and Rich Suebert when they were UNDER CONTRACT. I guess its fine when the FO makes moves that is in the best interest of themselves.

Hypocritical much?
</P>


lol....I love this arguement.....When the Giants released SO and RS they were acting within the confines of the contract. A contract SO and RS willingly signed. Same with Osi.....he willingly signed a front loaded deal knowing full well that the last years of his contract were for less money. One year Osi did not play a down and still got paid as per the contract.....the following year, during his recovery, hewas medicocre and still got paid as per the contract. The Giants did not break any contracts, it's ok that Osi wants to?</P>


So, what does your degree say about that?</P>




My degree defnietly didn't teach me reading comprehension, but that comes naturally for some, and not for others.

I was using my degree in reference for an individuals value/worth to his organization, nothing more. So relax there tough guy.

I find this really interesting, so what you're saying is the FO can dump players/salaries in there best interest and not worry? both of these players were under contract? why didn't the FO honor that?

Also you are acting like its rare for a player to renegotiate contracts, especially when the player is one of the best pass rushers in the league. Osi simply asking for market value, nothing else. I really don't see why this is unreasonable. Perhaps you can enlighten us?



</P>


lol....perhaps if you took a reading comprehension class your problem would then be solved? </P>


The contracts state that the Giantswere within their rights to do just that!! This arguement about not honoring contracts isinvalid because the Giants didn't break any contract. And the playerssign these contracts knowing that is the way NFL contracts work. I assumed your degree would help you understand that point....but, what can you do?</P>


"Tough guy"??? Really? Why is it no one can state their differences of opinions without being accused of being upset or acting like a tough guy? </P>


Nothing wrong with Osi wanting more money.......everybody wants more money......the problem is him whining about it in the press because he has ZERO leverage in this situation.</P>


</P>

Harooni
06-01-2012, 04:37 PM
If Tuck thinks Osi should be paid so bad he should give up some of his own salary to Osi.</p>


Some are under the impression that that is EXACTLY what's going to happen. </p>


</p>


Osi signed a 7 year 41M contract, and Tuck signed a 5 year 30M contract...</p>


Sorry if Osi frontloaded his, but it is what it is.</p>

bingo, if osi needs more tell him to call the nation he is royalty in and have them ship him gold bars.

RoanokeFan
06-01-2012, 04:39 PM
If Tuck thinks Osi should be paid so bad he should give up some of his own salary to Osi.</p>


Some are under the impression that that is EXACTLY what's going to happen. </p>


</p>


Osi signed a 7 year 41M contract, and Tuck signed a 5 year 30M contract...</p>


Sorry if Osi frontloaded his, but it is what it is.</p>

bingo, if osi needs more tell him to call the nation he is royalty in and have them ship him gold bars.


I didn't know that

Harooni
06-01-2012, 04:47 PM
If Tuck thinks Osi should be paid so bad he should give up some of his own salary to Osi.</p>


Some are under the impression that that is EXACTLY what's going to happen. </p>


</p>


Osi signed a 7 year 41M contract, and Tuck signed a 5 year 30M contract...</p>


Sorry if Osi frontloaded his, but it is what it is.</p>

bingo, if osi needs more tell him to call the nation he is royalty in and have them ship him gold bars.


I didn't know that


he is some sort of chief in Nigeria .

RoanokeFan
06-01-2012, 04:50 PM
If Tuck thinks Osi should be paid so bad he should give up some of his own salary to Osi.</p>


Some are under the impression that that is EXACTLY what's going to happen. </p>


</p>


Osi signed a 7 year 41M contract, and Tuck signed a 5 year 30M contract...</p>


Sorry if Osi frontloaded his, but it is what it is.</p>

bingo, if osi needs more tell him to call the nation he is royalty in and have them ship him gold bars.


I didn't know that


he is some sort of chief in Nigeria .


Who's the bigger "Chief", Prince or Osi?

FBomb
06-01-2012, 04:55 PM
If Tuck thinks Osi should be paid so bad he should give up some of his own salary to Osi.</P>


Some are under the impression that that is EXACTLY what's going to happen. </P>


</P>


Osi signed a 7 year 41M contract, and Tuck signed a 5 year 30M contract...</P>


Sorry if Osi frontloaded his, but it is what it is.</P>




bingo, if osi needs more tell him to call the nation he is royalty in and have them ship him gold bars.


I didn't know that


he is some sort of chief in Nigeria .
</P>


"I am looking for my son, Osi"</P>


https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1pqh0QUAGHKqrQrbPJEMyfrhrimITc hLeSmpxybMReMX4mpNMfw</P>

RoanokeFan
06-01-2012, 04:58 PM
If Tuck thinks Osi should be paid so bad he should give up some of his own salary to Osi.</p>


Some are under the impression that that is EXACTLY what's going to happen. </p>


</p>


Osi signed a 7 year 41M contract, and Tuck signed a 5 year 30M contract...</p>


Sorry if Osi frontloaded his, but it is what it is.</p>




bingo, if osi needs more tell him to call the nation he is royalty in and have them ship him gold bars.


I didn't know that


he is some sort of chief in Nigeria .
</p>


"I am looking for my son, Osi"</p>


https://encrypted-tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR1pqh0QUAGHKqrQrbPJEMyfrhrimITc hLeSmpxybMReMX4mpNMfw</p>

LMAO dork!

CGYgiant
06-01-2012, 05:06 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</p>


</p>




I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <font size="5">In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</font>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions. That is what versatility means. It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora. Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team. A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example. A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else. Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end. When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB. Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback." He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.


OK. you avoided everything I said. Pass rushers are always more valuable then a run stuffing LB who is a average pass rusher.

Jerry Reece's philosophy, as was Accrosi's was "You can never have enough Pass Rushers" not "You can never have enough 2-down LBs"

Our success for the past two super bowls has been predicated on our ability to get to the quarterback, Osi clearly does it the best on our team.

lastly, In terms of positional value, (After QB's), LT's, rush LB's, and RE's in this league are the most valued positions in this league. The value has, if anything, increased since Osi signed his contract and he wants a raise. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just earned a Degree in Business Administration, if I see that my peers are getting more money because of there new found value then you bet I would fight for it as well. You can't condemn these individuals for wanting wait there value dictates. Its as simple as that.

I guess you didn't hear the FO release Shaun O'Hara and Rich Suebert when they were UNDER CONTRACT. I guess its fine when the FO makes moves that is in the best interest of themselves.

Hypocritical much?
</p>


lol....I love this arguement.....When the Giants released SO and RS they were acting within the confines of the contract. A contract SO and RS willingly signed. Same with Osi.....he willingly signed a front loaded deal knowing full well that the last years of his contract were for less money. One year Osi did not play a down and still got paid as per the contract.....the following year, during his recovery, hewas medicocre and still got paid as per the contract. The Giants did not break any contracts, it's ok that Osi wants to?</p>


So, what does your degree say about that?</p>




My degree defnietly didn't teach me reading comprehension, but that comes naturally for some, and not for others.

I was using my degree in reference for an individuals value/worth to his organization, nothing more. So relax there tough guy.

I find this really interesting, so what you're saying is the FO can dump players/salaries in there best interest and not worry? both of these players were under contract? why didn't the FO honor that?

Also you are acting like its rare for a player to renegotiate contracts, especially when the player is one of the best pass rushers in the league. Osi simply asking for market value, nothing else. I really don't see why this is unreasonable. Perhaps you can enlighten us?



</p>


lol....perhaps if you took a reading comprehension class your problem would then be solved? </p>


The contracts state that the Giantswere within their rights to do just that!! This arguement about not honoring contracts isinvalid because the Giants didn't break any contract. And the playerssign these contracts knowing that is the way NFL contracts work. I assumed your degree would help you understand that point....but, what can you do?</p>


"Tough guy"??? Really? Why is it no one can state their differences of opinions without being accused of being upset or acting like a tough guy? </p>


Nothing wrong with Osi wanting more money.......everybody wants more money......the problem is him whining about it in the press because he has ZERO leverage in this situation.</p>


</p>

Shaun O'hara didn't want to renegotiate the terms of his contract and that's why he was let go, but alas, you clearly don't understand the term "hypocritical" so ill just leave it at that.

So wait a second, how is Osi breaking any rules in his contract? and how would my degree in Business Administration teach me about contracts in the NFL? huh?

and no, me and Ronakefan (sp) were having a debate. All you do is provoke people then act like a little girl when they say something back. Its real easy to be big shot on the internet champ.

anyways, Osi is still playing and has never done anything to break his contract? and people are acting like Jerry Reese has NOT gone public with anything lol. Wow. Wouldn't what Jerry Reese said to the press be considered "whining" too? or wait, Osi started it. In that case, its fine.

CGYgiant
06-01-2012, 05:11 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</p>


</p>

I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <font size="5">In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</font>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions. That is what versatility means. It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora. Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team. A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example. A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else. Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end. When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB. Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback." He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.


OK. you avoided everything I said. Pass rushers are always more valuable then a run stuffing LB who is a average pass rusher.

Jerry Reece's philosophy, as was Accrosi's was "You can never have enough Pass Rushers" not "You can never have enough 2-down LBs"

Our success for the past two super bowls has been predicated on our ability to get to the quarterback, Osi clearly does it the best on our team.

lastly, In terms of positional value, (After QB's), LT's, rush LB's, and RE's in this league are the most valued positions in this league. The value has, if anything, increased since Osi signed his contract and he wants a raise. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just earned a Degree in Business Administration, if I see that my peers are getting more money because of there new found value then you bet I would fight for it as well. You can't condemn these individuals for wanting wait there value dictates. Its as simple as that.

I guess you didn't hear the FO release Shaun O'Hara and Rich Suebert when they were UNDER CONTRACT. I guess its fine when the FO makes moves that is in the best interest of themselves.

Hypocritical much?


Answer this, did releasing O'Hara and Seubert violate the terms of their contracts? Did they sign with another team? It is fine when either side takes an action IN ACCORDANCE with the agreements both have signed. Releasing them, Smith, Cofield, and Boss made the team better. THAT is Reese's job.

Here's the issue, for me. Fight for every penny. Do it within it the confines of any existing legal agreement(s) an d do it privately. Simple.

Here's how theses boards work. Everyone has an opinion. Just because I don't agree with your position doesn't make me right. But it is how it works.


O'hara was let go because he didn't want to regotiate his contract, similar to Jacobs. Even if the Giant's wrote that into the contract are they not being hypocrites in the Osi situation?

That's where I get annoyed. The players do whats best for them, and so does management. However, on these boards, its all about how the players are greedy and how the FO doesn't slight anyone.

I guess we can agree to disagree though. Thank's for being classy in your posts btw, despite our disagreements.

FBomb
06-01-2012, 05:16 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</P>


</P>




I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <FONT size=5>In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</FONT>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions. That is what versatility means. It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora. Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team. A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example. A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else. Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end. When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB. Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback." He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.


OK. you avoided everything I said. Pass rushers are always more valuable then a run stuffing LB who is a average pass rusher.

Jerry Reece's philosophy, as was Accrosi's was "You can never have enough Pass Rushers" not "You can never have enough 2-down LBs"

Our success for the past two super bowls has been predicated on our ability to get to the quarterback, Osi clearly does it the best on our team.

lastly, In terms of positional value, (After QB's), LT's, rush LB's, and RE's in this league are the most valued positions in this league. The value has, if anything, increased since Osi signed his contract and he wants a raise. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just earned a Degree in Business Administration, if I see that my peers are getting more money because of there new found value then you bet I would fight for it as well. You can't condemn these individuals for wanting wait there value dictates. Its as simple as that.

I guess you didn't hear the FO release Shaun O'Hara and Rich Suebert when they were UNDER CONTRACT. I guess its fine when the FO makes moves that is in the best interest of themselves.

Hypocritical much?
</P>


lol....I love this arguement.....When the Giants released SO and RS they were acting within the confines of the contract. A contract SO and RS willingly signed. Same with Osi.....he willingly signed a front loaded deal knowing full well that the last years of his contract were for less money. One year Osi did not play a down and still got paid as per the contract.....the following year, during his recovery, hewas medicocre and still got paid as per the contract. The Giants did not break any contracts, it's ok that Osi wants to?</P>


So, what does your degree say about that?</P>




My degree defnietly didn't teach me reading comprehension, but that comes naturally for some, and not for others.

I was using my degree in reference for an individuals value/worth to his organization, nothing more. So relax there tough guy.

I find this really interesting, so what you're saying is the FO can dump players/salaries in there best interest and not worry? both of these players were under contract? why didn't the FO honor that?

Also you are acting like its rare for a player to renegotiate contracts, especially when the player is one of the best pass rushers in the league. Osi simply asking for market value, nothing else. I really don't see why this is unreasonable. Perhaps you can enlighten us?



</P>


lol....perhaps if you took a reading comprehension class your problem would then be solved? </P>


The contracts state that the Giantswere within their rights to do just that!! This arguement about not honoring contracts isinvalid because the Giants didn't break any contract. And the playerssign these contracts knowing that is the way NFL contracts work. I assumed your degree would help you understand that point....but, what can you do?</P>


"Tough guy"??? Really? Why is it no one can state their differences of opinions without being accused of being upset or acting like a tough guy? </P>


Nothing wrong with Osi wanting more money.......everybody wants more money......the problem is him whining about it in the press because he has ZERO leverage in this situation.</P>


</P>




Shaun O'hara didn't want to renegotiate the terms of his contract and that's why he was let go, but alas, you clearly don't understand the term "hypocritical" so ill just leave it at that.

So wait a second, how does is Osi breaking any rules in his contract? and how would my degree in Business Administration teach me about contracts in the NFL? huh?

and no, me and Ronakefan (sp) were having a debate. All you do is provoke people then act like a little girl when they say something back. Its real easy to be big shot on the internet champ.

anyways, Osi is still playing and has never done anything to break his contract? and people are acting like Jerry Reese has NOT gone public with anything lol. Wow. Wouldn't what Jerry Reese said to the press "whining" too? or wait, Osi started it. In that case, its fine.




lol.....I guess that continuing to point out that Reese still hasn't broken any contracts is pointless now...or the fact that Reese was trying to SAVE O'Hara from being cut by asking him to restructure means anything to you. The Osi groupies have spoken</P>


We all know what hypocritical means, you just haven't used it properly.</P>


The reason you don't like my posts is not because I act like a little girl.....it's that I act like a little girl and still make you look stupid.</P>


Reese hasn't whined at all. he was asked about Osi and answered it with a dignified response.</P>

CGYgiant
06-01-2012, 05:24 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</p>


</p>




I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <font size="5">In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</font>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions. That is what versatility means. It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora. Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team. A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example. A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else. Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end. When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB. Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback." He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.


OK. you avoided everything I said. Pass rushers are always more valuable then a run stuffing LB who is a average pass rusher.

Jerry Reece's philosophy, as was Accrosi's was "You can never have enough Pass Rushers" not "You can never have enough 2-down LBs"

Our success for the past two super bowls has been predicated on our ability to get to the quarterback, Osi clearly does it the best on our team.

lastly, In terms of positional value, (After QB's), LT's, rush LB's, and RE's in this league are the most valued positions in this league. The value has, if anything, increased since Osi signed his contract and he wants a raise. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just earned a Degree in Business Administration, if I see that my peers are getting more money because of there new found value then you bet I would fight for it as well. You can't condemn these individuals for wanting wait there value dictates. Its as simple as that.

I guess you didn't hear the FO release Shaun O'Hara and Rich Suebert when they were UNDER CONTRACT. I guess its fine when the FO makes moves that is in the best interest of themselves.

Hypocritical much?
</p>


lol....I love this arguement.....When the Giants released SO and RS they were acting within the confines of the contract. A contract SO and RS willingly signed. Same with Osi.....he willingly signed a front loaded deal knowing full well that the last years of his contract were for less money. One year Osi did not play a down and still got paid as per the contract.....the following year, during his recovery, hewas medicocre and still got paid as per the contract. The Giants did not break any contracts, it's ok that Osi wants to?</p>


So, what does your degree say about that?</p>




My degree defnietly didn't teach me reading comprehension, but that comes naturally for some, and not for others.

I was using my degree in reference for an individuals value/worth to his organization, nothing more. So relax there tough guy.

I find this really interesting, so what you're saying is the FO can dump players/salaries in there best interest and not worry? both of these players were under contract? why didn't the FO honor that?

Also you are acting like its rare for a player to renegotiate contracts, especially when the player is one of the best pass rushers in the league. Osi simply asking for market value, nothing else. I really don't see why this is unreasonable. Perhaps you can enlighten us?



</p>


lol....perhaps if you took a reading comprehension class your problem would then be solved? </p>


The contracts state that the Giantswere within their rights to do just that!! This arguement about not honoring contracts isinvalid because the Giants didn't break any contract. And the playerssign these contracts knowing that is the way NFL contracts work. I assumed your degree would help you understand that point....but, what can you do?</p>


"Tough guy"??? Really? Why is it no one can state their differences of opinions without being accused of being upset or acting like a tough guy? </p>


Nothing wrong with Osi wanting more money.......everybody wants more money......the problem is him whining about it in the press because he has ZERO leverage in this situation.</p>


</p>




Shaun O'hara didn't want to renegotiate the terms of his contract and that's why he was let go, but alas, you clearly don't understand the term "hypocritical" so ill just leave it at that.

So wait a second, how does is Osi breaking any rules in his contract? and how would my degree in Business Administration teach me about contracts in the NFL? huh?

and no, me and Ronakefan (sp) were having a debate. All you do is provoke people then act like a little girl when they say something back. Its real easy to be big shot on the internet champ.

anyways, Osi is still playing and has never done anything to break his contract? and people are acting like Jerry Reese has NOT gone public with anything lol. Wow. Wouldn't what Jerry Reese said to the press "whining" too? or wait, Osi started it. In that case, its fine.




lol.....I guess that continuing to point out that Reese still hasn't broken any contracts is pointless now...or the fact that Reese was trying to SAVE O'Hara from being cut by asking him to restructure means anything to you. The Osi groupies have spoken</p>


We all know what hypocritical means, you just haven't used it properly.</p>


The reason you don't like my posts is not because I act like a little girl.....it's that I act like a little girl and still make you look stupid.</p>


Reese hasn't whined at all. he was asked about Osi and answered it with a dignified response.</p>

and, um. wow.

What contract has Osi broken genius? I don't even think you know exactly what you are talking about. You certainly like to talk a big game but you clearly understand far less then you think.

Im just happy our GM recognized Osi's value and restructured his contract. I wonder what our team would look like if we had brilliant minds like your own running the show.

Coughlin = Fired

Gilbride = Fired

Eli = traded

lastly, I never said I didn't like your posts? but I must confess, you do act like a little girl. I'm glad you didn't contradict that point at all. Must make sense in your head.

FBomb
06-01-2012, 05:27 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</P>


</P>




I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <FONT size=5>In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</FONT>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions. That is what versatility means. It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora. Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team. A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example. A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else. Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end. When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB. Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback." He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.


OK. you avoided everything I said. Pass rushers are always more valuable then a run stuffing LB who is a average pass rusher.

Jerry Reece's philosophy, as was Accrosi's was "You can never have enough Pass Rushers" not "You can never have enough 2-down LBs"

Our success for the past two super bowls has been predicated on our ability to get to the quarterback, Osi clearly does it the best on our team.

lastly, In terms of positional value, (After QB's), LT's, rush LB's, and RE's in this league are the most valued positions in this league. The value has, if anything, increased since Osi signed his contract and he wants a raise. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just earned a Degree in Business Administration, if I see that my peers are getting more money because of there new found value then you bet I would fight for it as well. You can't condemn these individuals for wanting wait there value dictates. Its as simple as that.

I guess you didn't hear the FO release Shaun O'Hara and Rich Suebert when they were UNDER CONTRACT. I guess its fine when the FO makes moves that is in the best interest of themselves.

Hypocritical much?
</P>


lol....I love this arguement.....When the Giants released SO and RS they were acting within the confines of the contract. A contract SO and RS willingly signed. Same with Osi.....he willingly signed a front loaded deal knowing full well that the last years of his contract were for less money. One year Osi did not play a down and still got paid as per the contract.....the following year, during his recovery, hewas medicocre and still got paid as per the contract. The Giants did not break any contracts, it's ok that Osi wants to?</P>


So, what does your degree say about that?</P>




My degree defnietly didn't teach me reading comprehension, but that comes naturally for some, and not for others.

I was using my degree in reference for an individuals value/worth to his organization, nothing more. So relax there tough guy.

I find this really interesting, so what you're saying is the FO can dump players/salaries in there best interest and not worry? both of these players were under contract? why didn't the FO honor that?

Also you are acting like its rare for a player to renegotiate contracts, especially when the player is one of the best pass rushers in the league. Osi simply asking for market value, nothing else. I really don't see why this is unreasonable. Perhaps you can enlighten us?



</P>


lol....perhaps if you took a reading comprehension class your problem would then be solved? </P>


The contracts state that the Giantswere within their rights to do just that!! This arguement about not honoring contracts isinvalid because the Giants didn't break any contract. And the playerssign these contracts knowing that is the way NFL contracts work. I assumed your degree would help you understand that point....but, what can you do?</P>


"Tough guy"??? Really? Why is it no one can state their differences of opinions without being accused of being upset or acting like a tough guy? </P>


Nothing wrong with Osi wanting more money.......everybody wants more money......the problem is him whining about it in the press because he has ZERO leverage in this situation.</P>


</P>




Shaun O'hara didn't want to renegotiate the terms of his contract and that's why he was let go, but alas, you clearly don't understand the term "hypocritical" so ill just leave it at that.

So wait a second, how does is Osi breaking any rules in his contract? and how would my degree in Business Administration teach me about contracts in the NFL? huh?

and no, me and Ronakefan (sp) were having a debate. All you do is provoke people then act like a little girl when they say something back. Its real easy to be big shot on the internet champ.

anyways, Osi is still playing and has never done anything to break his contract? and people are acting like Jerry Reese has NOT gone public with anything lol. Wow. Wouldn't what Jerry Reese said to the press "whining" too? or wait, Osi started it. In that case, its fine.




lol.....I guess that continuing to point out that Reese still hasn't broken any contracts is pointless now...or the fact that Reese was trying to SAVE O'Hara from being cut by asking him to restructure means anything to you. The Osi groupies have spoken</P>


We all know what hypocritical means, you just haven't used it properly.</P>


The reason you don't like my posts is not because I act like a little girl.....it's that I act like a little girl and still make you look stupid.</P>


Reese hasn't whined at all. he was asked about Osi and answered it with a dignified response.</P>




and, um. wow.

What contract has Osi broken genius? I don't even think you know exactly what you are talking about. You certainly like to talk a big game but you clearly understand far less then you think.

Im just happy our GM recognized Osi's value and restructured his contract. I wonder what our team would look like if we had brilliant minds like your own running the show.

Coughlin = Fired

Gilbride = Fired

Eli = traded

lastly, I never said I didn't like your posts? but I must confess, you do act like a little girl. I'm glad you didn't contradict that point at all. Must make sense in your head.


</P>


And I STILL haven't said Osi broke any contracts. You hammered Reese for "not honoring contracts" and I pointed out where you were wrong, nothing more. I called you a hypocrit because you said it was ok for Osi to break his because he deserves more money.</P>


This new deal is nothing but a bump in his final year so he will shut up and play. Osi will NOT be a Giants after this.</P>

Diamondring
06-01-2012, 05:32 PM
Does anyone else find it*hypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</p>


*</p>




I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts.* When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have.* I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy.* One has nothing to do with the other.* <font size="5">In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</font>.*


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions.* That is what versatility means.* It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora.* Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.*


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team.* A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example.* A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else.* Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end.** When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB.* Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback."* He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.*


OK. you avoided everything I said. Pass rushers are always more valuable then a run stuffing LB who is a average pass rusher.

Jerry Reece's philosophy, as was Accrosi's was "You can never have enough Pass Rushers" not "You can never have enough 2-down LBs"

Our success for the past two super bowls has been predicated on our ability to get to the quarterback, Osi clearly does it the best on our team.

lastly, In terms of positional value, (After QB's), LT's, rush LB's, and RE's in this league are the most valued positions in this league. The value has, if anything, increased since Osi signed his contract and he wants a raise. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just earned a Degree in Business Administration, if I see that my peers are getting more money because of there new found value then you bet I would fight for it as well. You can't condemn these individuals for wanting wait there value dictates. Its as simple as that.

I guess you didn't hear the FO release Shaun O'Hara and Rich Suebert when they were UNDER CONTRACT. I guess its fine when the FO makes moves that is in the best interest of themselves.

Hypocritical much?
</p>


lol....I love this arguement.....When the Giants released SO and RS they were acting within the confines of the contract.* A contract SO and RS willingly signed.* Same with Osi.....he willingly signed a front loaded deal knowing full well that the last years of his contract were for less money.* One year Osi did not play a down and still got paid as per the contract.....the following year, during his recovery, he*was medicocre and still got paid as per the contract.* The Giants did not break any contracts, it's ok that Osi wants to?</p>


So, what does your degree say about that?</p>




My degree defnietly didn't teach me reading comprehension, but that comes naturally for some, and not for others.

I was using my degree in reference for an individuals value/worth to his organization, nothing more. So relax there tough guy.

I find this really interesting, so what you're saying is the FO can dump players/salaries in there best interest and not worry? both of these players were under contract? why didn't the FO honor that?

Also you are acting like its rare for a player to renegotiate contracts, especially when the player is one of the best pass rushers in the league. Osi simply asking for market value, nothing else. I really don't see why this is unreasonable. Perhaps you can enlighten us?



</p>


lol....perhaps if you took a reading comprehension class your problem would then be solved?* </p>


The contracts state that the Giants*were within their rights to do just that!!* This arguement about not honoring contracts is*invalid because the Giants didn't break any contract.* And the players*sign these contracts knowing that is the way NFL contracts work.* I assumed your degree would help you understand that point....but, what can you do?</p>


"Tough guy"???* Really?* Why is it no one can state their differences of opinions without being accused of being upset or acting like a tough guy?* </p>


Nothing wrong with Osi wanting more money.......everybody wants more money......the problem is him whining about it in the press because he has ZERO leverage in this situation.</p>


*</p>




Shaun O'hara didn't want to renegotiate the terms of his contract and that's why he was let go, but alas, you clearly don't understand the term "hypocritical" so ill just leave it at that.

So wait a second, how does is Osi breaking any rules in his contract? and how would my degree in Business Administration teach me about contracts in the NFL? huh?

and no, me and Ronakefan (sp) were having a debate. All you do is provoke people then act like a little girl when they say something back. Its real easy to be big shot on the internet champ.

anyways, Osi is still playing and has never done anything to break his contract? and people are acting like Jerry Reese has NOT gone public with anything lol. Wow. Wouldn't what Jerry Reese said to the press "whining" too? or wait, Osi started it. In that case, its fine.




lol.....I guess that continuing to point out that Reese still hasn't broken any contracts is pointless now...or the fact that Reese was trying to SAVE O'Hara from being cut by asking him to restructure means anything to you.* The Osi groupies have spoken</p>


We all know what hypocritical means, you just haven't used it properly.</p>


The reason you don't like my posts is not because I act like a little girl.....it's that I act like a little girl and still make you look stupid.</p>


Reese hasn't whined at all.* he was asked about Osi and answered it with a dignified response.</p>

and, um. wow.

What contract has Osi broken genius? I don't even think you know exactly what you are talking about. You certainly like to talk a big game but you clearly understand far less then you think.

Im just happy our GM recognized Osi's value and restructured his contract. I wonder what our team would look like if we had brilliant minds like your own running the show.

Coughlin = Fired

Gilbride = Fired

Eli = traded

lastly, I never said I didn't like your posts? but I must confess, you do act like a little girl. I'm glad you didn't contradict that point at all. Must make sense in your head.


Giants broke no contracts with Osi.

RoanokeFan
06-01-2012, 05:34 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</p>


</p>

I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <font size="5">In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</font>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions. That is what versatility means. It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora. Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team. A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example. A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else. Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end. When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB. Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback." He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.


OK. you avoided everything I said. Pass rushers are always more valuable then a run stuffing LB who is a average pass rusher.

Jerry Reece's philosophy, as was Accrosi's was "You can never have enough Pass Rushers" not "You can never have enough 2-down LBs"

Our success for the past two super bowls has been predicated on our ability to get to the quarterback, Osi clearly does it the best on our team.

lastly, In terms of positional value, (After QB's), LT's, rush LB's, and RE's in this league are the most valued positions in this league. The value has, if anything, increased since Osi signed his contract and he wants a raise. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just earned a Degree in Business Administration, if I see that my peers are getting more money because of there new found value then you bet I would fight for it as well. You can't condemn these individuals for wanting wait there value dictates. Its as simple as that.

I guess you didn't hear the FO release Shaun O'Hara and Rich Suebert when they were UNDER CONTRACT. I guess its fine when the FO makes moves that is in the best interest of themselves.

Hypocritical much?


Answer this, did releasing O'Hara and Seubert violate the terms of their contracts? Did they sign with another team? It is fine when either side takes an action IN ACCORDANCE with the agreements both have signed. Releasing them, Smith, Cofield, and Boss made the team better. THAT is Reese's job.

Here's the issue, for me. Fight for every penny. Do it within it the confines of any existing legal agreement(s) an d do it privately. Simple.

Here's how theses boards work. Everyone has an opinion. Just because I don't agree with your position doesn't make me right. But it is how it works.


O'hara was let go because he didn't want to regotiate his contract, similar to Jacobs. Even if the Giant's wrote that into the contract are they not being hypocrites in the Osi situation?

That's where I get annoyed. The players do whats best for them, and so does management. However, on these boards, its all about how the players are greedy and how the FO doesn't slight anyone.

I guess we can agree to disagree though. Thank's for being classy in your posts btw, despite our disagreements.


If I may, we really aren't at odds over the "facts." I took exception to Osi's public airing of dirty laundry, not his quest for more money. In my mind, Osi did himself a disservice by emailing news outlets which, for the most part, backfired.

Now it's done, the GIANTS were true to their word that they wanted him to stay. Now we have posted saying they "caved in" which, again, I don't get. Reese has always said publicly he wanted Osi to retire here. That may or may not happen, but the restructuring is in line with the stated goal.

CGYgiant
06-01-2012, 05:35 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</p>


</p>




I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <font size="5">In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</font>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions. That is what versatility means. It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora. Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team. A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example. A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else. Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end. When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB. Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback." He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.


OK. you avoided everything I said. Pass rushers are always more valuable then a run stuffing LB who is a average pass rusher.

Jerry Reece's philosophy, as was Accrosi's was "You can never have enough Pass Rushers" not "You can never have enough 2-down LBs"

Our success for the past two super bowls has been predicated on our ability to get to the quarterback, Osi clearly does it the best on our team.

lastly, In terms of positional value, (After QB's), LT's, rush LB's, and RE's in this league are the most valued positions in this league. The value has, if anything, increased since Osi signed his contract and he wants a raise. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just earned a Degree in Business Administration, if I see that my peers are getting more money because of there new found value then you bet I would fight for it as well. You can't condemn these individuals for wanting wait there value dictates. Its as simple as that.

I guess you didn't hear the FO release Shaun O'Hara and Rich Suebert when they were UNDER CONTRACT. I guess its fine when the FO makes moves that is in the best interest of themselves.

Hypocritical much?
</p>


lol....I love this arguement.....When the Giants released SO and RS they were acting within the confines of the contract. A contract SO and RS willingly signed. Same with Osi.....he willingly signed a front loaded deal knowing full well that the last years of his contract were for less money. One year Osi did not play a down and still got paid as per the contract.....the following year, during his recovery, hewas medicocre and still got paid as per the contract. The Giants did not break any contracts, it's ok that Osi wants to?</p>


So, what does your degree say about that?</p>




My degree defnietly didn't teach me reading comprehension, but that comes naturally for some, and not for others.

I was using my degree in reference for an individuals value/worth to his organization, nothing more. So relax there tough guy.

I find this really interesting, so what you're saying is the FO can dump players/salaries in there best interest and not worry? both of these players were under contract? why didn't the FO honor that?

Also you are acting like its rare for a player to renegotiate contracts, especially when the player is one of the best pass rushers in the league. Osi simply asking for market value, nothing else. I really don't see why this is unreasonable. Perhaps you can enlighten us?



</p>


lol....perhaps if you took a reading comprehension class your problem would then be solved? </p>


The contracts state that the Giantswere within their rights to do just that!! This arguement about not honoring contracts isinvalid because the Giants didn't break any contract. And the playerssign these contracts knowing that is the way NFL contracts work. I assumed your degree would help you understand that point....but, what can you do?</p>


"Tough guy"??? Really? Why is it no one can state their differences of opinions without being accused of being upset or acting like a tough guy? </p>


Nothing wrong with Osi wanting more money.......everybody wants more money......the problem is him whining about it in the press because he has ZERO leverage in this situation.</p>


</p>




Shaun O'hara didn't want to renegotiate the terms of his contract and that's why he was let go, but alas, you clearly don't understand the term "hypocritical" so ill just leave it at that.

So wait a second, how does is Osi breaking any rules in his contract? and how would my degree in Business Administration teach me about contracts in the NFL? huh?

and no, me and Ronakefan (sp) were having a debate. All you do is provoke people then act like a little girl when they say something back. Its real easy to be big shot on the internet champ.

anyways, Osi is still playing and has never done anything to break his contract? and people are acting like Jerry Reese has NOT gone public with anything lol. Wow. Wouldn't what Jerry Reese said to the press "whining" too? or wait, Osi started it. In that case, its fine.




lol.....I guess that continuing to point out that Reese still hasn't broken any contracts is pointless now...or the fact that Reese was trying to SAVE O'Hara from being cut by asking him to restructure means anything to you. The Osi groupies have spoken</p>


We all know what hypocritical means, you just haven't used it properly.</p>


The reason you don't like my posts is not because I act like a little girl.....it's that I act like a little girl and still make you look stupid.</p>


Reese hasn't whined at all. he was asked about Osi and answered it with a dignified response.</p>




and, um. wow.

What contract has Osi broken genius? I don't even think you know exactly what you are talking about. You certainly like to talk a big game but you clearly understand far less then you think.

Im just happy our GM recognized Osi's value and restructured his contract. I wonder what our team would look like if we had brilliant minds like your own running the show.

Coughlin = Fired

Gilbride = Fired

Eli = traded

lastly, I never said I didn't like your posts? but I must confess, you do act like a little girl. I'm glad you didn't contradict that point at all. Must make sense in your head.


</p>


And I STILL haven't said Osi broke any contracts. You hammered Reese for "not honoring contracts" and I pointed out where you were wrong, nothing more. I called you a hypocrit because you said it was ok for Osi to break his because he deserves more money.</p>


This new deal is nothing but a bump in his final year so he will shut up and play. Osi will NOT be a Giants after this.</p>

If a guy gets paid to play, hypothetically, 5 years at 10 million dollars, but he gets cut in his forth year. How is that honoring the contract? I dont know what O'Hara's numbers were but if that is honoring a contract then what Osi is doing/did is fine and he doesn't "want" to break his contract like you said. He just wants it restructured.

And also when has Osi not "shut up and played" the guys brings his A-game, every game. Guys like Justin Tuck, not so much.

CGYgiant
06-01-2012, 05:38 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</p>


</p>

I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <font size="5">In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</font>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions. That is what versatility means. It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora. Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team. A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example. A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else. Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end. When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB. Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback." He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.


OK. you avoided everything I said. Pass rushers are always more valuable then a run stuffing LB who is a average pass rusher.

Jerry Reece's philosophy, as was Accrosi's was "You can never have enough Pass Rushers" not "You can never have enough 2-down LBs"

Our success for the past two super bowls has been predicated on our ability to get to the quarterback, Osi clearly does it the best on our team.

lastly, In terms of positional value, (After QB's), LT's, rush LB's, and RE's in this league are the most valued positions in this league. The value has, if anything, increased since Osi signed his contract and he wants a raise. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just earned a Degree in Business Administration, if I see that my peers are getting more money because of there new found value then you bet I would fight for it as well. You can't condemn these individuals for wanting wait there value dictates. Its as simple as that.

I guess you didn't hear the FO release Shaun O'Hara and Rich Suebert when they were UNDER CONTRACT. I guess its fine when the FO makes moves that is in the best interest of themselves.

Hypocritical much?


Answer this, did releasing O'Hara and Seubert violate the terms of their contracts? Did they sign with another team? It is fine when either side takes an action IN ACCORDANCE with the agreements both have signed. Releasing them, Smith, Cofield, and Boss made the team better. THAT is Reese's job.

Here's the issue, for me. Fight for every penny. Do it within it the confines of any existing legal agreement(s) an d do it privately. Simple.

Here's how theses boards work. Everyone has an opinion. Just because I don't agree with your position doesn't make me right. But it is how it works.


O'hara was let go because he didn't want to regotiate his contract, similar to Jacobs. Even if the Giant's wrote that into the contract are they not being hypocrites in the Osi situation?

That's where I get annoyed. The players do whats best for them, and so does management. However, on these boards, its all about how the players are greedy and how the FO doesn't slight anyone.

I guess we can agree to disagree though. Thank's for being classy in your posts btw, despite our disagreements.


If I may, we really aren't at odds over the "facts." I took exception to Osi's public airing of dirty laundry, not his quest for more money. In my mind, Osi did himself a disservice by emailing news outlets which, for the most part, backfired.

Now it's done, the GIANTS were true to their word that they wanted him to stay. Now we have posted saying they "caved in" which, again, I don't get. Reese has always said publicly he wanted Osi to retire here. That may or may not happen, but the restructuring is in line with the stated goal.


I totally agree and Im just glad its done with. We we are going to repeat we need out DL at full strength.

Harooni
06-01-2012, 05:46 PM
</p>
If a guy gets paid to play, hypothetically, 5 years at 10 million dollars, but he gets cut in his forth year. How is that honoring the contract? I dont know what O'Hara's numbers were but if that is honoring a contract then what Osi is doing/did is fine and he doesn't "want" to break his contract like you said. He just wants it restructured.

And also when has Osi not "shut up and played" the guys brings his A-game, every game. Guys like Justin Tuck, not so much.

the team is honoring the contract with the guaranteed portion. if that figure is not enough in your opinion as a player you do not sign it.

greenca190
06-01-2012, 05:48 PM
There FBomb goes again...

ShakeNBake
06-01-2012, 05:53 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</p>


</p>




I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <font size="5">In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</font>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions. That is what versatility means. It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora. Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team. A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example. A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else. Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end. When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB. Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback." He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.


OK. you avoided everything I said. Pass rushers are always more valuable then a run stuffing LB who is a average pass rusher.

Jerry Reece's philosophy, as was Accrosi's was "You can never have enough Pass Rushers" not "You can never have enough 2-down LBs"

Our success for the past two super bowls has been predicated on our ability to get to the quarterback, Osi clearly does it the best on our team.

lastly, In terms of positional value, (After QB's), LT's, rush LB's, and RE's in this league are the most valued positions in this league. The value has, if anything, increased since Osi signed his contract and he wants a raise. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just earned a Degree in Business Administration, if I see that my peers are getting more money because of there new found value then you bet I would fight for it as well. You can't condemn these individuals for wanting wait there value dictates. Its as simple as that.

I guess you didn't hear the FO release Shaun O'Hara and Rich Suebert when they were UNDER CONTRACT. I guess its fine when the FO makes moves that is in the best interest of themselves.

Hypocritical much?
</p>


lol....I love this arguement.....When the Giants released SO and RS they were acting within the confines of the contract. A contract SO and RS willingly signed. Same with Osi.....he willingly signed a front loaded deal knowing full well that the last years of his contract were for less money. One year Osi did not play a down and still got paid as per the contract.....the following year, during his recovery, hewas medicocre and still got paid as per the contract. The Giants did not break any contracts, it's ok that Osi wants to?</p>


So, what does your degree say about that?</p>




My degree defnietly didn't teach me reading comprehension, but that comes naturally for some, and not for others.

I was using my degree in reference for an individuals value/worth to his organization, nothing more. So relax there tough guy.

I find this really interesting, so what you're saying is the FO can dump players/salaries in there best interest and not worry? both of these players were under contract? why didn't the FO honor that?

Also you are acting like its rare for a player to renegotiate contracts, especially when the player is one of the best pass rushers in the league. Osi simply asking for market value, nothing else. I really don't see why this is unreasonable. Perhaps you can enlighten us?



</p>


lol....perhaps if you took a reading comprehension class your problem would then be solved? </p>


The contracts state that the Giantswere within their rights to do just that!! This arguement about not honoring contracts isinvalid because the Giants didn't break any contract. And the playerssign these contracts knowing that is the way NFL contracts work. I assumed your degree would help you understand that point....but, what can you do?</p>


"Tough guy"??? Really? Why is it no one can state their differences of opinions without being accused of being upset or acting like a tough guy? </p>


Nothing wrong with Osi wanting more money.......everybody wants more money......the problem is him whining about it in the press because he has ZERO leverage in this situation.</p>


</p>




Shaun O'hara didn't want to renegotiate the terms of his contract and that's why he was let go, but alas, you clearly don't understand the term "hypocritical" so ill just leave it at that.

So wait a second, how does is Osi breaking any rules in his contract? and how would my degree in Business Administration teach me about contracts in the NFL? huh?

and no, me and Ronakefan (sp) were having a debate. All you do is provoke people then act like a little girl when they say something back. Its real easy to be big shot on the internet champ.

anyways, Osi is still playing and has never done anything to break his contract? and people are acting like Jerry Reese has NOT gone public with anything lol. Wow. Wouldn't what Jerry Reese said to the press "whining" too? or wait, Osi started it. In that case, its fine.




lol.....I guess that continuing to point out that Reese still hasn't broken any contracts is pointless now...or the fact that Reese was trying to SAVE O'Hara from being cut by asking him to restructure means anything to you. The Osi groupies have spoken</p>


We all know what hypocritical means, you just haven't used it properly.</p>


The reason you don't like my posts is not because I act like a little girl.....it's that I act like a little girl and still make you look stupid.</p>


Reese hasn't whined at all. he was asked about Osi and answered it with a dignified response.</p>




and, um. wow.

What contract has Osi broken genius? I don't even think you know exactly what you are talking about. You certainly like to talk a big game but you clearly understand far less then you think.

Im just happy our GM recognized Osi's value and restructured his contract. I wonder what our team would look like if we had brilliant minds like your own running the show.

Coughlin = Fired

Gilbride = Fired

Eli = traded

lastly, I never said I didn't like your posts? but I must confess, you do act like a little girl. I'm glad you didn't contradict that point at all. Must make sense in your head.


</p>


And I STILL haven't said Osi broke any contracts. You hammered Reese for "not honoring contracts" and I pointed out where you were wrong, nothing more. I called you a hypocrit because you said it was ok for Osi to break his because he deserves more money.</p>


This new deal is nothing but a bump in his final year so he will shut up and play. Osi will NOT be a Giants after this.</p>

If a guy gets paid to play, hypothetically, 5 years at 10 million dollars, but he gets cut in his forth year. How is that honoring the contract? I dont know what O'Hara's numbers were but if that is honoring a contract then what Osi is doing/did is fine and he doesn't "want" to break his contract like you said. He just wants it restructured.

And also when has Osi not "shut up and played" the guys brings his A-game, every game. Guys like Justin Tuck, not so much.


Were you asleep last year?

RoanokeFan
06-01-2012, 05:54 PM
There FBomb goes again...

Where did he go? Who has the Fbomb watch?

CGYgiant
06-01-2012, 06:14 PM
Does anyone else find it*hypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</p>


*</p>




I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts.* When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have.* I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy.* One has nothing to do with the other.* <font size="5">In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</font>.*


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions.* That is what versatility means.* It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora.* Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.*


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team.* A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example.* A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else.* Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end.** When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB.* Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback."* He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.*


OK. you avoided everything I said. Pass rushers are always more valuable then a run stuffing LB who is a average pass rusher.

Jerry Reece's philosophy, as was Accrosi's was "You can never have enough Pass Rushers" not "You can never have enough 2-down LBs"

Our success for the past two super bowls has been predicated on our ability to get to the quarterback, Osi clearly does it the best on our team.

lastly, In terms of positional value, (After QB's), LT's, rush LB's, and RE's in this league are the most valued positions in this league. The value has, if anything, increased since Osi signed his contract and he wants a raise. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just earned a Degree in Business Administration, if I see that my peers are getting more money because of there new found value then you bet I would fight for it as well. You can't condemn these individuals for wanting wait there value dictates. Its as simple as that.

I guess you didn't hear the FO release Shaun O'Hara and Rich Suebert when they were UNDER CONTRACT. I guess its fine when the FO makes moves that is in the best interest of themselves.

Hypocritical much?
</p>


lol....I love this arguement.....When the Giants released SO and RS they were acting within the confines of the contract.* A contract SO and RS willingly signed.* Same with Osi.....he willingly signed a front loaded deal knowing full well that the last years of his contract were for less money.* One year Osi did not play a down and still got paid as per the contract.....the following year, during his recovery, he*was medicocre and still got paid as per the contract.* The Giants did not break any contracts, it's ok that Osi wants to?</p>


So, what does your degree say about that?</p>




My degree defnietly didn't teach me reading comprehension, but that comes naturally for some, and not for others.

I was using my degree in reference for an individuals value/worth to his organization, nothing more. So relax there tough guy.

I find this really interesting, so what you're saying is the FO can dump players/salaries in there best interest and not worry? both of these players were under contract? why didn't the FO honor that?

Also you are acting like its rare for a player to renegotiate contracts, especially when the player is one of the best pass rushers in the league. Osi simply asking for market value, nothing else. I really don't see why this is unreasonable. Perhaps you can enlighten us?



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lol....perhaps if you took a reading comprehension class your problem would then be solved?* </p>


The contracts state that the Giants*were within their rights to do just that!!* This arguement about not honoring contracts is*invalid because the Giants didn't break any contract.* And the players*sign these contracts knowing that is the way NFL contracts work.* I assumed your degree would help you understand that point....but, what can you do?</p>


"Tough guy"???* Really?* Why is it no one can state their differences of opinions without being accused of being upset or acting like a tough guy?* </p>


Nothing wrong with Osi wanting more money.......everybody wants more money......the problem is him whining about it in the press because he has ZERO leverage in this situation.</p>


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Shaun O'hara didn't want to renegotiate the terms of his contract and that's why he was let go, but alas, you clearly don't understand the term "hypocritical" so ill just leave it at that.

So wait a second, how does is Osi breaking any rules in his contract? and how would my degree in Business Administration teach me about contracts in the NFL? huh?

and no, me and Ronakefan (sp) were having a debate. All you do is provoke people then act like a little girl when they say something back. Its real easy to be big shot on the internet champ.

anyways, Osi is still playing and has never done anything to break his contract? and people are acting like Jerry Reese has NOT gone public with anything lol. Wow. Wouldn't what Jerry Reese said to the press "whining" too? or wait, Osi started it. In that case, its fine.




lol.....I guess that continuing to point out that Reese still hasn't broken any contracts is pointless now...or the fact that Reese was trying to SAVE O'Hara from being cut by asking him to restructure means anything to you.* The Osi groupies have spoken</p>


We all know what hypocritical means, you just haven't used it properly.</p>


The reason you don't like my posts is not because I act like a little girl.....it's that I act like a little girl and still make you look stupid.</p>


Reese hasn't whined at all.* he was asked about Osi and answered it with a dignified response.</p>




and, um. wow.

What contract has Osi broken genius? I don't even think you know exactly what you are talking about. You certainly like to talk a big game but you clearly understand far less then you think.

Im just happy our GM recognized Osi's value and restructured his contract. I wonder what our team would look like if we had brilliant minds like your own running the show.

Coughlin = Fired

Gilbride = Fired

Eli = traded

lastly, I never said I didn't like your posts? but I must confess, you do act like a little girl. I'm glad you didn't contradict that point at all. Must make sense in your head.


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And I STILL haven't said Osi broke any contracts.* You hammered Reese for "not honoring contracts" and I pointed out where you were wrong, nothing more.* I called you a hypocrit because you said it was ok for Osi to break his because he deserves more money.</p>


This new deal is nothing but a bump in his final year so he will shut up and play.* Osi will NOT be a Giants after this.</p>

If a guy gets paid to play, hypothetically, 5 years at 10 million dollars, but he gets cut in his forth year. How is that honoring the contract? I dont know what O'Hara's numbers were but if that is honoring a contract then what Osi is doing/did is fine and he doesn't "want" to break his contract like you said. He just wants it restructured.

And also when has Osi not "shut up and played" the guys brings his A-game, every game. Guys like Justin Tuck, not so much.


Were you asleep last year?


Um no, were u? Wht I did see Osi shut up and become the 3rd most productive pass rusher in the league on a per snap basis? He was not a problem at all during the season.

ShakeNBake
06-01-2012, 06:22 PM
Does anyone else find ithypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</p>


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I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts. When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have. I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy. One has nothing to do with the other. <font size="5">In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</font>.


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions. That is what versatility means. It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora. Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team. A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example. A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else. Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end. When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB. Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback." He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.


OK. you avoided everything I said. Pass rushers are always more valuable then a run stuffing LB who is a average pass rusher.

Jerry Reece's philosophy, as was Accrosi's was "You can never have enough Pass Rushers" not "You can never have enough 2-down LBs"

Our success for the past two super bowls has been predicated on our ability to get to the quarterback, Osi clearly does it the best on our team.

lastly, In terms of positional value, (After QB's), LT's, rush LB's, and RE's in this league are the most valued positions in this league. The value has, if anything, increased since Osi signed his contract and he wants a raise. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just earned a Degree in Business Administration, if I see that my peers are getting more money because of there new found value then you bet I would fight for it as well. You can't condemn these individuals for wanting wait there value dictates. Its as simple as that.

I guess you didn't hear the FO release Shaun O'Hara and Rich Suebert when they were UNDER CONTRACT. I guess its fine when the FO makes moves that is in the best interest of themselves.

Hypocritical much?
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lol....I love this arguement.....When the Giants released SO and RS they were acting within the confines of the contract. A contract SO and RS willingly signed. Same with Osi.....he willingly signed a front loaded deal knowing full well that the last years of his contract were for less money. One year Osi did not play a down and still got paid as per the contract.....the following year, during his recovery, hewas medicocre and still got paid as per the contract. The Giants did not break any contracts, it's ok that Osi wants to?</p>


So, what does your degree say about that?</p>




My degree defnietly didn't teach me reading comprehension, but that comes naturally for some, and not for others.

I was using my degree in reference for an individuals value/worth to his organization, nothing more. So relax there tough guy.

I find this really interesting, so what you're saying is the FO can dump players/salaries in there best interest and not worry? both of these players were under contract? why didn't the FO honor that?

Also you are acting like its rare for a player to renegotiate contracts, especially when the player is one of the best pass rushers in the league. Osi simply asking for market value, nothing else. I really don't see why this is unreasonable. Perhaps you can enlighten us?



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lol....perhaps if you took a reading comprehension class your problem would then be solved? </p>


The contracts state that the Giantswere within their rights to do just that!! This arguement about not honoring contracts isinvalid because the Giants didn't break any contract. And the playerssign these contracts knowing that is the way NFL contracts work. I assumed your degree would help you understand that point....but, what can you do?</p>


"Tough guy"??? Really? Why is it no one can state their differences of opinions without being accused of being upset or acting like a tough guy? </p>


Nothing wrong with Osi wanting more money.......everybody wants more money......the problem is him whining about it in the press because he has ZERO leverage in this situation.</p>


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Shaun O'hara didn't want to renegotiate the terms of his contract and that's why he was let go, but alas, you clearly don't understand the term "hypocritical" so ill just leave it at that.

So wait a second, how does is Osi breaking any rules in his contract? and how would my degree in Business Administration teach me about contracts in the NFL? huh?

and no, me and Ronakefan (sp) were having a debate. All you do is provoke people then act like a little girl when they say something back. Its real easy to be big shot on the internet champ.

anyways, Osi is still playing and has never done anything to break his contract? and people are acting like Jerry Reese has NOT gone public with anything lol. Wow. Wouldn't what Jerry Reese said to the press "whining" too? or wait, Osi started it. In that case, its fine.




lol.....I guess that continuing to point out that Reese still hasn't broken any contracts is pointless now...or the fact that Reese was trying to SAVE O'Hara from being cut by asking him to restructure means anything to you. The Osi groupies have spoken</p>


We all know what hypocritical means, you just haven't used it properly.</p>


The reason you don't like my posts is not because I act like a little girl.....it's that I act like a little girl and still make you look stupid.</p>


Reese hasn't whined at all. he was asked about Osi and answered it with a dignified response.</p>




and, um. wow.

What contract has Osi broken genius? I don't even think you know exactly what you are talking about. You certainly like to talk a big game but you clearly understand far less then you think.

Im just happy our GM recognized Osi's value and restructured his contract. I wonder what our team would look like if we had brilliant minds like your own running the show.

Coughlin = Fired

Gilbride = Fired

Eli = traded

lastly, I never said I didn't like your posts? but I must confess, you do act like a little girl. I'm glad you didn't contradict that point at all. Must make sense in your head.


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And I STILL haven't said Osi broke any contracts. You hammered Reese for "not honoring contracts" and I pointed out where you were wrong, nothing more. I called you a hypocrit because you said it was ok for Osi to break his because he deserves more money.</p>


This new deal is nothing but a bump in his final year so he will shut up and play. Osi will NOT be a Giants after this.</p>

If a guy gets paid to play, hypothetically, 5 years at 10 million dollars, but he gets cut in his forth year. How is that honoring the contract? I dont know what O'Hara's numbers were but if that is honoring a contract then what Osi is doing/did is fine and he doesn't "want" to break his contract like you said. He just wants it restructured.

And also when has Osi not "shut up and played" the guys brings his A-game, every game. Guys like Justin Tuck, not so much.


Were you asleep last year?


Um no, were u? Wht I did see Osi shut up and become the 3rd most productive pass rusher in the league on a per snap basis? He was not a problem at all during the season.

I guess getting a knee surgery after he was cleared by the Giants medical staff as being healthy was shutting up and playing, and had nothing to do with contract disputes

lawl
06-01-2012, 10:06 PM
Does anyone else find it*hypocritical that some people think it's better that other gifted players GIVE UP money they are owed, rather than Osi playing for what his contract says?</P>


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I think it's more just frustration on some posters' parts.* When we ask "where will the money come from" it's about the only retort they have.* I am amazed at how little we, the fans and the media, really know about what the GAINTS offered Osi yet many are quick to blame the GIANTS for being "unfair."

The other pitfall is using Kiwanuka's contract as some sort of "see, they can if they want to" strategy.* One has nothing to do with the other.* <FONT size=5>In Kiwanuka's case, he's more versatile than Osi being able to play DE or LB</FONT>.*


Kiwi is just an adequate pass rusher, Osi was the third best pass rusher/rush attempt in the entire national football league. Source: http://bloggingthebeast.com/2012/05/21/5-nfc-east-pass-rushers-finished-in-the-top-10-in-snaps-per-sack-in-2011/

Again, pass-rushers are a PREMIUM in this league.

I get that some people don't like Osi on these boards. But just because Kiwi can play LB does NOT make him more valuable to this team then Osi. Not even close.

I can't wait until I hear the fan reaction for when Tuck/Pierre-Paul want their new deals. Despite the fact that both aren't as good as Osi in terms of pass rushing.




Kiwanuka can, and does, play two positions.* That is what versatility means.* It doesn't mean Kiwanuka is "better" than Umenyiora.* Liking players has nothing to do with the argument.

I'm going to guess when Tuck and JPP are given new deals, we won't know anything about it before it happens.


Sintim can play DE and LB as well? I dont understand your logic. Versaility has nothing to do with value, Osi plays DE better then Kiwi plays DE/LB combined. I agree liking players does have nothing to do with the argument yet you clearly base your opinions on your dislike for Osi.

And of course, we may not here from Tuck or JPP - If they are given great deals that are on par with their value. I hope you're not assuming that players dont like making money. JPP and Tuck should/will fight for their value.

The Giants FO gave Canty a 6yr/42million dollar deal which was completely unjustifiable.

I don't get how its OK to vilify a player and not the organization and vice virsa. In this case, Osi simply worth more then he is getting paid (as Ive said in the past, pass rushers are an absolute premium in this league) they should just pay the man.*


In Tom Coughlin's world, versatility can make or break a player's chances of making the team.* A so-so wide receiver who is a killer gunner on special teams would be an example.* A player who can effectively play two positions on defense is a value added player in terms of rotation, if nothing else.* Two years ago, Pascoe was a decent tight end.** When Madison Hedgecok went down we didn't have a replacement for him at FB.* Some coach looked around, grabbed TE Pascoe and said "welcome to Fullback."* He played well enough that season that his stock rose.

Osi is UNDER CONTRACT and is being paid according to the terms HE agreed to.*


OK. you avoided everything I said. Pass rushers are always more valuable then a run stuffing LB who is a average pass rusher.

Jerry Reece's philosophy, as was Accrosi's was "You can never have enough Pass Rushers" not "You can never have enough 2-down LBs"

Our success for the past two super bowls has been predicated on our ability to get to the quarterback, Osi clearly does it the best on our team.

lastly, In terms of positional value, (After QB's), LT's, rush LB's, and RE's in this league are the most valued positions in this league. The value has, if anything, increased since Osi signed his contract and he wants a raise. There's nothing wrong with that.

I just earned a Degree in Business Administration, if I see that my peers are getting more money because of there new found value then you bet I would fight for it as well. You can't condemn these individuals for wanting wait there value dictates. Its as simple as that.

I guess you didn't hear the FO release Shaun O'Hara and Rich Suebert when they were UNDER CONTRACT. I guess its fine when the FO makes moves that is in the best interest of themselves.

Hypocritical much?
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lol....I love this arguement.....When the Giants released SO and RS they were acting within the confines of the contract.* A contract SO and RS willingly signed.* Same with Osi.....he willingly signed a front loaded deal knowing full well that the last years of his contract were for less money.* One year Osi did not play a down and still got paid as per the contract.....the following year, during his recovery, he*was medicocre and still got paid as per the contract.* The Giants did not break any contracts, it's ok that Osi wants to?</P>


So, what does your degree say about that?</P>

There'snothing in osi's contract that says he can't ask for more money