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RoanokeFan
05-31-2012, 12:44 PM
ELI MANNING SEES ROOM FOR IMPROVEMENT IN GIANTS, NOT SO SUPED UP ABOUT 9 - 7 RECORD LAST REGULAR SEASON (http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/giants/eli-manning-sees-giant-room-improvement-suped-9-7-record-regular-season-article-1.1087118)

"Eli Manning has not let one magical playoff month camouflage what the Giants
really were over four months of the regular season last year. They were a team
that barely finished over .500 and took advantage of the weakest year in the
history of the NFC East.


The Giants have spent the offseason being toasted by New York. The Super Bowl
champs will hear once again how great they are when they visit the White House
on June 8 and meet President Obama.</p>


But Manning sets the agenda, and with training camp two months away, hes not
talking about repeating or dynasties. His message sounds an awful lot like the
old Bill Parcells saying: You are what you record says you are.</p>


We got to have the mind-set that we were a 9-7 team last year, not a Super
Bowl-winning team, he told the Daily News on Wednesday.</p>


Will that be a hard position to sell in the locker room?</p>


Its not hard to sell it to me, he said. You look at the film, you kind of
take the big picture out of it and you look at the small picture, you look at
individual plays, concepts of plays watching on film we got to get
better.</p>


So, even before the Cowboys and Eagles can say they finished just one game
behind the Giants, and the Redskins can say they beat the Giants twice, and even
the Jets can rationalize it might have been them making that Super Bowl run if
they had beaten the Giants in that nasty showdown in the next-to-last game of
the season, Manning issued a preemptive strike. The Giants were not a great team
last season, they just played great at the right time.</p>


The Giants were 6-2, lost four in a row to the 49ers, Eagles, Saints and
Packers, then beat the Cowboys twice in the last four games of the season to
become the first team to win the NFC East at 9-7. They then beat the Falcons,
Packers and 49ers in the playoffs and the Patriots in Super Bowl XLVI to become
the first team to win the Super Bowl at 9-7.</p>


Manning is focusing on the 9-7 record, not the Super Bowl title. Its a good
way of looking at it, Justin Tuck said.</p>


Does he look at it the same way?</p>


Not exactly, Tuck said. I do understand we left a lot of football games
out on the table that we should have won. Even though we won the Super Bowl, I
feel as though we may have room to be a better football team this year.</p>


The Giants have a shaky history in the season after their first three Super
Bowl titles, the first two times not making the playoffs and the third time
losing their only playoff game despite being the No. 1 seed. They had excuses:
The 1987 strike, Parcells quitting in 1991, but waiting 3 months after the
Super Bowl to do it and Plaxico Burress shooting himself in the leg the night
after Thanksgiving in 2008 when the Giants were the best team in the league.</p>


Now they have the broken foot suffered last week by Hakeem Nicks in a
non-contract practice. Is that a bad omen, a prediction for more post-Super Bowl
misery?</p>


I dont believe in omens or history, Tuck said.</p>


Nicks is the Giants most dangerous offensive player. If hes not ready for
the start of the season, or if he is not the same explosive player, then that
could prevent the Giants from making a run at repeating.</p>
Training camp starts in two months. Its almost time to put the rings away.
The way Manning sees it, the Giants are a 9-7 team that needs to get
better."

RoanokeFan
05-31-2012, 12:45 PM
If Eli can get the rest of the team to take this approach, there is no reason we can't repeat.

Flip Empty
05-31-2012, 01:03 PM
There's no reason the Giants can't repeat, regardless of what way they approach the season. That's one of the best things about the NFL - it's completely unpredictable.

RoanokeFan
05-31-2012, 01:23 PM
There's no reason the Giants can't repeat, regardless of what way they approach the season. That's one of the best things about the NFL - it's completely unpredictable.

You may not believe it, but it matters how they approach it. If they simply think it's theirs to lose, they will.

miked1958
05-31-2012, 01:24 PM
thats just what we need. A team to go into the season with a chip on its shoulder trying to prove something. Trying to show that the 9-7 record was what needs to be improved upon and not focusing on the SB Title. That will go a long way towards getting us back in the playoff hunt and maybe to another SB.

RoanokeFan
05-31-2012, 01:35 PM
thats just what we need. A team to go into the season with a chip on its shoulder trying to prove something. Trying to show that the 9-7 record was what needs to be improved upon and not focusing on the SB Title. That will go a long way towards getting us back in the playoff hunt and maybe to another SB.

Recognizing they were 9 - 7 is simply acknowledging reality. Every team can improve. If we were 8 - 8 we likely miss the playoffs.

nygsb42champs
05-31-2012, 01:52 PM
You have to love Eli's attitude.

jakegibbs
05-31-2012, 01:52 PM
thats just what we need. A team to go into the season with a chip on its shoulder trying to prove something. Trying to show that the 9-7 record was what needs to be improved upon and not focusing on the SB Title. That will go a long way towards getting us back in the playoff hunt and maybe to another SB.

Recognizing they were 9 - 7 is simply acknowledging reality.* Every team can improve.* If we were 8 - 8 we likely miss the playoffs.


They better improve or they could go from 1st to worst all the other NFC east teams have improved.

RoanokeFan
05-31-2012, 01:53 PM
You have to love Eli's attitude.

It really speaks to the "what have you done for me now" mentality that is the NFL.

RoanokeFan
05-31-2012, 01:54 PM
thats just what we need. A team to go into the season with a chip on its shoulder trying to prove something. Trying to show that the 9-7 record was what needs to be improved upon and not focusing on the SB Title. That will go a long way towards getting us back in the playoff hunt and maybe to another SB.

Recognizing they were 9 - 7 is simply acknowledging reality. Every team can improve. If we were 8 - 8 we likely miss the playoffs.


They better improve or they could go from 1st to worst all the other NFC east teams have improved.

My biggest concern is the OLine. Were that not to improve, it's gong to be a long season.

Flip Empty
05-31-2012, 02:00 PM
There's no reason the Giants can't repeat, regardless of what way they approach the season. That's one of the best things about the NFL - it's completely unpredictable.

You may not believe it, but it matters how they approach it. If they simply think it's theirs to lose, they will.

No, what I'm saying is that nothing is given in this league.
The Giants could approach the season like they're the worst team in the league, and then watch the actual worst team in the league (let's go with the Browns) go and win the whole thing.
Each season is different.

RoanokeFan
05-31-2012, 02:10 PM
There's no reason the Giants can't repeat, regardless of what way they approach the season. That's one of the best things about the NFL - it's completely unpredictable.

You may not believe it, but it matters how they approach it. If they simply think it's theirs to lose, they will.

No, what I'm saying is that nothing is given in this league.
The Giants could approach the season like they're the worst team in the league, and then watch the actual worst team in the league (let's go with the Browns) go and win the whole thing.
Each season is different.

Very true, but what Eli is saying is they can't simply walk onto the field and let it happen. It's going to take work.

MikeIsaGiant
05-31-2012, 02:29 PM
Wow, I hope this whole team has this attitude.

TuckYou
05-31-2012, 02:40 PM
Another way to look at it is it gives the team so much confidence going into 2012. Just like the SB42 run propelled us to 11-1 BPA (Before Plax's Accident). Was the team really that good, or were they still riding the momentum of the previous superbowl, or both? </P>


Look at what the Superbowl champs have done in the following year after they won:</P>


Team Year After SB Win
Colts 2007: 13-3
Giants 2008: 12-4
Steelers 2009: 9-7
Saints 2010: 11-5
Packers 2011: 15-1
Giants 2012:</P>

JimC
05-31-2012, 03:12 PM
EVERY team in this league has the personnel to win it all, but that's only 80% of what's needed. You need to throw in some good coaching 10%, good organization 5% and good luck 5% to meet your goal.

I truly believe it's that final 20% that separates the good teams from the not so good teams. The good teams have 90%, the real good teams have 93% and the elite teams find that additional 7%.

burier
06-01-2012, 01:04 PM
So where's the "We won the Superbowl so we don't need to improve" crowd.

Until further notice our linebackers suck.

Justin Tuck is lazy and overrated.

Chris Canty is lazy and overpaid.

And our offensive line is suspect.

repeatchamps
06-01-2012, 04:25 PM
So where's the "We won the Superbowl so we don't need to improve" crowd. Until further notice our linebackers suck. Justin Tuck is lazy and overrated. Chris Canty is lazy and overpaid. And our offensive line is suspect.</P>


I'd just add to that that both Perry Fewell's and Kevin Gilbride's systems can be exploited by the opposition easily at times.</P>

gumby742
06-01-2012, 06:14 PM
So where's the "We won the Superbowl so we don't need to improve" crowd. Until further notice our linebackers suck. Justin Tuck is lazy and overrated. Chris Canty is lazy and overpaid. And our offensive line is suspect.</P>


Eli sucks too.</P>

Manning
06-01-2012, 10:18 PM
Another way to look at it is it gives the team so much confidence going into 2012. Just like the SB42 run propelled us to 11-1 BPA (Before Plax's Accident). Was the team really that good, or were they still riding the momentum of the previous superbowl, or both? </P>


Look at what the Superbowl champs have done in the following year after they won:</P>


Team Year After SB Win
Colts 2007: 13-3
Giants 2008: 12-4
Steelers 2009: 9-7
Saints 2010: 11-5
Packers 2011: 15-1
Giants 2012:</P>

Prior to the plax shooting, that team had a championship swagger and confidence. Had they not had that magical run in 07, I doubt they bring that confidence the next year, and have a record worse than 12-4. That being said that was the running games best year and it's not even close. We had our way running the ball that year. If you go watch tape from that year, it's unbelievable how good the oline was, and how effective our running game was.

bigblue58
06-02-2012, 10:20 AM
I'm a little concerned that the running game won't improve because ...once again....the down turning OL issue was not addressed!
They have to do something to allow David Diehl to go back to his regular position on the line and stay there!

jomo
06-02-2012, 10:39 AM
There's no reason the Giants can't repeat, regardless of what way they approach the season. That's one of the best things about the NFL - it's completely unpredictable.

You may not believe it, but it matters how they approach it. If they simply think it's theirs to lose, they will.
Approach is VERY important, evidence Martellus Bennet. There is a reason why, with all those physical gifts, he hasn't made any real impact in this league, yet. Hopefully alot of Eli, Snee, TT, AR, CW etc will rub off on him.