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NYG4lifeNYK
06-01-2012, 08:49 PM
If so...

Do you think we would of restructured him this season if we didn't plan on giving him a new contract next season?























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</p>I have to believe we feel strongly about him coming back, no?

AllTuckedUp
06-01-2012, 08:53 PM
Yes, guaranteed we won't franchise him.

bELIeve_in_Giants
06-01-2012, 08:53 PM
Still a free agent and also apparently and agreement not to franchise him.

titwio
06-01-2012, 08:54 PM
Yes...It's looking like he'll be a FA after this year.

NYG4lifeNYK
06-01-2012, 09:01 PM
That's what I've read so that leads me to believe we feel good about resigning him next season? Otherwise why double his salary just for one year?

Obvious reasons would be so the distractions/headaches end for both both sides and Osi can concentrate on being the best he can be next season.


I just hope we lock him up......

NY_Eli
06-01-2012, 10:45 PM
I think if the giants wanted him for more than one year they would have worked out a longer deal now. Why double his salary for one year instead of spreading it out over a couple?

gumby742
06-01-2012, 10:55 PM
That's what I've read so that leads me to believe we feel good about resigning him next season? Otherwise why double his salary just for one year?

Obvious reasons would be so the distractions/headaches end for both both sides and Osi can concentrate on being the best he can be next season.


I just hope we lock him up......


I'd rather try and resign both Nicks and Cruz than Osi and Nicks or Cruz.

Or let's say Osi gets locked up, what do you think that means for Tuck? We have JPP to worry about also. I think it's also safe to say that Webster, KP, Joseph, are all goners as well.

Our money is better spent elsewhere.

Rat_bastich
06-01-2012, 11:22 PM
With all the hard feelings out of the way and the relief of at least a temporary new deal I think that Osi will get a new deal next year that will keep him at the Giants until he retires.

redbeardxxv
06-01-2012, 11:54 PM
I'm thinking this is a well applied band aid.... makes him feel good, keeps him playing at a high level, because he needs his value to be high going into FA, and gives us another year to evaluate whether or not he is worth a bigger contract, or how much tread is still left on the tire. I say it's a brilliant move by JR, it solves several problems at once.

hungrrrry
06-02-2012, 12:37 AM
No...I dont think they intend to sign him unless he relaxes his financial requirements to retire as a Giant.
I believe we again, draft a DE early in the 2013 draft to get ready to perform off the bat.
I don't like it because you know the Eagles will be looking him over.
There has been alot of garbage in the off-seasons in the Osi camp and I think Reese is fed up and is ALL IN for a repeat superbowl and then let him go....That would be very much worth it to me.
Osi is still the #3 DE/situational pass rusher and very limited against the run. His payday will have to be with another team since Reese is very likely not interested in overpaying for a pure pass-rush guy.

JJC7301
06-02-2012, 12:37 AM
Oh man, I thought he was resigned...not just restructured. This sucks -- I want him around long term, but not at the cost of JPP and Tuck. He's gone after this season and that just sucks.

g_menfan80
06-02-2012, 12:40 AM
This deal is perfection. I think everyone in the Giants organization knows that there is a special oppurtunity this year to repeat and become a dynasty. This deal makes Osi happy, shows the team that they do take care of the players and puts Osi in a contract year playing for one last big deal. With the Nicks, Cruz and JPP deals looming I think they'll let Osi go regardless of his production. One more year with the spoil's of 3 great DE's and then move on with JPP and Tuck and find some more in the draft.

Neverend
06-02-2012, 01:28 AM
Disappointed. Would have loved to have Osi here the next couple of years

Drez
06-02-2012, 01:31 AM
Disappointed. Would have loved to have Osi here the next couple of years
As much as we'd all love that to happen, we just don't have the cap room to make that a reality.

Diamondring
06-02-2012, 03:28 AM
No he shouldn't be with the Giants after 012 because he will cost too much money and the Giants have JPP. It will be time for the Giants to draft another DE to replace Osi. Since there are a lot of ways to put a team together, Giants won't keep Osi longer. That is what I think.

gmen46
06-02-2012, 04:58 AM
No...I dont think they intend to sign him unless he relaxes his financial requirements to retire as a Giant.
I believe we again, draft a DE early in the 2013 draft to get ready to perform off the bat.
I don't like it because you know the Eagles will be looking him over.
There has been alot of garbage in the off-seasons in the Osi camp and I think Reese is fed up and is ALL IN for a repeat superbowl and then let him go....That would be very much worth it to me.
Osi is still the #3 DE/situational pass rusher and very limited against the run. His payday will have to be with another team since Reese is very likely not interested in overpaying for a pure pass-rush guy.

I think you make some assumptions that are severely questionable.

1) There is absolutely no evidence that Reese is "fed up" with Osi.

2) I don't dispute that Osi's greatest strength is as a "pure pass-rush guy"--although his play vs the run has improved measurably the last 2 years--you seriously underestimate, with your comments here, the value of a Pro Bowl "pure pass-rush guy" on the same team that also has 2 Pro Bowl "well rounded DEs".

There is NO OTHER team in the NFL that can make that claim.

Other defensive players can be replaced with varying degrees of replaceable talent. It is very, very, very difficult, however--if not impossible--for any team to man their line with the talents of THREE Pro Bowl DEs with the particular skills of Osi, Tuck, and JPP. with two of them in their prime and the third just getting started.

I don't think some on this board appreciate the real significance of this fact.

As much as I love all the players on this team--and I am truly excited by the offensive skill players and our future with them--if we have to sacrifice 1 or even 2 other starters in order to retain all 3 of these particular DEs, I would do it in a heartbeat.

You don't believe me or agree with me? Think about the roller coaster regular season that was 2011 for the Giants.

Then look at Week 17 thru the Super Bowl, which was the only 5 game stretch the whole year when we had Osi, Tuck, and JPP all playing at full health.

Coincidence, that a team that struggled on their route to a 9-7 season, played defense like a different team in that 5 game stretch? I don't think so.

Redeyejedi
06-02-2012, 06:13 AM
A deal worth 7 to 7.5 Million a year is fair I think. If Osi will do a 4 year 28-30 million dollar deal I think he will be back. If he starts pushing for more the Giants will draft another pass rusher. Looks like a loaded pass Rusher draft

bigjeep
06-02-2012, 08:38 AM
If so...

Do you think we would of restructured him this season if we didn't plan on giving him a new contract next season?






















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<p class="js-tweet-text">Still working on details, but early
word is the deal doubles his '12 salary to $7.5M and still allows him to
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</p>I have to believe we feel strongly about him coming back, no?


We just want him to give us one last good year! Then he moves on for bigger money!

OX1
06-02-2012, 08:38 AM
This deal is perfection. I think everyone in the Giants organization knows that there is a special oppurtunity this year to repeat and become a dynasty. This deal makes Osi happy, shows the team that they do take care of the players and puts Osi in a contract year playing for one last big deal. With the Nicks, Cruz and JPP deals looming I think they'll let Osi go regardless of his production. One more year with the spoil's of 3 great DE's and then move on with JPP and Tuck and find some more in the draft.



This is the only thing the giants get, albeit it could be a big one.



But long term, comparing a repeat vs a template on how to extort the FO,

how is that a good thing?

river555
06-02-2012, 03:17 PM
It comes down to cap space. We also have to resign Phillips and Cruz who will also get big contracts.

SweetZombieJesus
06-02-2012, 03:35 PM
I don't think so; why couldn't they have extended his contract while reworking his deal if so?

We've got lots of guys coming up to get paid; Tuck, JPP, Nicks -- and Cruz deserves a new deal too. I don't see how we have the money and that's why this is Osi's last hurrah here and why his deal wasn't extended beyond this year.

BigBlue1971
06-02-2012, 03:45 PM
it depends on his performance this year! of course the ball is all in his court now!</P>


he can agree to a new contract or try someplace else. </P>


personally i wish he would retire a Giant! his presence can only make the team better.</P>

gmen0820
06-02-2012, 03:48 PM
I think I speak for everyone when I say I hope so.

hungrrrry
06-02-2012, 04:45 PM
No...I dont think they intend to sign him unless he relaxes his financial requirements to retire as a Giant.
I believe we again, draft a DE early in the 2013 draft to get ready to perform off the bat.
I don't like it because you know the Eagles will be looking him over.
There has been alot of garbage in the off-seasons in the Osi camp and I think Reese is fed up and is ALL IN for a repeat superbowl and then let him go....That would be very much worth it to me.
Osi is still the #3 DE/situational pass rusher and very limited against the run. His payday will have to be with another team since Reese is very likely not interested in overpaying for a pure pass-rush guy.

I think you make some assumptions that are severely questionable.

1) There is absolutely no evidence that Reese is "fed up" with Osi.

2) I don't dispute that Osi's greatest strength is as a "pure pass-rush guy"--although his play vs the run has improved measurably the last 2 years--you seriously underestimate, with your comments here, the value of a Pro Bowl "pure pass-rush guy" on the same team that also has 2 Pro Bowl "well rounded DEs".

There is NO OTHER team in the NFL that can make that claim.

Other defensive players can be replaced with varying degrees of replaceable talent. It is very, very, very difficult, however--if not impossible--for any team to man their line with the talents of THREE Pro Bowl DEs with the particular skills of Osi, Tuck, and JPP. with two of them in their prime and the third just getting started.

I don't think some on this board appreciate the real significance of this fact.

As much as I love all the players on this team--and I am truly excited by the offensive skill players and our future with them--if we have to sacrifice 1 or even 2 other starters in order to retain all 3 of these particular DEs, I would do it in a heartbeat.

You don't believe me or agree with me? Think about the roller coaster regular season that was 2011 for the Giants.

Then look at Week 17 thru the Super Bowl, which was the only 5 game stretch the whole year when we had Osi, Tuck, and JPP all playing at full health.

Coincidence, that a team that struggled on their route to a 9-7 season, played defense like a different team in that 5 game stretch? I don't think so.I may be assuming Reese is fed up but that would be the general consensus if you asked me so we will leave that at it being my opinion.
However, I do not underestimate Osi as a DE. He is a great pass-rushing DE and nearly a fumble-causing specialist...I have to say, I would like to see Osi retire with the Giants. The fact is, he would not be the full-time player that Tuck and JPP have become due to their versatility. When Osi comes in in 3rd down I am always hoping for a big play and nearly expect it. But all too often we saw running plays designed to go toward Osi or up the middle of our Dline where we were very weak last year. The lack of consistent play against the run by Osi as well as missing games due to injury makes Osi not worth paying just to keep 3 pro-bowl DE's. Besides that, Osi hasn't made a pro-bowl more than twice and both of those were while Strahan was playing.
Osi had a minor injury at the end of the season and remained fresh until the post-season. A fresh Osi with two healthy DE's that play near the top of the league makes him more valuable, not the other way around.

GMENAGAIN
06-02-2012, 04:50 PM
It's impossible to say, since I think that it will depend largely on how much Osi is looking for . . . . .</P>


If he is looking for a Peppers deal, I would say no . . . . If he is looking for a Kiwi deal (which I doubt) I would say yes. If he is looking for something in between those two deals, who knows?</P>


My feeling is that Osi will be looking for huge money and, for that reason, won't be re-signed here . . . .</P>


</P>

jomo
06-02-2012, 05:48 PM
There's a big difference between starter money and back-up money in the NFL. With JPP emerging, Osi wll remain a "back-up" here though I am sure that we'll see the two of them together in certain passing situations. Some other team might want him as a starter next yearin which case we won't be able to play, If he wants to retire a Giant, JR can probably work it out. My guess is he wants to make as much as possible in the waning years of his career and I don't blame him. He's probably gone after this year.

FBomb
06-02-2012, 06:24 PM
No....this tells me that Osi will be a FA next season and will go to the highest bidder. Osi got hush money....basically so he'll stfu and play in his final season.</P>

Firenugget
06-02-2012, 08:07 PM
He won't be back. He's all about the money now, which I understand. He's got 2 rings and now he wants the ridiculous money that teams are shelling out. I can't fault him for it. All I ever wanted from Osi was for him to stop crying and finish his contract. The Giants bent a bit and tossed him a bone his final year, that's fine but I have no silly thoughts about him re-signing here. Unless of course he, like many others, find out his value isn't as lofty as they thought once they are FA's.

gmen46
06-02-2012, 09:09 PM
No...I dont think they intend to sign him unless he relaxes his financial requirements to retire as a Giant.
I believe we again, draft a DE early in the 2013 draft to get ready to perform off the bat.
I don't like it because you know the Eagles will be looking him over.
There has been alot of garbage in the off-seasons in the Osi camp and I think Reese is fed up and is ALL IN for a repeat superbowl and then let him go....That would be very much worth it to me.
Osi is still the #3 DE/situational pass rusher and very limited against the run. His payday will have to be with another team since Reese is very likely not interested in overpaying for a pure pass-rush guy.

I think you make some assumptions that are severely questionable.

1) There is absolutely no evidence that Reese is "fed up" with Osi.

2) I don't dispute that Osi's greatest strength is as a "pure pass-rush guy"--although his play vs the run has improved measurably the last 2 years--you seriously underestimate, with your comments here, the value of a Pro Bowl "pure pass-rush guy" on the same team that also has 2 Pro Bowl "well rounded DEs".

There is NO OTHER team in the NFL that can make that claim.

Other defensive players can be replaced with varying degrees of replaceable talent. It is very, very, very difficult, however--if not impossible--for any team to man their line with the talents of THREE Pro Bowl DEs with the particular skills of Osi, Tuck, and JPP. with two of them in their prime and the third just getting started.

I don't think some on this board appreciate the real significance of this fact.

As much as I love all the players on this team--and I am truly excited by the offensive skill players and our future with them--if we have to sacrifice 1 or even 2 other starters in order to retain all 3 of these particular DEs, I would do it in a heartbeat.

You don't believe me or agree with me? Think about the roller coaster regular season that was 2011 for the Giants.

Then look at Week 17 thru the Super Bowl, which was the only 5 game stretch the whole year when we had Osi, Tuck, and JPP all playing at full health.

Coincidence, that a team that struggled on their route to a 9-7 season, played defense like a different team in that 5 game stretch? I don't think so.I may be assuming Reese is fed up but that would be the general consensus if you asked me so we will leave that at it being my opinion.
However, I do not underestimate Osi as a DE. He is a great pass-rushing DE and nearly a fumble-causing specialist...I have to say, I would like to see Osi retire with the Giants. The fact is, he would not be the full-time player that Tuck and JPP have become due to their versatility. When Osi comes in in 3rd down I am always hoping for a big play and nearly expect it. But all too often we saw running plays designed to go toward Osi or up the middle of our Dline where we were very weak last year. The lack of consistent play against the run by Osi as well as missing games due to injury makes Osi not worth paying just to keep 3 pro-bowl DE's. Besides that, Osi hasn't made a pro-bowl more than twice and both of those were while Strahan was playing.
Osi had a minor injury at the end of the season and remained fresh until the post-season. A fresh Osi with two healthy DE's that play near the top of the league makes him more valuable, not the other way around.

Your last sentence misses the point I was trying to make.

A successful football team requires not just very talented individuals, but individuals who compliment each other to the extent that a specific unit (ie, DL) functions at its' maximum when every one of the most talented players are in and functioning at their maximum level.

This is not about which of the 3 individuals is better than the other. It's about how the DL--and consequently the entire defense--performs at its best when all 3 of these guys are playing (not necessarily all 3 on the field for every play, but in the game).

These 3 are a prime example of the phrase "the whole is more than the sum of its parts".

That means that, AS A UNIT, JPP, Tuck, and Osi are not just better but DIFFERENT than if one simply added up their 3 abilities.

Put another way, each one of the 3 have more impact on the defense BECAUSE all 3 are playing as a unit. The unit in this case is organic. When you subtract any one of them, they individually will still have monster talent, but will not equate to the unique superior level that is the 3 of them together.

I don't know how else to express it. And frankly, I don't know why it seems difficult for some to grasp the concept.

It's similar to the concept of a finely tuned million dollar racing car crashing because of a slightly loose 50 cent bolt--undetected during the pre-race check--falling off during the race. ALL the parts are required to excell and succeed at the highest level.

Clearly, you won't see this until after next year, when Osi will probably be elsewhere (although there's still a strong possibility he will remain, in my opinion), when JPP wil be even better and Tuck will be playing at his best--but our DL, with no Osi included, will be JUST a little less a danger to opponents.

zimonami
06-02-2012, 09:28 PM
I don't think so; why couldn't they have extended his contract while reworking his deal if so?

We've got lots of guys coming up to get paid; Tuck, JPP, Nicks -- and Cruz deserves a new deal too.* I don't see how we have the money and that's why this is Osi's last hurrah here and why his deal wasn't extended beyond this year.

I agree with a lot of you peeps here. If Osi plays great this year he prob won't be with us next year... someone will give him more than we'll be able to afford considering the other important players we need to sign. And, if he plays well, and Tuck Kiwi, and JPP remain healthy, we should go into the playoffs and have another shot. We'll have a great rotation on the line and we'll all see if Osi still has that speed around his man. Money well spent, in addition because it shows Tuck and the others that we take care. I said before, if Cruz has a solid camp and shows that he wasn't a one-year-wonder, I expect the Giants to rework his contract early in the season, by end of September... so they can show appreciation for last year's performance for minimal money, and to extend him for another 3-4 years. Jpp will be next, and then Nicks. Phillips has to have a solid season and show that he's progresssing over last year. He was good last year, but was a half step to a step slower than pre-surgery.

RoanokeFan
06-02-2012, 09:31 PM
If so...

Do you think we would of restructured him this season if we didn't plan on giving him a new contract next season?























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<p class="js-tweet-text">Still working on details, but early
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</p>I have to believe we feel strongly about him coming back, no?


I think Osi is getting ready to play his last year as a GIANT. We know Reese offered an extension. We now know Osi said no, show me the money. I think Reese wants the DLine to function together, with Marvin Austin now, for another season before he'd be comfortable without Osi. Osi is gong to have to play his heart out to set the stage for a run in free agency. We have other players we have to sign to long term deals and it';s gong to take a lot of money.

At 31, with an injury history, Osi is heading into his sunset years in football terms. That's not to say he can't still play, but time catches up to everyone.

In the end, it's not about Osi, it's about the team and what's best. Anything can happen, but everything being equal right now, I don't see Osi accepting the next extension offer.

IAmTheFly
06-02-2012, 09:46 PM
They just signed him for this year and the topic is whether he will resign next year? Ohh the offseason :) Really glad to have a happy #72 on the field. Say what you want about his flaws, as far as a nose for the ball goes, he is as good as any I have ever watched.

RoanokeFan
06-02-2012, 09:47 PM
They just signed him for this year and the topic is whether he will resign next year? Ohh the offseason :) Really glad to have a happy #72 on the field. Say what you want about his flaws, as far as a nose for the ball goes, he is as good as any I have ever watched.

If he's the best you've ever watched, why wouldn't you be interested in his long term employment here?

IAmTheFly
06-02-2012, 09:52 PM
Well, I didn't say he was the best I've ever watched first of all. And I'm just happy to see him signed and hopefully his situation will be less of a distraction than it has been recently. Although if this thread is any indication it may not be. He just signed a deal, I'm glad as far as next season goes. Long term employment really isn't my problem, ask his wife.

EliTE
06-02-2012, 10:47 PM
we need to pay cruz and phillips.

IAmTheFly
06-02-2012, 11:12 PM
It'll all get done. We are still basking in the glow from the SB. No room for complacency forsure, but Reese is working. I think a one year deal for Osi is fine if thats what they agreed to. Keeps him hungry, Keeps the DE rotation sickly dangerous. I just love the Giants philosophy of building on strengths. It leaves holes sometimes forsure, especially now that they have drafted last twice out of the past 5 years. But the D-line is always stacked with guys that can make it a very long night for QBs, or sometimes a short one, like when they knocked something like 8 of them out of the game a couple of years ago. I like that they focus on that because after QB I think that is the area that has the most effect on the game.

BeatYale
06-03-2012, 03:43 PM
What kind of example are the Giants setting here? They are rewarding a guy who does not want to honor his contract and is being a nuance every off season. And they are not rewarding guys who deserve a pay increase, but are choosing to honor their contract and not bad mouthing the team in the media. Like Victor Cruz who is set to make 490k this year after breaking the Giants receiving yards record.

That's my gripe with this deal. I feel the Giants are taking advantage of Cruz's loyalty to the team and it's almost like a slap to his face when they double Osi's salary for the season.

GMENAGAIN
06-03-2012, 03:46 PM
What kind of example are the Giants setting here? They are rewarding a guy who does not want to honor his contract and is being a nuance every off season. And they are not rewarding guys who deserve a pay increase, but are choosing to honor their contract and not bad mouthing the team in the media. Like Victor Cruz who is set to make 490k this year after breaking the Giants receiving yards record. That's my gripe with this deal. I feel the Giants are taking advantage of Cruz's loyalty to the team and it's almost like a slap to his face when they double Osi's salary for the season.</P>


You make a legitimate point . . . . .</P>

RoanokeFan
06-03-2012, 04:09 PM
What kind of example are the Giants setting here? They are rewarding a guy who does not want to honor his contract and is being a nuance every off season. And they are not rewarding guys who deserve a pay increase, but are choosing to honor their contract and not bad mouthing the team in the media. Like Victor Cruz who is set to make 490k this year after breaking the Giants receiving yards record.

That's my gripe with this deal. I feel the Giants are taking advantage of Cruz's loyalty to the team and it's almost like a slap to his face when they double Osi's salary for the season.

One contract has nothing to do with the other and we're talking about players a very different points in their careers. Cruz, who I love, has had one outstanding season and while I think it's just the first or many, that is yet to be proven. Osi has been to the Pro Bowl twice and is, one of the top pass rushers in the NFL. It's not unusual in the NFL to restructure contracts for a variety of reasons. Wanting to repeat is as good a reason as any.

Let's assume for a moment, that Osi hadn't made a public spectacle of this process. We'd all be raising our glasses that he'll be here for another season without a second thought.

They were always going to reward Osi and it now seems as though Agnone was the 300 pound gorilla in the room. Within hours of Osi terminating Agnone's services, the deal gets done.

It's a WIN-WIN situation for a short term, one time payout.

gmen0820
06-03-2012, 04:12 PM
What kind of example are the Giants setting here? They are rewarding a guy who does not want to honor his contract and is being a nuance every off season. And they are not rewarding guys who deserve a pay increase, but are choosing to honor their contract and not bad mouthing the team in the media. Like Victor Cruz who is set to make 490k this year after breaking the Giants receiving yards record.

That's my gripe with this deal. I feel the Giants are taking advantage of Cruz's loyalty to the team and it's almost like a slap to his face when they double Osi's salary for the season.

One contract has nothing to do with the other and we're talking about players a very different points in their careers. Cruz, who I love, has had one outstanding season and while I think it's just the first or many, that is yet to be proven. Osi has been to the Pro Bowl twice and is, one of the top pass rushers in the NFL. It's not unusual in the NFL to restructure contracts for a variety of reasons. Wanting to repeat is as good a reason as any.

Let's assume for a moment, that Osi hadn't made a public spectacle of this process. We'd all be raising our glasses that he'll be here for another season without a second thought.

They were always going to reward Osi and it now seems as though Agnone was the 300 pound gorilla in the room. Within hours of Osi terminating Agnone's services, the deal gets done.

It's a WIN-WIN situation for a short term, one time payout.
Not to mention there were no long term ramifications, and with all our draft picks signed, we appear to have a finished team with a few positional battles.

I think this is a decent deal for everyone involved. I wonder if this was in the works before or after Osi fired his agent.

GMENAGAIN
06-03-2012, 04:27 PM
What kind of example are the Giants setting here? They are rewarding a guy who does not want to honor his contract and is being a nuance every off season. And they are not rewarding guys who deserve a pay increase, but are choosing to honor their contract and not bad mouthing the team in the media. Like Victor Cruz who is set to make 490k this year after breaking the Giants receiving yards record. That's my gripe with this deal. I feel the Giants are taking advantage of Cruz's loyalty to the team and it's almost like a slap to his face when they double Osi's salary for the season.

One contract has nothing to do with the other and we're talking about players a very different points in their careers. Cruz, who I love, has had one outstanding season and while I think it's just the first or many, that is yet to be proven. Osi has been to the Pro Bowl twice and is, one of the top pass rushers in the NFL. It's not unusual in the NFL to restructure contracts for a variety of reasons. Wanting to repeat is as good a reason as any.

Let's assume for a moment, that Osi hadn't made a public spectacle of this process. We'd all be raising our glasses that he'll be here for another season without a second thought.

They were always going to reward Osi and it now seems as though Agnone was the 300 pound gorilla in the room. Within hours of Osi terminating Agnone's services, the deal gets done.

It's a WIN-WIN situation for a short term, one time payout.
</P>


We don't really know what happened with Osi and Agnone . . . isn't it just as possible that Agnone negotiated the deal right up to the eve of its signing and then Osi dumped him before it was finalized to get out of the commission?</P>


</P>

FBomb
06-03-2012, 04:31 PM
What kind of example are the Giants setting here? They are rewarding a guy who does not want to honor his contract and is being a nuance every off season. And they are not rewarding guys who deserve a pay increase, but are choosing to honor their contract and not bad mouthing the team in the media. Like Victor Cruz who is set to make 490k this year after breaking the Giants receiving yards record. That's my gripe with this deal. I feel the Giants are taking advantage of Cruz's loyalty to the team and it's almost like a slap to his face when they double Osi's salary for the season.

One contract has nothing to do with the other and we're talking about players a very different points in their careers. Cruz, who I love, has had one outstanding season and while I think it's just the first or many, that is yet to be proven. Osi has been to the Pro Bowl twice and is, one of the top pass rushers in the NFL. It's not unusual in the NFL to restructure contracts for a variety of reasons. Wanting to repeat is as good a reason as any.

Let's assume for a moment, that Osi hadn't made a public spectacle of this process. We'd all be raising our glasses that he'll be here for another season without a second thought.

They were always going to reward Osi and it now seems as though Agnone was the 300 pound gorilla in the room. Within hours of Osi terminating Agnone's services, the deal gets done.

It's a WIN-WIN situation for a short term, one time payout.
</P>


We don't really know what happened with Osi and Agnone . . . isn't it just as possible that Agnone negotiated the deal right up to the eve of its signing and then Osi dumped him before it was finalized to get out of the commission?</P>


</P>


</P>


I'm pretty sure he couldn't get away with that. Chances are Osi wanted a bump for what will be his last season as a Giant and Agnone wasn'y getting it done.</P>

gmen46
06-03-2012, 04:33 PM
What kind of example are the Giants setting here? They are rewarding a guy who does not want to honor his contract and is being a nuance every off season. And they are not rewarding guys who deserve a pay increase, but are choosing to honor their contract and not bad mouthing the team in the media. Like Victor Cruz who is set to make 490k this year after breaking the Giants receiving yards record.

That's my gripe with this deal. I feel the Giants are taking advantage of Cruz's loyalty to the team and it's almost like a slap to his face when they double Osi's salary for the season.

You may have a point..............if you've lived in the caves of Afghanistan the past 7 years.

And haven't been aware of what Osi has meant to the Giants the past 9 years.

And if you have not seen or heard public statements by some of the "guys who deserve a pay increase" whose feelings you seem concerned about; JPP, Tuck, Kiwi, in particular have gone on record in support of Osi and his attempt for more compensation. They, especially are more than OK with this "message" you are so concerned about.

As for reference to Cruz, he's had 1 season as a player in the NFL--albeit an impressive one--whereas Osi has 8 seasons (not including his missed 08 season with ACL) with the Giants and has led or tied the team in sacks 6 of those 8 seasons, falling short of the lead only his rookie year and this past year due to missing 7 games with injuries.

Osi is second only to LT in consecutive seasons leading the team in sacks (4 straight years vs LT's 5).

"What kind of example are the Giants setting here?" A message that shows awareness on the part of management that things change over the course of 6 years (when his current contract was last negotiated) and if a player continues to perform at a very high level, to the point where the team highly values his production as well as the position (ie, DE is valued more than some others), the Giants will show a willingness to reward that consistent production.

You are assuming other key players will be upset about this deal, whereas all the evidence points to the opposite reactions.

And if you've watched Cruz at all--on the field, on the sidelines, locker room interviews during the season, interviews this off season, you might realize he does not appear to be narrow minded enough to compare his contractual situation with that of a veteran such as Osi. That nonexistent comparison seems to reside in the minds of selected fans such as yourself.

Do you REALLY believe that Reese and rest of the FO are completely oblivious to any of these considerations?

zimonami
06-03-2012, 04:49 PM
What kind of example are the Giants setting here? They are rewarding a guy who does not want to honor his contract and is being a nuance every off season. And they are not rewarding guys who deserve a pay increase, but are choosing to honor their contract and not bad mouthing the team in the media. Like Victor Cruz who is set to make 490k this year after breaking the Giants receiving yards record.

That's my gripe with this deal. I feel the Giants are taking advantage of Cruz's loyalty to the team and it's almost like a slap to his face when they double Osi's salary for the season.

You may have a point..............if you've lived in the caves of Afghanistan the past 7 years.

And haven't been aware of what Osi has meant to the Giants the past 9 years.

And if you have not seen or heard public statements by some of the "guys who deserve a pay increase" whose feelings you seem concerned about; JPP, Tuck, Kiwi, in particular have gone on record in support of Osi and his attempt for more compensation. They, especially are more than OK with this "message" you are so concerned about.

As for reference to Cruz, he's had 1 season as a player in the NFL--albeit an impressive one--whereas Osi has 8 seasons (not including his missed 08 season with ACL) with the Giants and has led or tied the team in sacks 6 of those 8 seasons, falling short of the lead only his rookie year and this past year due to missing 7 games with injuries.

Osi is second only to LT in consecutive seasons leading the team in sacks (4 straight years vs LT's 5).

"What kind of example are the Giants setting here?" A message that shows awareness on the part of management that things change over the course of 6 years (when his current contract was last negotiated) and if a player continues to perform at a very high level, to the point where the team highly values his production as well as the position (ie, DE is valued more than some others), the Giants will show a willingness to reward that consistent production.

You are assuming other key players will be upset about this deal, whereas all the evidence points to the opposite reactions.

And if you've watched Cruz at all--on the field, on the sidelines, locker room interviews during the season, interviews this off season, you might realize he does not appear to be narrow minded enough to compare his contractual situation with that of a veteran such as Osi. That nonexistent comparison seems to reside in the minds of selected fans such as yourself.

Do you REALLY believe that Reese and rest of the FO are completely oblivious to any of these considerations?
I'm usually very opposed torewarding someone in Osi'd situation. Shut up and play. But, gmen is right on. with the reasons why this time it had to be addressed.
As Ro says, it's win-win.
I believe the Giants will also do something with Cruz to reward him for last year... a little 'Thank you'.
There's a lot of PR involved here. The Giants are usually rigid on these things... I think it's a good thing that they've loosened their ties a little

RoanokeFan
06-03-2012, 05:14 PM
What kind of example are the Giants setting here? They are rewarding a guy who does not want to honor his contract and is being a nuance every off season. And they are not rewarding guys who deserve a pay increase, but are choosing to honor their contract and not bad mouthing the team in the media. Like Victor Cruz who is set to make 490k this year after breaking the Giants receiving yards record. That's my gripe with this deal. I feel the Giants are taking advantage of Cruz's loyalty to the team and it's almost like a slap to his face when they double Osi's salary for the season.

One contract has nothing to do with the other and we're talking about players a very different points in their careers. Cruz, who I love, has had one outstanding season and while I think it's just the first or many, that is yet to be proven. Osi has been to the Pro Bowl twice and is, one of the top pass rushers in the NFL. It's not unusual in the NFL to restructure contracts for a variety of reasons. Wanting to repeat is as good a reason as any.

Let's assume for a moment, that Osi hadn't made a public spectacle of this process. We'd all be raising our glasses that he'll be here for another season without a second thought.

They were always going to reward Osi and it now seems as though Agnone was the 300 pound gorilla in the room. Within hours of Osi terminating Agnone's services, the deal gets done.

It's a WIN-WIN situation for a short term, one time payout.
</p>


We don't really know what happened with Osi and Agnone . . . isn't it just as possible that Agnone negotiated the deal right up to the eve of its signing and then Osi dumped him before it was finalized to get out of the commission?</p>


</p>

Agnone sent an email to a news outlet and in that he said he stepped aside so the GIANTS could make the deal. I'm paraphrasing, but that's what he said.

EDIT:

Here's that original article with the quote at the end:

GIANTS' OSI UMENYIORA FIRES AGENT, COULD REPRESENT HIMSELF (http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/giantsblog/giants_umenyiora_fires_agent_could_URlei081fVVKwYp K1rdiqN)

"Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora confirmed to The Post that he has fired
agent Tony Agnone. <div>


Umenyiora has been unhappy with his contract in recent seasons and held out
last year, and has not showed up at OTAs thus far.</p>


"It means nothing as far as a new deal but we both decided that a new
approach might be necessary at this time," Umenyiora wrote in an email to The
Post. </p>


Last year, the Giants gave Agnone permission to seek a trade, but could not
find any takers with the high asking price of a first-round round pick. The
Giants have offered the disgruntled lineman an extension, but Umenyiora said it
is only worth half of what the team guaranteed Mathias Kiwanuka ($10.95 million
over three years) in an extension agreed to this offseason. </p>


Umenyiora could take over any future negotiations himself. </p>


"I have no plans on hiring a new agent at this time," he said. </p>


Agnone has been Umenyiora’s agent since the 2007 offseason, a few months
after Umenyiora signed a six-year extension. </p>


"I'm stepping aside so the Giants can do the right thing and take care of
him," Agnone said in an email." </p>
</div>

greenca190
06-03-2012, 05:21 PM
I think we have as good a chance as anyone, unless we see the defensive end position overrated next off season.

I can see Jerry Reese coughing up a John Abraham's-esque contract to Osi to keep him here. 3 yrs/16 mm.

RoanokeFan
06-03-2012, 05:26 PM
I think we have as good a chance as anyone, unless we see the defensive end position overrated next off season.

I can see Jerry Reese coughing up a John Abraham's-esque contract to Osi to keep him here. 3 yrs/16 mm.

Not at the expense of losing Cruz or Nicks.

greenca190
06-03-2012, 05:32 PM
I think we have as good a chance as anyone, unless we see the defensive end position overrated next off season.

I can see Jerry Reese coughing up a John Abraham's-esque contract to Osi to keep him here. 3 yrs/16 mm.

Not at the expense of losing Cruz or Nicks.*


We still don't know what either of them are going to garner. Nicks could be the next Mike Wallace, in which he thinks he's a 100 million dollar receiver in this league, after three, four years. Whatever it is.

If that's the case, he is not going to sign his second contract with this team.

All hypothetical, really. I'd like to see Hakeem given an extension during this season or before 2013. That'll give us a clearer understanding as to what we are capable of financially.

GMENAGAIN
06-03-2012, 06:18 PM
What kind of example are the Giants setting here? They are rewarding a guy who does not want to honor his contract and is being a nuance every off season. And they are not rewarding guys who deserve a pay increase, but are choosing to honor their contract and not bad mouthing the team in the media. Like Victor Cruz who is set to make 490k this year after breaking the Giants receiving yards record. That's my gripe with this deal. I feel the Giants are taking advantage of Cruz's loyalty to the team and it's almost like a slap to his face when they double Osi's salary for the season.

One contract has nothing to do with the other and we're talking about players a very different points in their careers. Cruz, who I love, has had one outstanding season and while I think it's just the first or many, that is yet to be proven. Osi has been to the Pro Bowl twice and is, one of the top pass rushers in the NFL. It's not unusual in the NFL to restructure contracts for a variety of reasons. Wanting to repeat is as good a reason as any.

Let's assume for a moment, that Osi hadn't made a public spectacle of this process. We'd all be raising our glasses that he'll be here for another season without a second thought.

They were always going to reward Osi and it now seems as though Agnone was the 300 pound gorilla in the room. Within hours of Osi terminating Agnone's services, the deal gets done.

It's a WIN-WIN situation for a short term, one time payout.
</P>


We don't really know what happened with Osi and Agnone . . . isn't it just as possible that Agnone negotiated the deal right up to the eve of its signing and then Osi dumped him before it was finalized to get out of the commission?</P>


</P>

Agnone sent an email to a news outlet and in that he said he stepped aside so the GIANTS could make the deal. I'm paraphrasing, but that's what he said.

EDIT:

Here's that original article with the quote at the end:

GIANTS' OSI UMENYIORA FIRES AGENT, COULD REPRESENT HIMSELF (http://www.nypost.com/p/blogs/giantsblog/giants_umenyiora_fires_agent_could_URlei081fVVKwYp K1rdiqN)

"Giants defensive end Osi Umenyiora confirmed to The Post that he has fired agent Tony Agnone.
<DIV>


Umenyiora has been unhappy with his contract in recent seasons and held out last year, and has not showed up at OTAs thus far.</P>


"It means nothing as far as a new deal but we both decided that a new approach might be necessary at this time," Umenyiora wrote in an email to The Post. </P>


Last year, the Giants gave Agnone permission to seek a trade, but could not find any takers with the high asking price of a first-round round pick. The Giants have offered the disgruntled lineman an extension, but Umenyiora said it is only worth half of what the team guaranteed Mathias Kiwanuka ($10.95 million over three years) in an extension agreed to this offseason. </P>


Umenyiora could take over any future negotiations himself. </P>


"I have no plans on hiring a new agent at this time," he said. </P>


Agnone has been Umenyiora’s agent since the 2007 offseason, a few months after Umenyiora signed a six-year extension. </P>


"I'm stepping aside so the Giants can do the right thing and take care of him," Agnone said in an email." </P></DIV>



</P>


OK then. Thanks for the info.</P>


</P>

RoanokeFan
06-03-2012, 06:19 PM
I think we have as good a chance as anyone, unless we see the defensive end position overrated next off season.

I can see Jerry Reese coughing up a John Abraham's-esque contract to Osi to keep him here. 3 yrs/16 mm.

Not at the expense of losing Cruz or Nicks.


We still don't know what either of them are going to garner. Nicks could be the next Mike Wallace, in which he thinks he's a 100 million dollar receiver in this league, after three, four years. Whatever it is.

If that's the case, he is not going to sign his second contract with this team.

All hypothetical, really. I'd like to see Hakeem given an extension during this season or before 2013. That'll give us a clearer understanding as to what we are capable of financially.

At this point in time it's not so much what either of them will ask for, it's positioning the FO to be able to have the funds to extend them both before they hit FA. But, as you say, it's all hypothetical.

Mod_C
06-03-2012, 07:33 PM
What kind of example are the Giants setting here? They are rewarding a guy who does not want to honor his contract and is being a nuance every off season. And they are not rewarding guys who deserve a pay increase, but are choosing to honor their contract and not bad mouthing the team in the media. Like Victor Cruz who is set to make 490k this year after breaking the Giants receiving yards record.

That's my gripe with this deal. I feel the Giants are taking advantage of Cruz's loyalty to the team and it's almost like a slap to his face when they double Osi's salary for the season.

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