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RoanokeFan
06-02-2012, 05:33 PM
NEW ORLEANS SAINTS EARNED REWARDS FOR INJURING GIANTS' PLAYERS IN 2009 (http://www.giants101.com/2012/06/02/new-orleans-saints-earned-rewards-for-injuring-new-york-giants-players-in-2009/)

"In the last 24 hours, it's been revealed that the New Orleans Saints not only
placed bounties on opposing players, but actually kept a ledger (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&key=9b4efad421c8b103b2c94b796db973 b0&loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.giants101.com%2F2012%2F06% 2F02%2Fnew-orleans-saints-earned-rewards-for-injuring-new-york-giants-players-in-2009%2F&subId=3e646801796e45114472dfafa5862724&v=1 &libid=1338668898592&out=http%3A%2F%2Fsports.yahoo .com%2Fnews%2Fnfl--sources--new-orleans-saints-kept-a--ledger--detailing-weekly-earnings-in-bounty-scandal.html&ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.giants101.com%2F &title=New%20Orleans%20Saints%20Earned%20Rewards%2 0for%20Injuring%20New%20York%20Giants%20Players%20 in%202009%20%7C%20Giants%20101%20%7C%20Sports%20Me dia%20101&txt=kept%20a%20ledger&jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_ 13386690276251) detailing the players
they injured and the payouts that were made as a result. It's the latest in a
long line of revelations as it relates to BountyGate.
<blockquote>


"The players clearly knew what was going each week with the payments," a
source told Yahoo! Sports.</p></blockquote>


The ledger carefully detailed all payouts, "cart-offs", "whacks" and
deductions for "mental errors." Included in said ledger was a $1,000 payout for
a "cart-off" on October 18th, 2009 in a game against the <a class="st_tag internal_tag" title="Posts tagged with New York Giants" href="http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york-giants/" rel="tag nofollow">New York
Giants</a>.</p>


Although the injured players name was not immediately made available, a live
blog of the game, courtesy of the New York Times (http://fifthdown.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/10/18/live-analysis-giants-saints/), revealed that offensive
lineman <a class="st_tag internal_tag" title="Posts tagged with Kareem McKenzie" href="http://www.giants101.com/tag/kareem-mckenzie/" rel="tag nofollow">Kareem
McKenzie</a> had been carted off after sustaining a groin injury. This occurred
during a pile up for a loose ball, and coincides with many reports of dirty
tactics courtesy of the Saints during fights for fumbles.</p>


Another interesting note in the NYT live blog was the hit that led to the
fumble:</p>
<blockquote>


"On his next play, Manning was sacked hard by Roman Harper and fumbled.
Manning’s head snapped back when he was hit from behind."</p></blockquote>


The hit on Manning was deemed legal and Harper was not fined, but it's
already been made public that <a class="st_tag internal_tag" title="Posts tagged with Gregg Williams" href="http://www.giants101.com/tag/gregg-williams/" rel="tag nofollow">Gregg
Williams</a> and the New Orleans Saints frequently targeted quarterbacks (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&amp;key=9b4efad421c8b103b2c94b796db973 b0&amp;loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.giants101.com%2F2012%2F06% 2F02%2Fnew-orleans-saints-earned-rewards-for-injuring-new-york-giants-players-in-2009%2F&amp;subId=3e646801796e45114472dfafa5862724&amp;v=1 &amp;libid=1338668898592&amp;out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nesn.com %2F2012%2F03%2Faaron-rodgers-brett-favre-cam-newton-kurt-warner-targeted-as-part-of-saints-bounty-program.html&amp;ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.giants101.com%2F &amp;title=New%20Orleans%20Saints%20Earned%20Rewards%2 0for%20Injuring%20New%20York%20Giants%20Players%20 in%202009%20%7C%20Giants%20101%20%7C%20Sports%20Me dia%20101&amp;txt=frequently%20targeted%20quarterbacks &amp;jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13386690773592). In
hindsight, it makes you question every play and whether or not the intention was
there to injury Manning.</p>


Meanwhile, McKenzie would go on to miss the following game against the
Arizona Cardinals as a result of the groin injury sustained at the hands of the
Saints."</p>

jomo
06-02-2012, 06:04 PM
Sad state of affairs RF. I remember whispers about the Titans as well and there is a link between those two teams.</P>


I don't think Goodell knew he'd wind up being the law and order commissioner but he's doing what needs to be done.</P>

Danny1024
06-02-2012, 06:26 PM
I hope we beat the crap outta that team this season

FeaglesPuntsEaglesRunts
06-02-2012, 07:57 PM
Oh hell no. This makes me wish we still had Jacobs to release on these dudes. If there was one thing I'm going to miss about him, it's being able to punish defensive players and getting into scuffles with the biggest baddest lineman and coming out on the winning end.

buffyblue
06-02-2012, 08:12 PM
This is no surprise. New Orleans Saints are and have always been since their inception one of the lowest and most disgusting franchises in NFL. Their fans are lowlives too.

I hope we annhilate them at Giants Stadium this season.

I bELIeve.

jakegibbs
06-02-2012, 08:17 PM
This is no surprise. New Orleans Saints are and have always been since their inception one of the lowest and most disgusting franchises in NFL. Their fans are lowlives too.

I hope we annhilate them at Giants Stadium this season.

I bELIeve.

HUH? I thought the Eagles were low & disgusting on this board & hoping the Giants get a win over the Saints. It seems at late they have our number. The last 2 against them the NYG were spanked pretty bad. Hope with the head coach gone & DC + a couple of players maybe a little payback could be in order. Go Giants.

NYgiants141
06-02-2012, 08:49 PM
This is no surprise. New Orleans Saints are and have always been since their inception one of the lowest and most disgusting franchises in NFL. Their fans are lowlives too.

I hope we annhilate them at Giants Stadium this season.

I bELIeve.

HUH? I thought the Eagles were low &amp; disgusting on this board &amp; hoping the Giants get a win over the Saints. It seems at late they have our number. The last 2 against them the NYG were spanked pretty bad. Hope with the head coach gone &amp; DC + a couple of players maybe a little payback could be in order. Go Giants.

The last two were at their house i believe. We know they're a different team on the road.

RoanokeFan
06-02-2012, 09:07 PM
Sad state of affairs RF. I remember whispers about the Titans as well and there is a link between those two teams.</p>


I don't think Goodell knew he'd wind up being the law and order commissioner but he's doing what needs to be done.</p>

I hope Goodell is right when he says there is no more bounty system and that he didn't just drive it underground.

bELIeve_in_Giants
06-02-2012, 10:48 PM
That game was horrible. I remember everyone's reaction just being "What the heck was that?" it was the start of the downward slide in that year.

That same game I clearly remember Eli taking a late hit to the head. This one was a penalty, however. I remember it b/c the play was an INT, but Giants got the ball back because of the penalty.

bELIeve_in_Giants
06-02-2012, 11:20 PM
Here's the play I'm thinking of - of course with any of this we have no idea if any of it was because of a bounty.

"Bradshaw took the handoff on the next play for a four-yard gain up the middle. He stayed in. But Manning threw an interception that was taken back 68 yards for a touchdown by Darren Sharper, a particular nemesis of Manning, who cut in front of Kevin Boss. However, the play was nullified because Jonathan Vilma was penalized for roughing Manning as he passed.

Vilma’s hit on a blitz led to helmet-to-helmet contact. The Giants got the ball first and ten at the 20 of the Saints. Jacobs came back in the game and took the next handoff for a six-yard gain."

njsean
06-03-2012, 12:05 AM
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barran21
06-03-2012, 01:22 AM
This is no surprise. New Orleans Saints are and have always been since their inception one of the lowest and most disgusting franchises in NFL. Their fans are lowlives too.

I hope we annhilate them at Giants Stadium this season.

I bELIeve.

HUH? I thought the Eagles were low &amp; disgusting on this board &amp; hoping the Giants get a win over the Saints. It seems at late they have our number. The last 2 against them the NYG were spanked pretty bad. Hope with the head coach gone &amp; DC + a couple of players maybe a little payback could be in order. Go Giants.

The last two were at their house i believe. We know they're a different team on the road.


Coming off bye week, both times they had 2 weeks to prepare and this year NFL gives them more time again, we played the Skins on Monday, they have a Thursday night game, so they have a mini bye week and we have to play them on six days rest, NFL is still trying to make us pay for that Katrina BS we had no control over....

CTLadyBlue
06-03-2012, 10:09 AM
I do hope everyone realizes the ginormous microscope the Saints will be under each and every game. Knowing you're going to have to watch every move and hit you make because NFL Big Brother is watching you is going to put a damper on their performance, no question.

And....I call massive 'BOO's' from every opposing stadium they visit - and maybe even a few from their own. This is going to be a mental cloud hanging over their head all season with every tackle, every sack, every hit being psycho-analyzed by the commentators and post-game.

I wonder how this team will cope with the pressure. Will they be able to handle it and all the stupid questions all season or will they crack and be a mediocre team this year?

keyofgmen
06-03-2012, 01:40 PM
This is no surprise. New Orleans Saints are and have always been since their inception one of the lowest and most disgusting franchises in NFL. Their fans are lowlives too.

I hope we annhilate them at Giants Stadium this season.

I bELIeve.

Those of us old enough may remember Homer Jones being pounded on by 4 Saints players in the corner of an endzone before anyone realized it. I don't even remember exactly when it was, I just remember my father going crazy watching it and my whole family screaming at Saints as dirty players.

Toadofsteel
06-03-2012, 01:44 PM
I do hope everyone realizes the ginormous microscope the Saints will be under each and every game. Knowing you're going to have to watch every move and hit you make because NFL Big Brother is watching you is going to put a damper on their performance, no question.

And....I call massive 'BOO's' from every opposing stadium they visit - and maybe even a few from their own. This is going to be a mental cloud hanging over their head all season with every tackle, every sack, every hit being psycho-analyzed by the commentators and post-game.

I wonder how this team will cope with the pressure. Will they be able to handle it and all the stupid questions all season or will they crack and be a mediocre team this year?

Definitely see Booing on the defense, I don't know so much about the offense though... weren't those mostly exonerated from the bounty scandal?

miked1958
06-03-2012, 05:50 PM
Will this new info level more penalties or suspensions? Or is it just more proof towards keeping the fines and suspensions already handed out?

JMFP2
06-03-2012, 09:43 PM
I do hope everyone realizes the ginormous microscope the Saints will be under each and every game. Knowing you're going to have to watch every move and hit you make because NFL Big Brother is watching you is going to put a damper on their performance, no question. And....I call massive 'BOO's' from every opposing stadium they visit - and maybe even a few from their own. This is going to be a mental cloud hanging over their head all season with every tackle, every sack, every hit being psycho-analyzed by the commentators and post-game. I wonder how this team will cope with the pressure. Will they be able to handle it and all the stupid questions all season or will they crack and be a mediocre team this year?</P>


Agreed....the referees will calling Saints games pretty tight.</P>

lawl
06-03-2012, 10:21 PM
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Another interesting note in the NYT live blog was the hit that led to the
fumble:</p>
<blockquote>


"On his next play, Manning was sacked hard by Roman Harper and fumbled.
Manning’s head snapped back when he was hit from behind."</p></blockquote>


The hit on Manning was deemed legal and Harper was not fined, but it's
already been made public that <a class="st_tag internal_tag" title="Posts tagged with Gregg Williams" href="http://www.giants101.com/tag/gregg-williams/" rel="tag nofollow">Gregg
Williams</a> and the New Orleans Saints frequently targeted quarterbacks (http://api.viglink.com/api/click?format=go&amp;key=9b4efad421c8b103b2c94b796db973 b0&amp;loc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.giants101.com%2F2012%2F06% 2F02%2Fnew-orleans-saints-earned-rewards-for-injuring-new-york-giants-players-in-2009%2F&amp;subId=3e646801796e45114472dfafa5862724&amp;v=1 &amp;libid=1338668898592&amp;out=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nesn.com %2F2012%2F03%2Faaron-rodgers-brett-favre-cam-newton-kurt-warner-targeted-as-part-of-saints-bounty-program.html&amp;ref=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.giants101.com%2F &amp;title=New%20Orleans%20Saints%20Earned%20Rewards%2 0for%20Injuring%20New%20York%20Giants%20Players%20 in%202009%20%7C%20Giants%20101%20%7C%20Sports%20Me dia%20101&amp;txt=frequently%20targeted%20quarterbacks &amp;jsonp=vglnk_jsonp_13386690773592). In
hindsight, it makes you question every play and whether or not the intention was
there to injury Manning.\</p>


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Every clean hit ever made was meant to hurt the opposing player. They aren't trying to tickle each other.</p>

The dirty injuries under the pile are one thing, but clean hits are clean hits. The intent is to cause harm to get into the person's head or get them out of the game.
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