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06-04-2012, 12:43 PM
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<p class="js-tweet-text">Osi playing DE with first team.</p>


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he isnt a starter, but its interesting they have him with the first team. sure only ota's but its kind of odd.
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06-04-2012, 12:45 PM
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<p class="js-tweet-text">Osi playing DE with first team.</p>


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he isnt a starter, but its interesting they have him with the first team. sure only ota's but its kind of odd.*
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JPP, Tuck, and Osi will all get huge minutes.

Roxersboxers
06-04-2012, 12:54 PM
I Agree. They will all get huge minutes. It doesnt really matter who "starts" because all of them will see the field and get significant playing time.

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06-04-2012, 01:01 PM
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<p class="js-tweet-text">Osi playing DE with first team.</p>


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he isnt a starter, but its interesting they have him with the first team. sure only ota's but its kind of odd.
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Is this really an issue? He's going to play as he played last season. He's getting paid more than he would have without the re-structure. The coaches will decide when he's on the field.

MikeIsaGiant
06-04-2012, 01:17 PM
Everyone is all in

Drez
06-04-2012, 01:21 PM
Why do people care? We should all realize by now that starting is meaningless for the DE, particularly the Osi/JPP spot. These guys are going to be splitting snaps. Even if Osi "starts," JPP will still get plenty of, if not more, snaps.

Also, ever consider it could also be to help Osi get up to speed as he missed (voluntarily or not) all the offseason OTAs?

slipknottin
06-04-2012, 01:50 PM
Osi is a starter. Hes an all-pro DE.

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 02:01 PM
Osi is a starter. Hes an all-pro DE.</P>


If memory serves me he's only been selected for 2 pro bowls in his entire career. Plus he's definately not starting with us. He's a pass rush specialist but not an every down DE.</P>


I don't want to start another debate but your statement is rediculous.</P>

slipknottin
06-04-2012, 02:05 PM
If memory serves me he's only been selected for 2 pro bowls in his entire career.

If memory serves me correctly, so has Tuck.

JPP has only made one probowl in his entire career.

Nice try though.

BTW, all-pro is not the same thing as a probowler. Different things completely.

Rat_bastich
06-04-2012, 02:05 PM
Kind of hard to call anyone a true starter on this d-line since they rotate them in and out so much. Even our defensive ends see time at tackle. I wouldn't be too worried.

JPizzack
06-04-2012, 02:06 PM
This is a non issue. We don't have "starters" and "backups"on the DLas far as I'm concerned. We switch out for passing downs all the time, always have...

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 02:09 PM
If memory serves me he's only been selected for 2 pro bowls in his entire career. If memory serves me correctly, so has Tuck. JPP has only made one probowl in his entire career. Nice try though. BTW, all-pro is not the same thing as a probowler. Different things completely.</P>


True, but you need to stop the overrating of Osi. Great pass rusher and not much more. He gets away with that because we have Tuck and JPP to do the dirty work. Osi can jog on the filed in passing downs and get all the glory while the other guys make it possible for him.</P>

SweetZombieJesus
06-04-2012, 02:10 PM
Kind of hard to call anyone a true starter on this d-line since they rotate them in and out so much. Even our defensive ends see time at tackle. I wouldn't be too worried.

Yeah I was going to say late last year we saw a good amount of Osi at Left End and Tuck at DT. You also see JPP at DT a fair amount. I can't recall Osi ever playing inside though.

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 02:12 PM
This is a non issue. We don't have "starters" and "backups"on the DLas far as I'm concerned. We switch out for passing downs all the time, always have...</P>


I don't know if its exactly like that Pizz. Each player has a role, but it seems that JPP and Tuck are full time guys and Osi comes in on passing downs, moving Tuck to DT and JPP to left DE.</P>


As I just said, Tuck and JPP do the work of complete DE's that we need.</P>

slipknottin
06-04-2012, 02:12 PM
Great pass rusher and not much more.* He gets away with that because we have Tuck and JPP to do the dirty work.*

Osi is a fine run defender. Not as good as JPP or Tuck, but still good.

But you are an Osi hater, so you will never believe that.

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 02:13 PM
Kind of hard to call anyone a true starter on this d-line since they rotate them in and out so much. Even our defensive ends see time at tackle. I wouldn't be too worried.

Yeah I was going to say late last year we saw a good amount of Osi at Left End and Tuck at DT. You also see JPP at DT a fair amount. I can't recall Osi ever playing inside though.
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You may be right but I don't remember that at all. It seemed to me that Osi moved JPP to left DE and Osi played right DE.</P>

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 02:17 PM
Great pass rusher and not much more. He gets away with that because we have Tuck and JPP to do the dirty work. Osi is a fine run defender. Not as good as JPP or Tuck, but still good. But you are an Osi hater, so you will never believe that.</P>


I'm not an Osi hater but I am certainly an Osi disliker. Not so much for his game. that is what it is. He loves to pin his ears back and rush the QB and thats what he's good at. He's is a crappy DE vs.the run because he playes with poor disipline and bites on misdirection all the time. In reality, the thing that makes him a good pass rusher is part of the reason he's a poor run stopper. He has a one track mind...get to the QB. Thats why he doesn'tplay much at all in run situations.</P>


My problems with Osi come from the fact that he's never happy. He's always a problem. This contract redo is fine. He has nothing to whine about and we'll be done with him after this season. I assume that he will play well in his role as a pass rush specialist.</P>

JPizzack
06-04-2012, 02:17 PM
To be completely fair to Slipknottin's post....he simply stated Osi is a 2 time All-Pro defensive end. He didn't overstate or understate anything. Simply presented a fact. lol
Youre just very passionate about making sure people understand that Osi is a pass rush specialist and not a good overall DE. Since you say it all the time...we know....lol
Hmm...this convo sounds similar to something from earlier ;)</P>

slipknottin
06-04-2012, 02:20 PM
My problems with Osi come from the fact that he's never happy.* He's always a problem.* This contract redo is fine.* He has nothing to whine about and we'll be done with him after this season.* I assume that he will play well in his role as a pass rush specialist.</P>

Hes plenty happy right now.

I bet you were very upset they gave him more money. You were dying to have him off the team, we know.

You always bring up how bad Osi is against the run, but can never support your argument either. Weve had this argument before. It goes nowhere. I support that Osi is at least average as a starting RE against the run, you argue back that "no he is horrible". Then on we go.

Osi is a starting DE in this league, a 2x all-pro and 2x probowl DE. The giants are fortunate to have two other DEs who are also probowl/all-pro DEs that are also starters. That does not mean Osi is not good enough to be a starter.

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 02:26 PM
My problems with Osi come from the fact that he's never happy. He's always a problem. This contract redo is fine. He has nothing to whine about and we'll be done with him after this season. I assume that he will play well in his role as a pass rush specialist.


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Hes plenty happy right now. I bet you were very upset they gave him more money. You were dying to have him off the team, we know. You always bring up how bad Osi is against the run, but can never support your argument either. Weve had this argument before. It goes nowhere. I support that Osi is at least average as a starting RE against the run, you argue back that "no he is horrible". Then on we go. Osi is a starting DE in this league, a 2x all-pro and 2x probowl DE. The giants are fortunate to have two other DEs who are also probowl/all-pro DEs that are also starters. That does not mean Osi is not good enough to be a starter.</P>


I have mixed feelings about Osi's deal. It helps with the DE rotation and generally thats good for the team, especially with the loss of Tolly. I don't like it when JPP moves to left DE though. Takes away from his natural ability. Plus I'm sure he'll play hard and won't be a general pain in the *** since he got a huge pay raise this season. But I would be SHOCKED, if this wasn't Osi's last year as a Giant. Lets hope its another championship season.</P>


And i reject the notion that Osi is a good DE against the run. He just doesn't have the dicipline and willingness to make the tough plays that don't get a lot of attention.</P>


Its attention that Osi loves. Being a grinder in the run game isn't especially "fofilling" for Osi.</P>

slipknottin
06-04-2012, 02:30 PM
yes we know, you think Osi is horrible against the run. Clearly can not support that with any sort of "evidence", but that never stopped you before.

Osi is never a PITA on the field, he always plays hard.

You pretend that you know what is going on inside Osi's head. Which concerns me quite a bit.

Frankly, JPP needs to learn to play both sides. He should be just as if not more effective rushing from the left.

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06-04-2012, 02:31 PM
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<p class="js-tweet-text">Does Osi Umenyiora care if he starts? Not as long as the starters are JPP and Tuck. "Iíll back those guys up happily," he said. <s>#</s>NYG (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23NYG)</p>

nygsb42champs
06-04-2012, 02:32 PM
They will all get there reps. It does not matter who "starts"

slipknottin
06-04-2012, 02:32 PM
>Does Osi Umenyiora care if he starts? Not as long as the starters are JPP and Tuck. "Iíll back those guys up happily," he said.

Lets see how Morehead spins this into "Osi is clearly not happy and needs to be traded"

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06-04-2012, 02:33 PM
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<P class=js-tweet-text>Does Osi Umenyiora care if he starts? Not as long as the starters are JPP and Tuck. "Iíll back those guys up happily," he said. <S>#</S>NYG (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23NYG)</P>


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+1
So PC that even Eli couldn't have said it better. Morehead hates it ;)</P>

buddy33
06-04-2012, 02:36 PM
Lol. What a great problem to have.

I think it's fair to say that Osi is a very good DE and would start for many teams. I think it's also fair to say he shouldn't start over Tuck or JPP.

I'm sure this all a great problem to have. They all seem to like each oher.

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 02:39 PM
&gt;Does Osi Umenyiora care if he starts? Not as long as the starters are JPP and Tuck. "Iíll back those guys up happily," he said. Lets see how Morehead spins this into "Osi is clearly not happy and needs to be traded"</P>


I assume Osi is very happy because he got his money. Plus we promised not to franchise him next year so he can go find some chumps who are willing to pay him a lot of money to start.</P>


What he will realize eventually, is that he now has the advantage of having both Tuck and JPP on this team, which allows him to focus on what he does well...get the QB.</P>


Doubt very seriously he'll have that advantage anywhere else.</P>

slipknottin
06-04-2012, 02:40 PM
Doubt very seriously he'll have that advantage anywhere else.</P>

I would love to see what you do if the giants resign him for like 3 more years.

Think you may just quit posting.

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 02:46 PM
Doubt very seriously he'll have that advantage anywhere else.


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I would love to see what you do if the giants resign him for like 3 more years. Think you may just quit posting.</P>


I'd whine. Even more than I already do.</P>

Drez
06-04-2012, 02:52 PM
Plus we promised not to franchise him next year so he can go find some chumps who are willing to pay him a lot of money to start.

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GMENAGAIN
06-04-2012, 02:52 PM
&gt;Does Osi Umenyiora care if he starts? Not as long as the starters are JPP and Tuck. "Iíll back those guys up happily," he said. Lets see how Morehead spins this into "Osi is clearly not happy and needs to be traded"</P>


I assume Osi is very happy because he got his money. Plus we promised not to franchise him next year so he can go find some chumps who are willing to pay him a lot of money to start.</P>


What he will realize eventually, is that he now has the advantage of having both Tuck and JPP on this team, which allows him to focus on what he does well...get the QB.</P>


Doubt very seriously he'll have that advantage anywhere else.</P>



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I don't think that there was any promise not to franchise him . . . . </P>

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 03:03 PM
&gt;Does Osi Umenyiora care if he starts? Not as long as the starters are JPP and Tuck. "Iíll back those guys up happily," he said. Lets see how Morehead spins this into "Osi is clearly not happy and needs to be traded"</P>


I assume Osi is very happy because he got his money. Plus we promised not to franchise him next year so he can go find some chumps who are willing to pay him a lot of money to start.</P>


What he will realize eventually, is that he now has the advantage of having both Tuck and JPP on this team, which allows him to focus on what he does well...get the QB.</P>


Doubt very seriously he'll have that advantage anywhere else.</P>



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I don't think that there was any promise not to franchise him . . . . </P>


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ESPN reported that the Giants promised not to use the franchise tag on him.</P>


http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7998190/osi-umenyiora-new-york-giants-agree-restructured-deal</P>

pino
06-04-2012, 03:14 PM
Why not? You put your best men on the field. I wouldn't be surprised if Tuck, JPP, AND Osi starts. Osi is so underrated on this MB that it is sad.

Reese has already stated that he wants Osi to retire a Giant, so that tells me a long term deal is in the works this year.

Stay healthy Osi!

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 03:16 PM
Why not? You put your best men on the field. I wouldn't be surprised if Tuck, JPP, AND Osi starts. Osi is so underrated on this MB that it is sad. Reese has already stated that he wants Osi to retire a Giant, so that tells me a long term deal is in the works this year. Stay healthy Osi!</P>


JR is saying the right things but its clear that Osi will be gone after this season.</P>

pino
06-04-2012, 03:23 PM
Why not? You put your best men on the field. I wouldn't be surprised if Tuck, JPP, AND Osi starts. Osi is so underrated on this MB that it is sad. Reese has already stated that he wants Osi to retire a Giant, so that tells me a long term deal is in the works this year. Stay healthy Osi!</P>


JR is saying the right things but its clear that Osi will be gone after this season.</P>

How is it clear? There has been no indication of that.

The final year is when you make extensions. They have all season to negotiate. If he stays healthy and continues to play well, Reese will make him an offer. Whether Osi takes that offer or not is another story.

RoanokeFan
06-04-2012, 03:28 PM
Why not? You put your best men on the field. I wouldn't be surprised if Tuck, JPP, AND Osi starts. Osi is so underrated on this MB that it is sad.

Reese has already stated that he wants Osi to retire a Giant, so that tells me a long term deal is in the works this year.

Stay healthy Osi!

It doesn't seem that Reese is the obstacle to a long term deal. They offered Osi and extension which he turned down in favor of a one time windfall. We obviously don't know any of the details of the negotiations, but if Osi were as interested in retiring a GIANTS as Reese has said he is, it seems they would have struck a new long term deal.

I'm guessing Osi intends to to hit the FA market after this season and that this may well be the last year he plays for the GIANTS. A lot will factor into the final decision/offer but the team has to focus on what's best for the team going forward and if Osi makes an off the wall salary demand, Reese is not likely to be able to sign him.

We have to worry about other players like Tuck, JPP, Nicks and Cruz.

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 03:29 PM
Why not? You put your best men on the field. I wouldn't be surprised if Tuck, JPP, AND Osi starts. Osi is so underrated on this MB that it is sad. Reese has already stated that he wants Osi to retire a Giant, so that tells me a long term deal is in the works this year. Stay healthy Osi!</P>


JR is saying the right things but its clear that Osi will be gone after this season.</P>


How is it clear? There has been no indication of that. The final year is when you make extensions. They have all season to negotiate. If he stays healthy and continues to play well, Reese will make him an offer. Whether Osi takes that offer or not is another story.</P>


I strongly doubt it. Osi will be 32. And he's a pass rush specialist. Maybe he will see that and come to understand that he needs guys like Tuck and JPP to keep him fresh for passing situations.</P>


But his ego probably won't have any of that either. Everyone is saying the right things, but it seems to me by the fact that this does NOT extend him beyond this season indicates that he will be elsewhere in 2013.</P>


I understand if you think or hope differently. Thats fine. But this is the distinct impression I get from this entire Osi debacle.</P>

Gianthunter
06-04-2012, 03:36 PM
Alot of money to swim upstream away from the play.

Drez
06-04-2012, 03:39 PM
&gt;Does Osi Umenyiora care if he starts? Not as long as the starters are JPP and Tuck. "Iíll back those guys up happily," he said. Lets see how Morehead spins this into "Osi is clearly not happy and needs to be traded"</p>


I assume Osi is very happy because he got his money. Plus we promised not to franchise him next year so he can go find some chumps who are willing to pay him a lot of money to start.</p>


What he will realize eventually, is that he now has the advantage of having both Tuck and JPP on this team, which allows him to focus on what he does well...get the QB.</p>


Doubt very seriously he'll have that advantage anywhere else.</p>



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I don't think that there was any promise not to franchise him . . . . </p>


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ESPN reported that the Giants promised not to use the franchise tag on him.</p>


http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7998190/osi-umenyiora-new-york-giants-agree-restructured-deal</p>
<div class="stream-item-header" style="color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 18px; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); "><strong class="fullname js-action-profile-name show-popup-with-id" style="font-weight: bold; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); ">Ralph Vacchiano[/b]<span class="Apple-converted-space"></span><span>?</span><span class="username js-action-profile-name" style="font-size: 12px; color: rgb(153, 153, 153); direction: ltr; unicode-bidi: embed; "><s style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(187, 187, 187); ">@</s><b style="font-weight: normal; ">TheBlueScreen[/b]</span> (https://twitter.com/#%21/TheBlueScreen)</div><p class="js-tweet-text" style="margin: 0px; word-wrap: break-word; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 18px; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); ">Osi says he did not get any promise that the<span class="Apple-converted-space"></span><s style="text-decoration: none; color: rgb(102, 181, 210); ">#</s><b style="font-weight: normal; color: inherit; ">NYG[/b] (https://twitter.com/#%21/search/%23NYG)<span class="Apple-converted-space"></span>won't use the franchise tag on him. And if they do? "I'll be happy," he said.</p><div class="stream-item-footer" style="overflow: hidden; font-size: 12px; padding-top: 1px; color: rgb(51, 51, 51); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 18px; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(245, 245, 245); "><span class="details-icon js-icon-container"></span><b style="font-weight: normal; color: rgb(0, 132, 180); "><span class="expand-stream-item js-view-details"><span class="expand-action-wrapper" style="color: rgb(0, 132, 180); ">Expand</span></span>[/b] (https://twitter.com/TheBlueScreen/status/209684227262922753)<ul class="tweet-actions js-actions" style="padding: 0px; margin: 0px; list-style: none; opacity: 1; "><li class="action-reply-container" style="display: inline; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"></span><b style="font-weight: normal; color: inherit; ">Reply[/b]<span class="Apple-converted-space"></span> (https://twitter.com/#)<li class="action-rt-container" style="display: inline; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"></span><b style="font-weight: normal; color: inherit; "><span class="retweet" title="Retweet">Retweet</span>[/b]<span class="Apple-converted-space"></span> (https://twitter.com/#)<li class="action-fav-container" style="display: inline; "><span class="Apple-converted-space"></span><b style="font-weight: normal; color: inherit; "><span class="favorite" title="Favorite">Favorite</span>[/b] (https://twitter.com/#)[/list]</div>

Drez
06-04-2012, 03:39 PM
Why not? You put your best men on the field. I wouldn't be surprised if Tuck, JPP, AND Osi starts. Osi is so underrated on this MB that it is sad. Reese has already stated that he wants Osi to retire a Giant, so that tells me a long term deal is in the works this year. Stay healthy Osi!</p>


JR is saying the right things but its clear that Osi will be gone after this season.</p>


How is it clear? There has been no indication of that. The final year is when you make extensions. They have all season to negotiate. If he stays healthy and continues to play well, Reese will make him an offer. Whether Osi takes that offer or not is another story.</p>


I strongly doubt it. Osi will be 32. And he's a pass rush specialist. Maybe he will see that and come to understand that he needs guys like Tuck and JPP to keep him fresh for passing situations.</p>


But his ego probably won't have any of that either. Everyone is saying the right things, but it seems to me by the fact that this does NOT extend him beyond this season indicates that he will be elsewhere in 2013.</p>


I understand if you think or hope differently. Thats fine. But this is the distinct impression I get from this entire Osi debacle.</p>

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Drez
06-04-2012, 03:40 PM
Why not? You put your best men on the field. I wouldn't be surprised if Tuck, JPP, AND Osi starts. Osi is so underrated on this MB that it is sad. Reese has already stated that he wants Osi to retire a Giant, so that tells me a long term deal is in the works this year. Stay healthy Osi!</p>


JR is saying the right things but its clear that Osi will be gone after this season.</p>


How is it clear? There has been no indication of that. The final year is when you make extensions. They have all season to negotiate. If he stays healthy and continues to play well, Reese will make him an offer. Whether Osi takes that offer or not is another story.</p>


I strongly doubt it. Osi will be 32. And he's a pass rush specialist. Maybe he will see that and come to understand that he needs guys like Tuck and JPP to keep him fresh for passing situations.</p>


But his ego probably won't have any of that either. Everyone is saying the right things, but it seems to me by the fact that this does NOT extend him beyond this season indicates that he will be elsewhere in 2013.</p>


I understand if you think or hope differently. Thats fine. But this is the distinct impression I get from this entire Osi debacle.</p>

<div class="post_main_body plm" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 10px; color: rgb(93, 93, 93); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 19px; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(238, 238, 238); "><h3 class="author_name" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; font-size: 16px; font-weight: normal; ">Ralph Vacchiano (http://sulia.com/source/S-46381)</h3></div><div class="small_text light_text plm" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 10px; font-size: 12px; color: rgb(173, 173, 173); font-weight: normal; font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(238, 238, 238); ">Also in<span class="Apple-converted-space"></span><span class="strong" style="font-weight: bold; ">New York Giants (http://sulia.com/channel/new-york-giants/f/e2737b77-d983-45c5-afa6-cc7c52d316f3/)</span></div><div class="media plm" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px 0px 0px 10px; color: rgb(93, 93, 93); font-family: 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: 19px; orphans: 2; text-align: -webkit-auto; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(238, 238, 238); "><div class="bd" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; display: table-cell; width: 570px; zoom: 1; "><ul class="vertical_list tiny_spacing" style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; list-style-type: none; "><li style="margin: 0px; padding: 0px; list-style: none; ">Osi Umenyiora said he understood "there was no way they were going to be able to give me a contract extension in line of what other people were getting. You obviously have Justin and JP coming up and you would have three defensive ends making a ridiculous amount of money. You put your franchise in a very (difficult) position. There was no way they were going to be able to give me an extension. All we pretty much were discussing was what can be done for this year." #NYG<li style="margin: 2px 0px 0px; padding: 0px; list-style: none; "><time class="timeago" datetime="2012-06-04 17:22:37+00:00" data-timestamp="1338830557">about an hour ago</time> (http://sulia.com/post/all-sports/e2737b77-d983-45c5-afa6-cc7c52d316f3/)[/list]</div></div>

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Morehead State
06-04-2012, 03:42 PM
Why not? You put your best men on the field. I wouldn't be surprised if Tuck, JPP, AND Osi starts. Osi is so underrated on this MB that it is sad. Reese has already stated that he wants Osi to retire a Giant, so that tells me a long term deal is in the works this year. Stay healthy Osi!</P>


JR is saying the right things but its clear that Osi will be gone after this season.</P>


How is it clear? There has been no indication of that. The final year is when you make extensions. They have all season to negotiate. If he stays healthy and continues to play well, Reese will make him an offer. Whether Osi takes that offer or not is another story.</P>


I strongly doubt it. Osi will be 32. And he's a pass rush specialist. Maybe he will see that and come to understand that he needs guys like Tuck and JPP to keep him fresh for passing situations.</P>


But his ego probably won't have any of that either. Everyone is saying the right things, but it seems to me by the fact that this does NOT extend him beyond this season indicates that he will be elsewhere in 2013.</P>


I understand if you think or hope differently. Thats fine. But this is the distinct impression I get from this entire Osi debacle.</P>


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<LI style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: none; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">Osi Umenyiora said he understood "there was no way they were going to be able to give me a contract extension in line of what other people were getting. You obviously have Justin and JP coming up and you would have three defensive ends making a ridiculous amount of money. You put your franchise in a very (difficult) position. There was no way they were going to be able to give me an extension. All we pretty much were discussing was what can be done for this year." #NYG
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<LI style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: none; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">Osi Umenyiora isn't upset that the #NYG seemingly have made Tuck and JPP a financial priority. "If I was them Iíd do the same thing. Obviously you have Tuck who is the face of the franchise, and then you have JPP whoís a young phenom. You know, obviously Iím still a very good football player but you canít pay all of us. You canít pay us all that kind of money. Thereís just no way you can do that. Youíre going to hamstring your franchise. So I would make the exact same decisions if I was them."
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Looks even more likely he'll be gone after this season.</P>

Gianthunter
06-04-2012, 03:45 PM
Osi said Giants did offer a multi-year deal but he preferred one-year and become free agent. Plans to re-hire agent Tony Agnone
https://twitter.com/NotoriousOHM/status/209686422372892673

RoanokeFan
06-04-2012, 03:46 PM
&gt;Does Osi Umenyiora care if he starts? Not as long as the starters are JPP and Tuck. "Iíll back those guys up happily," he said. Lets see how Morehead spins this into "Osi is clearly not happy and needs to be traded"</p>


I assume Osi is very happy because he got his money. Plus we promised not to franchise him next year so he can go find some chumps who are willing to pay him a lot of money to start.</p>


What he will realize eventually, is that he now has the advantage of having both Tuck and JPP on this team, which allows him to focus on what he does well...get the QB.</p>


Doubt very seriously he'll have that advantage anywhere else.</p>



</p>


I don't think that there was any promise not to franchise him . . . . </p>


</p>


ESPN reported that the Giants promised not to use the franchise tag on him.</p>


http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7998190/osi-umenyiora-new-york-giants-agree-restructured-deal</p>
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If I were Osi I'd be thrilled to have the franchise tag applied. The problem is Osi is a pass rushing specialist. Does he deserve the average salary of the top 5 defensive ends in the NFL when he's playing in support of Tuck and JPP?

I'm not sure Reese is going to think so. A lot will depend on how Canty and Austin play this year as part of the DLine but I don't see Osi knocking either Tuck or JPP out of the rotation. It could happen, but how likely is it?

Drez
06-04-2012, 03:48 PM
Why not? You put your best men on the field. I wouldn't be surprised if Tuck, JPP, AND Osi starts. Osi is so underrated on this MB that it is sad. Reese has already stated that he wants Osi to retire a Giant, so that tells me a long term deal is in the works this year. Stay healthy Osi!</p>


JR is saying the right things but its clear that Osi will be gone after this season.</p>


How is it clear? There has been no indication of that. The final year is when you make extensions. They have all season to negotiate. If he stays healthy and continues to play well, Reese will make him an offer. Whether Osi takes that offer or not is another story.</p>


I strongly doubt it. Osi will be 32. And he's a pass rush specialist. Maybe he will see that and come to understand that he needs guys like Tuck and JPP to keep him fresh for passing situations.</p>


But his ego probably won't have any of that either. Everyone is saying the right things, but it seems to me by the fact that this does NOT extend him beyond this season indicates that he will be elsewhere in 2013.</p>


I understand if you think or hope differently. Thats fine. But this is the distinct impression I get from this entire Osi debacle.</p>


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<li style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: none; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">Osi Umenyiora said he understood "there was no way they were going to be able to give me a contract extension in line of what other people were getting. You obviously have Justin and JP coming up and you would have three defensive ends making a ridiculous amount of money. You put your franchise in a very (difficult) position. There was no way they were going to be able to give me an extension. All we pretty much were discussing was what can be done for this year." #NYG
<li style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: none; MARGIN: 2px 0px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px"><time class="timeago" data-timestamp="1338830557" datetime="2012-06-04 17:22:37+00:00">about an hour ago</time> (http://sulia.com/post/all-sports/e2737b77-d983-45c5-afa6-cc7c52d316f3/)[/list]</div></div>


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<li style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: none; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">Osi Umenyiora isn't upset that the #NYG seemingly have made Tuck and JPP a financial priority. "If I was them Iíd do the same thing. Obviously you have Tuck who is the face of the franchise, and then you have JPP whoís a young phenom. You know, obviously Iím still a very good football player but you canít pay all of us. You canít pay us all that kind of money. Thereís just no way you can do that. Youíre going to hamstring your franchise. So I would make the exact same decisions if I was them."
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Looks even more likely he'll be gone after this season.</p>
Yup. But, not because Osi's ego couldn't handle anything. Both sides know that we can't give Osi, Tuck, JPP, Cruz, Nicks, et al. all the money they deserve. The money just isn't there to do it.

RoanokeFan
06-04-2012, 03:50 PM
Why not? You put your best men on the field. I wouldn't be surprised if Tuck, JPP, AND Osi starts. Osi is so underrated on this MB that it is sad. Reese has already stated that he wants Osi to retire a Giant, so that tells me a long term deal is in the works this year. Stay healthy Osi!</p>


JR is saying the right things but its clear that Osi will be gone after this season.</p>


How is it clear? There has been no indication of that. The final year is when you make extensions. They have all season to negotiate. If he stays healthy and continues to play well, Reese will make him an offer. Whether Osi takes that offer or not is another story.</p>


I strongly doubt it. Osi will be 32. And he's a pass rush specialist. Maybe he will see that and come to understand that he needs guys like Tuck and JPP to keep him fresh for passing situations.</p>


But his ego probably won't have any of that either. Everyone is saying the right things, but it seems to me by the fact that this does NOT extend him beyond this season indicates that he will be elsewhere in 2013.</p>


I understand if you think or hope differently. Thats fine. But this is the distinct impression I get from this entire Osi debacle.</p>


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<li style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: none; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">Osi Umenyiora said he understood "there was no way they were going to be able to give me a contract extension in line of what other people were getting. You obviously have Justin and JP coming up and you would have three defensive ends making a ridiculous amount of money. You put your franchise in a very (difficult) position. There was no way they were going to be able to give me an extension. All we pretty much were discussing was what can be done for this year." #NYG
<li style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: none; MARGIN: 2px 0px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px"><time class="timeago" data-timestamp="1338830557" datetime="2012-06-04 17:22:37+00:00">about an hour ago</time> (http://sulia.com/post/all-sports/e2737b77-d983-45c5-afa6-cc7c52d316f3/)[/list]</div></div>


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<li style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: none; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">Osi Umenyiora isn't upset that the #NYG seemingly have made Tuck and JPP a financial priority. "If I was them Iíd do the same thing. Obviously you have Tuck who is the face of the franchise, and then you have JPP whoís a young phenom. You know, obviously Iím still a very good football player but you canít pay all of us. You canít pay us all that kind of money. Thereís just no way you can do that. Youíre going to hamstring your franchise. So I would make the exact same decisions if I was them."
<li style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: none; MARGIN: 2px 0px 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; COLOR: rgb(173,173,173); FONT-SIZE: 12px; FONT-WEIGHT: normal; PADDING-TOP: 0px" class="small_text light_text"><time class="timeago" data-timestamp="1338830073" datetime="2012-06-04 17:14:33+00:00">about an hour ago</time>[/list]</div></div>



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Looks even more likely he'll be gone after this season.</p>
Yup. But, not because Osi's ego couldn't handle anything. Both sides know that we can't give Osi, Tuck, JPP, Cruz, Nicks, et al. all the money they deserve. The money just isn't there to do it.


And Osi probably sees FA as his last chance at a long terms contract somewhere else.

Coach Carter
06-04-2012, 03:56 PM
Great pass rusher and not much more.* He gets away with that because we have Tuck and JPP to do the dirty work.*

Osi is a fine run defender. Not as good as JPP or Tuck, but still good.

But you are an Osi hater, so you will never believe that.

Leave it alone, it is personal with that guy.

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 04:00 PM
Why not? You put your best men on the field. I wouldn't be surprised if Tuck, JPP, AND Osi starts. Osi is so underrated on this MB that it is sad. Reese has already stated that he wants Osi to retire a Giant, so that tells me a long term deal is in the works this year. Stay healthy Osi!</P>


JR is saying the right things but its clear that Osi will be gone after this season.</P>


How is it clear? There has been no indication of that. The final year is when you make extensions. They have all season to negotiate. If he stays healthy and continues to play well, Reese will make him an offer. Whether Osi takes that offer or not is another story.</P>


I strongly doubt it. Osi will be 32. And he's a pass rush specialist. Maybe he will see that and come to understand that he needs guys like Tuck and JPP to keep him fresh for passing situations.</P>


But his ego probably won't have any of that either. Everyone is saying the right things, but it seems to me by the fact that this does NOT extend him beyond this season indicates that he will be elsewhere in 2013.</P>


I understand if you think or hope differently. Thats fine. But this is the distinct impression I get from this entire Osi debacle.</P>


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<LI style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: none; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">Osi Umenyiora said he understood "there was no way they were going to be able to give me a contract extension in line of what other people were getting. You obviously have Justin and JP coming up and you would have three defensive ends making a ridiculous amount of money. You put your franchise in a very (difficult) position. There was no way they were going to be able to give me an extension. All we pretty much were discussing was what can be done for this year." #NYG
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<LI style="PADDING-BOTTOM: 0px; LIST-STYLE-TYPE: none; MARGIN: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 0px; PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-TOP: 0px">Osi Umenyiora isn't upset that the #NYG seemingly have made Tuck and JPP a financial priority. "If I was them Iíd do the same thing. Obviously you have Tuck who is the face of the franchise, and then you have JPP whoís a young phenom. You know, obviously Iím still a very good football player but you canít pay all of us. You canít pay us all that kind of money. Thereís just no way you can do that. Youíre going to hamstring your franchise. So I would make the exact same decisions if I was them."
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Looks even more likely he'll be gone after this season.</P>



Yup. But, not because Osi's ego couldn't handle anything. Both sides know that we can't give Osi, Tuck, JPP, Cruz, Nicks, et al. all the money they deserve. The money just isn't there to do it.
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Osi wants to start and be paid as a starter. he won't get that long term with us. he knows it. Clearly some stuff went on that we don't know regarding the firing of his agent. Point is that we need him to play and shut up this year so we did a tricky little deal to pay him more and not hurt us in the cap this season.</P>


Don't take what everyone is saying as Gospel. Everyone is preeching the company line, including Osi. because its not in his interest to do anything more since he got the pay hike. And I wouldn't put too much in his claim that they never promised not to franchise him. They could have told him that they had no intention of franchising him, due to the two DE's ahead of him in the depth charts. Anything is possible at this point.</P>


The bottom line is, this redo of the last year of his existing deal seems to be a way to get throught this season without any more drama. He'll undoubtedly go FA and see what kind of deal he can get. I suppose its always possible that no team would give him what he thinks he's worth, and he'll come back here for a lot less.</P>


Who knows.</P>

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 04:01 PM
Great pass rusher and not much more. He gets away with that because we have Tuck and JPP to do the dirty work. Osi is a fine run defender. Not as good as JPP or Tuck, but still good. But you are an Osi hater, so you will never believe that. Leave it alone, it is personal with that guy.</P>


I'm sorry..do I have some personal relationship with Osi that I don't know about?</P>


Please stop.....the adults are talking now.</P>

Coach Carter
06-04-2012, 04:09 PM
Great pass rusher and not much more.* He gets away with that because we have Tuck and JPP to do the dirty work.* Osi is a fine run defender. Not as good as JPP or Tuck, but still good. But you are an Osi hater, so you will never believe that. Leave it alone, it is personal with that guy.</P>


I'm sorry..do I have some personal relationship with Osi that I don't know about?</P>


Please stop.....the adults are talking now.</P>

That is the problem, you are a grown man with two adult daughters, yet you're reacting to Osi like a villain from your from favorite soap opera or reality television show.

Grow up man, Osi was a stud before Tuck started contributing and before JPP started playing football in college.

Dude fired his agent to remain on the team, yet you choose to call him selfish and you referred to his contract situation as a "debacle." That is laughable considering the number of Osi's teammate who were making public statements supporting Osi, stating his importance to the team, and his desire for more money.

Also, you need to watch more film, Osi DOES line up over the RT, he even had a sack rushing from the LE position.

I'm not going to even discuss Osi's ability to stop the run because you're completely emotional. You may need an old school hysterectomy. Look it up.

Mod_C
06-04-2012, 04:11 PM
Great pass rusher and not much more. He gets away with that because we have Tuck and JPP to do the dirty work. Osi is a fine run defender. Not as good as JPP or Tuck, but still good. But you are an Osi hater, so you will never believe that. Leave it alone, it is personal with that guy.</p>


I'm sorry..do I have some personal relationship with Osi that I don't know about?</p>


Please stop.....the adults are talking now.</p>

That is the problem, you are a grown man with two adult daughters, yet you're reacting to Osi like a villain from your from favorite soap opera or reality television show.

Grow up man, Osi was a stud before Tuck started contributing and before JPP started playing football in college.

Dude fired his agent to remain on the team, yet you choose to call him selfish and you referred to his contract situation as a "debacle." That is laughable considering the number of Osi's teammate who were making public statements supporting Osi, stating his importance to the team, and his desire for more money.

Also, you need to watch more film, Osi DOES line up over the RT, he even had a sack rushing from the LE position.

I'm not going to even discuss Osi's ability to stop the run because you're completely emotional. You may need an old school hysterectomy. Look it up.

Everyone, make your point without attacking other posters.

Coach Carter
06-04-2012, 04:15 PM
Great pass rusher and not much more.* He gets away with that because we have Tuck and JPP to do the dirty work.* Osi is a fine run defender. Not as good as JPP or Tuck, but still good. But you are an Osi hater, so you will never believe that. Leave it alone, it is personal with that guy.</p>


I'm sorry..do I have some personal relationship with Osi that I don't know about?</p>


Please stop.....the adults are talking now.</p>

That is the problem, you are a grown man with two adult daughters, yet you're reacting to Osi like a villain from your from favorite soap opera or reality television show.

Grow up man, Osi was a stud before Tuck started contributing and before JPP started playing football in college.

Dude fired his agent to remain on the team, yet you choose to call him selfish and you referred to his contract situation as a "debacle." That is laughable considering the number of Osi's teammate who were making public statements supporting Osi, stating his importance to the team, and his desire for more money.

Also, you need to watch more film, Osi DOES line up over the RT, he even had a sack rushing from the LE position.

I'm not going to even discuss Osi's ability to stop the run because you're completely emotional. You may need an old school hysterectomy. Look it up.

Everyone, make your point without attacking other posters.


Thank you.

Drez
06-04-2012, 04:16 PM
Great pass rusher and not much more. He gets away with that because we have Tuck and JPP to do the dirty work. Osi is a fine run defender. Not as good as JPP or Tuck, but still good. But you are an Osi hater, so you will never believe that. Leave it alone, it is personal with that guy.</p>


I'm sorry..do I have some personal relationship with Osi that I don't know about?</p>


Please stop.....the adults are talking now.</p>

That is the problem, you are a grown man with two adult daughters, yet you're reacting to Osi like a villain from your from favorite soap opera or reality television show.

Grow up man, Osi was a stud before Tuck started contributing and before JPP started playing football in college.

Dude fired his agent to remain on the team, yet you choose to call him selfish and you referred to his contract situation as a "debacle." That is laughable considering the number of Osi's teammate who were making public statements supporting Osi, stating his importance to the team, and his desire for more money.

Also, you need to watch more film, Osi DOES line up over the RT, he even had a sack rushing from the LE position.

I'm not going to even discuss Osi's ability to stop the run because you're completely emotional. You may need an old school hysterectomy. Look it up.
I find the fact that you are calling out another poster about it being "personal" with Osi as completely laughable.

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 04:19 PM
Great pass rusher and not much more. He gets away with that because we have Tuck and JPP to do the dirty work. Osi is a fine run defender. Not as good as JPP or Tuck, but still good. But you are an Osi hater, so you will never believe that. Leave it alone, it is personal with that guy.</P>


I'm sorry..do I have some personal relationship with Osi that I don't know about?</P>


Please stop.....the adults are talking now.</P>


That is the problem, you are a grown man with two adult daughters, yet you're reacting to Osi like a villain from your from favorite soap opera or reality television show. Grow up man, Osi was a stud before Tuck started contributing and before JPP started playing football in college. Dude fired his agent to remain on the team, yet you choose to call him selfish and you referred to his contract situation as a "debacle." That is laughable considering the number of Osi's teammate who were making public statements supporting Osi, stating his importance to the team, and his desire for more money. Also, you need to watch more film, Osi DOES line up over the RT, he even had a sack rushing from the LE position. I'm not going to even discuss Osi's ability to stop the run because you're completely emotional. You may need an old school hysterectomy. Look it up.</P>


First of all, my children have no bearing on Osi at all. Second of all, regardless of what we think of Osi's abilities on the field, he HAS been a constant malcontent. The guy is never happy. Even going so far as to call JR a liar. So JR did what he had to do to get this last season out of Osi without any drama. Good for JR.</P>


And its not just me who thinks Osi stinks against the run. Its our coaching staff who doesn't play him very much at all in running situations. Its our coaches who benched Osi. Its Tuck and JPP doing the grunt work. Osi comes in all refreshed ready to rush the QB. And thats fine with me. Despite the fact that Osi's play is "uneven" against the run, he does the most important thing that a DE can do, and thats get to the QB. I have no problem with that. If it helps the team to keep Osi fresh and not have him tire or risk injury by doing what he doesn't do well anyway...I'm great with that. It helps my team win.</P>


As far as his teammates go, he's got great ones who will support one of their own. Thats one of the reasons we are champions. I have no problem with that either.</P>


And the more Osi plays left DE the better with me. I'd much rather see JPP, who is about to become the best DE in football (if he isn't already) on the right side.</P>


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Morehead State
06-04-2012, 04:21 PM
Great pass rusher and not much more. He gets away with that because we have Tuck and JPP to do the dirty work. Osi is a fine run defender. Not as good as JPP or Tuck, but still good. But you are an Osi hater, so you will never believe that. Leave it alone, it is personal with that guy.</P>


I'm sorry..do I have some personal relationship with Osi that I don't know about?</P>


Please stop.....the adults are talking now.</P>


That is the problem, you are a grown man with two adult daughters, yet you're reacting to Osi like a villain from your from favorite soap opera or reality television show. Grow up man, Osi was a stud before Tuck started contributing and before JPP started playing football in college. Dude fired his agent to remain on the team, yet you choose to call him selfish and you referred to his contract situation as a "debacle." That is laughable considering the number of Osi's teammate who were making public statements supporting Osi, stating his importance to the team, and his desire for more money. Also, you need to watch more film, Osi DOES line up over the RT, he even had a sack rushing from the LE position. I'm not going to even discuss Osi's ability to stop the run because you're completely emotional. You may need an old school hysterectomy. Look it up.

Everyone, make your point without attacking other posters.
Thank you.</P>


We're talking about a Giants player and his impact on our team. Bringing my personal life into it is highly inappropriate.</P>

Coach Carter
06-04-2012, 04:27 PM
Great pass rusher and not much more.* He gets away with that because we have Tuck and JPP to do the dirty work.* Osi is a fine run defender. Not as good as JPP or Tuck, but still good. But you are an Osi hater, so you will never believe that. Leave it alone, it is personal with that guy.</p>


I'm sorry..do I have some personal relationship with Osi that I don't know about?</p>


Please stop.....the adults are talking now.</p>

That is the problem, you are a grown man with two adult daughters, yet you're reacting to Osi like a villain from your from favorite soap opera or reality television show.

Grow up man, Osi was a stud before Tuck started contributing and before JPP started playing football in college.

Dude fired his agent to remain on the team, yet you choose to call him selfish and you referred to his contract situation as a "debacle." That is laughable considering the number of Osi's teammate who were making public statements supporting Osi, stating his importance to the team, and his desire for more money.

Also, you need to watch more film, Osi DOES line up over the RT, he even had a sack rushing from the LE position.

I'm not going to even discuss Osi's ability to stop the run because you're completely emotional. You may need an old school hysterectomy. Look it up.
I find the fact that you are calling out another poster about it being "personal" with Osi as completely laughable.


Well, Iplayed DE in hs and I became a Giants fan due to the play of LT. After he retired and the Giants switched to a 4-4, I watched Strahan and then Bradske emerge, I watched develop Osi as a second round pick from a small school, saw an unheralded 3rd round pick out of ND become a stud and a young Haitian who recently started playing football quickly become a reincarnation of LT.

So it just isn't about Osi, I am a defensive lineman and I watch the defensive line, especially the ends.

I'll end with this, if Rogers gets the push up the middle (that the Giants defensive line has been lacking for years), all our defensive ends will be beyond dominant. That big boy just needs to walk the center or guard back into the qb on every play.

Drez
06-04-2012, 04:29 PM
And Osi probably sees FA as his last chance at a long terms contract somewhere else.


I'm sure he does. He knows that he can't get the kind of contract he wants with us. No matter how much the FO and Osi would like for it to happen both sides know that there just isn't the money to go around.

This deal was a nice compromise. Osi gets a deserved bump in his pay this season. We get a happy and focused Osi for the season. Both the team (FO, coaches, and other players) and Osi get to avoid the contract questions all year while we attempt to repeat.

Coach Carter
06-04-2012, 04:29 PM
Great pass rusher and not much more.* He gets away with that because we have Tuck and JPP to do the dirty work.* Osi is a fine run defender. Not as good as JPP or Tuck, but still good. But you are an Osi hater, so you will never believe that. Leave it alone, it is personal with that guy.</P>


I'm sorry..do I have some personal relationship with Osi that I don't know about?</P>


Please stop.....the adults are talking now.</P>


That is the problem, you are a grown man with two adult daughters, yet you're reacting to Osi like a villain from your from favorite soap opera or reality television show. Grow up man, Osi was a stud before Tuck started contributing and before JPP started playing football in college. Dude fired his agent to remain on the team, yet you choose to call him selfish and you referred to his contract situation as a "debacle." That is laughable considering the number of Osi's teammate who were making public statements supporting Osi, stating his importance to the team, and his desire for more money. Also, you need to watch more film, Osi DOES line up over the RT, he even had a sack rushing from the LE position. I'm not going to even discuss Osi's ability to stop the run because you're completely emotional. You may need an old school hysterectomy. Look it up.

Everyone, make your point without attacking other posters.
Thank you.</P>


We're talking about a Giants player and his impact on our team.* Bringing my personal life into it is highly inappropriate.</P>

Man, I was not using that to insult you, I was using it to indicate your age. You told me that you have two daughters who live in England in a prior post. I had no idea you were that old, I though you were an under thirty dude. No insult meant to you and your family.

gmen0820
06-04-2012, 04:30 PM
That's fine. JPP can benefit from a lower snap count.

I just hope everyone stays healthy, then the DL can reap the full benefits of having such exceptional depth.

Harooni
06-04-2012, 04:34 PM
Osi is a starter. Hes an all-pro DE.</p>


If memory serves me he's only been selected for 2 pro bowls in his entire career. Plus he's definately not starting with us. He's a pass rush specialist but not an every down DE.</p>


I don't want to start another debate but your statement is rediculous.</p>
two message board legends providing entertainment , cant beat it. [Y]

Drez
06-04-2012, 04:37 PM
Great pass rusher and not much more. He gets away with that because we have Tuck and JPP to do the dirty work. Osi is a fine run defender. Not as good as JPP or Tuck, but still good. But you are an Osi hater, so you will never believe that. Leave it alone, it is personal with that guy.</p>


I'm sorry..do I have some personal relationship with Osi that I don't know about?</p>


Please stop.....the adults are talking now.</p>

That is the problem, you are a grown man with two adult daughters, yet you're reacting to Osi like a villain from your from favorite soap opera or reality television show.

Grow up man, Osi was a stud before Tuck started contributing and before JPP started playing football in college.

Dude fired his agent to remain on the team, yet you choose to call him selfish and you referred to his contract situation as a "debacle." That is laughable considering the number of Osi's teammate who were making public statements supporting Osi, stating his importance to the team, and his desire for more money.

Also, you need to watch more film, Osi DOES line up over the RT, he even had a sack rushing from the LE position.

I'm not going to even discuss Osi's ability to stop the run because you're completely emotional. You may need an old school hysterectomy. Look it up.
I find the fact that you are calling out another poster about it being "personal" with Osi as completely laughable.


Well, Iplayed DE in hs and I became a Giants fan due to the play of LT. After he retired and the Giants switched to a 4-4, I watched Strahan and then Bradske emerge, I watched develop Osi as a second round pick from a small school, saw an unheralded 3rd round pick out of ND become a stud and a young Haitian who recently started playing football quickly become a reincarnation of LT.

So it just isn't about Osi, I am a defensive lineman and I watch the defensive line, especially the ends.

I'll end with this, if Rogers gets the push up the middle (that the Giants defensive line has been lacking for years), all our defensive ends will be beyond dominant. That big boy just needs to walk the center or guard back into the qb on every play.
I played OT and DT in school, so I'm all about lineplay, lol.

However, MS does have a point in that Osi has always had a dominant player playing the other side. While I think Osi would have done very well regardless, it's naive to say that that has not helped him.

Rogers probably won't see more than 30% of the snaps in a game. He's gotten older and needs his snap count managed. Let's just hope they're a highly productive 20%-30% of the snaps.

FBomb
06-04-2012, 04:38 PM
<STRONG class="fullname js-action-profile-name show-popup-with-id">Tom Rock[/b] <SPAN>?</SPAN><SPAN class="username js-action-profile-name"><S>@</S>TomRock_Newsday</SPAN> (https://twitter.com/#%21/TomRock_Newsday)
<P class=js-tweet-text>Osi playing DE with first team.</P>
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he isnt a starter, but its interesting they have him with the first team. sure only ota's but its kind of odd.
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lol.....I was down on Osi but I never diminished his skills. It's a rotation. He will gets snaps IN GAME with the first team.....practicing that is a good thing. This is not odd.</P>


"Isn't a starter" is meaningless and he's good enough to be a starter elsewhere.</P>

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 04:40 PM
Great pass rusher and not much more. He gets away with that because we have Tuck and JPP to do the dirty work. Osi is a fine run defender. Not as good as JPP or Tuck, but still good. But you are an Osi hater, so you will never believe that. Leave it alone, it is personal with that guy.</P>


I'm sorry..do I have some personal relationship with Osi that I don't know about?</P>


Please stop.....the adults are talking now.</P>


That is the problem, you are a grown man with two adult daughters, yet you're reacting to Osi like a villain from your from favorite soap opera or reality television show. Grow up man, Osi was a stud before Tuck started contributing and before JPP started playing football in college. Dude fired his agent to remain on the team, yet you choose to call him selfish and you referred to his contract situation as a "debacle." That is laughable considering the number of Osi's teammate who were making public statements supporting Osi, stating his importance to the team, and his desire for more money. Also, you need to watch more film, Osi DOES line up over the RT, he even had a sack rushing from the LE position. I'm not going to even discuss Osi's ability to stop the run because you're completely emotional. You may need an old school hysterectomy. Look it up.

Everyone, make your point without attacking other posters.
Thank you.</P>


We're talking about a Giants player and his impact on our team. Bringing my personal life into it is highly inappropriate.</P>


Man, I was not using that to insult you, I was using it to indicate your age. You told me that you have two daughters who live in England in a prior post. I had no idea you were that old, I though you were an under thirty dude. No insult meant to you and your family.</P>


OK no offense taken.</P>


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Oh yeah...you're the guy who said that Osi is sophisticated because he was born in the UK. That was a funny one.</P>

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 04:42 PM
Great pass rusher and not much more. He gets away with that because we have Tuck and JPP to do the dirty work. Osi is a fine run defender. Not as good as JPP or Tuck, but still good. But you are an Osi hater, so you will never believe that. Leave it alone, it is personal with that guy.</P>


I'm sorry..do I have some personal relationship with Osi that I don't know about?</P>


Please stop.....the adults are talking now.</P>


That is the problem, you are a grown man with two adult daughters, yet you're reacting to Osi like a villain from your from favorite soap opera or reality television show. Grow up man, Osi was a stud before Tuck started contributing and before JPP started playing football in college. Dude fired his agent to remain on the team, yet you choose to call him selfish and you referred to his contract situation as a "debacle." That is laughable considering the number of Osi's teammate who were making public statements supporting Osi, stating his importance to the team, and his desire for more money. Also, you need to watch more film, Osi DOES line up over the RT, he even had a sack rushing from the LE position. I'm not going to even discuss Osi's ability to stop the run because you're completely emotional. You may need an old school hysterectomy. Look it up.
I find the fact that you are calling out another poster about it being "personal" with Osi as completely laughable.
Well, Iplayed DE in hs and I became a Giants fan due to the play of LT. After he retired and the Giants switched to a 4-4, I watched Strahan and then Bradske emerge, I watched develop Osi as a second round pick from a small school, saw an unheralded 3rd round pick out of ND become a stud and a young Haitian who recently started playing football quickly become a reincarnation of LT. So it just isn't about Osi, I am a defensive lineman and I watch the defensive line, especially the ends. I'll end with this, if Rogers gets the push up the middle (that the Giants defensive line has been lacking for years), all our defensive ends will be beyond dominant. That big boy just needs to walk the center or guard back into the qb on every play.
I played OT and DT in school, so I'm all about lineplay, lol.

However, MS does have a point in that Osi has always had a dominant player playing the other side. While I think Osi would have done very well regardless, it's naive to say that that has not helped him.

Rogers probably won't see more than 30% of the snaps in a game. He's gotten older and needs his snap count managed. Let's just hope they're a highly productive 20%-30% of the snaps.
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Yeah we should have a really nice rotation at DT. Especially if Austin is healthy.</P>

Gianthunter
06-04-2012, 05:26 PM
Funny ish is the man fired his agent and turned down a multi-year deal hmmmmmmmmmm just acowinkey-dink I quess.

Drez
06-04-2012, 05:55 PM
Funny ish is the man fired his agent and turned down a multi-year deal hmmmmmmmmmm just acowinkey-dink I quess.

How is it funny? Agnone wouldn't let Osi sign the deal he did, so Osi let him go for the time being. If I were Osi, I wouldn't want to pay commission on a contract that my agent refused to sign off on.Osi fully plans on rehiring him for future negotiations with the Giants and other teams.

I'm sure any multi-year deal was not close to what Osi was looking for, regardless of his agent's involvement.

Not too sure how you see anything fishy.

Neverend
06-04-2012, 06:15 PM
Ah yes, Osi isn't used a ton on run downs not because JPP/Tuck are beasts in run defense but because Osi "is horrible" against the run

Strong, strong blind ignorance

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 06:43 PM
Ah yes, Osi isn't used a ton on run downs not because JPP/Tuck are beasts in run defense but because Osi "is horrible" against the run Strong, strong blind ignorance</P>


Not horrible. Just not very good.</P>


And I grow weary of this debate. He's a Giant through next season. I will learn to live with it.</P>

Harooni
06-04-2012, 06:45 PM
I am relieved that we will be free of his off season drama's after this year. (not that he isnt a good player)

slipknottin
06-04-2012, 06:47 PM
Ok, lets say theoretically Osi is horrible against the run, worse than a Dwight Freeney.

He is still the best pass rusher on the team by a significant margin, he causes turnovers unlike any other defensive player in the entire league.

And we want this player gone?

I guess I just dont connect the business and emotional aspects of this sport like some of you do. Osi wants more money for him, I have no problem with that. As long as he continues to show up on the field, I would never want to let go of a top pass rusher.

FBomb
06-04-2012, 06:50 PM
I am relieved that we will be free of his off season drama's after this year. (not that he isnt a good player)
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I can't be the only one who finds it odd that Barberooni doesn't like a player's drama, can I?[:)]</P>

Harooni
06-04-2012, 06:52 PM
How can you as a fan of the team, not be concerned if one player takes up a lot of cap space and we are then thin at say LB for example because of it?

I have no problem with a player like cruz asking for more, but in osi's case 42mill he got a few years ago should have been enough he is also surrounded by talent on a SB winning team.

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 06:52 PM
Ok, lets say theoretically Osi is horrible against the run, worse than a Dwight Freeney. He is still the best pass rusher on the team by a significant margin, he causes turnovers unlike any other defensive player in the entire league. And we want this player gone? I guess I just dont connect the business and emotional aspects of this sport like some of you do. Osi wants more money for him, I have no problem with that. As long as he continues to show up on the field, I would never want to let go of a top pass rusher.</P>


JPP will probably be the best DE in football by next year. Put him at right DE all the time and he will disrupt and offense. And he won't need the time off on running downs.</P>


But until now, a non-grumpy Osi is fine with me.</P>

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 06:53 PM
How can you as a fan of the team, not be concerned if one player takes up a lot of cap space and we are then thin at say LB for example because of it?

I have no problem with a player like cruz asking for more, but in osi's case 42mill he got a few years ago should have been enough he is also surrounded by talent on a SB winning team.
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Amen my friend!</P>

slipknottin
06-04-2012, 06:53 PM
JPP will probably be the best DE in football by next year.**

JPP never gets tired?

RoanokeFan
06-04-2012, 07:03 PM
JPP will probably be the best DE in football by next year.

JPP never gets tired?

LOL I am sure he does, but if I recall correctly he took an incredible number of snaps last season to include special teams (field goal defense).

slipknottin
06-04-2012, 07:06 PM
LOL* I am sure he does, but if I recall correctly he took an incredible number of snaps last season to include special teams (field goal defense).


I would bet he would be MORE effective if he plays fewer snaps.

Drez
06-04-2012, 07:28 PM
How can you as a fan of the team, not be concerned if one player takes up a lot of cap space and we are then thin at say LB for example because of it?



But, that isn't the situation, so it's irrelevant.

miked1958
06-04-2012, 07:35 PM
I Agree. They will all get huge minutes. It doesnt really matter who "starts" because all of them will see the field and get significant playing time.And they will do like last season and play all 3 at once at times. Go with 5 and line up Osi or tuck inside next to JPP. Then you have Canty, Joseph or austin next to them

miked1958
06-04-2012, 07:35 PM
That's scary

RoanokeFan
06-04-2012, 08:24 PM
LOL I am sure he does, but if I recall correctly he took an incredible number of snaps last season to include special teams (field goal defense).


I would bet he would be MORE effective if he plays fewer snaps.

Perhaps, but Fewell said he didn't think JPP had reached his limit for all of that. 16.5 sacks is pretty effective[;)]

slipknottin
06-04-2012, 08:27 PM
16.5 sacks is pretty effective*[;)]


It is, but Osi was more effective as far as getting to the QB per snap played.

Breezely
06-04-2012, 09:19 PM
EVERYONE WILL EAT!!!!!!!! The NASCAR package will be unbelievable!!!!!!!

RoanokeFan
06-04-2012, 09:44 PM
16.5 sacks is pretty effective[;)]


It is, but Osi was more effective as far as getting to the QB per snap played.

As well he should, being more rested lol

Morehead State
06-04-2012, 10:35 PM
16.5 sacks is pretty effective[;)]
It is, but Osi was more effective as far as getting to the QB per snap played.</P>


Do you think that the fact that Osi plays mainly in passing situations might have something to do with that?</P>


Seems obvious to me.</P>

Drez
06-04-2012, 10:53 PM
16.5 sacks is pretty effective[;)]
It is, but Osi was more effective as far as getting to the QB per snap played.</p>


Do you think that the fact that Osi plays mainly in passing situations might have something to do with that?</p>


Seems obvious to me.</p>
No. They only count passing downs. What validity would that measure have at all if they counted runs?

C'mon, MS.

Harooni
06-04-2012, 10:55 PM
How can you as a fan of the team, not be concerned if one player takes up a lot of cap space and we are then thin at say LB for example because of it?



But, that isn't the situation, so it's irrelevant.

We will see if it is irrelevant by dec. some fans can't look past a year. we got rolle taking up a huge chunk that i am not comfortable with.

mattpl908
06-04-2012, 11:19 PM
Everyone is all in

+1

Neverend
06-04-2012, 11:35 PM
Not horrible.* Just not very good.

I suppose that's somewhat fair. I just really dislike it when people completely exagerrate Osi's run defense abilities. When he wants too, he can shed blocks and look fairly adequate and respectable in run defense.

The issue is that he's been very up and down throughout his career. I was watching steelers-giants nfl classic game when eli/ben faced eachother as rookies and my God, Osi was absolutely TREMENDOUS against the run in that game. Dominant, in fact. Then you have years like 07 or 09 when Osi played with bad discpline. But in recent years, like 2010, I'd say he's been pretty competent against the run

Morehead State
06-05-2012, 12:35 AM
16.5 sacks is pretty effective[;)]
It is, but Osi was more effective as far as getting to the QB per snap played.</P>


Do you think that the fact that Osi plays mainly in passing situations might have something to do with that?</P>


Seems obvious to me.</P>



No. They only count passing downs. What validity would that measure have at all if they counted runs?

C'mon, MS.
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I'm not familiar withthe stat at all. I'm just going by what Slippy said. He said "per snap played". Not "passing play played".</P>


But if your point is to show that JPP really does suck, go for it. I strongly disagree.</P>


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And fellas..its not me that decides that run situations are a weekness for Osi. Its the coaching staff. And they have. Thats why we see JPP and Tuck on the field.</P>


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Drez
06-05-2012, 12:40 AM
How can you as a fan of the team, not be concerned if one player takes up a lot of cap space and we are then thin at say LB for example because of it?



But, that isn't the situation, so it's irrelevant.

We will see if it is irrelevant by dec. some fans can't look past a year. we got rolle taking up a huge chunk that i am not comfortable with.

It is irrelevant because paying Osi or whoever else isn't why we don't have stud linebackers. The reason we don't have "stud" LBs is because the FO places a relatively low value on the position and attempts to make do with average talent, young guys with upside, and/or stop-gap players at the position.

Neverend
06-05-2012, 12:56 AM
And fellas..its not me that decides that run situations are a weekness for Osi.* Its the coaching staff.* And they have.* Thats why we see JPP and Tuck on the field

Not really, its because they want JPP & Tuck on the field in those situatiions -- not to hide Osi in those predicaments

If your statement was true, then why was Osi (for the most part) a 3-down player in 2010? If they thought Osi must be kept away from the run at all times (instead of the simple fact that JPP/Tuck are tremendous in that department), then Osi should've been a pass rush specialist behind Kiwi

Unless you're going to say the coaching staff felt Kiwi is a worse run defender than Osi

Morehead State
06-05-2012, 01:15 AM
And fellas..its not me that decides that run situations are a weekness for Osi. Its the coaching staff. And they have. Thats why we see JPP and Tuck on the field Not really, its because they want JPP &amp; Tuck on the field in those situatiions -- not to hide Osi in those predicaments If your statement was true, then why was Osi (for the most part) a 3-down player in 2010? If they thought Osi must be kept away from the run at all times (instead of the simple fact that JPP/Tuck are tremendous in that department), then Osi should've been a pass rush specialist behind Kiwi Unless you're going to say the coaching staff felt Kiwi is a worse run defender than Osi</P>


there are no words to express how sick and tired I am talking about Osi.</P>


Here it is. He's a Giant this season, probably his last. They will put him on the field in situations where he excels and probably limit him otherwise. Thats just good coaching.</P>


He's not my favorite Giant but he's still a Giant. I think he's a natural born malcontent but JR seems to have done what he needed to shut him up this season. Well good for JR and good for Giants fans.</P>


The Osi debate is over as far as I'm concerned.</P>

Redeyejedi
06-05-2012, 01:34 AM
Why not? You put your best men on the field. I wouldn't be surprised if Tuck, JPP, AND Osi starts. Osi is so underrated on this MB that it is sad.

Reese has already stated that he wants Osi to retire a Giant, so that tells me a long term deal is in the works this year.

Stay healthy Osi!

It doesn't seem that Reese is the obstacle to a long term deal.* They offered Osi and extension which he turned down in favor of a one time windfall.* We obviously don't know any of the details of the negotiations, but if Osi were as interested in retiring a GIANTS as Reese has said he is, it seems they would have struck a new long term deal.

I'm guessing Osi intends to to hit the FA market after this season and that this may well be the last year he plays for the GIANTS.* A lot will factor into the final decision/offer but the team has to focus on what's best for the team going forward and if Osi makes an off the wall salary demand, Reese is not likely to be able to sign him.*

We have to worry about other players like Tuck, JPP, Nicks and Cruz.
I think they can get a deal done if Osi takes what he is making this season. A 4 year 28-30 million dollar deal. If he wants more then that he will be gone and the Giants will draft a pass rusher in a stocked class of them

Redeyejedi
06-05-2012, 01:36 AM
JPP will probably be the best DE in football by next year.**

JPP never gets tired?

LOL* I am sure he does, but if I recall correctly he took an incredible number of snaps last season to include special teams (field goal defense).
LOL he played over 100 snaps against the Jets

OX1
06-05-2012, 08:45 AM
Ah yes, Osi isn't used a ton on run downs not because JPP/Tuck are beasts in run defense but because Osi "is horrible" against the run Strong, strong blind ignorance</P>


I posted vids last year on how Osi runs himself 10+ yards behind the LOS and many times leaves a nice lane for a screen. Sometimes he gets to the to QB, but when he doesn't, he leaves a big hole. </P>


Talk about denial. You can't talk about how great he is or isn't unless you count the plays he totally misses for being over aggressive, in addition to his strips/sacks. </P>


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NJ10
06-05-2012, 09:41 AM
Dosent matter who is "starting". Everybody knows how Perry rotates them around. JPP and Tuck often play inside through out the game. If we have these 3 monsters all healthy and on the field at the same time, it means bad things for whoever we're playing. As proven through the end of the season and playoffs last year.

G-Man67
06-05-2012, 11:23 AM
Osi will be raising his hand to come out far more often than he will be asking to go in

since55
06-05-2012, 11:57 AM
>Does Osi Umenyiora care if he starts? Not as long as the starters are JPP and Tuck. "Iíll back those guys up happily," he said. Lets see how Morehead spins this into "Osi is clearly not happy and needs to be traded"</P>


I assume Osi is very happy because he got his money.* Plus we promised not to franchise him next year so he can go find some chumps who are willing to pay him a lot of money to start.</P>


What he will realize eventually, is that he now has the advantage of having both Tuck and JPP on this team, which allows him to focus on what he does well...get the QB.</P>


Doubt very seriously he'll have that advantage anywhere else.</P>

Doubt very seriously he will care as long as he can wrangle a contract from someone that is front end loaded.

RoanokeFan
06-05-2012, 12:23 PM
&gt;Does Osi Umenyiora care if he starts? Not as long as the starters are JPP and Tuck. "Iíll back those guys up happily," he said. Lets see how Morehead spins this into "Osi is clearly not happy and needs to be traded"</p>


I assume Osi is very happy because he got his money. Plus we promised not to franchise him next year so he can go find some chumps who are willing to pay him a lot of money to start.</p>


What he will realize eventually, is that he now has the advantage of having both Tuck and JPP on this team, which allows him to focus on what he does well...get the QB.</p>


Doubt very seriously he'll have that advantage anywhere else.</p>

Doubt very seriously he will care as long as he can wrangle a contract from someone that is front end loaded.

Oddly enough it was a front end loaded contract that pissed him off right after he signed it last time.

Coach Carter
06-05-2012, 05:53 PM
Actually I read something last season about Fewell saying that JPP played too many snaps and they wanted to decrease it. I think that was when Osi was out and Tuck got hurt. JPP was dragging at the end of games.

slipknottin
06-05-2012, 06:00 PM
Unless you're going to say the coaching staff felt Kiwi is a worse run defender than Osi

Kiwi and Osi are about equal against the run.

slipknottin
06-05-2012, 06:01 PM
I posted vids last year on how Osi runs himself 10+ yards behind the LOS and many times leaves a nice lane for a screen.

You do realize they attempt to run screens against all great DEs, right? They tried to run screens against strahan and they run them constantly against JPP and Tuck.

Sometimes they are successful, sometimes not. I really would NOT make an argument tying Osi as a bad player against a screen.

Coach Carter
06-05-2012, 06:26 PM
I posted vids last year on how Osi runs himself 10+ yards behind the LOS and many times leaves a nice lane for a screen.

You do realize they attempt to run screens against all great DEs, right? They tried to run screens against strahan and they run them constantly against JPP and Tuck.

Sometimes they are successful, sometimes not. I really would NOT make an argument tying Osi as a bad player against a screen.

Tuck does a horrible job vs boots to his side, the qb always breaks contain and JPP falls for reverses due to his over aggressiveness. All of our players have weaknesses.

Drez
06-05-2012, 06:31 PM
I posted vids last year on how Osi runs himself 10+ yards behind the LOS and many times leaves a nice lane for a screen.

You do realize they attempt to run screens against all great DEs, right? They tried to run screens against strahan and they run them constantly against JPP and Tuck.

Sometimes they are successful, sometimes not. I really would NOT make an argument tying Osi as a bad player against a screen.

Tuck does a horrible job vs boots to his side, the qb always breaks contain and JPP falls for reverses due to his over aggressiveness. All of our players have weaknesses.
And, shocker, those are all types of plays teams use against aggressive pass rushe(r)s.

All three have their weaknesses, but Tuck and JPP are the more well rounded of the three (and to think JPP isn't even near his peak yet).

slipknottin
06-05-2012, 06:55 PM
All three have their weaknesses, but Tuck and JPP are the more well rounded of the three (and to think JPP isn't even near his peak yet).


More well rounded = not as good a pass rusher?

Either way.

Drez
06-05-2012, 07:15 PM
All three have their weaknesses, but Tuck and JPP are the more well rounded of the three (and to think JPP isn't even near his peak yet).


More well rounded = not as good a pass rusher?

Either way.
Yeah, Osi is the better pure pass rusher of the group. But, I don't really have a dog in this fight, as I think the lot of them are great players.

But, unlike many in this discussion, I haven't fallen prey to the, "just because X is better than Z at something, that means Z sucks at it." I can hear that Osi is a better pass rusher and not think that that means Tuck isn't good at it, much like I can hear that JPP is better at stopping the run and not think that it means Osi is horrible at it.

Unfortunately, we won't be able to pay all three of them long term.

giantsfan420
06-05-2012, 07:54 PM
All three have their weaknesses, but Tuck and JPP are the more well rounded of the three (and to think JPP isn't even near his peak yet).


More well rounded = not as good a pass rusher?

Either way.
Yeah, Osi is the better pure pass rusher of the group. But, I don't really have a dog in this fight, as I think the lot of them are great players.

But, unlike many in this discussion, I haven't fallen prey to the, "just because X is better than Z at something, that means Z sucks at it." I can hear that Osi is a better pass rusher and not think that that means Tuck isn't good at it, much like I can hear that JPP is better at stopping the run and not think that it means Osi is horrible at it.

Unfortunately, we won't be able to pay all three of them long term.


Well said...

But osi is happy, he hot what he could. Now its time for him to perform. Hes said that being the "backup" to tuck and jpp is ok with him. He will prob be used a lot more in pass situations, hes jjst not as good as jpp or tuck in that dept.

And i dont believe osi is the better pass rusher either. Osi has the best pass rush MOVE but imo is not the best complete pass rusher. Tuck can use an edge speed type move. Its not as good as osis, but tuck has better bull rush and cmbo moves than osi. If osi isnt turning that corner, hes not nearly as good.

I liked seeing pf add using osi in a stunt inside tuck over a g. That was really effective at the end of the season and run. Osi got a sack on romo, and that strip sack on rodgers in the playoffs, also off a stunt...

OX1
06-05-2012, 09:49 PM
I posted vids last year on how Osi runs himself 10+ yards behind the LOS and many times leaves a nice lane for a screen.

You do realize they attempt to run screens against all great DEs, right? They tried to run screens against strahan and they run them constantly against JPP and Tuck.

Sometimes they are successful, sometimes not. I really would NOT make an argument tying Osi as a bad player against a screen.



Post up the videos then showing Tuck/JPP consistently running 10+ yards behind the LOS and just about ignoring what is really going on with the play. You are right though, sometimes it is a much longer pass than a screen Osi gives up by being behind the QB.

slipknottin
06-05-2012, 10:18 PM
You are right though, sometimes it is a much longer pass than a screen Osi gives up by being behind the QB. *


Yet Osi still gets to the QB more on pass rushes than any of the other DEs on the team.

So Im not sure what exactly your argument is, that pass rushers dont get to the QB every play?

Is being in front of the QB being blocked by the OL a better way to defend a long pass?

Morehead State
06-05-2012, 11:40 PM
You are right though, sometimes it is a much longer pass than a screen Osi gives up by being behind the QB.
Yet Osi still gets to the QB more on pass rushes than any of the other DEs on the team. So Im not sure what exactly your argument is, that pass rushers dont get to the QB every play? Is being in front of the QB being blocked by the OL a better way to defend a long pass?</P>


Fresh legs will do that.</P>


Tuck and JPP have to to the hard work on all downs.</P>

bearbryant
06-06-2012, 12:54 AM
Nice discussion fellas... Everyone watching our DE's last year ( S.B. XLVI) had the same view, even my Patriot buds said: TUCK- great all around defensive lineman, anywhere on the line; OSI- A great pass rusher, only; JPP- A stone beast who does it all on the field. When other team fans tell me stuff like this I'm happy to have each one of these guys. I guarantee you that if anytone of thesethree guys were on another team... they would be a STARTER, anyone of them! Go Giants!

Morehead State
06-06-2012, 10:20 AM
Nice discussion fellas... Everyone watching our DE's last year ( S.B. XLVI) had the same view, even my Patriot buds said: TUCK- great all around defensive lineman, anywhere on the line; OSI- A great pass rusher, only; JPP- A stone beast who does it all on the field. When other team fans tell me stuff like this I'm happy to have each one of these guys. I guarantee you that if anytone of thesethree guys were on another team... they would be a STARTER, anyone of them! Go Giants!</P>


Thats a pretty accurate assessment of our 3 DE's.</P>

OX1
06-06-2012, 11:32 AM
You are right though, sometimes it is a much longer pass than a screen Osi gives up by being behind the QB.


Yet Osi still gets to the QB more on pass rushes than any of the other DEs on the team.

So Im not sure what exactly your argument is, that pass rushers dont get to the QB every play?

Is being in front of the QB being blocked by the OL a better way to defend a long pass?

Of course he does, that's virtually all he attempts to do. The question remains



Is what he brings, better overall, than what he gives up.



By not attempting to get past/push an O-line man and collapse the
pocket, he allows more pocket time to complete passes. Occasionally it
opens up a running/screen lane that has been exploited since offenses
know where Osi is going. If Osi could get past his lineman without
running way past and outside the play, I would say great, but most times
he does not and it takes time to run his route.



Now if he gets the sack/turnover, it is moot what was happening on the
rest of the field. Only the giants coaches/FO know if that trade off is
worth it or not. But it is a trade off and there is no other D-line in
the league where I think Osi could get away with his style of pass rush
and not give up huge amount of yardage.



So they paid him this year, but I suspect that the tradeoff he brings
will not be considered valuable enough to bring a long/huge contract
next year. Now if our secondary could improve even a little, which they
very well might this year, Osi may be able to get to the QB even more.
There have been a lot of plays he was very close, so his "tradeoff"
%/value may increase. Maybe the FO realized this and is hoping that
happens this year.



My only concern in giving him a long term contract is that his
ability to do what he does depends almost completely on the rest of our
dominant line. I don't want a long term contract with Osi to derail
using a hi pick in future years, hopefully getting an eventual all
around guy (Tuck replacement).

Coach Carter
06-06-2012, 01:45 PM
You are right though, sometimes it is a much longer pass than a screen Osi gives up by being behind the QB. *


Yet Osi still gets to the QB more on pass rushes than any of the other DEs on the team.

So Im not sure what exactly your argument is, that pass rushers dont get to the QB every play?

Is being in front of the QB being blocked by the OL a better way to defend a long pass?

Of course he does, that's virtually all he attempts to do. The question remains



Is what he brings, better overall, than what he gives up.



*By not attempting to get past/push an O-line man and collapse the
pocket, he allows more pocket time to complete passes. Occasionally it
opens up a running/screen lane that has been exploited since offenses
know where Osi is going. If Osi could get past his lineman without
running way past and outside the play, I would say great, but most times
he does not and it takes time to run his route.



* Now if he gets the sack/turnover, it is moot what was happening on the
rest of the field. Only the giants coaches/FO know if that trade off is
worth it or not. But it is a trade off and there is no other D-line in
the league where I think Osi could get away with his style of pass rush
and not give up huge amount of yardage.



** So they paid him this year, but I suspect that the tradeoff he brings
will not be considered valuable enough to bring a long/huge contract
next year. Now if our secondary could improve even a little, which they
very well might this year, Osi may be able to get to the QB even more.
There have been a lot of plays he was very close, so his "tradeoff"
%/value may increase. Maybe the FO realized this and is hoping that
happens this year.* *



*** My only concern in giving him a long term contract is that his
ability to do what he does depends almost completely on the rest of our
dominant line. I don't want a long term contract with Osi to derail
using a hi pick in future years,* hopefully getting an eventual all
around guy (Tuck replacement).

**


What in the world are you talking about?

Outside pass rushers use angles to get to the qb (and run past the offensive tackle). Since most teams do a seven step drop on third and long and offensive tackles don't line up on the line of scrimmage, the DEs have to take an outside path to the qb. The inside move is usually a counter mover or a stunt to get someone else free.

Morehead State
06-06-2012, 02:35 PM
You are right though, sometimes it is a much longer pass than a screen Osi gives up by being behind the QB.
Yet Osi still gets to the QB more on pass rushes than any of the other DEs on the team. So Im not sure what exactly your argument is, that pass rushers dont get to the QB every play? Is being in front of the QB being blocked by the OL a better way to defend a long pass?

Of course he does, that's virtually all he attempts to do. The question remains

Is what he brings, better overall, than what he gives up.

By not attempting to get past/push an O-line man and collapse the pocket, he allows more pocket time to complete passes. Occasionally it opens up a running/screen lane that has been exploited since offenses know where Osi is going. If Osi could get past his lineman without running way past and outside the play, I would say great, but most times he does not and it takes time to run his route.

Now if he gets the sack/turnover, it is moot what was happening on the rest of the field. Only the giants coaches/FO know if that trade off is worth it or not. But it is a trade off and there is no other D-line in the league where I think Osi could get away with his style of pass rush and not give up huge amount of yardage.

So they paid him this year, but I suspect that the tradeoff he brings will not be considered valuable enough to bring a long/huge contract next year. Now if our secondary could improve even a little, which they very well might this year, Osi may be able to get to the QB even more. There have been a lot of plays he was very close, so his "tradeoff" %/value may increase. Maybe the FO realized this and is hoping that happens this year.

My only concern in giving him a long term contract is that his ability to do what he does depends almost completely on the rest of our dominant line. I don't want a long term contract with Osi to derail using a hi pick in future years, hopefully getting an eventual all around guy (Tuck replacement).

What in the world are you talking about? Outside pass rushers use angles to get to the qb (and run past the offensive tackle). Since most teams do a seven step drop on third and long and offensive tackles don't line up on the line of scrimmage, the DEs have to take an outside path to the qb. The inside move is usually a counter mover or a stunt to get someone else free.</P>


Almost all of dwight Freeney's sacks come from the inside spin move. I think a few years ago, they reviewed all his sacks and every sack he had in that season came from the inside.</P>

Coach Carter
06-06-2012, 02:41 PM
You are right though, sometimes it is a much longer pass than a screen Osi gives up by being behind the QB. *
Yet Osi still gets to the QB more on pass rushes than any of the other DEs on the team. So Im not sure what exactly your argument is, that pass rushers dont get to the QB every play? Is being in front of the QB being blocked by the OL a better way to defend a long pass?

Of course he does, that's virtually all he attempts to do. The question remains

Is what he brings, better overall, than what he gives up.

*By not attempting to get past/push an O-line man and collapse the pocket, he allows more pocket time to complete passes. Occasionally it opens up a running/screen lane that has been exploited since offenses know where Osi is going. If Osi could get past his lineman without running way past and outside the play, I would say great, but most times he does not and it takes time to run his route.

* Now if he gets the sack/turnover, it is moot what was happening on the rest of the field. Only the giants coaches/FO know if that trade off is worth it or not. But it is a trade off and there is no other D-line in the league where I think Osi could get away with his style of pass rush and not give up huge amount of yardage.

** So they paid him this year, but I suspect that the tradeoff he brings will not be considered valuable enough to bring a long/huge contract next year. Now if our secondary could improve even a little, which they very well might this year, Osi may be able to get to the QB even more. There have been a lot of plays he was very close, so his "tradeoff" %/value may increase. Maybe the FO realized this and is hoping that happens this year.* *

*** My only concern in giving him a long term contract is that his ability to do what he does depends almost completely on the rest of our dominant line. I don't want a long term contract with Osi to derail using a hi pick in future years,* hopefully getting an eventual all around guy (Tuck replacement).
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What in the world are you talking about? Outside pass rushers use angles to get to the qb (and run past the offensive tackle). Since most teams do a seven step drop on third and long and offensive tackles don't line up on the line of scrimmage, the DEs have to take an outside path to the qb. The inside move is usually a counter mover or a stunt to get someone else free.</P>


Almost all of dwight Freeney's sacks come from the inside spin move.* I think a few years ago, they reviewed all his sacks and every sack he had in that season came from the inside.</P>

True, but that is because left tackles are trying like heck to stop him from running around them and their feet are not set properly.

Now, I know you hate talking about him, but I have to bring Osi up. Osi's primary move is the outside rush, however, the last two seasons he has been hurt. In 2010, he had a bad hip and knee and in 2011, his knee was still bad.

Osi, did not have power for almost two seasons. Even after he ran around the tackle and the qb was rolling out, he did not have the wheels to chase the qb down - he would be hobbling along.

The one time Osi showed power was in the Atlanta playoff game when he just ran over the LT to sack Matty "Melting" Ice-cream. I think you will see more of Osi's power/counter moves this season.

OX1
06-06-2012, 11:08 PM
DEs have to take an outside path to the qb.

And Osi's outside path is way outside, then to the side, and sometimes even from behind. Lot of time and sometimes he gets burned in this open lane by the QB stepping up or having a nice unobstructed lane to throw in.

Obviously these were all sacks since no one posts highlight vids
that show him not getting the sack and allowing a decent offensive play.

http://luxjo.supermotors.net/GIANTS/OSI.jpg
http://luxjo.supermotors.net/GIANTS/OSI2.jpg

http://luxjo.supermotors.net/GIANTS/OSI3.jpg

Drez
06-06-2012, 11:37 PM
DEs have to take an outside path to the qb.

And Osi's outside path is way outside, then to the side, and sometimes even from behind. Lot of time and sometimes he gets burned in this open lane by the QB stepping up or having a nice unobstructed lane to throw in.

Obviously these were all sacks since no one posts highlight vids
that show him not getting the sack and allowing a decent offensive play.

http://luxjo.supermotors.net/GIANTS/OSI.jpg
http://luxjo.supermotors.net/GIANTS/OSI2.jpg

http://luxjo.supermotors.net/GIANTS/OSI3.jpg



Ummmm........ That's the first down line, not the LoS, lol.

gmen0820
06-06-2012, 11:40 PM
Osi takes the gap he was coached too, because I doubt such undisciplined gap play would be rewarded with plentiful snaps.

Osi's worst year, which I'd say is 2009, his biggest problem was transitioning to Sheridan's scheme as it pertained to the gaps he was forced to play. Often times, Sheridan left his ends accountable for the C, and B gaps, lining up head up over the tackles. Osi has always preferred a shaded alignment, 6-9T, so it should have come to the surprise of no one as to why Osi was not Sheridan's biggest fan.