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06-11-2012, 05:03 PM
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<p class="js-tweet-text">The <s>@</s>Giants (https://twitter.com/#%21/Giants) sign DT Rocky Bernard and waive/injured TE Jake Ballard. Details: http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Giants-bring-back-DT-Rocky-Bernard/a6304f02-850f-4a13-9593-2dc117af096e (http://t.co/iv4E7gDD)</p>


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bELIeve_in_Giants
06-11-2012, 05:04 PM
Wow. That's a surprise. I really liked him.

Redeyejedi
06-11-2012, 05:05 PM
I wonder why they waived Ballard but not Beckum

buddy33
06-11-2012, 05:06 PM
Not surprised. That was a major injury he suffered I the Super Bowl. He may not be ready until the start of the 2013 season.

bELIeve_in_Giants
06-11-2012, 05:06 PM
Team took their physicals today didn't they? I wonder if he's further back in rehab than hoped.

Drez
06-11-2012, 05:09 PM
I wonder why they waived Ballard but not Beckum
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a type of situation where you have to waive/injured a player in the offseason to put them on IR (much like we had to do with Chad Jones in previous years)?

Either way, I don't think we'll have to worry about a team picking him up off waivers/as a FA when he likely won't play this season. If his knee checks out he may end up being a Giant in '13.

Drez
06-11-2012, 05:11 PM
I wonder why they waived Ballard but not Beckum
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a type of situation where you have to waive/injured a player in the offseason to put them on IR (much like we had to do with Chad Jones in previous years)?

Either way, I don't think we'll have to worry about a team picking him up off waivers/as a FA when he likely won't play this season. If his knee checks out he may end up being a Giant in '13.

Yes, it appears he didn't pass the physical. Too bad.

Redeyejedi
06-11-2012, 05:11 PM
I wonder why they waived Ballard but not Beckum
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't there a type of situation where you have to waive/injured a player in the offseason to put them on IR (much like we had to do with Chad Jones in previous years)?

Either way, I don't think we'll have to worry about a team picking him up off waivers/as a FA when he likely won't play this season. If his knee checks out he may end up being a Giant in '13.
They will bring him back im sure

DEgiants89
06-11-2012, 05:14 PM
yea I think they will, this will allow them to have the freedom to do what they want but also sign him back for cheaper etc. It sucks and unlucky but it happens...now the question is who do we sign to take his place....

fansince69
06-11-2012, 05:17 PM
yea I think they will, this will allow them to have the freedom to do what they want but also sign him back for cheaper etc. It sucks and unlucky but it happens...now the question is who do we sign to take his place....


there are 4 tight ends on the roster...what makes you think anyone will be signed other than possibly bodies for camp?

sharick88
06-11-2012, 05:27 PM
Dude might not be ready till 2013. Not a suprise at all. I can see the giants bringing him back when he proves that he is healthy again.

slipknottin
06-11-2012, 05:27 PM
What makes you think they were counting on Ballard playing this year anyway?

I thought it was pretty likely he was going to miss the entire season.

Drez
06-11-2012, 05:34 PM
yea I think they will, this will allow them to have the freedom to do what they want but also sign him back for cheaper etc. It sucks and unlucky but it happens...now the question is who do we sign to take his place....

My guess is Martellus Bennett and Adrien Robinson.

giantsfan420
06-11-2012, 05:40 PM
ive said this was likely to happen for some time.

the injury he had is gonna cost ballard a step he cant afford to lose.

i still know the giants will revisit with him down the line if hes still available, but i think this could even be gthe giats trying to do the right thing. he can explore other contracts now and we just gave him 500,000 a month or two ago and resignedhim for a year knowing he wouldnt play. he got his money. now they are doing this in a numbers move or to free up space.

this doesnt mean its the end of the line with the giants for ballard, it just means for now we're going a diff. direction

Drez
06-11-2012, 05:42 PM
ive said this was likely to happen for some time.

the injury he had is gonna cost ballard a step he cant afford to lose.

i still know the giants will revisit with him down the line if hes still available, but i think this could even be gthe giats trying to do the right thing. he can explore other contracts now and we just gave him 500,000 a month or two ago and resignedhim for a year knowing he wouldnt play. he got his money. now they are doing this in a numbers move or to free up space.

this doesnt mean its the end of the line with the giants for ballard, it just means for now we're going a diff. direction
I don't even think we're going to go in a different direction... At least not yet. I expect the Giants to place him on IR after he clears waivers. And who in their right mind will claim the kid off waivers in his condition?

RoanokeFan
06-11-2012, 05:58 PM
I wonder why they waived Ballard but not Beckum

I'm guessing his rehab isn't where it needs to be.

bELIeve_in_Giants
06-11-2012, 06:09 PM
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<p class="js-tweet-text">According to Jake Ballard's agent, Blake Baratz, the Giants have every intention of re-signing his client.</p>


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Salsa80
06-11-2012, 06:10 PM
According to Adam Scheftler's twitter, Ballard's agent says the Giants have every intention of resigning Ballard.

bELIeve_in_Giants
06-11-2012, 06:10 PM
I guess I don't understand the rules, but somehow they have to waive him first and then put him on IR - they assume he'll pass waivers since it's a severe injury.

bELIeve_in_Giants
06-11-2012, 06:11 PM
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<p class="js-tweet-text">Just spoke to Ballard: "I'll be back in
Blue." said team plans to sign him back after clears waivers tmrw at
4pm. Said 2013 is target now.</p>


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bELIeve_in_Giants
06-11-2012, 06:13 PM
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miked1958
06-11-2012, 06:14 PM
To bad, the guy gave his all in that SB. That shot of him trying to run on sideline to see if leg would hold up to go back in game and him collapsing was epic. I guess they have to do this if he won't play this yr. hopefully he makes it back to compete in 13

miked1958
06-11-2012, 06:16 PM
Big surprise in this thread which no one commented on was the link also talked about Bernard being resigned. That was a big surprise to me. I still think he gets cut eventually

bELIeve_in_Giants
06-11-2012, 06:20 PM
Big surprise in this thread which no one commented on was the link also talked about Bernard being resigned. That was a big surprise to me. I still think he gets cut eventually

That has its own thread

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06-11-2012, 06:21 PM
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This is why I love the guy . . . . that and the clip of him trying to get back in the SB game</P>

BeatYale
06-11-2012, 06:40 PM
the injury he had is gonna cost ballard a step he cant afford to lose.



Guys like Willis McGahee and Frank Gore can tear apart their knees in college and still have successful careers....but for a TE like Ballard it's a step he can't afford to lose? Really?

He isn't an athletic TE to begin with. He's a big body, with good hands and instincts on the field. That extra step isn't going to make or break him.

JMFP2
06-11-2012, 07:22 PM
Not surprised. That was a major injury he suffered I the Super Bowl. He may not be ready until the start of the 2013 season.

Wish him the best of luck, and hopefully he gets another look by the Giants when he recovers.

He definitely made the most of his opportunity, and Giants fans will remember him fondly.

Drez
06-11-2012, 07:24 PM
Not surprised. That was a major injury he suffered I the Super Bowl. He may not be ready until the start of the 2013 season.

Wish him the best of luck, and hopefully he gets another look by the Giants when he recovers.

He definitely made the most of his opportunity, and Giants fans will remember him fondly.
He'll be placed automatically on IR if he clears waivers.

gmen0820
06-11-2012, 07:28 PM
His rehab must be going very poorly, otherwise this is a terrible move.

With the magnitude of Ballards injury, you want him to get at least a few game snaps this year, just so he can get used to running on it, and playing on it. Then, he'd probably be 100% in 2013. Of course, he'd have to be on PUP to star this year, because there's no way he'd start off 2012 healthy, or close to it.

Clearly, I see this as a sign that his rehab is not good and his knee is pretty messed up at this point. And I definitely trust the Giants medical staff to make this call.

myles2424
06-11-2012, 07:29 PM
Ballard was the best TE the team minus his injury, must've been worse than any of us thought

giantsfan420
06-11-2012, 07:29 PM
the injury he had is gonna cost ballard a step he cant afford to lose.



Guys like Willis McGahee and Frank Gore can tear apart their knees in college and still have successful careers....but for a TE like Ballard it's a step he can't afford to lose? Really?

He isn't an athletic TE to begin with. He's a big body, with good hands and instincts on the field. That extra step isn't going to make or break him.

exactly my point. ballard wasnt a speed burner by any stretch of the imagination. he got by in spite of his lack of speed. to lose another step would just end any chance hed have at being effective in the passing game imo...

JMFP2
06-11-2012, 07:31 PM
Not surprised. That was a major injury he suffered I the Super Bowl. He may not be ready until the start of the 2013 season.

Wish him the best of luck, and hopefully he gets another look by the Giants when he recovers.

He definitely made the most of his opportunity, and Giants fans will remember him fondly.
He'll be placed automatically on IR if he clears waivers.


Good point, didn't think of that.

Neverend
06-11-2012, 07:34 PM
the injury he had is gonna cost ballard a step he cant afford to lose.



Guys like Willis McGahee and Frank Gore can tear apart their knees in college and still have successful careers....but for a TE like Ballard it's a step he can't afford to lose? Really?

He isn't an athletic TE to begin with. He's a big body, with good hands and instincts on the field. That extra step isn't going to make or break him.

I agree with your assessment but I wouldn't say ballard had great hands though... he's dropped a number of passes underneath this year or close to the ground. even had a couple of lapses/drops downfield as well

Antwuan
06-11-2012, 07:34 PM
The Giants may look to re-sign him for the 2013 season.

DemandedAce
06-11-2012, 07:37 PM
Ballard and his agent have both stated the Giants fully intend to bring him back and are doing this as a move to put him on IR. Also, due to the restructuring of IR that was recently voted upon I believe he can still come off it at the end of the year should everything go really well. (This is what I understood at least)

chizz
06-11-2012, 07:51 PM
wait so he is waived does that mean that he will have to be paying for his own medical bills now

gmen0820
06-11-2012, 07:54 PM
wait so he is waived does that mean that he will have to be paying for his own medical bills nowWe have to waive him to put him on IR, so no.

If we wanted no part of Ballard, we'd have to part with an injury settlement.

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06-12-2012, 12:08 AM
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<p class="js-tweet-text">The <s>@</s>Giants (https://twitter.com/#%21/Giants) sign DT Rocky Bernard and waive/injured TE Jake Ballard. Details: http://www.giants.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Giants-bring-back-DT-Rocky-Bernard/a6304f02-850f-4a13-9593-2dc117af096e (http://t.co/iv4E7gDD)</p>


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I wonder if bringing back Bernard has more to do with questions about Austin rather than about Ballard's chances of return.

Drez
06-12-2012, 12:31 AM
His rehab must be going very poorly, otherwise this is a terrible move.

With the magnitude of Ballards injury, you want him to get at least a few game snaps this year, just so he can get used to running on it, and playing on it. Then, he'd probably be 100% in 2013. Of course, he'd have to be on PUP to star this year, because there's no way he'd start off 2012 healthy, or close to it.

Clearly, I see this as a sign that his rehab is not good and his knee is pretty messed up at this point. And I definitely trust the Giants medical staff to make this call.
Have to remember, too, that not only did he have the ACL he also had to have microfracture on it.

Drez
06-12-2012, 12:32 AM
I wonder if bringing back Bernard has more to do with questions about Austin rather than about Ballard's chances of return. It probably has more to do with questions about Rogers than Austin.

THE_New_York_Giants
06-12-2012, 12:39 AM
I wonder if bringing back Bernard has more to do with questions about Austin rather than about Ballard's chances of return. It probably has more to do with questions about Rogers than Austin.


You can never have too many DL in our system.

Redeyejedi
06-12-2012, 08:54 AM
I wonder if bringing back Bernard has more to do with questions about Austin rather than about Ballard's chances of return. It probably has more to do with questions about Rogers than Austin.


You can never have too many DL in our system.Yep let them battle it out for roster spots. We have no clue what Austin can do

gmen0820
06-12-2012, 10:27 AM
His rehab must be going very poorly, otherwise this is a terrible move.

With the magnitude of Ballards injury, you want him to get at least a few game snaps this year, just so he can get used to running on it, and playing on it. Then, he'd probably be 100% in 2013. Of course, he'd have to be on PUP to star this year, because there's no way he'd start off 2012 healthy, or close to it.

Clearly, I see this as a sign that his rehab is not good and his knee is pretty messed up at this point. And I definitely trust the Giants medical staff to make this call.
Have to remember, too, that not only did he have the ACL he also had to have microfracture on it.
As soon as I heard he had MF surgery on it, I really just gave up on him, to be honest.

giantsfan420
06-12-2012, 10:42 AM
exactyly my thoughts gmen...if he loses another step, forget about it...

gmen0820
06-12-2012, 10:48 AM
exactyly my thoughts gmen...if he loses another step, forget about it...I don't know if it's so much the step as it is the lack of patience on the Giants part.

Ballard, although solid, isn't someone I see as a watch list guy come 2013-2014. I just don't see the Giants waiting for this guy to fully heal, and hope he's fully recovered after he's back.

giantsfan420
06-12-2012, 10:52 AM
exactyly my thoughts gmen...if he loses another step, forget about it...I don't know if it's so much the step as it is the lack of patience on the Giants part.

Ballard, although solid, isn't someone I see as a watch list guy come 2013-2014. I just don't see the Giants waiting for this guy to fully heal, and hope he's fully recovered after he's back.

i get all that and agree.

but dude was honestly so slow. he was and is a great giant, taking nothing away from him. he's just slow. its no secret. he still found ways to overcome it tho.
but i cant see how he'd be effective in the passing game if he loses a step. maybe as a 2nd te, which i think is where he'd fit best anyway, but not as the featured TE

rxc999
06-12-2012, 12:01 PM
not surprising..this year was lost anyway..may bring him back for 2013..depends how bennett does this year..and what robinson kid has in store as well.

BeatYale
06-12-2012, 04:54 PM
the injury he had is gonna cost ballard a step he cant afford to lose.



Guys like Willis McGahee and Frank Gore can tear apart their knees in college and still have successful careers....but for a TE like Ballard it's a step he can't afford to lose? Really?

He isn't an athletic TE to begin with. He's a big body, with good hands and instincts on the field. That extra step isn't going to make or break him.

exactly my point. ballard wasnt a speed burner by any stretch of the imagination. he got by in spite of his lack of speed. to lose another step would just end any chance hed have at being effective in the passing game imo...

It's far fetched is what I'm getting at. You're over valuing speed like it's the ultimate deciding factor in whether a guy can separate himself from a defender. If that were the case every gazelle (e.g: Troy Williamson, Heyward-Bey etc.) at the NFL combine would translate to a HOF receiver. There's more to it than speed.

Drez
06-12-2012, 05:44 PM
the injury he had is gonna cost ballard a step he cant afford to lose.



Guys like Willis McGahee and Frank Gore can tear apart their knees in college and still have successful careers....but for a TE like Ballard it's a step he can't afford to lose? Really?

He isn't an athletic TE to begin with. He's a big body, with good hands and instincts on the field. That extra step isn't going to make or break him.

exactly my point. ballard wasnt a speed burner by any stretch of the imagination. he got by in spite of his lack of speed. to lose another step would just end any chance hed have at being effective in the passing game imo...

It's far fetched is what I'm getting at. You're over valuing speed like it's the ultimate deciding factor in whether a guy can separate himself from a defender. If that were the case every gazelle (e.g: Troy Williamson, Heyward-Bey etc.) at the NFL combine would translate to a HOF receiver. There's more to it than speed.

Yes, speed isn't the ultimate thing, but Ballard ran nearly a 5.0 40. Him losing a step is more detrimental to him than most.

giantsfan420
06-12-2012, 05:50 PM
the injury he had is gonna cost ballard a step he cant afford to lose.



Guys like Willis McGahee and Frank Gore can tear apart their knees in college and still have successful careers....but for a TE like Ballard it's a step he can't afford to lose? Really?

He isn't an athletic TE to begin with. He's a big body, with good hands and instincts on the field. That extra step isn't going to make or break him.

exactly my point. ballard wasnt a speed burner by any stretch of the imagination. he got by in spite of his lack of speed. to lose another step would just end any chance hed have at being effective in the passing game imo...

It's far fetched is what I'm getting at. You're over valuing speed like it's the ultimate deciding factor in whether a guy can separate himself from a defender. If that were the case every gazelle (e.g: Troy Williamson, Heyward-Bey etc.) at the NFL combine would translate to a HOF receiver. There's more to it than speed.

Yes, speed isn't the ultimate thing, but Ballard ran nearly a 5.0 40. Him losing a step is more detrimental* to him than most.


exactly my point drez. im not saying what my opinion is anything more than speculation yale, i hope im not coming off as trying to be all knowing. ballard could very well make a full return and play at a high level, and id be happy as a pig in ****...

im just saying my opinion is that ballard losing a step hurts him more than others bc he is already so slow. he succeeded in spite of his lack of speed, to further that, imo, would be too much to overcome and i mean that in a featured TE role...he could very well come back and be an effective 2 at TE speed or no speed...i shoulda clarified that i meant my opinion in that regard

Drez
06-12-2012, 06:00 PM
the injury he had is gonna cost ballard a step he cant afford to lose.



Guys like Willis McGahee and Frank Gore can tear apart their knees in college and still have successful careers....but for a TE like Ballard it's a step he can't afford to lose? Really?

He isn't an athletic TE to begin with. He's a big body, with good hands and instincts on the field. That extra step isn't going to make or break him.

exactly my point. ballard wasnt a speed burner by any stretch of the imagination. he got by in spite of his lack of speed. to lose another step would just end any chance hed have at being effective in the passing game imo...

It's far fetched is what I'm getting at. You're over valuing speed like it's the ultimate deciding factor in whether a guy can separate himself from a defender. If that were the case every gazelle (e.g: Troy Williamson, Heyward-Bey etc.) at the NFL combine would translate to a HOF receiver. There's more to it than speed.

Yes, speed isn't the ultimate thing, but Ballard ran nearly a 5.0 40. Him losing a step is more detrimental to him than most.


exactly my point drez. im not saying what my opinion is anything more than speculation yale, i hope im not coming off as trying to be all knowing. ballard could very well make a full return and play at a high level, and id be happy as a pig in ****...

im just saying my opinion is that ballard losing a step hurts him more than others bc he is already so slow. he succeeded in spite of his lack of speed, to further that, imo, would be too much to overcome and i mean that in a featured TE role...he could very well come back and be an effective 2 at TE speed or no speed...i shoulda clarified that i meant my opinion in that regard
Hopefully, he makes a full recovery and doesn't really lose any more speed. Definitely rooting for the kid.

miked1958
06-12-2012, 11:58 PM
Well is was swiped off waivers by the patriots so if he does come back 13 it won't be with us