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Eli TO Shockey
06-13-2012, 05:28 PM
I think it's fair to say that JR and our FO really dropped the ball here. It was risky move that backfired.

Whether or not Ballard will be an affective TE is not the story here. It's the fact that we "wanted" to keep Ballard, but made a bonehead decision by letting him go through waivers.

You live by the bullet, you die by the bullet.

Not very classy if you ask me. I wish JB the best.

slipknottin
06-13-2012, 05:33 PM
What about this is not classy? Lol

Yes, worst decision of all time to let a player who wasent going to play this season anyway get away.

You learned nothing from last year, I see.

myles2424
06-13-2012, 05:33 PM
Dropped the ball? Ballard won't play in 2012 & when he finally does, he wont be the same...

Drez
06-13-2012, 05:34 PM
Not very classy if you ask me. I wish JB the best.


I agree. What BB did was not very classy at all.

TuckYou
06-13-2012, 05:37 PM
Pats are just playing the bitter old man role. He won't play a snap in 2012 and 2013 he will still feel the effects I'm sure. Jake was good in our system, and might be good in the pats system, but it wasn't like we lost a star. I hope he does make it back in blue though

Eli TO Shockey
06-13-2012, 05:41 PM
Dropped the ball? Ballard won't play in 2012 & when he finally does, he wont be the same...

Whether or not Ballard will be an affective TE is not the story here

is what I wrote.....

Eli TO Shockey
06-13-2012, 05:41 PM
Not very classy if you ask me. I wish JB the best.


I agree. What BB did was not very classy at all.


right....BB saw a player he liked hit the waiver wire. how dare he?

slipknottin
06-13-2012, 05:42 PM
Whether or not Ballard will be an affective TE is not the story here

That is a huge part of the story though.

That you chose to ignore the facts in an attempt to make a point ( a very poorly formed one at that) does not strengthen your argument.

Eli TO Shockey
06-13-2012, 05:44 PM
What about this is not classy? Lol

Yes, worst decision of all time to let a player who wasent going to play this season anyway get away.

You learned nothing from last year, I see.

ok, maybe classy is not the right word...considering this is a business and these things happen.

"Hey Ballard, we're gonna cut you, and then hope that no one claims you off waivers, and then resign you tomorrow..."

I get it....but I also know what JB did for this team last season, and how BIG he was. Lets not forget he re-injured himself on the sideline trying to get on the field. True Giant.

Eli TO Shockey
06-13-2012, 05:46 PM
Whether or not Ballard will be an affective TE is not the story here

That is a huge part of the story though.

That you chose to ignore the facts in an attempt to make a point ( a very poorly formed one at that) does not strengthen your argument.

All hail to the mighty slipknotin...

Actually it does. Reese and TC admittedly wanted JB back. the "plan" was to pick him up once he cleared waivers...so whether or not he plays next year has no affect on the point that i'm making.

Drez
06-13-2012, 05:47 PM
Not very classy if you ask me. I wish JB the best.


I agree. What BB did was not very classy at all.


right....BB saw a player he liked hit the waiver wire. how dare he?


But, that's not why he's doing it. He did it just to spite the Giants. I think that much is obscenely obvious. Ballard is a good football player, but why else would the Pats waste $550k of cap room and a roster spot through camp (and possibly through Week 6, not too sure if he has to go on PUP first) for a player that will not play this year and might not even be back to form next year?

It's called sour grapes. He knew that we were just making a roster move and decided to piss on our leg and say it's raining.

Eli TO Shockey
06-13-2012, 05:48 PM
Pats are just playing the bitter old man role. He won't play a snap in 2012 and 2013 he will still feel the effects I'm sure. Jake was good in our system, and might be good in the pats system, but it wasn't like we lost a star. I hope he does make it back in blue though

the FO took the risk and it backfired. Obviously they didnt want him back bad enough.

slipknottin
06-13-2012, 05:48 PM
Hey Ballard, we're gonna cut you, and then hope that no one claims you off waivers, and then resign you tomorrow...

I see nothing wrong with that logic when the player is roughly an average player at his position, and is well known to be injured for all of next season.

We all agree Ballard is a good football player, and you hate to lose them.

But I dont see this as a poor decision at all. If you have the tinted glasses of hindsight its always easier to judge.

It was a calculated risk, it didnt turn out the way they wanted, instead they have to find other solutions. Thats what good football management does, it finds the next man up.

Drez
06-13-2012, 05:49 PM
What about this is not classy? Lol

Yes, worst decision of all time to let a player who wasent going to play this season anyway get away.

You learned nothing from last year, I see.

ok, maybe classy is not the right word...considering this is a business and these things happen.

"Hey Ballard, we're gonna cut you, and then hope that no one claims you off waivers, and then resign you tomorrow..."

I get it....but I also know what JB did for this team last season, and how BIG he was. Lets not forget he re-injured himself on the sideline trying to get on the field. True Giant.


Actually, we wouldn't have needed to resign him. As a player with fewer than 5 vested years in the NFL once he clears waivers his rights remain with the Giants. Once that happened, he'd be slipped on IR and we'd have him for next year.

Eli TO Shockey
06-13-2012, 05:50 PM
Not very classy if you ask me. I wish JB the best.


I agree. What BB did was not very classy at all.


right....BB saw a player he liked hit the waiver wire. how dare he?


But, that's not why he's doing it. He did it just to spite the Giants. I think that much is obscenely obvious. Ballard is a good football player, but why else would the Pats waste $550k of cap room and a roster spot through camp (and possibly through Week 6, not too sure if he has to go on PUP first) for a player that will not play this year and might not even be back to form next year?

It's called sour grapes. He knew that we were just making a roster move and decided to piss on our leg and say it's raining.


Yea, that may be the case...I just dont understand why someone would pay a player 550k out of spite. But I wouldnt put it past BB

jomo
06-13-2012, 05:50 PM
I think it's fair to say that JR and our FO really dropped the ball here. It was risky move that backfired.

Whether or not Ballard will be an affective TE is not the story here. It's the fact that we "wanted" to keep Ballard, but made a bonehead decision by letting him go through waivers.

You live by the bullet, you die by the bullet.

Not very classy if you ask me. I wish JB the best.
I think it was an appropriate move by us. To say that we dropped the ball is to say that you or BB know more about Ballard's medical status than the Giants. Remember last year when the Eagles knew more about Steve Smith's medical status than us? How'd that work out for the Eagles?</P>


At the end of the day, cap space utilzation is the difference between winning and losing. JR freed up some space which may mean the difference between repeating and not. BB has handcuffed himself for this year (cap wise)on a guy who may never play again.</P>


I share your appreciation for Ballard and wish him the best.</P>

Drez
06-13-2012, 05:51 PM
Hey Ballard, we're gonna cut you, and then hope that no one claims you off waivers, and then resign you tomorrow...

I see nothing wrong with that logic when the player is roughly an average player at his position, and is well known to be injured for all of next season.

We all agree Ballard is a good football player, and you hate to lose them.

But I dont see this as a poor decision at all. If you have the tinted glasses of hindsight its always easier to judge.

It was a calculated risk, it didnt turn out the way they wanted, instead they have to find other solutions. Thats what good football management does, it finds the next man up.
Yes, it was a risk. But, like 99.9% of the time a situation like this occurs the player isn't picked up, particularly with a guy like Ballard.

Drez
06-13-2012, 05:53 PM
Not very classy if you ask me. I wish JB the best.


I agree. What BB did was not very classy at all.


right....BB saw a player he liked hit the waiver wire. how dare he?


But, that's not why he's doing it. He did it just to spite the Giants. I think that much is obscenely obvious. Ballard is a good football player, but why else would the Pats waste $550k of cap room and a roster spot through camp (and possibly through Week 6, not too sure if he has to go on PUP first) for a player that will not play this year and might not even be back to form next year?

It's called sour grapes. He knew that we were just making a roster move and decided to piss on our leg and say it's raining.


Yea, that may be the case...I just dont understand why someone would pay a player 550k out of spite. But I wouldnt put it past BB

Probably because we shoved two Lombardi Trophies up his rear end. One of them ruining a season that would have truly made him immortal.

Eli TO Shockey
06-13-2012, 05:56 PM
Hey Ballard, we're gonna cut you, and then hope that no one claims you off waivers, and then resign you tomorrow...

I see nothing wrong with that logic when the player is roughly an average player at his position, and is well known to be injured for all of next season.

We all agree Ballard is a good football player, and you hate to lose them.

But I dont see this as a poor decision at all. If you have the tinted glasses of hindsight its always easier to judge.

It was a calculated risk, it didnt turn out the way they wanted, instead they have to find other solutions. Thats what good football management does, it finds the next man up.

I have full trust in JR and what he does. I had no hopes of JB even seeing the field this year....

From what I have read and from what I understand, JR and TC are very upset because they wanted to get Ballard back, and didnt. Whether it makes out team better or worse is a mute point. They are obviously upset, because a player they liked and wanted on the team was picked up...

These things happen. People make mistakes. JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.

Joe Morrison
06-13-2012, 05:59 PM
Hey Ballard, we're gonna cut you, and then hope that no one claims you off waivers, and then resign you tomorrow... I see nothing wrong with that logic when the player is roughly an average player at his position, and is well known to be injured for all of next season. We all agree Ballard is a good football player, and you hate to lose them. But I dont see this as a poor decision at all. If you have the tinted glasses of hindsight its always easier to judge. It was a calculated risk, it didnt turn out the way they wanted, instead they have to find other solutions. Thats what good football management does, it finds the next man up.

I have full trust in JR and what he does. I had no hopes of JB even seeing the field this year....

From what I have read and from what I understand, JR and TC are very upset because they wanted to get Ballard back, and didnt. Whether it makes out team better or worse is a mute point. They are obviously upset, because a player they liked and wanted on the team was picked up...

These things happen. People make mistakes. JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.
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I get the thought process but you gambled away Ballard to Sign Rocky What have I done for you Lately Rocky Bernard!</P>

Eli TO Shockey
06-13-2012, 05:59 PM
What about this is not classy? Lol

Yes, worst decision of all time to let a player who wasent going to play this season anyway get away.

You learned nothing from last year, I see.

ok, maybe classy is not the right word...considering this is a business and these things happen.

"Hey Ballard, we're gonna cut you, and then hope that no one claims you off waivers, and then resign you tomorrow..."

I get it....but I also know what JB did for this team last season, and how BIG he was. Lets not forget he re-injured himself on the sideline trying to get on the field. True Giant.


Actually, we wouldn't have needed to resign him. As a player with fewer than 5 vested years in the NFL once he clears waivers his rights remain with the Giants. Once that happened, he'd be slipped on IR and we'd have him for next year.


so had he cleared waivers, we could have put him on IR without paying him?

slipknottin
06-13-2012, 06:02 PM
JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.


Again, you are oversimplifying.

Are you saying you knew, in foresight that the patriots would pick up Ballard? Are you suggesting that the giants should have known that?

Its not a screw up unless they knew beforehand that Ballard would be picked up and they waived him anyway.

RoanokeFan
06-13-2012, 06:03 PM
I think it's fair to say that JR and our FO really dropped the ball here. It was risky move that backfired.

Whether or not Ballard will be an affective TE is not the story here. It's the fact that we "wanted" to keep Ballard, but made a bonehead decision by letting him go through waivers.

You live by the bullet, you die by the bullet.

Not very classy if you ask me. I wish JB the best.


Really? A player who is not going to play next season was released in the hopes he'd clear waivers. He didn't. That's how it goes. I'm guessing this was a slap at the GIANTS by Belichick but we'll just wait and see. He's lost two in a row to Coughlins and needs inside help it appears. OR, they'll bench Gronkoski and assign Ballard a segue to run his routes!

jomo
06-13-2012, 06:03 PM
JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.
Again, you are oversimplifying. Are you saying you knew, in foresight that the patriots would pick up Ballard? Are you suggesting that the giants should have known that? Its not a screw up unless they knew beforehand that Ballard would be picked up but they waived him anyway..............and even if they did know it is still not a screw up. We dumped salary and they added salary on a guy who may not play again. This one still needs to play itself out.

Drez
06-13-2012, 06:05 PM
I get the thought process but you gambled away Ballard to Sign Rocky What have I done for you Lately Rocky Bernard!</p>
We didn't waive Ballard to sign Rocky. We waived Ballard to use that roster spot on a player that would contribute this year. The player that happened to be signed on the same day was Rocky. Ballard will take up a roster spot on NE until at least the regular season begins and possibly even as long as Week 6.

Eli TO Shockey
06-13-2012, 06:06 PM
JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.


Again, you are oversimplifying.

Are you saying you knew, in foresight that the patriots would pick up Ballard? Are you suggesting that the giants should have known that?

Its not a screw up unless they knew beforehand that Ballard would be picked up and they waived him anyway.

Im saying it was a risk...that backfired.

Drez
06-13-2012, 06:06 PM
What about this is not classy? Lol

Yes, worst decision of all time to let a player who wasent going to play this season anyway get away.

You learned nothing from last year, I see.

ok, maybe classy is not the right word...considering this is a business and these things happen.

"Hey Ballard, we're gonna cut you, and then hope that no one claims you off waivers, and then resign you tomorrow..."

I get it....but I also know what JB did for this team last season, and how BIG he was. Lets not forget he re-injured himself on the sideline trying to get on the field. True Giant.


Actually, we wouldn't have needed to resign him. As a player with fewer than 5 vested years in the NFL once he clears waivers his rights remain with the Giants. Once that happened, he'd be slipped on IR and we'd have him for next year.


so had he cleared waivers, we could have put him on IR without paying him?

I'm not sure what his pay would be. But, whatever it would be it wouldn't count against this years cap.

jomo
06-13-2012, 06:08 PM
JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.
Again, you are oversimplifying. Are you saying you knew, in foresight that the patriots would pick up Ballard? Are you suggesting that the giants should have known that? Its not a screw up unless they knew beforehand that Ballard would be picked up and they waived him anyway.

Im saying it was a risk...that backfired.
If we lose a DT or two this year it will not backfire. If Ballard never plays again, it will not backfire, If Ballard is a career backup it will not backfire.</P>


I would like everyone to take a deep breath and step back from the ledge.</P>

Eli TO Shockey
06-13-2012, 06:10 PM
I think it's fair to say that JR and our FO really dropped the ball here. It was risky move that backfired.

Whether or not Ballard will be an affective TE is not the story here. It's the fact that we "wanted" to keep Ballard, but made a bonehead decision by letting him go through waivers.

You live by the bullet, you die by the bullet.

Not very classy if you ask me. I wish JB the best.


Really? A player who is not going to play next season was released in the hopes he'd clear waivers. He didn't. That's how it goes. I'm guessing this was a slap at the GIANTS by Belichick but we'll just wait and see. He's lost two in a row to Coughlins and needs inside help it appears. OR, they'll bench Gronkoski and assign Ballard a segue to run his routes!


lol. nice idea.

If I leave a $20 on the street, I cant expect it to be there the next day. And, I can't be mad that someone took it. I can't possibly be upset and agry unless I thought there was no possible way that 20 would be gone.

RoanokeFan
06-13-2012, 06:10 PM
JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.


Again, you are oversimplifying.

Are you saying you knew, in foresight that the patriots would pick up Ballard? Are you suggesting that the giants should have known that?

Its not a screw up unless they knew beforehand that Ballard would be picked up and they waived him anyway.

Im saying it was a risk...that backfired.


Even if it is, it won't backfire until 2013. By then, Martellus Bennett may make us forget all about Ballard, as Crux has made us forget what's his name [;)]

Eli TO Shockey
06-13-2012, 06:11 PM
JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.
Again, you are oversimplifying. Are you saying you knew, in foresight that the patriots would pick up Ballard? Are you suggesting that the giants should have known that? Its not a screw up unless they knew beforehand that Ballard would be picked up and they waived him anyway.

Im saying it was a risk...that backfired.
If we lose a DT or two this year it will not backfire. If Ballard never plays again, it will not backfire, If Ballard is a career backup it will not backfire.</p>


I would like everyone to take a deep breath and step back from the ledge.</p>

JOMO , you are the man, but I have to disagree. Im just sayin that if you really want/like a player, like it seems with JB, then you dont make him available to the rest of the league. And if someone snags him , dont be upset about it.

RoanokeFan
06-13-2012, 06:13 PM
I think it's fair to say that JR and our FO really dropped the ball here. It was risky move that backfired.

Whether or not Ballard will be an affective TE is not the story here. It's the fact that we "wanted" to keep Ballard, but made a bonehead decision by letting him go through waivers.

You live by the bullet, you die by the bullet.

Not very classy if you ask me. I wish JB the best.


Really? A player who is not going to play next season was released in the hopes he'd clear waivers. He didn't. That's how it goes. I'm guessing this was a slap at the GIANTS by Belichick but we'll just wait and see. He's lost two in a row to Coughlins and needs inside help it appears. OR, they'll bench Gronkoski and assign Ballard a segue to run his routes!


lol. nice idea.

If I leave a $20 on the street, I cant expect it to be there the next day. And, I can't be mad that someone took it. I can't possibly be upset and agry unless I thought there was no possible way that 20 would be gone.


He was passed up by every other team. You don't think there is just a little revenge motive for the Pats? Especially considering Ballard won't play this season? Of course the Patriot doctors may think he'll be ready by day 1, like the Eagles did Steve Smith. I wouldn't be surprised if the Pats don't release Ballard before next season starts.

We were not planning on having Jake this season so in terms of changing the game plan, not an issue.

RoanokeFan
06-13-2012, 06:14 PM
JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.
Again, you are oversimplifying. Are you saying you knew, in foresight that the patriots would pick up Ballard? Are you suggesting that the giants should have known that? Its not a screw up unless they knew beforehand that Ballard would be picked up and they waived him anyway.

Im saying it was a risk...that backfired.
If we lose a DT or two this year it will not backfire. If Ballard never plays again, it will not backfire, If Ballard is a career backup it will not backfire.</p>


I would like everyone to take a deep breath and step back from the ledge.</p>

JOMO , you are the man, but I have to disagree. Im just sayin that if you really want/like a player, like it seems with JB, then you dont make him available to the rest of the league. And if someone snags him , dont be upset about it.


It's not OK to be disappointed?

jomo
06-13-2012, 06:19 PM
JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.
Again, you are oversimplifying. Are you saying you knew, in foresight that the patriots would pick up Ballard? Are you suggesting that the giants should have known that? Its not a screw up unless they knew beforehand that Ballard would be picked up and they waived him anyway.

Im saying it was a risk...that backfired.
If we lose a DT or two this year it will not backfire. If Ballard never plays again, it will not backfire, If Ballard is a career backup it will not backfire.</P>


I would like everyone to take a deep breath and step back from the ledge.</P>

JOMO , you are the man, but I have to disagree. Im just sayin that if you really want/like a player, like it seems with JB, then you dont make him available to the rest of the league. And if someone snags him , dont be upset about it.
First off, I am not the man lol. (don't try to soften me up) Second, I posted a [:@] yesterday to express my general emotions over losing Ballard. JR could have been more aggessive and I might have been more aggressive in just bedding down Ballard. He didn't. I am just saying that in today's NFL, the salary cap is vital to success and we now have more $$ to spend on defending the crown. I am not happy that Ballard is gone and believe him to be a true Giant but the Pats haven't won this one anymore than the Eagles won last year with Smith. It still needs to play itself out. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

Eli TO Shockey
06-13-2012, 06:19 PM
JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.
Again, you are oversimplifying. Are you saying you knew, in foresight that the patriots would pick up Ballard? Are you suggesting that the giants should have known that? Its not a screw up unless they knew beforehand that Ballard would be picked up and they waived him anyway.

Im saying it was a risk...that backfired.
If we lose a DT or two this year it will not backfire. If Ballard never plays again, it will not backfire, If Ballard is a career backup it will not backfire.</p>


I would like everyone to take a deep breath and step back from the ledge.</p>

JOMO , you are the man, but I have to disagree. Im just sayin that if you really want/like a player, like it seems with JB, then you dont make him available to the rest of the league. And if someone snags him , dont be upset about it.


It's not OK to be disappointed?


these things happen. I just dont see the need to be angry and disappointed, considering the risk involved with a letting a player go through wavers.

RoanokeFan
06-13-2012, 06:21 PM
Not very classy if you ask me. I wish JB the best.


I agree. What BB did was not very classy at all.


right....BB saw a player he liked hit the waiver wire. how dare he?


But, that's not why he's doing it. He did it just to spite the Giants. I think that much is obscenely obvious. Ballard is a good football player, but why else would the Pats waste $550k of cap room and a roster spot through camp (and possibly through Week 6, not too sure if he has to go on PUP first) for a player that will not play this year and might not even be back to form next year?

It's called sour grapes. He knew that we were just making a roster move and decided to piss on our leg and say it's raining.


Yea, that may be the case...I just dont understand why someone would pay a player 550k out of spite. But I wouldnt put it past BB


I think his ego can't process two losses to Coughlin. He's the kind of guy that will eat his young to beat Coughlin. Will Ballard help? Not on the field this season. I can see Belichick paying at least that much to pick Ballard's brain and then kick him to the curb.

slipknottin
06-13-2012, 06:21 PM
if you really want/like a player, like it seems with JB, then you dont make him available to the rest of the league. And if someone snags him , dont be upset about it.


You do realize that is the entire basis of FA, right?

You think Reese wasent disappointed when he lost a guy like Smith, or Boss, or Jacobs, or whoever else?

You try to keep as many good football players as you can, but its not possible to keep all the ones you like. The most important thing for any football team is the concept of next man up. And fans have the hardest time understanding that.

RoanokeFan
06-13-2012, 06:22 PM
JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.
Again, you are oversimplifying. Are you saying you knew, in foresight that the patriots would pick up Ballard? Are you suggesting that the giants should have known that? Its not a screw up unless they knew beforehand that Ballard would be picked up and they waived him anyway.

Im saying it was a risk...that backfired.
If we lose a DT or two this year it will not backfire. If Ballard never plays again, it will not backfire, If Ballard is a career backup it will not backfire.</p>


I would like everyone to take a deep breath and step back from the ledge.</p>

JOMO , you are the man, but I have to disagree. Im just sayin that if you really want/like a player, like it seems with JB, then you dont make him available to the rest of the league. And if someone snags him , dont be upset about it.


It's not OK to be disappointed?


these things happen. I just dont see the need to be angry and disappointed, considering the risk involved with a letting a player go through wavers.


Coughlin was angry when Smith left. He felt we were not given a chance to make a counter, and he was right. He got over that.

Eli TO Shockey
06-13-2012, 06:24 PM
JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.
Again, you are oversimplifying. Are you saying you knew, in foresight that the patriots would pick up Ballard? Are you suggesting that the giants should have known that? Its not a screw up unless they knew beforehand that Ballard would be picked up and they waived him anyway.

Im saying it was a risk...that backfired.
If we lose a DT or two this year it will not backfire. If Ballard never plays again, it will not backfire, If Ballard is a career backup it will not backfire.</p>


I would like everyone to take a deep breath and step back from the ledge.</p>

JOMO , you are the man, but I have to disagree. Im just sayin that if you really want/like a player, like it seems with JB, then you dont make him available to the rest of the league. And if someone snags him , dont be upset about it.
First off, I am not the man lol. (don't try to soften me up) Second, I posted a [:@] yesterday to express my general emotions over losing Ballard. JR could have been more aggessive and I might have been more aggressive in just bedding down Ballard. He didn't. I am just saying that in today's NFL, the salary cap is vital to success and we now have more $$ to spend on defending the crown. I am not happy that Ballard is gone and believe him to be a true Giant but the Pats haven't won this one anymore than the Eagles won last year with Smith. It still needs to play itself out. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

Its an excellent story Jomo, just different than the point that I was making. All that you said makes sense and I agree with. His success/failure or salary cap room has nothing to do with JR and TC being angry ballard didnt clear waivers. This was clearly a possibility, why the sudden surprise?

Eli TO Shockey
06-13-2012, 06:26 PM
if you really want/like a player, like it seems with JB, then you dont make him available to the rest of the league. And if someone snags him , dont be upset about it.


You do realize that is the entire basis of FA, right?

You think Reese wasent disappointed when he lost a guy like Smith, or Boss, or Jacobs, or whoever else?

You try to keep as many good football players as you can, but its not possible to keep all the ones you like. The most important thing for any football team is the concept of next man up. And fans have the hardest time understanding that.

A player hitting free agency and a player being waived is 2 different things. Lets not compare the two.

Eli TO Shockey
06-13-2012, 06:27 PM
JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.
Again, you are oversimplifying. Are you saying you knew, in foresight that the patriots would pick up Ballard? Are you suggesting that the giants should have known that? Its not a screw up unless they knew beforehand that Ballard would be picked up and they waived him anyway.

Im saying it was a risk...that backfired.
If we lose a DT or two this year it will not backfire. If Ballard never plays again, it will not backfire, If Ballard is a career backup it will not backfire.</p>


I would like everyone to take a deep breath and step back from the ledge.</p>

JOMO , you are the man, but I have to disagree. Im just sayin that if you really want/like a player, like it seems with JB, then you dont make him available to the rest of the league. And if someone snags him , dont be upset about it.


It's not OK to be disappointed?


these things happen. I just dont see the need to be angry and disappointed, considering the risk involved with a letting a player go through wavers.


Coughlin was angry when Smith left. He felt we were not given a chance to make a counter, and he was right. He got over that.


Smith wasnt under contract, then placed through waivers. Different story when it comes to free agency.

slipknottin
06-13-2012, 06:28 PM
A player hitting free agency and a player being waived is 2 different things. Lets not compare the two.

It really isnt though. Its always a matter of three things, salary cap room, roster space, and quality/health of the player.

In this case, it was a scenario where the player was injured, and they needed the extra roster spot. In other cases, the player is not good enough to make the final roster (think a guy like Cameron Wake, or James Harrison).

Other times you can not afford to keep a player, and he is waived (Rolle) or can not be resigned.

Its all in the same boat.

Again, its the concept of next man up. That is the only way to run a quality franchise.

jomo
06-13-2012, 06:28 PM
JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.
Again, you are oversimplifying. Are you saying you knew, in foresight that the patriots would pick up Ballard? Are you suggesting that the giants should have known that? Its not a screw up unless they knew beforehand that Ballard would be picked up and they waived him anyway.

Im saying it was a risk...that backfired.
If we lose a DT or two this year it will not backfire. If Ballard never plays again, it will not backfire, If Ballard is a career backup it will not backfire.</P>


I would like everyone to take a deep breath and step back from the ledge.</P>

JOMO , you are the man, but I have to disagree. Im just sayin that if you really want/like a player, like it seems with JB, then you dont make him available to the rest of the league. And if someone snags him , dont be upset about it.
First off, I am not the man lol. (don't try to soften me up) Second, I posted a [:@] yesterday to express my general emotions over losing Ballard. JR could have been more aggessive and I might have been more aggressive in just bedding down Ballard. He didn't. I am just saying that in today's NFL, the salary cap is vital to success and we now have more $$ to spend on defending the crown. I am not happy that Ballard is gone and believe him to be a true Giant but the Pats haven't won this one anymore than the Eagles won last year with Smith. It still needs to play itself out. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

Its an excellent story Jomo, just different than the point that I was making. All that you said makes sense and I agree with. His success/failure or salary cap room has nothing to do with JR and TC being angry ballard didnt clear waivers. This was clearly a possibility, why the sudden surprise?
I agree with that. The fact that he didn't clear wavershouldn't make JR and TC angry. They put him out there. It strikes me as if they are trying to look for cover. That is not their style. Definitely out of character unless I've got their comments out of context. They made their decision and they need to live with it. What the hell does that mean anyway that they are angry??

Flip Empty
06-13-2012, 06:32 PM
It's not the first time the Patriots have gone after a player who burned them. They traded for Welker after he had a big game against them.

I'd like to think this was purely a football decision on the Pats' part. I could be wrong, but either way, good on them. They've stashed a good player.

buddy33
06-13-2012, 06:35 PM
So what ou are saying is that he should have carried a guy who will not play a single down this year and could possibly be less than 100% even next year? Oh yeah, what a horrible GM the Giants have. It's those decisions that make him a great GM. He is trying to win another Super Bowl.

slipknottin
06-13-2012, 06:36 PM
The fact that he didn't clear wavershouldn't make JR and TC angry. They put him out there. It strikes me as if they are trying to look for cover

To me it seems more like shock than anything. They both seem extremely surprised that another team claimed him.

RoanokeFan
06-13-2012, 06:37 PM
JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.
Again, you are oversimplifying. Are you saying you knew, in foresight that the patriots would pick up Ballard? Are you suggesting that the giants should have known that? Its not a screw up unless they knew beforehand that Ballard would be picked up and they waived him anyway.

Im saying it was a risk...that backfired.
If we lose a DT or two this year it will not backfire. If Ballard never plays again, it will not backfire, If Ballard is a career backup it will not backfire.</p>


I would like everyone to take a deep breath and step back from the ledge.</p>

JOMO , you are the man, but I have to disagree. Im just sayin that if you really want/like a player, like it seems with JB, then you dont make him available to the rest of the league. And if someone snags him , dont be upset about it.


It's not OK to be disappointed?


these things happen. I just dont see the need to be angry and disappointed, considering the risk involved with a letting a player go through wavers.


Coughlin was angry when Smith left. He felt we were not given a chance to make a counter, and he was right. He got over that.


Smith wasnt under contract, then placed through waivers. Different story when it comes to free agency.


A loss of a player is a loss of a player. Everything we do has consequences. I'd ask Jerry Reese one question. If you knew the Pats were going to upend you, would you have still released him?

We don't know the answer to that a likely never will.

RoanokeFan
06-13-2012, 06:38 PM
The fact that he didn't clear wavershouldn't make JR and TC angry. They put him out there. It strikes me as if they are trying to look for cover

To me it seems more like shock than anything. They both seem extremely surprised that another team claimed him.

Me too. And to a team not having a TE need to take a TE who isn't going to play???

buddy33
06-13-2012, 06:39 PM
I still don't understand why the Patriots picked him up.

slipknottin
06-13-2012, 06:41 PM
I still don't understand why the Patriots picked him up.

I bet they trade him next offseason when he has some value. Maybe back to the giants, lol.

Flip Empty
06-13-2012, 06:44 PM
I still don't understand why the Patriots picked him up.
He won't be available until next season and its possible they lose Aaron Hernandez next off-season. Perhaps they see Ballard as insurance. Who knows. Maybe they just saw a player they liked on the waiver wire and claimed him.

Why'd they draft Ryan Mallett if they had no plans to play him. The Patriots aren't stupid.

I just don't see any wrongdoing. You don't cut players you want to keep.

Drez
06-13-2012, 06:45 PM
This was clearly a possibility, why the sudden surprise?


Because it is essentially unheard of.

RoanokeFan
06-13-2012, 06:45 PM
I still don't understand why the Patriots picked him up.

I bet they trade him next offseason when he has some value. Maybe back to the giants, lol.

Leave off the lol and I'm with you [;)]

Eli TO Shockey
06-13-2012, 06:47 PM
JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.
Again, you are oversimplifying. Are you saying you knew, in foresight that the patriots would pick up Ballard? Are you suggesting that the giants should have known that? Its not a screw up unless they knew beforehand that Ballard would be picked up and they waived him anyway.

Im saying it was a risk...that backfired.
If we lose a DT or two this year it will not backfire. If Ballard never plays again, it will not backfire, If Ballard is a career backup it will not backfire.</p>


I would like everyone to take a deep breath and step back from the ledge.</p>

JOMO , you are the man, but I have to disagree. Im just sayin that if you really want/like a player, like it seems with JB, then you dont make him available to the rest of the league. And if someone snags him , dont be upset about it.
First off, I am not the man lol. (don't try to soften me up) Second, I posted a [:@] yesterday to express my general emotions over losing Ballard. JR could have been more aggessive and I might have been more aggressive in just bedding down Ballard. He didn't. I am just saying that in today's NFL, the salary cap is vital to success and we now have more $$ to spend on defending the crown. I am not happy that Ballard is gone and believe him to be a true Giant but the Pats haven't won this one anymore than the Eagles won last year with Smith. It still needs to play itself out. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

Its an excellent story Jomo, just different than the point that I was making. All that you said makes sense and I agree with. His success/failure or salary cap room has nothing to do with JR and TC being angry ballard didnt clear waivers. This was clearly a possibility, why the sudden surprise?
I agree with that. The fact that he didn't clear wavershouldn't make JR and TC angry. They put him out there. It strikes me as if they are trying to look for cover. That is not their style. Definitely out of character unless I've got their comments out of context. They made their decision and they need to live with it. What the hell does that mean anyway that they are angry??

all i was saying was that it seems as if from their end, they made a mistake.

RoanokeFan
06-13-2012, 07:03 PM
JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.
Again, you are oversimplifying. Are you saying you knew, in foresight that the patriots would pick up Ballard? Are you suggesting that the giants should have known that? Its not a screw up unless they knew beforehand that Ballard would be picked up and they waived him anyway.

Im saying it was a risk...that backfired.
If we lose a DT or two this year it will not backfire. If Ballard never plays again, it will not backfire, If Ballard is a career backup it will not backfire.</p>


I would like everyone to take a deep breath and step back from the ledge.</p>

JOMO , you are the man, but I have to disagree. Im just sayin that if you really want/like a player, like it seems with JB, then you dont make him available to the rest of the league. And if someone snags him , dont be upset about it.
First off, I am not the man lol. (don't try to soften me up) Second, I posted a [:@] yesterday to express my general emotions over losing Ballard. JR could have been more aggessive and I might have been more aggressive in just bedding down Ballard. He didn't. I am just saying that in today's NFL, the salary cap is vital to success and we now have more $$ to spend on defending the crown. I am not happy that Ballard is gone and believe him to be a true Giant but the Pats haven't won this one anymore than the Eagles won last year with Smith. It still needs to play itself out. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

Its an excellent story Jomo, just different than the point that I was making. All that you said makes sense and I agree with. His success/failure or salary cap room has nothing to do with JR and TC being angry ballard didnt clear waivers. This was clearly a possibility, why the sudden surprise?
I agree with that. The fact that he didn't clear wavershouldn't make JR and TC angry. They put him out there. It strikes me as if they are trying to look for cover. That is not their style. Definitely out of character unless I've got their comments out of context. They made their decision and they need to live with it. What the hell does that mean anyway that they are angry??

Reese doesn't seem angry. Coughlin is angry but that's not atypical for him.

T-Murda84
06-13-2012, 07:15 PM
JR, who seems to have wanted Ballard back on this team, is upset because he screwed up.
Again, you are oversimplifying. Are you saying you knew, in foresight that the patriots would pick up Ballard? Are you suggesting that the giants should have known that? Its not a screw up unless they knew beforehand that Ballard would be picked up and they waived him anyway.

Im saying it was a risk...that backfired.
If we lose a DT or two this year it will not backfire. If Ballard never plays again, it will not backfire, If Ballard is a career backup it will not backfire.</p>


I would like everyone to take a deep breath and step back from the ledge.</p>

JOMO , you are the man, but I have to disagree. Im just sayin that if you really want/like a player, like it seems with JB, then you dont make him available to the rest of the league. And if someone snags him , dont be upset about it.
First off, I am not the man lol. (don't try to soften me up) Second, I posted a [:@] yesterday to express my general emotions over losing Ballard. JR could have been more aggessive and I might have been more aggressive in just bedding down Ballard. He didn't. I am just saying that in today's NFL, the salary cap is vital to success and we now have more $$ to spend on defending the crown. I am not happy that Ballard is gone and believe him to be a true Giant but the Pats haven't won this one anymore than the Eagles won last year with Smith. It still needs to play itself out. That's my story and I'm sticking to it!

Its an excellent story Jomo, just different than the point that I was making. All that you said makes sense and I agree with. His success/failure or salary cap room has nothing to do with JR and TC being angry ballard didnt clear waivers. This was clearly a possibility, why the sudden surprise?
I agree with that. The fact that he didn't clear wavershouldn't make JR and TC angry. They put him out there. It strikes me as if they are trying to look for cover. That is not their style. Definitely out of character unless I've got their comments out of context. They made their decision and they need to live with it. What the hell does that mean anyway that they are angry??*

Reese doesn't seem angry.* Coughlin is angry but that's not atypical for him.


Coughlin should be mad. Eli and Ballard was on the same page and could of molded Ballard into a very very good tight end...the sky was the limit for Ballard. Beckum is trash, Bear Pascoe plays hard even tho he does not have the skillset to be a full time starter. And give me a break about Bennett. Like I said, Bennett cant catch a cold and has a terrible work ethic....Hes looking more like a left tackle every day. Reese dropped the ball again. Pope is going to have his work cut out for him again, he should clobber Reese.

slipknottin
06-13-2012, 07:16 PM
Reese dropped the ball again..

lmao, this is hilarious.

Yes, because last time Reese dropped the ball his team won the SB.

As for Bennett being lazy, not sure how a lazy player becomes the best blocking TE in the league, must be magic.

buddy33
06-13-2012, 07:18 PM
He dropped the ball because they won't have a guy on the team this year that won't play a single down this season?

Ok.

buddy33
06-13-2012, 07:19 PM
Did everyone forget that he signed a FA TE and drafted another one?

Remember last year when everyone was saying he dropped the ball on the TE position?

Drez
06-13-2012, 07:20 PM
Did everyone forget that he signed a FA TE and drafted another one?

Remember last year when everyone was saying he dropped the ball on the TE position?
And the slot WR position.

T-Murda84
06-13-2012, 07:22 PM
Reese dropped the ball again..

lmao, this is hilarious.

Yes, because last time Reese dropped the ball his team won the SB.

As for Bennett being lazy, not sure how a lazy player becomes the best blocking TE in the league, must be magic.

Its a passing league, being the best blocking tight end isnt saying much at all anymore. If the Cowboys used more spread formations, Bennett would of been out of the league.

slipknottin
06-13-2012, 07:24 PM
Its a passing league, being the best blocking tight end isnt saying much at all anymore.
Yea, certainly nobody runs the ball anymore. And Bennett being the best pass blocking TE in the league is surely pointless.


If the Cowboys used more spread formations, Bennett would of been out of the league.

I dont see the coorelation. Cowboys did use a ton of 3 wide, which is why Bennett did not play all that much last season.
And if you are going to reply with "if he was good he would have stayed on the field", well, Witten is one of the best receiving TEs in the league.

RoanokeFan
06-13-2012, 07:24 PM
Reese dropped the ball again..

lmao, this is hilarious.

Yes, because last time Reese dropped the ball his team won the SB.

As for Bennett being lazy, not sure how a lazy player becomes the best blocking TE in the league, must be magic.

Its a passing league, being the best blocking tight end isnt saying much at all anymore. If the Cowboys used more spread formations, Bennett would of been out of the league.

In order to flourish in the "passing league" your QB has to remain upright. Here, the TE is a lineman who is asked to catch now and then

DEgiants89
06-13-2012, 07:27 PM
What about this is not classy? Lol

Yes, worst decision of all time to let a player who wasent going to play this season anyway get away.

You learned nothing from last year, I see.

Preach, I am sad that he won't be on the team but he wasn't gonna play regardless so what can you do, def not mad. Things like this happen. It has been interesting too, whenever we lost a piece we always started to make up with it the next season so ppl need to relax! Whether it is from Tiki to Plax/Amani to w.e....on to the next challenge!

T-Murda84
06-13-2012, 07:27 PM
He dropped the ball because they won't have a guy on the team this year that won't play a single down this season?

Ok.

Ballard was a young player with a lot of potential and developed a good chemistry with Eli. Eli trusted him with clutch passses and he always had the ability to get open. Our tight end position was a mess LAST YEAR, but Ballard single handley made the tight end position solid. Next year, we only have Bennett, Beckum, a street free agent, and a rookie for Rocky Bernard who is a 4th stringer at best and is at the end of career. When Bernard gets pushed around again, u will see where im coming from.

slipknottin
06-13-2012, 07:30 PM
Ballard was a young player with a lot of potential and developed a good chemistry with Eli.

Frankly I think Ballard is maxed out, and wont improve much at all.


Next year, we only have Bennett, Beckum, a street free agent, and a rookie
Which is substantially better than what they had going into last season.


for Rocky Bernard who is a 4th stringer at best and is at the end of career. When Bernard gets pushed around again, u will see where im coming from.

Rocky Bernard played very well down the stretch and in the playoffs. He did more in the playoff run and during the playoffs than Ballard did.

RoanokeFan
06-13-2012, 07:30 PM
He dropped the ball because they won't have a guy on the team this year that won't play a single down this season?

Ok.

Ballard was a young player with a lot of potential and developed a good chemistry with Eli. Eli trusted him with clutch passses and he always had the ability to get open. Our tight end position was a mess LAST YEAR, but Ballard single handley made the tight end position solid. Next year, we only have Bennett, Beckum, a street free agent, and a rookie for Rocky Bernard who is a 4th stringer at best and is at the end of career. When Bernard gets pushed around again, u will see where im coming from.

What happened to Pascoe?

buddy33
06-13-2012, 07:32 PM
Those would still be he only TE's Eli would have to throw to his year anyway. What don't you understand? Ballard is not playing this year.

BlueBlitzer
06-13-2012, 07:34 PM
I think it's fair to say that JR and our FO really dropped the ball here. It was risky move that backfired.

Whether or not Ballard will be an affective TE is not the story here. It's the fact that we "wanted" to keep Ballard, but made a bonehead decision by letting him go through waivers.

You live by the bullet, you die by the bullet.

Not very classy if you ask me. I wish JB the best.


People were saying the same thing about Boss's departure. Big Blue saved 500.000 ( Which can be used on another player. One that will help us win This Year )

DEgiants89
06-13-2012, 07:35 PM
He dropped the ball because they won't have a guy on the team this year that won't play a single down this season?

Ok.

Ballard was a young player with a lot of potential and developed a good chemistry with Eli. Eli trusted him with clutch passses and he always had the ability to get open. Our tight end position was a mess LAST YEAR, but Ballard single handley made the tight end position solid. Next year, we only have Bennett, Beckum, a street free agent, and a rookie for Rocky Bernard who is a 4th stringer at best and is at the end of career. When Bernard gets pushed around again, u will see where im coming from.

what about Pascoe and Ballard played good and did what he was supposed to but he wasnt some outrageously epic TE talent...we can easily do better. Had memorable plays sure but I think you are hyping him up more than his billing. Yet he was a rookie so who knows if he could keep playing at a high level even if he didnt have this injury.

buddy33
06-13-2012, 07:36 PM
Last year Ballard was a unknown factor that REESE kept on the team. So Reese knew enough last year to sign Ballard but he no doesn't know wha he is doing by signing a TE in FA and drafting another one.

Ok.

Drez
06-13-2012, 07:36 PM
Those would still be he only TE's Eli would have to throw to his year anyway. What don't you understand? Ballard is not playing this year.
Why do I think TMurda has a voodoo shrine dedicated to Reese in an antechamber in his basement?

fansince69
06-13-2012, 07:45 PM
Reese dropped the ball again..

lmao, this is hilarious.

Yes, because last time Reese dropped the ball his team won the SB.

As for Bennett being lazy, not sure how a lazy player becomes the best blocking TE in the league, must be magic.

SO Reese has won 2 super bowls in the five years hes been GM.....If that is the definition of "dropping the ball" I hope he drops it every year......I would be willing to be there are 31 other GMS that would love to drop the ball as well......I really am trying to understand why everyone is making such a big deal out of losing a solid but surely not spectacular player that is NOT even going to play this year.


PLEASE explain it to me someone

Simmsy
06-13-2012, 07:55 PM
A lot of people are making very little sense. They're saying Ballard was a good player, but the Patriots only picked him up out of spite.

Giants FO dropped the ball here, pure and simple, but it's not really that big of a deal. I have no doubt they would take it back if they could.

T-Murda84
06-13-2012, 07:57 PM
Reese dropped the ball again..

lmao, this is hilarious.

Yes, because last time Reese dropped the ball his team won the SB.

As for Bennett being lazy, not sure how a lazy player becomes the best blocking TE in the league, must be magic.

SO Reese has won 2 super bowls in the five years hes been GM.....If that is the definition of "dropping the ball" I hope he drops it every year......I would be willing to be there are 31 other GMS that would love to drop the ball as well......I really am trying to understand why everyone is making such a big deal out of losing a solid but surely not spectacular player that is NOT even going to play this year.


PLEASE explain it to me someone


Most GMs are still trying to find their Franchise QB, well-respected coaching staff, and defensive weapons.

When Reese came to the Giants he already had his franchise QB behind one of the best Offensive Lines in the NFL. He already had a Well Respected Coaching staff...and a future hall of famer Strahan, leader in Pierce and young talent reaching their prime...Osi, Tuck, Webster.

All Reese had to do was add role players to the core players of the franchise. When the Eli Manning/ Coughlin era ends...it will be a lot harder as a Gm. Reese is a decent GM, but you give him waaay too much credit.

BlueBlooded1979
06-13-2012, 07:57 PM
What is amazing is that the "In Reese We Trust" fan boys will swear this was the right move when Reese practically admitted it was an error to do this. Coughlin seemed pretty annoyed about it too.
The speculation by GMB members on Ballards future post injury is pure crap and useless for this discussion. Reese liked him and wanted to keep him around but he slipped up trying to clear an extra roster spot.

He is a good GM but far from infalible.

Simmsy
06-13-2012, 07:59 PM
A loss of a player is a loss of a player.* Everything we do has consequences.* I'd ask Jerry Reese one question.* If you knew the Pats were going to upend you, would you have still released him?

We don't know the answer to that a likely never will.
I have no doubt the answer to that question is "no, we would not ahve still released him." The Giants were obviously, and very publicly, upset that they lost him. I can only imagine the yelling and screaming taking place behind closed doors.

T-Murda84
06-13-2012, 08:02 PM
What is amazing is that the "In Reese We Trust" fan boys will swear this was the right move when Reese practically admitted it was an error to do this. Coughlin seemed pretty annoyed about it too.
The speculation by GMB members on Ballards future post injury is pure crap and useless for this discussion. Reese liked him and wanted to keep him around but he slipped up trying to clear an extra roster spot.

He is a good GM but far from infalible.

Thank you +1

RoanokeFan
06-13-2012, 08:02 PM
What is amazing is that the "In Reese We Trust" fan boys will swear this was the right move when Reese practically admitted it was an error to do this. Coughlin seemed pretty annoyed about it too.
The speculation by GMB members on Ballards future post injury is pure crap and useless for this discussion. Reese liked him and wanted to keep him around but he slipped up trying to clear an extra roster spot.

He is a good GM but far from infalible.

Who said he's infallible? Of course he wanted to keep him, that's not in dispute. It was a calculated risk on a player who was not going to take a snap this season.

T-Murda84
06-13-2012, 08:08 PM
What is amazing is that the "In Reese We Trust" fan boys will swear this was the right move when Reese practically admitted it was an error to do this. Coughlin seemed pretty annoyed about it too.
The speculation by GMB members on Ballards future post injury is pure crap and useless for this discussion. Reese liked him and wanted to keep him around but he slipped up trying to clear an extra roster spot.

He is a good GM but far from infalible.

Who said he's infallible?* Of course he wanted to keep him, that's not in dispute.* It was a calculated risk on a player who was not going to take a snap this season.


We are looking at the big picture...Ballard could of possibly been a young player who could of developed into a good tight end. Its not a calculated risk, because Bernard rarely makes an impact for us anyway...Marvin Austin make get more playing time than him. Bernard was a guy that we cut twice in two season and you call it a calculated risk when we have a young promising hardworking player who was a starter last year. Reese messed up again and people dont want to admit it.

fansince69
06-13-2012, 08:11 PM
Reese dropped the ball again..

lmao, this is hilarious.

Yes, because last time Reese dropped the ball his team won the SB.

As for Bennett being lazy, not sure how a lazy player becomes the best blocking TE in the league, must be magic.

SO Reese has won 2 super bowls in the five years hes been GM.....If that is the definition of "dropping the ball" I hope he drops it every year......I would be willing to be there are 31 other GMS that would love to drop the ball as well......I really am trying to understand why everyone is making such a big deal out of losing a solid but surely not spectacular player that is NOT even going to play this year.


PLEASE explain it to me someone


Most GMs are still trying to find their Franchise QB, well-respected coaching staff, and defensive weapons.

When Reese came to the Giants he already had his franchise QB behind one of the best Offensive Lines in the NFL. He already had a Well Respected Coaching staff...and a future hall of famer Strahan, leader in Pierce and young talent reaching their prime...Osi, Tuck, Webster.

All Reese had to do was add role players to the core players of the franchise. When the Eli Manning/ Coughlin era ends...it will be a lot harder as a Gm. Reese is a decent GM, but you give him waaay too much credit.


Sorry but you are not giving him nearly enough.....those so called role players are why some teams win and some do not.The teams that win know you can not give all your money to the 22 starters and not have any left for quality depth.Ask the Redskins who have tried to do that for years.....Even the Cowboys....if you look at their core players...they are probably arguably as good as the GIants....the difference is the players we can turn to when one of the starters gets hurt....In other words we are deeper because Reese puts us in tht position.

BTW when I asked someone to explain it to me ...I meant why is everyone making a big deal out of waiving a solid but not spectacular player that is not even going to play next year

RoanokeFan
06-13-2012, 08:12 PM
What is amazing is that the "In Reese We Trust" fan boys will swear this was the right move when Reese practically admitted it was an error to do this. Coughlin seemed pretty annoyed about it too.
The speculation by GMB members on Ballards future post injury is pure crap and useless for this discussion. Reese liked him and wanted to keep him around but he slipped up trying to clear an extra roster spot.

He is a good GM but far from infalible.

Who said he's infallible? Of course he wanted to keep him, that's not in dispute. It was a calculated risk on a player who was not going to take a snap this season.


We are looking at the big picture...Ballard could of possibly been a young player who could of developed into a good tight end. Its not a calculated risk, because Bernard rarely makes an impact for us anyway...Marvin Austin make get more playing time than him. Bernard was a guy that we cut twice in two season and you call it a calculated risk when we have a young promising hardworking player who was a starter last year. Reese messed up again and people dont want to admit it.

You keep making a link between Bernard and Ballard and there is none. Bernard was not signed to replace Ballard. He was signed to fill a roster spot for depth and a different position.

Drez
06-13-2012, 08:18 PM
A lot of people are making very little sense. They're saying Ballard was a good player, but the Patriots only picked him up out of spite.
What part of he isn't going to play in 2012 is hard to understand in that scenario?

T-Murda84
06-13-2012, 08:18 PM
What is amazing is that the "In Reese We Trust" fan boys will swear this was the right move when Reese practically admitted it was an error to do this. Coughlin seemed pretty annoyed about it too.
The speculation by GMB members on Ballards future post injury is pure crap and useless for this discussion. Reese liked him and wanted to keep him around but he slipped up trying to clear an extra roster spot.

He is a good GM but far from infalible.

Who said he's infallible?* Of course he wanted to keep him, that's not in dispute.* It was a calculated risk on a player who was not going to take a snap this season.


We are looking at the big picture...Ballard could of possibly been a young player who could of developed into a good tight end. Its not a calculated risk, because Bernard rarely makes an impact for us anyway...Marvin Austin make get more playing time than him. Bernard was a guy that we cut twice in two season and you call it a calculated risk when we have a young promising hardworking player who was a starter last year. Reese messed up again and people dont want to admit it.

You keep making a link between Bernard and Ballard and there is none.* Bernard was not signed to replace Ballard.* He was signed to fill a roster spot for depth and a different position.


But we cut Ballard in order to make room for Bernard. Reese didnt think any1 would pick up an injured Ballard. The Patriots know that Ballard is a very good player from playing us last year.

There will be a link between Ballard and Bernard. We felt that it was more important to get DT depth (because Reese dont trust his gamble on taking Marvin Austin that high) instead of resigning a young promising tight end who will play in 2013.

T-Murda84
06-13-2012, 08:20 PM
A lot of people are making very little sense. They're saying Ballard was a good player, but the Patriots only picked him up out of spite.
What part of he isn't going to play in 2012 is hard to understand in that scenario?


What part of he could of been a Giant in 2013 and beyond, dont you understand. The Patriots did not pick him up out of spite.....they know Ballard has alot of potential and may even help their offense in 2013.

Simmsy
06-13-2012, 08:24 PM
A lot of people are making very little sense. They're saying Ballard was a good player, but the Patriots only picked him up out of spite.
What part of he isn't going to play in 2012 is hard to understand in that scenario?
He isn't going to play in 2012, and yet the Giants wanted to keep him and were pissed they lost him. Tell me what part of that scenario you're having a hard time understanding.

Drez
06-13-2012, 08:25 PM
A lot of people are making very little sense. They're saying Ballard was a good player, but the Patriots only picked him up out of spite.
What part of he isn't going to play in 2012 is hard to understand in that scenario?


What part of he could of been a Giant in 2013 and beyond, dont you understand. The Patriots did not pick him up out of spite.....they know Ballard has alot of potential and may even help their offense in 2013.
Ballard does not have a lot of potential. What you saw in 2011 is about what you're going to get out of him.

And now with and ACL and microfracture on the same knee he may lack more speed which he never had in abundance which would limit him even further as a player.

Sure, we all liked Ballard and was a good, if unspectacular, player. The theory that BB picked up Ballard as insurance against not being able to resign Hernandez is nuts. They aren't even remotely the same type of player. The only reason why BB did was to spite us.

Drez
06-13-2012, 08:29 PM
A lot of people are making very little sense. They're saying Ballard was a good player, but the Patriots only picked him up out of spite.
What part of he isn't going to play in 2012 is hard to understand in that scenario?
He isn't going to play in 2012, and yet the Giants wanted to keep him and were pissed they lost him. Tell me what part of that scenario you're having a hard time understanding.
Yes, the Giants wanted to keep him, but still wanted his roster spot for a player this year.

The Pats don't need him this year and likely not even next year.

Add in the fact that teams almost never poach injured players off waivers when they know the other team is just doing it as a roster move and the only thing that makes sense is the Giants made a move that 99.99% of the time the player clears the wire and heads to IR and BB claimed him just to piss on our feet for embarrassing his *** in 2 SBs.

Drez
06-13-2012, 08:30 PM
But we cut Ballard in order to make room for Bernard.

Does your alarm clock ringing make the sun rise, or is it that the sun rises at the same time your alarm clock goes off?

RoanokeFan
06-13-2012, 08:34 PM
What is amazing is that the "In Reese We Trust" fan boys will swear this was the right move when Reese practically admitted it was an error to do this. Coughlin seemed pretty annoyed about it too.
The speculation by GMB members on Ballards future post injury is pure crap and useless for this discussion. Reese liked him and wanted to keep him around but he slipped up trying to clear an extra roster spot.

He is a good GM but far from infalible.

Who said he's infallible? Of course he wanted to keep him, that's not in dispute. It was a calculated risk on a player who was not going to take a snap this season.


We are looking at the big picture...Ballard could of possibly been a young player who could of developed into a good tight end. Its not a calculated risk, because Bernard rarely makes an impact for us anyway...Marvin Austin make get more playing time than him. Bernard was a guy that we cut twice in two season and you call it a calculated risk when we have a young promising hardworking player who was a starter last year. Reese messed up again and people dont want to admit it.

You keep making a link between Bernard and Ballard and there is none. Bernard was not signed to replace Ballard. He was signed to fill a roster spot for depth and a different position.
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But we cut Ballard in order to make room for Bernard.</font> Reese didnt think any1 would pick up an injured Ballard. The Patriots know that Ballard is a very good player from playing us last year.

There will be a link between Ballard and Bernard. We felt that it was more important to get DT depth (because Reese dont trust his gamble on taking Marvin Austin that high) instead of resigning a young promising tight end who will play in 2013.

That's not why they cut Ballard, there is no link. They would have brought Bernard back as soon as players who can't cut it dropped off the roster. Releasing Ballard was expected to result in his going on IR, that's why they released him. It was procedural.

Drez
06-13-2012, 08:35 PM
What is amazing is that the "In Reese We Trust" fan boys will swear this was the right move when Reese practically admitted it was an error to do this. Coughlin seemed pretty annoyed about it too.
The speculation by GMB members on Ballards future post injury is pure crap and useless for this discussion. Reese liked him and wanted to keep him around but he slipped up trying to clear an extra roster spot.

He is a good GM but far from infalible.

Who said he's infallible? Of course he wanted to keep him, that's not in dispute. It was a calculated risk on a player who was not going to take a snap this season.


We are looking at the big picture...Ballard could of possibly been a young player who could of developed into a good tight end. Its not a calculated risk, because Bernard rarely makes an impact for us anyway...Marvin Austin make get more playing time than him. Bernard was a guy that we cut twice in two season and you call it a calculated risk when we have a young promising hardworking player who was a starter last year. Reese messed up again and people dont want to admit it.

You keep making a link between Bernard and Ballard and there is none. Bernard was not signed to replace Ballard. He was signed to fill a roster spot for depth and a different position.
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But we cut Ballard in order to make room for Bernard.</font> Reese didnt think any1 would pick up an injured Ballard. The Patriots know that Ballard is a very good player from playing us last year.

There will be a link between Ballard and Bernard. We felt that it was more important to get DT depth (because Reese dont trust his gamble on taking Marvin Austin that high) instead of resigning a young promising tight end who will play in 2013.

That's not why they cut Ballard, there is no link. They would have brought Bernard back as soon as players who can't cut it dropped off the roster. Releasing Ballard was expected to result in his going on IR, that's why they released him. It was procedural.

Why do I believe we are on a Quixotic mission trying to explain that to him?

gian_18778
06-13-2012, 08:37 PM
No worries guys.

Just another reason for us to smash the Patriots again. We'll be ok!

#GoGiants

RoanokeFan
06-13-2012, 08:42 PM
What is amazing is that the "In Reese We Trust" fan boys will swear this was the right move when Reese practically admitted it was an error to do this. Coughlin seemed pretty annoyed about it too.
The speculation by GMB members on Ballards future post injury is pure crap and useless for this discussion. Reese liked him and wanted to keep him around but he slipped up trying to clear an extra roster spot.

He is a good GM but far from infalible.

Who said he's infallible? Of course he wanted to keep him, that's not in dispute. It was a calculated risk on a player who was not going to take a snap this season.


We are looking at the big picture...Ballard could of possibly been a young player who could of developed into a good tight end. Its not a calculated risk, because Bernard rarely makes an impact for us anyway...Marvin Austin make get more playing time than him. Bernard was a guy that we cut twice in two season and you call it a calculated risk when we have a young promising hardworking player who was a starter last year. Reese messed up again and people dont want to admit it.

You keep making a link between Bernard and Ballard and there is none. Bernard was not signed to replace Ballard. He was signed to fill a roster spot for depth and a different position.
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But we cut Ballard in order to make room for Bernard.</font> Reese didnt think any1 would pick up an injured Ballard. The Patriots know that Ballard is a very good player from playing us last year.

There will be a link between Ballard and Bernard. We felt that it was more important to get DT depth (because Reese dont trust his gamble on taking Marvin Austin that high) instead of resigning a young promising tight end who will play in 2013.

That's not why they cut Ballard, there is no link. They would have brought Bernard back as soon as players who can't cut it dropped off the roster. Releasing Ballard was expected to result in his going on IR, that's why they released him. It was procedural.

Why do I believe we are on a Quixotic mission trying to explain that to him?


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WR4Life
06-13-2012, 08:44 PM
The fact that he didn't clear wavershouldn't make JR and TC angry. They put him out there. It strikes me as if they are trying to look for cover

To me it seems more like shock than anything. They both seem extremely surprised that another team claimed him.

I remember reading several years ago that there is an unwritten rule in the NFL that is kind of an ethics thing. Supposedly the unwritten rule was that if a player is waived due solely because of injury, then teams will allow the player to pass through waivers in order to allow the original team to resign him and place him on IR. Looking at it that way, it is both surprising that the Pats claimed him and it is a slap in the face.

RoanokeFan
06-13-2012, 08:45 PM
The fact that he didn't clear wavershouldn't make JR and TC angry. They put him out there. It strikes me as if they are trying to look for cover

To me it seems more like shock than anything. They both seem extremely surprised that another team claimed him.

I remember reading several years ago that there is an unwritten rule in the NFL that is kind of an ethics thing. Supposedly the unwritten rule was that if a player is waived due solely because of injury, then teams will allow the player to pass through waivers in order to allow the original team to resign him and place him on IR. Looking at it that way, it is both surprising that the Pats claimed him and it is a slap in the face.

What goes around, comes around

Drez
06-13-2012, 08:48 PM
What is amazing is that the "In Reese We Trust" fan boys will swear this was the right move when Reese practically admitted it was an error to do this. Coughlin seemed pretty annoyed about it too.
The speculation by GMB members on Ballards future post injury is pure crap and useless for this discussion. Reese liked him and wanted to keep him around but he slipped up trying to clear an extra roster spot.

He is a good GM but far from infalible.

Who said he's infallible? Of course he wanted to keep him, that's not in dispute. It was a calculated risk on a player who was not going to take a snap this season.


We are looking at the big picture...Ballard could of possibly been a young player who could of developed into a good tight end. Its not a calculated risk, because Bernard rarely makes an impact for us anyway...Marvin Austin make get more playing time than him. Bernard was a guy that we cut twice in two season and you call it a calculated risk when we have a young promising hardworking player who was a starter last year. Reese messed up again and people dont want to admit it.

You keep making a link between Bernard and Ballard and there is none. Bernard was not signed to replace Ballard. He was signed to fill a roster spot for depth and a different position.
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But we cut Ballard in order to make room for Bernard.</font> Reese didnt think any1 would pick up an injured Ballard. The Patriots know that Ballard is a very good player from playing us last year.

There will be a link between Ballard and Bernard. We felt that it was more important to get DT depth (because Reese dont trust his gamble on taking Marvin Austin that high) instead of resigning a young promising tight end who will play in 2013.

That's not why they cut Ballard, there is no link. They would have brought Bernard back as soon as players who can't cut it dropped off the roster. Releasing Ballard was expected to result in his going on IR, that's why they released him. It was procedural.

Why do I believe we are on a Quixotic mission trying to explain that to him?


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WR4Life
06-13-2012, 08:54 PM
The fact that he didn't clear wavershouldn't make JR and TC angry. They put him out there. It strikes me as if they are trying to look for cover

To me it seems more like shock than anything. They both seem extremely surprised that another team claimed him.

I remember reading several years ago that there is an unwritten rule in the NFL that is kind of an ethics thing. Supposedly the unwritten rule was that if a player is waived due solely because of injury, then teams will allow the player to pass through waivers in order to allow the original team to resign him and place him on IR. Looking at it that way, it is both surprising that the Pats claimed him and it is a slap in the face.

What goes around, comes around


Agreed. I have faith that JR and Coughlin will make the best of it. Ballard wasnt expecting this move either. Everything on his twitter said to expect him back in blue in 2013 after he was waived.

Eli TO Shockey
06-13-2012, 09:09 PM
A lot of people are making very little sense. They're saying Ballard was a good player, but the Patriots only picked him up out of spite.

Giants FO dropped the ball here, pure and simple, but it's not really that big of a deal. I have no doubt they would take it back if they could.

thank you. finally some logic

GMENAGAIN
06-13-2012, 09:20 PM
They gambled and lost. It's not the first time and it won't be the last . . . . in 2009 JR decided to go into the season with only 3 active safeties -- KP, Michael Johnson, and CC Brown. That gamble turned out to be a dead loser and one of the huge reasons that we sucked that year.</P>


Overall, though, the times that JR has gambled and lost have been few and far between . . . . . </P>

Drez
06-13-2012, 09:24 PM
They gambled and lost. It's not the first time and it won't be the last . . . . in 2009 JR decided to go into the season with only 3 active safeties -- KP, Michael Johnson, and CC Brown. That gamble turned out to be a dead loser and one of the huge reasons that we sucked that year.</p>


Overall, though, the times that JR has gambled and lost have been few and far between . . . . . </p>
But, this gamble was like placing a chip on red and black on a roulette wheel and having the ball drop on 0.

GmenFan1980
06-13-2012, 09:26 PM
A lot of people are making very little sense. They're saying Ballard was a good player, but the Patriots only picked him up out of spite.

Giants FO dropped the ball here, pure and simple, but it's not really that big of a deal. I have no doubt they would take it back if they could.

thank you. finally some logic


Ballard is not better then Gronkowski or Hernandez. So what exactly would be his role in 2013? play mop up duty in blow-out wins?

They don't need him, they know that and they don't care, they took him anyway.

Also, I feel if we lose any player on this team, there will always be people who say "F.O. dropped the ball herp derp"

So will this be Steve Smith/ Kevin Boss all over again?

Finally...

http://cdn.epicski.com/d/dc/dc8bf960_Stupidthread.gif

GMENAGAIN
06-13-2012, 09:28 PM
They gambled and lost. It's not the first time and it won't be the last . . . . in 2009 JR decided to go into the season with only 3 active safeties -- KP, Michael Johnson, and CC Brown. That gamble turned out to be a dead loser and one of the huge reasons that we sucked that year.</P>


Overall, though, the times that JR has gambled and lost have been few and far between . . . . . </P>



But, this gamble was like placing a chip on red and black on a roulette wheel and having the ball drop on 0.
</P>


Ha ha . . . . good analogy.</P>


The risk of losing Ballard may have been small, but it was a risk nonetheless. They took it and got burned. </P>

Drez
06-13-2012, 09:43 PM
They gambled and lost. It's not the first time and it won't be the last . . . . in 2009 JR decided to go into the season with only 3 active safeties -- KP, Michael Johnson, and CC Brown. That gamble turned out to be a dead loser and one of the huge reasons that we sucked that year.</p>


Overall, though, the times that JR has gambled and lost have been few and far between . . . . . </p>



But, this gamble was like placing a chip on red and black on a roulette wheel and having the ball drop on 0.
</p>


Ha ha . . . . good analogy.</p>


The risk of losing Ballard may have been small, but it was a risk nonetheless. They took it and got burned. </p>
They took a risk and lost, but I'm not going to go so far as to say that they dropped the ball or cast aspersions against the FO for the move.

Bottom line Belichick just pulled a **** move.

Roswell777
06-13-2012, 10:12 PM
This isn't about spite.

It's about a coach/GM claiming a future serviceable player that happened to play very well against his team. He wants excellent depth at a position that his offense has come to revolve around.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

ShakeNBake
06-13-2012, 10:37 PM
Wow 7 pages of people jumping to conclusions when Ballard will not play this year, and his future from here on out being cloudy at best. We will not know if JR "dropped the ball" until at least a year from now when Ballard comes back from injury, and at that point our roster could be completely different as far as the TE is concerned anyway(we may not need him). As another poster said, Step back from the ledge!

buddy33
06-13-2012, 10:43 PM
Wow! All this arguing for a player that won't see the field this year.

Last year no one knew about Ballard. REESE is the one who signed him. LOL. Some of you make me laugh. Do you still question the mans ability to find talent?

FBomb
06-13-2012, 10:48 PM
I think it's fair to say that JR and our FO really dropped the ball here. It was risky move that backfired.

Whether or not Ballard will be an affective TE is not the story here. It's the fact that we "wanted" to keep Ballard, but made a bonehead decision by letting him go through waivers.

You live by the bullet, you die by the bullet.

Not very classy if you ask me. I wish JB the best.
</P>


Gee.....where have I heard this arguement before? Oh that's right....Kevin Boss......Steve Smith...</P>


Some folks just never learn.</P>

FBomb
06-13-2012, 10:50 PM
Wow! All this arguing for a player that won't see the field this year. Last year no one knew about Ballard. REESE is the one who signed him. LOL. Some of you make me laugh. Do you still question the mans ability to find talent?</P>


Ballard was the punchline last year when people were slamming Reese for letting Boss go!! LOL</P>

buddy33
06-13-2012, 11:02 PM
Wow! All this arguing for a player that won't see the field this year. Last year no one knew about Ballard. REESE is the one who signed him. LOL. Some of you make me laugh. Do you still question the mans ability to find talent?</P>


Ballard was the punchline last year when people were slamming Reese for letting Boss go!!* LOL</P>

Exactly! Now that Reese signed a FA TE and drafted another they are acting like letting Ballard go is like letting go of he next Bavaro.

HE IS NOT GOING TO PLAY THIS YEAR!

dante3
06-14-2012, 06:39 AM
there were too many replies to read them all so if this was pointed out I apologize. But we should not forget that Ballard has a chronic PCL injury in his other knee that forced him to miss a few games last year and now he has a complicated ACL injury in the other that necessitated a micro fracture as well. So both his wheels have damage and more mileagethan teh average when it comes to injury. His return to the NFL as a starter is still in doubt even in 2013.