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buffyblue
06-15-2012, 03:50 PM
We are quite lucky that Eli Manning and NY Giants took the time off the clock that they did on the last scoring drive of SuperBowl XLVI.

If Tom Brady and NE Patriots had another 30-40 seconds it is highly likely that they would have scored a TD. Heck, we should be happy the Hail Mary did not make it. I fit did I am sure it would have been forever remembered as a Hail Myra.

There was a reason why there was consideration on not scoring the TD and letting clock run out to attempt field goal. Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

Morehead State
06-15-2012, 03:51 PM
We are quite lucky that Eli Manning and NY Giants took the time off the clock that they did on the last scoring drive of SuperBowl XLVI. If Tom Brady and NE Patriots had another 30-40 seconds it is highly likely that they would have scored a TD. Heck, we should be happy the Hail Mary did not make it. I fit did I am sure it would have been forever remembered as a Hail Myra. There was a reason why there was consideration on not scoring the TD and letting clock run out to attempt field goal. Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.</P>


Stop denegrating my team. If you hate the Giants so much why do you root for them?</P>

Martyr
06-15-2012, 04:04 PM
We are lucky to be Giants fans, my brother is a diehard raiders fan thats takes a lot to stick with a team like that.

thomsoad
06-15-2012, 04:05 PM
Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

Boy it sure is a good thing they proved you wrong but shutting down the Pats for only 14 points in the SB huh? Pats had 59 minutes to crush our "distrusted" defense...so i guess now it should be Brady that shouldnt be trusted to win the big games anymore. 0-2 in in his last 2 SBs when HE had the ball last.

If I didnt know any better...id might have to start considering him a choker.

Cool Papa B.
06-15-2012, 04:12 PM
We are quite lucky that Eli Manning and NY Giants took the time off the clock that they did on the last scoring drive of SuperBowl XLVI.

If Tom Brady and NE Patriots had another 30-40 seconds it is highly likely that they would have scored a TD. Heck, we should be happy the Hail Mary did not make it. I fit did I am sure it would have been forever remembered as a Hail Myra.

There was a reason why there was consideration on not scoring the TD and letting clock run out to attempt field goal. Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

The last 4 minutes or so of that game is a fascinating study in clock management. Some people have made the arguement that Belichick should have let just let the Giants score once they got the ball into the 35 yard line. So that they would have more time to work with. You could tell Belichick was wrestling with that idea.

buffyblue
06-15-2012, 04:32 PM
Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

Boy it sure is a good thing they proved you wrong but shutting down the Pats for only 14 points in the SB huh? Pats had 59 minutes to crush our "distrusted" defense...so i guess now it should be Brady that shouldnt be trusted to win the big games anymore. 0-2 in in his last 2 SBs when HE had the ball last.

If I didnt know any better...id might have to start considering him a choker.

Actually Tom Brady almost pulled it out. The guy is anything but a choker.

I put this post up in response to just so many folks that harp and harp that it is the defense and ďEli got lucky and defense won SuperBowl XLIIĒ and all the other naysayers that just refuse to really look at the facts. Yes our defense did step up at the end of the year, throughout the playoffs and SuperBowl XLVI. However, it was Eli Manning that carried this team through the tough times. It was Eli Manning that held it together this past season throughout all the defensive collapses and defensive quitting. It was Eli Manning that was the main reason we won SuperBowl XLVI.

For so long so many NY Giants fans have been putting Eli Manning down and it is just so annoying. The guy has led this team and done right by us since he has taken over. We canít even give him props on the board without a bunch of clowns jumping in to put him down or try to belittle his accomplishments. Enough is enough.

The facts are that in SuperBowl XLVI our defense was about to revert to earlier season form and Eli Manning took the game back from Tom Brady, ate up clock time and took us down for two consecutive scoring drives. Give the man his due.

I am not going to compare them as QBs but folks like to put down Jeff Hostettler too. Why? I have no idea. The guy was a backup that came in and did his job an led us to victory in SuperBowl XXV. I love Phil Simms and folks here just seem to remember him in this brilliant light that he did no wrong. Much has been stated about Jeremy Shokey sitting in aluxury box during SuperBowl XLII when he was injured and couldnít play. Folks were mad at that. I had no issue with it. However those same folks that put down Shokey have no qualms with Phil Simms for leaving during halftime of SuperBowl XXV. I have alwasy found that weird.

I am going off on tnagents here but I guess the point I am making is that folks seem to remember things with rose colored glasses and just love to put down Eli Manning on these boards and start getting all hot and bothered when you donít agree with them on something or you call it like it is in regard to the defense. Sure NY Giants came together as a team and you need to be a team to win the SuperBowl.However, this was neither defensive domination nor was it a defensive statement that won SuperBowl XLVI. Eli Manning led this team to vicrory in SuperBowl XLVI and he knew to eat up as much clock as possible because this defense is not good to stop Tom Brady and NE Patriots on a late scoring drive with a decent amount of time left. Heck, NE England Patriots were buried on their own 12 yard line and they got got some yards and then almost came down with the Hail Mary.

Eli Manning has been roasted on these boards for long enough. He is not the best QB in NFL but damn he is the best one in the history of NY Giants and he is the main reason we won SuperBowl XLVI. Eli Manning is the one irreplaceable player on our team. It is about time the man got his due.
What he did this season was he carried NY Giants on his back. Plain and simple.

buffyblue
06-15-2012, 04:36 PM
We are quite lucky that Eli Manning and NY Giants took the time off the clock that they did on the last scoring drive of SuperBowl XLVI.

If Tom Brady and NE Patriots had another 30-40 seconds it is highly likely that they would have scored a TD. Heck, we should be happy the Hail Mary did not make it. I fit did I am sure it would have been forever remembered as a Hail Myra.

There was a reason why there was consideration on not scoring the TD and letting clock run out to attempt field goal. Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

The last 4 minutes or so of that game is a fascinating study in clock management. Some people have made the arguement that Belichick should have let just let the Giants score once they got the ball into the 35 yard line. So that they would have more time to work with. You could tell Belichick was wrestling with that idea.

My brother said almost the same thing. As soon as we were in safe lawrence Tynes field goal range he turned to me and said, ďMikey, I bet Coach Bellichek is thinking about letting us just score right now so Tom Brady has plenty of time with the ball.Ē

Yeah. I was glad that Tom Brady didnít get the ball back with more time than he did.

Morehead State
06-15-2012, 04:39 PM
Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock. Boy it sure is a good thing they proved you wrong but shutting down the Pats for only 14 points in the SB huh? Pats had 59 minutes to crush our "distrusted" defense...so i guess now it should be Brady that shouldnt be trusted to win the big games anymore. 0-2 in in his last 2 SBs when HE had the ball last. If I didnt know any better...id might have to start considering him a choker. Actually Tom Brady almost pulled it out. The guy is anything but a choker. I put this post up in response to just so many folks that harp and harp that it is the defense and ďEli got lucky and defense won SuperBowl XLIIĒ and all the other naysayers that just refuse to really look at the facts. Yes our defense did step up at the end of the year, throughout the playoffs and SuperBowl XLVI. However, it was Eli Manning that carried this team through the tough times. It was Eli Manning that held it together this past season throughout all the defensive collapses and defensive quitting. It was Eli Manning that was the main reason we won SuperBowl XLVI. For so long so many NY Giants fans have been putting Eli Manning down and it is just so annoying. The guy has led this team and done right by us since he has taken over. We canít even give him props on the board without a bunch of clowns jumping in to put him down or try to belittle his accomplishments. Enough is enough. The facts are that in SuperBowl XLVI our defense was about to revert to earlier season form and Eli Manning took the game back from Tom Brady, ate up clock time and took us down for two consecutive scoring drives. Give the man his due. I am not going to compare them as QBs but folks like to put down Jeff Hostettler too. Why? I have no idea. The guy was a backup that came in and did his job an led us to victory in SuperBowl XXV. I love Phil Simms and folks here just seem to remember him in this brilliant light that he did no wrong. Much has been stated about Jeremy Shokey sitting in aluxury box during SuperBowl XLVI when he was injured and couldnít play. Folks were mad at that. I had no issue with it. However those same folks that put down Shokey have no qualms with Phil Simms for leaving during halftime of SuperBowl XXV. I have alwasy found that weird. I am going off on tnagents here but I guess the point I am making is that folks seem to remember things with rose colored glasses and just love to put down Eli Manning on these boards and start getting all hot and bothered when you donít agree with them on something or you call it like it is in regard to the defense. Sure NY Giants came together as a team and you need to be a team to win the SuperBowl.However, this was neither defensive domination nor was it a defensive statement that won SuperBowl XLVI. Eli Manning led this team to vicrory in SuperBowl XLVI and he knew to eat up as much clock as possible because this defense is not good to stop Tom Brady and NE Patriots on a late scoring drive with a decent amount of time left. Heck, NE England Patriots were buried on their own 12 yard line and they got got some yards and then almost came down with the Hail Mary. Eli Manning has been roasted on these boards for long enough. He is not the best QB in NFL but damn he is the best one in the history of NY Giants and he is the main reason we won SuperBowl XLVI. Eli Manning is the one irreplaceable player on our team. It is about time the man got his due. What he did this season was he carried NY Giants on his back. Plain and simple.</P>


Eli gets his due just fine. You are just obsessed with this whole argument. He did not "carry this team on his back". Thats the genesis of this argument. You have been fighting a losing battle since.</P>


The Giants are a team. The Giants team came together (offense, defense, and ST's) week 16 and went on an historic tear. 6 wins in a row. In the playoffs we beat teams with a combined record of 51-13. The defense shut out the Falcons, held the Packers to 6 points (refs gave them the other 14) and held both the Niners and Pats to 17 points each.</P>


No one player is responsible for that. As I said, you denegrate every other player on our team, our coaching staff and FO when you claim otherwise.</P>

buffyblue
06-15-2012, 04:56 PM
Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

Boy it sure is a good thing they proved you wrong but shutting down the Pats for only 14 points in the SB huh? Pats had 59 minutes to crush our "distrusted" defense...so i guess now it should be Brady that shouldnt be trusted to win the big games anymore. 0-2 in in his last 2 SBs when HE had the ball last.

If I didnt know any better...id might have to start considering him a choker.

Wes Welker helped our defense out quite a bit when he dropped the pass that would have more or less sealed the win.

Our defense was in a lot of trouble in that game. Sure they made some nice stops but they were back on their heels. the blown coverage on Wes Welker was telling of how confused they were at that point.

buffyblue
06-15-2012, 05:00 PM
I also love it how whenever someone doesnít agree with a score that it is the referress fault the defense gave up the score.

blah......blah.....blah.....blah........

Without Eli Manning as QB, NY Giants donít even sniff the playoffs. It is obvious that he can get the job done with a very good defense like he did in 2007 and a very flawed defense like he did in 2011. He is just aware enough to know how to adjust his game for either one.

slipknottin
06-15-2012, 05:08 PM
I love the "almost" people.

Yes in a different universe a ton of different things could have happened.

But in the universe we exist in, they didnt.

Of course KP had a ball go right through his hands on that final drive, but nobody brings that up.

buddy33
06-15-2012, 05:08 PM
Exactly!

buddy33
06-15-2012, 05:09 PM
The Giants need Eli. No one is disputing that, but there is no way they make it to the Super Bowl and win it without the defense.

thomsoad
06-15-2012, 05:17 PM
Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

Boy it sure is a good thing they proved you wrong but shutting down the Pats for only 14 points in the SB huh? Pats had 59 minutes to crush our "distrusted" defense...so i guess now it should be Brady that shouldnt be trusted to win the big games anymore. 0-2 in in his last 2 SBs when HE had the ball last.

If I didnt know any better...id might have to start considering him a choker.

Actually Tom Brady almost pulled it out. The guy is anything but a choker.
Plain and simple.

Yeah and Starks ALMOST made those 18 shots he missed in the NBA Finals against Houston.

Bill Buckner ALMOST got that grounder to win the Series for the Red Sox against the Mets

Greg Norman ALMOST made those shots that cost him the Masters when he had a 7 stroke lead.

Chris Webber ALMOST had another time out when he called one with 4 seconds left in the game (of course there were no time outs left).

My personal favorite: Scott Norwood ALMOST made that field goal in SB XXV.

Conclusion...Brady choked. :D

Pop it Ahmad
06-15-2012, 05:23 PM
That was actually clock management failure!

Nicks going out of bounds really could have screwed things up.


And Brady was PHENOMENAL that last minute. Remember we sacked him on 3rd down, and JPP almost had him for what could have been the most pivotal/epic sack in New York Giant, maybe Super Bowl history. But Brady escaped and found Branch for the first, who then went out of bounds. Those last 3 minutes of the Super Bowl were really something.

SweetZombieJesus
06-15-2012, 05:38 PM
I was very critical about them not running out the clock and taking a knee for the field goal... 1 minute with Tom Brady is an eternity. Not to mention Bradshaw's winning score possibly being the worst/lamest SB winning play ever.

But it's in the books. Let it go.

Just be glad we don't suffer the humiliation of Gronk making the catch on the rebound and losing that SB. We'd be flogging ourselves for decades over that.

buffyblue
06-15-2012, 06:16 PM
That was actually clock management failure!

Nicks going out of bounds really could have screwed things up.


And Brady was PHENOMENAL that last minute. Remember we sacked him on 3rd down, and JPP almost had him for what could have been the most pivotal/epic sack in New York Giant, maybe Super Bowl history. But Brady escaped and found Branch for the first, who then went out of bounds. Those last 3 minutes of the Super Bowl were really something.


Tom Brady was terrific on that last drive and if he had a little more time our defense more than likely would not have stopped him.

The clock management mistake by Hakeem Nicks adds credence to my point. In lieu of that gaffe, Eli Manning was still able to orchestrate a drive that too enough time off the clock.

The bottom line is that Eli Manning knew not to score quickly on that drive because our defense would not have been able to makr the stop if Tom Brady and NE Patriots got the ball back with any more time left than they did.

buffyblue
06-15-2012, 06:47 PM
*double post*

buffyblue
06-15-2012, 06:49 PM
I was very critical about them not running out the clock and taking a knee for the field goal...* 1 minute with Tom Brady is an eternity.* Not to mention Bradshaw's winning score possibly being the worst/lamest SB winning play ever.

But it's in the books.* Let it go.

Just be glad we don't suffer the humiliation of Gronk making the catch on the rebound and losing that SB.* We'd be flogging ourselves for decades over that.


We would be and I am going to let it go. I am just going to enjoy that we are SuperBowl Champions and if folks want ti be hyper critical of Eli Manning and downplay what he does at every opportunity then so be it.

THE_New_York_Giants
06-15-2012, 06:49 PM
We are quite lucky that Eli Manning and NY Giants took the time off the clock that they did on the last scoring drive of SuperBowl XLVI.

If Tom Brady and NE Patriots had another 30-40 seconds it is highly likely that they would have scored a TD. Heck, we should be happy the Hail Mary did not make it. I fit did I am sure it would have been forever remembered as a Hail Myra.

There was a reason why there was consideration on not scoring the TD and letting clock run out to attempt field goal. Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

okay

THE_New_York_Giants
06-15-2012, 06:49 PM
We are quite lucky that Eli Manning and NY Giants took the time off the clock that they did on the last scoring drive of SuperBowl XLVI.

If Tom Brady and NE Patriots had another 30-40 seconds it is highly likely that they would have scored a TD. Heck, we should be happy the Hail Mary did not make it. I fit did I am sure it would have been forever remembered as a Hail Myra.

There was a reason why there was consideration on not scoring the TD and letting clock run out to attempt field goal. Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

okay

Toadofsteel
06-15-2012, 08:55 PM
Eli did what he had to. The offense did what they had to. The defense did what they had to. The special teams did what they had to. The coaches did what they had to. We won the game. Can we stop this pissing contest over who deserves the most credit? Eli is a great QB, but he's not the SOLE reason we were able to go home with a Lombardi in hand...

buffyblue
06-16-2012, 03:00 AM
Eli did what he had to. The offense did what they had to. The defense did what they had to. The special teams did what they had to. The coaches did what they had to. We won the game. Can we stop this pissing contest over who deserves the most credit? Eli is a great QB, but he's not the SOLE reason we were able to go home with a Lombardi in hand...

He was the MAIN reason that we did.

Captain Chaos
06-16-2012, 10:00 AM
We are quite lucky that Eli Manning and NY Giants took the time off the clock that they did on the last scoring drive of SuperBowl XLVI.

If Tom Brady and NE Patriots had another 30-40 seconds it is highly likely that they would have scored a TD. Heck, we should be happy the Hail Mary did not make it. I fit did I am sure it would have been forever remembered as a Hail Myra.

There was a reason why there was consideration on not scoring the TD and letting clock run out to attempt field goal. Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

Isn't this the 2012 season?

You are like most historians, spending your time analyzing the past. It's your general nature and we don't hold it against you...

GMENAGAIN
06-16-2012, 10:34 AM
For the life of me, I can't understand the point of this thread . . . . . .

buffyblue
06-16-2012, 12:26 PM
We are quite lucky that Eli Manning and NY Giants took the time off the clock that they did on the last scoring drive of SuperBowl XLVI.

If Tom Brady and NE Patriots had another 30-40 seconds it is highly likely that they would have scored a TD. Heck, we should be happy the Hail Mary did not make it. I fit did I am sure it would have been forever remembered as a Hail Myra.

There was a reason why there was consideration on not scoring the TD and letting clock run out to attempt field goal. Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

Isn't this the 2012 season?

You are like most historians, spending your time analyzing the past. It's your general nature and we don't hold it against you...

Nah. Just get annoyed that everytime any type of thread goes up that praising Eli Manning it is immediately innundated with negative responses from folks tryting to put him down. So, I figured that since folks want to just bash him, lets overlook how many times he has in fact bailed out our very flawed defense. Lets call it how it really is.

slipknottin
06-16-2012, 12:32 PM
I still dont understand this "very flawed defense" thing.

Patriots had the #2 offense in yards and #3 in points last season.

The "very flawed" NYG defense kept them to 17 points.

GB had the #1 scoring offense in the league and the "very flawed" NYG defense kept them to 20 points.

The falcons offense was #10 in yards and #7 in points, and the "very flawed" NYG defense kept them to 0 points.

Coulda woulda shoulda means nothing in the NFL. Only what actually happened.

buddy33
06-16-2012, 01:31 PM
The defense in the Green Bay game was better than the score showed. The refs where horrible that game. Green Bay scored after the fumble that never was and that awful roughing penalty on Osi.

The defense pitched a shutout the final 26 minutes of the Super Bowl and even scored 2 points of their own to start the game.

Roswell777
06-16-2012, 01:33 PM
Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

Boy it sure is a good thing they proved you wrong but shutting down the Pats for only 14 points in the SB huh? Pats had 59 minutes to crush our "distrusted" defense...so i guess now it should be Brady that shouldnt be trusted to win the big games anymore. 0-2 in in his last 2 SBs when HE had the ball last.

If I didnt know any better...id might have to start considering him a choker.

Actually Tom Brady almost pulled it out. The guy is anything but a choker.

I put this post up in response to just so many folks that harp and harp that it is the defense and ďEli got lucky and defense won SuperBowl XLIIĒ and all the other naysayers that just refuse to really look at the facts. Yes our defense did step up at the end of the year, throughout the playoffs and SuperBowl XLVI. However, it was Eli Manning that carried this team through the tough times. It was Eli Manning that held it together this past season throughout all the defensive collapses and defensive quitting. It was Eli Manning that was the main reason we won SuperBowl XLVI.

For so long so many NY Giants fans have been putting Eli Manning down and it is just so annoying. The guy has led this team and done right by us since he has taken over. We canít even give him props on the board without a bunch of clowns jumping in to put him down or try to belittle his accomplishments. Enough is enough.

The facts are that in SuperBowl XLVI our defense was about to revert to earlier season form and Eli Manning took the game back from Tom Brady, ate up clock time and took us down for two consecutive scoring drives. Give the man his due.

I am not going to compare them as QBs but folks like to put down Jeff Hostettler too. Why? I have no idea. The guy was a backup that came in and did his job an led us to victory in SuperBowl XXV. I love Phil Simms and folks here just seem to remember him in this brilliant light that he did no wrong. Much has been stated about Jeremy Shokey sitting in aluxury box during SuperBowl XLII when he was injured and couldnít play. Folks were mad at that. I had no issue with it. However those same folks that put down Shokey have no qualms with Phil Simms for leaving during halftime of SuperBowl XXV. I have alwasy found that weird.

I am going off on tnagents here but I guess the point I am making is that folks seem to remember things with rose colored glasses and just love to put down Eli Manning on these boards and start getting all hot and bothered when you donít agree with them on something or you call it like it is in regard to the defense. Sure NY Giants came together as a team and you need to be a team to win the SuperBowl.However, this was neither defensive domination nor was it a defensive statement that won SuperBowl XLVI. Eli Manning led this team to vicrory in SuperBowl XLVI and he knew to eat up as much clock as possible because this defense is not good to stop Tom Brady and NE Patriots on a late scoring drive with a decent amount of time left. Heck, NE England Patriots were buried on their own 12 yard line and they got got some yards and then almost came down with the Hail Mary.

Eli Manning has been roasted on these boards for long enough. He is not the best QB in NFL but damn he is the best one in the history of NY Giants and he is the main reason we won SuperBowl XLVI. Eli Manning is the one irreplaceable player on our team. It is about time the man got his due.
What he did this season was he carried NY Giants on his back. Plain and simple.

Simms left at halftime of SB XXV?

I never heard that and find that impossible to believe.

I think your passion for Eli has blinded you to the fact that all four SB victories were team efforts. All phases. And it's time to stop making points that involve the concept "almost."

That is, unless you want to hear that Eli "almost" threw an int to Assante Samuel on that last drive in SB XLII. And this is coming from a big fan of Eli Manning.

Truth is when you are talking about sports history, the word "almost" is "almost" meaningless.

Flip Empty
06-16-2012, 01:41 PM
This thread...

http://i.imgur.com/LdE9c.gif

Mercury
06-16-2012, 03:01 PM
<font color="#FF0000">It's a good thing Brady can't throw it and be the one to catch it!</font>

But on a more serious note, Brady was running out of downs again too. Given more time, he doesn't necessarily win the game, that is <font size="4">very speculative</font>.

B&RWarrior
06-16-2012, 03:24 PM
I still dont understand this "very flawed defense" thing.

Patriots had the #2 offense in yards and #3 in points last season.

The "very flawed" NYG defense kept them to 17 points.

GB had the #1 scoring offense in the league and the "very flawed" NYG defense kept them to 20 points.

The falcons offense was #10 in yards and #7 in points, and the "very flawed" NYG defense kept them to 0 points.

Coulda woulda shoulda means nothing in the NFL. Only what actually happened.

+1
The defense played lights out in the post season. We had the most complete team in the league at the end of the year. This is how we one the SB on offense and defense.

Mohann
06-16-2012, 04:03 PM
If Eli didn't carry the team this year then no QB has ever carried a team. For most of the season the D played from poor to very poor, our running game was almost non existent, and I'm pretty sure the Oline was trying to kill him. We don't even get to the playoffs without Eli. And when the D and running game finally came around and gave him some help he went bonkers, with a monster post season.

B-Red22
06-16-2012, 04:13 PM
We are quite lucky that Eli Manning and NY Giants took the time off the clock that they did on the last scoring drive of SuperBowl XLVI.

If Tom Brady and NE Patriots had another 30-40 seconds it is highly likely that they would have scored a TD. Heck, we should be happy the Hail Mary did not make it. I fit did I am sure it would have been forever remembered as a Hail Myra.

There was a reason why there was consideration on not scoring the TD and letting clock run out to attempt field goal. Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

Please stop posting

RoanokeFan
06-16-2012, 04:19 PM
When the game clock reads 00:00, all of the cudda, wudda, shudda garbage is, well, garbage. We won, deal with it.

buffyblue
06-16-2012, 05:46 PM
The defense in the Green Bay game was better than the score showed. The refs where horrible that game. Green Bay scored after the fumble that never was and that awful roughing penalty on Osi.

The defense pitched a shutout the final 26 minutes of the Super Bowl and even scored 2 points of their own to start the game.

A very misleading staement youa re trying to throw oput there. NE Patriots did not have the ball for the final 26 minutes of the game.

THE_New_York_Giants
06-16-2012, 05:51 PM
Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

Boy it sure is a good thing they proved you wrong but shutting down the Pats for only 14 points in the SB huh? Pats had 59 minutes to crush our "distrusted" defense...so i guess now it should be Brady that shouldnt be trusted to win the big games anymore. 0-2 in in his last 2 SBs when HE had the ball last.

If I didnt know any better...id might have to start considering him a choker.

Actually Tom Brady almost pulled it out. The guy is anything but a choker.
Plain and simple.

Yeah and Starks ALMOST made those 18 shots he missed in the NBA Finals against Houston.

Bill Buckner ALMOST got that grounder to win the Series for the Red Sox against the Mets

Greg Norman ALMOST made those shots that cost him the Masters when he had a 7 stroke lead.

Chris Webber ALMOST had another time out when he called one with 4 seconds left in the game (of course there were no time outs left).

My personal favorite: Scott Norwood ALMOST made that field goal in SB XXV.

Conclusion...Brady choked. :D

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buffyblue
06-16-2012, 06:12 PM
Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.



Boy it sure is a good thing they proved you wrong but shutting down the Pats for only 14 points in the SB huh? Pats had 59 minutes to crush our "distrusted" defense...so i guess now it should be Brady that shouldnt be trusted to win the big games anymore. 0-2 in in his last 2 SBs when HE had the ball last.

If I didnt know any better...id might have to start considering him a choker.

Actually Tom Brady almost pulled it out. The guy is anything but a choker.
Plain and simple.

Yeah and Starks ALMOST made those 18 shots he missed in the NBA Finals against Houston.

Bill Buckner ALMOST got that grounder to win the Series for the Red Sox against the Mets

Greg Norman ALMOST made those shots that cost him the Masters when he had a 7 stroke lead.

Chris Webber ALMOST had another time out when he called one with 4 seconds left in the game (of course there were no time outs left).

My personal favorite: Scott Norwood ALMOST made that field goal in SB XXV.

Conclusion...Brady choked. :D

I almost got married.
I almost got a hole in one in mini golf.
I almost worked up the courage to talk to Carmen Elektra in the subway one time.
I almost went to Cabo last year.
Okay then. Because He didnít win you are going to insinuate Tom Brady is a choker. yeah. Whatever.

How about this. NY Giants defense almost covered Wes Welker but were unable to. They luckled out because he dropped the pass that would have sealed the game for NE Patriots.

THE_New_York_Giants
06-16-2012, 07:03 PM
Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.



Boy it sure is a good thing they proved you wrong but shutting down the Pats for only 14 points in the SB huh? Pats had 59 minutes to crush our "distrusted" defense...so i guess now it should be Brady that shouldnt be trusted to win the big games anymore. 0-2 in in his last 2 SBs when HE had the ball last.

If I didnt know any better...id might have to start considering him a choker.

Actually Tom Brady almost pulled it out. The guy is anything but a choker.
Plain and simple.

Yeah and Starks ALMOST made those 18 shots he missed in the NBA Finals against Houston.

Bill Buckner ALMOST got that grounder to win the Series for the Red Sox against the Mets

Greg Norman ALMOST made those shots that cost him the Masters when he had a 7 stroke lead.

Chris Webber ALMOST had another time out when he called one with 4 seconds left in the game (of course there were no time outs left).

My personal favorite: Scott Norwood ALMOST made that field goal in SB XXV.

Conclusion...Brady choked. :D

I almost got married.
I almost got a hole in one in mini golf.
I almost worked up the courage to talk to Carmen Elektra in the subway one time.
I almost went to Cabo last year.
Okay then. Because He didnít win you are going to insinuate Tom Brady is a choker. yeah. Whatever.

How about this. NY Giants defense almost covered Wes Welker but were unable to. They luckled out because he dropped the pass that would have sealed the game for NE Patriots.

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Mod_C
06-16-2012, 08:35 PM
We are quite lucky that Eli Manning and NY Giants took the time off the clock that they did on the last scoring drive of SuperBowl XLVI.

If Tom Brady and NE Patriots had another 30-40 seconds it is highly likely that they would have scored a TD. Heck, we should be happy the Hail Mary did not make it. I fit did I am sure it would have been forever remembered as a Hail Myra.

There was a reason why there was consideration on not scoring the TD and letting clock run out to attempt field goal. Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

I'm trying to figure out if this belongs in Smack Talk.

arrjay
06-16-2012, 08:41 PM
this thread is a complete waste.....

buddy33
06-16-2012, 09:43 PM
They where shut out for the last 26 minutes. It's just a fact, not misleading at all.

buffyblue
06-17-2012, 02:36 PM
They where shut out for the last 26 minutes. It's just a fact, not misleading at all.

What you should have written was ďthey didnít score for the final 26 minutes of the game.Ē

You know you tried to be misleading with your post because NE Patriots only had the ball for 22 minutes the entire game.

Of the last 26 minutes of SuperBowl XLVI, NY Giants had the ball for 16:38. NE England Patriots had the ball for 9:22. So what you should have written was ďNY Giants defense was able to hold them for 9:22 of the final 26 minutes.Ē

It furthers my point that Eli Manning was able to eat the clock and keep the ball out of Tom Baradyís hands and that was the best defensive strategy that was employed.

Morehead State
06-17-2012, 02:51 PM
They where shut out for the last 26 minutes. It's just a fact, not misleading at all. What you should have written was ďthey didnít score for the final 26 minutes of the game.Ē You know you tried to be misleading with your post because NE Patriots only had the ball for 22 minutes the entire game. Of the last 26 minutes of SuperBowl XLVI, NY Giants had the ball for 16:38. NE England Patriots had the ball for 9:22. So what you should have written was ďNY Giants defense was able to hold them for 9:22 of the final 26 minutes.Ē It furthers my point that Eli Manning was able to eat the clock and keep the ball out of Tom Baradyís hands and that was the best defensive strategy that was employed.</P>


Is it your position that defense has nothing to do with keeping the time of posoession down by getting them off the field?</P>


If so, you are klinging to a notion that is so silly that it doesn't need to be responded to. </P>


You position in this thread has been discounted by posters of all types. You are on an island of silliness.</P>


<U>Teams</U> win Superbowls. When a team is reduced to one player...they always lose.</P>

THE_New_York_Giants
06-17-2012, 02:56 PM
They where shut out for the last 26 minutes. It's just a fact, not misleading at all.

What you should have written was ďthey didnít score for the final 26 minutes of the game.Ē

You know you tried to be misleading with your post because NE Patriots only had the ball for 22 minutes the entire game.

Of the last 26 minutes of SuperBowl XLVI, NY Giants had the ball for 16:38. NE England Patriots had the ball for 9:22. So what you should have written was ďNY Giants defense was able to hold them for 9:22 of the final 26 minutes.Ē

It furthers my point that Eli Manning was able to eat the clock and keep the ball out of Tom Baradyís hands and that was the best defensive strategy that was employed.

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One time in college, I almost did a 2 minute long keg stand.
One time I almost went on a vacation to a hotel in Israel which got blown up the next day.
One time, Scott Norwood almost made a field goal to win Superbowl XXV
One time, Cal Ripken almost missed a game.
One time, Henrik Zetterberg hit the post on a goal that would have tied game 7 of the Stanley Cup meaning he almost scored a goal.

bubblesmcgee
06-17-2012, 03:45 PM
That is, unless you want to hear that Eli "almost" threw an int to Assante Samuel on that last drive in SB XLII. And this is coming from a big fan of Eli Manning.

That really wasnt close to a an interception. It went off his fingertips of one hand at the top of his jump. No chance at the catch there. Then he landed out of bounds. No shot he picks that off

slipknottin
06-17-2012, 08:56 PM
That really wasnt close to a an interception. It went off his fingertips of one hand at the top of his jump. No chance at the catch there. Then he landed out of bounds. No shot he picks that off

Yea, and his foot came down out of bounds.

KPs near interception in this SB was far far closer to actually happening, but nobody talks about it.

buffyblue
06-17-2012, 09:31 PM
That really wasnt close to a an interception. It went off his fingertips of one hand at the top of his jump. No chance at the catch there. Then he landed out of bounds. No shot he picks that off

Yea, and his foot came down out of bounds.

KPs near interception in this SB was far far closer to actually happening, but nobody talks about it.

Assante Samuel would not have been able to pick that pass offf and come down in bounds. I know a lot of folks always bring that play up but it wasnít even close to being picked off.

bearbryant
06-18-2012, 12:42 AM
Tom Brady, Bill Belichek and The Patriots are all the NY Giants step child. We beat them 3times last year and now we're so deep in their head that they take players who can't even play this year just to try and spite us. Its become laughable! Oh and just for your record- SB XLII was won by our defense, primarily the front four and SB XLVI was won by the entire team. They went into every game even the 2 games prior to the playoffs and grinded each game out, one after another after another. And yes, I'm sold on Eli he's our man, but don't let passion blind your sight man!

buffyblue
06-18-2012, 03:26 AM
Tom Brady, Bill Belichek and The Patriots are all the NY Giants step child. We beat them 3times last year and now we're so deep in their head that they take players who can't even play this year just to try and spite us. Its become laughable! Oh and just for your record- SB XLII was won by our defense, primarily the front four and SB XLVI was won by the entire team. They went into every game even the 2 games prior to the playoffs and grinded each game out, one after another after another. And yes, I'm sold on Eli he's our man, but don't let passion blind your sight man!

Donít let passion blind your sight because there is a reason Eli Manning was MVP for both SuperBowls.

Roswell777
06-18-2012, 07:41 AM
That really wasnt close to a an interception. It went off his fingertips of one hand at the top of his jump. No chance at the catch there. Then he landed out of bounds. No shot he picks that off

Yea, and his foot came down out of bounds.

KPs near interception in this SB was far far closer to actually happening, but nobody talks about it.

Assante Samuel would not have been able to pick that pass offf and come down in bounds. I know a lot of folks always bring that play up but it wasnít even close to being picked off.

My point in using that play as an example was to illustrate how the word "almost" is meaningless in sports.

I guess you guys almost got my point.

buddy33
06-18-2012, 08:36 AM
No, the Patriots where shut out for the finial 26 minutes. That is a fact. They did it as a team. Yes, Eli and the offense did their part, but the defense also did their part by getting the 2nd best offense in the league off the field to give the ball to Eli. Without the defense Eli does not have the chance to run the clock and drive down the field. Without Eli and the the offense driving and and eating time the defense does not have a chance. It's a team sport. No one player won the game.

buffyblue
06-18-2012, 08:40 AM
No, the Patriots where shut out for the finial 26 minutes. That is a fact. They did it as a team. Yes, Eli and the offense did their part, but the defense also did their part by getting the 2nd best offense in the league off the field to give the ball to Eli. Without the defense Eli does not have the chance to run the clock and drive down the field. Without Eli and the the offense driving and and eating time the defense does not have a chance. It's a team sport. No one player won the game.

Without Wes Welker dropping a pass in his hands, the defense is the reason that game is lost because of the blown coverage due to confusion among the ďveteranĒ defensivebacks.

NE Patriots had the ball for 9:22 of the final 26:00. The reason they had it for such a short period of time is because Eli Manning and the offense was able to eat up the clock because it was imperative to keep Tom Brady on the sidelines because our defense is not equiped to hold him.

NE Patriots scored 17 points in 22:00 on NY Giants defense during the entire game. NY Giants offense controlled the ball for 38:00. That is the telling fact.

buddy33
06-18-2012, 08:42 AM
They where shut out for the final 26 minutes. There is no debate.

buffyblue
06-18-2012, 08:47 AM
They where shut out for the final 26 minutes. There is no debate.

They didnít have the ball for the final 26 minutes. They didnít have the ball for 26 minutes the entire game combined. It just really irks you doesnít it? Eli Manning and the offense had to take that game and control the tempo to bail the defense out. That is a clear fact and there is no way for you to dispute it.

buddy33
06-18-2012, 08:57 AM
It's a team sport. The Patriots where shut out by the Giants for the final 26 minutes. It's a fact.

Roswell777
06-18-2012, 11:09 AM
They where shut out for the final 26 minutes. There is no debate.

They didnít have the ball for the final 26 minutes. They didnít have the ball for 26 minutes the entire game combined. It just really irks you doesnít it? Eli Manning and the offense had to take that game and control the tempo to bail the defense out. That is a clear fact and there is no way for you to dispute it.


Your argument that Eli and the offense were the main reason why the Giants won Supe 46 would make a lot more sense if the final score was 49 - 47.

But it wasn't. And that isn't just a result of time of possession. There are a lot of factors at work when a high powered offense is held to 17 points and scoreless over that last 26 minutes. Some of it just might have to do with the defense.

buffyblue
06-18-2012, 12:58 PM
It's a team sport. The Patriots where shut out by the Giants for the final 26 minutes. It's a fact.

No they werenít. NE Patriots were held scoreless for 9:22 of the final 26 minutes because NY Giants controlled TOP for 16:38 of that final 26:00.

That is a fact.

buffyblue
06-18-2012, 01:05 PM
They where shut out for the final 26 minutes. There is no debate.

They didnít have the ball for the final 26 minutes. They didnít have the ball for 26 minutes the entire game combined. It just really irks you doesnít it? Eli Manning and the offense had to take that game and control the tempo to bail the defense out. That is a clear fact and there is no way for you to dispute it.


Your argument that Eli and the offense were the main reason why the Giants won Supe 46 would make a lot more sense if the final score was 49 - 47.

But it wasn't. And that isn't just a result of time of possession. There are a lot of factors at work when a high powered offense is held to 17 points and scoreless over that last 26 minutes. Some of it just might have to do with the defense.

NY Giants are not going to win a 47-46 shhotout against NE Patriots. Our defense is not good enough to win a shootout. The way for NY Giants to beat NE Patriots is to slow the game down and keep Tom Brady on the sidelines as much as possible.

Eli Manning the rest of the offense and ST are the main reason NY Giants won SuperBowl XLVI. Defense made some nice stops at times and had some nice plays. However, Eli Manning and the offense needed to control the clock in order to give that defense a rest when that defense had lost any type of control of the game.

Roswell777
06-18-2012, 01:13 PM
They where shut out for the final 26 minutes. There is no debate.

They didnít have the ball for the final 26 minutes. They didnít have the ball for 26 minutes the entire game combined. It just really irks you doesnít it? Eli Manning and the offense had to take that game and control the tempo to bail the defense out. That is a clear fact and there is no way for you to dispute it.


Your argument that Eli and the offense were the main reason why the Giants won Supe 46 would make a lot more sense if the final score was 49 - 47.

But it wasn't. And that isn't just a result of time of possession. There are a lot of factors at work when a high powered offense is held to 17 points and scoreless over that last 26 minutes. Some of it just might have to do with the defense.

NY Giants are not going to win a 47-46 shhotout against NE Patriots. Our defense is not good enough to win a shootout. The way for NY Giants to beat NE Patriots is to slow the game down and keep Tom Brady on the sidelines as much as possible.

Eli Manning the rest of the offense and ST are the main reason NY Giants won SuperBowl XLVI. Defense made some nice stops at times and had some nice plays. However, Eli Manning and the offense needed to control the clock in order to give that defense a rest when that defense had lost any type of control of the game.

I'm sorry. I don't understand what you mean when you write, "our defense isn't good enough to win a shoot out."

Please explain that to me.

jakegibbs
06-18-2012, 01:43 PM
We are quite lucky that Eli Manning and NY Giants took the time off the clock that they did on the last scoring drive of SuperBowl XLVI.

If Tom Brady and NE Patriots had another 30-40 seconds it is highly likely that they would have scored a TD. Heck, we should be happy the Hail Mary did not make it. I fit did I am sure it would have been forever remembered as a Hail Myra.

There was a reason why there was consideration on not scoring the TD and letting clock run out to attempt field goal. Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

If the shoe was reversed & the Pat's had the ball on that last winning drive they would have ran the clock out & kicked the winning FG with no time left on the clock.

Eli took the Giants 86 yards with 72 seconds on the clock back in 08 SB. I think if the Giants had that to do over again they would have kicked the FG with no time left to play.

Yep I agree we were LUCKY.IMHO anyway but I'll take it every day of the week.

buddy33
06-18-2012, 02:17 PM
No matter how ou would like to word it the Patriots where shut out for the final 26 minutes f the game. They'd did not score any points for the final 26 minutes. That means they where shut out. That is a fact and can not be changed.

As far as TOP, they cold only do that with the defense forcing the Patriots to punt it away or by forcing a TO.

buddy33
06-18-2012, 02:21 PM
Oh, and what game would have any kind of defense in a 47-46 game?

By the way, if not for horrible officiating in the 1st game against Green Bay the Giants would have won in a shoot out.

buffyblue
06-18-2012, 02:26 PM
It's a team sport. The Patriots where shut out by the Giants for the final 26 minutes. It's a fact.

You know what? The defense did come together in the post season and they played exceotionally well and over achieved. They have their problems but they did what they had to in SuperBowl XLVI. I do think that Eli Manning and the offense did help them out a lot by slowing the game down and I really do not want to continue to argue a point just to argue a point although I do bELIeve that Eli Manning did carry the team.

I think we are going to have to improve on defense this year if we want to repeat. I also think we need to improve the running game and the O line too.

Lets Go NY Giants!

Yay NY Giants!
Yay Eli Manning!

Yay Mikey!
Yay Mikey!

buffyblue
06-18-2012, 02:30 PM
Oh, and what game would have any kind of defense in a 47-46 game?

By the way, if not for horrible officiating in the 1st game against Green Bay the Giants would have won in a shoot out.

What kind if defense would there be in a 47-46 game is a good point.

Our defense is not built to be out there for long drives. Our strength is the fast tempo pass rush and the rest of the success our defense is going to have stems from that part of the defense. The defensive line is the only part of the defense last season that can take over the game. We had a lot id injuries and weakness in the secondary and at linebacker.

buddy33
06-18-2012, 02:31 PM
Not sure what all of that meant but yeah, it's a team sport and yeah, Eli is eir MVP.

As far as the defense you yourself said in another thread that they had a lot of injuries. When they where at their healthiest and gelled by the end of the season they where dominant.

buddy33
06-18-2012, 02:34 PM
No team is built to have their defense on the field more than the offense. That is a basic fundamental of football. Very few defenses can manage to get by like that. When the defense shuts the opposing offence down, which they did this post season, it's the offenses job to eat clock and put up points like the Giants did. Like I said, it's a team sport.

Morehead State
06-18-2012, 03:42 PM
They where shut out for the final 26 minutes. There is no debate. They didnít have the ball for the final 26 minutes. They didnít have the ball for 26 minutes the entire game combined. It just really irks you doesnít it? Eli Manning and the offense had to take that game and control the tempo to bail the defense out. That is a clear fact and there is no way for you to dispute it. Your argument that Eli and the offense were the main reason why the Giants won Supe 46 would make a lot more sense if the final score was 49 - 47. But it wasn't. And that isn't just a result of time of possession. There are a lot of factors at work when a high powered offense is held to 17 points and scoreless over that last 26 minutes. Some of it just might have to do with the defense. NY Giants are not going to win a 47-46 shhotout against NE Patriots. Our defense is not good enough to win a shootout. The way for NY Giants to beat NE Patriots is to slow the game down and keep Tom Brady on the sidelines as much as possible. Eli Manning the rest of the offense and ST are the main reason NY Giants won SuperBowl XLVI. Defense made some nice stops at times and had some nice plays. However, Eli Manning and the offense needed to control the clock in order to give that defense a rest when that defense had lost any type of control of the game. I'm sorry. I don't understand what you mean when you write, "our defense isn't good enough to win a shoot out." Please explain that to me.</P>


He doesn't seem to understand that in a shootout, the defense is by definition playing poorly.</P>


The question is always "can the offense win in a shootout". This poster with all his Eli bluster, doesn't seem to think that Eli can win in a shootout.</P>


I actually do.</P>

buffyblue
06-18-2012, 06:23 PM
They where shut out for the final 26 minutes. There is no debate. They didnít have the ball for the final 26 minutes. They didnít have the ball for 26 minutes the entire game combined. It just really irks you doesnít it? Eli Manning and the offense had to take that game and control the tempo to bail the defense out. That is a clear fact and there is no way for you to dispute it. Your argument that Eli and the offense were the main reason why the Giants won Supe 46 would make a lot more sense if the final score was 49 - 47. But it wasn't. And that isn't just a result of time of possession. There are a lot of factors at work when a high powered offense is held to 17 points and scoreless over that last 26 minutes. Some of it just might have to do with the defense. NY Giants are not going to win a 47-46 shhotout against NE Patriots. Our defense is not good enough to win a shootout. The way for NY Giants to beat NE Patriots is to slow the game down and keep Tom Brady on the sidelines as much as possible. Eli Manning the rest of the offense and ST are the main reason NY Giants won SuperBowl XLVI. Defense made some nice stops at times and had some nice plays. However, Eli Manning and the offense needed to control the clock in order to give that defense a rest when that defense had lost any type of control of the game. I'm sorry. I don't understand what you mean when you write, "our defense isn't good enough to win a shoot out." Please explain that to me.</P>


He doesn't seem to understand that in a shootout, the defense is by definition playing poorly.</P>


The question is always "can the offense win in a shootout".* This poster with all his Eli bluster, doesn't seem to think that Eli can win in a shootout.</P>


I actually do.</P>

I have tried to be polite to you brcauae you are older but the grace period for that is over. You are an ignorant punk and an idiot.

You just keep trying to convince yourself that we have a dominant defense. You keep telling yourself that the offense controllong the ball doesn't help the defense. You keep telling yourself that Eli Manning and NY Giants didn't bail defense out. Keep tellong yourself Eli Manning isn't tough. Keep spewing all of your nonsense and maybe eventually you will begin to buy it but nobody else does.

You were way wrong about Eli Manning and you are just not man enough to admit it.

BlueBlooded1979
06-18-2012, 06:35 PM
We are quite lucky that Eli Manning and NY Giants took the time off the clock that they did on the last scoring drive of SuperBowl XLVI.

If Tom Brady and NE Patriots had another 30-40 seconds it is highly likely that they would have scored a TD. Heck, we should be happy the Hail Mary did not make it. I fit did I am sure it would have been forever remembered as a Hail Myra.

There was a reason why there was consideration on not scoring the TD and letting clock run out to attempt field goal. Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

Highly likely ? They needed a TD and they were trying to throw against a 6DB package. It is more likely Brady gets sacked or picked in that situation.

miked1958
06-18-2012, 06:47 PM
We are quite lucky that Eli Manning and NY Giants took the time off the clock that they did on the last scoring drive of SuperBowl XLVI.

If Tom Brady and NE Patriots had another 30-40 seconds it is highly likely that they would have scored a TD. Heck, we should be happy the Hail Mary did not make it. I fit did I am sure it would have been forever remembered as a Hail Myra.

There was a reason why there was consideration on not scoring the TD and letting clock run out to attempt field goal. Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

I'm trying to figure out if this belongs in Smack Talk.
Lol

miked1958
06-18-2012, 06:57 PM
They where shut out for the final 26 minutes. There is no debate. They didnít have the ball for the final 26 minutes. They didnít have the ball for 26 minutes the entire game combined. It just really irks you doesnít it? Eli Manning and the offense had to take that game and control the tempo to bail the defense out. That is a clear fact and there is no way for you to dispute it. Your argument that Eli and the offense were the main reason why the Giants won Supe 46 would make a lot more sense if the final score was 49 - 47. But it wasn't. And that isn't just a result of time of possession. There are a lot of factors at work when a high powered offense is held to 17 points and scoreless over that last 26 minutes. Some of it just might have to do with the defense. NY Giants are not going to win a 47-46 shhotout against NE Patriots. Our defense is not good enough to win a shootout. The way for NY Giants to beat NE Patriots is to slow the game down and keep Tom Brady on the sidelines as much as possible. Eli Manning the rest of the offense and ST are the main reason NY Giants won SuperBowl XLVI. Defense made some nice stops at times and had some nice plays. However, Eli Manning and the offense needed to control the clock in order to give that defense a rest when that defense had lost any type of control of the game. I'm sorry. I don't understand what you mean when you write, "our defense isn't good enough to win a shoot out." Please explain that to me.</P>


He doesn't seem to understand that in a shootout, the defense is by definition playing poorly.</P>


The question is always "can the offense win in a shootout".* This poster with all his Eli bluster, doesn't seem to think that Eli can win in a shootout.</P>


I actually do.</P>

I have tried to be polite to you brcauae you are older but the grace period for that is over. You are an ignorant punk and an idiot.

You just keep trying to convince yourself that we have a dominant defense. You keep telling yourself that the offense controllong the ball doesn't help the defense. You keep telling yourself that Eli Manning and NY Giants didn't bail defense out. Keep tellong yourself Eli Manning isn't tough. Keep spewing all of your nonsense and maybe eventually you will begin to buy it but nobody else does.

You were way wrong about Eli Manning and you are just not man enough to admit it.Sounds like your still bitter over those two SB losses. Get over it. When it's all said and done NE will and BB will have their place in the HOF. No disputing that. However the giants will be no as the one team that was their Kryptonite. Its that simple and everyone knows it. I think deep down you really don't want to see us in another SB for possible revenge. Cause in the back of your mind you know there is a very good possibility you could lose a third to us and that my friend would be to much for you and the NE fanbase to handle

Roswell777
06-18-2012, 07:49 PM
I dont quite get the whole punk and idiot reference as it relates to any of us. We just have a different opinion about this than you do.

But, and i hope this clears it up for you, a shootout usually occurs when both defenses either "take the day off" or both offenses are so on fire that nothing can be done to stop them.

Try not to get personal with people who dont share your opinion on your threads. We're all just fans of the same team.

That being said, I dont know Morehead, lol, and you could be right, but I do know that he is impressed by cheerleaders with thickness.

buffyblue
06-18-2012, 11:12 PM
They where shut out for the final 26 minutes. There is no debate. They didnít have the ball for the final 26 minutes. They didnít have the ball for 26 minutes the entire game combined. It just really irks you doesnít it? Eli Manning and the offense had to take that game and control the tempo to bail the defense out. That is a clear fact and there is no way for you to dispute it. Your argument that Eli and the offense were the main reason why the Giants won Supe 46 would make a lot more sense if the final score was 49 - 47. But it wasn't. And that isn't just a result of time of possession. There are a lot of factors at work when a high powered offense is held to 17 points and scoreless over that last 26 minutes. Some of it just might have to do with the defense. NY Giants are not going to win a 47-46 shhotout against NE Patriots. Our defense is not good enough to win a shootout. The way for NY Giants to beat NE Patriots is to slow the game down and keep Tom Brady on the sidelines as much as possible. Eli Manning the rest of the offense and ST are the main reason NY Giants won SuperBowl XLVI. Defense made some nice stops at times and had some nice plays. However, Eli Manning and the offense needed to control the clock in order to give that defense a rest when that defense had lost any type of control of the game. I'm sorry. I don't understand what you mean when you write, "our defense isn't good enough to win a shoot out." Please explain that to me.</P>


He doesn't seem to understand that in a shootout, the defense is by definition playing poorly.</P>


The question is always "can the offense win in a shootout".* This poster with all his Eli bluster, doesn't seem to think that Eli can win in a shootout.</P>


I actually do.</P>

I have tried to be polite to you brcauae you are older but the grace period for that is over. You are an ignorant punk and an idiot.

You just keep trying to convince yourself that we have a dominant defense. You keep telling yourself that the offense controllong the ball doesn't help the defense. You keep telling yourself that Eli Manning and NY Giants didn't bail defense out. Keep tellong yourself Eli Manning isn't tough. Keep spewing all of your nonsense and maybe eventually you will begin to buy it but nobody else does.

You were way wrong about Eli Manning and you are just not man enough to admit it.Sounds like your still bitter over those two SB losses. Get over it. When it's all said and done NE will and BB will have their place in the HOF. No disputing that. However the giants will be no as the one team that was their Kryptonite. Its that simple and everyone knows it. I think deep down you really don't want to see us in another SB for possible revenge. Cause in the back of your mind you know there is a very good possibility you could lose a third to us and that my friend would be to much for you and the NE fanbase to handle

Why would I be bitter? I am a NY Giants fan.

buffyblue
06-18-2012, 11:13 PM
I dont quite get the whole punk and idiot reference as it relates to any of us. We just have a different opinion about this than you do.

But, and i hope this clears it up for you, a shootout usually occurs when both defenses either "take the day off" or both offenses are so on fire that nothing can be done to stop them.

Try not to get personal with people who dont share your opinion on your threads. We're all just fans of the same team.

That being said, I dont know Morehead, lol, and you could be right, but I do know that he is impressed by cheerleaders with thickness.
gives moorehead to men is the one that got personal with me first.

Morehead State
06-19-2012, 12:10 AM
I dont quite get the whole punk and idiot reference as it relates to any of us. We just have a different opinion about this than you do. But, and i hope this clears it up for you, a shootout usually occurs when both defenses either "take the day off" or both offenses are so on fire that nothing can be done to stop them. Try not to get personal with people who dont share your opinion on your threads. We're all just fans of the same team. That being said, I dont know Morehead, lol, and you could be right, but I do know that he is impressed by cheerleaders with thickness.</P>


I'm actually just impressed by the poster who used that expression. I believe that was burier.</P>


"Cheerleaders with thickness" still cracks me up.</P>

buffyblue
06-19-2012, 12:22 AM
The thicker the berry the sweeter the juice.

Roswell777
06-19-2012, 09:29 AM
See? Now we have all reached common ground. Lol

G-Man67
06-19-2012, 11:33 AM
the Pats had plenty of time to score at the end, they just didn't get it done vs. our D</P>


the D is always at a disadvantage at the end of the game b/c of fatigue and b/c the O has nothing to lose and 4 downs to make a 1st</P>

miked1958
06-20-2012, 06:28 AM
They where shut out for the final 26 minutes. There is no debate. They didnít have the ball for the final 26 minutes. They didnít have the ball for 26 minutes the entire game combined. It just really irks you doesnít it? Eli Manning and the offense had to take that game and control the tempo to bail the defense out. That is a clear fact and there is no way for you to dispute it. Your argument that Eli and the offense were the main reason why the Giants won Supe 46 would make a lot more sense if the final score was 49 - 47. But it wasn't. And that isn't just a result of time of possession. There are a lot of factors at work when a high powered offense is held to 17 points and scoreless over that last 26 minutes. Some of it just might have to do with the defense. NY Giants are not going to win a 47-46 shhotout against NE Patriots. Our defense is not good enough to win a shootout. The way for NY Giants to beat NE Patriots is to slow the game down and keep Tom Brady on the sidelines as much as possible. Eli Manning the rest of the offense and ST are the main reason NY Giants won SuperBowl XLVI. Defense made some nice stops at times and had some nice plays. However, Eli Manning and the offense needed to control the clock in order to give that defense a rest when that defense had lost any type of control of the game. I'm sorry. I don't understand what you mean when you write, "our defense isn't good enough to win a shoot out." Please explain that to me.</P>


He doesn't seem to understand that in a shootout, the defense is by definition playing poorly.</P>


The question is always "can the offense win in a shootout".* This poster with all his Eli bluster, doesn't seem to think that Eli can win in a shootout.</P>


I actually do.</P>

I have tried to be polite to you brcauae you are older but the grace period for that is over. You are an ignorant punk and an idiot.

You just keep trying to convince yourself that we have a dominant defense. You keep telling yourself that the offense controllong the ball doesn't help the defense. You keep telling yourself that Eli Manning and NY Giants didn't bail defense out. Keep tellong yourself Eli Manning isn't tough. Keep spewing all of your nonsense and maybe eventually you will begin to buy it but nobody else does.

You were way wrong about Eli Manning and you are just not man enough to admit it.Sounds like your still bitter over those two SB losses. Get over it. When it's all said and done NE will and BB will have their place in the HOF. No disputing that. However the giants will be no as the one team that was their Kryptonite. Its that simple and everyone knows it. I think deep down you really don't want to see us in another SB for possible revenge. Cause in the back of your mind you know there is a very good possibility you could lose a third to us and that my friend would be to much for you and the NE fanbase to handle

Why would I be bitter? I am a NY Giants fan.Sounds more like a NE fan parading around here as a giants fan.

gumby742
06-20-2012, 11:05 AM
The thicker the berry the sweeter the juice.</P>


hahahahaha</P>

MikeIsaGiant
06-20-2012, 11:10 AM
I love the "almost" people.

Yes in a different universe a ton of different things could have happened.

But in the universe we exist in, they didnt.

Of course KP had a ball go right through his hands on that final drive, but nobody brings that up.

Going back reading all of these comments, I must say this is my favorite.

I agree, these "almost" people are annoying as hell.

yoeddy
06-20-2012, 12:29 PM
We are quite lucky that Eli Manning and NY Giants took the time off the clock that they did on the last scoring drive of SuperBowl XLVI.

If Tom Brady and NE Patriots had another 30-40 seconds it is highly likely that they would have scored a TD. Heck, we should be happy the Hail Mary did not make it. I fit did I am sure it would have been forever remembered as a Hail Myra.

There was a reason why there was consideration on not scoring the TD and letting clock run out to attempt field goal. Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

I would say it was more good execution than luck...

yoeddy
06-20-2012, 12:29 PM
We are quite lucky that Eli Manning and NY Giants took the time off the clock that they did on the last scoring drive of SuperBowl XLVI.

If Tom Brady and NE Patriots had another 30-40 seconds it is highly likely that they would have scored a TD. Heck, we should be happy the Hail Mary did not make it. I fit did I am sure it would have been forever remembered as a Hail Myra.

There was a reason why there was consideration on not scoring the TD and letting clock run out to attempt field goal. Our defense is not to be trusted to hold onto the lead even with under a minute left and the oppossing offense buried at their 12. We are lucky that Eli Manning was able to take time off the clock.

I would say it was more good execution than luck...