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RoanokeFan
06-18-2012, 08:48 AM
WHY GIANTS WAIVED JAKE BALLARD: UNDERSTANDING THE NFL WAIVER WIRE (http://www.giants101.com/2012/06/17/why-new-york-giants-waived-jake-ballard-understanding-the-nfl-waiver-wire/)

"With the NFL (http://www.giants101.com/tag/nfl/) offseason
comes some angst, some withdrawals and the ever-strong frustration that’s born
mostly from complete lack of understanding.


The focused-upon aspect of the business side of New York (http://www.giants101.com/tag/new-york/)
Giants football (http://www.giants101.com/tag/football/) is
just about in the past months: Free Agency, the NFL (http://www.giants101.com/tag/nfl/) Draft, and Team/Player negotiations that lead to a
contract or a departure. It’s not what the fans thought (from the comfort of
their favorite chair) should transpire, but eventually they grow to see the hows
and whys – even if it takes actually seeing how things play out for them to have
clarity.</p>


We’re in an odd part of the offseason where the players and coaches focus on
getting back to game day shape, acclimating with all things football (http://www.giants101.com/tag/football/)
and preparing for that common goal that is the basis for the game itself. The
general managers, however, are still shifting, buying and building. A large part
of the “shifting” includes using National Football (http://www.giants101.com/tag/football/) League Waivers: a system by which a team makes a
player contract or NFL (http://www.giants101.com/tag/nfl/) rights
available to all other teams.</p>


Taking a deeper look into waivers – all 32 teams utilize them as they own the
right to release a certain player without actually, say, cutting him. Once a
team cuts a player, they cut every tie and said player is immediately a free
agent to the rest of the league. With waivers, players who do not have a
recognized minimum amount of experience (four years) playing in the league
aren’t “cut”, but instead placed on the league's “waiver wire”. This waiver wire
allows the other 31 NFL (http://www.giants101.com/tag/nfl/) teams to
claim (or waive) the right to the released player and to then secure him.
Players with more than four years/ experience are considered “vested” and
non-eligible.</p>


Bear in mind here that these waived players must clear the NFL (http://www.giants101.com/tag/nfl/) waiver wire
before becoming a free agent. Once a player is placed on waivers, the other 31
teams have a 10-day period to place that claim on him. The team with the highest
slot in the waiver order is then granted that player. If no team makes an
assertion, that player then becomes an unrestricted free agent and can sign with
any team. The teams’ waiver order is determined by the previous season's final
standings – exactly like the NFL (http://www.giants101.com/tag/nfl/) Draft (without the trade ability). Multiple teams can
stake an interest in a waived player, but the higher-ranked team on the wire
will get their man. Teams have ten days to do so – up until the start of July
through December (considered in-season). Then, that time frame changes to just
one day – 24 hours.</p>


Here are some important side notes:</p>
<ul> If a player is claimed and then released from his new team, he must re-enter
the waiver wire and pretty much begin the process all over again. Players with four or more seasons of league experience immediately become
free agents if released from a team (the non-eligible part). A player who is on an NFL (http://www.giants101.com/tag/nfl/) team's 53-man game roster, injured reserve list (IR)
or physically unable to perform list (PUP) for at least six regular-season games
qualifies for a season's worth of league experience. Interesting one. Players with more than four years’ experience are considered vested veterans
– even midway through the season, and are not subject to the waiver process at
that time (see: non-eligible). It’s just a “cut” at that point. Waiver claims are permanent. NFL (http://www.giants101.com/tag/nfl/) teams are
prohibited from contacting waived players until the player has been released by
their team and after passing waivers.[/list]


Many teams utilize waivers to get players onto Injured Reserve without having
to waste a valuable roster spot at critical times. What recent events have shown
is that there is a degree of risk in doing so with young, talented players.
Teams are basically showing their hand, so to speak, and hoping no one has
better cards (or a spiteful plan).</p>


What’s that old adage? “Without some risk there comes no reward”. Indeed."</p>

JesseJames
06-18-2012, 10:46 AM
it looks to me that the other GMs knew what Reese was trying to do with Ballard and passed on him for their own reasons until it came to Belichek and he was apparently the only GM with a big enough ax to grind to sign Ballard because it was a chance to get back at the Giants. I may be all wrong about this but right now I'm annoyed with Belichek for doing it and if Reese could tell the truth so is he annoyed...

Gimaniac
06-18-2012, 11:17 AM
it looks to me that the other GMs knew what Reese was trying to do with Ballard and passed on him for their own reasons until it came to Belichek and he was apparently the only GM with a big enough ax to grind to sign Ballard because it was a chance to get back at the Giants. I may be all wrong about this but right now I'm annoyed with Belichek for doing it and if Reese could tell the truth so is he annoyed...

You will never know what Reese is thinking, except here:

http://d.yimg.com/a/p/sp/tools/med/2008/09/ipt/1220539227.jpg

TrueBlue@NYC
06-18-2012, 02:04 PM
it looks to me that the other GMs knew what Reese was trying to do with Ballard and passed on him for their own reasons until it came to Belichek and he was apparently the only GM with a big enough ax to grind to sign Ballard because it was a chance to get back at the Giants. I may be all wrong about this but right now I'm annoyed with Belichek for doing it and if Reese could tell the truth so is he annoyed...

BB is one of the shrewdest guys in the league. He was presented with an oppurtunity to potentially upgrade the bottom end of his roster at a position and he took it.

Both Gronk and Hernandez missed time last season, having someone like Ballard (if he plays), a cheap player who's had success is a great back-up plan.

Chances are that he doesn't play thi s year, but if he does then he could help them late in the season.

RoanokeFan
06-18-2012, 02:23 PM
it looks to me that the other GMs knew what Reese was trying to do with Ballard and passed on him for their own reasons until it came to Belichek and he was apparently the only GM with a big enough ax to grind to sign Ballard because it was a chance to get back at the Giants. I may be all wrong about this but right now I'm annoyed with Belichek for doing it and if Reese could tell the truth so is he annoyed...

BB is one of the shrewdest guys in the league. He was presented with an oppurtunity to potentially upgrade the bottom end of his roster at a position and he took it.

Both Gronk and Hernandez missed time last season, having someone like Ballard (if he plays), a cheap player who's had success is a great back-up plan.

Chances are that he doesn't play thi s year, but if he does then he could help them late in the season.

Thank God Ballard hasn't lost any time [;)]

It may prove to be shrewd but I see it as more of a risk for Belichick than Reese. There is NO, ZERO, benefit to the Patriots this season. Jake's injury is serious enough to put into question his future as an NFL player, as we've seen with Steve Smith. By all accounts, it was far more likely that Jake would clear waivers than not.

I think it's more likely Belichick wants to pick Ballard's brain because he keeps losing important games to the GIANTS.

For the GIANTS part, Jake was not going to play this season, he may not play all of next season depending on how his injury rehabs. Between this season and the draft and FA that follows, if TE is still a question mark, Reese will have opportunities to take care of that.

Wen we lost Boss most here were panic stricken. We went with the "next man up" and did well enough to get the brass ring. It's really too early to say of this is going to come back to haunt the GIANTS, but I really doubt it.

FeaglesPuntsEaglesRunts
06-18-2012, 02:28 PM
I'm not too beat up over the loss of Ballard. He wasn't exactly great, Eli made all of his receivers look like all-stars last year. (Not to take anything from Nicks or Cruz, those guys are out of this world talented.)

But Ballard and Manningham def. benefited A LOT from having Nicks, Cruz and Eli on the field at the same time.

FeaglesPuntsEaglesRunts
06-18-2012, 02:31 PM
Belichick isn't stupid. I think we all know damn well he will learn a lot more from studying game tape himself than from picking up Ballard off waivers just to ask him some questions.

The move doesn't make any sense in that way either, the Patriots won't play the Giants for 4 more years. There really is very little chance of both teams making it to the SB at the same time again, let's be honest and factor in the probabilities here.

SEC105
06-18-2012, 02:54 PM
Belichick isn't stupid. I think we all know damn well he will learn a lot more from studying game tape himself than from picking up Ballard off waivers just to ask him some questions.

The move doesn't make any sense in that way either, the Patriots won't play the Giants for 4 more years. There really is very little chance of both teams making it to the SB at the same time again, let's be honest and factor in the probabilities here.


</P>


So what aresome of theories on why BB did pick up Ballard? The one snippet I saw showed TC was pissed off! I agree with what you posted perhaps BB did itfor spite? however he's always shown great respect for his old Giant organization</P>

TrueBlue@NYC
06-18-2012, 03:36 PM
it looks to me that the other GMs knew what Reese was trying to do with Ballard and passed on him for their own reasons until it came to Belichek and he was apparently the only GM with a big enough ax to grind to sign Ballard because it was a chance to get back at the Giants. I may be all wrong about this but right now I'm annoyed with Belichek for doing it and if Reese could tell the truth so is he annoyed... BB is one of the shrewdest guys in the league. He was presented with an oppurtunity to potentially upgrade the bottom end of his roster at a position and he took it. Both Gronk and Hernandez missed time last season, having someone like Ballard (if he plays), a cheap player who's had success is a great back-up plan. Chances are that he doesn't play thi s year, but if he does then he could help them late in the season.

Thank God Ballard hasn't lost any time [;)]

It may prove to be shrewd but I see it as more of a risk for Belichick than Reese. There is NO, ZERO, benefit to the Patriots this season. Jake's injury is serious enough to put into question his future as an NFL player, as we've seen with Steve Smith. By all accounts, it was far more likely that Jake would clear waivers than not.

I think it's more likely Belichick wants to pick Ballard's brain because he keeps losing important games to the GIANTS.

For the GIANTS part, Jake was not going to play this season, he may not play all of next season depending on how his injury rehabs. Between this season and the draft and FA that follows, if TE is still a question mark, Reese will have opportunities to take care of that.

Wen we lost Boss most here were panic stricken. We went with the "next man up" and did well enough to get the brass ring. It's really too early to say of this is going to come back to haunt the GIANTS, but I really doubt it.



</P>


I doubt Ballard is going to tell BB anything about those games that he doesn't already know. And the Giants dont play the Pats this year unless its in the SB again, but by then how much help will Ballard be? He'll have been away from team for a year, so it's not like he'll have current info. </P>


There's no real risk for the Pats, if he ends up playing late in the year, he's a good back-up, at least as a blocking specialist, if he doesn't the Pats are in no worse shape then they are now. </P>


</P>

jomo
06-18-2012, 03:46 PM
Belichick isn't stupid. I think we all know damn well he will learn a lot more from studying game tape himself than from picking up Ballard off waivers just to ask him some questions.

The move doesn't make any sense in that way either, the Patriots won't play the Giants for 4 more years. There really is very little chance of both teams making it to the SB at the same time again, let's be honest and factor in the probabilities here.


</P>


So what aresome of theories on why BB did pick up Ballard? The one snippet I saw showed TC was pissed off! I agree with what you posted perhaps BB did itfor spite? however he's always shown great respect for his old Giant organization</P>BB is a smart man and tying up a roster spot and some cap room just for spite isn't very smart. I think his bet is that he can't find someone with Ballard's abilities and salary situation next year. Given his commitment to the 2 tight end set, he needs multiple players at that position with minimal cap implications. The risk is that Ballard never makes it back to NFL grade health and BB has burned some cap space in the mean time.

SEC105
06-18-2012, 03:51 PM
Belichick isn't stupid. I think we all know damn well he will learn a lot more from studying game tape himself than from picking up Ballard off waivers just to ask him some questions.

The move doesn't make any sense in that way either, the Patriots won't play the Giants for 4 more years. There really is very little chance of both teams making it to the SB at the same time again, let's be honest and factor in the probabilities here.


</P>


So what aresome of theories on why BB did pick up Ballard? The one snippet I saw showed TC was pissed off! I agree with what you posted perhaps BB did itfor spite? however he's always shown great respect for his old Giant organization</P>


BB is a smart man and tying up a roster spot and some cap room just for spite isn't very smart. I think his bet is that he can't find someone with Ballard's abilities and salary situation next year. Given his commitment to the 2 tight end set, he needs multiple players at that position with minimal cap implications. The risk is that Ballard never makes it back to NFL grade health and BB has burned some cap space in the mean time.</P>


Hey Jomo.....how youdoing? Well you're explanation makes alot more sense than what I was thinking when it firsthappened member this episode from "Seinfeld"</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP0MXJAQhmo</P>

JimC
06-18-2012, 03:51 PM
Belichick isn't stupid. I think we all know damn well he will learn a lot more from studying game tape himself than from picking up Ballard off waivers just to ask him some questions.

The move doesn't make any sense in that way either, the Patriots won't play the Giants for 4 more years. There really is very little chance of both teams making it to the SB at the same time again, let's be honest and factor in the probabilities here.


</p>


So what aresome of theories on why BB did pick up Ballard? The one snippet I saw showed TC was pissed off! I agree with what you posted <font size="6">perhaps BB did itfor </font><font color="#0000FF" size="6">spite</font>? however he's always shown great respect for his old Giant organization</p>


Do you realize how silly this sounds?

jomo
06-18-2012, 04:41 PM
Belichick isn't stupid. I think we all know damn well he will learn a lot more from studying game tape himself than from picking up Ballard off waivers just to ask him some questions.

The move doesn't make any sense in that way either, the Patriots won't play the Giants for 4 more years. There really is very little chance of both teams making it to the SB at the same time again, let's be honest and factor in the probabilities here.


</P>


So what aresome of theories on why BB did pick up Ballard? The one snippet I saw showed TC was pissed off! I agree with what you posted perhaps BB did itfor spite? however he's always shown great respect for his old Giant organization</P>


BB is a smart man and tying up a roster spot and some cap room just for spite isn't very smart. I think his bet is that he can't find someone with Ballard's abilities and salary situation next year. Given his commitment to the 2 tight end set, he needs multiple players at that position with minimal cap implications. The risk is that Ballard never makes it back to NFL grade health and BB has burned some cap space in the mean time.</P>


Hey Jomo.....how youdoing? Well you're explanation makes alot more sense than what I was thinking when it firsthappened member this episode from "Seinfeld"</P>


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fP0MXJAQhmo</P>lol, I loved that and most other Seinfeld episodes. I've been good thank you. Great to see you back in the saddle here SEC105. I will be heading to Key West for the first time this fall. Your description only adds to the anticipation.