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appodictic
06-23-2012, 10:14 PM
Beckum stepped up a bit in the play offs. He had 4 catches in SF I think he can step up and I think he has a better chance then Bennet.

King Sully
06-23-2012, 10:33 PM
with all due respect... ehhhh

King Sully
06-23-2012, 10:34 PM
not to mention he tore his acl in the superbowl, not sure if he contributes much this year man.

Flip Empty
06-23-2012, 10:54 PM
ehhhh

JJC7301
06-23-2012, 11:08 PM
Beckum stepped up a bit in the play offs. He had 4 catches in SF I think he can step up and I think he has a better chance then Bennet.

Oh please. If they actually, finally, and intelligently just switched him to WR, then maybe...maybe...he'd actually be more valuable. He is just NOT a TE.

Neverend
06-23-2012, 11:41 PM
I read on the star-ledger beckum actually played in the 220s in college and just added some last minute water weight for the combine to get in a solid 240 (apparently also urinated for 15 minutes or something)

I was stunned reading that. You have to seriously manipulate the way you would traditionally use him to accommodate for his issues

I think his blocking is underrated, in some ways. Ive seen him make some nice knockdowns on some plays as a move blocker. Ok, maybe once... but I think he has some talent. Hes shown some flashes

GMENAGAIN
06-23-2012, 11:43 PM
So you think that he is going to have a break-through season after an ACL surgery???</P>


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THE_New_York_Giants
06-23-2012, 11:46 PM
So you think that he is going to have a break-through season after an ACL surgery???</P>


Hmmmmm</P>

crazier things have happened. Like Hoss leading us to the Super Bowl.

BlueSanta
06-24-2012, 03:35 AM
I think it is his year to be cut.

We wont keep 4 TEs.

Captain Chaos
06-24-2012, 06:43 AM
I read on the star-ledger beckum actually played in the 220s in college and just added some last minute water weight for the combine to get in a solid 240 (apparently also urinated for 15 minutes or something)

I was stunned reading that. You have to seriously manipulate the way you would traditionally use him to accommodate for his issues

I think his blocking is underrated, in some ways. Ive seen him make some nice knockdowns on some plays as a move blocker. Ok, maybe once... but I think he has some talent. Hes shown some flashes

funny...

I think he starts the year on PUP and then they will make a decision. If there is a real need to bring him back they will otherwise they will put him on the disabled list and let him get back to full health....

Toadofsteel
06-24-2012, 08:23 AM
I think it is his year to be cut.

We wont keep 4 TEs.

I think he'll go on IR. Maybe we'll even waive him just to be 100% sure that Belicheck isn't being an overall ******bag. If he does bite again, we can just draft one next season...

888888
06-24-2012, 10:56 AM
He is an H-back...but doesn't Bear have that spot locked up

myles2424
06-24-2012, 11:38 AM
Add sintim & Barden while your at it...

MikeIsaGiant
06-24-2012, 12:17 PM
Doubt it........................

Jobarulz
06-24-2012, 03:55 PM
More like Martellus Bennett's year to break out not being in Witten's shadow anymore.

Bohemian
06-24-2012, 03:56 PM
i really hope that you are right, but it looks very unlikely. It would be great to see him become a significant player.

slipknottin
06-24-2012, 04:51 PM
Ok, some basics here.

TEs come in two forms, either a Y or an F.

Some really special players can do both.

Y TEs are the traditional inline guys, who are generally over 6'4 and 260+ pounds.

F TEs are move players, they can be substantially smaller, under 6'4 and ~240 or so pounds.

Inline TEs will be asked to block defensive linemen, and linebackers quite often, while the move TEs more will be asked to chip and assist in blocks, or to block safetys.

That Beckum is on the smaller side is not a negative, he is an F type TE.

Aaron Hernandez is perhaps the prototype F type in the league right now, and he is 6'1 240 or so.

If you compare proday numbers for Beckum and Hernandez, Beckum is every bit the athlete that Hernandez is.

But Hernandez knows how to set defenders up and find openings in the defense. Similar to how Ballard found open spots.

I would argue most of Beckum's struggles if not the vast majority of them are mental. He doesnt particularly suffer from dropped passes or wrong routes, but he does not seem to know how to get open and use his body to shield the ball and give himself room to make the catch.

Maybe his added weight will give him the confidence he needs to develop further. But I am very hesitant to think everything will just click in his head and he will become a dynamic player.

Eli TO Shockey
06-24-2012, 06:32 PM
It would be nice, but highly doubtful. hes not a TE

Drez
06-24-2012, 06:53 PM
He is an H-back...but doesn't Bear have that spot locked up
No, because Bear isn't an H-back. He had been splitting time between being a traditional FB and a traditional TE, which of course has made him not very good at either.

MattMeyerBud
06-25-2012, 11:59 AM
Beckum stepped up a bit in the play offs. He had 4 catches in SF I think he can step up and I think he has a better chance then Bennet.
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can we stop it wtih this guy already. If he does something, well then YEAYYYYYY!!!, but when he doesn't can we just come to expect it. I have higher hopes for Barden than i do for him</P>

thomsoad
06-25-2012, 12:52 PM
Beckum stepped up a bit in the play offs. He had 4 catches in SF I think he can step up and I think he has a better chance then Bennet.
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I have higher hopes for Barden than i do for him</P>

Thats so sad...and even sadder cuz its true.

The idea of Beckum having a great year after a ACL injury after a year when Ballard overtook him when the reigns were all but handed to Beckum on a silver platter pretty much sums up my expectations.

Joe Morrison
06-25-2012, 01:07 PM
Beckum stepped up a bit in the play offs. He had 4 catches in SF I think he can step up and I think he has a better chance then Bennet.
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Thats so sad...and even sadder cuz its true. The idea of Beckum having a great year after a ACL injury after a year when Ballard overtook him when the reigns were all but handed to Beckum on a silver platter pretty much sums up my expectations.</P>


Coming off that injury and has done nothing exciting to date makes me wonder the title of this thread, must be his little sister or his mom!</P>

appodictic
06-26-2012, 10:00 PM
http://www.giantsfootballblog.com/2012/06/25/nfc-east-blog-giants-not-locked-into-bennett/

I just think ^ is a joke. That leaves us with beckum and ... patrick willis.

jomo
06-26-2012, 10:54 PM
He can't move Ronald McDonald off the line, how's this gonna be his year?

Joe Morrison
06-27-2012, 05:13 PM
He can't move Ronald McDonald off the line, how's this gonna be his year?</P>


True, blocking #1 in Gilbrides offense for the Tight End and he hasn't shown he can move either you or me off the line!</P>


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slipknottin
06-27-2012, 05:17 PM
He can't move Ronald McDonald off the line, how's this gonna be his year?

he doesnt need to. Neither does Aaron Hernandez. He needs to be a matchup problem for safetys and linebackers.

buddy33
06-27-2012, 05:24 PM
Coming off an ACL tear this will be his season? I'm pulling for the guy but there is a chance he plays less than last year. ACL injuries take time to come back from and he just had his a half a year ago.

MattMeyerBud
06-28-2012, 09:35 AM
He can't move Ronald McDonald off the line, how's this gonna be his year? he doesnt need to. Neither does Aaron Hernandez. He needs to be a matchup problem for safetys and linebackers.</P>


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and did u just compare the roles of tight ends in our offense to the roles of TEs in NE's offense?</P>


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thomsoad
06-28-2012, 09:47 AM
He can't move Ronald McDonald off the line, how's this gonna be his year?

he doesnt need to. Neither does Aaron Hernandez. He needs to be a matchup problem for safetys and linebackers.

I was gonna put down something really sarcastic til i saw Slip was the person who posted the comment about a TE for KG not really needing to block very well.

So im simply just gonna say ...wow Slip ... just wow. This is like a physics professor messing up the formula for gravity.

lawl
06-28-2012, 09:52 AM
He wasn't drafted to block. They had a role envisioned for him to combat the winds in the meadowlands. Something like this is what Reese said after drafting him.

He just wasn't good enough to justify putting onto the field to fulfill this role

thomsoad
06-28-2012, 09:58 AM
He wasn't drafted to block. They had a role envisioned for him to combat the winds in the meadowlands. Something like this is what Reese said after drafting him.

He just wasn't good enough to justify putting onto the field to fulfill this role

If this is true then Beckum had to be envisioned as an H back or a 3rd down/ST specialist. I just cannot see KG using a non blocking TE in his offense.... i just cant.

Morehead State
06-28-2012, 09:59 AM
He can't move Ronald McDonald off the line, how's this gonna be his year? he doesnt need to. Neither does Aaron Hernandez. He needs to be a matchup problem for safetys and linebackers. I was gonna put down something really sarcastic til i saw Slip was the person who posted the comment about a TE for KG not really needing to block very well. So im simply just gonna say ...wow Slip ... just wow. This is like a physics professor messing up the formula for gravity.</P>


There's a formula for gravity?</P>


I thought the Physics community were still at odds about what gravity really is.</P>


Oops! Off topic.</P>

lawl
06-28-2012, 10:01 AM
He wasn't drafted to block. They had a role envisioned for him to combat the winds in the meadowlands. Something like this is what Reese said after drafting him.

He just wasn't good enough to justify putting onto the field to fulfill this role

If this is true then Beckum had to be envisioned as an H back or a 3rd down/ST specialist. I just cannot see KG using a non blocking TE in his offense.... i just cant.

if I wasnt on my phone, I'd scour the internet for a link.

craigjr007
06-28-2012, 10:30 AM
i think i just vomited in my mouth

thomsoad
06-28-2012, 11:04 AM
He wasn't drafted to block. They had a role envisioned for him to combat the winds in the meadowlands. Something like this is what Reese said after drafting him.

He just wasn't good enough to justify putting onto the field to fulfill this role

If this is true then Beckum had to be envisioned as an H back or a 3rd down/ST specialist. I just cannot see KG using a non blocking TE in his offense.... i just cant.

if I wasnt on my phone, I'd scour the internet for a link.

I did some looking and you are correct that Reese saw him as a pass catcher. But makes no mention of him being a TE. Looks to me like Reese chose him as a hybrid/versatile kind of guy...with no real position. I could be wrong, but its the impression I am getting.

burier
06-28-2012, 01:25 PM
Random.

slipknottin
06-28-2012, 04:28 PM
I was gonna put down something really sarcastic til i saw Slip was the person who posted the comment about a TE for KG not really needing to block very well.

read my post earlier in this thread.

Move TEs like Beckum do not need to be great inline blockers.

thomsoad
06-28-2012, 04:50 PM
I was gonna put down something really sarcastic til i saw Slip was the person who posted the comment about a TE for KG not really needing to block very well.

read my post earlier in this thread.

Move TEs like Beckum do not need to be great inline blockers.

I missed that post....and that makes more sense. For a while there i thought your account got hacked by a Jets fan or something. :D

giantsfan39
06-28-2012, 05:43 PM
I was gonna put down something really sarcastic til i saw Slip was the person who posted the comment about a TE for KG not really needing to block very well.

read my post earlier in this thread.

Move TEs like Beckum do not need to be great inline blockers.

Yes he doesn't need to know how to block if he is essentially just going to be a WR. The problem is we have had good WRs the past few years and there is no reason to take a WR off the field and put Beckum in or pass to an open Beckum over an open WR. And I predict the same thing happens this year. I think Randle becomes a decent #3 and once again Nicks, Cruz, Randle and probably even Hixon will be better pass catching options. And with traditional TEs you have the advantage of the defense not knowing if they are in for blocking or to run a route. And Beckum isn't special like Vernon Davis or Jimmy Graham whose receiving skills, speed and size justify passing to them over WRs.

He would probably be best used as a slot WR the way Aaron Hernandez is and we have had Smith and Cruz in those positions the last three years. He doesn't have a role on this team. I think he will eventually find a team which can use him in the slot. It is not that Coughlin isn't using him properly but I think using him properly would involve moving a better player to another spot or off the field.

slipknottin
06-28-2012, 07:29 PM
>Yes he doesn't need to know how to block if he is essentially just going to be a WR.

he is not "essentially just going to be a WR".

How many WRs are 240+ pounds? None. Maybe Calvin Johnson, who is a total freak anyway.

Is Aaron Hernandez "just a WR"? Or he is a move TE?

jomo
06-28-2012, 07:59 PM
&gt;Yes he doesn't need to know how to block if he is essentially just going to be a WR. he is not "essentially just going to be a WR". How many WRs are 240+ pounds? None. Maybe Calvin Johnson, who is a total freak anyway. Is Aaron Hernandez "just a WR"? Or he is a move TE?He lacks the "essential" athleticism to be a WR and that was before the acl.He is useful at TE as a surprise optionwhen we catch the defense in a mismatch with the wrong LB on him. No more than 50/50 chance that he makes the final roster.

slipknottin
06-29-2012, 04:55 PM
No more than 50/50 chance that he makes the final roster.

I agree completely. I just disagree with the idea that Beckum is no good because he isnt a good inline blocker. His issue is he doesnt win in the passing game.

If he could get open against LBs and safetys and could overmatch CBs with his size then whatever "blocking issues" Beckum has would not be a factor at all.

BK07071
06-29-2012, 10:17 PM
Beckum stepped up a bit in the play offs. He had 4 catches in SF I think he can step up and I think he has a better chance then Bennet.

Beckum will be lucky if he makes the team this year. He's hurt more often than not. He really hasn't shown much since he's been with the team and I don't expect to see much from him either.