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RoanokeFan
07-02-2012, 02:16 PM
CORNERBACK RATINGS: GIANTS CHECK IN AT # 11 (http://www.bigblueview.com/2012/7/2/3132134/cornerback-rankings-new-york-giants-corey-wbester-terrell-thomas-prince-amukamara)

"Our friends at SBNation.com have put together a list ranking <a href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2012/7/2/3127990/jets-ravens-nfl-cornerbacks">which
NFL teams have the league's best cornerbacks</a>. Let's discuss.


SBNation.com places the New York Giants (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-york-giants) No.
11 on its list of the league's 32 corrnerback groups. I have zero problem with
that, really. Corey Webster (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2266/corey-webster)
is very good, but probably not a guy you would call a 'shutdown' corner. There
is reason to be optimistic about everyone else in the group, yet also questions
about each player.</p>


Look at the rest of the list, though. Do the <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/philadelphia-eagles">Philadelphia
Eagles</a> really belong at No. 3, even with the writer admitting that the
Eagles secondary "underwhelmed" a season ago? How do you feel about the Dallas Cowboys (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/dallas-cowboys) being
No. 4?</p>
On the flip side, it's pretty hard to argue with the New York Jets (http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/teams/new-york-jets) at No.
1. Love them or hate them, you have to be willing to admit how good <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/1262/darrelle-revis">Darrelle
Revis</a> is. <a class="sbn-auto-link" href="http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/players/2984/antonio-cromartie">Antonio
Cromartie</a> would be the best corner on a lot of teams around the league, as
well."

Ntegrase96
07-02-2012, 03:58 PM
Dallas is too high right now, although I could see them being top 5 later this year.

Claiborne hasn't proven anything yet, but I believe he will be a very tough corner in the NFL.

Jenkins and Carr would make a great duo should Jenkins stay and Orlando Scandrick is very good in the slot, but not many other places.

If Claiborne plays up to the level he's capable of, Dallas has 4 solid corners young corners.

Mercury
07-02-2012, 03:59 PM
Corey Webster is severely underrated by anyone who does not think he is shutdown. He shutdown just about everyone last year he played against. Keep in mind every CB gets beat once in a while, even Revis. Steve Johnson abused Revis last year. Meanwhile, CW shut Johnson down when we played the Bills. And no, I am not saying CW is better than Revis. I'm just saying he is definitely a shutdown CB.

As far as #11 goes, that's hard to assess, since we lost Ross and don't know how TT will do coming back from injury. But, I don't think you should anoint the Boys at #4 just because they traded up to pick a rookie CB. The boys did that because we abused their CBs last year. We made Newman look absolutely silly out there. And I won't be surprised if in game one, we make the rookie look lost, too. He is a rookie after all.

MikeIsaGiant
07-02-2012, 04:02 PM
Corey Webster is severely underrated by anyone who does not think he is shutdown.* He shutdown just about everyone last year he played against.* Keep in mind every CB gets beat once in a while, even Revis.* Steve Johnson abused Revis last year.* Meanwhile, CW shut Johnson down when we played the Bills.* And no, I am not saying CW is better than Revis.* I'm just saying he is definitely a shutdown CB.

As far as #11 goes, that's hard to assess, since we lost Ross and don't know how TT will do coming back from injury.* But, I don't think you should anoint the Boys at #4 just because they traded up to pick a rookie CB.* The boys did that because we abused their CBs last year.* We made Newman look absolutely silly out there.* And I won't be surprised if in game one, we make the rookie look lost, too.* He is a rookie after all.



+1

GMENAGAIN
07-02-2012, 04:03 PM
Corey Webster is severely underrated by anyone who does not think he is shutdown. He shutdown just about everyone last year he played against. Keep in mind every CB gets beat once in a while, even Revis. Steve Johnson abused Revis last year. Meanwhile, CW shut Johnson down when we played the Bills. And no, I am not saying CW is better than Revis. I'm just saying he is definitely a shutdown CB.

As far as #11 goes, that's hard to assess, since we lost Ross and don't know how TT will do coming back from injury. But, I don't think you should anoint the Boys at #4 just because they traded up to pick a rookie CB. The boys did that because we abused their CBs last year. We made Newman look absolutely silly out there. And I won't be surprised if in game one, we make the rookie look lost, too. He is a rookie after all.
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+2</P>

THE_New_York_Giants
07-02-2012, 04:04 PM
I don't understand Dallas at number 3... They sucked last year and they have an unproven rookie and Brandon Carr who has the stats but gives up a lot of receptions.

THE_New_York_Giants
07-02-2012, 04:10 PM
Dallas is too high right now, although I could see them being top 5 later this year.

Claiborne hasn't proven anything yet, but I believe he will be a very tough corner in the NFL.

Jenkins and Carr would make a great duo should Jenkins stay and Orlando Scandrick is very good in the slot, but not many other places.

If Claiborne plays up to the level he's capable of, Dallas has 4 solid corners young corners.

May they continue to get toasted by Eli, Nicks, and Cruz for many many many years to come! Just another year of mediocrity from the cowpoops.

Rudyy
07-02-2012, 04:21 PM
Cowboys at 4? LOL should we bring up the highlights of Cruz and Nick flying past their defense? Or Hynoski jumping over Newman? Is this a list of corner tandems going into the 2012 season?

Martyr
07-02-2012, 04:52 PM
Cowboys at 4? LOL should we bring up the highlights of Cruz and Nick flying past their defense? Or Hynoski jumping over Newman? Is this a list of corner tandems going into the 2012 season?</P>


Those players are long gone</P>

buddy33
07-02-2012, 04:57 PM
Lol. So Dallas has a great secondary now because of FA signing and a draft pick? Did they forget the Gianys drafted a stud CB last year that played every well in the post season even though he missed most of his rookie season. Team him up with Webster and I think the Giants will have a ver good secondary.

Ntegrase96
07-02-2012, 05:37 PM
Corey Webster is severely underrated by anyone who does not think he is shutdown.* He shutdown just about everyone last year he played against.* Keep in mind every CB gets beat once in a while, even Revis.* Steve Johnson abused Revis last year.* Meanwhile, CW shut Johnson down when we played the Bills.* And no, I am not saying CW is better than Revis.* I'm just saying he is definitely a shutdown CB.

As far as #11 goes, that's hard to assess, since we lost Ross and don't know how TT will do coming back from injury.* But, I don't think you should anoint the Boys at #4 just because they traded up to pick a rookie CB.* The boys did that because we abused their CBs last year.* We made Newman look absolutely silly out there.* And I won't be surprised if in game one, we make the rookie look lost, too.* He is a rookie after all.


Corey Webster is overrated on this board, probably in part to his stellar 2007 playoff run and 2008 season. He's a lot like Jabari Greer in that regard.

Also like Jabari Greer, he was one of the most targeted cornerbacks last year and gave up close to a 60% completion ratio.

Don't get me wrong. He's a good CB, but he's not close to the top of the top by any means. He was a couple of years ago, but after a putrid 2009 season, he hasn't been anything close to a shut down corner.

Ntegrase96
07-02-2012, 05:42 PM
I don't understand Dallas at number 3... They sucked last year and they have an unproven rookie and Brandon Carr who has the stats but gives up a lot of receptions.

Carr really doesn't give up many receptions at all. That may be in part to his poor division, but he also held his own against Calvin Johnson and against GB's passing attack.

JesseJames
07-02-2012, 05:47 PM
I don't understand Dallas at number 3... They sucked last year and they have an unproven rookie and Brandon Carr who has the stats but gives up a lot of receptions. since the sports media seems to love loving the Cowboys and considers it the IN thing to do I understand them picking the Cowboys up that high...incidentally isn't most of that love for the Cowboys based on what they used to do and not what they do now...

greenca190
07-02-2012, 05:54 PM
I don't understand Dallas at number 3... They sucked last year and they have an unproven rookie and Brandon Carr who has the stats but gives up a lot of receptions.

Carr really doesn't give up many receptions at all. That may be in part to his poor division, but he also held his own against Calvin Johnson and against GB's passing attack.

The Eagles signed a pretty good cornerback for last season who ended up stinking it up. Remember him?

Anyways. We have no idea what the Cowboys secondary is going to look like, how they will perform, etc. We can say that Brandon Carr could play like he did last year for the Chiefs, but he is going to an entirely new system. Claiborne is going to an entirely new system and league.

I find it difficult to be able to say that the cowboys have the third best secondary in the league when we have yet to even see the two guys who will most likely start for them play for them.

Ntegrase96
07-02-2012, 06:08 PM
I don't understand Dallas at number 3... They sucked last year and they have an unproven rookie and Brandon Carr who has the stats but gives up a lot of receptions.

Carr really doesn't give up many receptions at all. That may be in part to his poor division, but he also held his own against Calvin Johnson and against GB's passing attack.

The Eagles signed a pretty good cornerback for last season who ended up stinking it up. Remember him?

Anyways. We have no idea what the Cowboys secondary is going to look like, how they will perform, etc. We can say that Brandon Carr could play like he did last year for the Chiefs, but he is going to an entirely new system. Claiborne is going to an entirely new system and league.

I find it difficult to be able to say that the cowboys have the third best secondary in the league when we have yet to even see the two guys who will most likely start for them play for them.

Aso was completely embarrassed a few times last year, but overall didn't have a bad season.

And yes, I agree with you (read above)

Rudyy
07-02-2012, 06:44 PM
Cowboys at 4? LOL should we bring up the highlights of Cruz and Nick flying past their defense? Or Hynoski jumping over Newman? Is this a list of corner tandems going into the 2012 season?</P>


Those players are long gone</P> So this is a list of tandems going into 2012 I suppose.

Still, it's ridiculous.

Drez
07-02-2012, 10:09 PM
Also like Jabari Greer, he was one of the most targeted cornerbacks last year and gave up close to a 60% completion ratio.
Do you have a link to that info?

He scored in the top of most metrics in 2010 and seemed to have played even better last season. I can't seem to find the link for the 2010 metrics and I can't remember if it was off of PFF or FO, lol.

Ntegrase96
07-02-2012, 10:50 PM
Also like Jabari Greer, he was one of the most targeted cornerbacks last year and gave up close to a 60% completion ratio.
Do you have a link to that info?

He scored in the top of most metrics in 2010 and seemed to have played even better last season. I can't seem to find the link for the 2010 metrics and I can't remember if it was off of PFF or FO, lol.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/12/cornerbacks-a-glance-at-the-2011-numbers/.

Don't know if that shows up as clickable but it's a brief free article about cornerbacks from last year. I don't have the complete stats of websters career... Most of it is from memory.

Breezely
07-02-2012, 10:54 PM
11. New York Giants

Best Player: Corey Webster

Webster had a career-high six interceptions last year. With Terrell Thomas back in the fold this season, the Giants have a good pair of starters at corner. Prince Amukamara, last year's first-round pick, was still struggling with the foot he broke in training camp last year, but he did manage to get back on the field late in his rookie season. A positive marijuana test made Jayron Hosley a value pick in the third round, and he could be in the mix later in the season.//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////


They gave the Giants alot of love. Finally!!! I see the same thing with this unit. However, there is something that I am counting on to make this unit better . . . . "NASCAR".

THE_New_York_Giants
07-02-2012, 10:58 PM
I don't understand Dallas at number 3... They sucked last year and they have an unproven rookie and Brandon Carr who has the stats but gives up a lot of receptions.

Carr really doesn't give up many receptions at all. That may be in part to his poor division, but he also held his own against Calvin Johnson and against GB's passing attack.

The Eagles signed a pretty good cornerback for last season who ended up stinking it up. Remember him?

Anyways. We have no idea what the Cowboys secondary is going to look like, how they will perform, etc. We can say that Brandon Carr could play like he did last year for the Chiefs, but he is going to an entirely new system. Claiborne is going to an entirely new system and league.

I find it difficult to be able to say that the cowboys have the third best secondary in the league when we have yet to even see the two guys who will most likely start for them play for them.

Aso was completely embarrassed a few times last year, but overall didn't have a bad season.

And yes, I agree with you (read above)

It doesnt matter. Next year when the cowpatties don't make the playoffs and Eli raises his third lombardi trophy, the doubt will start all over again.

Drez
07-02-2012, 11:30 PM
Also like Jabari Greer, he was one of the most targeted cornerbacks last year and gave up close to a 60% completion ratio.
Do you have a link to that info?

He scored in the top of most metrics in 2010 and seemed to have played even better last season. I can't seem to find the link for the 2010 metrics and I can't remember if it was off of PFF or FO, lol.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/12/cornerbacks-a-glance-at-the-2011-numbers/.

Don't know if that shows up as clickable but it's a brief free article about cornerbacks from last year. I don't have the complete stats of websters career... Most of it is from memory.
I'm very surprised his targets were that high last season, however, his completion percentage puts him somewhere in the middle of the pack at 56%. Figure the 10th best corner had a 49% and some change comp%.

Captain Chaos
07-03-2012, 05:58 AM
Typical, they rated Philly's DE's #1 and G'men #9, so at 11 I don't feel so bad. If our D Line plays solid and LB;s improve our Secondary will be stout enough to carry the day. Let them continue to underestimate their ability. I am looking forward to the D making things happen this year.

Ntegrase96
07-03-2012, 10:50 AM
Also like Jabari Greer, he was one of the most targeted cornerbacks last year and gave up close to a 60% completion ratio.
Do you have a link to that info?

He scored in the top of most metrics in 2010 and seemed to have played even better last season. I can't seem to find the link for the 2010 metrics and I can't remember if it was off of PFF or FO, lol.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/12/cornerbacks-a-glance-at-the-2011-numbers/.

Don't know if that shows up as clickable but it's a brief free article about cornerbacks from last year. I don't have the complete stats of websters career... Most of it is from memory.
I'm very surprised his targets were that high last season, however, his completion percentage puts him somewhere in the middle of the pack at 56%. Figure the 10th best corner had a 49% and some change comp%.


It surprised me a bit as well, but not too much.

56% completion isn't god awful, but the 56% coupled with such a high number of targets and receptions given up isn't good.

Terrell Thomas was out so Webster should have been the best CB on the field (and by all accounts he was when you compare him to Aaron Ross).

But even with hapless Aaron Ross on the other side, Webster was targeted like crazy, QBs were willing to go at him and go at him frequently. To me, that says his coverage wasn't tight.

Webster's saving grace may be that he's taken more snaps than other CBs due to the injuries with other Giants CBs, but I kind of doubt that's whats going on in this situation.

BeatYale
07-03-2012, 12:42 PM
We were 3rd in the league in sacks. I'm pretty sure we also rank very high in pressuring the QB (no sacks, but hurried throws).

A good pass rush can act as a crutch for our secondary. With that said, how would our CB's rank if our pass rush wasn't so great?

Mercury
07-03-2012, 12:47 PM
Keep in mind we faced a lot of good teams last year in a prolific passing season. That kind of skews things stat wise.

giantsfan39
07-03-2012, 02:36 PM
Shutdown is a term being thrown around very loosely around here. Webster is not a shutdown corner.